Military Review

The Ministry of Defense proposes to make contract servicemen out of "partisans"

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The Ministry of Defense has finally begun to modernize the reserve of its armed forces. After all, the reserve is the main source of the combat units redeployment in wartime, and also new units can be formed from the reserve during mobilization deployment.

Since Soviet times, the defense ministry has constantly had problems with maintaining a reserve in constant combat readiness. In rare training camps, current officers without tears could not look at reservists undergoing training. Complete and awkward guys who have long forgotten how to handle weaponspulling on his military uniform, they looked more like partisans than regular military personnel. These “partisans” during the course of their studies were a headache for their commanders, since they only cared where they could find alcohol and get the most out of their family worries. And everyone understood that this horde would hardly be able to recruit, if necessary, a warhead.

Not having established order with the recruitment of contract servicemen to the regular army, the General Staff was concerned with the introduction of a contract service in reserve. Until the bill came out of the depths of the defense department. The details of this initiative legislative act are not fully known. But in general terms, the algorithm is as follows: all soldiers who have served and officers will be asked to sign an agreement on service in the reserve. Contract reservists will be required several times a year to become a military system, leaving the family and work. For this constant readiness for military service, the reserve reservist is scheduled to pay a certain reward. This payment will not depend on the earnings of a reservist in a civilian place of work. But if there is a payment for the service, then it will be possible to ask from the vault in full: for the “beer” tummy and poor physical fitness, for not knowing the material part of the weaponry and the lack of skills in owning modern weapons, etc. The General Staff plans to introduce the institute of contract soldiers in reserve by the year 2016. But this can happen only after the necessary legislative framework has been prepared and adopted to ensure the implementation of the General Staff project.

According to military experts, the idea of ​​turning the "partisans" into a really trained mobilization reserve is very attractive. In this case, the reserve will not consist of officers and soldiers of the reserve, who have long lost all military skills, but of trained specialists for manning combat units. Now the number of Russian armed forces is approximately one million people. In wartime, it is necessary to increase the staff by about a third. The trained reservists will be the source for completing the combat units. According to approximate calculations, reserve contract servicemen should be at least 300 thousand.

According to the project developers, it will be possible to attract smart, healthy, educated specialists who can cope with sophisticated equipment, weapon systems and electronic complexes to conclude a contract.

According to forecasts, contract servicemen will be paid from 8 to 10 to thousand rubles for being in reserve. For a young man who receives a salary at the main place of work, such additional earnings will not be superfluous. Recently, the military department offered contract employees the same wage. But the contractors had no right to have other sources of income. Partly because of low pay, the army’s transition to a contract-based program failed.

Head of the General Staff V.Glotov believes that the formation of reservists may begin this year. According to him, volunteers who agree to conclude a contract with the Ministry of Defense will be involved in the recruitment of military units in their military accounting profession, as well as undertake to participate in the training camp and undergo military training. The financing scheme for such a service includes the payment of a monthly salary taking into account district coefficients and interest for the length of time in the reserve. Additionally, the reserve will be paid a lump sum at the conclusion of a new contract.

But before this project is launched in the armed forces, military officials plan to “run in” it in the motorized rifle units of the Land Force in two stages.

At the first stage no more than 5 thousand reservists will be attracted by contract, and at the second their number will be reached by 8600 people.

By the end of 2013, the plans of the General Staff to form a brigade of professional reservists, and within a year and a half, the Russian army will be replenished with two similar units. Established "guerrillas" will be involved by the defense ministry not only during a military threat and in training exercises, but also during the elimination of natural disasters.

Note that the transfer of the "partisan" to a contractual basis received legislative support in the form of a federal law, which entered into force on January 2013. This legislative act sets forth a general procedure for creating a “second front” for Russian law enforcement agencies. But the details of this project are still under consideration by the Minister of Defense.

