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Xi Jinping in Moscow: a nightmare for America

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On Sunday, the three-day visit to Moscow of Chinese President Xi Jinping ended. Russia and China have signed a package of important agreements totaling more than three dozen, which speaks for itself. The visit of the Chinese leader was thus much more productive for Russia than the visit of Mr. Barroso, head of the European Commission, which ended last Friday: in the latter case, only three documents were signed. Comrade Sy shared with the leader of Russia not only economic and strategic plans, but he confessed his love for Russian literature and even said that in his youth he imitated Chernyshevsky's character Rakhmetov in order to temper himself for the future harsh life.




The Russian Federation became the first country that Xi Jinping selected for the state visit as the new chairman of the PRC. The most important documents signed during the visit appeared agreements to increase the supply of Russian hydrocarbons to China and the construction of pipeline branches in the southern direction. In addition, an intergovernmental agreement to expand cooperation in the trade of crude oil and an agreement on cooperation in the construction and operation of the Tianjin oil refining and petrochemical plant were signed.

Xi Jinping’s visit began on Friday with long (seven-hour!) Talks with Vladimir Putin. Then the two colleagues jointly opened the year of Chinese tourism. The next day, Comrade Sy visited the State Duma, gave a lecture to MGIMO students and visited the Operational Control Center of the Armed Forces. Vladimir Putin called Xi Jinping’s trip a “landmark gesture”, and State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin said that this fact speaks of the priority of the Russian Federation in China’s foreign policy.

Commenting on the results of Comrade X's visit to Moscow, some experts say that relations between Russia and China are in good shape, but in the future they may become complicated. Analysts of the Economist magazine associate deterioration in relations with China’s ambitions in the arms market. Beijing is dissatisfied with the deliveries of Russian weapons to Vietnam and India, while in the meantime it is becoming an active player in the arms market, competing with Russia.

Recall that at the end of last year, China entered the top five of the world's largest exporters of the main types of conventional weapons. About it says in the report of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. The report includes data on the supply of main types of conventional weapons and military equipment in the period from 2008 to 2012. The top five largest arms suppliers, as before, are the United States (30% as a share of global exports). weapons), followed by Russia (26%), then Germany (7%), France (6%) and China (5%).

China is also a significant arms importer. The top five importers of weapons are led, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, India (12% in the share of world imports), followed by China (6%), Pakistan (5%), South Korea (5%) and Singapore (4 %).

As for Russia, on the eve of the visit of the Chinese leader, Russia and China have signed framework agreement on the supply of aircraft and submarines. The PRC will purchase non-nuclear submarines of the 24 Amur project from the 35 and Su-4 and 1650 aircraft of the Russian Federation. The implementation of these two agreements may be the first in the last decade a major supply of Russian weapons to China. Moreover, the Chinese side believes that in the future, the PRC and the Russian Federation may expand cooperation in the field of arms supplies. We are talking about the purchase by China of heavy 117C engines, C-400 anti-aircraft guns, Il-76 transport aircraft and Il-78 tanker aircraft.

The current contract for the supply of Su-35 and submarine project 1650 "Amur", as told “Russian service BBC” Independent military expert Viktor Murakhovsky, really signed. It was prepared for several months: during this time, the parties discussed the volume of deliveries. The fact is that Russia refused to supply a small batch of aircraft to China, fearing that Beijing is planning to copy these products. But during the negotiations last year, an agreement was signed on the protection of intellectual property in terms of defense products. Murakhovsky notes that China had previously successfully copied the gliders of the Russian Su-27 and MiG-29 aircraft, then starting production of the J-10 and FC-1 fighter jets. True, the engines, and less modern than the Su-35, the Chinese could not copy.

Dmitry Mosyakov, Head of the Center for Southeast Asia and Oceania at the Institute of Oriental Studies, who answered several questions "Euronews"He believes that the route of the Chinese leader speaks about the priorities that modern China is building, and about those foreign policy priorities that the PRC leadership is building for the future. Russia, from the point of view of the new Chinese leadership, is moving towards a position of a very close alliance, the expert believes.

D. Mosyakov has no doubt that Russian-Chinese relations will improve, but relations between China and the United States will, on the contrary, be tense: “I think that these relations will consistently improve. And clearly there is a common interest and common positioning in the world of Russia and China. As for China, it is increasingly clear that its relations with the United States have entered a very difficult period of struggle, when the USA is trying with all its might to stop the growth of Chinese power, the growth of Chinese expansion in Southeast Asia, in the countries of the Pacific region, when very complex relations with Japan. Russia in this situation also has a huge interest in strengthening relations with China, not only as an economic alternative, but also as a political alternative. Because it is natural that the position of closer relations with China strengthens the position of Russia in negotiations with both the EU and the United States. ”

The main purpose of Xi Jinping’s visit was to expand Chinese purchases of Russian hydrocarbons. Today, Russia provides 6% of oil supplies to China. Mostly Celestial buys her in saudi arabia.

CNPC and Gazprom signed a memorandum on gas supplies to China via the eastern route. The signing of the memorandum allows you to start a long discussion of the value of the contract. The volume of deliveries can be 38 billion cubic meters with the possibility of increasing to 60 billions. The agreement is likely to take effect from the 2016 year. An outlet from the Power of Siberia gas pipeline will be built for deliveries.

