The inertia of madness or what to do with the pirates of the 21st century?

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The inertia of madness or what to do with the pirates of the 21st century?

The events in the Baltic have attracted the attention of many, and many different proposals have been made on the topic of the Russian shadow tanker industry. fleet and Europiracy. Some of the recommendations were not just surprising, but rather shocking.

"Sink European ships harshly and decisively when they try to seize tankers with Russian oil, and don't hesitate to kill European police officers and military personnel."

These are the recommendations made by “experts” in case the Baltic region countries actually implement their plans for a naval blockade of Russian oil exports.



Somehow it looks very, you know, Ukrainian. In the spirit of the neighbors, don't you think?

Well, here, of course, everything is clear, such is the infosphere, such are the "experts". In our case - they do not think at all about what they are shouting, it is just the way it is - to shout louder, and then we will see. Well, that is what is accepted today in some backwaters of the Russian information shallows, but we will try to think and reason without hysteria and calls for violence.

Yes, against the backdrop of the general madness in the European Union, a new era of piracy may begin in the Baltic Sea. A fully formed and understandable one. Some EU countries simply dream of seriously opening a hunt for tankers with Russian oil.


Why - it is absolutely clear, because there is such a word as "confiscation", and it is very sweet. Of course, to take and confiscate a semi-contraband (from the point of view of Europeans) cargo of oil and use it for personal purposes. Naturally, without paying a penny for the oil.

Seriously, this will blow anyone's mind, because none of those who are howling loudly on this topic have a bucket of their own oil, and now they have to buy it not from Russia, but somewhere a little more expensive. It's no secret that this European "We won't buy oil for more than $60 a barrel" very easily runs into "We won't sell it at that price."

The fact that these organisms are sawing off the branch they are sitting on is the third question, and we should generally be completely indifferent to how things are with energy resources in these countries and how sad the prospects will be.

Well, you must admit, the same Finland, rapidly losing the south of its country, which is simply dying because the border with Russia is closed, well, what business is it of ours? It is clear that the people of St. Petersburg have already become accustomed to Finnish sausage and dairy products, their neighbors have spoiled them, but it doesn’t matter. Finland doesn’t need that much milk, so the cows will go to sausage.

But what do tankers have to do with it, it would seem? The ships sail under a variety of flags, with very international crews. Yes, thanks to this, they are not subject to Western oil sanctions - including the so-called price ceiling.

It would seem that what does Europe as a whole and the Baltics and Finland care about Russia selling its oil to its own customers?

It’s complicated here: if under Biden, some European countries slavishly licked the master’s shoe, demonstrating their readiness for any meanness, such as the blanket accusation of the Russians and Chinese of damaging cables in the Baltic Sea (with the Chinese, it turned out wildly - they have absolutely no interests in the Baltic), then the Trump administration seems to have a slightly different opinion on how to put pressure on Russia.

And here the question is: is it necessary? So far, both sides have demonstrated the ability to talk without shouting until they are hoarse and to find common ground.

Why are they so angry in Europe then?



The inertia of madness. The fact that today many politicians from Germany should not sit in various European commissions, but settle into comfortable rooms in the Karl Jaspers Clinic, is an indisputable and non-negotiable fact. Anna and Lena should have been tied up and stabbed in five points long ago, and Ursula too. But they have their own understanding of democracy. A kind of permissiveness for the chosen few. By and large, worse than in some totalitarian regimes on the other side of the Earth.

And therefore, if in the USA, in connection with the change of the ruling team, they are thinking about how to come to an agreement with Russia, then due to the absolute inertia of their brains (or the absence of such in principle) in Europe they continue the policy of sanctions pressure. Despite the fact that soon they will wheeze to the west of the Oder, and not to the east.

But there are real problems for us. More than half of Russian oil exports pass through Baltic ports such as Primorsk, Vysotsk, St. Petersburg and Ust-Luga. In 2024, the amount of oil shipped was almost 62 million tons. If Russia's Baltic cargo ports are blocked (and this is what the Europeans are trying to do now), this will have a very negative impact on supplies. In this case, both exports and production will have to be reduced.

Transferring to other ports is also not the best option, the terminals of Novorossiysk and Tuapse do not have large transshipment capacities, and the northern and eastern (especially) terminals are not always convenient for buyers from Europe and Africa, for example. Although very impressive ports such as Nakhodka and Kozmino have been built in the east.


But pirate activities in the Baltics can really cause some damage to the Russian economy. Especially if they start robbing intensively.

Why are we talking so seriously about piracy and the infringement of Russia's interests? Because for the inspections that have already been carried out and the blockade of Russian ports, you know, a legal basis is needed! Moreover, based on international legislation and even on UN resolutions, although everyone who was affected by them spat on the latter.

And here it is worth emphasizing that, in general, the Europeans do not have any legal and at the same time safe methods! By legal and safe methods I mean those that will not cause a direct military clash or a local conflict.

It is necessary to clearly understand that in principle, European security forces, no matter how much they would like to, cannot legally detain Russian tankers in neutral waters, and especially non-Russian tankers, no matter how much they are suspected of belonging to Russia. Moreover, a blockade of tankers in the Danish Straits would be absolutely illegal - this is prohibited by the Copenhagen Convention of 1857.

And in general, there may be an interesting legal moment with this convention that may come up... Worse than "Yasen" before Copenhagen. And this moment may be much more effective than all these calls to burn, drown and kill. Let's say, the path of smart people.

After the Convention was signed back in 1857, the Danish state received a one-time payment of 33,5 million Danish rigsdaler from the countries participating in the Convention as compensation for the abolition of the toll for passage through the straits. Of the total amount, Great Britain paid about a third, and Russia another third. The rest fell to the share of all sorts of Swedes and Dutch. The United States concluded its own treaty, which was signed in Washington and cost the US $393.

It's scary to even imagine how much 10 million Danish rigsdalers of 1857 would cost today in dollar equivalent. But economists will be able to calculate it, and I think the sum will be such that the Danish Folketing (parliament) will go grey en masse from horror.

But, by the way, it is logical: no passage through the straits - money back! By the way, there are calculations that 1 ruble of the 1865 model (almost those times) in 2020 was valued at 1 modern rubles. It could be an interesting deal...

According to maritime legislation, the same Danes (Finns, Swedes, etc.) can perform any manipulations against Russian and other vessels only when the latter are at anchor. Everything else, like Finnish boarding, is absolutely illegal.

Of course, the same Danish gentlemen undertake to ensure the safety of navigation, and this obligation can be interpreted extremely broadly - for example, implying environmental safety. And considering that we have done ourselves a lot of harm with tanker accidents in the Black Sea, then under the pretext of stopping old tankers and checking technical documentation (certificates certifying the full technical serviceability of the vessel, for example), we can commit complete lawlessness, checking every letter and number.

So, we have a violation of freedom of navigation. Violation of legal procedures during the stopping and inspection of ships - too. And not only Russian ships, but ships that sail under the flags of other countries and belong to companies from all over the world.

The third step is the actual involvement of the military for the capture, inspection, search, detention, confiscation. I think there is no need to prove to anyone that in today's Europe this will be done easily and casually. It is enough to read the speeches of politicians from Germany, Denmark, France, Poland and (especially) the Baltic Troika of provocateurs addressed to Russia.

And here the escalation becomes threatening, because in reality the Baltic Sea could be blocked not only for Russian ships, but in general for all ships that seem suspicious or that are suspected of working for Russia.

And what should Russia do then?



Is this "sink, burn, kill" really true? Okay, let's first look at the legal side. A Russian vessel, be it a tanker or a dry cargo ship, yes, in the event of an "attack" by the Finns and the Balts (and not only) has every right to fight off the "SOS" and ask for help. And to receive this help, since boarding a commercial vessel in neutral waters with its subsequent taking it to the Finnish territorial zone and all the rest is piracy and lawlessness, which our navy must stop.

But this is when it comes to Russian ships. But the whole problem is that the ships transporting Russian oil are mostly not Russian. And therefore Russia has quite tangible limitations in protecting seaborne oil exports. And here the most important question arises: to respond or not to respond to the challenge from the Europeans?

The answer is simple: of course, to respond. The whole question is how? If you do not respond or appeal to various legal authorities, seeking justice - well, we all understand perfectly well how stupid all these international committees and assemblies are, then this will really be perceived as weakness.

Moreover, this will not be perceived by those who are trying to "bend" Russia, but by those who are buying Russian oil and trying to transport it to themselves. It is clear that not everyone has such fleets that can protect valuable cargo from Baltic and Baltic pirates, but something must be done in this direction.

“We need to escort tankers with ships from the Baltic Fleet and, if necessary, use military force against the Europeans,”
— this is exactly what some very hotheads wrote on the pages of one of our media outlets.

Perhaps, it is necessary to escort. Moreover, it is not such a difficult matter to frame this matter with agreements. To use force against Europeans... Well, that is such an occupation... The thing is that Europeans can also use force against the "aggressor" Russia, which prevents them from doing as they please.

Let's just see what the Europeans have?



Finland: 6 minelayers and two dozen boats.
Sweden: 5 submarines, 9 corvettes, a dozen boats.
Poland: 2 submarines, 2 frigates, 3 corvettes.
Germany: 6 submarines, 11 frigates, 7 corvettes.
Denmark: 9 frigates.
Netherlands: 4 submarines, 6 frigates, 4 corvettes.

We are looking exclusively at the Baltic Sea. In total, all NATO allies, without the British and Americans standing behind them, have a fleet that, in theory, consists of 17 submarines, 26 frigates, 23 corvettes and all sorts of other small stuff.

What's on our side? The Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet includes:
- 1 destroyer;
- 2 frigates;
- 4 corvettes;
- 6 small anti-submarine ships;
- 1 submarine.


Okay, just in case, 8 more small ones missile ships. But they don't make a difference, it's clear and understandable that NATO's fleet will leave absolutely no chance. Even a quarter of this fleet will exceed all the capabilities of the DKBF.

And here a very big question arises for our screamers: what, excuse me, will we use to heat it and who will fight if something happens?


Map of the Baltic Sea. It's 1200 km to the Danish Straits. And along the entire length, starting from the Gulf of Finland, there are unfriendly countries. And how can you cover this thousand-odd kilometers with seven ships? Form convoys? Good. This is not a quick matter, but it is rewarding, proven by the Second World War on all seas and especially in the Atlantic. A couple of warships or even one will definitely beat off the overly frisky policemen from the water area security forces, but what next? A sea battle?

No, we need to take something even cooler:

"Right there, without hesitation, harshly and decisively sink European ships when they try to seize tankers carrying Russian oil, without hesitation kill European police officers and military personnel. And at the same time strengthen nuclear deterrence and declare that in the event of retaliatory attacks by Europeans on Russian military vessels, a nuclear strike on Europe will possibly be launched."

I won't give the name and surname of the person who wasn't ashamed to dump such things in the media, we have more than enough of them. I want to say: "What's the big deal, let's just drop a nuclear charge on London or Berlin right away! Why waste time on trifles?"

The bridges across the Dnieper failed, but here we’ll turn half of London or Berlin into glass for a tanker with oil.

Before airing something like this, it’s worth checking the internet and finding out who’s in charge in Russia now. And that’s someone named V. V. Putin. A peculiar person, but one who definitely knows how to think and — what’s very important — how to conduct politics. And today we can say that things could have been much worse in the events of the recent past that have unfolded so magnificently. stories.


So, no matter how crazy ideas various not very gifted gentlemen may talk and write, naturally, there will be no brutal sinking of European ships. And no one will give the order to kill European policemen either. And to declare such a thing, that a nuclear strike will be carried out during an attack on a tanker - well, this can only happen in the rosy dreams of a certain category of ordinary Russians. But not in Putin's performance.

It cannot be said that pressure by force is a bad method of imposing one's opinion, but pressure by nuclear force weapons Putin will never allow himself to do this. It is not his style. This is for internet obscurantists, but here we have big politics, in which Vladimir Vladimirovich, we admit, is knowledgeable and strong.

The attempt to paralyze Russia's oil exports, undertaken by European politicians, may, of course, have some effect, but in the event of some aggravation of the situation, the Europeans may back down.


Of course, they have a lot of ships. They have a lot of planes. They have an unacceptable amount of everything, but the question here is: to what extent are they prepared to use all of this?

That a Russian plane could part with a missile in favor of a British one is known in Europe. That a Russian ship could behave aggressively towards superior enemy forces is quite real.

Operation Baltic Sentry, which we have already written about, continues. True, there is zero real information about who damaged the cables, but that is not the main thing. This is a rehearsal of a naval blockade in all its glory.


But it is worth remembering that during the Second World War, the Allies also tried to blockade Germany. And it is worth remembering what all this resulted in: a mad hunt by the entire Royal Navy for blockade runners. Who, nevertheless, reached German ports.

Today the situation is a little different, but nevertheless: even in the conditions of the narrow straits of Denmark, even with the use of the most modern means such as unmanned boats and attack drones, it is impossible to stop the movement of ships unless a full-scale military operation is launched.

But there are also positive aspects. Remember how in January a Russian S-400 air defense system in the Kaliningrad region took over the escort of an Atlantique 2 aircraft patrolling the Baltic Sea precisely as part of the aforementioned Baltic Sentry operation? The crew, having received a warning from the onboard defense system, went to base, and French Defense Minister Lecornu whined on social media that this was aggression on the part of Russia.

There in the West, they are modestly silent about what the allies are doing in this operation.

However, it is good that there is an understanding that Russia has something to respond to with a blow for a blow. It is, of course, stupid to start stopping all ships passing by Kaliningrad under the same stupid pretexts under which tankers with Russian oil were stopped. But is it possible?

Yes, it is possible. And it is not only possible to take aircraft for escort, it is necessary! Let them see, let them be nervous. Let them go not alone tankers under the most diverse flags, but accompanied by Russian ships.


Arrest of Finnish poachers. Press service of the Border Department of the FSB of Russia for the Kaliningrad Region

Ships... This is a real weak point. Who knew that the Baltic Fleet, which had long ago and clearly become a septic tank for officers preparing for retirement, would suddenly one day become an arena for political, and in the future, non-political, passions? And that warships capable of defending Russia's interests in the Baltic would simply be necessary?

There is an option to "pinch" the Northern Fleet a little. There are ships there that are capable of changing the situation in the Baltic, not exactly in our favor, but with them the Baltic Fleet will not look so miserable.

Firstly, these are diesel submarines. There are not many of them, only three (Kronshtadt, Kaluga, Vladikavkaz), but they clearly have nothing to do in the North. Four submarines instead of one in the Baltic is already something.

Secondly, frigates. Project 22350 is a very successful ship, which can really compete with a couple of enemy frigates. Of course, it will get it in full, but the enemies will not be short either. Three such ships are a real brick on the scales. And "Sarych", which is "Ushakov", would also be good to requisition.

Thirdly, minesweepers and anti-submarine ships. The enemy has plenty of boats, mines in the Baltic are a weapon with a century-old history. Effective.

In general, if we borrow literally 10-15 ships from the Northern Fleet, this will not weaken the NF itself at all. Its strength is not in frigates and minesweepers, and certainly not in diesel-electric submarines. And in the Baltic, and not in Kronstadt, but in Baltiysk, these ships would be simply an invaluable reinforcement. Moreover, almost all of these ships could be transferred via internal channels. This has already happened more than once, so it is a familiar thing.

And as a result, we will get a fleet that will be able to cope with such a task as escorting tankers with Russian oil, at least until the end of the zone of responsibility of the heirs of the free earls and vitaliers. In short, the Baltic pirates.


It's a pretty tough task, but it's much easier and more politically advantageous than waving a nuclear club. Using nuclear weapons, or even talking about it, is really a test of adequacy for any politician, and everyone in the world will look askance at the one making the promise. Yes, THAT speech by Putin, where he said that Russia would use them in the event of a threat - well, just rummage through the Internet, refresh your memory of how he said it. Very diplomatic. On the edge, yes, but nevertheless.

But a fleet that is really capable of giving a slap on the wrist to those who like to act willfully in the open seas is something that will not surprise anyone, but will make them respect it. And here the revival of the Baltic fleet at the expense of a certain number of ships is far from a bad idea. At least in Europe many will think about whether it is worth continuing all this dancing around Russian and not so Russian ships.
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  1. + 18
    20 February 2025 03: 26
    With such an advantage of NATO fleets, a small strengthening of the Baltic Fleet will not achieve anything.
    Project 22350 is a very successful ship, which will be able to compete with a couple of enemy frigates in reality. Of course, it will get the full treatment, but the enemies will not be short of it either.

