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Hello from Putin: slightly and Sevastopol - as part of the Russian Federation

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The transfer to the Black Sea fleet of new ships, announced by the leadership of the Russian Federation, is aimed at strengthening the military presence in the Crimea with the subsequent inclusion of Sevastopol into Russia, following the example of Kaliningrad. This forecast was announced to me by naval officers based in Odessa:


“These plans cannot but concern us, because, unlike the political leadership, we, as the military, are well aware of the consequences of such plans. We took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine, and we will fulfill it with honor in case of any threat to the sovereignty of the country. ”

The former commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Igor Tenyuk, commented to the Day’s publication this statement by the leadership of the Russian Federation:

“As is known, Shoigu also announced that Russia wants to update the Black Sea Fleet in the number of 16 surface ships and six submarines. But, according to the agreements existing between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, the latter does not have the right to upgrade weapons, increase the number of equipment that is located on the territory of Ukraine, that is, in the Crimea. What the current Ukrainian leadership will do is hard for me to say. But I think they have enough sense not to allow it. Russia will try to do this because it needs to increase its presence in Sevastopol with the subsequent strategic idea - to make it like Kaliningrad, which is no longer a secret. How can this be achieved? Through the buildup of military force until a certain period, and later - raising the issue to the diplomatic level. But Ukraine has no right to allow this to happen! ”Said Tenyuk.

Earlier, while still prime minister, Vladimir Putin zealously advocated “deepening humanitarian relations” with Ukraine, since, in his opinion, this is more important than economic ties. And the Minister of Education Tabachnik, and the Russian “fifth column” in the Ukrainian parliament, headed by V. Kolesnichenko, helped him with this effort. By the way, elected to the BP from Sevastopol. Hence the “roots” and authorship of the new Law of Ukraine “On the basis of the state language policy”.

All the years of independence, in relations between Russia and Ukraine, the Crimea and Sevastopol were no less stumbling blocks than gas. Today they added the vehicle. There is still no clarity in the negotiations on these issues, and this cannot but enrage Russia, wishing to “crush” Ukraine by any means and methods, under its sole influence, essentially turning it into a satellite of the Russian Federation.

“Kharkiv agreements”, on which “regionals” pinned their hopes, and “benefits” from which they so ardently defended in parliament and society, despite their ambiguous assessment in Ukrainian society, Russia did not fulfill, and Ukraine promised not received. But even they could be a “prelude” to the now announced plans of the Russian Federation for the annexation of Sevastopol, as they say, “at gunpoint”.

After the last visit of V. Yanukovych “on a visit” to V. Putin, and then the signing of a course on the EU by Yanukovych, from the mouths of the first persons of the Russian Federation, a lot of harsh and offensive statements and comments were made to him and to Ukraine. Among them was announced the so-called. “Renewal” of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol, and in fact, the strengthening of Russia's military presence in the Crimea.

So, the quiet expansion of Russia in Ukraine from the humanitarian and economic planes also quietly develops into the military sphere.

The violation of agreements between Ukraine and Russia on the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol has been repeatedly violated earlier. And Russia can go and not yet for one violation - if it got away with it earlier, it will come down now. The reaction of the country's leadership in all these cases of violations was a sluggish, unconstructive situation and reducing everything “on the brakes”. And the appeals of various Russian politicians for the annexation of Sevastopol to the Russian Federation have also been repeatedly heard. They caused a heated discussion in the society and the political beau monde of Ukraine and were evaluated only as provocations of these individuals. But no one rated them as “artillery preparation” for the subsequent plans of the Russian Federation to increase their military presence in Sevastopol. And such plans are a direct threat to the national security and sovereignty of Ukraine.

The “chess game” between Russia and Ukraine continues. Putin made his next move. How will Yanukovych answer? Will play "defense Karakan" or "Sicilian defense"?

The question is, of course, interesting ...

And we all remain “hostages” of the result of this “chess game” - citizens of Ukraine.
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  1. zgenia44
    zgenia44 26 March 2013 16: 16
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    What is Russophobic material doing here? What did Russophobes get here too?
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 26 March 2013 16: 21
      76
      In "Military Materials" the same article ... why shove everywhere? check people's reactions? An anti-Russian article, there is nothing for her to do here, even if in a Nazi (in Ukraine she got a lot divorced) or near her press they publish ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 23
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        ShturmKGB

        In "Military Materials" the same article ... why shove everywhere?

        Not everyone goes there, most read articles here.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 35
          18
          For what is there a man put a minus to me, poked a button and went on fool
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 26 March 2013 17: 51
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Why did the man put me a minus,

            Sasha hi ! I can say one thing, it’s definitely not me laughing , but I can’t slam, evil I fellow , (opposite sign only) yes
            1. VAF
              VAF 26 March 2013 18: 06
              18
              Quote: Tersky
              but I can’t slam, evil I


              Vitya, why be angry with them, as with us ... "periodically" they remind the people of themselves ... "all sorts", and the theme .. "here are the oaths and eat our lard" ... already only probably the "pepsikola" is of interest! +! drinks
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 31
                +3
                Quote: vaf
                Vitya, why are you angry?

                Sergey, hi ! So I'm angry at the article, laughing , she is from the category "Let there be srach" wassat
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 26 March 2013 20: 03
                  35
                  Quote: Tersky
                  she is from the category "Let there be srach"

                  Yes, split off to the waist for this little article.

                  Today TWO significant dates in history!
                  1) On this day in 1999, a stealth was shot down in the skies of Yugoslavia:


                  2) On this day in 2000, all Russians, from among MEGATITANS and ULTRAISPOLINS, elected a modest person to the post of Head of State:


                  Congratulations to all. drinks
          2. VAF
            VAF 26 March 2013 18: 03
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            For what is there a man put a minus to me, poked a button and went on


            Sanya, do not drift, +! drinks You yourself say that ... all sorts of people go and read, and therefore ...... wassat
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 18: 18
              +3
              Quote: vaf
              You yourself say that ... all sorts of people go and read, and therefore.

              Hi flyers drinks Yes, spit on minus, I just didn’t write anything like that, but to someone in kaif laughing
              1. rodevaan
                rodevaan 27 March 2013 09: 26
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: vaf
                You yourself say that ... all sorts of people go and read, and therefore.

                Hi flyers drinks Yes, spit on minus, I just didn’t write anything like that, but to someone in kaif laughing


                - Come on, okay - put a plus! The main thing - do not worry so much :))
          3. krasin
            krasin 26 March 2013 20: 12
            -4
            Don’t worry, I’ll put a plus sign
          4. rodevaan
            rodevaan 26 March 2013 20: 51
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            For what is there a man put a minus to me, poked a button and went on fool


            - Well, what are you upset about these minuses again? :))) Well, they put compote in their mouths, is it so upsetting? :))

            PS - (I didn’t put it, but the reaction does not cease to be surprised)
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 30 March 2013 04: 16
              0
              Quote: rodevaan
              - Well, what are you upset about these minuses again? :))) Well, they put compote in their mouths, is it so upsetting? :))

              Yes, that's what ... For the minuses in the posts, comradesch in the shop easily removes 1000 minuses in the profile, and even threatens to lower the rating to "0" ...
              He will soon add everyone to the black list and hide from the "people" so that the rating does not deteriorate ...
              So be careful with the assessment of his pearls, colleagues ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 06: 38
                0
                Quote: Tartary
                For minuses in posts, tovarisch on the shop floor easily removes 1000 minuses in the profile, and even threatens to lower the rating to "0"

                And I’ll do it! And write why you took 1000, and whom and how you minus, sit an angel from yourself building.
              2. Tartary
                Tartary 30 March 2013 08: 10
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And I’ll do it! And write why you took 1000, and whom and how you minus, sit an angel from yourself building.

                Nothing of the kind, I'm not building myself - don't be rude!
                And I’ll write - let the people know ...
                But you will remove such truth, I have no doubt ...
                If you delete, then I’ll through a personal, send it and others to many users ...
                You, confident in your innocence, have removed 1000 ratings from me, for the fact that I have mined newcomers ...
                Alexander Romanov Yesterday, 06:32 | topic Minus 1000 ratings for starters, continue to minus the recurring comments of beginners, I will personally try to make your rating fall to 0.
                And I otminusnu them for the same placed faceless, short posts in different topics --- something like trolling, or I also admit that the site’s malfunction ...
                Did you see ... Follow? Well, well ... I wasn’t going to hide - I had no thoughts ... I just did as I was allowed by the rules of the site ... you change them (?), Blaming me for my desire to put - / + whom I consider necessary (?), And all the more so to influence my (my) decision (s) in this way?
                But in either case, it is your responsibility, as one of the moderators, to clean such creativity or if the program crashes, to warn the culprits (!) That they would monitor their feed posts in the office - I follow my posts and I want to offer others do the same ...
                I rarely duplicate my posts, but they do not consist of 5 words or even 20 ...
                After all, you lowered my rating before, and then hid behind a "black list", which is why I could not appeal to you in order to analyze the situation on the topic, and not even for the sake of the "+" that my dear colleagues put to me, and not " - ", which you and your opponents put to me ...
                By the way, how could you read my today's post? Yesterday I entered (Alaverds) you into the black list ... And, again, they used the right of a moderator for personal purposes? So follow me?
                For me, on the drum, a decrease or increase in rating, in principle, BUT is a matter of principle is the protection of one’s rights and dignity - if you want ...
                I was a general on our website even before your appearance, and then I was a colonel-general, which means I carried my opinion, which was shared by many colleagues, until you and your ... - the old company, drove me into minuses to the skulls .. Obviously, they could not "soul" transfer my allegorical appeals to you and Co., and their attitude to the right things, and then, they simply began to delete my posts, minus in chorus for everything that came across, and then open and completely non-abusive, in sense of site censorship, posts to your team ...
                It got to the point that you rubbed my posts on the topic "Flood on the site", where V. Smirnov sent the mainstream of flood, claims, heated discussions and internal showdowns ...
                At that time, the administration was tired of everything related to your “Artel and Co.” ... He stopped interfering in the proceedings of who is who and stopped delving into the appeal ...
                But you have reached a level, and others who climbed, besieged and see not childishly - I’m tired and ....
                I left (in vain!), Realizing that power with your use of the "administration" column is more expensive (I don't know why, these are your problems) and more important to you and several other creative comrades than equal discussion of articles and comments, even with sometimes overdone ...
                Then he considered returning - and you are old ...
                You, a colleague, write various correct and sometimes not very good things on the site, but you often behave in an open, and more often in a closed format, as the one that carries the ultimate truth. Many people see this, but do not want to contact you because of the above.
                What do you think is my (!) Truth ?????????????????
                Let the people read? Or wake up?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 08: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Tartary
                  And I otminusat them in a row posted the same faceless, short posts in different topics --- something like trolling, or I also admit that the site is malfunctioning.

                  There was a failure in the work of the site, because many on the site were faced with the problem of repeating comments. This does not give you the right to lower the person in the rating to zero. It was about this that I warned you.
                  Quote: Tartary
                  After all, you lowered my rating before, and then hid behind the "black list"

                  There were problems in the work of the emergency, sometimes I didn’t even see my own posts, but that doesn’t mean you were brought to the emergency. There were complaints from other visitors to the site with questions about the work of the emergency, all this is due to the transition of the site to a new engine.
                  Quote: Tartary
                  By the way, how could you read my today's post? I blacklisted you (alaverds) yesterday ...

                  You will not be able to add moderators to the emergency situations.
                  Quote: Tartary
                  Let the people read? Or wake up?

                  Write what you want. But as part of the rules of the site! Your personal showdown in PM, with which you do not agree, contact the administrator of the site.
                2. Tartary
                  Tartary 30 March 2013 09: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  There was a failure in the work of the site, because many on the site were faced with the problem of repeating comments.

                  What either forced or who to wave (with) a saber, and not restore justice in silence ...
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  This does not give you the right to lower the person in the rating to zero. It is about this that I warned you.

                  This is how I can do this - to lower someone to zero? Enlighten ...
                  Maybe I don’t know what, but can I use it?
                  Quote: Tartary
                  After all, you lowered my rating before, and then hid behind the "black list"

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  There were problems in the work of the emergency, sometimes I didn’t even see my own posts, but that doesn’t mean you were brought to the emergency.

                  How is it possible to say so impudently?
                  Are there problems at work now too ?? Can you remove your "site crash" by clicking the mouse wink , what would the buttons red-green be yours to see, but in PM what scribble ??? Not?? I knew it...
                  Ohhhhh, you and a liar ... - are you all looking for the rating ??
                  I foresee the goal - 1.000.000 ??????????????? lol
                  What kind of preferences arise there - the people are just wondering ...
                  I’m sure, then you will shut up the people’s mouth?
                  Yes, you’ll have to see again in a roundabout way to look out for your posts, including and to this comment of mine to you ...
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Write what you want. But as part of the rules of the site! Their personal showdown in PM .....

                  I have personal complaints about you (?) - yes, nothing, if anyone read above ... request
                  But judging by the posts to you on this topic, besides me, there is someone and about what to ask you questions ... So at some stage, personal becomes sometimes - a problem for many ... In general, as in LIFE. ..
                  Good luck ....................
                3. Anti
                  Anti 30 March 2013 14: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Tartary

                  Tartary RU Today, 08:10


                  That's right, the Marshalov’s gang didn’t break up and rallied more strongly and crushes all those who are objectionable and unyielding and avenges the munus assigned to it by all posts. hi
                  1. Tartary
                    Tartary 30 March 2013 14: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Anti
                    All right

                    Much more correct ... The above is an example of "fruitful" work to remove harmless comments ...

                    We are here about the people, parties, corruption, cohesion of the masses in achieving it - justice and truth, we post - we post, sparing neither time, nor nerves, nor knowledge, nor life experience ...
                    And it’s like ...
                    Censorship, however ...
                    It is a pity that not only words that are already prohibited by the Law of the Russian Federation - which is understandable and correct, but also free thought and personal opinion ...
                    Successfully we ... went to the light ... Moreover, all together.

                    I certainly have no desire to continue further ...
                    Not to anyone, and why not ...

                    To all colleagues - health, kindness and prosperity!
                    1. Anti
                      Anti 30 March 2013 15: 24
                      +1
                      Thank you for your support, then I hope you do not regret it. Don’t give up is not an option, the people on the forum understand and see everything. hi drinks
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 30 March 2013 19: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Anti
                    Marshal's gang did not break up

                    Mmm
                    GANG (it. banda) - sustainable in criminal law armed groupcreated to attack citizens or organizations. The combination of at least two persons for (most often) several independent, in the details of yet unknown crimes. In judicial practice, it is defined as a time-limited organizational union of persons subordinate to the will of one of them (if there is a common will), pursuing joint goals; moreover, they are in a relationship with each other that they feel themselves as one.
                    Sorry not that.
                    gang -
                    Etc.
                    2) colloquial form A company of people united by common interests (usually unworthy, reprehensible).
                    This is closer. laughing
                    And then you are all right in the accomplices of the organized criminal group Chohom recorded.

                    bully
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 26 March 2013 16: 47
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          Ukrainians boil in vain, this is another blah blah blah. It's just that the Ukrainian national elite (as well as the Russian one) must constantly keep the people in suspense, so that they think less about who controls them and what this will lead to. You have noticed that hysteria, catastrophes, accidents are being whipped up in the news, they are very relished, all kinds of "road wars", "rush hour", etc. When people are scared, they think less.
          1. JonnyT
            JonnyT 26 March 2013 17: 29
            13
            That's right - the old trick of politicians, distract your people from real problems, the fault of which is the authorities, fantastic stories about the attack of insidious neighbors.
            1. Rink
              Rink 26 March 2013 19: 35
              30
              Quote: JonnyT
              Roughly - an old trick of politicians, distract your people from real problems, the fault of which is the authorities, fantastic stories about the attack of insidious neighbors.

              Not only to distract, but also to arrange a provocation. Do you follow how the Ukrainian fascist Svoboda party operates? they come somewhere, arrange something loud there (demolition of a monument, for example), and leave. And then in the press "A monument was demolished in Sumy!", "A monument was demolished in Odessa!" - it seems that "Freedom" is supported everywhere.

              The purpose of this provocation is to create the impression that all Ukrainians are the same Holoborodki. But this is not so!

              The author Iryna Goloborodko, putting into the heads of readers the idea "And we all remain the" hostages "of the result of this" chess game "- the citizens of Ukraine", presents the matter as if the "chess game" is going between Ukraine and Russia, and is trying to form Ukrainians have a negative (growing into Russophobic) attitude towards Russia and towards our Russian brothers.

              But Ukraine is not a player in this game, and not even a spectator. In fact, the party is played between Russia and the Anglo-Saxon coalition (USA + Britain, for simplicity, let's call the State Department). The State Department has penetrated so deeply into Ukrainian structures that nothing is done in the country without the permission of the American ambassador.

              The trouble is that for the State Department, Ukraine is a chessboard, not a player. For the comprador Ukrainian "elite", each of which came to power with the consent of the aforementioned ambassador, Ukraine is a feeding trough, a way to make money. And each of them only monitors when it is time to make their feet - their interests in the country end in theft from the budget and the seizure of enterprises.

              Therefore, the interests of Ukraine by the State Department are not taken into account here at all. For them, Ukraine is a bargaining chip. The naive girl that they use as a buffer zone, on which (if there is expediency), they will unleash a civil war without hesitation. Or not civil ... The less Slavs left here, the better for them.

              From the possibility of the reunification of our peoples at the State Department, trembling hands and knees bend, they do not stop before any vileness, just to prevent this. Dumb Hillary Clinton said this bluntly at the end of her inglorious career.

              And the "author" Irina Goloborodko is a small ordinary soldier of the State Department (dreaming of a corporal, obviously, since she came here with this provocation).

              It is a pity that among Ukrainians there is such a high percentage of traitors who agree to give up their roots, culture and history, from their national identity for handouts from the State Department. Because the Ukrainians of the past were Slavs. And these are "gayropeans" without a past. And I'm sure! - without a future.
              1. Gari
                Gari 26 March 2013 23: 25
                +6
                Let me add a found article -
                Most of the world's population is disappointed with capitalism and a market economy. These are data from a survey commissioned by the BBC World Service and timed to coincide with the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
                According to the survey, only 11% of respondents believe that the current market system is functioning normally and does not require more stringent state control.
                In Russia, the collapse of the USSR was considered an evil by 61% of respondents, a good - 21%. In Ukraine, the number of opponents of the collapse was 54%, supporters - 27%.
                Once again, a survey commissioned by the World Service
                BBC !!!
              2. Prospero
                Prospero 27 March 2013 05: 35
                +7
                ... "There is such a high percentage of traitors among Ukrainians, who agree to give up their roots, culture and history, from their national identity for handouts from the State Department" ... And there are many of them in Russia. All this was, is and will be. Only such a minority, and the cry from them ...
              3. evgenm55
                evgenm55 29 March 2013 13: 41
                +1
                Brother, while in Ukraine there are people like you (and they, I think most) are ... they won’t succeed. Own vomit, the time will come, they will choke. Their history does not teach anything. I press a paw.
              4. edge
                edge 30 March 2013 03: 43
                0
                yes it’s known whose mill they pour water on, the millers sit in Berlin and London
          2. GG2012
            GG2012 26 March 2013 17: 34
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            Quote: S_mirnov
            Ukrainians are in vain boiling, this is another blah blah blah.