Rosneft signed an agreement with CNPC on the terms of supply of crude oil to China on a prepayment basis for 25 years, a contract for cooperation in the construction and operation of the Tianjin refinery, an agreement on cooperation in the field of exploration, production and sale of hydrocarbons. CNPC will cooperate with the Russian company in eight projects in Eastern Siberia, as well as on the shelf of the Barents Sea and in the Pechora basin.

Publicist Andrew Parshev on this topic says the following: “In general, we must understand that Russia is gradually becoming an important source of resources for China. Modern geopolitical development is likely to result in the fact that China will experience a significant shortage of resources from other sources. Of course, this is certainly a very offensive perspective for us, but, on the other hand, if we have already accepted the fact that we are a raw materials appendage of the West, then, as they say, we should not get used to it already. ”

Speaking to representatives of Russian Sinology at the Diplomatic Academy, Xi Jinping рассказал listeners about their passion for Russian literature. His favorite book is the novel “What to do?” The PRC leader recalled his youth: “At that time I was working in the village and decided to follow the example of Rakhmetov. In the summer, he went out in the rain, in the winter he went out in the snow, so that he could harden his will. ” (Comrade C was probably not sleeping on the nails). At the end of the meeting in the Diplomatic Academy, the PRC leader expressed hope that new generations in China and Russia will continue to develop friendly ties between the two countries.

Analyst Ivan Preobrazhensky (Rosbalt), recalling Xi Jinping’s statement that the results of the visit exceeded his expectations, remarks that the Chinese delegation did not come to pay, but to ask prices.

New Chinese top is going to solve the problem of reorientation of the economy: to turn quantity into quality, not allowing overheating. The best way here is to invest the surplus in a foreign economy, in exchange for acquiring what the national economy lacks. China needs Russian energy, weapons and technology.

“Watching all this for the future has arrived, apparently, this time the Chinese delegation. And the statement by Xi Jinping means that the Chinese have found that there are clearly more people suitable for acquiring property in Russia than could have been expected, judging by its rates of “de-modernization” in recent years. And most importantly, they saw that the Russian elites are ready to part with this property. ”


According to the expert, returning back home, the Chinese will analyze the information received and estimate how much money they are ready to give to the Russians. Basically, the money will go to Russia in the form of loans. And then the Chinese negotiators, writes Preobrazhensky, will conclude dubious contracts for Russia.

“Well, and then, as was already the case in Europe, for example, in the case of BMW, or in many African countries, in dozens and hundreds of cases, Chinese loans will need to be paid exactly when there is no money in the treasury. And a happy Chinese guest will get enough of what he needed: technology and energy. Together with the companies that develop or produce them. ”


As for the Chinese, they provide information about the meeting and planned cooperation in solemn tones. Influential newspaper "People's Daily" пишетthat in bilateral trade and economic contacts over the past 10 years, besides the period of financial crisis, double-digit growth rates remained. The trade turnover between China and Russia for twenty years has grown 15 times, last year a record was set - 88,2 billion dollars. Before the overseas tour, Xi Jinping emphasized that the goal of achieving turnover in 100 billion dollars in bilateral trade, which was planned for the 2015 year, should be achieved earlier. The newspaper also notes that during the visit, the Chairman of the PRC and the President of the Russian Federation decided to transform the advantages of a high level of political relations into practical fruits of pragmatic cooperation.

An article in a Chinese newspaper ends almost in the style of the editorial board of the Soviet Pravda:

“At present, China and Russia are going through an important period of national revival, almost identical countries face historical missions and development tasks. Sustainable cooperation and win-win relationships will contribute to the joint upsurge. Economic interaction is aimed at balancing quantity and quality, deepening cooperation in the field of energy, high technology, and investment, will certainly raise bilateral mutually beneficial cooperation to a whole new level, and at the same time, the goal will be achieved to strengthen the integrated power of the two states and increase their international competitiveness. ”


As for the western assessment of Xi Jinping’s visit to Moscow, it is remarkably illustrated by an article by Stephen Garner, published recently in the journal "Forbes". The journalist is sounding the alarm that the Chinese and Russians have not only knocked together a successful anti-American alliance, but also started strengthening it. One might think that the correspondent writes with humor, but no: he is tormented by real fear. He is afraid for his native United States. Behind the little eagle, at which, bear and frowning, look Bear and Dragon.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping shook hands in the Grand Kremlin Palace. Many people in the State Department, the White House and the Pentagon, the journalist continues in a tragic tone, wriggled in their chairs this weekend, and those responsible for US Asian policy (especially China policy) did nothing but listen and read the reports. about the meeting comrades Putin and Xi.

The meeting between the leaders of China and Russia is not a big failure, it’s just a disaster for US interests, Garner writes. What is happening now testifies to the stupidity of the Obama-Clinton-Panetta trio with their "turn towards Asia." This demonstrates the complete political inability of the Obama administration to create constructive relations with China.

Moreover, the analyst continues, the Japanese must panic too. Even stronger than the Americans. After all, Comrade X declared that the outcome of the meeting exceeded his expectations. What could be worse for the Japanese?

The American exactly cuts the tablet: the days from 22 to 24 in March 2013 of the year related to the official state visit of Xi Jinping, more precisely, with his first foreign visit after accepting the highest state post, unfortunately, gave a historical beginning to a new anti-American geopolitical alliance in East Asia.