    If the idea is in a barter naval battle, then it is childish.

    Firstly, these are diesel submarines. There are not many of them, only three (Kronshtadt, Kaluga, Vladikavkaz)

    How exactly will PL help?

    Secondly, frigates. Project 22350

    Frigates will never be redundant anywhere. But there are catastrophically few of them. And destroyer "Leader" 23560 would not hurt either.
    Can anyone remind us if we are already finishing building it or are we still just admiring the picture?

    mines in the Baltic - this is a weapon with a hundred-year history

    Mines? In our supposedly peaceful time? And how can it not work in the Black Sea after the antics of the 404th?

    revival of the Baltic fleet with a certain number of ships - this is far from a bad idea

    Is it sufficient? Clearly not!
    PS: a big request to the site administration and authors - proofread the articles before publishing!
    1. + 15
      20 February 2025 05: 31
      How can diesel-electric submarines help here? Mines? And there's no way to lay bottom mines from those same diesel-electric submarines? Oh, right! We're Leopold the Cat...
      1. +5
        20 February 2025 11: 45
        We should not send ships from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic, but on the contrary, remove all valuable ships from the Baltic... otherwise it will turn out like in the Black Sea Fleet - a quarter of the ships are sunk or put out of action by a country that does not have a fleet in the Black Sea at all... the lessons of the Great Patriotic War in the Baltic and Black Sea never reached the minds of our admirals and the smartest and most decisive politician in the world...
        1. +4
          20 February 2025 12: 50
          Mlget is out of topic. But in the 18th century it was good to unfurl the sails and start naval battles. Now to protect the bay, we need airplanes, missile batteries, unmanned squadrons. I'll tell you a secret, it's already the 21st century. Other technologies, for example, space surveillance.
          If anyone needs it.
          1. -2
            20 February 2025 14: 00
            and our Navy also has a special status in military doctrine
            and the Navy also has nuclear weapons - all sorts of self-propelled mines, torpedoes,
            and also nuclear depth charges - I don't know about the relevance of using them in the Baltic - it would seem excessive (!)
      2. 0
        27 February 2025 00: 09
        The article seems to be aimed at readers without military education. It was written by an experienced propagandist of the Biden set. There is nothing to discuss in essence.
    2. +7
      20 February 2025 11: 35
      Quote: Flashpoint
      With such an advantage of NATO fleets, a small strengthening of the Baltic Fleet will not achieve anything.

      Moreover, such reinforcement as the author suggested. The newest frigates from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic Fleet are simply nonsense unworthy of discussion. As well as diesel-electric submarines, which the Northern Fleet already lacks - to ensure anti-submarine defense. And to escort ships in the Baltic, ordinary patrol ships are needed. With a cannon and machine guns - to disperse those same nimble police officers. And in the event of a threat from NATO ships, such a patrol ship would only need to give the coordinates of targets for our large missile defense systems in Kaliningrad, and no frigates would be needed. Or call in the air force. If NATO decides to escalate the war - that will be their choice and they will have practically no chance of survival.
      All these NATO hysterics are just hysterics of impotent rage of the losing side. And attempts to put pressure on Russia with the aim of imposing disadvantageous agreements on "freezing the conflict". And we don't need frozen conflicts. And we have enough ships to escort ships in the Baltic. There they even take the useless Project 22160, completed, out for testing. There are patrol ships and those very same MRKs mentioned with such disdain by the author (8 pieces). And each of them has a cannon, a six-barreled AK-630 ZAK, machine guns and Speed. Anti-ship missiles are just an option for such tasks, but they look quite impressive. 8 pieces! To the rest of the patrol ships. And the destroyer "Sarych" with its rapid-fire 130 mm. with automatic weapons in two towers - just put them out to sea on duty, somewhere at an intermediate point between Kaliningrad and Ust-Luga, or between Kaliningrad and Denmark, for insurance. And that's all.
      The strength of any fleet, and especially our fleets, is not only in their ships, but also in coastal defense systems, in the forces of Naval Aviation, coastal missile systems and air defense systems. And let the 22160th lead the convoys, it was designed specifically against pirates, let it justify them. It also has a large hold under the helicopter deck, where captured pirates can be stacked. And then tried. In an open court. For piracy and terrorism in international waters. For this, return the death penalty to law enforcement practice. And as in the years and for some time after the Great Patriotic War - by hanging by the neck. And carry out the sentences in front of cameras with a broadcast on Intervision. Is there no Intervision anymore? It's a pity, but there are other channels. The same RT.
      And any attempts to confiscate our ships or shadow fleet ships with our oil will be responded to by confiscating, by court order, the assets of Western companies and banks in Russia. We have many of their assets under arrest or in trust management. And at least five times the amount.
      And without fuss.
      The whole fuss there is that this oil, which they are going to rob, is already going to European ports. But at full world price. And they want it cheap or just to rob. It would be better to refuse Europe our oil and gas (now mainly LNG), but that's how the chicks of Gaidar and Chubais have arranged our economy. Let's sell our fuel oil to Trump again as heavy oil. We still have a lot of it, and they need it for their refineries. In general, it will be beautiful - we give Trump our heavy oil and fuel oil, he gives Europe his light oil and LNG, on used ones and Europe - sanctions for insolence and disobedience ... and peace will come.
      And Trump will receive the Nobel Peace Prize. And deservedly so. Because Ukraine will become Russia again, as he promised Zelensky.
      1. +1
        20 February 2025 11: 49
        But since 1853 and Sinop our fleet has not won a single battle or major engagement at sea... and has only heroically perished in its bases...
        1. +6
          20 February 2025 12: 41
          It just so happened that we didn't have any major naval battles except for the Russian Navy. And in the post-war period, no one could even raise their tail in the USSR Navy, because they always look at the combined power of the state, and not just the fleet.
          And our BRKs shoot right through the Baltic from Kaliningrad, along with all of Scandinavia. All that Europe is trying to fool now is to draw Trump into their "containment of Russia" for the purpose of "strategic defeat of Russia". But Trump is not buying it and has excluded Europe from the negotiation process altogether. At all. It is not profitable for Trump to either defend or support Europe.
          As for our Fleet... it needs to be built first. And now (except for the NSNF) there is nothing to talk about.
        2. +1
          20 February 2025 17: 44
          and only died heroically in their bases
          He also took guns from the ships and sent the sailors to the infantry.
          1. +4
            20 February 2025 19: 09
            Well, in our ground forces everything is in order too..they call up the Airborne Forces..they teach parachute jumping (and they spend the engine life of the IL-76 on this and for this they again create a technical base for the production of DP) they create air-transportable BMDs and self-propelled guns..and..in the end, today the Airborne Forces simply fight as assault infantry (but without heavy weapons)..well, how are the Airborne Forces worse than the Navy
      2. 0
        20 February 2025 12: 43
        with your answer it's absolutely +++++ one fleet is already "resting" in the Black Sea puddle.
      3. +3
        20 February 2025 13: 01
        bayard hi
        Thank you very much for your detailed answer, I also carefully read your comments below! good
      4. -2
        20 February 2025 14: 02
        and what (?) - on day X
        arsenals will issue thermonuclear warheads for the Bastion BPRK and Iskander OTRK
        for a small number of corvettes, small missile ships, diesel-electric submarines - the Baltic Fleet will issue nuclear warheads to:
        self-propelled mines, depth charges, torpedoes, anti-submarine missiles, anti-ship missiles, etc.
        and the quarrel will begin - let's multiply by "0" all the navies in the Baltic
        1. +3
          20 February 2025 14: 36
          Quote: Romario_Argo
          arsenals will issue thermonuclear warheads for the Bastion BPRK and Iskander OTRK

          Now Trump is solving the problem of how to prevent this from happening - he definitely doesn't need it. And if Europe were left alone, it would be too weak against us. Especially since we have already started production and are preparing to deploy (or are they the first ones already?) heavy IRBMs. Just right for Europe. They are in a panic now, because the only combat-ready land army in Europe is the Ukrainian Armed Forces. If we completely take over the used ones by the end of the year and, according to Trump's commandment, "Ukraine will become Russia again", then truly Terrible Dark Times will begin for them. They will have to answer for everything. Including money. Without our energy resources, their economy will simply shrink, and their armies will degrade even more. Without the USA, they are almost worthless in military terms, and the USA will obviously begin to curtail its military infrastructure around the world - they simply cannot afford it. Trump announced a reduction in military spending by 2029 billion dollars by 400. This means that a systemic financial and economic crisis is beginning in the USA, which "the Bolsheviks have been talking about for so long". But with such a crisis team, Trump is quite capable of finding and saving the necessary 2 trillion dollars. Including by introducing import duties on goods to the USA.
      5. -1
        21 February 2025 00: 27
        And what will those who shoved Trump into the oral office get? There are big doubts that they like your scenario. They are up to something of their own. It happened once already. Peace-friendship-chewing gum... Crap and the country falls apart. The multi-move player is flying into another mousetrap, at full gallop.
        1. +3
          21 February 2025 01: 21
          Quote: Essex62
          This has happened once already. Peace-friendship-chewing gum... Crap and the country falls apart. The multi-move player is flying into another mousetrap, at full gallop.

          This is exactly how it was with us until now, when the Russian Federation tried with all its might to "fit into the market". Times have changed, and Time has its own Laws. The USA, and the entire West are now on the very brink of collapse into a monstrous collapse of the financial and economic crisis, and they can no longer be saved. Trump and Co. were brought in as CRISIS MANAGERS to save not the entire Western system of capitalism, but only the USA. Before that, the globalists tried once again to delay, to postpone this collapse at the expense of Russia - having drawn it into the war in Ukraine by cunning and false promises, they tried to defeat it, to topple the regime with their proxies and prolong their agony at the expense of Russia's resources. It didn't work. We literally walked along the edge, but it didn't work. The Kremlin held out, the war turned, Russia won the war of attrition, and the West was unable to mobilize. The Russian army has gained strength and combat experience, new highly effective weapons have appeared in service, against which there is no defense, therefore escalation and war with NATO is impossible - the West is guaranteed to perish.
          therefore, only the USA will be saved. And Europe and England will be written off to zero. As funny as it may be, the very same "multipolar world" that people laughed at so much is becoming a reality. The USA is starting to integrate its own macroregion - the Greater USA, including Canada and Greenland, which will be seen in the future. And there is very little time left for stabilization in the USA. Critically little. Therefore, the budget is being optimized in an emergency manner, customs duties are being introduced, reserves and additional investment resources are being sought in order to eliminate the budget deficit and find funds for a new industrial breakthrough. And this is an extremely difficult task that must be solved in the next 10 years.
          Nothing like?
          The 20s - 30s? The Great Depression and what methods did Roosevelt use to pull the US out of that abyss? With the help of the USSR, by the way. As a result, 10 years later, in 1940, the US was the 1st World Economy, and the USSR became the 2nd World Economy for the first time in its history. And they made it just in time for the start of the war. And after this war they became the two superpowers on the planet.
          Quote: Essex62
          The multi-move operator flies into the next mousetrap at full gallop.

          Yes, we have been in the English mousetrap for a long time. We just haven't let ourselves get eaten yet. And when you are already in a mousetrap, then any way out of it is salvation. Especially since there is a clear example of how it was once before. It was very successful last time - the whole world was surprised. Both we and the USA. And the British Empire fell apart and fell into a long depression - to this day it grinds its teeth and suffers from the phantom pains of the former empire.
          Today, Russia once again has a chance for the Future.
          If we don't take advantage of the chance, we will die.
          And also. There is information that some economists of our country received an invitation from Musk... to help create a new financial and economic model for the USA. Because the previous one broke down.
          So don't be too surprised, you will be surprised many more times. Difficult but very interesting times are coming.
          1. +1
            21 February 2025 01: 36
            You and I have already discussed all this. hi Your optimism commands respect, and it's good that you are right. But I don't believe the disguised members of the CPSU and the Chekists. They are the ones who killed my country. What chances can there be with them?
            1. +1
              21 February 2025 02: 16
              Quote: Essex62
              They are the ones who killed my country. What chances can there be with them?

              I'm worried myself, but I know some of the background.
              Those who changed their colors, of course, painted themselves in the colors they painted themselves in (according to Cicero of Kyiv Klitschko), but they were taken in like suckers... and they remember that. It didn't work out in 2005, but the conditions were different, and the balance of forces. And the laws of Time take their toll.
          2. -2
            27 February 2025 06: 35
            Quote: bayard
            So don't be too surprised, you will be surprised many more times. Difficult but very interesting times are coming.

            For the first time I completely agree with you.
            If we can slip past the edge, ALL the others will howl with grief.
  2. + 13
    20 February 2025 03: 35
    By the way, are we ready to mitigate threats from enemy UAVs and BECs?
    Have you already sorted out the tanker and cargo ship explosions?
    What if we stop evaluating quantitatively and evaluate qualitatively? What exactly are we ready for?
    1. -1
      20 February 2025 05: 36
      And the tanker in Ust-Luga was blown up by the BEK?
      1. +3
        20 February 2025 11: 46
        It looks like there were underwater drones there, which were designed for used by the British. They showed them off and bragged about them about a year and a half ago. Now they are using them. Our military transport in Gibraltar was also sunk by similar devices. From the British naval base in Gibraltar.
        But it was the Sumerians who boasted of such devices. Right at the English base near Odessa. And there they showed two or three types of such devices, with different ranges and warhead power.
        1. -1
          20 February 2025 14: 12
          On prospective ships of the Russian Navy they will install ceramic armor and also electro-dynamic protection: this is the same ceramic armor in 4 layers, only also an electric capacitor and between them 3 metal plates on which a magnetic field will be created to destroy cumulative jets.
          The EDS will be reusable
          in addition, the thickness of 4 layers of ceramics 55 mm each made of boron nitride, 220 mm thick has the equivalent of steel armor of at least 480 mm
          1 sq.m. of EDS weighs only 600 kg.
          - this is more profitable than steel armor even at 100 mm equal to 750-800 kg
          1. +3
            20 February 2025 14: 40
            Why do they do this on ships? They are not hit by ATGMs, but by anti-ship missiles. They may have a cumulative pre-charge, but the kinetic energy, caliber and power of the warhead are such that no tricks will save the unarmored side. And no one has been building battleships for a long time.
            This can and should be done on tanks and heavy infantry fighting vehicles.
            1. +1
              20 February 2025 14: 44
              Why is this on ships?

              this is not a question for me
              - apparently, the EDS, with a combination of ceramics and a magnetic field, perfectly reflects and disperses the high-explosive impact of torpedoes, anti-ship missiles, advanced submarines, mines, and other underwater keel-mounted high-explosive devices
  3. + 25
    20 February 2025 04: 10
    "It seems to me like a very simple thing: They wanted to eat - and they ate Cook"
    If you have your own merchant fleet, just transport oil on it, do not use the "shadow fleet", that is, rusty tubs under the flag of the Cook Islands. If you have stolen your fleet and are critically dependent on the trade in raw materials, you use the "shadow fleet", then why are you going to war when you are not even able to cope, God forgive me, with Maidan Ukraine? If you went to war and now do not know how to get out of there, then why are you complaining about piracy? And to whom? You can write to the sports lottery. Maybe it will help.
    As for the Baltic Sea, thanks to Mr. Putin, who "knows how to conduct politics", Finland and Sweden have joined NATO not virtually like Ukraine, but in real life. Looking at the map, you can easily see that this is now their internal sea.
    What can be done here? You can complain to the new master of Russian "democratic patriots" Trump. Trump, come, restore order, cancel the sanctions.
    1. + 19
      20 February 2025 05: 02
      Quote: Belisarius
      Trump come, restore order, lift sanctions.

      Our home-grown RSPP are praying to Trump and waiting, waiting for manna from heaven....
      1. + 14
        20 February 2025 06: 27
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Our home-grown RSPP are praying to Trump and waiting, waiting for manna from heaven....