            You have definitely noticed that. 100% it's blah blah blah ...
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Just the Ukrainian national elite

            Here you are a little mistaken ...
            Tenyukh Igor Iosifovich (Ukrainian Tenyukh Igor Yosipovich), admiral, former commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine (2006-2010).
            A psychological portrait of this ... Lviv "Ukrainian" with Jewish roots, who became an "admiral" under Viktor Pryshav (Yushchenko), speaks for itself.
            For what kind of military merit and valor did he receive an admiral? You ask...
            And the loudest and the only military man who shouted "Russia is out of Sevastopol."
            On this "feat" ... you know, ... it is still necessary to "dare". You must have "courage". And "dignity" too ... one must have.

            Tenyukh Igor Iosifovich is known for reducing the combat strength of the Ukrainian Navy from 35 to 12 ships.
            23 ships were partially sold to Georgia and other buyers, partially cut to metal, partially rot at the piers until now.
            And also, Tenyukh I.Y., the same P_O_TS, who bought American batteries for the only Ukrainian submarine Zaporozhye, which, due to their size and shape, simply could not be carried and installed on the submarine.
            In 2011, I had to buy already Russian native batteries.

            Therefore, dear readers of the Voennoye Obozreniye forum, do not take it seriously, the groans of the orange "admiral", who, after 3 years in retirement, decided to shake off a thick layer of naphthalene, with a loud bunch into the dirty puddle of the Ukrainian media, with a completely idiotic statement "about Russian threats to Sevastopol ".
            Motivation of the act Tenyuha I.Y. quite obvious - I want to return to power and mop up the budget dough.
            1. GG2012
              GG2012 26 March 2013 17: 37
              +6
              Complement ...
              Tenyukh, Igor Iosifovich (Ukrainian Tenyukh Igor Yosipovich), Ukrainian military leader, admiral, former commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine (2006-2010).
              Biography

              Igor Iosifovich Tenyukh was born in 1958 in the city of Stryi, Lviv Region, URSR
              In 1982, he graduated from the Leningrad Higher Naval School named after M.V. Frunze.
              Officer service began as commander of the warhead of the ship.
              From 1983 to 1991 - the commander of the raid minesweeper, the commander of the distillation crew, senior assistant commander of the sea minesweeper, the commander of the sea minesweeper "Signalman", the head of the department for storage of weapons and equipment of the mine and anti-submarine weapons base.
              In 1991, he took part in the development of draft laws on the creation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as part of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Commission on Defense and State Security.
              1991-1995 — senior officer of the combat operations support department of the Navy department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, head of the department of naval command lines of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, head of the direction department of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
              In 1994, he graduated from the Institute of Foreign Languages ​​of the US Department of Defense, and in 1997, from the Department of Training Specialists of the Operationally - Strategic Level of the Academy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
              Since 1997, he was in the positions of commander of the 1 th brigade of surface ships, head of the organizational group for the formation of a squadron of diverse forces, commander of the 4 th squadron of diverse forces of the Ukrainian Navy.
              In 2002, he served as the commander of the Blackseafor multinational naval exercises.
              Active participant in the "orange" revolution.
              He resigned on July 18, 2005, explaining his decision by his reluctance to take part in the "destruction and destruction of the Navy."
              Since November 2005, he served as deputy chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. March 23, 2006, by Presidential Decree No. 252/2006, was appointed commander of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
              Since June 23, 2006, Vice Admiral.
              Since April 30, 2010 he was discharged to the reserve.
              By decree No. 741/2008 of August 20, 2008, President Viktor Yushchenko conferred the military rank of “Admiral” on Vice Admiral Igor Tenyukh, Commander of the Navy of the Armed Forces.
              By decree No. 357/2010 of March 17, 2010, he was relieved of the post of commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, with admission to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine.
              By decree No. 588/2010 of April 30, 2010 he was discharged from military service to the reserve due to health reasons with the right to wear military uniforms.

              Awards
              Order of Merit III Art. (August 20, 2007)
              Medal "For Military Service to Ukraine" (November 23, 1998)

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D2%E5%ED%FE%F5%2C_%C8%E3%EE%F0%FC_%C8%EE%F1%E8%F4%
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              1. Alexander-Tomsk
                Alexander-Tomsk 26 March 2013 17: 49
                11
                The minesweeper commander is Fleet Admiral, the fleet is powerful and large in Ukraine! Interestingly, they can even drive pirates from Mali? lol
                1. GG2012
                  GG2012 26 March 2013 17: 56
                  12
                  Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
                  Minesweeper Commander - Fleet Admiral

                  Yes ... We still have one ... a mana captain!

                  photo: "Admiral" Igor Tenyukh
                  1. Makarov
                    Makarov 26 March 2013 18: 44
                    +6
                    Well, erysipelas, Lord forgive me ...
                    1. morpex
                      morpex 26 March 2013 20: 21
                      15
                      Quote: Makarov
                      Well, erysipelas, Lord forgive me ...

                      Quote: Dmitry T
                      not our Makarov’s brother?

                      Yes, not ... It seems to me more likely your relative Serdyukov.
                      1. evgenm55
                        evgenm55 29 March 2013 13: 47
                        +1
                        Great answer, right in both eyes !!!
                    2. Denis
                      Denis 26 March 2013 22: 27
                      +4
                      Quote: Makarov

                      well and erysipelas
                      But the accelerant as the demobilization of the parrot troops
                      1. lapis lazuli
                        lapis lazuli April 8 2013 23: 19
                        +4
                        are these similar?
                      2. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 April 8 2013 23: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: lapis lazuli
                        are these similar?

                        belay Nowadays, even building a battalion hasn’t mocked itself like that. wassat laughing
                  2. Egor
                    Egor 27 March 2013 02: 26
                    +2
                    Erysipelas like erysipelas. And look what epaulettes! And the accelerators! And the orders are not clear for what they received! What do you think it is easy for a country to maintain such a number of generals and admirals without an army and navy? So stop mocking me. Brothers are also called! It would be better if they sympathized.
                2. Dmitry T
                  Dmitry T 26 March 2013 19: 12
                  0
                  not our Makarov’s brother? laughing
                3. wow
                  wow 26 March 2013 20: 15
                  +6
                  He is a hamburger cock, not an admiral! soldier
                4. rodevaan
                  rodevaan 26 March 2013 20: 54
                  +7
                  Quote: GG2012


                  photo: "Admiral" Igor Tenyukh


                  Admiral Igor Tenyukh! Wow

                  And now seriously - they have faces that we have the same thing. Worst of all, these fraternal peoples face our fraternal faces against our fraternal faces. More precisely, two divided parts of the same people.
                5. Gari
                  Gari 26 March 2013 23: 40
                  +2
                  The Ukrainian Navy includes 14 (fourteen!) Admirals.
                  Russian Black Sea Fleet is resting
                  1. Aeneas
                    Aeneas 27 March 2013 00: 37
                    -4
                    it is not true
                  2. rodevaan
                    rodevaan 27 March 2013 09: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: Gari
                    The Ukrainian Navy includes 14 (fourteen!) Admirals.
                    Russian Black Sea Fleet is resting


                    “I wonder if at least a third of the ships from this number will be typed there?”
                  3. evgenm55
                    evgenm55 29 March 2013 13: 49
                    0
                    Everything is correct for each ship according to the admiral. Probably, this has a very positive and effective effect on the military and political ...
                6. Gecko
                  Gecko 27 March 2013 00: 40
                  +1
                  Admiral 3 boats and already 1 rusty boat.
                  Exaggerated, but if the mess in Ukraine continues, then it will be so.
                  1. Denis
                    Denis 27 March 2013 00: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: gecko

                    Admiral 3 boats and already 1 rusty boat
                    It doesn’t matter, the Hungarian admiral Horthy was finally without the sea.
                    http://www.horthy.narod.ru/horthy2.html
                    1. Galan
                      Galan 28 March 2013 19: 21
                      0
                      Magyar Horthy was admiral of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. After the collapse of the empire, with the help of Nazi forces, Hungary came to power in Hungary. So he wore admiral epaulets by right.
                    2. Denis
                      Denis 29 March 2013 15: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: galan
                      So he wore admiral epaulets rightfully
                      Do you think that I posted the link without reading? No one disputed his rights, but the admiral of the then land satellite country, or rather almost the country, is simply ridiculous
                      When there is no present merit, past ones stick out
              2. wulf66
                wulf66 27 March 2013 02: 23
                0
                Hmmm ... he's some kind of toy ... Looks like a clown, but not real either.
            2. VAF
              VAF 26 March 2013 18: 12
              14
              Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
              The minesweeper commander is Fleet Admiral, the fleet is powerful and large in Ukraine!


              Of course you +! for a comment, but could not .. "pass by"! : wink

              Now "paraphrase" your thought under .. US - a regular seller of furniture in a store - the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation .... well, further .. about the mighty and great .... wassat

              Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
              Interestingly, they can even drive pirates from Mali?


              So "they chase that" .. SEAFANTS, not THESE .. "admirals mummers", and the SEAFARERS had one school RUSSIAN and SOVIET soldier
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 37
                +6
                Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
                Interestingly, they can even drive pirates from Mali?

                Quote: vaf
                . NAS is a freelance seller of furniture in the store - Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.

                Alexander, Sergei, don't hesitate, they both "drive" ... that's just Masha Kulakova ..., damn leaders ..
            3. Egor
              Egor 26 March 2013 18: 50
              +4
              No Sanya, they won't! Ukraine does not have a fleet, as well as an army! If it’s scary, we shout and thus scare off the "potential enemy". As a citizen of Ukraine, I affirm this !!! Police 380 thousand. and the army is 92 thousand. and want to cut it still. Often during a given year of service, a soldier never comes to a shooting. There is no need to talk about the fleet at all. Is it a fleet - a couple of small patrol boats and an ancient submarine that cannot submerge even for a short time?
              1. sergey700
                sergey700 26 March 2013 19: 48
                +1
                you see how the government respects the people of Ukraine, starting from Kravchuk and ... by the police fencing off, soon armored formations will be entered into the Ministry of Internal Affairs ..
                1. evgenm55
                  evgenm55 29 March 2013 13: 55
                  -1
                  Yes, and we are not better — the riot police are more than the SME staff, and you can’t count these riot police + deployed units of VV. They’re scared of you, that we have our own people more — the best are destroyed in the heat of civil and no matter which side, RUSSIAN. We have already passed this ...
              2. morpex
                morpex 26 March 2013 20: 34
                +2
                Quote: Egor
                Police 380tys. and the army 92tys. and want to cut back

                So they have already "docked with the land" to the point that their own people are more terrible for them than an external enemy ... Cop's budget this year exceeded spending on the army !!! Stsuki white - "BLUE"!
                The article is of course custom-made. You don’t have to go to the grandmother either. But in fairness, I want to note that the negative has been pouring on both sides recently.
              3. Klisha
                Klisha 26 March 2013 22: 06
                +2
                And for that, and for that she can plunge for a long time and even forever. It has no analogues dill. lol
              4. Denis
                Denis 26 March 2013 22: 30
                +1
                Quote: Egor
                Is it a fleet
                and what noise was when the Black Sea Fleet was divided!
                fuck?
                1. Gari
                  Gari 26 March 2013 23: 33
                  +2
                  The cruiser "UKRAINE" number is not assigned; not in service. There are no chances to join the Ukrainian Navy
                  1. Aeneas
                    Aeneas 27 March 2013 00: 41
                    -5
                    in Ukraine there is no Navy, there is a Navy. Ukraine does not need this cruiser, we really want to sell it for someone who is not expensive. I hope Russia.
                  2. rodevaan
                    rodevaan 27 March 2013 09: 31
                    -1
                    Quote: Aeneas
                    in Ukraine there is no navy, there is a navy ...


                    - Some words have been picked up by the owners of Zaokensk! Gentlemen fellow tribesmen on the other side of the border - are they not disgusted with themselves?
                  3. evgenm55
                    evgenm55 29 March 2013 13: 57
                    0
                    What did they minus you with? Plus.
              5. Gari
                Gari 26 March 2013 23: 35
                +3
                Submarine “Zaporozhye” (U-01) (not in service)
                1. Denis
                  Denis 26 March 2013 23: 46
                  +7
                  Quote: Gari

                  Submarine Zaporozhye (U-01)
                  And why the designation like the Nazis U, a coincidence?
                2. Aeneas
                  Aeneas 27 March 2013 00: 43
                  -4
                  in the ranks, and I suspect that the photo is not Zaporozhye, but the same Russian ex-Gorky Komsomolets of the Black Sea Fleet.
                3. biglow
                  biglow 27 March 2013 17: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: Aeneas
                  in the ranks, and I suspect that the photo is not Zaporozhye, but the same Russian ex-Gorky Komsomolets of the Black Sea Fleet.

                  no friend, it’s just Zaporozhye in this form in the docks of the Sev Mor plant started for repair ... laughing as one ensign said, Ukraine is crying ... crying
                4. biglow
                  biglow 27 March 2013 21: 41
                  -1
                  minusers minus, more is not enough tongue
        3. Aeneas
          Aeneas 27 March 2013 00: 39
          0
          firing from Kalash before the oath is mandatory.
          1. Denis
            Denis 27 March 2013 00: 44
            +5
            Quote: Aeneas

            firing from Kalash before the oath is mandatory.
            Just? Not a lot, this is at school earlier in the late 10th grade. on NVP at the training camp was
        4. Rink
          Rink 27 March 2013 00: 58
          +5
          Quote: Egor
          ... Police 380 thousand. and the army 92tys. and want to cut back ...

          And there is.
          Godikov, four or five years ago, I won’t say for sure, fell on the tail of some Ukrainian television program. There, a certain American police professional, who came to our place for consultations and exchange of experience, gave an interview to the press before leaving. The journalist asked him in that spirit, they say, like how do you find the level of training and equipment of our independent police? (Despite the fact that ordinary detectives had lower salaries than janitors, and of all the equipment they had, only ballpoint pens. The victim himself had to refuel their car if he wanted the detectives to go somewhere. Other the level of services is the same. In short, beggars, stepsons of the state!)
          Amerikos began to say something like "the level is like ours in the 30s of the last century", and then he got confused and swallowed his tongue - he realized that it was better not to tell the truth on camera. Then he remembered that it was possible to praise and began to tell that the lag in the Ukrainian police is not everywhere. For example, the riot control units (the ones used to break up demonstrations) are perfectly prepared. They regularly visit the shooting ranges, they constantly undergo exercises, and the equipment and equipment - literally! - our similar American units can envy.
          I saw the transmission myself, with my own eyes.

          Now compare this information with the state and training of the Ukrainian army, and you will understand what and who the Ukrainian government is afraid of. They tell us about the Stalinist terror! Yes, under Stalin, the entire USSR had several times less police than now in Ukraine alone!

          As for the army and the navy, I can only say: the American masters will in no way allow Ukraine to have a defensive armed forces. They don't need it. Unreliable, so to speak. It is not clear what can be expected "in which case"from the Ukrainian military, of which not all of them are still striving for NATO membership, but most of them speak Russian without an accent.
          The Yankees are more concerned with the disposal of all that we have. Do not spare money.

          Weapons are not supposed to slaves. They watched Hollywood movies about Spartak - they know what can happen. So the star-stripes themselves will come democracy clean out protect if that. And even berths for themselves according to the NATO model were ordered to build ...
      2. Denis
        Denis 26 March 2013 22: 25
        +3
        Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
        can they even drive pirates from Mali?
        Yes, easily, but from Odessa. What you have not heard about the long hikes of their fleet
        1. Gari
          Gari 26 March 2013 23: 29
          +2
          The Parliament of Ukraine on Wednesday, June 16, 2010, failed the law, which would give Viktor Yanukovych the right to decide on the use of armed forces outside the country. First of all, it was about the fight against pirates. Refusal from overseas voyages is explained not only by the deplorable state of the Naval Forces of Ukraine. Sending warships to the shores of Somalia today Kiev simply can not afford.
          “There has never been a question about the capture and punishment of terrorists. This is a disgrace to power. Shame on generals from foreign intelligence! There are legal grounds. It is allowed even in Somalia and in their territorial waters to capture and destroy criminals. There is simply no political will! ” - The deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Vladimir Karmazin was indignant today.
          The same arguments were made by the author of the initiative to send Ukrainian troops abroad - MP Kirill Kulikov, ex-head of the Interpol Bureau in Ukraine.
          “Remember how the tanker Moscow University was liberated - this was done by the warship Marshal Shaposhnikov. All of Russia was proud of it. It was a real gift for Victory Day. You can be proud of that. And we must be proud of our military. They must protect their citizens, ”Kulikov urged.
          1. Aeneas
            Aeneas 27 March 2013 00: 46
            +4
            Ukraine has officially confirmed its participation in the international operation against piracy "Ocean Shield", which is being led by NATO off the coast of Somalia.

            Oleg Voloshin, Director of the Information Policy Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, said that Ukraine will provide the Hetman Sagaidachny frigate with a deck helicopter and a group of special forces on board to participate in the operation. Voloshin said that at this time the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and NATO are coordinating technical issues related to the participation of the Ukrainian side in Operation Ocean Shield.
            "It is expected that the practical participation of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Operation Ocean Shield will begin in 2013," Voloshin said. According to him, this will be Ukraine's direct contribution to international efforts to strengthen security, as well as to protect Ukrainian sailors and crews who work on international sea trade routes.
    2. bord731
      bord731 26 March 2013 18: 53
      +3
      Order of Merit, III Art. (August 20, 2007). Foooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... Thank God that it wasn't August 08 ... And that is known as Ukraine "helped" Russia in that conflict ...
    3. Rink
      Rink 26 March 2013 20: 56
      +9
      Quote: GG2012
      In 1994 he graduated from the Institute of Foreign Languages US Department of Defense

      Here. This is a key event in the biography.
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 26 March 2013 21: 05
        +3
        Quote: Skating rink
        Here. This is a key event in the biography.

        I agree. Here they will teach to "love" the Motherland in the color of a striped mattress.
        1. Rink
          Rink 26 March 2013 22: 11
          +4
          Quote: GG2012
          I agree. Here they will teach to "love" the Motherland in the color of a striped mattress.

          The most interesting thing is that almost all the more or less large military leaders of the modern Ukrainian army have a similar line in the biography. And among government officials ... And some politicians, especially from the new generation ...

          And when you consider that many of them have accounts in foreign banks, villas in Miami or Nice, and apartments in New York or London, plus a second passport in your pocket, and the children study abroad - what kind of squareness can we talk about ?! They absolutely do not care what will happen to us - the main thing is to curry favor with the owners, so that they can then escape and live quietly on the stolen.
          It’s sad ... I don’t know what to do.
          They just merge us.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 27 March 2013 03: 00
            +7
            Quote: Skating rink
            many of them have accounts in foreign banks

            For some reason, I want to believe that in Cyprus ...
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 27 March 2013 03: 21
              +7
              Quote: Kaa
              I want to believe that in Cyprus ...