According to Garner, the meeting of the two leaders confirmed their intentions to form a strategic partnership that would allow them to advance the interests of the two countries. The analyst believes that the strategic and territorial interests of each country are clearly confirmed, including claims for disputed territories. For China, here are the Diaoyu Islands (Senkaku), claimed by Japan, and the islands in the South China Sea, claimed by the Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam. For Russia, such territories include four islands, which Japan assumes as its “northern territories”, and in Russia they are called the South Kuriles. The American journalist argues his opinion on the fact that at a joint press conference after the meeting, Xi and Putin especially emphasized that the right of the victorious powers in World War II (read: Russia and China, the journalist nervously remarks, not knowing what distant historical conclusions from his remarks, other American readers can do) can not be revised. Such statements indicate that Garner believes that Russia and China have established coordination and mutual support in resolving international disputes - in particular, in the United Nations, where both countries are permanent members of the UN Security Council with veto power.

Then Garner clutches at all his head. After all, Chinese and Russian officials signed 30 agreements on cooperation in the field of energy, trade, technology and military exchange. All these agreements are not just strategically important, but indispensable for both countries. In the area of ​​military equipment, Russia has proven to be an invaluable and indispensable supplier for China: the West, led by the United States, continues to block the transfer of military technology to it.

It got to the point that Comrade Sy visited the Operational Control Center of the Armed Forces - where none of the foreign leaders had ever been before! Here, the Chinese were even allowed to video, says the journalist.

And in order to feel more connected, the Chinese and Russians agreed to strengthen energy cooperation. According to the American, Moscow is afraid of such a factor of competition as the gas “shale revolution”, besides energy is the most important branch of Russia. Therefore, Russia and China have planned to jointly develop the extraction of coal, oil and gas in Russia and ensure the current and future energy needs of China.

So, Garner summarizes what we really know is that the summit of Xi and Putin testifies: American diplomacy over the past four years has not been able to effectively motivate China to chart a course that is consistent with US interests. Most likely, the Obama administration has shown itself on the militaristic side, adhering to the rhetoric about strengthening the United States and focusing on the Asia-Pacific Region, and, on the whole, clearly pursuing an anti-Chinese strategy. Along with this, rhetoric included the return of the anti-Soviet Cold War. "Russian hugs," writes the journalist bitterly, seemed to be conceived as a counterweight to American hegemony and regional military alliances, in particular, the alliance between the United States and Japan. It is likely that the meeting between Xi and Putin on 22-24 in March was a turning point in history.

Let's sum up. Officially, Russia and China are fine. However, Russian analysts and observers fear that things are like in the song: "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise." The homeland is about to turn into a raw materials appendage no longer of the West, but China, Chinese investments will be small, and there will be loans with interest, which the Kremlin authorities for some reason are always happy about. As for airplanes and engines, thanks to the new agreements, the Chinese will in the coming years copy everything they could not copy earlier. Xi Jinping declared with purely Chinese frankness that the results of the visit exceeded his expectations.

Western experts and journalists, too, are sounding the alarm: after all, now that Russia and China have concluded a true strategic alliance, the Kuriles will remain with Russia, and Senkaku will go to China. Moreover, from now on, Beijing and Moscow represent the united and very evil enemy of Washington, who was greatly upset by the anti-Soviet White House. There used to be two relatively small enemies, and after the 22-24 March meeting, one major enemy appeared on the planet, which enabled Forbes journalist Mr. Garner to conclude that the entire Obama administration policy was disastrous. From now on, even the “shale revolution” is not terrible for Russia: after all, it will begin to supply energy to China, but it needs a lot of them. Japan, an American ally, will be ill from the Russian-Chinese meeting (for the time being, however, there is no heard of mass hara-kiri in the government). Finally, the fact that comrades Putin and Xi shook hands testifies to the onset of a new historical era: with the friendship of the PRC and the Russian Federation, world geopolitics will make a sharp turn.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. Deniska999
    Deniska999 27 March 2013 08: 20 New
    +2
    But still, China is aiming at our Far East.
    1. an-sar
      an-sar 27 March 2013 08: 39 New
      12
      Fear Danians bringing gifts !!!!
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 March 2013 08: 58 New
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        Quote: ... r
        The most important documents signed during the visit were agreements on increasing the supply of Russian hydrocarbons to China.


        Well, actually you can not write further ....... The rest will be copied
        1. mihai_md2003
          mihai_md2003 28 March 2013 14: 13 New
          +1
          Carbon hydrocarbons are absolutely safe to supply China they just will not copy))))
      2. kris
        kris 27 March 2013 17: 22 New
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        Finally, the fact that comrades Putin and Xi shook hands testifies to the onset of a new historical era: with the friendship of the PRC and the Russian Federation, world geopolitics will make a sharp turn.

        And where is the thunderous applause turning into a standing ovation?
        The Chinese have one goal - their personal interests.
    2. Masterzserg
      Masterzserg 27 March 2013 08: 50 New
      11
      And what to do ... To notice this at the official level means to remain alone, without any allies at all. And so of course, our allies are the army and navy, others only in the imagination or for a short time.
    3. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx 27 March 2013 08: 59 New
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      Quote: Deniska999
      But still, China is aiming at our Far East.

      I do not argue, but so far it is more profitable for them to trade than to fight. And, it seems to me, Putin understands this very well. N. Starikov has a wonderful thought about the "golden share", which Russia is the holder today. Apparently, Mr. Putin decided it was time to use it ...
      1. 755962
        755962 27 March 2013 20: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Trapper7
        I do not argue, but so far it is more profitable for them to trade than to fight.