        Yes, for a week now the news has been all about Saint Trump. He will come and save us from the SVO and the evil Nazis, protect us from the terrible and hostile Gayropa, spread his hands over the clouds and lift the sanctions. And once again it will be possible to trade oil with the damned West.
        But we will also take care of the owner and his oil and the Arctic. Just don't leave us orphans.
        1. + 14
          20 February 2025 07: 22
          When you look at our media and TV, it feels like Trump is our president, everything depends on him. And we are like that same 404 in 2014 - oh Europe, oh USA, ugh damn...
          1. +5
            20 February 2025 09: 25
            Quote: Alexey 1970
            it all depends on him

            And we are included in the top twenty and the top seven, and in the second quarter American companies will return to Russia! We will eat poppies and drink cola - and happiness will come to us fellow
            1. +6
              20 February 2025 11: 26
              You know, 99% of the country's population is neither cold nor hot from the sale of cheap oil and the accompanying risks. A pittance of this income goes to the treasury
              Therefore, the more oil is sold on the domestic market, the cheaper the fuel will be (I would like it to be). Otherwise, the prices are completely out of control.
              And risking the Navy for the tugriks of transnational oil corporations is not much fun for the country. At least, that's how I see it.
              1. +2
                20 February 2025 13: 34
                Quote: Dart
                from the sale of cheap oil and the associated risks, 99% of the country's population is neither cold nor hot.

                In fact, no one has been trading cheap for a long time. And little is lost on the intermediaries servicing such transactions. China bought our oil last year at a higher price than the market. But it is likely that this is from the Arctic shelf deposits - especially light, it is always more expensive.
                Quote: Dart
                A tiny fraction of this income goes to the treasury.

                In fact, oil and gas provide 40 to 50% of budget revenues. This is not a pittance - this is the backbone of budget revenues. That's how Gaidar and Chubais arranged things for us.
                Quote: Dart
                But risking the Navy for the tugriks of transnational oil corporations is not much fun for the country.

                We are talking about OUR so-called Shadow Fleet. Which sails under the flags of different countries to evade sanctions, and it belongs to our companies. The ships were bought on the secondary market. So the ships are ours, and the oil is ours, and the income from its export all goes to the budget. It is not a sin to protect such things. But it is still better when your ships sail under the Russian flag, are registered in your ports and are under the full protection and guardianship of our State, Army and Navy.

                And for their impudence and piracy, Europe is still owed a contribution. And they won't get away with anything they've done in the last 11 years - they've been leading the whole world on the edge of the TMV for three years. A formal Suicide Club named after Soros and Queen Elizabeth.
          2. +2
            20 February 2025 14: 45
            Quote: Alexey 1970
            When you look at our media and TV, it feels like Trump is our president, everything depends only on him

            N-for independence smile
            But seriously, such slavish thinking of our Yeltsin-Putin "liberal patriots" is very sad. How much do you have to disbelieve in Russia and the Russians to run after them like a lapdog at the first wave of the hands of the damned "American imperialists".
            P.S. Besides all this, it is also stupid; working as Trump’s satellites would be a reasonable idea if there was confidence that he would defeat his enemies – the globalists in the West and the communists in the East.
            However, there is no such confidence, to put it mildly. I think that it will not win at all. And the Chinese communists and especially the world financial tycoons from the deep state are very vindictive people.
        2. -7
          20 February 2025 09: 54
          Quote: Belisarius
          Yes, for a week now the news has been all about Saint Trump. He will come and save us from the SVO and the evil Nazis, protect us from the terrible and hostile Gayropa, spread his hands over the clouds and lift the sanctions. And once again it will be possible to trade oil with the damned West.
          But we will also take care of the owner and his oil and the Arctic. Just don't leave us orphans.

          Enough of this foolishness. No one in Russia has any illusions about Trump.
          But Ukraine has now started having real problems with the White House demanding compensation for the money spent. wassat It's not "all over the world" anymore, but all hope is for the "Garden of Eden". Maybe they won't abandon us. crying
          1. -2
            20 February 2025 15: 02
            Quote: Askold65
            But now Ukraine has real problems with claims from the White House for the "money" spent. It's no longer "the whole world", but all hope is for the "Garden of Eden".

            As usual, you are very interested in Ukraine. Okay, let's talk about it. Ukraine hasn't developed problems, Maidan Ukraine is what it is. one big problem And first of all - for myself.
            Since 2014, after the armed coup d'etat, this territory has been controlled by the West (globalist, not Trumpists), it is deprived of subjectivity and is used simply as an object for various purposes.
            With the arrival of Trump, she just had hope, and in this regard, Trump is right when he says that the conditions of the ceasefire are very beneficial for Ukraine.
            The problem is that the Maidan authorities, whether Poroshenko or the Turchynovs and Zelenskys, have the same attitude towards the interests of Ukraine as Yeltsin and Putin had towards the interests of Russia, that is, none. And they have no intention of letting the Ukrainians out of this slaughter.
            1. -2
              20 February 2025 15: 39
              Quote: Belisarius
              It lacks subjectivity and is used simply as an object for various purposes.

              Ukraine itself did everything within the framework of “Ukraine is not Russia”, as anti-Russia, under the sensitive guidance of Western curators and its home-grown ideologists of the Bandera persuasion, in order to lose its subjectivity almost immediately after gaining independence in 1991.
              Quote: Belisarius
              With the arrival of Trump, she just had hope, and in this regard, Trump is right when he says that the conditions of the ceasefire are very beneficial for Ukraine.

              A ceasefire is not beneficial for the ruling (already illegitimate) elite of Ukraine. And not all of Ukrainian society, or rather its majority, is not ready to lose "its" territories.
              Then your thesis that in Russia they are only waiting for Trump’s mercy, according to your own logic, should apply to Ukraine. laughing
              But Zelensky has literally pissed off Trump and his administration with his latest statements. So we'll see.....
              Quote: Belisarius
              The problem is that the Maidan authorities, whether Poroshenko or the Turchynovs and Zelenskys, have the same attitude towards the interests of Ukraine as Yeltsin and Putin had towards the interests of Russia, that is, none. And they have no intention of letting the Ukrainians out of this slaughter.

              Zelensky and Company are a post, not the Maidan authorities, who were pushed away from the "trough", with subsequent repressions. Zelensky was not an active participant in the Maidan and even at one time spoke out in defense of his native Russian language and Donbass.
              Putin defends Russia's external interests, albeit with varying degrees of success, but his domestic policy is a disaster (which has nothing to do with Ukraine, but we are talking about that now, aren't we?)
              1. 0
                21 February 2025 00: 42
                Putin defends the interests of the Russian oligarchy against the oligarchy of the outskirts. The striped and impudent decided to get involved in this internal showdown of ours, dragging in the Russophobic EU, which will gain nothing from this except losses. What is their goal? We will see in the near future. I think we will all not like it very much.
                1. -3
                  21 February 2025 12: 20
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Putin defends the interests of the Russian oligarchy against the oligarchy of the outskirts.

                  This is a hackneyed refrain. Our Army came to defend the Russian Donbass, and before that Crimea, from Bandera's bastards. Behind whom was the Ukrainian oligarchy. Our oligarchs did not need Donbass at such a price of comprehensive sanctions against THEM, among other things. They lost SEVERAL times more than these ruins of enterprises.
                  1. -1
                    21 February 2025 15: 48
                    And "nationwide" support. The towers need to take care of their faces. They proclaim a social state and bonds. What was unavailable to our oligarchs on the outskirts, they have their own.
                    Our regular army did not poke its nose into Donbass (it is clear that there was no order) from 14 to 22. With the help of "vacationers", the Donetsk people stopped and ground up the Nazis. When almost all of Bandera found itself in a grandiose cauldron and the road to Kyiv was open, everyone was recalled from the Kremlin and the Donbass leaders were convinced to slow down. And after them, "luckily" for the towers, "Bandera terrorists" liquidated them all.
                    The same situation with Crimea. Russian Spring said no to Bandera, the towers got busy. And they are on top
                    Why the hell does the guarantor repeat time and again that Ukraine is sovereign and we (they are the towers) are ready for negotiations. Negotiations with whom, with the Nazis? After all, they are the ones in power there.
                    1. -1
                      21 February 2025 20: 54
                      Quote: Essex62
                      What was inaccessible to our oligarchs on the outskirts, they have their own.

                      That's the point... Our oligarchs didn't need to start a war to get such a dubious "asset" with subsequent consequences in the form of personal sanctions and confiscation of what they had earned "through hard work"... They were already living in luxury, so they couldn't get SUCH problems for themselves.

                      Quote: Essex62
                      When almost the entire Bandera found itself in a grand cauldron and the road to Kyiv was open

                      Well, you clearly exaggerated about the "grand cauldron" and the whole Bandera...
                      Quote: Essex62
                      And after that, in a “lucky” way for the towers, they were all liquidated by “Bandera terrorists”.

                      The leaders of Donbass at that time were field commanders of partisan detachments, each with their own ambitions.
                      They were offered to join the structures of the LPR and DPR republics. Those who were smarter understood everything right away, and those who did not, fell into disgrace, and so...
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Why the hell does the guarantor repeat time and again that Ukraine is sovereign and we (they are the towers) are ready for negotiations. Negotiations with whom, with the Nazis? After all, they are the ones in power there.

                      Negotiations about their capitulation. Although, personally, I think that it was necessary to start and conduct the SVO as harshly as possible from the very beginning. But Putin is a man of half measures. IN EVERYTHING.
                      1. -1
                        21 February 2025 23: 12
                        Everything started spontaneously there. They wanted it like Crimea, all at once. The godfather promised, but the brazen ones caught him. It's clear that most oligarchs don't care about the outskirts. But the fighters need to think about more than just their purses. They have an electorate on their necks. Well, and...
                        We didn't think at all about sanctions and the West getting involved in our internal squabbles. In fact, that's how it was at first.


                        By all of Bandera I meant all of their combat-ready, motivated formations. There weren't many of them then. The flywheel of ideology on the outskirts hadn't picked up speed yet and there were no people embittered by the deaths of their relatives. And all of this ended up in the cauldron. Finish them off and put an end to the village government. Putin didn't give it.

                        These were leaders who had the right to their own vision of the republic's fate. They had earned this right. Why did the towers think it was possible to impose their will on them? It was not a matter of ambition, they did not want to let in Russian profiteers and wild Russian capitalism.

                        There is no talk of any capitulation. I have never heard these words from him, but about preserving a sovereign Ukraine all the time. That is, preserving Bandera's power. The ideology there must be uprooted, and not replaced with Zelya. For this, the entire territory must be occupied, and the bearers of ideology must dangle in a noose.
                      2. -1
                        22 February 2025 16: 37
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Everything there started spontaneously. They wanted it like Crimea, in a rush.

                        Well, it started that way... Why not support the continuation of the "Russian Spring". Everything went one to one... Or was it not necessary? belay
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The flywheel of ideology on the outskirts had not yet picked up speed and there were no embittered people from the death of their relatives. And all this ended up in the cauldron.

                        The flywheel of the ideology "cut the Russians" was spinning on the Maidan and spread to Donbass. But they got it in the ass, and not without Russia's participation.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        These were leaders who had the right to their own vision of the republic's fate. They had earned this right. Why did the towers think it was possible to impose their will on them? It was not a matter of ambition, they did not want to let in Russian profiteers and wild Russian capitalism.

                        These leaders "with their own vision of the fate of the republics" were nothing without Moscow's support. Moscow needed a united front with clear leaders in the distribution of resources, and incomprehensible partisan warfare with its own concepts of resource distribution. These profiteers were in principle no different from Russian profiteers (who didn't need Donbass). But someone had to pay them for this "socialism". Like in Abkhazia?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There is no talk of any capitulation. I have never heard these words from him, but about preserving a sovereign Ukraine all the time. That is, preserving Bandera's power. The ideology there must be uprooted, and not replaced with Zelya. For this, the entire territory must be occupied, and the bearers of ideology must dangle in a noose.

                        Russia doesn't need all their territory. We need to return what was given to them. Although there will be work with Bandera ideology on Russian lands for years to come. We need very tough measures, and not these liberal weaklings of ours.
                      3. -1
                        22 February 2025 23: 40
                        That's not how it should have been. Kum promised to get busy and stir up a coup from within. Why not run to Kuev? And the kum was immediately arrested by the small-minded and Bandera supporters.
                        What support for the "Russian Spring" are we talking about? Where are the oligarchs and where is this spring? They simply cannot understand it. No, the words are beautiful and binding, that's fine. They can do that.

                        That's almost all that "cut the Russians" in the cauldron and ended up. The Russian population of the outskirts did not have such sentiments. Well, why all of a sudden? The bosses fled in 91, divided the Empire into principalities. The people remained the same. The Selyuks had to work hard to format it to their ideology. But when the missiles flew and the coffins of the mobiles went, then the reason appeared.
                        In order to subjugate everything and everyone, the Banderas needed time. And they were given it.

                        The Towers needed a united front? You're kidding. There's nothing to say. request How many years did it fly through Donetsk, let me remind you?
                        Of course, why do the citizens of the region, who defended their land with their blood, suddenly have the right to build their life as they want? When the father of the oligarchs sits in Moscow and dictates the rules. He supported the "Russian Spring", yeah. By recognizing the Bandera coup. Instead of strangling it right away, in the bud. And all because this government inherited the one that divided the country into appanage principalities. It does not consider the outskirts its own and does not consider the Russians living there its own.
                      4. -1
                        24 February 2025 10: 28
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Kum promised to get busy and stir up a coup from within. Why not run to Kuev? And the kum was immediately arrested by the small-minded and Bandera supporters.

                        Who did you promise? These are OBS rumors.
                        But even if that's the case, then rely on your godfather, but don't be lazy yourself... On the Outskirts there were so many "godfathers" with promises of support -- like dogs that haven't been killed.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        What support for the "Russian Spring" are we talking about? Where are the oligarchs and where is this spring? Eh

                        Spring separately. Oligarchs separately.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        That's almost everything that "cut the Russians" ended up in the cauldron.

                        No. It didn't turn out that way. It turned out to be poorly trained and poorly motivated Ukrainian Armed Forces. That's why they ended up there, actually...
                        Western Banderaism, the main ideologist of "cut the Russians", was almost not present there, but "Azov" grew to a regiment.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The bosses fled in 91, divided the Empire into principalities. The people remained the same. The Selyuks had to work hard to format it to their ideology.

                        No, the people were already different. stop Kharkov of 1922 and Kharkov of 1991 are two very different things. And even more so Kharkov of 2014...
                        The creation of "Azov" began on April 13, 2014, according to the decision of the then Minister of Internal Affairs Avakov. The gang was created on the basis of the Kharkiv neo-Nazi paramilitary organization "Patriot of Ukraine" (banned in the Russian Federation), which had been flourishing for several years under the wing of the same Avakov, who was then the chairman of the Kharkiv Regional State Administration.

                        Kharkov "ultras" took part in the burning of the Odessa House of Trade Unions, including . Yes
                        Quote: Essex62
                        But when the rockets started flying and the coffins of the mobiles started moving, then a reason appeared.

                        This is the favorite cartoon of the outskirts of the city: "And what about us?!" FOR LAYING DOWN UNDER BANDERA!!!!! am
                        Those who didn't want to -- went to Donbass, Russia and Belarus. The rest started shouting "glory to Ukraine" and believing in the holy "visa-free regime".

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Did the Towers need a united front?

                        That's right. It's easier to work with a single Center than with disparate bands of partisans with their own controlled territories. No matter what slogans they hide behind. Nobody in Donbas needed a walk-in.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        How many years did it fly through Donetsk, let me remind you?

                        After Minsk, there were significantly fewer flights than now in Russian cities. Many times over.....
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Of course, why is it that the citizens of the region, who defended their land with their blood, suddenly have the right to build their lives as they want?

                        The citizens of the region defended their land in MANY ways thanks to "Northern Wind", which supported their choice - to be together with Russia. And all these years received financial and military aid from Russia. What do oligarchs have to do with it?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Having recognized the Bandera coup. Instead of strangling it immediately, in the bud.

                        It is not for us to judge what happened there. Moscow did not need Ukraine to hang a yoke around its neck with an embittered population dreaming of lacy Euro-trousers. Throw this nonsense out of your head about "one people" and it will be easier for you to analyze the past events. hi
                      5. -1
                        24 February 2025 12: 09
                        I don't agree at all. And what does it mean, not one people? One - Russian. There are no Ukrainians in nature. That's what we should proceed from. And from the fact that the oligarchs are the fighters in the towers. The main ones, and all sorts of Abramovichs, they are already smaller, because they lost the fight for the pipe to the St. Petersburg, or rather Leningrad, brothers. I don't give a damn about the media's tricks, I've been observing all this with my own eyes for more than thirty years.
                      6. -1
                        24 February 2025 15: 40
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And what does it mean not one nation? One - Russian. There are no Ukrainians in nature. That is what we should proceed from.