The initiators of the bill on reservists themselves do not fully know all the pitfalls that may appear in the process of project implementation. For example, frequent and possibly unexpected employee absences clearly do not like employers. And the loss of work cannot be compensated for such a small amount as payment for being in reserve. Restricting travel abroad will also become a mandatory procedure for a reservist. Adventure can be called the idea of ​​attracting foreigners to reservists. Paying for a service does not tempt them, and Russian citizenship is unlikely to deceive them. Only in an inflamed brain can one imagine a situation in which some John Rambo will join the Russian army (he alone will be able to replace the work of the sabotage detachment in the rear of the enemy). An opinion is being created that the officers of the General Staff have too simplified a solution for themselves, a task that is really topical for the defense of the country. And by this they can destroy a good idea for reforming the mobilization resource.

Time will tell how much the Russian military think tank has developed a real strategy - the General Staff for solving the issue of creating a professional and combat-ready reserve.

Materials used:
http://www.rg.ru/2013/03/21/rezerv-site.html
http://army-news.ru/2010/11/minoborony-pozovyot-rossiyan-v-partizany/
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  1. Son
    Son 27 March 2013 08: 20 New
    +3
    I don’t know, I don’t know ... Under the Union, "turned around" twice ... Well, they drank vodka ... And what ..? In general, I do not know how it is now, but then there were no problems with them.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 27 March 2013 11: 26 New
      +6
      Now the number of Russian armed forces is approximately one million people. In wartime, it is necessary to increase the staff by about a third.

      After such a further sense to overpower with the brain or dull vision about the information in this article has lost all meaning.

      And everyone perfectly understood that this horde is unlikely to be able to equip, if necessary, the warhead.
      Only these men who have behind their families and will defend their homeland.
      And about the fact that they thump at the training camp, it’s not their fault, but the MO for the “wonderful” organization of the training camp.
      And "Contractor-Partizan" is with Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol in "Dead Souls" crystal clear is described. hi
      1. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 28 March 2013 07: 08 New
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        And, excuse me, why the heck was almost the entire mobility of the country to collapse? so now to portray these legislative attempts?
  2. Dmitry_2013
    Dmitry_2013 27 March 2013 08: 32 New
    +1
    For example, frequent and possibly unexpected absenteeism of an employee is clearly not going to appeal to employers. And the loss of work cannot be compensated by such an insignificant amount as payment for being in the reserve. Restricting travel abroad will also become a mandatory procedure for the reservist.

    Yes, in general, which employer will agree to this. Here it is necessary either by order, or they will not let anyone go.
    What is the restriction of traveling abroad? no
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 09: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry_2013
      What is the restriction of traveling abroad?

      This is probably for those who were brought to the information constituting state secrets of the SS and OV.

      Quote: Dmitry_2013
      Here it is necessary either by order, or they will not let anyone go.

      Not in the order, but in the legislative. Laws will be executed. Another thing is that the employer can raise the question with an edge - either a contract for the reserve, or you work for me!
      1. Dmitry_2013
        Dmitry_2013 27 March 2013 11: 10 New
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        You can also understand the employer ... We have a small company of about 50 people and reserve officers 5, for sure, + sergeants ...
        That's what it will be like when a person 5-10 goes for monthly fees ... trouble ...
        Worse than women on maternity leave laughing all at once wink
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 12: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Dmitry_2013
          all at once

          We are talking only about who will conclude a contract with the Moscow Region.
          Are all your employees in such a slender crowd and rush to the reserve?
  3. Russian
    Russian 27 March 2013 08: 34 New
    +3
    In the end, the conclusions are absolutely correct, under our capitalist system, the employer will clearly not be delighted with such absenteeism, and the figure of 8-10 thousand is extremely low.
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 27 March 2013 08: 56 New
      +1
      The idea is timely, it is necessary to prepare partisans, aggression is just around the corner, and it’s time to move away from capitalism. It is not for nothing that the Chinese comrades came. Comrade Stalin was right ...
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 09: 39 New
      0
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      the figure in 8-10 thousand is extremely low