        And this is not all ....
        BRICS countries plan to create a bank that will bypass the World Bank and IMF


        The largest emerging markets come together to address underdevelopment and currency volatility by creating an institution that claims to be the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

        The leaders of the so-called BRIC countries - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - during the annual summit, which begins in the southern African city of Durban, intend to approve the creation of a new development bank.


        http://mixednews.ru/archives/33813
    4. Nesvet Nezar
      Nesvet Nezar 27 March 2013 09: 13 New
      40
      Because we look only to the west and do not value what we have. Not many people know their country. Turkey and the Dominican Republic are better known than Novosibirsk. Victims of advertising with flawed education. We are sincerely sure that if yours is a scoundrel and. For 50 years we have been only engaged in the search for the guilty among our own. At this time, others are raising children, developing and waiting in the wings. But China is not a passionary, although it is a world power on a par with Islam and the Atlantic elites. Power in the world always captures youth. China does not give birth. Only Islam is giving birth. So why not be afraid of China, it does not give birth. And the Atlantic elite is drowning in debt. Conclusion: we must either give birth or accept Islam. And with China it is necessary to strengthen cooperation. China is not our enemy. The situation with China is identical to the situation with Germany in the 19th century. If we are convinced that we should kill each other and suspect that world wars will happen again. The common global enemy has not changed for 120 years - the Atlantic economic elites.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 27 March 2013 14: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Nesarya Nesvet
        The common global enemy has not changed for 120 years - the Atlantic economic elites.


        Well, something like this - I support!
      2. ochakow703
        ochakow703 28 March 2013 09: 54 New
        0
        We just need to be friends with China, but keep our ears open at the same time. East is a delicate matter.
    5. Dinver
      Dinver 27 March 2013 09: 44 New
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      China doesn’t aim for anything; you pick up the misinformation propagated by the Western media. It is beneficial for the West that we are not friends, so they are trying to bring discord into the friendly relations between Russia and China, they understand that the union of the two countries is the death of the Western development model.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 27 March 2013 09: 54 New
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        Quote: Dinver
        China doesn’t aim for anything; you pick up the misinformation propagated by the Western media.

        not so much the media as the different trololo who write and comment on scarecrows, like - soon the Chinese will capture us, the Chinese will capture the Far East and Siberia, the Chinese will throw us hats, the Chinese will occupy us moving to Russia for permanent residence, the Chinese in Siberia will be more than the Russians, soon the Chinese will throw out the Russians and heresy and bullshit .. if you post such komenty everywhere, then people will start to believe and are afraid. whoever scares by Chinese expansion, or specifically(by order) it does, either from dementia.
      2. imperiolist
        imperiolist 27 March 2013 13: 41 New
        +5
        More Russians go to China than Chinese to Russia, everything is cheaper there, the variety is huge in everything. If China tomorrow becomes an economic monster and restructures social policy, the Chinese are unlikely to flee to Russia (for example, the Japanese don’t dream of moving to Siberia en masse)
      3. imperiolist
        imperiolist 27 March 2013 13: 57 New
        +5
        The Chinese people and others are sad about us as a raw materials appendage; our country sold cars, planes, etc. 20 years ago. all Asia, REALLY IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO RESTORE IT ALL!? Tired of talking about investments that don’t, what investments and more from our country are stolen even more, we lose trillions every year on the lack of roads! Where is the expected railway from Korea to Europe , was blown away? there is not enough money, and why then does Russian Railways buy up Peugeot shares? What does the author of the article suggest, vigorous avatars or something, because the Chinese are bothering us with loans (and not to us but to all the oil companies, etc.) for the construction of oil pipelines the fact that China will turn into the main oil pump in Russia. We have our own funds that we must invest in our own PRODUCTION and rural households, and we will brag about the amount of oil theft among future generations.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 27 March 2013 14: 56 New
          0
          Quote: imperiolist
          The opinion of the Chinas is sad

          Quote: imperiolist
          we lose trillions in the absence of roads

          Quote: imperiolist
          REALLY SO IT IS DIFFICULT TO RESTORE EVERYTHING

          Quote: imperiolist
          China will turn into the main oil pump


          There is no longer a direct (grown = eaten) economy. Far away on it you will not leave! Himself only shovels and crowbars could do (and they bent). Trade - has proven its high potential since ancient times! (silk road).

          No need to simplify!
          1. imperiolist
            imperiolist 27 March 2013 15: 58 New
            +2
            trade proved that from ancient times, everything that was possible was pumped out and exported from Russia, wood, fur, honey, wax, later coal, etc. Only in the late empire did we establish industrial production and in Soviet times we were no worse than anyone ! Over the past 150 years, we have developed so that now we simply do not have the right to be a raw materials appendage!
        2. ochakow703
          ochakow703 28 March 2013 09: 57 New
          +1
          Once again, I propose to introduce a strict law - "Earned in Russia, save and spend here, but whoever doesn’t like let them go over the hill, they try to earn money there"
      4. Dinver
        Dinver 27 March 2013 14: 01 New
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        I’ll also add, ask any military Chinese what Russian songs he knows and he will be able to name a dozen, and even sing unlike Western warriors, the Chinese were brought up on our culture. All sensible Chinese people understand if there had been no help from the Soviet Union, they would have been the next state prefecture along with South Korea, Japan and other countries. No need to think that they will forget everything in 20 years, this is not the West, which has only one rule: "nothing personal, only business."
        1. Dinver
          Dinver 27 March 2013 15: 31 New
          0
          And at the expense of China at one of the congresses of the CCP, it was announced according to the strategy for the next 30 years that they plan to reduce the population to 550-600 million people. So the fear that the Chinese will overwhelm everything is far-fetched.
          1. stranik72
            stranik72 27 March 2013 20: 59 New
            0
            Dinver
            For 30 years, almost 600 million people, 20 million a year, he’s not afraid himself, what needs to be done with his people, to drop the atomic bomb? The CCP is not the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Gorbachevs are not there yet. And do not fantasize about being brought up in our culture, for 40 years we were the number 1 enemy for them, more or less relations began to improve from the beginning of the 90s, so lovers of Russian songs in the Chinese army have nowhere to come from. Relations with China should be built only on the basis of peaceful and mutually beneficial coexistence, with the constant modernization of our army and thoughtfulness, Asians respect either equal or strong. IHMO,
      5. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 27 March 2013 14: 24 New
        +1
        Friends? Rather, partners. But not more.
      6. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 27 March 2013 14: 27 New
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        Quote: Dinver
        Relations between Russia and China, they understand that the union of the two countries is the death of the Western model of development.