                        This is a Ukrainianized (cool) Vyrus. Having forgotten what kind of tribe it is. This is where we should proceed from, and it is painful to treat them for this. angry The most rotten cities are Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk. And now the beauty of Odessa, captured by the Roguli. They are not much inferior to the Westerners in their hatred of the "Muscovites". One such "Odessa resident" was stabbed to death by our Yakut Hero.
                        Westerners are a Russophobic contingent that has long been incurable at the genetic level. Treating them is just a waste of time and money...
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And from the fact that the oligarchs are the fighters in the towers

                        Once again, the oligarchs don't need Ukraine seized by force for free. Because for them it is a "toxic" asset, as they say. "The headaches" and losses from the inevitable sanctions will be many times greater. Don't consider them stupider than you. These guys know the price of trouble... A typical example - Gref categorically refused to work with Crimea and no one was in a hurry to invest in the regions of Donbass under his control either...
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The main ones, and all those Abramovichs, are already smaller ones, because they lost the fight for the pipe to the St. Petersburg, or rather Leningrad, brothers.

                        What does the "won battle" for the pipeline have to do with the events in Donbass?
                      7. -1
                        24 February 2025 18: 11
                        Hatred clouds your mind. There are Russian people there and they need to be returned to Russian civilization. Those who are hiding need to be saved, those who have been deceived and offended need to be treated with a single linguistic, state and cultural space. When we were torn apart by a profiteering coup into appanage principalities, we collapsed into the Middle Ages. Brother against brother, that is exactly what the enemy was trying to achieve. Russia has always been strong in its Imperial unity. At all times they tried to dismember it, tear off its outskirts, but it always brought the lost to the desired denominator. There are very few of us anymore. How can we maintain such a huge territory if we scatter people of the same blood as us? Yes, there is a percentage of incurables, but only a percentage.

                        And what am I telling you? Precisely, our Kremlin oligarchs don't need the outskirts. But you don't want to believe it. request
                      8. -2
                        24 February 2025 19: 33
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Hatred clouds your mind. There are Russian people there and they need to be returned to Russian civilization.

                        And how should I treat traitors? Understand them and forgive them?
                        Until they themselves understand what they have done, there is no point in treating them. And many do not need it at all, they consider themselves "Europeans". We have such people, especially among the youth, too - intentionally. Until we have a clear state ideology and a system of education of youth and elites in our country, all these words of yours are just good wishes.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        When we were torn apart by a profiteering coup into appanage principalities, we collapsed into the Middle Ages. Brother against brother, that's exactly what the enemy was trying to achieve.

                        We were torn apart by the Bolsheviks and communists when they created the Ukrainian SSR and the Byelorussian SSR. It wasn't for nothing that I wrote to you that Kharkov in 1922 and Kharkov in 1991 were two very different things. It was a Russian city, it became Ukrainian, and after 1991 it became Bandera and Nazi.
                        And in Belarus there are already more than enough zmagars.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And what am I telling you? Precisely, our Kremlin oligarchs don't need the outskirts. But you don't want to believe it.

                        That's what I told you from the very beginning. No.
                        But you claimed that the conflict took place because of the "oligarchs". Then for some reason you also brought in "Kum". request
                        Putin defends the interests of the Russian oligarchy against the oligarchy of the outskirts. The striped and impudent decided to get involved in this internal showdown of ours, dragging in the Russophobic EU,

                        Just decide whether you need it or not?
                        Ukraine or Ukrainians can be returned to Russia in only one way - by creating a prosperous, beautiful and strong Russia. And what do they see - streams of Islamic migrants and chaos in the country....
                      9. -2
                        25 February 2025 09: 10
                        It was hard to find a more Russian city than Kharkov, as well as a more Jewish city than Odessa in the Ukrainian SSR. We had no differences. We were all citizens of the great USSR. And nationalism was suppressed. Yeah, the Bolsheviks are to blame. fool What allowed first the run-up to national norms, and then the Civil War. Everything we have today is a consequence of the huckster coup and wild capitalism in the vast expanses of the Union. This chaos was arranged by the power of the huckster, the power of the oligarchs.

                        I agree with the latter completely. Only with the bourgeois power this is impossible. Russia will not prosper with thieves and usurers.
                      10. -1
                        25 February 2025 12: 44
                        Quote: Essex62
                        It was difficult to find a more Russian city than Kharkov, as well as a more Jewish city than Odessa in the Ukrainian SSR.

                        The history of Russian Kharkov ended in 1922. Which over the last 100 years has turned into Russophobic Kharkov.
                        Odessa, founded by Russians, was a multinational RUSSIAN-SPEAKING city of Odessans. Now it is a city of Western Roguli Odessans, multilingual Odessans.
                        The most Jewish city (town) in Ukraine is Uman.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        We were all citizens of the great USSR. And nationalism was suppressed. Yeah, the Bolsheviks are to blame.

                        Citizenship is one thing, and nationality is another. These concepts should not be confused. The USSR was divided into national republics, with their own communist parties, national flags and coats of arms. Moreover, some Russian regions were pushed into some republics (Ukraine, Kazakhstan) "with the best of intentions", where Russians were pressed at the everyday level in this very USSR on the basis of nationality. Including within the framework of the RSFSR, when Russian regions were included in the national autonomies of the republics of the North Caucasus. In the Russian Empire there were provinces, without any "national burrows".
                        "Nationalism was suppressed in the USSR" -- Aha. But it didn't go away and they didn't talk about it on Soviet TV. And it burst out immediately after the collapse of the USSR.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Everything we have today is a consequence of the huckster coup and wild capitalism in the vast expanses of the Union. This chaos was created by the power of the huckster, the power of the oligarchs.

                        This coup did not happen by itself, but as a result of the degradation of the Soviet gerontocracy and the betrayal of the "members" of the CPSU. Traders and oligarchs simply seized control in these troubled times, bringing to power a comprador elite from these very former "members". And the population, tired of stupid ideology and deficit, bought into the picture of "capitalism with a human face".
                      11. -1
                        25 February 2025 16: 58
                        No matter how many times I visited the eastern regions of the Ukrainian SSR, I never saw Russians being pressured. Stop reciting perestroika nonsense here.

                        Of course, the coup did not happen by itself. Coups never happen by themselves. Everything happened exactly as you wrote, only does it cancel out what I wrote. This new bourgeoisie has brought the country to the state of a raw materials appendage of everyone around. Including the poor of yesterday, China and India.

                        And there is nothing stupid in communist ideology. There were stupid and indifferent "interpreters". Who instantly changed their shoes and today sing the praises of the ideology of the golden calf.

                        In general, nothing good can be expected. A deal on Trump's terms. According to which we renounce the fact that we are an Empire, surrender our territories (up to the border with the Poles) to the Americans for plunder and destruction of everything Russian on the outskirts. And in a few years we get an even more difficult war.
                      12. -1
                        25 February 2025 21: 08
                        Quote: Essex62
                        No matter how many times I visited the eastern regions of the Ukrainian SSR, I never saw Russians being pressured. Stop reciting perestroika nonsense here.

                        I'm not so much talking about the eastern lands of Ukraine (although even then they considered themselves, for the most part, Ukrainians), but about Kazakhstan and the North Caucasus, if we're talking about annexed Russian territories. In Ukraine, Russians, including those from eastern Ukraine, were pressed in the Western Ukraine. The Westerners themselves were annexed to Ukraine in 1939, who, in the end, pulled their Bandera blanket over the rest of Ukraine.....
                        In the entire Union, Russians were treated as brothers only in Belarus. In the rest - in the Baltics, the Caucasus, Western Ukraine, Central Asia, to put it mildly, it was not entirely clear. "Occupiers"...we are for them.
                        It is you who are carrying Soviet nonsense about the "friendship of the fraternal peoples" of the Soviet Union. Yes
                        Quote: Essex62
                        This new bourgeoisie has brought the country to the state of a raw materials appendage of everyone around it. Including the only yesterday poor China and India.

                        India is a country of contrasts. From rich areas to such poverty that you will rarely see anywhere else..... Maybe in Africa.
                        So that you don't feel so sad, here are some countries that are considered the most developed, from the list of "raw material appendages": USA, Canada, Australia, Norway, Sweden, China also sells rare earths. But in vain do you think that extracting raw materials is as easy as picking buns from a tree. Do you even imagine WHAT kind of technologies they use there?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And there is nothing stupid in communist ideology.

                        This is a utopia. Communism assumed the education of a new formation of man, but this is complete nonsense and wet dreams.
                        idealists. fool
                        Quote: Essex62
                        A deal on Trump's terms. According to which we renounce the fact that we are an Empire, surrender our territories (up to the border with the Poles) to the Americans for plunder and destruction of everything Russian on the outskirts. And in a few years we get an even more difficult war.

                        Has Trump already put forward any conditions? belay
                        You still have some kind of phantom pains about "Russian Ukraine", but it hasn't existed for a long time. We need to preserve what is left and what can still be preserved.
                      13. -1
                        25 February 2025 22: 43
                        Well, yes, there was no friendship of peoples in the Union. The Russians single-handedly pulled out the Great Patriotic War, and all the others were hanging on them like weights, preventing the occupiers from winning. negative


                        The easiest thing is to pump out what belongs to everyone, including the next generations. Push it on the market and shove the margin into your pocket. Well, a very difficult task. Simply unmanageable. negative

                        Of course, through education. If we clean out such "smart guys", normal people will revive socialism and build communism.

                        Trump is the last spoke in the wheel. There are tougher fixers there and the task is always the same - to dismember us and strangle us.
                        I don't have phantom pains, phantom pains are when they cut you off completely, and this is a temporary phenomenon. The Russian people, in alliance with other peoples, will definitely revive the empire. Soviet, socialist.
                      14. -1
                        26 February 2025 09: 54
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Well, yes, there was no friendship of peoples in the Union. The Russians single-handedly pulled out the Great Patriotic War, and all the others were hanging on them like weights, preventing the occupiers from winning.

                        They did not interfere, but helped to the best of their abilities. Mainly human. But at that time, they were quite modest. 80% of the personnel at the WWII front were Slavs. I am not even talking about the fact that the entire industrial potential was on the shoulders of Russian regions.
                        The brothers themselves, brought to the front, often did not understand Russian, nor why they were brought there. You apparently are not aware of the phenomenon of "national" divisions.
                        During wartime, and sometimes during maneuvers, it was discovered that such units were only conditionally combat-ready: their combat training was low, there was no cultural adaptation, regulations were not observed, but everyone unanimously demanded that national customs be observed, right down to the deployment of a national field kitchen.
                        In the combined arms units of the Crimean Front on the Taman Peninsula, in which there were many natives of Transcaucasia, all the negative consequences of the mixing of nationalities were fully evident. Armenians, Georgians and Azerbaijanis spent the autumn and winter in difficult climatic conditions and with poor supplies. Fellowships began to form, with a subsequent set of serious crimes: desertion, self-mutilation, looting. All this was aggravated by heavy losses during an unsuccessful attempt at a counteroffensive with the crossing of the Kerch Strait on boats and rafts.
                        Veterans of the Great Patriotic War told me about this, that the contingent of national minorities was poorly educated and poorly managed. Especially in the first years of the war.
                        Or the situation in the rear, in Chechnya, when in 1944 they had to carry out Operation Lentil. But now the Chechens tell how they "fought" for the USSR. Aha...
                        Occupied Ukraine from autumn 1941 to autumn 1943 actually worked for the German economy. A veteran, a participant of the Great Patriotic War, told me the following phrase: "There were no such number of traitors as in Ukraine, especially in Western Ukraine."
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The easiest thing is to pump out what belongs to everyone, including the next generations. Push it on the market and shove the margin into your pocket. Well, a very difficult task. Simply unmanageable.

                        I told you that technologically it is OH so difficult. And then to deliver it thousands of kilometers to the sales markets.
                        In the market, you also have to jostle with a lot of competitors before you can put the margin in your pocket. Yes
                        You somehow miss the fact that Russia's budget is more than half made up of this margin and it is used by the current generation.
                        By the way, the communists and Bolsheviks also started selling the “national treasure of the next generations.”
                        Raw materials have been traded, are being traded and will be traded on world markets by EVERYONE who has them!

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Of course, through education. If we clean out such "smart guys", normal people will revive socialism and build communism.

                        Blah-blah-blah.... MAN IS INCORRECTABLE.
                        We need a system of educating elites that will lead the crowd of "demos"? But who will do it?
                        Someone said (roughly): in difficult times strong leaders come who create a good life. A good life creates weak people. Weak people bring the country to difficult times. laughing

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Trump is the last spoke in the wheel.

                        Then what does "Trump's conditions" have to do with it? belay
                        In the US, these "fixers" can't come to an agreement among themselves. They'll probably bring their country to ruin. lol
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I don't have phantom pains, phantom pains are when they cut you off completely, and this is a temporary phenomenon. The Russian people, in alliance with other peoples, will definitely revive the empire. Soviet, socialist.

                        Do you dream of reviving the Soviet Union? On Russian territory? Apparently, for this purpose, hordes of southern "brothers" are being brought here for "friendship"? Do you dream of putting them on our necks again? No, that's enough! stop Died, so died ....
                        WE NEED TO DEAL WITH RUSSIA, and the rest will come running themselves. But on OUR terms, and not in an eternal pose for THEM - what do you wish, our dear brothers... Ъ".
                      15. -1
                        26 February 2025 10: 21
                        That's right, the Slavs bore the brunt of the Great Patriotic War. The so-called Ukrainians, South Russians, Belarusians and some percentage of the rest. But they began to run away when things got tough and, as part of the USSR, they made their contribution to the Victory. The Uzbeks toiled in the cotton fields for half a day or more. They helped the front in many ways. Why did you write about the Westerners? They were annexed before the war, where would Soviet people come from among the Polish peasants who understood what they were fighting for?

                        Not the so-called elites, but the citizens themselves create the world they live in. Do you consider people a herd? Is man incorrigible? This is only your opinion, with a bad smell. They very effectively corrected the centuries-old dross of the tsarist-priestly Russian Empire and dampened religious fanaticism.

                        I am not suggesting that we force the SA "republics" onto us. They will come running themselves, you are right. I am talking about the abolition of capitalism in the united Slavic republics, possibly in the Caucasus and Transcaucasia and a buffer with a hard press in the Baltics.

                        What the Bolsheviks sold from the resources was a drop in comparison with what the communist bourgeoisie sells under the leadership of the oligarchic power of the usurpers. Their entire "economy" is built on this.
                      16. -1
                        26 February 2025 11: 49
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Why did you write about the Westerners? They were annexed before the war, where would Soviet people who understand what they are fighting for come from among the Polish peasants?

                        Formally, they were citizens of the USSR. But I meant more about Asians and the Caucasus. Over these 20 years, they, former serfs of local feudal lords or descendants of highland bandits, also did not have time to turn into Soviet people.
                        By the way, the front of the allies of the Western coalition was helped by all their colonies. So the Senegalese and Indians are also winners in this war.


                        Quote: Essex62
                        It is not the so-called elites, but the citizens themselves who create the world in which they live.

                        No, you are very much mistaken. Citizens themselves without leaders cannot create anything. They are simply an uncontrollable crowd.
                        You will now start preaching liberal theses that the "Soviet people" won the war, despite the "bloody regime"... This is true, but only partly. The Soviet people fought and worked under the leadership of the Soviet Stalinist elite, which grew up and was tempered in the conditions of class struggle.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        They very efficiently corrected the centuries-old rot of the tsarist-priestly Russian Empire and dampened religious fanaticism.

                        The Russian Empire was created under tsars and tsarinas from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean. We still use the legacy of our ancestors, which was restored by the Bolsheviks after the revolution and the Civil War, and which was destroyed by the communists after the Great Patriotic War... ("quality corrected" what )

                        Quote: Essex62
                        What the Bolsheviks sold from the resources was a drop in the bucket compared to what the Communist bourgeoisie sells.