      Nothing demoralizes a person like a small but steady income.
      In addition, as before, during the training camp they will compensate for the average earnings.
    3. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 27 March 2013 14: 33 New
      0
      8-10 thousand for the hinterland - a normal figure, for many it is a good help. Like it or not, it's better than calling you for free
      1. ultra
        ultra 27 March 2013 18: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Vrungel78
        8-10 thousand for the hinterland - a normal figure,
        I don’t know what to say, if a week, it can do it! hi
        1. Explore
          Explore 27 March 2013 21: 41 New
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          They said the same in the outback.
          In the provincial town of N * (40 thousand people), the average salary of an unskilled worker in enterprises is 7-15 thousand per month. Qualified (including a doctor or school teacher) - 15-25 thousand
    4. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 27 March 2013 14: 39 New
      0
      8-10 thousand for the hinterland - a normal figure, for many it is a good help. Like it or not, it's better than calling you for free
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 March 2013 08: 35 New
    +1
    "According to military experts, the idea of ​​turning" partisans "into a truly trained mobilization reserve is very attractive."
    "According to forecasts, for being in the reserve, contract workers will be paid from 8 to 10 thousand rubles."


    Well, and what a foolish person for this money will constantly monitor his physical training, professional skills, risking that for frequent absences the employer will expel him from his main job? In addition, he will not have the benefits of a military man, neither on leave, nor on pension, he will not be able to plan his year as he wants due to the fact that he can be called and sent to a hot spot at any time. It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. I’m not seeing any attraction for myself.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 27 March 2013 11: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      I’m not seeing any attraction for myself.

      That's right, and you won’t see!
      This is another megaraspil!
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 27 March 2013 15: 03 New
      +1
      Vladimirets
      I’ll say it easier - just crap.
      "Not yet cleaned up with a set of contract soldiers in the regular army, The General Staff is concerned about the introduction of contract service in the reserve. " We hear about contract soldiers about 15-20 years, but still "do not get it." Knowing this, for some reason, they reduced the timeline for an urgent one. What for?

      "... all retired soldiers and officers will be asked to sign a reserve service agreement." I hope "suggested" do not eat "required" ?

      Quote: Vladimirets
      "According to forecasts, for being in the reserve, contract workers will be paid from 8 to 10 thousand rubles."
      And I did not understand from the article, is this a month, or at the time of the call? If a month, then ... I have no words. We count. 5000 partisan reservists * 10000 rubles = 50 million rubles. PER MONTH !!! The year, respectively, is 600 million rubles. Yes, plus equipment. Where will they take the money? With such appetites, all the expenses claimed by Putin-Shoigu-Rogozin for the army until 2025 will end before 2020. Because, if the number is 300 thousand, then the expenses ... ( request ) ... 36 billion rubles a year come out for a salary ... to partisan contractors ...

      "According to the project developers, it will be possible to attract smart, healthy, educated specialists who can cope with sophisticated equipment, weapon systems and electronic systems. "[/color] Are they cloning?

      Seriously - a stupid undertaking.
      You are right -
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Quote: JonnyT
      No children yet

      When will you understand me.


      And then - it was necessary to think when the army was reduced and the ensigns were thrown out.
      And the robot-maker ... let him fire, to hell ... on his own laughing
      Scared ha ha ha - by law
      laughing
  5. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 27 March 2013 08: 40 New
    +4
    In Russia there are many Cossack organizations that used to be a kind of mobility reserve of the Russian state. Pay the Cossacks - and they will gladly go to serve, and they will do it with high quality! And they will teach their children!
  6. JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 March 2013 08: 41 New
    +2
    I support this idea. The idea looks good, but only God knows how it is implemented.
    Once again it will be useful to shoot and run - in case of war the probability of being killed will be less, and the extra money will not hurt. Yes, and remember the romance of the army does not hurt
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 March 2013 09: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      Once again it will be useful to shoot and run - in case of war the probability of being killed will be less, and the extra money will not hurt. Yes, and remember the romance of the army does not hurt

      Apparently you do not have a family, children, a permanent job and hobbies. request
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 27 March 2013 10: 04 New
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        There are no children yet, but there is work and hobbies. I think that the fees that are supposed to be held will not be so protracted and remote from the place of residence. If this bill is worked out as follows, then the main source of income will not run out, for example, the employer is obliged to pay money while at training camps and combat training, with the preservation of the workplace. After completing the training and combat training, it will be possible to continue to work where he worked before the training camp.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 27 March 2013 10: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: JonnyT
          No children yet

          When will you understand me. wink
          Quote: JonnyT
          I think that the fees that are supposed to be held will not be so protracted and remote from the place of residence.