        = Exactly!

        What are we not going to learn? The most obvious lesson: the collapse of the USSR, when we were taken to the fullest, didn’t you teach us anything?

        You have to be very, very thoughtful!
      7. Good Ukraine
        Good Ukraine 27 March 2013 14: 50 New
        +4
        hi
        Quote: Dinver
        It is beneficial for the West that we are not friends, so they are trying to bring discord into the friendly relations between Russia and China, they understand that the union of the two countries is the death of the Western development model.


        Kmtai and Russia - a bone in the throat of the Anglo-Saxons.
        With neighbors you need to live in peace.
    6. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 27 March 2013 11: 09 New
      -7
      it is not regrettable, but in the long run it is quite expected.
      for which, in fact, China throws its US into the arms of Russia with its behavior, but in order to prepare it both technologically and on the eve of World War II. and strategically one of the partners of the current China-Russia alliance towards the future confrontation ... the picture is pretty similar to the one that developed before the Second World War
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 27 March 2013 12: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: DeerIvanovich
        throws the USA with its behavior into the arms of Russia

        the concept of "throws into the arms" can be judged in different ways. Well, first of all, China is not so stupid that it does not understand geopolitics. The United States is not friendly to China if you monitor various small and large news / events / summaries., you want to show that America again deceived everyone and circled around the finger. I have an opinion that the United States understands that things are not in their favor, and they are playing a double / triple game, but we also have strategists who calculate all kinds of options for America’s steps against China and us. Let the KGB advisers sit in the Kremlin, they’re not stupid and they understand everything. Did Kisenger last year or the year before come to Putin why? And most importantly they talked behind closed doors! Well, of course, you can suspect Putin of something like this and why then you can not suspect Kisenger in that he leaked secret information to Putin about Amer’s plans? Kisenger was already many years old, and he could calmly merge what we needed, he had nothing to lose ..
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 27 March 2013 13: 48 New
        +8
        Quote: DeerIvanovich
        for which, in fact, China throws its US behavior into the arms of Russia,


        Strategy is the capture of the future. China has it. He has the pinnacle of military art is the solution of strategic problems without the use of military force. Therefore, the Chinese strategy is the separation of the enemy into the arms of friendship, without the use of force, in peacetime. China so applies to all countries - both to Russia and to the United States.
        The Chinese do not have such a concept as a strategic ally, it is a European concept. Western consciousness divides the world into white and black, and politics is presented as a rally of the party on the great chessboard. The principle of "who is not with us is against us."
        Chinese politics is the card table of history. therefore the Chinese have: ourselves, our enemies and our allies. The status of the enemy is higher than the status of an ally.
        The main enemy is the USA. He has the highest status.
        Now the interaction between China and the United States has passed into the stage of interdependence of enemies who solve problems without using military force, only slightly strangling each other in the arms of friendship.
        Russia and China are neighbors on the flank. The front is facing the Pacific Ocean. In the minds of the Chinese, everything south of it: BAM, Udokan, Chara and their natural wealth from oil and gas to ores and forests, - all this lies within the strategic borders of Chinese interests. China's strategy suggests that these resources should be considered a reliable resource for a XNUMXst century Chinese factory. But in such a way as to avoid a situation in which today Russia wants to supply, and tomorrow does not want.
        China is now experiencing a surge of strength, its main enemy, the US, is the ebb, their struggle is due to the exhaustion of the forces of their allies, friends and neighbors. With the difference that China has no allies, but partners on the paths of endless strategic cunning.
        Russia is being pushed into nano-, information technology, artificial intelligence, but we were late there. But presenting natural creativity, high humanitarian technologies, cognitive tools for recognizing the meanings that are embedded in our language itself, Russia is the time. English is good for analysis. But only Russian is suitable for recognizing the meanings of being.

        Our strategy is to make China its wall in the Far East and Southeast Asia, the Old Slavonic “whale” is the wall. No need to rush into their suffocating hugs, but also repel death in a similar way to please the West.
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 27 March 2013 13: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          Our strategy is to make China its wall in the Far East and Southeast Asia, the Old Slavonic “whale” is the wall. No need to rush into their suffocating hugs, but also repel death in a similar way to please the West.

          so no one is against the wall at the expense of China. I just pointed out that the West uses the same patterns as before.
        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 27 March 2013 15: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          that China has no allies, but partners in the paths of endless strategic cunning.


          And many examples of such a trick?