                        And how many resources were allocated to support “brotherly socialist regimes” for “peace throughout the world”?
                        We ourselves choked in lines for sausage and toilet paper, but our "brothers" did not need anything (The standard of living in the RSFSR was one of the lowest in the Soviet Union, maybe only in Central Asia, and not everywhere.)
                      17. -1
                        26 February 2025 12: 07
                        Thank you very much, laughing Stalinist and Bolshevik will propagate liberal values. If they nailed him, they nailed him. Only Stalin's USSR is first and foremost a people's government, a government of the working man. And you want to revive Russia with a shopkeeper's dictatorship. Or not? You are like in the film Chapaev "Chapaev, who are you for, the Bolsheviks, or the Communists..." What the hell were the Communists who destroyed? Where did you see Communists-Bolsheviks (these concepts are inseparable)? Reversals - careerists, ready-made nouveau riche.

                        In my youth I had to travel a lot around the Union, I did not notice any particular difference in the standard of living, except for the "showcase of socialism". With Moscow yes, but in general it was the same. Everywhere because of the deficit, arranged by traders (they hid the goods) and not natural because there was none, we were crushed in lines.

                        Regarding the resources taken out, not everything is so clear. The empire must pay for its imperiality, these expenses are necessary in the confrontation with other empires.
                      18. -1
                        26 February 2025 12: 44
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Thank you very much, a Stalinist and a Bolshevik will promote liberal values

                        Not values, but theses. You have problems with text perception. Yes
                        Quote: Essex62
                        You are like in the film Chapaev "Chapaev, who are you for, the Bolsheviks, or the communists..." What the hell communists destroyed? Where did you see communists-Bolsheviks (the concepts are inseparable) there?

                        Where did the communists disappear to when the turncoat Gorbachev came to power? belay
                        And who were Khrushchev and Brezhnev?
                        I remember a joke from the USSR: the Bolsheviks died in the civil war, the communists fell in the Great Patriotic War, and now only "members" are left... laughing It was these "members of the CPSU" who destroyed the Union.
                        Here's an example of one dynasty - the Golikovs-Gaidars:
                        Arkady Gaidar was a Bolshevik of the Civil War who died in WWII.
                        His son, Timur Arkadyevich, is a rear admiral and submariner.
                        And Arkady's grandson, Yegorushka Gaidar, a representative of the "golden" Soviet youth, a convinced Western liberal.
                        This is how the degradation of elites occurs. Only the speed of the Soviet one is impressive - in just 70 years.
                        For example, Sparta existed for more than 400 centuries, the Roman Empire for 500 years, and the Russian Empire for 200 years.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        , I didn't notice any particular difference in the standard of living, except for the "showcase of socialism". With Moscow, yes, but overall it's the same thing.

                        In addition to the "showcase of socialism" in the Baltics, there was Transcaucasia, where they poured in immeasurable amounts of money and where life was not bad, especially in the conditions of their climate.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Everywhere, due to shortages caused by traders (they hid goods) and not natural ones because there were none, people were crushed in lines.

                        This is a post-perestroika tale. There simply weren't enough quality consumer goods for everyone. But there was a ton of "planned economy" junk (shoes that said "goodbye youth" and bologna raincoats in the fashion of the last decade). laughing ).
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Regarding the resources taken out, not everything is so clear. The empire must pay for its imperiality, these expenses are necessary in the confrontation with other empires.

                        So we paid... And now these recipients of subsidies demand that we repent for our "imperialism" and "occupation"... And they don't owe us anything anymore.
        3. +2
          20 February 2025 12: 27
          Quote: Belisarius
          Yes, for a week now, the news has been all about Saint Trump.

          And it's not surprising - all of Europe is shaking, and the Sumerian politicians are already sending him to hell (where the Russian ship is too) (Bezuglaya). Happy times.
          And how can we not quote him, if he called Zelensky and the entire regime illegitimate and incapable of negotiations, demands the money back with interest (500 billion), negotiates a meeting with Putin. And not a word about a "ceasefire" or "freezing along the front line". Now all we hear from him is the hope that the war will be stopped by the end of the year (!).
          And where would the Banderas be without American funding?
          And in Germany there are elections in a few days.
          And our troops have already entered the Sumy region. And it seems like the Dnepropetrovsk region.
          Trump demands that Zelensky and Co. resign and hold elections so that there will be someone to sign the debt obligations and capitulation... Did anyone expect this?
          I assumed that he would act exactly like this and wrote about it about a month ago. Based on my own goals and objectives. But did anyone believe in this?
          So Trump deservedly takes first place in the news agenda. And how our diplomats and other representatives of the towers will turn this to their advantage request it depends only on them.
          Quote: Belisarius
          Once again, oil can be traded with the damned West.

          Yes, they are still trading, only there is noise, though through intermediaries. The problem is that you can’t buy anything for this money in Europe now, and again through intermediaries you have to be sophisticated. With your own production, everything is still tough - they have forgotten how, quadrober-managers only know how to master cash flows, production frightens and upsets them.
          Quote: Belisarius
          We too will take care of the owner and give him oil and the Arctic.

          Trump has his own Arctic in his plans - to annex Canada and Greenland. There he has oil, and all sorts of resources, and shelf deposits. But it turns out that now the main problem and obstacle for both Trump and the Russian Federation is Europe. And something needs to be done about this.
          Maybe they'll come up with something.
          Some people say that Trump will come to Moscow by May 10, or at most May 15. Or maybe even on May 9.
          Quote: Belisarius
          Just don't abandon us orphans.

          laughing Well, everyone has their own emotions, for some it’s hard without ham and they can’t relax in Nice.
          1. +2
            20 February 2025 18: 55
            Quote: bayard
            Trump demands that Zelensky and Co. resign and hold elections so that there will be someone to sign the debt obligations and capitulation... Did anyone expect this?

            I never argue with you. You are a holy man. The amount of work you put into your long, numerous messages is something. And they are all basically about one thing. Everything is good and for the best in this best of all possible worlds. It was like this 3 years ago, a year ago, or now.
            It's simply a sin to argue with such impenetrable optimism. I always say - let it be as bayard says. It has never come true yet, but I do not lose faith.
            P.S. I'll note in passing that Trump's actions were not just predictable, he spoke about them directly a year ago. His main enemies are the globalists. His lesser enemies are the Chinese communists. He doesn't need a conflict in Ukraine, but he really does need to use the Russian authorities as useful shabez goys against his opponents. He doesn't need Zelensky, a protégé of his enemies.
            The same thing that you call "capitulation" presupposes excellent conditions for Maidan Ukraine, legally it generally retains all its territories. Another thing is that Zelensky and Co. do not even agree to this. Their task is not to let the Russian Federation out and to let its blood.
            1. -1
              20 February 2025 19: 13
              Quote: Belisarius
              The same thing that you call "capitulation" suggests excellent conditions for a Maidan Ukraine.

              Continuation of the war at least until the end of this year (Trump's latest statement), withdrawal of funding, demands to sign $500 billion in debt obligations and a promise to put him and the SBU leadership in the electric chair for the murder of an American journalist? Are these really great conditions?
              Quote: Belisarius
              legally, it retains all of its territories.

              Legally, Trump said that there is no legitimate government in Ukraine and that “Ukraine will become Russia.”
              Quote: Belisarius
              Their task is not to let the Russian Federation out and to let it bleed.

              Russia's task is to solve the problems of the SVO, no matter how much the restless "pessimists" laugh at this. And Patrushev said that by the end of the year the b\u will no longer be on the political map of this world.
              The SVO continues, but the used equipment has already been removed from the US allowance.
              There are elections in Germany in a few days. After which funding from Germany will also be stopped.
              Or do you think that after Trump was sent to hell, he will continue to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with intelligence information, satellite support and will not turn off Starlink?
              Quote: Belisarius
              Their task is not to let the Russian Federation out and to let it bleed.

              And our task is to make “Ukraine” Russia again.
      2. +1
        20 February 2025 11: 25
        Our home-grown RSPP are praying to Trump and waiting, waiting for manna from heaven....
        Wait 3-4 months. Trump will demonstrate with his actions the complete opposite of his words. These same people will start screaming that they always knew he was a nasty piece of shit! It's happened so many times, but they still can't see beyond their own smartphone.
        1. +2
          20 February 2025 13: 07
          Quote: AKuzenka
          How many times has this happened?

          This is called dancing on a rake...
    2. -4
      20 February 2025 05: 35
      Is it okay that there are about 50 countries on the side of "Maidan" Ukraine? Well, there are supplies of weapons, ammunition, ammunition? What can you tell us about the production of "Leopard", "Abrams", "Challenger" tanks in the vast expanses of Nezamozhnaya? And about the F-16 and "Mirage" aircraft? About the PzH2000 and "Caesar"? Well, and so on, down the list...
      1. + 17
        20 February 2025 06: 17
        Quote: Grencer81
        Is it okay that there are about 50 countries on the side of "Maidan" Ukraine? Well, there are supplies of weapons, ammunition, ammunition? What can you tell us about the production of "Leopard", "Abrams", "Challenger" tanks in the vast expanses of Nezamozhnaya?

        Is it true that at the time of the Maidan attack in Ukraine there was none of the above?
        It's just that if you attack a country, whose government and territorial integrity you recognize, and then on the 3rd day of the operation you begin negotiations with this very government, then they start looking at you as if you were insane. And if you then also start complaining that the insidious enemy government also deceived you with the negotiations, then in addition, as if you were clowns, oh, excuse me, as if you were "great geopoliticians"
        But that's only your problem, just as it's only your problem if you use a "shadow fleet" under foreign jurisdiction for semi-underground oil trading.
        1. 0
          20 February 2025 10: 14
          Quote: Belisarius
          Is it true that at the time of the Maidan attack in Ukraine there was none of the above?

          At the time of the attack of post-Maidan Ukraine there was still quite a lot of Soviet heritage to fight off the "eastern orcs" for 3-4 months. And then - that's it... But then "caring people with bright faces" lent their shoulder.
          Quote: Belisarius
          It’s just that if you attack a country whose government and territorial integrity you recognize, and then on the 3rd day of the operation you begin negotiations with that same government, then people start looking at you as if you’re insane.

          We simply attacked a country that was preparing for war against republics friendly to us. In essence, following the "Georgian scenario", only this time we decided to strike first, since a fight was inevitable.
          The negotiations began in the hope that the Kyiv leadership would be sane, so as not to aggravate the situation even more. Like, let's agree on the bad, because the good will be even worse.... But yes, that was a mistake. In the style of Putin's half measures. IN EVERYTHING...
          Quote: Belisarius
          But that's only your problem, just as it's only your problem if you use a "shadow fleet" under foreign jurisdiction for semi-underground oil trading.

          The West buys this semi-underground oil and semi-underground LNG quite semi-underground (against its own sanctions). The problem is different - under what international law is it going to seize (and is seizing) oil and oil products with documents belonging to third countries?
          1. +6
            20 February 2025 10: 38
            At the time of the attack in post-Maidan Ukraine, there was still quite a lot of Soviet heritage left,

            I remember 2014, when a Niva car chased Ukrainian tanks. I also remember 2022, when our military hardware passed through Ukrainian cities and no one dared to utter a word. It could have all ended quickly, but someone, you don’t know who, ordered a retreat.
          2. 0
            20 February 2025 11: 34
            The problem is different - on the basis of what international law is he going to seize (and is seizing) oil and oil products based on documents belonging to third countries?
            They will pass the laws they need and will confiscate. The Russian Federation's money has essentially been confiscated, but according to the law they will "use" it. And they will think of something with the tankers. The capitalists have a wealth of experience in confiscating other people's property for personal use in a "legal" way.
            1. -1
              20 February 2025 13: 50
              Quote: AKuzenka
              They will pass the laws they need and will confiscate. RF money

              This is all we need. Because in the Russian Federation, since 25.02.2022, all assets of Western banks have been frozen, both in accounts and payments from creditors. And everything is accumulated in several specially created accounts in state banks of the Russian Federation. In total, only the financial resources of Western financial institutions have been frozen for at least 700-750 billion dollars. These funds are now used as working capital for our enterprises at a low/symbolic interest rate.
              Other assets of Western companies and private investors in Russia are still approximately the same amount at least (or 1,5-2 times more). All this will be immediately confiscated if Western countries dare to appropriate our money under any pretext. And we really want, we are waiting impatiently for them to do this. Because we will immediately receive several times more.
              This is precisely and only for this reason that Western countries are afraid as if they were on fire to encroach on our money, entrusted to them. And those who scream about "it must be confiscated" are the hysterics from countries where our money is NOT, and whose investments in Russia are small.
              1. 0
                20 February 2025 16: 27
                These funds are now used as working capital for our enterprises at a low/symbolic interest rate.
                I just don't believe in it and that's it. Bargaining item - yes! Stealing - yes! But using for good - I don't believe in it. Russian officials don't have such a practice.
                1. +4
                  20 February 2025 17: 39
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  Bargainable item - yes!

                  Of course, these were mirror actions to arrest our assets.
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  Steal - yes!

                  NO! Even European quad bikes have not yet decided to do this (in relation to our money).
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  But I don't believe in using it for good. Russian officials don't have such a practice.

                  These funds are accumulated in special accounts in rubles. In state banks. And they are used like any money from deposits for lending. These funds are for lending to defense, strategic enterprises and national projects, as loans for a limited period. And as working capital.
                  Or do you think that our reserves in Western financial institutions are not in circulation? How would interest on deposits be calculated on them? For what? This is normal banking practice.
                  And all this money is loans from our enterprises taken from Western banks as working capital.
                  Russia was simply forbidden to lend to its own enterprises, industry, business, citizens. All of this was given over to Western banks through their control and financial center in the Russian Federation - the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Now the Russian government has quite considerable funds for independent lending. Which the government uses.
                  Why do you think there was economic growth in the Russian Federation in 2022 and 2023? Despite the flight of many companies, which turned entire industries into a pile-up? The auto industry, for example?
                  That is why Western bankers have categorically forbidden touching the assets of the Russian Federation, arrested in the West. Because they will lose at least 2,5 times more at once. And if their shares in leading Russian companies are also arrested, and production and other assets under trust management (from the "Russian" so-called oligarchs), then they will lose a total of about 2 trillion. That is why we are waiting for their ill-considered move with such lust - the jackpot is too big. And it can be divided correctly later.
                  1. 0
                    21 February 2025 08: 39
                    Why do you think there was economic growth in the Russian Federation in 2022 and 2023? Despite the flight of many companies, which turned entire industries into a pile-up? The auto industry, for example?
                    There was no economic growth. Economic growth is accompanied by a decrease in inflation and, accordingly, a decrease in prices, an increase in wages that exceeds inflation. None of this happened.. Since 2022, prices for some goods and services have increased by 70-100%. For example, travel on public transport: buses, commuter trains. And this is not taken from liberal sites, but from personal expenses. And statistical data, however you turn it, so it will be. Well, maybe something has become cheaper, by 5-10%, for example, Maybachs and luxury housing. Maybe. I do not follow their prices, but the statistics are prepared by officials who use them, they know better.
                    1. +3
                      21 February 2025 11: 04
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      Economic growth is accompanied by a decrease in inflation and, accordingly, a decrease in prices, and an increase in wages that exceeds inflation. None of this happened.

                      This is not always the case, often economic growth (real) occurs against the backdrop of inflation, but at the same time, economic growth outpaces inflation. In our country, in 2022 and partly in 2023, real economic growth was due to the growth of world energy prices, which, together with the abolition of the "budget rule", gave a sharp increase in budget revenues and in GDP as a whole. Despite some industries that came to a standstill (automotive manufacturing, for example). But the structure of budget spending changed dramatically - huge funds went to the military-industrial complex and the defense industry and affected the growth of income only in this sector. In addition (if you remember), then in 2022 the ruble also strengthened sharply.
                      And then the Central Bank began to raise the key rate. And all growth naturally came to an end. And I'm not even talking about consumer inflation (they are calculated separately from industrial inflation). In general, 2022 definitely showed growth, but 2023 needs to be looked at monthly, because in the first half there was still growth, and then stagnation and ... a decline - in real GDP. And precisely because of the inflation accelerated by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      Since 2022, prices for some goods and services have increased by 70-100%.

                      That's right, because credit has become more expensive, a number of taxes have been raised, and new ones have been introduced. This would not have happened if the Central Bank had not accelerated inflation with the bank rate, and we would have had current inflation at the same level, but the world bankers have opened a Second Front for us. So for the last year and a half we have not only had no real growth, but there has been a steady decline. Which is especially clearly seen in the consumer market.
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      For example, travel on public transport: buses,

                      Yes, here in Donetsk the prices for bus fares have almost doubled.
                      So, forgive me if I incorrectly expressed my thoughts about growth in 2023, because the year was split in half: the first half was growth, the second half was decline. hi
              2. -2
                21 February 2025 01: 10
                That's when our Londoners and others like them, the inmates, will definitely be finished. And the children of the bourgeois elite, who are there abroad, will be grabbed by the Adam's apples and butts and will commit such lawlessness against those for whom he is the guarantor, that somehow, in addition to the 350 billion arrested, it would not be necessary to add.
            2. -1
              20 February 2025 15: 51
              Quote: AKuzenka
              The Russian Federation's money was essentially confiscated, but according to the law it is being "used".