              You are angry am but fair laughing They didn’t want to invest money in their country — they would give someone else’s SSSuki!
            2. Kaa
              Kaa 27 March 2013 04: 15
              +8
              Quote: Ruslan67
              They didn’t want to invest money in their country — they would give someone else’s SSSuki!

              Fryer's greed ruined ... on state investments, I think, Russian, a compromise will be reached ... not suicides in Cyprus, but private ones - "a thief stole a club from a thief," all the same, these money cried. By the way, I don’t know how on Russian TV, but on Ukrainian and Euronews they showed - the Cypriots are not raving like a child, the most censorship is “Merkel = Hitler ... to be continued ...
  • Kaetani
    Kaetani 26 March 2013 20: 16
    +2
    Not only that, I agree with the conclusions.
    Taki plus put also for knowledge of the material:
    "And also, Tenyukh I.Y., the same P_O_TS,"
  • DimychDV
    DimychDV 27 March 2013 07: 46
    +1
    By the way, the tonality of both Tenyukh and Goloborodko is very moderate - it is likely that in the Donbass they will create the appearance of a logical fear, and "zapadEntsy" will like it, and push the center to some kind of stirring. Apparently, in their ideologically torn country, this is now the best option.
  • bord731
    bord731 26 March 2013 18: 37
    +1
    Looks like the State Department got to independent, and began training in the conduct of the information war ...
    1. Prokop
      Prokop 26 March 2013 22: 13
      +3
      Quote: bord731
      Looks like the State Department got to independent, and began training in the conduct of the information war ...

      The State Department did not reach, but settled with us, and for a very long time. It’s just that it became very noticeable under Yushche, but with the advent of Yanukovosch nothing changed, he simply disguised himself better, the same conduit was a reserve.
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 26 March 2013 22: 03
    +5
    Quote: S_mirnov
    It’s just that the Ukrainian national elite (as well as the Russian one) must constantly keep the people in suspense so that they think less about who controls them and what this will lead to.

    To be honest, the Ukrainian people are already tired of circus performance, what the "national elite" is doing! will play out someday.
    and Sevastopol will always be a Russian city!
  • predator.3
    predator.3 26 March 2013 18: 31
    11
    All the years of independence, in relations between Russia and Ukraine, Crimea and Sevastopol were no less "stumbling blocks" than gas.


    And how do you like this card!
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 26 March 2013 18: 46
      +7
      I really like - my city enters, it means everything is fine)))))) When are the tanks already expected ?, and then everything becomes completely sad ...
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 26 March 2013 20: 55
        +2
        Quote: Makarov
        I really like - my city enters, it means everything is fine)))))) When are the tanks already expected ?, and then everything becomes completely sad ...


        - What tanks? Let's better fat and loaves of vodka! It will be both more pleasant and more familiar :)
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 28 March 2013 06: 09
          0
          Natsik went on very fierce, and they would gnaw at the bacon and devour the cow, and that’s how one will have to plump under the sleeve ... it’s also not enough health .... absolutely fierce go))
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 26 March 2013 21: 51
      +6
      Ukrainian militant self-oppressors curse Tsarist Russia, the USSR, the Russian Federation in ALL their misfortunes and troubles .... But I wonder WHAT would be the map of Ukraine AT THIS TIME (without Ukraine entering the above two states)? The answer suggests itself: minus the Crimea (Tatars , Turks); Western Ukraine (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks), etc. It is a pity not strong in computer graphics, to depict, would, funny and edifying picture would come out. Together, whether under the Two-Headed, whether under the Sickle-Hammer, whether, but WE were, as an example, stronger and stronger.
      1. Egor
        Egor 27 March 2013 00: 58
        +4
        It is necessary to revive Great Russia, which will include Russia, Little Russia, and Belarus!
    3. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy 26 March 2013 22: 11
      21 th
      In DUPU empire and Russian including ..
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 27 March 2013 00: 46
        +9
        Empires are forever recorded in history ...
        And loser states have the fate of sixes.
      2. biglow
        biglow 27 March 2013 18: 01
        +2
        Quote: Mefodiy
        In DUPU empire and Russian including ..

        you there too
        1. Mefodiy
          Mefodiy 27 March 2013 23: 54
          -8
          Quote: biglow
          Quote: Mefodiy
          In DUPU empire and Russian including ..

          you there too


          After you ... maybe .... sovereign emperor wink
      3. Denis
        Denis 27 March 2013 18: 54
        +3
        Quote: Mefodiy

        In DUPU
        Et who got used to
        Love so young, the owners will praise
      4. edge
        edge 30 March 2013 03: 59
        0
        Quote: Mefodiy
        In DUPU Empire
        in-in, you see the usual .......... take
    4. Egor
      Egor 27 March 2013 00: 07
      0
      Predatjr Your card is extremely incorrect! Well, if you take Novorossia so it was called the Moscow kingdom. And if you had in mind Little Russia, then if you please, attach the entire left-bank part !!! There was no Crimea, nor Odessa, nor Donbass, and Kiev (the mother of Russian cities) and Chernihiv (the great Russian city) have already glorified themselves! So if you really decided to share, then share in fairness! And if not, then we will give you back to the Tatars! Do you get it?
      1. Rink
        Rink 27 March 2013 15: 38
        +3
        Quote: Egor
        Predatjr Your card is extremely incorrect! Well, if you take Novorossia so it was called the Moscow kingdom. And if you had in mind Little Russia, then if you please, attach the entire left-bank part !!! There was still no Crimea, no Odessa, no Donbass, and Kiev (the mother of Russian cities) and Chernihiv (the great Russian city) have already glorified themselves! .....


        One of the common historical myths.
        The statement "Kiev is the mother of Russian cities" goes back to the fragment "The Tale of Bygone Years by the chronicler Nestor, dated 882." And Oleg the prince in Kiev, and Oleg's speech. "Behold, wake up mother with Russian hail".
        Nestor the Chronicler belonged to the school of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, and the monasticism of the Lavra owes its appearance to Byzantium and strictly adhered to the Byzantine tradition. Academician D.S. Likhachev assumed that this phrase is the result of semantic tracing correlated with the Greek word "metropolis". That is, in his opinion, Oleg declared Kiev the capital of the possessions that he inherited during his reign. Hence the characteristic term "metropolis", translated as "the mother of cities".
        Why do historians have this phrase in doubt? In addition, what is the identity of Nestor himself raises questions from researchers?
        Well, for example, such a consideration.
        The first population census was carried out by the Tatars in Kiev land, Podolia, possibly in Pereyaslav and Chernigov lands, in 1245. In 1258-1259. The census was carried out in the Grand Duchy of Vladimir and in Novgorod land, in 1260 - in Galich and Volyn.
        In 1274-1275 years. Eastern principalities were rewritten, as well as Smolensk. According to the results Principality of Vladimir-Suzdal (future Muscovy) - 3 million people, Kiev land - 200 thousand people. The Nizhny Novgorod and Tver principalities amounted to 1 million people each, according to the Tatar mobilization plan.
        Tell me: can outlying Kiev with a population 25 times less than only three Great Russian principalities (this has not yet taken into account the rich and densely populated Novgorod land!) Be their "mother"? And who is "father", by the way? With what speed should the immigrants from Kiev multiply in order to surpass the population of their native Kiev region by 25 times in a hundred years? Is it real ?!
        And given that in times much earlier, the same Scandinavian sagas called the Novgorod lands "the country of cities" (Gardariki), the patriotic statement of the Kiev chronicle does not pull on something more serious than a poetic exaggeration.

        And purely logically: it is strange when "Little Russia" or "Novorossiya" is declared the ancestor of "Great Russia" - is it not? The history of other such examples does not know. For example, the proud Swedes called their present Sweden in the sagas Malaya Svitod, and the legendary land of their ancestors - Great Svitod, and placed it somewhere east of Tanakvisl (Don).
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 29 March 2013 09: 50
          0
          Quote: Skating rink
          The first population census was carried out by the Tatars in Kiev land, Podolia, possibly in Pereyaslav and Chernigov lands, in 1245. In 1258-1259. The census was carried out in the Grand Duchy of Vladimir and in Novgorod land, in 1260 - in Galich and Volyn.
          In 1274-1275 years. Eastern principalities were rewritten, as well as Smolensk. According to the results of the Vladimir-Suzdal principality (future Muscovy) - 3 million people, Kiev land - 200 thousand people. The Nizhny Novgorod and Tver principalities amounted to 1 million people each, according to the Tatar mobilization plan.
          Tell me: can outlying Kiev with a population 25 times less than only three Great Russian principalities (this has not yet taken into account the rich and densely populated Novgorod land!) Be their "mother"? And who is "father", by the way? With what speed should the immigrants from Kiev multiply in order to surpass the population of their native Kiev region by 25 times in a hundred years? Is it real ?!

          Compare the results of this census with the number of people who lived in Kievan Rus BEFORE the invasion. Even in the Soviet years, archaeologists found more than 300 cobbled hillforts on the territory of Ukraine ...
    5. Aeneas
      Aeneas 27 March 2013 00: 47
      -7
      and didn’t include Novorossiysk in Novorossia? recourse
    6. Tartary
      Tartary 30 March 2013 04: 23
      -1
      Quote: predator.3
      And how do you like this card!

      Noble card ...
      I'm worried about the overpopulation of the Crimea, in the event of its abrupt joining Mother Russia ...
      After all, the people of Eastern Ukraine, may want to move to the Crimea, while the essence and the deal with the showdown will be ...
  • sergey700
    sergey700 26 March 2013 19: 39
    +1
    another example of head-on collision (the enemy guys are not asleep, the war is on all fronts), but I will say more about the interview with this "misdirected" nomadic.
  • domokl
    domokl 26 March 2013 20: 16
    +2
    winked Hmm ... An article by a true ideologist of self-independence in a skirt ... An interesting approach to the problem .. Interesting in how opponents think ...
    Russia is sleeping and sees Ukraine in a pose of sow ... lol But these articles are also read by ordinary people, not particularly burdened with intelligence. The calculation is on the thirst for justice, on the insult to Ukraine ...
    So we need to have, in addition to shouting about the brotherhood and greatness of Russia, arguments against this position ... So far, having read the comments, I see more hatred ...
    It is true that such an article appeared here ... Information about the enemy must be complete ...
    1. Egor
      Egor 27 March 2013 01: 20
      +3
      domokl - I agree with you! You see, we Ukrainians have long ceased to believe their government, and this article is no longer fooled. It is a pity that the Russians still do not understand this. And the article is a PR designed for the "gray mass". A thinking person will understand that this is incitement to hatred! Russians - we don't believe it and you don't! And the government in Ukraine, I think, will soon wait for the reaction of the people.
  • Suhov
    Suhov 26 March 2013 17: 56
    +6
    ShturmKGB
    An anti-Russian article, she has nothing to do here, let it be printed in the Nazi (in Ukraine, a lot of it) or around her press ...

    Well, why are you like this? Let all points of view be presented.
    Approach like Noah: "Each creature in pairs!"
    PS. All characters are fictitious, all matches are random ...
    wassat
  • smel
    smel 26 March 2013 16: 25
    +5
    What is Russophobic material doing here?
    Read the author's name. Imagine. Everything will fall into place.
    1. elmi
      elmi 26 March 2013 16: 44
      +9
      Quote: smel
      What is Russophobic material doing here?
      Read the author's name. Imagine. Everything will fall into place.

      The author who wrote the article on this site has nothing to do with it. She is taken i.e. copied from the Ukrainian site by a forum member (there is a link under the article) registered here on this site. Anyone can find an article anywhere and post here, in different directions, pro-Russian or anti-Russian
    2. Egor
      Egor 27 March 2013 02: 03
      +2
      What does the last name have to do with it? My friend is nationalism! There are many such names in Russia, and vice versa. My mother's surname is Russian maiden (she is a Don Cossack) and Ukrainian by marriage. My father was a pure Ukrainian, but he loved Russia with all his heart. By the way, on the Don they considered him their own and respected him very much, and this is not so easy to deserve from the Cossacks. So there is no need to fantasize, but to figure out where the people are and where the "dirty politics" is! Flies separately, - cutlets separately!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 25
    +8
    Quote: zgenia44
    What is Russophobic material doing here? What did Russophobes get here too?

    different points of view, you will know what some say about Russia.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 26 March 2013 20: 57
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: zgenia44
      What is Russophobic material doing here? What did Russophobes get here too?

      different points of view, you will know what some say about Russia.


      - Yes, what Svidomo scumbags of various kinds say about Russia in independent Lviv is not news. It is enough just to see how the elderly Natsik-disadvantages dance round there.
      1. Egor
        Egor 27 March 2013 02: 13
        +2
        There is a black sheep in any herd! With people even harder! Look at the bulk. By the way, western Ukraine is not all like that - in Uzhgorod there is no nationalism, and in Ivano-Frankivsk it is worse than in Lviv, but for some reason Russians like to go to Ivano-Frankivsk for a vacation and eastern Ukrainians do not!
        1. rodevaan
          rodevaan 27 March 2013 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: Egor
          There is a black sheep in any herd! With people even harder! Look at the bulk. By the way, western Ukraine is not all like that - in Uzhgorod there is no nationalism, and in Ivano-Frankivsk it is worse than in Lviv, but for some reason Russians like to go to Ivano-Frankivsk for a vacation and eastern Ukrainians do not!


          - I do not speak for everyone or for the majority, I say that instead of crushing this bastard, what is there, what is here - the current Ukrainian "government", or rather the enemies of the people, they rock this boat even more strongly, arrange provocations. It would be fine if they were just screaming about independence, but these people are beginning to grumble at the concept associated with fascism and Victory, speculate on this and trample it into the mud. That is, they trample in the mud the memory of our common dead fathers and grandfathers, who lay down with bones and gave us all freedom. This is infuriating. And it also enrages that it is not external enemies, such as small-britt, Pin-dos and other "Swedes" who are engaged in this, but their own, their own tribesmen.
  • KuigoroZHIK
    KuigoroZHIK 26 March 2013 16: 32
    15
    Violation of agreements between Ukraine and Russia on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol were repeatedly violated earlier.
    - this cannot be Russophobic material. This is undermining the situation. And it is written in an illiterate language.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 26 March 2013 18: 11
      +6
      As far as I remember, violation of the agreements between Ukraine and Russia on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol was violated by the Ukrainian side. And if, honestly, Sevastopol is a native Russian city, isn't it?
      1. Joonkey
        Joonkey 26 March 2013 19: 03
        +5
        Yes sir! Like the Crimea itself, but ... time, I think, will put everything in its place.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas 27 March 2013 00: 49
          -4
          in the 91st, Crimea and Sevas voted for the Independence of Ukraine.
          1. Rink
            Rink 27 March 2013 21: 05
            +1
            Quote: Aeneas
            in the 91st, Crimea and Sevas voted for the Independence of Ukraine.

            FALSE, without any foundation!

            On December 1, 1991, a referendum was held in Ukraine with the question: “Do you confirm the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine?” ...... In Crimea, 62% of the citizens included in the lists participated in the referendum. ..... Two-thirds of Crimean voters (973 people) either voted “against” or did not participate in the referendum.
            .....

            After the Bialowieza Agreement and the collapse of the USSR in Crimea, another referendum was initiated. In accordance with the current legislation, hundreds of thousands of signatures were collected for holding a new Crimean referendum on the following issues: “Taking into account the illegality of the 1954 acts on the transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR, taking into account the will of the people of Crimea expressed in the Crimean referendum on January 20, 1991, and in connection with the results of the Crimean vote on the issue of the all-Ukrainian referendum on December 1, 1991, you are for independent The Republic of Crimea in Union with other states? ” However, an unlimited moratorium was unlawfully declared to hold such a referendum, which actually prohibited its holding.

            On June 26, 1994, a general survey was conducted in Sevastopol on the status of the city. 90% of the city's population supported the Russian status of the city. Based on this, the Sevastopol City Council of People's Deputies adopted a resolution on August 23, 1994:
            "1. Recognize the Russian legal status of the city of Sevastopol.
            2. To confirm the principled position of the city Council on Sevastopol as the main base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, expressed in all previously adopted decisions of the city Council of the XXI and XXII convocation. "

            The appeal of the Sevastopol City Council of People's Deputies to the leadership of Russia and Ukraine states that "De jure city Sevastopol and still part of the Russian Federationsince when the transfer in 1954 of the Crimean region from Russia to Ukraine, the Decree of 1948 on the status of the city of Sevastopol was not canceled, and the subsequent extension of the jurisdiction of Ukraine to the city of Sevastopol accepted unilaterally».


            Source
            1. Aeneas
              Aeneas 27 March 2013 21: 47
              -3
              why do you think that those who did not vote, a priori "against"? Then you can think of a lot of things, including about the election of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin as President of Russia, because 45 million voters voted for him, and a total of 109 million voters ... In Crimea and Sevas, more than half of those who came to the referendum voted for Independence (turnout more than half ).
              1. Rink
                Rink 27 March 2013 22: 36
                +2
                I will answer in an abridged version if it is difficult to read a lot. Reduce to a couple of sentences:

                .... In 1991 ... Two-thirds Crimean voters (973 653 people) or voted against or did not participate in the referendum. .... June 26, 1994 ... a survey in Sevastopol ... 90% of the population .... behind Russian city status.

                You see, if two-thirds are either against or did not come, then only one-third are in favor? It can be considered that the Crimea spoke in favor of secession? And 90% in Sevastopol is 90%. In any way, you have expressed above what is not true.

                I understand perfectly well that these facts spoil the whole picture that they painted in their dreams for the "independent". The soul does not accept. But these are facts, history. And even if you give me at least a thousand minuses, the results of the 1991 and 1994 voting will remain the same.

                Learn to accept the world as it is, and not as it wants to be. The fact that so far only a part of the degenerates among the Ukrainian population shares the ideas of self-independence, or rather hostility towards Russia, is also a fact. Not all seek to become the litter of the West.
                And at least get caught there - it’s violet to me.
                1. Aeneas
                  Aeneas 27 March 2013 23: 30
                  -2
                  you exist in a world of illusions, but your illusions harm Russian-Ukrainian relations. insults, threats, twisting of facts are the lot of weak but vicious moral dwarfs who have largely occupied the forum of this site. Ukrainophobia is becoming a positive characteristic for "patriots", although let's call a spade a spade. This is fascism.
                  1. Rink
                    Rink 28 March 2013 01: 18
                    0
                    Let's see who exists in the world of illusions?
                    You stated earlier that Crimea and Sevastopol voted for non-blockiness.
                    I gave you the results of voting in the Crimea and Sevastopol, which can be found on the Internet on dozens of sites - just look.

                    The documented results of the will of the people did not confirm your initial statement (where did you get it from? From the ceiling ?!).

                    After that, you began to salivate and recall the weak, but evil moral dwarfs. Fate of the strong and kind - to lie that was not there, or what ?!
                    You don’t confuse anything for an hour?