          It is supposed to make them one to two weeks several times a year. You are going on vacation, to your brother's wedding, are leaving for fishing in Karelia, or you just need to collect children for school, and you have a fig and a subpoena: the MO has other plans for your time. 1-2 weeks seems to be not much, but plans still need to be changed, albeit not far, but you still need to leave, and it is unlikely to go home in the evening. And for all this happiness is 8-10 thousand rubles.
          Quote: JonnyT
          the employer is obliged to pay money while at the training camp and military training, with the preservation of the workplace.

          The employer, of course, will be obligated, but he will not stop looking askance at the employee who is ready for 8 pieces to give up the main job, because in essence it is a side job.
          Quote: JonnyT
          After completing the training and combat training, it will be possible to continue to work where he worked before the training camp.

          The guard at the gate, of course, always without loss can leave the job and start again, but many jobs imply a continuous process, when a lot depends on the individual, and which should not be abandoned.
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 11: 07 New
          0
          Quote: JonnyT
          the employer is obliged to pay money while at the training camp and military training

          Most likely, as before, the average earnings will compensate the MO.
          Quote: Vladimirets
          And for all this happiness 8-10ty.rub.

          8-10 thousand monthly, regardless of stay at the training camp + compensation for average earnings during the training camp.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 27 March 2013 12: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: antiaircrafter
            8-10 thousand monthly, regardless of stay at the training camp

            What's the difference? Just very few people will sit as if on a powder keg, expecting someone to splash him into the head. When I served in the army, my whole life was imprisoned in an army way, an alarming suitcase, shifts, irregular working hours, floating weekends, etc. But! For this I received money, length of service, benefits, etc. I understood what it was and all my life was imprisoned for it.
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 13: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Just a few will sit on a powder keg

              More than enough ... this is the sadness of mobists.

              Quote: Vladimirets
              someone in the head splash him pull

              Partisan gatherings, as before, are planned. Theoretically, for the reservists, the annual fee plan should be brought up.
        3. Dmitry_2013
          Dmitry_2013 27 March 2013 11: 12 New
          +1
          Yeah, this is if the plant is 10 thousand, then the employer will not notice, but if a small company and workers in key positions, then the trouble will be what
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 12: 06 New
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            Quote: Dmitry_2013
            if a small company and employees in key positions

            Just the same, all workers will rush to the reserve of Moscow Region.
            1. Dmitry_2013
              Dmitry_2013 27 March 2013 13: 11 New
              0
              the fact of the matter is, who will they ask? And there are no standards, so they can take away everything from one, and nobody from the neighbors) here you have an advantage in the market laughing
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 13: 19 New
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                Quote: Dmitry_2013
                the fact of the matter is, who will they ask?

                You are probably not quite up to date. It is about creating a mobilization human reserve. It is planned to conclude a contract with people to stay in the reserve. For this they will receive some denyuzhki and for them will remove restrictions on the duration and frequency of failures.
                You are talking about existing practice. Then yes, they can take everyone.
                1. Dmitry_2013
                  Dmitry_2013 27 March 2013 14: 45 New
                  +1
                  It is clear that it is planned to conclude, but in the current version, not one employer will not allow his employee to do this. Accordingly, they will pose a fact, either a contract, or we will call you for 2 months according to the law, you still will not get away. this is dangerous
                  1. antiaircrafter
                    antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 16: 28 New
                    0
                    Quote: Dmitry_2013
                    It is clear that it is planned to conclude, but in the current version, not one employer will not allow his employee to do this.