              Not yet, they just froze them. They use some income. But they haven't decided to confiscate them yet, including Iranian assets. Because it's fraught with unpredictable consequences for them. Moreover, their companies also have frozen assets in Russia. I think I read somewhere that some exchange is quietly taking place.
              1. 0
                20 February 2025 16: 29
                Not yet, just frozen.
                In my opinion, "frozen" is just Western empty talk. Are the percentages used to finance the war with the Russian Federation? They are. So they stole it and are using the stolen funds to fuel the war. Will they ever return it? No. Here is a simple chain of logic.
                1. -3
                  20 February 2025 16: 34
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  In my opinion, "frozen" is just Western empty talk. Are the percentages used to finance the war with the Russian Federation?

                  The "body" of frozen funds is in accounts and formally belongs to Russia, but the interest is used to pay for the war. That's what was stolen.

                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  Will they ever get them back? No. Here's a simple chain of logic.

                  I wrote that it's a double-edged sword. No one is planning to return their assets (it seems).
          3. +3
            20 February 2025 11: 43
            Quote: Askold65
            At the time of the attack on post-Maidan Ukraine, there was still quite a lot of Soviet heritage to fight off the "eastern orcs" for 3-4 months.

            In April 22, they arranged a "goodwill gesture" for us near Kiev by cutting off supply routes. In the 7th month of the SVO, in September, Ukraine began to "regroup" for us near Kharkov, by that time they had only been supplied with a dozen Heimars and a couple of thousand useless Javelins. In November, they began the "withdrawal of troops from Kherson" and all this with minimal supplies from the West, without tanks, heavy artillery, long-range missiles and, most importantly, aircraft. The question arises: what was the actual calculation? That they would not be helped at all? But this is obvious stupidity, no matter how much the Americans believed in the Ukrainian Armed Forces (that same General Milley and Kyiv in three days), they will provide assistance. Now we have the SVO, which has been going on for four years and huge economic and human losses and no one has been punished, except for a couple of the Tuvan's deputies, and he himself went on an honorable pension to the Security Council.
            1. -3
              20 February 2025 16: 11
              Quote: Skif3216
              In April 22, they staged a "gesture of goodwill" for us near Kyiv by cutting off supply routes.

              There was nothing critical there. Especially Ukrainian "victories". They left because of the hopelessness of the direction in conditions of a shortage of active forces.
              Quote: Skif3216
              In the 7th month of the SVO, in September, Ukraine began to "regroup" for us near Kharkov, by that time they had only been supplied with a dozen Hymars and a couple thousand useless Javelins.

              Near Kharkov, the "regrouping" began under the influence of SIGNIFICANTLY superior forces. Somewhere 5-6 times, and in some directions it reached 10. "Hymars" and holy "Javelins" are not miracle weapons that can turn the tide of war. We had many times more aviation, but even it did not help in such unfavorable conditions.
              Quote: Skif3216
              In November, they began the "withdrawal of troops from Kherson" and all this with minimal supplies from the West, without tanks, heavy artillery, long-range missiles and, most importantly, aircraft.

              This was caused by the same reason - to shorten the front line and take up positions along the Dnieper. Our paratroopers fought in this direction without reinforcements or rotations for more than half a year. They are people after all, not cyborgs, and they just needed to rest.....
              Quote: Skif3216
              The question arises: what was the actual calculation? That they would not be helped at all? But this is obvious stupidity, no matter how much the Americans believe in the Ukrainian Armed Forces (that same General Milley and Kyiv in three days), they will provide help.

              This was not a calculation, but a forced action in the face of the threat of an attack by the Ukrainians on the LPR and DPR. Get involved in a fight, and then see how it goes...
              Quote: Skif3216
              Now we have the SVO, which has been going on for the fourth year and huge economic and human losses, and no one has been punished, except for a couple of the Tuvan’s deputies, and he himself has retired to the Security Council with honor.

              Punishment for what? For starting the SVO or for failures in its implementation?
              But many believe that the SVO should have been carried out back in the spring of 14...
      2. 0
        20 February 2025 08: 55
        Quote: Grencer81
        Is it okay that there are about 50 countries on the side of the "Maidan" Ukraine?

        Is it true that the West and its satellites remain against Russia, replenished with defectors and collaborating countries?
        1. +5
          20 February 2025 09: 34
          Quote: yuriy55
          The West, with its satellites, remains the same, replenished with defectors and collaborating countries?

          The main defectors are the newly-minted masters of Russia, those who keep their billions in foreign banks. In addition, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which finances foreign economies under the IMF more than it helps its own, the WTO, while Russia is being pressed with sanctions while being a member, Russia's entry into the IOM under the quota of accepting migrants. It is not surprising that Trump is more "our president" for some than our "real colonel"...
          1. +4
            20 February 2025 11: 39
            There is nothing surprising here. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is just a Russian branch of the Federal Reserve System. One of many. And the ruble is not a sovereign currency at all, but a derivative of the dollar. Therefore, the Russian economy will NEVER "rise from its knees", because there will NEVER be cheap loans for producers, only for trade and speculators. Well, the capitalists do not need the Russian Federation, which is able to produce high-value products and machine tools. And that means it will not exist. For many years I have been repeating the mantra about "our" capitalists: "Money is there, kids are there." They themselves are here for now, pumping out money, and spending it there.
    3. + 30
      20 February 2025 06: 06
      If a third of the fleet in the Black Sea was lost in a war with a country that has no fleet, then it’s scary to even imagine what will happen in the Baltic... That’s “what this buffoon PZ has brought the planet to!” ©
      1. +7
        20 February 2025 10: 16
        Quote: Abigor
        If a third of the fleet in the Black Sea was lost in a war with a country that has no fleet, then it’s scary to even imagine what will happen in the Baltic.

        And what a fleet there was in the Baltic in the 70s!
      2. +9
        20 February 2025 10: 24
        Quote: Abigor
        If a third of the fleet in the Black Sea was lost in a war with a country that has no fleet

        In 1967, I served as a navigator in the 94th Red Banner Minesweeping Brigade, and how many such brigades there were, of different compositions, it’s painful to remember now what they did after the collapse of the country.
    4. -9
      20 February 2025 09: 46
      Ukrainian citizen Elizariy in his element. smile
      Quote: Belisarius
      If you have your own merchant fleet, just transport oil on it, do not use the "shadow fleet", that is, rusty tubs under the flag of the Cook Islands. If you have stolen your fleet and are critically dependent on the trade in raw materials, use the "shadow" one.

      You've thrown something in here again.... A "shadow" fleet, and not one with a "trade" flag, is used to bypass sanctions. To sell at a price that is advantageous to US in such a situation, and not because "....If you stole your fleet...." Because because --- before the sanctions they were quite capable of trading under a "trade flag" and did without any "shadow". It's just that the situation, to put it mildly, has changed somewhat... Yes

      Quote: Belisarius
      If you have stolen your fleet and are critically dependent on the trade in raw materials and are using a “shadow” one, then why are you going to war when you are not even able to cope, God forgive me, with Maidan Ukraine?

      Where is the connection here with the "stolen fleet" and Maidan Ukraine? belay
      Quote: Belisarius
      If you went to war and now don’t know how to get out of there, then why are you complaining about piracy?

      What does the war with Ukraine and the piracy of "civilized countries" in the Baltic Sea have to do with it? belay
      Or is Europe thus DIRECTLY entering the war with Russia on the side of Ukraine? belay
      What makes you think that we don’t know how to “get out of the war”? belay The President has already voiced a hundred times what this exit from the war looks like. The problem is that these conditions of exit do not suit everyone. Therefore, war, I will voice it to you AGAIN - to the last Ukrainian. What was YOUR president thinking about when he sent troops to Donbass to get into a war with Russia?
      Quote: Belisarius
      As for the Baltic Sea, thanks to Mr. Putin, who “knows how to conduct politics,” Finland and Sweden joined NATO not virtually like Ukraine, but quite realistically.

      These "neutral" countries before all the events were virtually incorporated into NATO structures "by civil marriage". Now they have simply "formalized the relationship" officially. Yes
      Just like France did before them in 2009. "Evil Putin" was a bogeyman for his own population, who they "forgot" to ask THEIR opinion. But here it was not so clear-cut.....
    5. 0
      20 February 2025 10: 12
      Quote: Belisarius
      Thanks to Mr. Putin, who "knows how to conduct politics", Finland and Sweden joined NATO not virtually like Ukraine, but quite realistically.

      Don't blame Putin, they were already under NATO since Soviet times. My brother-in-law served in the Finnish Navy at that time, he told me a lot of things.
    6. -2
      20 February 2025 10: 28
      If you

      If you

      then why are you

      If you climbed

      then why are you complaining

      As I understand it, you do not consider yourself part of my country. Therefore, you have no right to discuss what WE are doing right and what we are not doing. And even more so, WE will figure out ourselves what to do about it, what policy to pursue and who to call. And those like you, opponents of our country, WE have punished as we wanted over the past thousand years.
      1. +2
        20 February 2025 13: 17
        Do you think that this country optimized the Baltic Fleet? And what are you going to sort out yourself? They will sort it out without you. Open the rating of billionaires of Russia. During the SVO their incomes only grew.
        1. -3
          20 February 2025 13: 38
          I believe that I am indivisible with my country. It is WE. And if some hype-eater, as I assume from abroad, divides himself and the country, starts something speak with his analysis, then let him remember that WE always punished people like him as we wanted.
          And this concerns one single comment.
          My comment on the fleet is below.
          As for billionaires, did you expect their income to fall and would you be happy about it? Perhaps with the departure of foreign companies, the impossibility of withdrawing money from the country and so on, they finally began to spin money at home. They invest in business here. And accordingly, their income grows. Which they invest in development again. Have you not looked at the situation from this side? I understand that the government and rich people have exhausted the limit of trust long ago, but at least evaluate everything without bias.
      2. 0
        20 February 2025 15: 20
        Quote: a.shlidt
        As I understand it, you do not consider yourself part of my country. Therefore, you have no right to judge what WE do right and what WE do wrong.

        The answer is incorrect. I do "count" myself (using your language) as part of Russia. But citizens Yeltsin-Putin-Chubais-Abramovich-Vekselberg-Kadyrov have, in my opinion, the same relation to Russia as Khan Batu and his temniks had to it, burning villages and cities and killing Russians by the thousands.
        However, this is just poetry, let's get back to your message. The "shadow fleet" of rusty ships is used by the RF government, the SVO is being conducted "according to plan and even somewhat ahead of schedule", and the oil is being sold by the same government. That's why I wrote - "You got involved", etc. I hope now everything has become clear to you.
        P/S If you have the illusion that you have any relation to this, that is, that some “we” is doing this, then I hasten to assure you that for the Russian authorities you personally are simply an annoying part of the landscape.
        P/P/S However, if Peskov or even Suleiman Kerimov himself is hiding under the nickname a.shlidt, then I bow low to the illustrious gentleman. You, wow, what a patriot.
        1. -2
          20 February 2025 16: 03
          Fortunately, I didn’t answer, but stated.
          Only one thing is shrouded in mystery, why you put all these people in the same row. The explanation for this is either a superficial judgment, or you are one of the surviving followers of Navalny's beggars. For whom, in principle, it makes no difference what to criticize, the main thing is that the owners pay.
          The SVO is being conducted by her "according to plan and even somewhat ahead of schedule"

          I personally do not participate in the SVO, I do not go to the assault with a machine gun. But in other respects I help. And if there were more of us, and there were no people like you in my country, we would have won already.
          I hope now everything has become clear to you.

          Please take my word for it, I understand the problems in my country. But I blame myself and the entire nation for this, and as soon as there are more of us, we will repeat 1917. Or 1991. But even in this case, we will not cry that "we were deceived", but will understand that we made the wrong choice.
          P/S I'm sorry that you consider yourself just an "annoying part of the landscape"
          P/P/S I, wow, what a patriot of my country.
          1. 0
            20 February 2025 19: 52
            Quote: a.shlidt
            The only thing that remains a mystery is why you put all these people in the same row.

            Hmm... and indeed the mafioso oligarch Berezovsky and the mafioso oligarch Vekselberg... The difference is colossal, you have to understand. And the former carrier of Sobchak's portfolio, citizen Putin, moved to Moscow by Chubais, is not Yeltsin at all (whose successor he was), he is completely different. And Shoigu, who distributed machine guns for the armed coup d'etat in 1993 (when the mob that is now raging in the Russian Federation and seized the country), has absolutely no relation to Shoigu, the great patriot, the rearmament of the army and the leader of the entire SVO.
            I personally do not participate in the SVO, I do not go to the assault with a machine gun. But in other respects I help. And if there were more of us, and there were no people like you in my country, we would have won already.

            The decision on the SVO is made by the RF authorities, and it is carried out by them. You do not make political decisions, and do not influence them in any way. As for the "victory", it remains to be seen who you are going to "defeat" when there is no war, and there is no SVO within the framework of the RF laws. And the goal of the "special operation" is the implementation of the uncontested Istanbul peace agreements.
            Quote: a.shlidt
            I'm sorry that you consider yourself just an "annoying part of the landscape"

            This is not a question of emotions. Of course, for the Russian authorities I am the same part of the landscape as you. The difference is that you are a submissive part of the landscape, the "electorate", while I am harmful and hinder them from destroying Russia.
            As for attempts to identify oneself with the regime's policy in some kind of "we" (all the more strange since the regime itself does not associate itself with "serfs"), here is a canonical example - who was a patriot of Germany - the one who spoke some kind of "we" regarding the policy of Nazi Germany and boldly, giving the Nazi salute for living space, went on a campaign, or those who at least distanced themselves from the Fuhrer's policy and at most tried to resist it? And should an ordinary resident of Germany, who could not influence its policy, nevertheless associate himself with it in some kind of "we"?
            1. -1
              21 February 2025 09: 19
              The difference is colossal, you have to understand it.

              If for you Vekselberg (a man who received an excellent education and made himself, and not by handouts) and Abramovichus (having no education, but only sycophancy, who received everything as handouts, from the same Berezovsky, during the plundering) stand in the same row, then it is even difficult for me to guess who your idol is... You probably hate all wealthy people, indiscriminately. Well then, try to say in Krasnodar that Galitsky is a thief and a bad person. You will be torn apart. Probably the offspring of Navalny are your ideal.
              The decision on the SVO is made by the Russian authorities, and they are also in charge of it.

              People like you shouted in 1941: "Hitler is not our enemy, he came to save us from the Bolsheviks."
              I have a different opinion about SVO. You should visit Donetsk and talk to people.
              Or do you already have the order for "Taking Upper Lars"?
              or those who at least distanced themselves from the Fuhrer's policies and at most tried to resist them?

              Former Wehrmacht officers and soldiers who were pardoned later founded the wonderful state of the GDR. They became our loyal allies and friends. And many cried when we left.
              If you think that you are only capable of being a bush for dogs in this landscape, then I do not blame you. But at the same time, I find you unpleasant as a person who is only capable of "dirty" speech on the Internet, imposing his point of view, which is also unpleasant to me.
              Personally, I believe that I am capable of influencing something. The SVO, the government, justice. Water wears away a stone. And when there are hundreds of millions of people like me, everything will be fine.
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  4. +9
    20 February 2025 04: 21
    These are the recommendations made by “experts” in case the Baltic region countries actually implement their plans for a naval blockade of Russian oil exports.

    Somehow it looks very, you know, Ukrainian. In the spirit of the neighbors, don't you think?