          And that in 90g what did our lands (us) not seize?
          And what does no one think? Who does not remember the Second World War? But China does not remember what role Russia played in the fate of China?
          1. imperiolist
            imperiolist 27 March 2013 17: 29 New
            0
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            And that in 90g what did our lands (us) not seize?

            the stick breaks off from them to conquer us
            even without nuclear weapons we’ll show such a “kuz'kin mother” to the wall
          2. nakaz
            nakaz 27 March 2013 17: 54 New
            +1
            East is a delicate matter. China perceives us much deeper than we do them. But only one thing can be said - friendship with them will be stronger than with any other country, with the possible exception of Germany.
          3. StolzSS
            StolzSS 28 March 2013 03: 19 New
            +1
            You know, at our marine university, the Chinese studied so that I’m going on a shuttle bus, and they’re so bald in three, they say soon the celestial heaven from pole to pole will be supposedly young they still have time to see it .... Well, everyone is silent and I couldn’t stand it. Like, let me show you the Old Chinatown .... everyone was silent and they stare at me, it’s not known where there is such that they are not in the know ... they went out and showed it with the words when your 30 thousand lived here, and then he came the order of Comrade Stalin’s commissioner for nationalities and no one now knows where their graves are .... dreamers looked very funny just like finches especially given that the wind from the bay blew very cold ... they understood morality without additions that made the happy future captains of the moreman)))
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 27 March 2013 18: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          Russia is being pushed into nano-, information technology, artificial intelligence, but we were late there.

          It is necessary to work to achieve the level of development in the scientific and industrial sphere, without which Russia has no future.
        4. Goga
          Goga 27 March 2013 21: 51 New
          +2
          Ascetic - Greetings Stanislav! I suggest looking back - at our not-so-distant past - When, after World War II, Stalin practically nullified trade with the West, but on the other hand, developed powerful cooperation with China, thousands of Soviet engineers participated in the industrialization of China (based on our technical standards). Then the song "Russian with Chinese brothers forever," appeared. The prospects for such an alliance of two huge continental states were fantastic .... But in our country, the Trotskyist came to power, the forerunner of Gorbachev - the National Assembly and almost the first thing he did in foreign policy (by order of his masters) - this was a quarrel with China. It is not difficult to argue, it is difficult to put up after a quarrel, so I think the current rapprochement of our countries is by no means a new word in world politics, but a gradual revival of the previous course (initiated by IP) - and this is really a terrible dream for Atlantists.
          But we wouldn’t have a new Khrushchev, otherwise I still remember the first one ... recourse
          1. Gari
            Gari 27 March 2013 23: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Gogh
            But we wouldn’t have a new Khrushchev, otherwise I still remember the first one ...

            Agree
    7. askort154
      askort154 27 March 2013 12: 51 New
      0
      Quote ... Deniska999 ..... But still, China is aiming at our Far East.

      The Anglo-Saxons will do everything to play this card. But hope now
      not 19-20 centuries.
    8. beech
      beech 27 March 2013 12: 57 New
      -2
      selling to everyone and all of our hydrocarbons, although our prices for gasoline are cruel, selling the most up-to-date military equipment, which even we either do not have, or in isolated quantities to enemy No. 2 !!!! What is ignorance, shortsightedness or betrayal? Something seems to me that the last
    9. Skuto
      Skuto 27 March 2013 14: 11 New
      +2
      Sorry for the question, but where do you prefer to live:
      In a large spacious house on the shores of the White Sea or on three hundred parts in a one-story hut in Sochi?
      The same is true of the Chinese, for them everything north of Harbin is an analogue of Magadan.
      1. beech
        beech 27 March 2013 15: 08 New
        -1
        Are you talking to me? I didn’t understand the couple ... can I explain it more simply to a dumb one?
        And how else to explain these transactions with China? After all, we know that sooner or later China will be able to copy both the motor and the glider ... Well, if it copies and pushes the banana republics (robbing our markets), and if it turns these weapons against us?
        The same thing with the Chinese, for them all north of Harbin - an analogue of "Magadan." - only there are no resources there ... and there are almost no troops ... nifiga is not populated ... but in China it’s just: there is not enough space, there are a lot of people .We live and they can
        1. Good Ukraine
          Good Ukraine 27 March 2013 16: 34 New
          0
          drinks
          Quote: beech
          but in China, it’s just that


          No. If you look at the demographic map of China, you will see that almost the entire population lives along the Pacific coast and the Yangtze River. They themselves have voids in the country of dofig and more.
          The Americans are well aware that today they will single-handedly both China and the Russian Federation, and if not together. And not only today, but tomorrow.
          Regarding petroleum products, they must be sold. Otherwise, the hungry will come for them and take them away.
          Regarding copying technology. It has always been and will be so. The only difference is that other countries add some kind of nonsense to the product and pass it off as their own invention. And China does not bother with all kinds of nonsense (they only change the trademark and name). And what prevents others from doing this? -Laziness? But the matter is not only in form. The main thing is the quality of both the form and the material from which it is made. Accordingly, the price is different.
          1. imperiolist
            imperiolist 27 March 2013 17: 34 New
            +2
            I agree on the map you can see where the Chinese mainly live
            1. kaprall
              kaprall 27 March 2013 20: 21 New
              +1
              our map is not particularly different however
          2. beech
            beech 28 March 2013 08: 15 New
            -2
            and who said that they will settle civilians in Siberia ... one of their military districts is stronger than the whole of our army .... in Siberia the troops are mute, in Siberia the resources are dead ... I !!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z76DZO9HiIY-вот во что превратили реформы нашу армию!!!
        2. biglow
          biglow 27 March 2013 17: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: beech