                    And isn’t that the one who lives in a world of illusions who cannot bring evidence in support of his words and gives out his wishful thinking?
                    1. Aeneas
                      Aeneas 28 March 2013 08: 04
                      0
                      You have not "improved" anything. What is the survey, the number of respondents in 1994? No matter how much I google, I can't find the answer. repeat A couple of Ukrainophobic-minded taaishcha asked the opinion of their own kind and decided that they were 90%. In contrast to this "poll", the results of the referendum for the Independence of Ukraine in Sevastopol are well known - the turnout for 60% and "for" - 54%. Such a turnout will be the envy of many modern elections, especially in Russia. And besides, the course of the referendum in Sevastopol was completely controlled by the naval and civil, obviously not about the Ukrainian authorities. The last 15 years in Ukraine there have been many elections, and Sevastopol is taking part in them, as Sevastopol always vote for representatives of general Ukrainian parties, and not for marginalized people fighting for the separation of Crimea and Sevastopol from Ukraine. The days of the dashing 90s are over.
                    2. xan
                      xan 28 March 2013 16: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Aeneas
                      and not the marginals advocating the separation of Crimea and Sevastopol from Ukraine.

                      Do you have such parties?
                      In Sevastopol, Ukraine is despised, this is visible even to ordinary tourists
              2. Aeneas
                Aeneas 27 March 2013 23: 35
                0
                and who will minify you? You will receive heaps of pluses and titles of general marshals if you talk about the "truth" that Ukraine does not exist, the Ukrainian language is a peasant dialect, Ukrainians are Russophobes, Russia needs to take its lands: Crimea, Sevas, Ukrainian South-East, etc. ...
        2. RUS-36
          RUS-36 27 March 2013 22: 52
          0
          Independence of Ukraine. - One phrase is worth it. "Eloquently", almost For the Bedsores of Ukraine.
          It’s sad, but more and more visible in the media, the tendency to pit two BROTHER nations and a vivid example, this article. negative
    2. Egor
      Egor 26 March 2013 19: 19
      -1
      If we consider Sevastopol as primordially Russian, then I think with the same success it can be considered primordially Greek, Tatar, Turkish, and even English! This reminds me of Japan's claims to Sakhalin and the Kuriles. Let's remember the Russian city of Chernigov and Kiev, and then about the "Kievan Rus" and will present not Ukraine but "Kievan Rus" territorial claims for possession of Novgorod to no longer Russia but to the "Drevlyano-Krivichs". How is it? I think it's insanity. So let's not do that - okay? Sorry if you offended - I didn't want to offend, but only wanted to show the absurdity of your claims!
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 26 March 2013 21: 00
        +2
        Quote: Egor
        If we consider Sevastopol as primordially Russian, then I think with the same success it can be considered primordially Greek, Tatar, Turkish, and even English! This reminds me of Japan's claims to Sakhalin and the Kuriles. Let's remember the Russian city of Chernigov and Kiev, and then about the "Kievan Rus" and will present not Ukraine but "Kievan Rus" territorial claims for possession of Novgorod to no longer Russia but to the "Drevlyano-Krivichs". How is it? I think it's insanity. So let's not do that - okay? Sorry if you offended - I didn't want to offend, but only wanted to show the absurdity of your claims!


        - Why so? And what did you dislike about Kievan Rus? And by the way, it is a good idea to unite one people together, so that Kiev and Chernigov and our other cities are in one state, as they were centuries before. For only together we are power.
        1. Mefodiy
          Mefodiy 26 March 2013 22: 23
          -4
          [quote = rodevaan] [quote = Egor]

          - Why so? And what did you dislike about Kievan Rus? And by the way, it is a good idea to unite one people together, so that Kiev and Chernigov and our other cities are in one state, as they were centuries before. For only together we are power. [/ Quote]
          We really like Kievan Rus (HONESTLY). We don’t like the instructive (mentoring, commanding, etc.) tone in communication from immediate relatives and dividing us into normal x ... v and defective x..v (native western Ukrainians)
          1. andrejwz
            andrejwz 26 March 2013 23: 57
            -3
            Quote: Mefodiy
            We don’t like the instructive (mentoring, commanding, etc.) tone in communication from immediate relatives and dividing us into normal x ... v and defective x..v (native western Ukrainians)

            So do not share !!!
          2. Egor
            Egor 27 March 2013 00: 49
            -1
            Mefjdiy You are probably a sniper - right in 10! Bravo!!! Very well said !!! Totally agree with you. Supremacy is the embryo of nationalism, but I do not recognize nationalists from this as well as from that side!
          3. rodevaan
            rodevaan 27 March 2013 09: 52
            +2
            Quote: Mefodiy

            We really like Kievan Rus (HONESTLY). We don’t like the instructive (mentoring, commanding, etc.) tone in communication from immediate relatives and dividing us into normal x ... v and defective x..v (native western Ukrainians)


            - Nobody divides anyone into normal and defective. And there is no mentor tone. We are one people, whether someone wants it or not, because historically it happened. But unfortunately in every nation there are black sheep and cattle that are not engaged in strengthening the state, not strengthening ties between people, but rather on loosening the situation and arrogant provocation, getting their 30 pieces of silver from over the hill, or realizing their personal inferiority complexes . And absolutely normal people who want to live together, in peace and harmony, suffer at the same time. I’m talking about this.
            And sooner or later, our people on both sides of the border will see and crush these lice.
        2. Egor
          Egor 27 March 2013 00: 35
          +2
          Well, I answer what is wrong! Apparently you have inattentively read my comment. This is a response to ia-ai00 comment. And just the division of Sevastopol outraged me, as if we had taken it and now a righteous Russian citizen is shaming us. So I showed the absurdity of these claims. And I really like the idea of ​​a united country! I am half Russian and half Ukrainian, and I have most of my relatives in Russia. Am I a Russian speaker? How can I not love Russia and be against unification? I grew up in the USSR. In Soviet times, he served. Brotherly people, but there are individuals who consider themselves superior and on this basis make claims, including territorial ones. You want to unite - so let's unite and not share!
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan 27 March 2013 18: 13
            +1
            Quote: Egor
            Well, I answer what is wrong! Apparently you have inattentively read my comment. This is a response to ia-ai00 comment. And just the division of Sevastopol outraged me, as if we had taken it and now a righteous Russian citizen is shaming us. So I showed the absurdity of these claims. And I really like the idea of ​​a united country! I am half Russian and half Ukrainian, and I have most of my relatives in Russia. Am I a Russian speaker? How can I not love Russia and be against unification? I grew up in the USSR. In Soviet times, he served. Brotherly people, but there are individuals who consider themselves superior and on this basis make claims, including territorial ones. You want to unite - so let's unite and not share!


            - It's like that. And many people agree there and there. Why should we share? Who do we share? Territory? So there has always been so much of our land - not counting - the main thing is that there is someone to cultivate and cultivate!
            But let’s squeeze — they will throw us out of our land, and the NATO boot will be the boss here.
  • Egor
    Egor 27 March 2013 02: 16
    0
    Not in the eyebrow - but in the eye !!! Right!
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 26 March 2013 16: 40
    +9
    Quote: ...
    a little bit and Sevastopol-as part of the Russian Federation


    What kind of provocation? Irina, I understand you are a fan of extreme sports, but not to the same extent
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 26 March 2013 17: 44
      +4
      Quote: Vadivak
      What kind of provocation?
      Vadim hi ! Tomorrow, an article will be posted on the "capture" of Odessa and the "fall" of Kiev ... because, I quote the author:
      And we all remain “hostages” of the result of this “chess game” - citizens of Ukraine.
      only on whose "board" and what figures the pariah is played by the citizens of Ukraine do not know ..
  • z-exit
    z-exit 26 March 2013 16: 43
    10
    Quote: zgenia44
    What is Russophobic material doing here? What did Russophobes get here too?

    Well, what are you comrade! Be tolerant !!!
    (Joke)
    Actually, the article is not so bad, and there is no need to “minus” it, just because it was presented to you from a different angle. And it will be a one-sided site do not think? It’s interesting for me sometimes to look at the problem of another country through the eyes of its inhabitants.
    The author of the article allows the Russian layman to look at the problem through the eyes of part of the population of Ukraine and its elite (I’ll refrain from speculating on how numerous this layer is there)
    And you see, they took the "zaminusuyut" all articles about Berezovsky. I understand that Berezovsky’s personality is unpleasant. For me, he’s generally disgusting ... But what does the article have to do with it? Especially notice - there is a continuous quote. What do not like the statement of the official? Well, I'm sorry, and I don't like it either.
    But let’s learn to judge flies separately from cutlets.
    I think the article is not bad. Thanks to the author for the “Russophobian” material. Put "+"
    1. Grey68
      Grey68 26 March 2013 17: 20
      +4
      I agree with the previous comment, I haven’t had fun with the article for a long time.
    2. ABV
      ABV 26 March 2013 20: 33
      -1
      I fully support ... and it really is, sometimes it seems that people on the site, without even reading comments or articles, are wet with minuses in a row in order to be in the trend of urr patriot ...
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 26 March 2013 21: 26
        +3
        Quote: ABV
        I fully support ... and it really is, sometimes it seems that people on the site, without even reading comments or articles, are wet with minuses in a row in order to be in the trend of urr patriot ...

        In my opinion, this is the biggest problem of the site. Discussions, as such, are very few. No arguments are presented, but just some kind of bacchanalia begins. I would still like to have some kind of dialogue. I don’t like someone’s point view? Well, do not agree, argue, but in the framework of decency, at least .... And then so long and disappointed in the strong half of humanity. IMHO.
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 26 March 2013 22: 11
          +2
          Quote: Tverichanka
          In my opinion, this is the biggest problem of the site. Discussions, as such, are very few. No arguments are presented, but just some kind of bacchanalia begins. I would still like to have some kind of dialogue. I don’t like someone’s point view? Well, do not agree, argue, but in the framework of decency, at least .... And then so long and disappointed in the strong half of humanity. IMHO.

          Bravo! hi Unfortunately, this is a problem not only on this site - people appear on almost all information resources who quite skillfully replace logic in dialogs with emotions, and try to accustom us to such (counterproductive) communication. But, we are not small and understand everything perfectly. disappoint us! stop smile
    3. Egor
      Egor 27 March 2013 01: 34
      +2
      z-exit I really liked your comment! It is rightly said about the "elite stratum"! Apparently you have analyzed the situation in Ukraine quite well.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 26 March 2013 16: 45
    12
    Sevastopol is a Russian city. Restoration of historical justice is not far off!
    1. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 26 March 2013 16: 56
      +7
      Everything is exaggerated, inverted and smeared with black paint in the article. Look "from the other side". And the meaning goes in red line WE SHOULD BE TOGETHER !!! Let such scribblers choke on poison then!
      1. bord731
        bord731 26 March 2013 19: 04
        +1
        Look "from the other side". - That is, Malevich's square with a "small white dot in the middle" ...
  • MY THOUGHT
    MY THOUGHT 26 March 2013 16: 52
    +9
    Yes, no, the article denoted how in Ukraine, the guys who were jerking the Ukrainian Navy belong to Russia, and what kind of hysteria they raise against the modernization of our fleet, against the background of their disappearance. We’d better look after the Romanians, otherwise the mother-in-law wouldn’t have time to grab half the country, and no one to complain wakes Romania In NATO. hi
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 26 March 2013 17: 57
      +4
      Quote: MY THOUGHT
      It would be better to look after the Romanians,

      ! +! Tenyuk has completely different "information"
      Russia will try to do this, because it needs to increase its presence in Sevastopol with the subsequent strategic idea - to make it like Kaliningrad, which is no longer a secret.
      , probably the Romanians told him about the insidious plans of Russia. Otherwise, where could he find such "accurate" data? fool
  • Atlon
    Atlon 26 March 2013 17: 28
    12
    Quote: zgenia44
    What did Russophobes get here too?

    They have nowhere to go ... And Crimea will have to return ... sooner or later, and not just Sevastopol alone. However, you can start with Sevastopol, and there it will reach the entire Crimean peninsula! smile
  • yak69
    yak69 26 March 2013 17: 32
    +7
    "" "And the" hostages "of the result of this" chess game "are all of us - the citizens of Ukraine." ""

    The author of the article is clearly mistaken! We must say, NOT WE CITIZENS OF UKRAINE, but WE ARE A NATIONALIST DRAWBACK, because most Ukrainian citizens understand that only a fraternal union of Slavic peoples is a bulwark of peace and stability throughout the WORLD. But all kinds of traitors and sub-fence disadvantages namitsya! They would like to lick the European dupes, they like it, be despised by the scum in Europe.
    However, they are being served for the sake of police rations and non-commissioner bastards.
    Russia should simply and consistently collect (return) its land.
    And let dogs bresh themselves .....
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 26 March 2013 18: 33
    +4
    The enemy must be known in person. So let them publish it to our advantage.
    1. 755962
      755962 26 March 2013 19: 28
      +2
      They would have muddied the referendum ...... And then many would have smiled at the full width of the shoulders ... And this would not be separatism. All for an adult ...
  • dark_65
    dark_65 26 March 2013 19: 00
    +4
    Here is such a miracle the bird flew here, Irina GOLOBORODKO,
    A member of the International Human Rights Association at the OSCE, a human rights journalist, a member of the NSJU, a member of the European Association of Journalists, I think comments are unnecessary, this is just a clinic, "you're completely white, you panic ...)
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 26 March 2013 19: 25
      +1
      Quote: dark_65
      Here is such a miracle the bird flew here, Irina GOLOBORODKO,
      Member of the International Human Rights Association at the OSCE, human rights journalist, member of the NSJ, member of the European Association of Journalists, ..
      Etc.
      In a word - OSCE, the characterization could have been completed ...
      But here’s what worries me: on the one hand it’s her - Irina, and on the other hand it’s him:
      - member of the NSJU,
      - member of the European ...
      What does it mean???
      wassat
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 26 March 2013 19: 53
        +2
        Alekseeva is also a member of the Helsinki group.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 26 March 2013 22: 52
    +1
    Yes, they went to ... Sevastopol was, is and wakes up the city of Russian sailors, and it does not matter which country this city belongs to, Russia or Ukraine. The most important thing is informal status, what matters is what the residents of the city themselves and everyone else think, and with that, everything is clear. Even Russophobes touching on this topic, intuitively understand what and what, in general, the attitude of the Sevastopol residents themselves, otherwise their heads would not bother.
    There are some contradictions in the article, we will increase the fleet, declare Sevastopol our own, and the fleet cannot be built up, therefore Sevastopol must be appropriated, and in order to be appropriated, we must build our fleet there. Then it would be right at once to customize Peter and Kuznetsov, to touch the Turks for one along the way.
    And so I tell you gentlemen Russophobia, scrap metal to you at the navel, I have a Ukrainian bride, so as if you didn’t try, you won’t be able to pit two fraternal peoples, the people themselves will not give you))
  • skeptic
    skeptic 27 March 2013 17: 29
    +1
    Quote: zgenia44
    What is Russophobic material doing here? What did Russophobes get here too?


    And what to do, if nobody wants to read such heresy in Nenka Ukraine, and the opportunity to grab, for processing comments from the Russian site, about the predatory thoughts of "bloodthirsty to her".
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 28 March 2013 17: 30
    0
    hi A horse must be walked) A horse)))) A century of will not to be seen .......... ???
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 28 March 2013 17: 30
    0
    hi A horse must be walked) A horse)))) A century of will not to be seen .......... ???
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 28 March 2013 17: 31
    -1
    hi A horse must be walked) A horse)))) A century of will not to be seen .......... ???
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 28 March 2013 17: 31
    0
    hi A horse must be walked) A horse)))) A century of will not to be seen .......... ???
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 28 March 2013 17: 32
    0
    hi A horse must be walked) A horse)))) A century of will not to be seen .......... ???
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 28 March 2013 23: 42
    -2
    here you have one of them - morpex (1) March 26, 2013 12:45 ↑ 0
    Quote: O_RUS
    I am Ukrainian ... I have been living in Russia for more than a year, but I agree with you in many ways.
    Well then, everything falls into place. In principle, I suspected that you were a renegade.
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 28 March 2013 23: 58
    +1
    quote = zgenia44] What is Russophobic material doing here? What did Russophobes get here? [/ Quote]

    Here is one of them

    [quote = O_RUS] O_RUS Today, 23:32 pm 0 
    Quote: morpex
    In principle, I suspected that you were a renegade.

    Calling me a renegade, you perceive Russia as an enemy, for a renegade is a person who has changed his beliefs and has transferred to the camp of opponents; traitor, apostate.

    ... it’s good that you (morpex) are just a forum fighter ... people with this view of studying in Russia are BRAKES for the development of Ukraine [/ quote]
  • evgenm55
    evgenm55 29 March 2013 13: 30
    0
    Yes, let them write - you need to know the enemies and their thoughts. They already consider themselves the whole Ukrainian people and speak for it, the bedding of the Americans.
  • SolDaT RF
    SolDaT RF 26 March 2013 16: 16
    32
    Crimea is Russia!
    1. tverskoi77
      tverskoi77 26 March 2013 16: 29
      +2
      Do not be like the USA. They also consider all the oil on the planet to be their own and only unexpectedly for themselves discover different states over its deposits. That Iraq, then Libya, etc.
      You just need to be People with a Capital Letter and others themselves reach for us. We will also choose who to let in, and who out!
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 26 March 2013 18: 18
        +2
        KhRush, by the "kindness" of his soul, tore her territory away from Russia, is that normal?
        1. ABV
          ABV 26 March 2013 20: 37
          0
          why, by the kindness of the soul? he’s specially conceived, a kind of nestling! ,,,
          1. Denis
            Denis 27 March 2013 19: 14
            +1
            Quote: ABV
            he specifically conceived
            Hardly, probably not from a big mind, but still a bastard
        2. tverskoi77
          tverskoi77 29 March 2013 12: 39
          0
          Quote: ia-ai00
          KhRush, by the "kindness" of his soul, tore her territory away from Russia, is that normal?

          It is precisely because of such actions: "let's tear off a piece" or "grab something" then blood flows like a river. Do not forget people live and are born in Crimea.
          I answer your question: of course it’s not normal, as the actions of both Gorbachev and Yeltsin!
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 March 2013 16: 42
      18
      Quote: SolDaT RF
      Crimea is Russia!


      Historically, yes, but the Ukrainians are not to blame for that debil Khrushchev gave them to him, so you need to act carefully as a sapper ...... and the mine will work
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 26 March 2013 17: 18
        25
        I beg your pardon, but Nikita is not guilty here. he, although he acted in circumvention of the law, but at least acted within the framework of a single country and in the interests of the economy and the reduction of intermediate authorities for solving various issues of the Peninsula. because, in the end, most of them were decided at the level of Kiev and the Ukrainian SSR. and Soviet Kiev and the Ukrainian SSR are not the current ones. yes, like the Russian Federation, in general. among other things, even in a nightmare, Nikita could not dream of the collapse of the USSR, the total robbery of state property and the legalization of common funds with the arrival of thieves of various caliber in power.