                    There is no option yet.
                    Quote: Dmitry_2013
                    Accordingly, they will confront the fact with either a contract, or we will call you for 2 months according to the law, you still will not get away. this is dangerous

                    Who to bet? The contract is voluntary.
                    Without a contract, as before, they will be able to attract fees every three years. And that's it - no statement of fact.
  7. erased
    erased 27 March 2013 09: 07 New
    0
    A reserve is needed. But in this form, it may not appear. 8-10 pieces a month with the prospect of departure from work for leaving for fees - like a mockery.
    But let's see what happens.
  8. dmitry46
    dmitry46 27 March 2013 09: 09 New
    0
    The idea is certainly a good one, but to be honest, I would have gone to the training camp for free with pleasure.
  9. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 27 March 2013 09: 12 New
    -2
    Stupid idea. My opinion.
    1. The probability of war is extremely small. 2. Of pot-bellied drunks and partisans will not work.
    1. dmitry46
      dmitry46 27 March 2013 09: 29 New
      +2
      1. The leadership of the USSR also thought at one time that a war with Germany was unlikely ....
      2. Not all reservists "pot-bellied drunks"
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 09: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      Of pot-bellied drunks and partisans will not work.

      It is supposed at the conclusion of the contract to check the health and level of physical fitness. Not everyone will take it.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 27 March 2013 09: 53 New
        0
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        Not everyone will take it.

        Do you think that there will be so many that you can even choose?
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 11: 10 New
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          Quote: Vladimirets
          will it be possible to choose?

          Then it makes no sense to start it.
          There was already a sad experience with contract soldiers in the troops. Now choose.
  10. demonuga
    demonuga 27 March 2013 09: 27 New
    0
    Let's see what happens next in this bill. An idea is needed, but whether they can implement it correctly. Personally, I may agree to be a reservist.
  11. Kpox
    Kpox 27 March 2013 10: 10 New
    0
    The idea is good, but the implementation must be "finalized with a file." Now, legally, a “reserve" can be called to training camps with a duration of no more than 2 months each, the interval between training camps cannot be less than 3 years, and the total duration of stay at training camps cannot exceed 12 months. The officers seem to have several categories, but for each training camp it can be more often and longer. Now, if we legislatively fix the time parameters for reserves, for example, once a calendar year with a duration of no more than a month with a total duration of 24 months + before fees, a commission on standards and state of health. But to eliminate natural disasters, make a call from the reserve voluntary with a "bonus" payment and length of service (a day for two, double payment). Mobilization in the event of military conflicts is, of course, mandatory.
  12. svp67
    svp67 27 March 2013 10: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Not in the order, but in the legislative. Laws will be executed. Another thing is that the employer can raise the question with an edge - either a contract for the reserve, or you work for me!



    It is necessary to make it simple so that such “contract soldiers” are beneficial to the employer. Like tax breaks, admission to government orders, or something else, and the issue will be resolved ...
    1. Dmitry_2013
      Dmitry_2013 27 March 2013 11: 14 New
      0
      I agree completely !!!
  13. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 27 March 2013 11: 18 New
    0
    Restricting travel abroad will also become a mandatory procedure for the reservist.