          The same thing with the Chinese, for them all north of Harbin - an analogue of "Magadan." - only there are no resources there ... and there are almost no troops ... nifiga is not populated ... but in China it’s just: there is not enough space, there are a lot of people .We live and they can

          In China, only the southern provinces are developing, in the north, China is desolate, and the Chinese are not Mao-era robots, and it will not work for them to just go and live in a cold climate.
          And if you have to fight China, the destruction of several dams on the Yangtze River will end any war. China is not at all a monolith as it seems, they still don’t even have a single language, the northern Chinese do not understand the southern one and communicate only at the written level. Read on the wiki China languages ​​article, learn a lot
        3. Dejavu
          Dejavu 28 March 2013 08: 55 New
          0
          The population density in the same South Korea is an order of magnitude higher than in China. So they have enough living space. By the way, along the Amur there are as many empty lands, and in general arable land, as on our side. Take a look at satellite images of Heihe city on the Amur and it will become easier for you.
          Stop panic here to breed. You see everyone as enemies, just like cowardly Yankees. You can live in peace and prosper on both sides. China and Russia have long proven this. The blood / oil-greedy west can only eat it. We sell gas to them, and they all think, damn it, and if Russia turns the valve, we need a kayuk, we would have to destroy Russia and turn the valve ourselves. Well, this is nonsense, and they live with this, which is what their foreign policy confirms for about 150 years now.
    10. heavytank
      heavytank 27 March 2013 18: 42 New
      0
      Kaitai wise: beat the enemy with your own weapons. the S-400 anti-aircraft gun could not be sold.
    11. Dejavu
      Dejavu 28 March 2013 08: 23 New
      0
      That is all nonsense. I live in Blagoveshchensk (1km through the Amur to the Chinese city) A bunch of friends in China just already live and have dreams in Chinese. There are no signs of a "targeting" in the Russian Far East there. Of course there are alarmists who always say that the dragon will gobble up Amer first. The buffalo, and then the Bear will take, but it's all tales of pink elephants. The Chinese and I have been friendly since the birth of cities in the Far East. And subsequently, too, did not quarrel much except Damansky. We have always been beneficial to each other in terms of trade, and now tourism. So now it’s just a perfect union. It could have been better, but nowhere for Russia in this segment of history. Our East and South are covered by China, we ourselves will protect the West with the South there. And if suddenly a serious war, then the Chinese human resource will be indispensable. Although IMHO for another 40 years, we will only measure our pussy with the West, and then, God forbid, the oil runs out and people will switch to solar energy of multilayer solar panels and you won’t have to fight for resources so fiercely.
  2. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 27 March 2013 08: 27 New
    18
    All the same, peace and friendship with the Chinese are better than a good quarrel with them.
    1. Letun
      Letun 27 March 2013 09: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: lehatormoz
      All the same, peace and friendship with the Chinese are better than a good quarrel with them.

      We have already passed the period "Russian and Chinese - brothers forever!" This ended in an armed conflict, so the news of friendship with a strong neighbor certainly warms the soul, but you do not need to lose vigilance.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 March 2013 09: 32 New
        17
        Quote: Letun
        We have already passed the period "Russian and Chinese - brothers forever!" It ended in an armed conflict

        Well, once again Khrushchev say thank you! He with his speeches about the cult of personality I.V. Stalin and the attempt to give TSU to China and brought to the conflict. But for a long time it would be possible to cooperate and break out "ahead of the rest"
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 27 March 2013 10: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: Egoza
          once again Khrushchev say thank you!


          Stalin kept Mao on a short leash, and Khrushchev gave loans, built factories, in general began to flirt, and here Mao "sensing weakness" (V. Vysotsky) stood up to his full height
      2. ibn117
        ibn117 27 March 2013 16: 00 New
        +2
        Well, it started after Nikita Khrushchev read out a report condemning Stalin’s “personality cult”. and before that, they didn’t look for souls in us, especially since Stalin gave them an atomic bomb.
    2. Alx1miK
      Alx1miK 27 March 2013 09: 32 New
      +6
      Of course. Here you need to either be friends to the blood from the nose, or to fight to the same state. I hope we still choose the first. And the fact that rot will depend on our energy resources is also not bad. Until at least we begin (normally) to develop our prom. production. So everything is fine, no panic :)
  3. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar 27 March 2013 08: 34 New
    +9
    The West has always been afraid of the emergence of a middle state. When there was an option to create a union of Germany and Russia, the whole world worked to ensure that this did not happen. Two wars even destroyed the thought of it .... While the thalasocracy is winning. “We'll see” how the Tellurocrats respond.
  4. Kolya
    Kolya 27 March 2013 08: 55 New
    +7
    The support of the Russian manufacturer of the "finished product" will create a competitor for raw materials for China. The lion's share of value added would remain in Russia. In this scenario, China and I are friends and we will receive significantly more benefits. It all comes down to the oligarchs, who, being ineffective owners, simply sell trillions of resources for billions. “Enhancing cooperation in the field of crude oil trade” is more profitable for oligarchs than for all Russians.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 March 2013 09: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Kohl
      It all comes down to the oligarchs, who, being ineffective owners, simply sell trillions of resources for billions. “Enhancing cooperation in the field of crude oil trade” is more profitable for oligarchs than for all Russians.