        Thank you for everything exclusively to Bore Yolkin and his team of young reformers - the authors of Bolshoi Hapok. Kravchuk once admitted on TV that for Russia's recognition of Ukrainian independence, his team was ready to give up not only Crimea - the entire Left Bank. it immediately. and even prepared to give other land, if only they would recognize it. and when the tsar of Boriska gave not only the Kemsk parish, but also made the Nezalezhniks pleasant in the form of "take everything - it will not be lost from us" - they almost collapsed from amazement. that there is Crimea - from 20 million Russian people in other republics refused. Russian leader Sobchak has already been forgotten, with his expert conclusion "there are no Russians in the national republics - there are only communists there."
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 26 March 2013 18: 21
          +6
          Sorry, I accidentally "minus" you.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 March 2013 18: 24
            +5
            I will fix it. Next time, please be careful.
            Plus for the fact that you were mistaken, but did not say anything. I respect the honest.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 39
              +4
              Quote: Spade
              Plus for the fact that you were mistaken, but did not say anything. I respect the honest.

              Join smile!
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 March 2013 18: 58
                +3
                Right. Honesty must be rewarded.
            2. ABV
              ABV 26 March 2013 20: 42
              +2
              I already shed a tear !!! pluses to everyone!
              not a joke, just appreciate the humor and mutual respect!
    3. tank74
      tank74 26 March 2013 18: 39
      +3
      Like in a movie. they will answer us for Sevastopol laughing
  • honest jew
    honest jew 26 March 2013 16: 16
    27
    it’s time for Yanukovych to decide who he is, or else he’s rushing around like a girl of easy virtue, now to the Chinese, then to Europe, and in total ...
    1. 123dv
      123dv 26 March 2013 18: 22
      +4
      Yes, if he were a girl of easy virtue, he wouldn’t rush, sorry!
      I would definitely know who to lie under ...
      And he rushes about like a girl of forty-eight years of age ...
    2. Egor
      Egor 27 March 2013 01: 42
      0
      Yes, he doesn’t want to be with anyone, but wants to be himself — to command from Mezhgorye for life. But there will be what you last mentioned!
  • Santa bear
    Santa bear 26 March 2013 16: 17
    17
    AHA ... bloody Pu sleeps and sees, how to rob Ukraine and your lard from Ukraine. He doesn’t sleep on long, dark nights in his tower of the Kremlin Mordor and looks at the map on the map.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 26 March 2013 16: 50
      0
      What kind of Crimea is there, there was once GDP, then I’m putting the Olympics, the football championship, I have to put penguins on the wing to go to Antarctica!
      And you remembered about some Crimea, with the Russian population!
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 26 March 2013 17: 14
        +5
        Quote: S_mirnov
        What kind of Crimea is there, there was once GDP, then I’m putting the Olympics, the football championship, I have to put penguins on the wing to go to Antarctica!
        And you remembered about some Crimea, with the Russian population!

        We must also fly with penguins on a hang glider at Vostok station and back
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 02
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        go to Antarctica penguins should be put on the wing!
        belay
        Antarctica is where request ? Geographers discovered a new continent winked ? BUT.. fellow ..... I understand .... it's probably between Antarctica and the Arctic .. laughing laughing ,
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 26 March 2013 18: 09
          12
          Quote: Tersky
          Antarctica is where

          For reference, in the 70s in the USSR, the term Antarctica was actively used in the press and on TV. I don’t know now hi
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 26 March 2013 19: 56
            +4
            Quote: Ruslan67
            For reference, in the 70 years in the USSR, the term Antarctica was actively used in the press and on TV

            Ruslan, Antarctica is the southern polar region of the globe, including Antarctica and adjacent sections of the Atlantic, Indian and Pacific oceans (sometimes these parts of the oceans are separated into a separate Southern Ocean). Well, somewhere S_mirnov is right, I wrote about the continent, Antarctica is a loose concept wink
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 26 March 2013 19: 58
              +4
              Quote: Tersky
              Antarctica concept extensible

              Agree hi
              1. DeerIvanovich
                DeerIvanovich 27 March 2013 09: 44
                +2
                extensible, not extensible, but rather accurate scientific definition of the Earth’s area.
                in the context used by s_mironov, the use of this term is appropriate, but Tersky’s causticity is clearly not in the subject. Tersky can’t even admit that he unsuccessfully joked and vainly slandered a man, but begins to come up with some strange excuses more inherent in children.
            2. DeerIvanovich
              DeerIvanovich 27 March 2013 09: 37
              0
              as if penguins are found only in Antarctica ... but what about the number of islands where our gallant penguins are also based, declare them secret or even outlawed laughing
          2. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich 26 March 2013 20: 00
            +1
            Yes, and now they use it, it’s just that apparently someone didn’t like geography laughing
        2. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 26 March 2013 20: 00
          +1
          heh, it’s funny, but it’s sad from such remarks negative
          nevertheless, the region of the Earth’s south pole is called Antarctica, and the region of the Earth’s north pole is the Arctic.
          Tersky, you’ve got quite sclerosis; it would be nice to read the school curriculum.
          S_mironov did not invent this term, it really exists in geography
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 26 March 2013 21: 58
            +2
            Damn, the comment is correct, thanks. But I don’t know exactly where this time GDP is going to go looking for amphora. Probably all the same to the Arctic. But in the Arctic there are no penguins! So first to the Arctic, and then to the Antarctic! Really, he has a dofig of time. laughing
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 26 March 2013 22: 42
            +5
            Quote: DeerIvanovich
            school program would not hurt to read.

            I finished reading it in 1976 in XNUMX, I repeat for CONTINENT Antarctica and the geographical term Antarctica, what is the meaning of my post above, now it is clear? If not, then put penguins on the wing in the South Ocean.
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 26 March 2013 21: 35
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        What Crimea is there,

        Comrade, well, EVERYONE already knows your attitude to Putin. Maybe enough already in almost every post about the same thing? Or do you have nothing more? Please, calm down, huh? TIRED !!!!!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 26 March 2013 22: 02
          +3
          Sorry, but I believe that the more often enemies are called "enemies", thieves - "thieves", and scoundrels - "scoundrels" the better the world will be! In general, I am in favor of calling a spade a spade.
    2. Egor
      Egor 27 March 2013 01: 47
      -1
      No miracles Holy Bear! This is PR, not the opinion of the people of Ukraine.
  • opkozak
    opkozak 26 March 2013 16: 17
    +2
    Yes, you must arm yourself. Especially after the DPRK declared martial law
    Since March 26, the country has declared full combat readiness. The report also said that rocketers were ordered to be ready to strike at the United States, namely at targets in Hawaii and Guam.
    "The Korean People’s Army declares that all artillery troops, including strategic missile and long-range artillery units, should be put on alert," the North Korean media said.
    And the base in Sevastopol is needed for the strategic defense of the Russian Federation from the south.


    Read more: http://www.bagnet.org/news/world/211565
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 31
      11
      Quote: opkozak
      Especially after the DPRK declared martial law

      Oh my how scary belay Kim will soon begin to fear himself from his empty threats.
      A man said, a man did, did not, then yap. In his case, did not, said again laughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 08
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A man said a man did

        Kim "does" if you don't wake up on time at night ... wink
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 26 March 2013 16: 18
    +5
    Everything revolves around and about one ... it's time to spin everything "yak bulo"! drinks
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 26 March 2013 17: 38
      +4
      Quote: pa_nik
      Everything revolves around and about one ... it's time to spin everything "yak bulo"!

      May be! But Ukrainians themselves must do this.
      Given that the territory is insignificant, but still part of Ukraine, is sick with nationalism, which flows in the above western territory in a violent form, it will be extremely difficult to do ... and painful ...
      hi
  • es.d
    es.d 26 March 2013 16: 20
    +4
    Some nonsense. Translation from English?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 24
      +7
      Quote: es.d

      Some nonsense. Translation from English?

      Yes, no, not a translation, a simple Ukrainian Natsik worried about the independence.
      1. es.d
        es.d 26 March 2013 16: 31
        13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Yes, no, not a translation, a simple Ukrainian Natsik worried about the independence.


        The author is A Lady ... She explains a lot ... Such people have enough ... The bloody Putin regime .. Stranglers of FREEDOM ...
        I’ll go have a drink with the bear and restart the reactor.
        1. astra
          astra 26 March 2013 16: 48
          +3
          And the lady who wrote this article does not know at all that she is posted on this site. Posted by our forum member from the Ukrainian site.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 43
          +3
          Quote: es.d
          I’ll go have a drink with the bear and restart the reactor.

          good ! +! But what about the balalaika? Out of order ... laughing
    2. Gemar
      Gemar 26 March 2013 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: es.d
      Some nonsense. Translation from English?

      The person for whom the Russian language is not native ...
      VIOLATION of the agreements between Ukraine and Russia on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol were repeatedly VIOLATED earlier. And Russia can go and more than one VIOLATION — if it got away with it earlier, it will get away now. The reaction of the country's leadership in all these cases of VIOLATIONS was a sluggish, unconstructive situation and reducing everything “on the brakes”.

      Cheap in general!
  • kristofer
    kristofer 26 March 2013 16: 21
    +5
    “These plans cannot but concern us, because, unlike the political leadership, we, as the military, are well aware of the consequences of such plans. We took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine, and we will fulfill it with honor in case of any threat to the sovereignty of the country. ”

    They have already sworn an oath to the Union, and did this stop them?
  • Gemar
    Gemar 26 March 2013 16: 22
    13
    according to the agreements existing between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, the latter does not have the right to upgrade weapons, increase the number of equipment located on the territory of Ukraine, that is, in Crimea

    Is this some kind of bug ??? How to understand that the fleet will be present until the age of 49, and it is impossible to renew it? It's the same as a wedding, provided that the wife must remain a virgin until her death ... Maybe the staff will be banned from updating ???
    Complete idiocy! fool
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 March 2013 16: 23
    +7
    Dear author of the article, you have to eat. Although a lot of fat for the night is also harmful to eat.
    1. botur
      botur 26 March 2013 16: 28
      +5
      There she is, delirium tremens.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 47
      +7
      Quote: Stiletto
      Although a lot of fat for the night is also harmful to eat.

      laughing Yes, fat is not necessary, the reason is
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 26 March 2013 20: 20
        +6
        Quote: Tersky
        Yes, fat is not necessary, the reason is

        Somewhere I already thumped with them ... what They borrowed more money for me ... I don’t remember ... request But there’s one that is striped, concrete balabol! I do not believe any of his words! No. Campaign, he wrote this article!
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 26 March 2013 22: 49
          +4
          Quote: Gamar
          Campaign, he wrote this article!

          Not.. No. rather the one to the left of the bear belay , and articles of the same color .... and he has a bag yes probably carries mushrooms in it ..
    3. vitamin ky
      vitamin ky 27 March 2013 06: 13
      +3
      and it’s useless all of this — it’s a little cheerfully — but it’s some kind of epidemic — women forgive me (essno are on this resource) —but we have trouble with the women in Ukraine — well, it’s tearing them up in human rights defenders or someone else the main thing that would be called the title (and the birth rate falls, it really and tangibly degenerates fool :) and there would be use and benefit, I wouldn’t say a word against :(: and so begins to enrage the desire to lead the country, and at home they can cook borsch only according to the book
  • Santa bear
    Santa bear 26 March 2013 16: 23
    +5
    the author apparently does not want to admit that in fact the very policy of the government of the Independent Republic "carries a direct threat to the national security and sovereignty of Ukraine." and instead of raising a howl about what they say Russia threatens the independence and sovereignty of Ukraine, they would think where your vaunted friendship with the EU will lead you. quietly so imperceptibly ... voluntarily
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 March 2013 16: 24
    +7
    I think that only the Ukrainian authorities and especially the frostbitten Ukrainian military will resist the transfer of Sevastopol and Crimea to Russia. I would not want to wave the fists of two fraternal peoples.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 26 March 2013 17: 32
      11
      Quote: Wedmak
      I think that only the Ukrainian authorities and especially the frostbitten Ukrainian military will resist the transfer of Sevastopol and Crimea to Russia


      knowing not the imaginary, but the true mood of the population of the same Crimea, I would not be so optimistic. it is possible to escape to Soviet Russia without looking back. and in the current situation, the transfer of Crimea from Ukraine to Russia was nothing more than a sewn change. because this program basically only promises shocks. change of Ukrainian gang clans to Russian gang clans. people of these figures are not interested. unless as a servant. there will definitely be a new redistribution of tasty pieces of property and land, and the ukrobandites acquired by overwork in the criminal showdowns of the 90s, they will not give away the newly-arrived Vikings for a healthy life. and bearing in mind the crooked national policy, flirting and feeding of the most frostbitten passionaries from the Crimean Tatar groups will definitely begin. so thanks - ftopku such a union. a leg can be chopped off in one fell swoop, but taking it back to root is a serious problem. look at the problem with a sober look, without any romance: the time to collect stones has not yet come. Russia has not even begun this process. so far, all these speeches about unification are conversations in favor of the poor and another topic for srach.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 53
        -3
        Zynaps
        Catch the "+"
        you said correctly
      2. optimist
        optimist 26 March 2013 18: 04
        0
        "Golden words, Pyotr Venediktovich!" Someone is very impatient to play off the fraternal peoples. Okay, there are some Uzbeks ... But the Ukrainians and Belarusians are primordially our people and God forbid ever come together in a fight. In the current situation, trying to "bite off" Crimea is complete idiocy and suicide. Maybe it makes sense to bribe the kho.kh.lyatsky "lords" and resolve the issue of strengthening our fleet in Sevastopol?
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 26 March 2013 18: 29
        0
        Quote: Zynaps
        change of Ukrainian gang clans to Russian gang clans.

        Are you for the red word or have the facts?
        Argument _ Everybody knows that , not quite what I want to hear.
        smile
        1. KuigoroZHIK
          KuigoroZHIK 27 March 2013 03: 09
          +2
          Quote: Cynic
          Quote: Zynaps
          change of Ukrainian gang clans to Russian gang clans.

          Are you for the red word or have the facts?
          Argument _ Everybody knows that , not quite what I want to hear.
          smile


          And what is there to know? Private sanatoriums of Crimea (and state ones too) belong to several owners, whom the "new government" in the person of Alexander Yanukovych and Co. squeezes from the old owners. It did not come to hot skirmishes, but the fact that the owners are changing everywhere is, alas, reality. And with the arrival of new owners, the working conditions worsen by an order of magnitude. I say with good reason: the godmother and father-in-law worked in sanatoriums (Burdenko and Pirogova - in the city of Saki, in the Crimea). With the change of owners, normal people were squeezed out of there. In their place were recruited new "workers": as a guard, in particular, were a couple of alcoholics and a drug addict. At the same time, in the Pirogov sanatorium, the director took the presidential number (he himself is from another city), which brought the company about 8 thousand hryvnia per day (30 sput) throughout almost the entire year.

          If you think that this is an isolated situation or it happens only with sanatoriums - you are mistaken. In Sevastopol, in particular, a fire occurred 2 times in the same supermarket. Moreover, the interval between them was only a month and a half - that is, they recovered, opened - and again a fire. But the owner changed - everything settled down.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 29 March 2013 17: 15
            0
            Quote: Kuygorozhik
            the "new government" represented by Alexander Yanukovych and Co. is squeezing out the old owners.

            Well, as if these gentlemen to the roofing Russian gang clans or to them themselves (clans) do not relate. laughing
            They try to drink at once, figuratively speaking, from three rivers.
            Quote: Kuygorozhik
            the owner has changed - everything has settled down.

            Until the leader of the state is precisely its leader, this will be repeated and repeated. The lull for a while, before the change of power in the capital city of Kiev.
            yes
            I apologize for the delay, yesterday the site was unavailable to me
            drinks
      4. Фокус
        Фокус 26 March 2013 18: 59
        +2
        You are right, you need to accumulate "strength" and "authority", showing the advantages of integration within the CU and the disadvantages of euro integration. And when we achieve success in the economy and social sphere, then the process of uniting our peoples will be painless.
        1. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 26 March 2013 22: 04
          +2
          Quote: Focus
          when will we succeed

          It seems to me that this is not entirely true. Look, what is happening, Ukraine is going to create a free trade zone with Europe and accordingly switch to European standards, right? The secondary question is HOW will this succeed. But then, for sure, unification will become almost impossible due to the difference in standards. Remember the unification of Germany, how many years have passed, but until now the West Germans have not "digested" everything. And it will no longer matter who has what successes and in what. In my opinion, we need to unite in order to accelerate successes, interacting with each other ...
    2. sergius60
      sergius60 26 March 2013 20: 47
      0
      No fraternal PEOPLES !!! angry There is a resurgent Great Russian Empire and a neighboring in the West "vinaigrette" of "full-blown samostiiniks", a fucking crowd of do not care - we do not care who to go under, "whites blow up - rob, red blows - rob". And those living in the southeast, who feel themselves under the occupation of "Bandera". The real percentage DO NOT KNOW. Officially, anyway, no one will truly tell! what
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 26 March 2013 16: 25
    +9
    The article is a fat minus. If the author thought that he would find understanding and sympathy here, he was clearly mistaken for the address request If there are such plans, it would be quicker - maybe after that clearing will come in the brains of the Ukrainian leadership fool
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 33
      +8
      Quote: Ruslan67

      The article is a fat minus. If the author thought that he would find understanding and sympathy here, he was clearly mistaken for the address

      Hi Ruslan! Yes, there’s no author you can’t lure here, the author busts the bandera at home with dust. The article itself draws attention to the problems of the Black Sea Fleet.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 26 March 2013 16: 56
        +5
        Hi Sasha! In the process, Ukraine looms: problems will have to be solved with new ships, and every day we have more and more opportunities to put pressure on it. Moreover, it’s time for Yanukovych to think about the elections. And the article is just about the fact that Russophobes have moved because wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 17: 08
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Moreover, it’s time for Yanukovych to think about the elections

          I don’t know what place in my life Yanukovych thinks, but I can definitely say that I’m not with my head!
          Quote: Ruslan67
          And the article is just about the fact that Russophobia has moved because it is running out

          Yes, there’s not even an election, but a TS laughing
          Tired of this Ukrainian policy already, divided into two parts, East to us in the CU, and let the West roll into the EU. There is no sense from them, one malice, they have no factories, one idle talk. They will be in shorts but happy laughing
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 18
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There is no sense from them, one malice, they have no plants, one idle talk

            Alexander, have you ever been to Western Ukraine?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 17: 21
              0
              Quote: Skavron
              Have you ever been to Western Ukraine?

              No, never, never.
              1. Skavron
                Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 29
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, never, never.

                Then how can you judge the inhabitants of this region so rude and unambiguous? Where are such conclusions from?
                I have the opposite opinion. They are very friendly, responsive, they treat the Russian language and Russian normally. I know. I visit all the time. Many friends. By the way, I myself live in Donbass, i.e. for them "almost Russian" ...
                How would you personally react if I started pouring mud on the Far East, saying that only alcoholics and slobs live there?
                Agree, this would be incorrect and doubly correct, because I have never been to the Far East.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 26 March 2013 17: 36
                  +7
                  Quote: Skavron
                  Then how can you judge the inhabitants of this region so rude and unambiguous? Where are such conclusions from?