    And this will not be a problem, even personnel officers go abroad on vacation, write rapport, the command permits, get a passport and go. But who has a security clearance, yes. Well, no one will give access to the reservist, so I don’t see any problems. In general, the idea is not bad, because it wouldn’t be made as usual through the ass what
  14. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 27 March 2013 11: 23 New
    0
    in the same Switzerland, reservists almost every month go to exercises ....
  15. Alekseev
    Alekseev 27 March 2013 11: 49 New
    0
    Partisans should be lot
    That's why they are partisans.
    They are a reserve in case of war.
    And so that there are no problems with discipline, it is necessary. as the Belarusian dad loves to say, “replay” them at the training camp so that they understand “how to love the Motherland”.
    That's all. wink
    There may be some priority reserve and should receive money for increased combat readiness. But there should be many of these. Let not millions, but for Russia no less than 200-300 thousand
    And fees with them should be held at the place of residence in the evenings and at weekends. That there were no problems with the main work.
    And for this we need a decent training base. And instructors.
    That is, a little less difficult than learning a regular army. We must deal closely. And who will do this with us? Perdyukov was a good minister, stole nothing. There is no evidence. And his friend the secret hero Makarka, they say returned to the service ?! recourse
    Probably to work with partisans.
  16. SIT
    SIT 27 March 2013 12: 26 New
    +1
    The article says that for a complete set in wartime only 300 thousand will be required. reservists. It turns out that the wartime army is 1,3 million people. Who is interesting potential adversary? Clearly not China. There is a peacetime army of 5 million. Maybe world terrorism? So in our country already officially 10 million. migrants, of which the vast majority of those very places where this terrorism and recruits Mujahideen. Let every 10th of them agree for the Saudi petrodollars to scream Allahu akbar and run with a gun. This is already a million. How many of their same "relatives" will be basement from villages and villages? A couple more millions. So with whom to fight that?
    1. Kpox
      Kpox 27 March 2013 13: 07 New
      0
      "To fight not by number, but by reduction." (c) A.V. Suvorov
  17. Egor.nic
    Egor.nic 27 March 2013 12: 28 New
    0
    The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense. smile
  18. Georgs
    Georgs 27 March 2013 13: 31 New
    0
    But what if, from a n-th number of appropriately trained reservists, real guerrillas are made? “Appropriately trained” are, for example, hunters. Formations of edge defense such as “werewolf”, “omakaitse”, “regional zbroi”, some. IMHO, a very real thing. You don’t need to teach people to shoot, in an outdor, like at home, a theater of arms is familiar. True, this is only for inland areas. For large-scale offensive and defensive military operations, reservists of a completely different preparation are needed. And here one could turn to the elements of the Swiss experience. The only thing is: funds for such training are needed.
  19. optimist
    optimist 27 March 2013 13: 52 New
    +3
    Another dibilny initiative. MO once again wants to stumble without straining. About 50 years ago, such an idea would probably make sense. Then it was enough to be able to shoot and throw grenades. In the current situation, these "partisans" are cannon fodder. On the one hand, the GDP and its environment understand that the Great War is just around the corner. On the other hand, there is a reduction in the current army. With an average required number of 1400000 people (1% of the population) in peacetime, the total number is already less than a million ... And instead of understaffing and comprehensively and qualitatively preparing the existing army, they propose to engage in another masturbation. am
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 14: 54 New
      0
      Quote: optimist
      Then it was enough to be able to shoot and throw grenades. In the current situation, these "partisans" are cannon fodder.

      But the current store is not a "cannon fodder"? They will be picked up by the whistle, they neither know each other, nor the commanders, nor their equipment.
      According to the proposed scheme, reservists are assigned to a specific military unit, to a specific position. Periodically, training camps and exercises will be held there. Thus, they will be more prepared than the current storerooms.
      Moreover, the whistle will no longer require combat coordination (or its time will be reduced), it is enough to collect the entire shobla and bring it to the area of ​​combat mission.
      Of course, this is all in theory. As life will show - hell knows.
  20. MAG
    MAG 27 March 2013 17: 53 New
    0
    Let my opinion be, but only those who already have combat experience in the same composition! Plus, they don’t stupid, there is experience naturally at the time of collection the dry law and the time itself is no more than 3 weeks
  21. Alex Nikandrov
    Alex Nikandrov 27 March 2013 21: 14 New
    +1
    There must be a reserve, the reduced army and navy are nothing for the serious enemy in terms of the defense of our country, there are examples, for example, the Israeli army, other armies, and the "reservists" have saved us more than once.
  22. Kaetani
    Kaetani 27 March 2013 22: 40 New
    0
    If I’m honestly not cheating.
    That in the event that a decision on fees is made legally mandatory - then this is very buzzing.
    With pleasure I would go for a month from everything.

    That there was no misunderstanding zp above average is enough. And the family does not need to explain that you are rushing from this - but you answer simply - you need a native - this is the law.
  23. zinander
    zinander 28 March 2013 19: 42 New
    0
    This is a voluntary matter and everyone is free to decide whether he needs it or not. I think that someone needs 8-10 thousand additional income