    The hook was a success.
    Something like "we will do what we want, but the Russian subhumans are NOT ALLOWED!!111".
    What a coming out this author has been through...
  5. + 10
    20 February 2025 05: 20
    At this rate of degradation of the Navy, we will soon reach the point where we will have to raise its flag on various seiners and tugs, call them auxiliary cruisers, assign them to escort tankers, and hope that the enemy does not dare to attack them.
    1. +6
      20 February 2025 07: 12
      In the past, auxiliary cruisers were made from dry cargo ships and other completely civilian vessels, even sailing ones, and they were quite successful in raiding. The German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran was even able to wreck the real Australian cruiser HMAS Sydney. True, it itself was so damaged that the crew had to scuttle it and go to Australia in lifeboats to surrender. So the idea of ​​auxiliary cruisers is quite workable.
      1. +6
        20 February 2025 07: 22
        As always, it's all about making a decision. And here there are big doubts.
        1. +4
          20 February 2025 09: 42
          Quote: avia12005
          And here there are big doubts.
          To do this, you need to have your own independent pole of power, and not be in a foreign pole of world capitalism, with your own leader and master, no matter how much you puff out your cheeks with dreams of "multipolarity". There was the Soviet Union, under which you could say at sea, "My security is guaranteed by the full might of the Soviet Union!", and let anyone try to move against our country, our fleet.
          1. +2
            20 February 2025 14: 10
            To do this, you need to have your own independent pole of power.
            so for this it was enough not to screw up everything possible to show that we are our own, bourgeois. Like if a moose decided to become a wolf and he was offered to saw off his leg, and he went and sawed it off, and then wondered - why didn't the plan work, where did he miscalculate?
            1. -1
              21 February 2025 14: 25
              Quote from alexoff
              to show that we are our own, bourgeois
              The problem is that our newly-minted bourgeois inherited the Soviet nuclear missile potential, Russia is still the only country in the world that can destroy the USA with certainty. Our traitors, as they say, either need to put on their underwear or take off their cross. Simply put, how can you both give up Russia and not end up on bayonets and pitchforks at home for outright betrayal. As long as this remains, Russia will be pressured, with all our traitors and turncoats and the dream of living in a single capitalism with the West.
  6. + 18
    20 February 2025 05: 23
    Before airing something like this, it is worth looking online and finding out who is in charge in Russia now. And it is a certain V. V. Putin. A peculiar person, but one who definitely knows how to think and - what is very important - how to conduct politics. And today we can say that things could have been much worse in the magnificently unfolding events of modern history.

    Well, why are you so concerned, what are you worried about? They'll come up with something without you... Who knows how many different things have been invented in a quarter of a century...
    Yesterday, a speech of thanks was given to the teacher and mentor Sobchak... It's a pity that it was not mentioned how the activities of this politician, together with his curator from the Kremlin, strengthened the fleet and ensured long-term good-neighborly relations in the Baltic...
    * * *
    Have you tried to live by the laws, so that you don't feel pain from all sorts of machinations (for what? so that the bourgeoisie gets a thicker piece of butter?), when it turns out that Russian oil is not Russian at all... And Russian gas, gold, diamonds, timber, metals, etc., etc. have also lost their identity.
    Let's remember how Russian oligarchs (thieves) have their yachts and real estate confiscated, their accounts frozen, and they continue to look for loopholes in Russian and international legislation in order to STEAL, SNAP, APPROPRIATE, TRANSFER, and WITHDRAW to their overseas piggy bank another portion of goods stolen in Russia...
    * * *
    And what use is this tanker with oil to Kuzbass, which has found itself in pariah status and has accumulated debts like a dog has fleas? Yes, none... But it is so patriotic when they grab you by the scrotum and start screaming: "Help! They are robbing us!"
    How can we help? Help establish (defend) the country's sovereignty? Or is it not a matter of sovereignty, but of ordinary greed? It is believed that all the thefts in the Ministry of Defense were for the purpose of preserving sovereignty and increasing the combat readiness of the Armed Forces...
    1. + 10
      20 February 2025 07: 24
      Quote: yuriy55
      A speech of thanks was given to the teacher and mentor Sobchak.

      Five years as the mayor of St. Petersburg... And such honors. For what merits? request
      1. +5
        20 February 2025 08: 51
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Five years as the mayor of St. Petersburg... And such honors. For what merits?

        And how did Matvienko deserve Russia’s two highest awards?
        Everything is clear with Sobchak, as well as with EBN, without whom there is no way... And what state activity did Sobchak's widow Narusova (who was embarrassed, in view of her special importance, to take her husband's surname, as is customary in Russia) deserve the position of senator? It seems that this SF was created specifically to "sit out" guilty (and simply worthless) figures...
        We do not know of a SINGLE case where the role of a Russian senator in the history of the state has been revealed...
        How can one not remember the film "Girl with No Address":
        1. +5
          20 February 2025 09: 20
          Quote: yuriy55
          This SF was created specifically to “sit out” those who have committed offenses (and are simply worthless)...

          And a hotbed of crime...
      2. 0
        20 February 2025 19: 28
        So he brought Putin into politics... by the hand. Sobchak was a household name in those years, he kissed Rostropovich, and loudly supported Yeltsin. Without Sobchak, Putin would have remained "one of..."
        1. 0
          21 February 2025 00: 23
          Quote: Doc1272
          He brought Putin into politics.

          And when he opened a criminal case against Sobchak, Putin took him abroad, where he died...
  7. +9
    20 February 2025 05: 30
    I remember once I came across some old magazines "Technology for Youth" in the attic at my dacha. They were good magazines, not like now, just reading, and they had ideas. And there was a project for submarines completely filled with all sorts of toxic substances, when the boats were destroyed, all this "happiness" would poison everything around them. It was proposed to make the boats as visible as possible, even paint them orange, but they were also supposed to sail exclusively off the coast of unfriendly countries, which would have to spend their energy on operating such a boat, and protect it like the apple of their eye. At that time I didn't pay attention to this article, but now I remember, but this is just an opus, I'm not calling for anything, let's get back to the article and reality. We are not the USSR, we must understand this, the fleet is different, and the capacity is not the same, but for 30 years, we have only been able to shock foreigners with revelry and holidays. After the New Year, I saw a patriotic video from "Courchevel" about our people celebrating the New Year with Kalinka-Malinka, where the French deftly offer champagne with smiles, and our "patriots" wave flags and shout "Russia" and it ends with a caption under the video that we bent the EU. But this same EU was busy churning out ships, and oh, they turned out to be combat-ready, without champagne and the French, and they clearly won't turn on Kalinka-Malinka, although the "patriots" don't care, it's warm in Dubai. It seems that over the past 30 years the country and the government should have thought about what they were doing wrong, but no, planes continue to fly to Dubai and Paris, capital is leaking out, and the golden youth is still living in luxury, and then we cry crocodile tears that everyone around us is offending us, and we don't have ships.
    1. +9
      20 February 2025 06: 10
      The answer is actually simple - symmetrical. Also blow up a tanker in the territorial waters of EU countries by "unknowns" so that it sinks and the oil spills out of it. The Mediterranean Sea is convenient for this. Its pollution will cause howling of various "green parties" and the costs of eliminating the consequences - less aid will go to Ukraine. Actually, literally yesterday something similar happened in an Italian port. And even better - affect the GPS so that such a tanker itself flies aground due to loss of control, let them fuss about dragging it out of there... Something like that.
      1. +6
        20 February 2025 07: 46
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Also, to blow up a tanker in the territorial waters of EU countries by "unknown persons" so that it sinks and the oil spills out of it
        The idea is great, but the red lines are a hindrance, completely inappropriate during military operations...
      2. -2
        20 February 2025 17: 26
        alas, but these ideas in the style of a Jewish shtetl in Ukraine at the beginning of the 20th century and the local showdowns between families because of the spoiled reputation of girls - will not lead to anything good - do not consider Western politicians as idiots who will allow us to carry out this terrorist attack
      3. -2
        21 February 2025 19: 02
        Or maybe a gas tanker would be better? There won't be any traces left, and they'll be scared, it's just awful.
  8. + 13
    20 February 2025 05: 55
    Yes, the author painted a sad picture. It is clear that now nobody Putin is in charge of Russia. And the "successes" of this gentleman "who knows how to think and conduct politics" (according to the author) are really impressive. One of the latest "successes" is Syria, for example, where militants not only captured the country and threw out Assad, but also attacked our base on February 18. And then there is Ilham Aliyev, who openly began to be rude to "one who knows how to think and conduct politics". We have already become accustomed to the rudeness of Soros Pashinyan, and now the "great Azerbaijani" has joined him. Here, despite mutual hatred, they show rare unanimity. And before that, this "talented politician" was taught by "leaders of African countries" (who only recently weaned themselves off eating their fellow tribesmen).
    The author writes that the Europeans have no legal methods. Well then, what's the problem? If the actions of the European security forces are illegal, then why really can't they put ten to fifteen PMC fighters with DShK or KPVT on the ships and organize a battle?
    As for the transfer of ships from the north, why? The Baltic is shot through with missiles and they simply won't be able to repel the attack. And as for "Finnish dairy", we should have developed our own agriculture, and not rely on the Finns. Especially since not everything is lost in this matter (although of course the president and the government are "working" in this direction).
    1. -1
      21 February 2025 19: 05
      Sadly, you are right.
  9. + 11
    20 February 2025 05: 57
    The whole point of the shadow fleet is that it supplies oil at a price higher than $60 per barrel. Trade wars are always a harbinger of a big war. To gain an advantage in trade, you need to win another war. But if you look at our exports, the export of energy resources is many times greater than the export of finished products. And in such matters, a balance is needed. And that means we need to strain ourselves and do a lot more within ourselves.
  10. +9
    20 February 2025 06: 00
    I added up all the NATO ships in the Baltic Sea without submarines, what did you get? 51 ships. For a length of 1200 km and a width of roughly 300 km of the Baltic. And how many anti-ship missiles are needed for this entire armada? Well, three for each ship to guarantee the destruction of the fleet. A total of 150 "Tsirkons". And no pirates.
    Otherwise, whatever flag the pirate ship flies, that fleet will destroy, for example, a dozen Danish ships.
    1. +2
      20 February 2025 08: 06
      Well, here, of course, everything is clear, such is the infosphere, such are the "experts". In our case - they do not think at all about what they shout, it's just the way it is - to shout louder, and then we'll see.
      There are so many of these screamers in VO! And their proposals are at the level of elementary grades in a rural school in the provinces... Experts, oh my!
    2. +1
      20 February 2025 11: 55
      alas, but the hypersonic cruise missile Zircon is in fact the supersonic cruise missile Onyx of Soviet design, passed off as Zircon... and so it is everywhere
      1. +1
        20 February 2025 14: 21
        Who would have thought that onyx-yachont was renamed zircon for some reason!
  11. + 12
    20 February 2025 07: 10
    There are several points. They optimized the Baltic Fleet themselves. No one is engaged in diplomacy in the country.
    Finally, if two gangs have a meeting. Which gang will you root for? As a law-abiding citizen, I won't root for any. And don't try to get me to be patriotic.
  12. +7
    20 February 2025 07: 44
    But a fleet that is really capable of giving a slap on the wrist to those who like to act willfully in the open seas is something that will not surprise anyone, but will make them respect it.
    But isn't aviation capable of giving a slap on the wrist and making itself respected in the Baltic? It will be more effective and cheaper, considering the fate of the Black Sea Fleet...
  13. +2
    20 February 2025 08: 31
    ships in the Baltic, can play a purely psychological role, from the series - "Just try to touch", in a military sense their value is zero, and comparison of fleets there is absolutely unnecessary, given the outline of the coast behind the enemy, not a single Russian surface ship will survive there, it will simply be destroyed by aviation, to strengthen the naval component, submarines are needed, preferably dwarf ones like those of the DPRK or Iran and coastal complexes in the Kaliningrad region, coupled with naval aviation there, which could stop logistics in the Baltic by cutting it from Kaliningrad to the south-eastern coast of Sweden, while Kaliningrad will be blockaded, so serious reserves and maximum autonomy are needed there, at least for several months, and better for a year....
  14. 0
    20 February 2025 08: 35
    If we consider Roman's article as an artistic expression of officialdom on VO, then this clearly indicates that "Katz suggests surrender."
  15. +4
    20 February 2025 08: 49
    I understand everything: 62 million tons, market share... But what does Russia get from these 62 million tons of exports, how many machines and technologies do we buy in return, how many goods for our stores come from importing countries? Why should we protect this export at all, if we get nothing from this export except for the depletion of mineral resources and a poisoned environment?
    .
    Before you threaten us with nuclear weapons, answer us: what will we, the country and the people, gain from restoring freedom of navigation for our tankers?
    And ask the organizers of the shadow fleet: what did they expect when they invested in a fraudulent enterprise? And now they demand that these funds be protected by a nuclear bomb? What did you give us to protect you?
    .
    As for me, only a comprehensive embargo on any trade with the West can change the situation. The fraudulent schemes of cunning lawyers and brokers only ruin our country and put it on the brink of war.
    1. +2
      20 February 2025 11: 03
      Quote: also a doctor
      I understand everything: 62 million tons, market share... But what does Russia get from these 62 million tons of exports, how many machines and technologies do we buy in return, how many goods for our stores come from importing countries? Why should we protect this export at all, if we get nothing from this export except for the depletion of mineral resources and a poisoned environment?
      .
      Before you threaten us with nuclear weapons, answer us: what will we, the country and the people, gain from the restoration of freedom of navigation for...

      I mean, what do we buy? Absolutely everything, from cars to consumer goods
    2. -1
      21 February 2025 19: 10
      And people also talk about pensions and benefits. Here's something interesting: For 5 months of 2007, the volume of VAT refunds amounted to 364 billion rubles. The volumes of VAT refunds are such that the refund of value-added tax to oil companies often exceeds the income from oil exports, said Mikhail Mokretsov, head of the Federal Tax Service, at a government meeting on June 21.
      "If you compare export revenues to the budget and the return of value-added tax in the oil industry, it turns out that the return exceeds the income from exports," he said. "Since then, only VAT has increased. It looks like everyone reading this pays a little for exports.
  16. +3
    20 February 2025 08: 58
    The Kremlin has a problem here too, which is not surprising.
  17. 0
    20 February 2025 09: 35
    They can very well block the Danish Strait! And Russia will essentially have nothing to respond to this with!
    1. +1
      20 February 2025 09: 50
      The Danish Strait is between Greenland and Iceland. The Danish straits are the Belts, the Oresund, the Kattegat and the Skagerrak.
      Two big differences, as they say in Odessa.
  18. -1
    20 February 2025 09: 39
    Repaint the tanker in the colors of a military ship, hang a couple of machine guns for show, like the tanker belongs to the Navy and serious sailors sunbathe on deck.) A joke of course. I think it would be wiser and less expensive to come to an agreement with some hostile country, like we'll pay a percentage and quietly let you through, for show you can write off a trough on camera once for the sake of form, like no, they're the bad guys holding us up, and here a fleet of tankers quietly sailed by.
  19. 0
    20 February 2025 09: 46
    The state of the fleets is terrible. They'll give us a second Tsushima...
    1. -1
      20 February 2025 13: 16
      This is if fleet against fleet, but everything will be different.
  20. +1
    20 February 2025 09: 52
    If the NATO fleet dominates the Baltic, how will the convoy help?
    We already have precedents when the new "Syrian" government in boats blocked the entry of the port of Tartus for the dry cargo ships Sparta and Sparta II.
    And considering that the ships are not Russian, this only unties NATO’s hands.
    1. 0
      20 February 2025 10: 13
      Do you understand what an attack on a convoy would mean? Your question is strange. A fleet is not needed for power, but for the formality of starting a war or at the initial stage to prevent the enemy from gaining a foothold on its land. If a dominant fleet attacks a warship, that fleet, like the bloc itself, will live for half an hour. That's if we're being serious. Weapons such as tanks, ships, and planes are secondary weapons.
      1. +1
        20 February 2025 11: 00
        Quote: Mister Who
        Do you understand what an attack on a convoy would mean? Your question is strange. A fleet is not needed for power, but for the formality of starting a war or at the initial stage to prevent the enemy from gaining a foothold on its land. If a dominant fleet attacks a warship, that fleet, like the bloc itself, will live for half an hour. That's if we're being serious. Weapons such as tanks, ships, and planes are secondary weapons.