                  I served with them. In personal communication, only Lithuanians were worse at that time, but they had a one-sided obstinacy in nationalism. negative fool belay
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 04
                    0
                    But I can’t say about all the inhabitants of this
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 26 March 2013 18: 13
                      +3
                      Quote: Skavron
                      I can not say about all the inhabitants of this

                      We had representatives of 4 western regions-Transcarpathian Ternopil Ivano-Frankivsk and Khmelnitsky All are the same fool belay angry
                      1. Skavron
                        Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 37
                        0
                        Well, you probably know better
                        where are we already ... one sheer Natsik live in Ukraine ... well scary
                        * urgently went to learn the Galician dialect
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 26 March 2013 18: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Skavron
                        you probably know better

                        Quote: Skavron
                        one solid Natsik in Ukraine live ... well scary

                        Look carefully at the emoticons — which one looks like Natsik? fool
                      3. Skavron
                        Skavron 26 March 2013 21: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Look carefully at the emoticons — which one looks like Natsik?

                        But not words? Only emoticons?
                        I do not understand this alphabet
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 27 March 2013 00: 24
                        +4
                        Quote: Skavron
                        But not words? Only emoticons?

                        Moderators will not miss repeat
            2. Mefodiy
              Mefodiy 27 March 2013 16: 17
              0
              It is already becoming ridiculous and sad .. And for me, when I served for the first year and had a lump. Dep. Young people came, including from the Non-Black Earth Region and Latvia / Lithuania. With whom am I and first of all the officers tormented ?? With purely Russian. Minimal language (where are you, oh great and mighty ......) - every second word ..... There are no half teeth. Education - p. 1. 0. Acetone was stolen in caponier, and we went into the woods to arrange our suit with a buzz. Let the Baltic states and reluctantly execute the sergeant’s commands, and those like donkeys. Alas. had to resort to repression. 80% had problems before the army with the cops (and what a pride). Still proud of those who had a sexually transmitted ..
              BUT .. it doesn’t occur to me by such d..m to judge all Russians.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 17: 46
            +8
            Quote: Skavron
            Then how can you judge the inhabitants of this region so rude and unambiguous? Where are such conclusions from?

            But it’s very simple, I don’t see articles from the West about love for Russia, but I constantly come across articles about hatred of Russia! If you are all so good there that you are silent or it’s more interesting to sit in front of a computer on the Internet?
            Quote: Skavron
            How would you personally react if I started pouring mud on DV

            With Far East there are no articles about hatred of Ukraine! In the Far East, Ukrainians are not to blame for everything! feel the difference?
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 03
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              With Far East there are no articles about hatred of Ukraine! In the Far East, Ukrainians are not to blame for everything! feel the difference?

              For example, anti-Ukrainian rhetoric constantly emanates from you. Or are you not with the Far East?
              I can bring hundreds of such commentators in all forums

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But it’s very simple, I don’t see articles from the West about love for Russia, but I constantly come across articles about hatred of Russia! If you are all so good there that you are silent or it’s more interesting to sit in front of a computer on the Internet?


              Here, half of the commentators from Ukraine are quite loyal to Russia and the Russians. You yourself read.
              Or do you want the residents of memory to rush to write articles about love for Russia? Or do you think that all anti-Russian articles are written exclusively by residents of the memory?
              I thought you were smarter. And you judge the inhabitants of a CERTAIN REGION solely on rotten articles written incomprehensibly by someone and it is not clear where.
              Although here is an example of a highly respected pro-Russian publication
              http://2000.net.ua/ Изучите. Потом еще поговорим
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 26 March 2013 18: 18
                +8
                Quote: Skavron
                And you judge the inhabitants of a CERTAIN REGION

                No, for completely different reasons.
                On November 20 in Sambir, Lviv Region, the opening of the next monument to the head of the fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists Stepan Bandera took place. This was reported by cun.org.ua.
                The statue is installed on the square of Memory, which borders the street also bearing his name.
                In occasion festivities
                the opening of the monument was attended by the Chairman of the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists Stepan Bratsyun.
                The monument was erected on the initiative of the Sambir city and Sambir district organizations of KUHN with the support of the Sambir mayor. According to zahid.net, at the opening of the monument, it was "consecrated." According to ecity.cn.ua in Ukraine, Stepan Bandera has already installed 17 monuments in various regions of the country. Monuments to the leader of Ukrainian fascists are now in the Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions. Projects exist in Rivne, Lutsk and Cherkasy. The question of establishing a memorial sign or building a monument was raised in Kiev and Chernivtsi.
                And along such "processions"
                Now name at least one erected monument to the fascist in Russia ...
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 51
                  -3
                  I don’t know about the monuments, but this is what reminds you of:
                2. Tersky
                  Tersky 26 March 2013 19: 06
                  +9
                  Quote: Skavron
                  I don’t know about the monuments, but this is what reminds you of:

                  Compared to your Western Ukrainian rabble, this is a kindergarten. And not this shit was raised to the rank of state policy in Russia, as it was done in the "independent" policy, you obviously lost the coast ...
                3. Skavron
                  Skavron 26 March 2013 20: 38
                  -3
                  Quote: Tersky
                  Compared to your western Ukrainian rabble, this is a kindergarten.


                  10 000 only in Moscow
                  I think freedom will be the same, but throughout Ukraine
                4. morpex
                  morpex 26 March 2013 21: 29
                  -1
                  Quote: Tersky
                  Compared with your western Ukrainian rabble this is a kindergarten

                  Sorry to interfere in the argument of two husbands. Victor! How is that?
                  You also have enough rabble. And in Western Ukraine they have hung a BIG LABEL "NATIONALISM". terrible consequences that have begun to manifest themselves now. It was because of such a policy that the path was cleared for the nationalists in the Rada.
                  Come in winter to Bukovel, come to relax in Truskavets (by the way, Sanya Rozembaum always improves health there in the fall. I personally talked to him on this topic for a bottle. He laughed heartily) and you will see that the people there respect Russians and Russia, and there are no Natsiks there smells
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 18: 27
            +5
            Quote: Skavron

            For example, anti-Ukrainian rhetoric constantly emanates from you.

            This is anti-Ukrainian from me belay Maybe I suggest you applaud Bandera, Una Unso and other excuses? where does Ukraine.
            Quote: Skavron
            Here, half of the commentators from Ukraine are quite loyal to Russia and the Russians. You yourself read.

            Of course I read, but there are others, many of whom are banned.
            Quote: Skavron
            Or do you think that all anti-Russian articles are written exclusively by residents of the memory?

            Excuse me generously, and whose admiral gives an interview?
            Quote: Skavron
            I thought you were smarter. And you judge the inhabitants of a CERTAIN REGION solely on rotten articles written incomprehensibly by someone and it is not clear where.

            Well, why don’t you write articles in Lviv, do not protest in the streets against Bandera and all that? Why do you immediately begin to blame me -Russian, when the problems of your fascists. I will fight with them.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 43
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This is anti-Ukrainian from me

              Then be not so selective in inputs
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Of course I read, but there are others, many of whom are banned.

              Are you threatening me with a ban?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Excuse me generously, and whose admiral gives an interview?

              Everything has been said about the "admiral". Well, let's judge everyone by one nasty guy as you can.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, why don’t you write articles in Lviv,

              And what does it have to do with it?
              I made it seem to you that you judge all residents stupidly by SOME media and by a very small percentage of throaty loafers.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 18: 56
              +2
              Quote: Skavron
              Ohgda, be not so selective in the inputs

              sorry, I will not give honor to Galicia. I will not call fascists otherwise than fascists !!!
              Quote: Skavron

              Are you threatening me with a ban?

              if I threatened you, I would say so! I'm talking about those representatives of Ukraine who are in the bathhouse because of their great "love" for Russia, who here constantly showed who they are.
              Quote: Skavron
              Well, let's judge one little nonsense of all as you can.

              one by one?????????? Yes, you have Natsik sitting in Parliament, what are you talking about? How much did they get there in the election of 10 percent, it seems, of the total number of voters
              .
              Quote: Skavron
              I made it seem to you that you judge all residents stupidly by SOME media

              give a link to other Lviv media-read.
              Quote: Skavron
              by a very small percentage of throaty loafers.

              for a very small one, well, well, wanting to jerk in the EU, how many are going to NATO, Who are elected deputies in western Ukraine ?????????
            3. Skavron
              Skavron 26 March 2013 22: 05
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              sorry, but I will not give honor to Galicia

              And they don’t need your honors. It is enough to stop calling all Galicians fascists.
            4. Skavron
              Skavron 27 March 2013 21: 26
              0
              Quote: Skavron
              Yes, you have Natsik sitting in Parliament, what are you talking about? How much did they get there in the election of 10 percent, it seems, of the total number of voters

              I have repeatedly said that they did not vote FOR them, but against the PR
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              give a link to other Lviv media-read.

              I gave a link to a very respected Ukrainian publication
              here is another http://russlvov.org.ua/

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              for a very small one, well, well, wanting to jerk in the EU, how many are going to NATO, Who are elected deputies in western Ukraine ?????????

              Yes, how much? What is the weight? No more than 50% of the population, in NATO? Ukraine is a non-aligned country, NATO membership is not even considered, the population is natherean, Whom depuiaiami? Well, the one who is against Yanukovych.
              I was looking at your bulk ... I’m thinking, can you really strangle this whole bastard? What she screams all over the world, gathers crowds in squares ... strange
    2. SerAll
      SerAll 26 March 2013 21: 55
      +2
      Nedobitkov is calling everywhere, I myself have many acquaintances all over Ukraine, just normal people are sitting and silent in a rag! and the "patriots" wave their fists! and not free ... The incident on "Victory Day" in Lviv when veterans were attacked at the graves infuriated me !!! ... but ordinary Lviv residents apologized for a long time and repented ... they themselves did not understand how it happened!
      But he asked the Natsiks that they do not like Russians so much? answer- "What are you doing on our ancestral land? This is our land ... out of here ..." Well, what are the "hagul" Nazis in Russia doing? - They make money!
      It's hard to divide peoples! live mode!
      Just for reference, see how many people are in power? There are no Russians there ... well, or the 2nd "extreme", about the Moscow government generally keep quiet, infa from the primary source!
      Sorry if I offended anyone ...
    3. rodevaan
      rodevaan 27 March 2013 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: Skavron
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      With Far East there are no articles about hatred of Ukraine! In the Far East, Ukrainians are not to blame for everything! feel the difference?

      For example, anti-Ukrainian rhetoric constantly emanates from you. Or are you not with the Far East?
      I can bring hundreds of such commentators in all forums

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      But it’s very simple, I don’t see articles from the West about love for Russia, but I constantly come across articles about hatred of Russia! If you are all so good there that you are silent or it’s more interesting to sit in front of a computer on the Internet?


      Here, half of the commentators from Ukraine are quite loyal to Russia and the Russians. You yourself read.
      Or do you want the residents of memory to rush to write articles about love for Russia? Or do you think that all anti-Russian articles are written exclusively by residents of the memory?
      I thought you were smarter. And you judge the inhabitants of a CERTAIN REGION solely on rotten articles written incomprehensibly by someone and it is not clear where.
      Although here is an example of a highly respected pro-Russian publication
      http://2000.net.ua/ Изучите. Потом еще поговорим


      - I'm from the Far East, born here and raised! And once again I tell you all - stop watering each other with mud! We are one people, one family, temporarily divided by our external and internal enemies into different states. We have nothing to share, and no one. there are everywhere - both there and there - that only amuse their inferiority complexes and work out overseas loot, shaking the situation and arranging provocations, confusing normal people! You just need not be fooled by these goats, but crush them like lice both here and there.
      Do you not understand that succumbing to these provocations - only we are doing worse for ourselves?
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 26 March 2013 18: 19
    13
    I was in Ivano-Frankivsk. Several times he caught the hostile views of local residents. In a cafe, they talked with us demonstratively in Ukrainian, although the waitress was good for my mom. They refused to serve in another cafe, explaining that there was no change, although it was calmly changing large bills in front of us. Continue?
    I can’t say anything bad about the people of Ukraine - there are enough scumbags and simply uncivilized people everywhere, then I feel in my own skin that targeted anti-Russian propaganda is bearing fruit.
    Yes, a comrade, an ethnic Ukrainian in 2011 was beaten in Lviv, because he spoke Russian and the local gopot did not like it. He speaks Ukrainian badly, because he left early for the RSFSR.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 46
      -3
      Yah?
      I’ll talk specially
      Incidentally, here's a story RUSSIAN about Lviv. I was looking for you so that you would not reproach me with bias: http://macos.livejournal.com/802083.html
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 26 March 2013 19: 00
        +3
        Quote: Skavron
        here is the story of the RUSSIAN about Lviv.

        You'd better go to the forum of Ukrainian Russophobes and nationalists with a reference to the skinte, so we read the opinion about Russia and the Russian "soft and fluffy" svidomites, what is said on this site is babbling in comparison with what is written there and what it thinks ..
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 26 March 2013 22: 09
          +1
          Quote: Tersky

          You'd better go to the forum of Ukrainian Russophobes and nationalists with a reference to the skinte, so we read the opinion about Russia and the Russian "soft and fluffy" svidomites, what is said on this site is babbling in comparison with what is written there and what it thinks ..

          Are you kidding me?
          I gave you the words of a Russian guy about Lviv, and you again send me to the Nats forum in Ukraine?
          forum is the whole of Lviv?
          are all nationalists in Lviv?
    2. de_monSher
      de_monSher 26 March 2013 22: 51
      +1
      Hmm ... gopota ... in Lviv? This is some kind of fantasy. The only time I jumped at me in Lviv was some dude - I had a lion cub hanging from my laptop bag, with a St. George ribbon - a gift from Petersburg friends. He fell off when he told him with a smile that I would tear my hands off and put them in the ass, for such a movement. In general - all Lviv proceeded, on foot, not once or twice, talking exclusively in Russian, in the face - an Uzbek, an Uzbek ... and I did not find any problems on my ass ...

      It sounds fanatical - "gopota Lvovskaya" ... hmm ...
  • VAF
    VAF 26 March 2013 18: 21
    +7
    [quote = Skavron] I have the opposite opinion. Very friendly, responsive, to the Russian language and Russian are normal. [/ Quot

    Forgive me for being rude, but end up CRICKING! ZAPADENTS as they were NATIONALISTS (pro-fascist pr tails), so they remained !!!! soldier

    Do not ask only me .. have I been there or not !!!!
    1. queen
      queen 26 March 2013 18: 36
      0
      Quote: vaf
      I was there or not !!!!

      Hello Sergey ... I was in the Crimea on 08.08.08. So I will say a herd of screaming nonsense (I couldn’t make them out)
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 26 March 2013 20: 44
        +1
        Mova? In Crimea?
        Don't pi ... di
        1. queen
          queen 26 March 2013 21: 08
          +1
          Quote: Skavron
          Mova? In Crimea?
          Don't pi ... di

          Rudeness is not what. Do you think the population of Crimea walked with Georgian and Ukrainian flags?
        2. Skavron
          Skavron 26 March 2013 22: 10
          0
          it's not rude. this is a statement of fact
          there were no mothers in Crimea
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 26 March 2013 18: 44
    +3
    I was in Lviv. I did not observe any special nationalists.

    The only unpleasant impression of Ukraine is from Ukrainian law enforcement agencies. The boy was taken to his last place of residence, Caucasian traffic cops, whom everyone considers to be the standard of bribe takers, gave money, fed, accompanied, as the border passed, it began. Paid, paid, and paid again. It was unpleasant to listen to vodilus-Ossetia. He did not limit himself much in expressions.

    And people, like ours. No problem, the attitude is quite benevolent.
  • Skavron
    Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 47
    -2
    Read here http://macos.livejournal.com/802083.html
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 March 2013 19: 07
      +3
      Why, damn it, read ??? Isn't there a head? Anyone who has served in the army remembers the fathers-commanders, among whom almost every fifth, if in general, or every second in our artillery. Yes, I’ll tear anyone apart, they’ve found, damn it, enemies.

      Evil is not enough
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 March 2013 19: 16
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        Why, damn it, read ??? Isn't there a head? Anyone who has served in the army remembers the fathers-commanders, among whom almost every fifth, if in general, or every second in our artillery. Yes, I’ll tear anyone apart, they’ve found, damn it, enemies.

        Evil is not enough

        I hope everyone understands what "... s" means
  • morpex
    morpex 26 March 2013 21: 51
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    Forgive me for being rude, but stop FREAKING! ZAPADENTS as they were NATIONALISTS (pro-fascist pr tails), so they remained !!!! Do not ask only me .. have I been there or not !!!!

    And here you don’t have to ask. You weren’t there. I’ll tell you that in the villages of Western Ukraine still simple peasants with a shudder recall the bandits - Bandera.
    A penny is worth your conclusions.
  • 123dv
    123dv 26 March 2013 18: 25
    +4
    I dare say that in the Far East there is a very large percentage of ethnic Ukrainians, including from Western Ukraine as well.
    Good reason to drink vodka!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 18: 29
    +5
    Quote: Skavron

    Then how can you judge the inhabitants of this region so rude and unambiguous?

    By the way, Galicia forgot to say about the praise of the SS division, and a lot of other things give me the right to say so!
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 26 March 2013 18: 31
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      yes by the way about the praise of the SS division Galichina

      Do not forget about the SS battalion, but the picture is incomplete am
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 March 2013 18: 47
        +1
        The "Nachtigall" battalion of the Abwehr, had nothing to do with the SS.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 26 March 2013 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          The "Nachtigall" battalion of the Abwehr, had nothing to do with the SS.

          Until the moment when he was reformed, albeit into a castrated but still a division
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 March 2013 19: 09
          +1
          The division was recruited by others. Read about it. Everything is much more complicated than it seems.
        3. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 26 March 2013 19: 56
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Read about it.

          Yes, I read and a lot. The essence of the goal and tasks from the one who scored a damn does not change. hi
  • Skavron
    Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 53
    -6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    yes by the way about the praise of the SS division Galichina

    I wonder who these guys praise?
    I'm afraid that alozycha
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 March 2013 19: 11
      +3
      Not worth it. There is plenty of shit in Russia too. But you yourself understand that these individuals do not personify public opinion in Russia.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 26 March 2013 22: 30
        0
        Well, the fact that the whole memory is lazy and vicious is a claim to the inflamed brains of Mr. Alexander Romanov
  • Barmen
    Barmen 26 March 2013 18: 47
    +3
    But-but !!!! I live in the Far East. And on the western was not one hundred times. And in Rkhov, and in Yves-Frankivsk. And in Lviv. In Ternopol he studied at all. And my grandfather from Terebovli. So. The people there are essentially motley. For the most part, kind and responsive. In the villages especially. But here in the cities, and the center of Lviv, there are off-cool balamutes and trepachs, which sow young brains. But how it was allowed there, that’s the main thing. And on the principle of a hut with an edge. this is 100%.
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 31 March 2013 19: 50
    0
    And I was.
    In 1990, in the glorious city of Kolomyia, Ivano-Frankivsk region. For the first time in my life I encountered such outright fascism. Then it was a curiosity.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 26 March 2013 17: 20
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    divided into two parts, East to us in the CU, and let the West roll into the EU.

    What would happen, it is necessary to start not with them but with the UN - to disperse to such a mother that there would be no one to yell about territorial integrity whose stability is already lacking
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yes, there’s not even an election, but a TS

    So I am about the same - the pressure will increase and they have less and less time to choose
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    what place in his life Yanukovych thinks, but I can definitely say that he’s not with his head!

    Yes, he and the goal already on the presidential grub became similar to the ass so that maybe she wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 17: 34
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan67

      What would happen, it is necessary to start not with them but with the UN - to disperse to such a mother that there would be no one to yell about territorial integrity whose stability is already lacking

      The UN now reminds me more and more of the League of Nations, only it was possible to disperse it after the Second World War. request
      Quote: Ruslan67

      So I am about the same - the pressure will increase and they have less and less time to choose

      Yes, they do not need to build anything up, power is already jumping to the tune of the Natsiks.
      Fisherman: Ukraine reached the home stretch for signing SA
      Ukraine relies on the assistance of the authorities of Poland and Lithuania to sign the Association Agreement with the EU at the Eastern Partnership Summit.


      This was stated by Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Volodymyr Rybak during a meeting of the Parliamentary Assembly of Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine, which is being held in Warsaw today, UNIAN reports.

      Rybak noted that full membership in the EU remains the strategic goal of Ukraine
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 26 March 2013 17: 40
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        full membership in the EU

        Well, they will be a member in the EU: there is no other place for them. But it would not hurt to ask the EU if they need such a member in their ... wassat
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 26 March 2013 16: 27
    +9
    "So, Russia's quiet expansion in Ukraine from humanitarian and economic planes is also quietly growing into the military sphere." what kind of negativity, who are so sorry in the brains for the expression pissed, what expansion request Russophobes and politicians on opposite sides of the border (which should not be) will always add fuel to the fire.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 26 March 2013 18: 48
      +3
      Such articles will appear, because the Ukrainian government and the PR in particular need to justify itself in front of their voters. After all, they entered the Verkhovna Rada with the slogans "Russian is the second state! And for an alliance with Russia." And how they got to the power - "dulki", Panov voters. And the hasty adoption of laws for association with the EU will be an excuse that Russia is going to grab Crimea! From here we dance!
      1. HAM
        HAM 26 March 2013 19: 58
        0
        a hammer, correctly noticed !!
  • dmitry46
    dmitry46 26 March 2013 16: 27
    +5
    utter nonsense! MINUS article
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 March 2013 16: 29
    +3
    People suffering from paranoia are everywhere, if only these people have at least a little more brains and it becomes clear that 20 ships will not capture land, and the naval group is intensifying in the light of the emerging watch on the Mediterranean. Oh yes, the leadership has completely forgotten about the Ukrainian Navy, it’s necessary to squeal so that they give money for boats.
  • WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 26 March 2013 16: 34
    +5
    ".. And such plans pose a direct threat to the national security and sovereignty of Ukraine." Dear author, let it be known to you that updating the Black Sea Fleet is not an increase in the number of ships in Sevastopol! And cleaning up the old and supplying a new and modern fleet, which will always (regardless of whom you swore) WILL worthily defend the national security of ALL OF US!
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 26 March 2013 16: 36
    +6
    The Ukrainian leadership seems to have begun paranoia in the terminal stage.
    We need to introduce Tajikistan - they would be well together.
    Seriously, partly, and by a very distant analogy, the politics of present-day Russia begins to resemble the activities of Tsar Ivan III Vasilyevich, nicknamed the Collector of Russian Land. If you look at the political map, it becomes obvious that the islands remained on the former lands of the metropolis. Oh ho, will we survive?
    1. vitamin ky
      vitamin ky 27 March 2013 06: 31
      +2
      heh well, you said my friend —on (paranoia) began immediately after the collapse of the union and was apparently transferred to the place of work — for nothing good was done for all this time — although every new Ukrainian politician comes and promises golden mountains.
      The words of Senka the rabbit (Yatsynyuk, before the elections to the Verkhovna Rada) - (C) .... Choose us and only us, and tomorrow you will live in paradise.
  • Orik
    Orik 26 March 2013 16: 37
    +9
    We swore allegiance to the people of Ukraine, and we will honor it with any threat to the sovereignty of the country


    You and the USSR took the oath ... the time will come once again. wink Although, do we need it?
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 26 March 2013 16: 46
      +3
      Got ahead. laughing I wanted to say the same thing.
      They are just so honest, but decent. I also want to recall the decency of the leadership of Ukraine in terms of military leadership with Georgia.
      And our country needs a powerful fleet at the World Cup more than ever, especially if we recall the events of the eight-day war.

      ***
      Auntie is probably afraid that the influx of vacationing fellow citizens from Kiev will become smaller and there will be no one to rip off.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 26 March 2013 17: 15
        +5
        Quote: Iraclius

        Got ahead. I wanted to say the same thing.

        I also fellow
        Russia is the successor of the USSR. It means that all obligations of both the USSR and the USSR are transferred to Russia. And the oath to the newly-formed states can be considered traitors.
        1. es.d
          es.d 26 March 2013 18: 54
          +2
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          Quote: Iraclius

          Got ahead. I wanted to say the same thing.

          I also fellow
          Russia is the successor of the USSR. It means that all obligations of both the USSR and the USSR are transferred to Russia. And the oath to the newly-formed states can be considered traitors.

          About how!
          Cool!
          But, I agree, the debts of the USSR - RUSSIA, rights - "national entities".
          PS I took the oath to the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC, I will not give to others.
  • Garrin
    Garrin 26 March 2013 16: 38
    +8
    I would like to know from the author. Where is the commemorative plaque to the ukroflot now located, which the valiant ukroadmirali tried to hang on the Count's wharf?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 57
      +8
      Quote: Garrin
      Where is the commemorative plaque to the ukroflot now located, which the valiant ukroadmirali tried to hang on the Count's wharf?

      Like where is the plate, apparently where is at the bottom laughing
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 26 March 2013 17: 03
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , of course, somewhere at the bottom

        It depends on what it is made of - if it is from colormet, then at the reception point request lol
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 26 March 2013 17: 11
          +5
          Quote: Ruslan67
          It depends on what it is made of - if from colormet, then at the request lol reception point

          Not. At the bottom for sure. Right in the middle of the Sevastopol Bay. They buried solemnly, almost the whole city.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 26 March 2013 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Like where is the tablet, apparently where is at the bottom of the laughing

        Looks like crabs are very enthusiastic and patriotic in those places. smile
    2. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 26 March 2013 19: 20
      0
      Where it should be - at the bottom.
  • Letun
    Letun 26 March 2013 16: 39
    10
    Horror, yesterday one author promised us the start of March 25rd World War, today another scribbler predicts a war between Russia and Ukraine. Spring aggravation chtol?

    PS Although it is certainly tempting to return Crimea, Khrushchev gave Ukraine what it never belonged to, and a lot of Russian blood was shed for this land.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2013 16: 40
    +4
    The article is riddled with paranoia, and I want to note that if Russia would like, then the Crimea would blaze in the 90s cleaner than Chechnya.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 26 March 2013 17: 51
      +4
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      if Russia would like, Crimea would blaze in the 90s cleaner than Chechnya


      individual defenders of Russian interests should include a reason before writing comments. just as stupid and furious jumping out of cowards as the banderlozhy sufferers for the fate of Ukraine.
  • bulvas
    bulvas 26 March 2013 16: 43
    11
    Is it possible to reverse the decision of the khrushch? to return back the lands that were abundantly watered with Russian blood, until the Turks didn’t capitalize them.
    and the article is custom-made, 100%
    1. sergius60
      sergius60 26 March 2013 20: 55
      +1
      No, not customized. This is the TRUE OPINION "'re coming out-patriota ". yes
    2. rodevaan
      rodevaan 27 March 2013 18: 20
      -1
      Quote: bulvas
      Is it possible to reverse the decision of the khrushch? to return back the lands that were abundantly watered with Russian blood, until the Turks didn’t capitalize them.
      and the article is custom-made, 100%


      - Muzzle, face on an avatar! Well, smart face!
    3. rodevaan
      rodevaan 27 March 2013 20: 37
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      Is it possible to reverse the decision of the khrushch? to return back the lands that were abundantly watered with Russian blood, until the Turks didn’t capitalize them.
      and the article is custom-made, 100%


      - Erysipelas, erysipelas, smart on the avatar, what! Figs argue - wrinkled forehead, moves with a scalp!
  • AK44
    AK44 26 March 2013 16: 44
    +6
    And why did the author of the article decide that Ukraine has the right to the Crimean Peninsula and Sevastopol in particular? Until 1954, Crimea had no relation to Ukraine, but was autonomy within the RSFSR. And at present, not all residents of the peninsula want to be citizens of Ukraine. In Crimea there is a fairly strong pro-Russian lobby, plus the base of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol.
    And in general, it seems to me that the decision to transfer Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR is not legitimate, because popular referenda at that time had not yet been held, and no one asked the opinions of the inhabitants of the RSFSR.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 02
      -9
      Quote: AK44
      has the right to the Crimean peninsula

      Yes?
      And by what right does Russia own Chechnya for example?
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 26 March 2013 17: 21
        +1
        Quote: Skavron
        And by what right does Russia own Chechnya for example?

        That is why
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 31
          -7
          And give a reference more precisely ... otherwise it’s common somehow somehow it’s not clear
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 26 March 2013 18: 40
            +2
            Read the historical documents, you can understand why!
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 26 March 2013 20: 48
              -1
              What kind of historical documents?
              Where to find them?
              From what period to read - to study?
          2. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 26 March 2013 21: 32
            +3
            Quote: Skavron
            somehow not clear

            Yes, google yourself, it’s not enough for me to prove the obvious things ..
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 26 March 2013 22: 27
              -4
              and not read on the fence?
              by the way ... googled ... Chechnya has never been Russian. You conquered her. Google says so.
              1. lewerlin53rus
                lewerlin53rus 27 March 2013 02: 49
                +4
                Quote: Skavron
                . Chechnya has never been Russian. You conquered her.

                Duc, after all, Siberia was once conquered by Crimea and the Caucasus and Kaliningrad. And unlike colonial powers such as France, Spain, England, Russia gave these territories everything that could. And what did the present Ukraine in the face of rabid Russophobes and nationalists give to the same Crimea?
                1. Denis
                  Denis 27 March 2013 03: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: lewerlin53rus
                  what did the present Ukraine in the face of rabid Russophobes and nationalists give to the same Crimea?

                  admiral, see photo above
                2. vitamin ky
                  vitamin ky 27 March 2013 06: 45
                  +3
                  how that gave - a strange question - the answer is obvious and lies on the surface - "ELECTIONS" are far away - monotonous - dirty and constant - every year all Ukrainians take part in the election of new masters of life - mind you - they do it with special cynicism and sadism towards themselves - that is, for their own money that should have gotten into the budget, but got caught up - this whole game of democracy - quickly dilutes fragile minds and forms attitudes and principles unusual for normal people
                  we’re even deprived of our own opinion — for example, the current show and various polls where you can watch listening and voting by pressing buttons — and the answer options are ready — just vibrate, well, and if you have your own opinion, I’m sorry, brother, it’s not in format
              2. Rink
                Rink 31 March 2013 23: 56
                0
                Quote: Skavron
                ... Google says so.

                And sometimes you turn on your own brain, and then in the enemy Google a lot of all sorts of rubbish is written - not all the truth.
                And it turns out that the English officers in Chechnya and in Tibet are at home, and Turkestan is closer to London than to Moscow. However, what can I tell you, in your ears there is post-Goebbels Western propaganda ...
                Like a cork standing between the ears and the brain. I've already met this - a big problem! before it’s too late, you need to knock it out.
      2. AK44
        AK44 26 March 2013 20: 28
        +4
        Historically so. If Russia had been weaker at some point, then Chechnya, and probably Turkey or Iran would have owned the entire Caucasus now. Even in the chaos of the 90s, Russia found the strength to defend Chechnya.
        And in general, Crimea became part of the Russian Empire, and the state of Ukraine was not even mentioned!
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 26 March 2013 22: 16
          -5
          AK44 ... Chechnya was never originally Russian, and who cares who owns it? You now own ... relatively recently, and with it a constant hemorrhoids. And how many guys have you already put? How many more do you put? And they will continue to resist ...
          One more question.
          By what right is Chechnya yours? You just won it ...
          1. AK44
            AK44 27 March 2013 08: 55
            +3
            You are right, things are not going smoothly in the Caucasus. Russia lost thousands of its soldiers, but nevertheless retained its integrity. Without American and Arab money, this, as you say, hemorrhoids would not have happened. And the population of the Caucasian republics does not need rabid religious fanaticism, they do not want to leave the Russian Federation. People just want to live in peace - work, raise children.
            And on the account of the conquest of the Caucasus by Russia - yes, they did, thereby securing and strengthening the southern borders of the state.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 27 March 2013 21: 28
              -2
              I recommend to seize America, finally there will be no problems with border security
              1. AK44
                AK44 31 March 2013 14: 40
                0
                I recommend you to capture Romania. Although, where your non-state to compete with her.
          2. Rink
            Rink 31 March 2013 23: 46
            0
            Quote: Skavron
            By what right is Chechnya yours? You just won it ...

            By the way, Ukrainians in Ukraine are not autochthonous either. Nestor in the Ipatiev Chronicle directly says that they came here from somewhere from the Balkans, and settled on these lands. And to "sit down" - did you have to "move" someone? So the Ukrainians also inherited Ukraine as a result of conquests, and not inherited from their grandmother ...

            Look, the owners will come - they will ask to free the territory. Prove to them, by what right do you consider it yours?
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 26 March 2013 22: 34
        +4
        Yes?
        And by what right
        You’ll be surprised, but internationally, alas ... I believe that this is unpleasant for you, but it is.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 27 March 2013 21: 27
          -1
          On cool...
          Who is stronger is right))) I understand you
          1. AK44
            AK44 30 March 2013 07: 50
            0
            Quote: Skavron
            Who is stronger is right))) I understand you

            They also discovered America to me! And when it was different?
    2. morpex
      morpex 26 March 2013 22: 14
      -2
      Quote: AK44
      And in general, it seems to me that the decision to transfer Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR is not legitimate, because popular referenda at that time had not yet been held, and no one asked the opinions of the inhabitants of the RSFSR.

      Already two times and gave the link and then posted.
      The reason for the transfer of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine is simple and banal, like our whole life. Exactly 59 years ago, 19 on February 1954, the Crimean region was transferred from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. According to the official version, this is a state decision in order to strengthen the centuries-old friendship of the Ukrainian and Russian people. On the other - a random gift from Nikita Khrushchev to the birthday of his Ukrainian wife. In the third, Khrushchev thereby wanted to enlist the support of the secretaries of the Ukrainian regional committees. According to the fourth - because Khrushchev was just a volunteer, and for no reason he wanted to like this. In fact, everything is much simpler and more prosaic - the construction of the North Crimean Canal was the reason for the transfer of Crimea. Until the 60 of the last century, the steppe Crimea was rather dull catcher: dry steppes scorched by the sun and the Crimean foothills, dotted with a network of dirt roads, dusty in summer and almost impassable in winter. And rare and groomed settlements, in most of which water was unsuitable for drinking. She was taken from ponds and streams, and even by the middle of summer they had dried up. The stock of wells with quality water was scanty, and it was difficult to get water from a great depth.After the severe drought of the 1833 year and the famine that followed, the insufficient water supply of Tauris was officially recognized, and the search for new sources of water resources began. The solution lay on the surface - to use the waters of the Dnieper by building a canal. However, money for this (about 40 million) could be finally solved by providing the Crimea with fresh water only during the Soviet era, and on 21 of September 1951, in the central newspaper of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union “Pravda” a resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR “Oh But the question arose:“ And who will to manage the construction of this largest waterway in Europe to supply the Dnieper with Dnieper water? ”If you think that this is not a problem, then you are mistaken As the Soviet economy grew, the number of branch ministries and inter-branch Vedas multiplied Mstv, which by the mid-1950-ies led to the question of its controllability. the construction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric station on the Dnieper River, the South Ukrainian and North Crimean canals and the irrigation of land in the southern regions of Ukraine and the northern regions of Crimea. ”Tsar’s rubles at prices of the late XIX - beginning XX) there was nowhere to take.
      1. morpex
        morpex 26 March 2013 22: 33
        -1
        Continuation in Crimea
        Ministries in the USSR were divided into all-Union (led the industry entrusted to them throughout the USSR) and Union-Republican (led the relevant branches on the territory of the Union Republic). But even those projects that were in the Union subordination were directly managed by the ministries of those republics on whose territory these facilities were built. While design and exploration work was ongoing, this issue was not urgent, but by the 1954 year a project was prepared for the construction of the first stage of the water arteries. This required the involvement of not only tens of thousands of workers, but also equipment: graders, dredgers, road machines, walking excavators. Construction must be provided with cable, slate, communication, electricity, finally. Simultaneously with the North Crimean Canal, it was decided to build a solid and modern asphalt highway, parallel to the canal.
        Everything was clear with the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Station and the South Ukrainian Canal - a new organization, Ukrvodostroy, was created, which was under the operational subordination of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR. In addition, there was Dneprostroy in the Ukrainian SSR, which in the 1927-1932 years built the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station.

        And who will build the North Crimean Canal? In the RSFSR there was a similar organization to Dneprostroy - Dalstroy, which built the Volga-Don Canal. But Dalstroy was subordinate to the NKVD, and the Volga-Don Canal was built so that the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR would manage the facility being built on the territory of the RSFSR - this did not happen in Soviet history (and vice versa, by the way). But bringing the construction of the North Crimean Canal to the Crimean border, and then transferring its construction to the operational management of the RSFSR Council of Ministers is simply stupid.

        In addition, the problem of managing the RSFSR enclave from Moscow existed before that, and it was obvious that it was much more convenient to manage the Crimean region from Kiev. Then Khrushchev came up with the idea to solve all administrative and technical issues at once, and subordinate the Crimean region to the administrative union unit to which it is closer.

        And what, in fact, is the difference, to which union republic Crimea is administratively subordinated, if the Soviet Union is one and it is indestructible? And here the 300 anniversary of the Pereyaslavskaya Rada very well turned up.

        And already in Kiev in the following years the problems of the arrangement of Crimea fell. Like the decision of the 1958 of the year to conduct an unprecedented mining experiment in Europe - the decree of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR "On the construction of the trolleybus line Simferopol-Alushta-Yalta", and many others.

        So the fate of Crimea was not influenced by the desire to bring Russian and Ukrainian peoples closer even more. And not a romantic desire to make a pleasant wife-Ukrainian. And not Khrushchev’s voluntarism. The transfer of the Crimean region was influenced by a dull economic decision to build the North Crimean Canal, only after the appearance of which in the beginning of the 60's, Crimea became "the edge of orchards and vineyards."

        And for the peninsula itself, this channel is much more important than the Ukrainian or Russian administrative affiliation of the Crimea, believe me - I lived there, I know ...
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 30 March 2013 16: 55
          0
          Thank you for the detailed type of response, but Crimea, as such, has left Ukraine at the behest of EBN, and you, excuse me, put a shadow on the wattle fence. The documents signed by the KhNS had in fact (who will go against the Central Committee?) Only internal force, for the law (even the USSR) it is a fiction !!!
          The transition of Crimea to Ukraine legalized EBN!
          To give someone else’s, the lot of caliphs for an hour.
  • antidote
    antidote 26 March 2013 16: 45
    +2
    The lady was given the opportunity to write on a military-political topic and that’s what came of it. Although I think this provocative article was written by some Anglo-Saxon hireling, an opponent of Russian-Ukrainian relations. Interestingly, but in Odessa the network is a navy?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 58
      +2
      Quote: antidot
      Interestingly, but in Odessa the network is a navy?