        Well, well, not in our reality. There are two countries at war and who can stop one of them from sinking the enemy? The Iran-Iraq war also showed that attacks on tankers of any country are quite possible
      2. -1
        20 February 2025 13: 12
        What do you propose? NATO already wants to detain the tankers under the pretext of their non-ecological nature.
        The question is not strange, but rather rhetorical. Is war in the Baltic real? I think so, everything is heading in that direction (from NATO's side).
    2. +1
      20 February 2025 10: 21
      The Union sent its convoys to Cuba and no one dared touch them, they were inferior in power to the US fleet. Nevertheless, they were not touched.
      1. +2
        20 February 2025 11: 20
        The Union sent its convoys to Cuba and no one dared touch them, they were inferior in power to the US fleet
        You forget that the power of the USSR at that time simply did not allow one to look askance at everything Soviet. Today's Russia and the USSR are completely different states.
      2. -1
        21 February 2025 19: 14
        Well, that's the USSR. Two big differences. If you watch and listen to our media a little, you get the impression that they're forcing it on us, like, forget about our former greatness.
  21. +7
    20 February 2025 09: 56
    and here there is big politics, in which Vladimir Vladimirovich, we admit, is knowledgeable and strong.
    I agree with the article, but I don't agree with this quote. Three years of drawing 100500 red lines, goodwill policy, cries about "that we were deceived and cheated again", rotten faith in the grandmaster with his multi-move moves, inability to organize intelligence work (the Kharkov flight and the Kursk invasion are proof of this), preserving the lives of the leaders and main murderers of the Kyiv regime - this is far from a complete list of facts that speak to the contrary.
  22. 0
    20 February 2025 09: 58
    There was an article about a drone carrier)) we lay a takeoff pad and wooden drone models on the deck of a tanker)) they say we liked their idea so much, here is our drone carrier, but in fact it will transport oil)) This is also a joke of course.
  23. +1
    20 February 2025 09: 59
    Of the dozens of tankers with oil from Russia that come and go every day, 2 (!) were detained in a month, which are registered in the emirates and somewhere else. There is insurance too, just not from the British. No need to panic
  24. 0
    20 February 2025 10: 08
    and who said that other ships will not be inspected by the Russian fleet? There are enough ships there. We will pirate too. And if it comes to a shootout, then we can hit with a dagger and onyx. The fleet is also aviation. Do the countries of the basin want this? No.
  25. +4
    20 February 2025 10: 31
    If it weren't for the passage about Petersburgers praying for Finnish sausage and dairy products (and not for the first time from the author), I would have thought at first that it was Staver, especially after the praises to the godfather, who recently kissed his goddaughter, who is so utterly unmarked in every sense. And the conclusions were discouraging, because the author writes one thing in one article, and the diametrically opposite in another (for example, about the zero combat capability of one fleet and suddenly some other of another, even if it is reinforced with ships from the third).
  26. 0
    20 February 2025 10: 56
    And what will you do, Roman, when our ships are sunk by Ukrainian backers? No one has cancelled the war yet and the fate of Ursa Major confirms this
  27. +1
    20 February 2025 11: 00
    If we turn to history.
    In its time, the decline of the Spanish crown began precisely with the captivity.
    We need to look for a non-standard solution.
    But effective.
    Escort tankers with your drones, for example.
  28. -2
    20 February 2025 11: 02
    The EU is now run by people who don't think with their gray matter. They are going for a confrontation that no one needs. And the goal of this action is only to force us to sell oil to them at 50. Or to no one else. All these measures will only lead to a jump in prices, and no one will increase production because there is no point. In short, they are shooting themselves in the foot. But they are already used to it.
    As for the Baltic Fleet, it is really sad. But it is worth soberly assessing the risks and thinking wisely about whether it is worth increasing the fleet and if so, in what direction. During WWII, the Baltic was teeming with mines, and in the event of a conflict it will be teeming again. All countries have developed anti-submarine warfare, including coastal complexes and aviation. It is worth considering that the Baltic is a "big puddle" that is a maximum of 300 km wide. All this is covered by anti-submarine warfare. And what kind of active combat operations with the use of large fleet formations are possible there? The Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet are another matter; they can go out into the ocean and cause a stir there.
    1. +1
      20 February 2025 11: 36
      The Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet are another matter; they can go out into the ocean and cause a stir there.

      There was a reservation about the Denmark Strait and the Danish Straits. So: the Denmark Strait and the Bering Strait are as insurmountable for the Northern Fleet as the Danish Straits are for the Baltic Fleet. And the Pacific Fleet's exit into the ocean or even to the shores of Korea is pointless, given its weakness.
      Of course, you can play at heroism by arranging a battle a la "The Death of the Varangian", but apart from additional image losses for Russia, this will not give anything.
      These are the current alignments in light of non-nuclear confrontation.
      1. 0
        20 February 2025 12: 07
        I saw this reservation. Why should the Northern Fleet go around Iceland? You can terrorize everything in the Norwegian Sea, the expanses are wider. I would not draw utopian conclusions about the combat readiness of the Northern Fleet. There are options to drink blood. It is worse with the Pacific Fleet. There you need to go around Hokkaido to get out into the ocean. I do not agree with the opinion that our fleet must necessarily look for the enemy itself in order to immediately engage in battle with him and die with dignity. Why? Go, terrorize, break transmission lines, attack poorly protected ports, etc.
        1. -1
          20 February 2025 14: 18
          Plusanul.
          Only the Northern Fleet without bases in Norway will not be able to organize Armageddon without nuclear weapons. The border of the North Cape cape - about. Bearish - a. Spitsbergen is only the first frontier.
          Before it is too late, it is necessary to transfer the main surface forces to the Pacific Ocean and deploy a forward line along the Kuril Ridge. And transfer strategic aviation there to work in the proposed theater of military operations.
          1. -2
            20 February 2025 14: 41
            Nakhimov is now a part of the Northern Fleet again. If what was written about him is true, then he will be such a force that you can’t just crush him. The Northern Fleet’s ships, with professional captains and acceptable seaworthiness of the ships, can even see the Scottish islands.
            And I would move the Pacific Fleet base to Petropavlovsk. I also agree with you about strategic aviation.
  29. -2
    20 February 2025 11: 34
    Roman is trying to outdo himself. Everything must be done in accordance with international law! But at the same time, everyone knows that all these resolutions, treaties, agreements are just paper. It seems like we should escort oil tankers, but we won't. Because we have nothing to escort them with and, in general, we are not the kind to respond with anything other than words. They blew up our strategic gas pipeline in the Baltic? Well, they made it worse for themselves! They attacked dozens of other important targets (often quite successfully for them) - we still have some! Transfer all diesel boats via inland waters from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic! True, diesel boats have nothing to do under the ice. And what should they do in the Baltic with its depths? Maybe it would be better to go to Azov? To summarize, the Baltic Fleet should have long ago been reformed into a flotilla with headquarters in Kronstadt.. Like the halved Black Sea Fleet, which is hiding in Novorossiysk. The Mediterranean squadron was successfully completed thanks to the wise policy of the VPR. And as for the safety of tankers, there is another way. Supply this oil with an extra charge, so as not to lose customers. And also increase payments for wiring. Maybe they won't touch it? I don't even want to talk about nuclear weapons. It seems that the power of the Strategic Missile Forces may turn out to be as ephemeral as the other components of the triad. Today there was another raid on the airbase in Engels... But we are still not like that!
    1. fiv
      -1
      20 February 2025 19: 33
      Airbase in Engels, dear Kasatik..
      1. 0
        20 February 2025 21: 36
        Typo. I apologize.
        1. fiv
          -1
          20 February 2025 22: 25
          It's okay, here some people write "vessel" instead of "ships". And the misconceptions about the Strategic Missile Forces, by the way, are very useful for the Strategic Missile Forces.
  30. -3
    20 February 2025 11: 44
    We should not send ships from the Northern Fleet to the Baltic, but on the contrary, remove all valuable ships from the Baltic... otherwise it will turn out like in the Black Sea Fleet - a quarter of the ships are sunk or put out of action by a country that does not have a fleet in the Black Sea at all... the lessons of the Great Patriotic War in the Baltic and Black Sea never reached the minds of our admirals and the smartest and most decisive politician in the world...
  31. VlK
    -1
    20 February 2025 12: 38
    It seems like not so long ago Iran had similar problems with the arrest of tankers, and it seems even with sabotage on board its ships? And it seems like everything resolved itself after similar mirror actions? Nothing has been heard on the news for a long time.
  32. 0
    20 February 2025 13: 12
    Piracy at the state level leads to direct war. I think one clash in the Baltics will be enough to start a conflict.
  33. -1
    20 February 2025 13: 24
    I wonder how many ports there are in the Baltic where NATO ships can be kept. It seems to me that there are fewer than the number of ships. Their destruction will quickly level the situation instead of increasing the number of ships in the Baltic Fleet.
  34. -1
    20 February 2025 13: 33
    I would like to correct the author. He forgot to mention that the Baltic Fleet consists of 13 small missile ships and 19 combat boats.
  35. -1
    20 February 2025 13: 44
    Make improvised patrol ships similar to the Cuban mobilized trawlers - purely for patrolling.
  36. -1
    20 February 2025 15: 44
    This disease - "piracy of the 21st century" is very easy to treat these days, easier than gonorrhea. It is necessary to conduct a small one-time operation by the forces of the Baltic Fleet. Let's call the operation - "Rat Hunt".
    A tanker leaves the port of St. Petersburg - 100 kiloton, filled to the brim with oil, and goes strictly along the center of the Baltic, demonstratively under the Russian flag!!! Past the Finns, past all this Baltic riffraff. Rats from all coastal countries will come running to such a tasty piece of cheese - border patrol boats, corvettes, everything that can swim. But the tanker has a little secret - right under its belly, on the same course, at a depth of 50 meters, a submarine (Project 877) is going, in the first, second, third and fourth TA loaded with 4 supersonic anti-ship missiles 3M54. Rats, of course, will rush to race to this huge piece of cheese. For example, the first one, the closest to the tanker, is the Braunschweig corvette (K130), the submarine commander waits until the distance is reduced to 50 cable lengths, the tanker captain visually identifies the target and reports it to the submarine. Well, the distance is 50 cable lengths - the target is straight ahead. From under the water, at the bow of the tanker, five meters from the bow, the first missile comes out of the water, as expected with noise, with a sheaf of splashes, then the second, third, fourth. You ask - why so many? Two will be enough for the corvette. But in order to achieve the desired success, you need to guarantee the sinking of the trough and kill the entire crew so that there are no survivors at all. Of course, the corvette will have time to report the attack. But what will this message look like - "the tanker launched four anti-ship missiles in our direction" and that's it. There will be no more messages. One pill and that's it - the disease is cured. No one will come closer than 100 miles to our tankers, not even seagulls will fly past.
    1. -1
      20 February 2025 17: 32
      The Kremlin has all hopes of leaving the SVO at the market while Trump is president in the US... and you are suggesting that they arrange an escalation? :-)
  37. -3
    20 February 2025 16: 27
    In short and to the point: the crew of those caught committing piracy should be hanged from the yards, and the ships should be sunk or accepted for their own "operation" as a "prize".... So far, the "Convention for the Suppression of Piracy at Sea" has not undergone any significant changes since the 22350th century... And everything else is technical details and the political will of the monarch or the head of state... And what does some project XNUMX have to do with it... One demonstration-preventive strike on the naval bases of Tallinn or Klaipeda, Riga, Gdynia or Kiel with an "Oreshnik" or "Iskander" - piracy will end before it even begins.....
    1. -2
      20 February 2025 17: 35
      And you propose to start a war with NATO on the eve of the "drain" of the SVO?
      1. -1
        20 February 2025 18: 08
        Alexander Igorevich Rifeev, "drain" the water in the toilet, the SVO is finished... About NATO - this is a different "song" and performed by a different "choir and orchestra".....
  38. -2
    20 February 2025 23: 18
    Alas, our supreme leader can only talk and draw red lines!!!!
  39. -2
    20 February 2025 23: 24
    The article is good. But it suggests fighting the consequence without considering the cause that gave rise to the problem. The cause is the coup d'etat, the liquidation of the Soviet Union and its dismemberment into small entities. They wrote.
    On March 17, 1991, a referendum was held, in which 76,43% of citizens who took part in it voted in favor of preserving the renewed USSR.
    Even earlier, on April 3, 1990, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a law declaring the declarations of the Supreme Soviets of the Baltic republics on the annulment of their entry into the USSR and the subsequent decisions arising from this legally null and void.
    And so, on September 6, 1991, M.S. Gorbachev signed the decrees of the State Council of the USSR No. GS-1, GS-2, GS-3 on the recognition of the independence of the republics of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.
    There is no doubt that the decrees signed by Gorbachev did not comply with either the USSR Constitution or the USSR Law of April 03, 1990 No. 1409-1 “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR.”
    Denounce, cancel the decrees of the State Council of the USSR No. GS-1, GS-2, GS-3. If you don’t want to, take them through the court. This is a response to the blockade in the Baltic Sea.
    The Russian government has not yet matured on the issue of Ukraine, so the Baltic issue is not even being considered.
  40. 0
    21 February 2025 13: 21
    What to do? Remind us about the burials of mustard gas in the Baltic!
  41. -1
    21 February 2025 15: 20
    But a fleet that is really capable of giving a slap on the wrist to those who like to act willfully in the open seas is something that will not surprise anyone, but will make them respect it. And here the revival of the Baltic fleet at the expense of a certain number of ships is far from a bad idea. At least in Europe many will think about whether it is worth continuing all this dancing around Russian and not so Russian ships.

    The radical solution to the problem is to annex the territory of Estonia to Russia. It is clear that this cannot be done out of the blue. Only if NATO ships really pirate against Russian ships. If small vessels do this, then armed security groups with small-caliber guns, grenade launchers and machine guns will cope quite well. This is cheaper than patrolling and escorting patrol boats. As for sabotage operations, this is pure terrorism, which requires a mirror response from the participants and patrons. As for the Baltic Sea, Ukraine has shown the ways of its defense in the Black Sea even at a lower technological level. And the current diesel submarines for the Baltic are too large. Smaller and more automated boats are needed. Coastal missile batteries cover the entire sea and there is no need for large ships.
  42. 0
    21 February 2025 17: 07
    Well, if such a drinking party is going to start on the EU side. Then again, we should be little interested in the convenience of shipment for dear European buyers (no passage - forward to Nakhodka is loaded), Africa does not buy so much because of poverty, and they have more than enough from the Black Sea. We can even bring our ships under escort into the enclave. It is very fun to play these games together. The States will again quickly get busy with their fleet and will peddle our oil on a short leg to the EU, but at a higher price for resale, and in volumes that the EU itself bought. So there is no particular reason to worry. It is the EU that needs to think about, but will they be able to pull oil and fuel from America in addition to gas?
  43. -1
    28 February 2025 14: 58
    If all the Baltic pirate states are dying to get hold of a certain ship and take it to their port, then good riddance. Upon arrival in port, this ship can suddenly explode, tearing the Baltic Tortuga to shreds and discouraging piracy for a long time.
  44. -3
    28 February 2025 19: 18
    Let's face it. We have a TROUBLE with our fleet! With the entire fleet taken together. And in order to somehow level the playing field, the problem must be solved comprehensively. And this will take at least 20-30 years. We have no concept of the fleet, we do not understand what kind of fleet we need. The admirals themselves do not know what they want. Our scientific, production and personnel base has been destroyed. If it were not for Soviet ships with a threefold life cycle, we would be sailing in "canoes". All this must be revived practically from scratch.
  45. 0
    18 March 2025 20: 17
    A crappy idea. Why do we need diesel-electric submarines in the Baltic? What are our diesel-electric submarines? Submarines with a limited range, without an air-independent propulsion system, which anyone and everyone will see in the Baltic puddle when they surface to charge their batteries. Potential targets for destruction. And their "Kalibrs" will not be able to counter anyone or anything. Not a single means of destruction, not at all. It is not for nothing that the all-red-banner Baltic Fleet sat at its base the entire time of WWII and did not move. How many submarines were lost trying to break through minefields? If we do not begin large-scale construction of long-range and medium-range ships, then the entire Baltic, all-red-banner, is of no use, it is enough to simply irradiate potential targets with "Bastions".
  46. -1
    April 15 2025 23: 38
    The enemy cannot be strong everywhere. The author keeps silent about the example of Iran, which stopped piracy against tankers with its oil in the Mediterranean Sea with counteractions in the Persian Gulf. The Greeks and Brits are still hiccuping...
  47. -1
    27 May 2025 01: 24
    Lure the freaks onto a decoy tanker. They happily arrest it and bring it to the dock (or better yet, to unload). At night, the crew is evacuated by combat swimmers to Kaliningrad, and the tanker explodes spectacularly. At the very least, it pollutes the enemy's waters. At the very most, it washes away the unloading port.