      There is what remains of the fleet crying
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 26 March 2013 17: 05
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There is what remains of the fleet

        I found only this on Google ... Yes, it is understandable. Odessa is a great trading port! But the Navy .....
        The division of river ships of the naval forces of Ukraine will be based in the Practical Harbor of the Western Naval Base of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa.
        According to the media center of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Odessa Naval Division’s division of river ships has already been created in Odessa. In the Ukrainian naval forces, the division will become a unique part: there were no river forces before the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
        As the interim commander of the Western Naval Base, captain of 2 rank Igor Zaitsev, said the new division is designed to serve on border rivers, lakes, estuaries, as well as external raids and coastal waters.
        It is planned that in 2013 it will include the first two armored artillery boats of the Gyurza-M project, laid down in October 2012 at the Leninskaya Kuznitsa plant in Kiev, and crew training will begin at the same time. And in 2014, the formation of the division, equipped with new boats of this type, will be fully completed. Today, the staffing of the division's command and control personnel continues, the tactics of river boats operations, the specifics of interaction with other formations and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being studied.
        http://trassae95.com/all/news/2013/01/03/divizion-rechnyh-korablej-vms-ukrainy-b
        udet-bazirovatjsya-v-odesse-4904.html
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 17: 24
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          : before river forces in the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not.

          Yes, and now they are not.
          With regards to what will be created, how many plans have been voiced and nothing has been done. The whole question rests on money.
    2. sergius60
      sergius60 26 March 2013 21: 01
      0
      Hiring is not needed at all. What is the denomination of Zahidna? Greco-CATHOLIC !!! Any questions? Or do you not know that the Poles are, first of all, Catholics, and secondly, only Slavs. recourse
  • ed65b
    ed65b 26 March 2013 16: 50
    +1
    I wonder what are going to fight with us? fat?
  • erased
    erased 26 March 2013 16: 53
    13
    Pans are the owners of the site! You sho affected? So, I’m bach here this citadel, anti-Moss propaganda! You sho You would have published an interview with Clinton and Saakashvili here!
    Sevastopol is a Russian city! Always, is and will be! And what he is temporarily behind the cordon is political squabbles of hefty non-burnt lads Khrushchev, Gorbach, Yeltsin
    And there’s nothing here to print pussicles of zapadentsev and Bandera!
    Strong, strong from mozh to mozh. Ukraine hi cheve ... yak want! But so as not to suffer from crap! And people over time will figure out who is who.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 26 March 2013 16: 57
      +5
      But so as not to suffer from crap!

      I’ll support the dude. drinks
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 26 March 2013 22: 39
      0
      STER, the coolest comment!
  • Ppsh
    Ppsh 26 March 2013 16: 53
    13
    I like Ukrainian officers! We swore ... blah blah blah. Mazepa also swore allegiance and died like a dog. But only having formed and raised the Ukrainian flags in 1918, the glorious Ukrainian fleet stupidly did not surrender to the Germans without a fight the next day. I don’t want to listen to the bleating of the under-admiral Tenyuk. Although in one he is right - Sevastopol will be Russian!
  • Skavron
    Skavron 26 March 2013 16: 53
    +1
    I read the source ...
    Guys are administrators, have you read this site yourself?
    There is continuous insanity and continuous holoborodko in every third article. Moreover, they are written at the same level and, oddly enough, in Russian. I am afraid that this site is not an expression of the opinion of most Ukrainians.
    Generally a pocket site of OOPs or just someone cuts money from a site under the guise of a national Wed ... cha in Ukraine.
    Of course, I can bring a lot of objective Ukrainian information sites, but you already know them, I think.
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 26 March 2013 17: 01
      +4
      Yes, from the first paragraph of the article it is clear that the Nazis are writing. Most likely by order, that the Westerners again started yelling about the oppression by the "bloody Moscow gebnya". Ugh, filthiness ...
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 03
        +3
        Yes there the whole site is
        Selective information review, very low analysis
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 26 March 2013 17: 08
          +1
          So this is the whole point - pulling quotes out of context and dazzling the anti-Russian song ... ny. Voila! The media began to boil, in Levon the warlike with the yellow-blakopny hopak dance and threatened Moscow with fists.
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 26 March 2013 16: 53
    +7
    Quote: ed65b
    I wonder what are going to fight with us?

    even thoughts about a war with Ukraine should not arise, but among Ukrainians about a war with Russia. The thought of unification is another matter!
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 26 March 2013 17: 03
      +2
      Who? Do Ukrainian speculators who rip off their people worse than ours? Yes, they only need this so that internal problems and contradictions do not rush.
  • sprut
    sprut 26 March 2013 16: 59
    +7
    Ukraine, or in other words Little Russia, this is Russia !!!
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 04
      -3
      Quote: sprut
      this is Russia !!!

      here honestly didn’t know about it
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius 26 March 2013 17: 06
      +4
      When I was in Crimea in the 2011 year, mischievous thoughts came to my mind. Get out, like, to the embankment of Yalta and shout something like that. Then, I think, well, nafig - they will still arrest her or put her in a fool. International conflict, again. lol
  • crambol
    crambol 26 March 2013 17: 01
    0
    ... But Ukraine has no right to allow this! ” - considers Tenyuk.

    But Tenyuk did not give a word. Sit down!
  • SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 26 March 2013 17: 05
    +1
    Ukraine’s policy with regard to Crimea raises many questions: the region’s tatarization and violation of the agreement with the Russian Federation on the Black Sea Fleet, and the throwing of the Ukrainian authorities to the EU or China and the Russian Federation does not inspire confidence, so updating the Black Sea Fleet is a correct and timely measure
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 26 March 2013 17: 05
    +7
    Oooooooo, our smaller brothers sang !!!!!! When will it reach you. That the Crimea is not the territory of Ukraine. The Russian Empire recaptured him from the Tatars with the Turks. And you all rushed between us and the Turks, like political prostitutes. Yes, you are now. Everyone is trying to sit on two chairs! SITALITIES DO NOT ENOUGH !!!!
  • aleks71
    aleks71 26 March 2013 17: 09
    +2
    Oooooohhh, Irishechka ...... and what are you so afraid of there? And what is it that "unfortunate" "bad" Russia wants to do to you? Irina, with all those not the best dealings in the relationship, have forgotten the ESSENCE that you KIND and KIND OF BLOOD ... Here the GDP is scratching its head how to bring you home ... It's good to wander around the world, to throw yourself to extremes and make people laugh ... who knows how to hear his people ..
  • Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 26 March 2013 17: 09
    +4
    Hmm, of course I understand that in Ukraine they have moved crazy with respect to Russia, but so be it! Crimea was Russian, and there is nothing to be done about it, and if a decision was made to modernize the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, then this is necessary. Unlike Ukraine, we know that Russia has only two allies: this is the army and navy. And it’s really time for Yanukovych to decide who he and Kiev are. Although, if things go at such a pace, then not only the Crimea, the entire Southeast of the country will announce a turn from the gates.
  • Castor oil
    Castor oil 26 March 2013 17: 09
    +1
    We change the price of gas to the Crimea !?
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 26 March 2013 21: 42
      +2
      Quote: Castor_ka
      We change the price of gas to the Crimea !?

      Ukrainians say, the homeland is not for sale, Russian-the homeland is not bought. Fucking politics, Russia - Ukraine - Belarus drinks maybe again in Kievan Rus soldier (even if the capital is in Moscow, although Novgorod is closer to me in spirit)
  • SCS
    SCS 26 March 2013 17: 12
    +2
    "Today, the Customs Union has been added to them. There is still no clarity in the negotiations on these issues, and this cannot but enrage Russia, which wants by any means and means to" crush "Ukraine under its sole influence, in fact, turning it into a satellite of the Russian Federation."
    -------
    Irina Goloborodko, interestingly, you yourself came to such conclusions or wrote this article and paid in the West ... rather the second, but the reason for this is simple-cause a negative reaction of Ukrainian citizens to Russia !!!
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 15
      +2
      Quote: SCS
      The reason for this is simple-cause a negative reaction of citizens of Ukraine to Russia !!!

      the reason is more mercantile .... cut money
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 26 March 2013 17: 13
    +8
    in Sevastopol need to hold a referendum on joining Russia
    1. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 26 March 2013 19: 17
      +4
      Sevastopol would have voted in such a referendum at least 97% for, and Crimea as a whole, about 75-80 (except for the Tatars, some politicians, businessmen, officials who came from Ukraine, but their overwhelming minority). I speak as a Crimean, I had a chance to live in many cities of Crimea, then I returned to the city of Russian glory, I know not by hearsay.
      1. xan
        xan 28 March 2013 16: 24
        0
        Quote: Sevastopolets
        Sevastopol would have voted in such a referendum at least 97% for, and Crimea as a whole, about 75-80 (except for the Tatars, some politicians, businessmen, officials who came from Ukraine, but their overwhelming minority). I speak as a Crimean, I had a chance to live in many cities of Crimea, then I returned to the city of Russian glory, I know not by hearsay.

        Last time was in Crimea in 2000. At that time, Ukraine lived well. In Sevastopol, the Ukrainian spirit was despised at that time.
        Ukrainians, give Crimea, it’s not yours, you are strangers there, and there is no need to say that this issue pushes Ukraine away from Russia, all the worse for Ukraine — why do Russia need such clever Ukrainians?
        Russian Crimea, and will be Russian, everything goes to this
  • ekebastus
    ekebastus 26 March 2013 17: 14
    +2
    Bullshit Svidomo mare ...
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 26 March 2013 17: 17
    +1
    Look, you gave the oath. But they didn’t give the USSR?
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 26 March 2013 17: 22
      -3
      Quote: Avenger711
      Look, you gave the oath. But they didn’t give the USSR?

      Does the USSR still exist?
      Did not know...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 26 March 2013 19: 10
        16
        Quote: Skavron
        Does the USSR still exist?
        Did not know...

        USSR still exists
        Indeed, in order for him to be legally dead, it was necessary to carry out the procedures established by the law “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the exit of the Union Republic from the USSR” (3.04.1990). The decision on the withdrawal of a Union republic from the USSR shall be deemed adopted “by means of a referendum if at least two-thirds of USSR citizens permanently residing on the territory of the republic at the time of raising the question of its withdrawal from the USSR” voted for it (Art. 6). Citizens of the USSR living in a separating republic were guaranteed "the right to choose citizenship, place of residence and work, and the leaving republic compensates all the costs associated with relocating citizens from the borders of the republic" (Article 15).

        As is known, no referendum on secession from the USSR was held in any of the Union republics. Although, in this regard, it was guaranteed by the Constitution of the USSR. And for the RSFSR, USSR, BSSR - also the UN Charter.

        Referendums are not a substitute for the unilateral declarations of independence of the RSFSR (12.06.1990), Moldova (23.06.1990), Ukraine (16.07.1990), Uzbekistan (20.07.1990), Belarus (27.07.1990), Turkmenistan (22.08.1990), Armenia (23.08.1990), Tajikistan (24.08.1990), Kazakhstan (25.10.1990) ), Georgia (14.11.1990), Kyrgyzstan (15.12.1990). And even more so - the decision of the incomprehensible “State Council” on cutting off from the USSR and “recognition of independence” of the Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian Union Republics ”(6.09.1991).
        According to the results of the referendum alone, it was possible to deprive 280 million people of USSR citizenship, taking into account Art. 15 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Art. 33 of the Constitution of the USSR, Art. 20 of the Law "On Citizenship of the USSR" (23.05.1990), Art. 5 Declaration of Human Rights and Freedoms (5.06.1991), etc.

        The signing in the Bialowieza Forest of the 3-sided Agreement on the Establishment of the CIS (8.12.1991), in which it was announced that the USSR “ceases to exist” did not comply with the legislation in force at that time and contradicted the will of the people expressed in the All-Union referendum of 17 on March 1991, when 76,4% of Soviet citizens voted to preserve the USSR. In addition, the existence of an inter-republican CIS does not abolish the USSR.

        Legally, the membership of the Soviet Union in the United Nations was not terminated. The Bialowieza Agreement was not properly ratified and was not submitted to the UN Secretariat, as it should.
        The inviolability and integrity of the state territory of the USSR was fixed and still has not been canceled in the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (1.09.1975): “The participating states believe that their borders can be changed, in accordance with international law, peacefully and by agreements ... The participating States regard as inviolable all the borders of each other, as the borders of all states in Europe ... they will accordingly refrain from any requirements or actions aimed at am and usurpation of part or all of the territory of any State Party. "

        So, there are no legal obstacles to the existence and revival of the USSR. Moreover, the Russian Constitution, adopted at a referendum, does not contain any norms prohibiting the existence of the USSR and proclaims the people the only source of power in Russia. And since this source never spoke out for the collapse of the USSR, the stated opinion has not yet been refuted by anyone.
        And do you think gentlemen are numerous lawyers - and not only lawyers?
        http://www.livejournal.ru/themes/id/18544
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 26 March 2013 19: 54
          +2
          Fidget - 5 + !!! good
  • Garrin
    Garrin 26 March 2013 17: 19
    +5
    Quote: Avenger711
    Look, you gave the oath. But they didn’t give the USSR?

    And we didn’t cheat on her. soldier
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 26 March 2013 17: 25
    +2
    Violation of agreements between Ukraine and Russia on the basis of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol were repeatedly violated earlier.


    And they also drank vodka and ruffled discipline.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 26 March 2013 22: 21
      0
      Quote: Avenger711
      And they also drank vodka and ruffled discipline.

      ... and the mess was violated. repeat laughing
  • cumastra1
    cumastra1 26 March 2013 17: 29
    +3
    Something Ukraine as Lieutenant Rzhevsky - everyone is fucking and rejoicing, but I'm fucking and crying. Do they want to join NATO? I don't think they'll be taken. They will be afraid. In which case, will there be much confidence in the Ukrainian army on the part of NATO? Only the Galitchin division will be trusted if it is formed. And the rest of Ukraine is still drawn to the hares ...
  • ausguck
    ausguck 26 March 2013 17: 35
    +1
    Where did such a frankly Russophobic article appear on a Russian site? I would have understood if it was some kind of Echo of Moscow, but I did not expect this from Military Review, Chesslov! am
  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 26 March 2013 17: 37
    0

    And we all remain “hostages” of the result of this “chess game” - citizens of Ukraine.

    In order not to be hostages of your "chess players", choose a president oriented towards integration with Russia.
    1. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 26 March 2013 19: 06
      +3
      Rather, residents of the Crimea and the south-east of the country have been hostages to this pseudo-state of Ukraine for more than 20 years.
  • Great
    Great 26 March 2013 17: 39
    +5
    It would be interesting to know at least one plus from the independence of Ukraine? What is now customary to say not "to Ukraine" but "to Ukraine"? So it could have been done with less moronic methods ... It is clear to everyone that in the event of a mess against Ukraine, no one except Russia and Belarus will harness FOR her. Well, NOBODY !!! Why be wise? I understand, if the fleet of some ayatollah rushed to Crimea. Here you need to laugh back evilly and look for a powerful ally, without a knife behind your back! And then they swore an oath ... Let's give the cruiser zhovto-blakitnym - in a month their country will go around the world! Although, no ... it will not work ... They will sell ...
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 26 March 2013 18: 08
      -3
      Quote: Great
      that in the case of a mess against Ukraine

      It would be interesting to learn about the probable opponents of Ukraine ... well, with which a mess can happen
      1. AK44
        AK44 26 March 2013 21: 24
        0
        Quote: Skavron
        Historically so. If Russia had been weaker at some point, then Chechnya, and probably Turkey or Iran would have owned the entire Caucasus now. Even in the chaos of the 90s, Russia found the strength to defend Chechnya.
        And in general, Crimea became part of the Russian Empire, and the state of Ukraine was not even mentioned!
    2. sergius60
      sergius60 26 March 2013 21: 15
      0
      Who will buy? For purchases, "denyuzhka" is needed ... And its netuski ... Texas, the little gold from the FRS began to beg for itself, Scotland on the 14th year soaped up from "small Britain" to shed. tongue
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 26 March 2013 17: 40
    +4
    And the article upset and upset me. do Ukrainian officers and citizens think so? Can Russia bring evil to the fraternal people? Are (NATO) Anglo-Saxons better? Why didn't our fleet please them? Sevastopol is a Russian land watered with Russian blood - where is the conscience of these Ukrainian "sailors"? Goonies - gathered to defend Ukrainian sovereignty! FROM WHOM? From Russian sailors? What will you shoot if we bring the new ships ?! SO END TO YOU THEN AND PHYSICAL AND MORAL!
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 26 March 2013 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      And the article upset and upset me. do Ukrainian officers and citizens think so?

      Russia and Ukraine in every possible way avoid using the events of the mid-90s in their propaganda (which is correct), and for Russians, even more so, that period is strongly associated with the events in Chechnya (hence some misunderstanding of such an attitude of Ukrainians towards Russia) .Just try to find out the history Russia’s first shutdown of gas to Ukraine, probably a lot of information leaked to the Internet, albeit stopped, but you can get an idea of ​​what is happening.
    2. z-exit
      z-exit 26 March 2013 18: 02
      0
      This is where you read about evil there? The author and others like them regret that
      "... Russia's quiet expansion in Ukraine from humanitarian and economic planes is also quietly growing into the military sphere"
      It really is. This is a fact if you want.
      But I do not consider it evil. On the contrary, it is good for the Ukrainian people.
      And it is not surprising that Ugraina grabbed her hands in Crimea with her hands. And rightly so, this is the position of a normal state. Our Khrushchov himself gave it away. Russia, too, seized the Kuril Islands and I think it is right and patriotic.
  • Shooter308ful
    Shooter308ful 26 March 2013 17: 42
    +4
    Tenyuk, you fucking Russophobe! It’s a pity you don’t read it. The land of Crimea is abundantly shed with the blood of a Russian, namely a Russian soldier. Look who has set up palaces there and to whom old monuments have been erected. Russians and Russians. If it weren't for this, Crimea would have been Turkish land. Ukraine got the Crimea for free. First, your "maize" Khrushchev, taking advantage of the fact that he ruled the Empire, annexed Crimea to Ukraine, and after the drunkard Yeltsin-su ... so that he turned over there, after the collapse of the USSR, he simply turned away from the decision of the representative body of the Crimean autonomy to join Crimea back into the structure Russia.
    So it’s time, friends, to return our countryman rightfully. Raise all the documentation, understand and return. So don’t bark, Tenyuk, into the Russian fleet, it stands on its land and water.
    Eat your fat and bite the seeds, Tenyuk, and Crimea will be Russian. Do you want it or not.
  • Heccrbq
    Heccrbq 26 March 2013 17: 44
    +2
    Tovarischi, citizens of Ukraine, since when did Sevastopol become non-fallow? Khrushchev’s actions in 1954 are illegal and I ask you to drop in my documents confirming that Sevastopol belongs to Ukraine (you won’t find it), I need a referendum for the city residents, in which country they see their future.