      So the time has come to replace the ineffective owners. leave them stolen, oh, sorry, earned, and return the enterprises to state property. And to develop further processing of the extracted resources in order to sell the finished product, not raw materials! If this is done in the near future, then this union will really bring great benefits, without the threat of becoming a raw materials appendage of China!
      I sincerely wish the successful development of cooperation! The USA and Europe nervously smoke on the sidelines! Japan shakes earthquakes from trembling samurai!
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 27 March 2013 10: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        it's time to replace the ineffective owners. leave them stolen, oh, sorry, earned,

        Well, x ........
        Nationalization and in addition shooting with confiscation.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 27 March 2013 19: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          and in addition, the shooting with confiscation.

          What for? For such greedy, nationalization is worse than execution! fellow
          And no reproaches for repression! laughing
    2. Ustas
      Ustas 27 March 2013 09: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Kohl
      “Enhancing cooperation in the field of crude oil trade” is more profitable for oligarchs than for all Russians.

      This is the point. But our government will never admit it. How so! Effective owners. However, the lessons of modern Russian history prove that these so-called "effective owners" only do that they are godlessly robbing the country for the sake of their interests. From here, the understated ruble exchange rate is beneficial for oligarchs, who profit from the sale of raw materials, and not the final product.
      . "Capital has no nationality." Karl Marx

      PS: Who will tell you why the price of American WTI oil has not changed for almost half a year, and Brent brand oil has been jumping all the time? But our oil seems to be tied to calculations for the Brent brand.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 27 March 2013 12: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Ustas
        From here, the understated ruble exchange rate benefits the oligarchs,

        In general, an underestimated ruble exchange rate is also beneficial for national producers. Since the products of our enterprises are therefore cheaper in the domestic market, and therefore more competitive than imported ones. This is the basics! hi
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 27 March 2013 15: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: ATATA
          Since the products of our enterprises are therefore cheaper in the domestic market

          Something I see little of my well, very cheap products in the domestic market. All KBT and electronics are from China. And the salary, although it rose a little, but purchasing power fell many times. Previously, you could buy more goods for the same money than now. And now only through bank loans. And the population of our country is more and more being driven into loans so that it is by no means domestic goods that they buy (they simply do not exist). When this thread is blown away, this bubble is in Europe and the USA. So this is not the basics, but shortsightedness or provocation.
        2. Ustas
          Ustas 2 May 2013 08: 02 New
          0
          Quote: ATATA
          In general, an underestimated ruble exchange rate is also beneficial for national producers. Since the products of our enterprises are therefore cheaper in the domestic market, and therefore more competitive than imported ones. This is the basics!

          The Bank of Russia actually organized a “credit blockade” against Russian enterprises (this topic is extensive, I will not develop it here). But perhaps the most important preference for foreign investors in our economic space is the underestimated exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar and other reserve currencies. And it is underestimated at least twice in relation to the US dollar (if we compare at purchasing power parity). This means that a foreign investor can acquire Russian assets on very favorable terms (in fact, two times cheaper, since he exchanges foreign currency for the rubles necessary for purchase at a preferential, understated rate).
          Source: Valentin Yuryevich Katasonov. Head of the Department of International Currency and Credit Relations, MGIMO
  5. erased
    erased 27 March 2013 08: 56 New
    +7
    We must cooperate with China, it is a fact. But keeping troops ready in the Far East, too, is a double fact.
    And it would be nice to pit China and the United States, bring them to conflict. Well, there is nothing to say about the modernization and buildup of nuclear forces - this is an axiom, moreover, urgent.
    1. Cosmonaut
      Cosmonaut 27 March 2013 09: 18 New
      +1
      This is the best option.
      While the USSR and the USA gnawed at each other, China was eating away, and that’s the result.
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 27 March 2013 10: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: erased
      We must cooperate with China, it is a fact. But to keep troops ready in the Far East, too, is doubly a fact ...

      The number of troops in the BBO, in itself, does not solve anything.
      China will only respect a politically and economically strong power.
      A power pursuing a clearly articulated, consistent policy, including one that promotes the development of the Far Eastern region.
      But to this, it would be nice to apply a powerful BBO repeat
    3. evgenm55
      evgenm55 27 March 2013 10: 46 New
      0
      I support, only now if a conflict between China and the Americans occurs, we will be obliged to support the ally. In any case, everything depends on our strong and flexible policy and the strength of the troops.
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 27 March 2013 14: 03 New
        -1
        Quote: evgenm55
        if there is a conflict between China and the Americans, we will be obliged to support the ally

        And which of them do we have an alliance with?
        We will support both - resources in exchange for a gold coin.
  6. vilenich
    vilenich 27 March 2013 08: 56 New
    13
    Now the most unsuccessful scenario for the USA is the union of the Russian Federation and China, and therefore we need to work in this direction ..
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 27 March 2013 10: 02 New
      +3
      Americans envy that a triple world economy has grown on the Russian border, which will be the first in a few years! We can transport all goods by rail, which is economical. And in the United States we need to deliver cargo by sea and air, which is disadvantageous. Moreover, China in Eurasia It is located where there are more countries with whom it is possible to trade, and in two America (south and north) countries are few and the population is small in comparison with Eurasia and Africa.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 27 March 2013 12: 14 New
        +1
        I agree with you I will add about the Northern Sea Route to Europe.
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 27 March 2013 12: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: djon3volta
        All the goods we can transport by rail, and it’s economical.

        You think so, but in fact shipping is cheaper than railway.
        Therefore, the Northern Sea Route is being developed.
  7. fenix57
    fenix57 27 March 2013 08: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: an-sar
    Fear Danians bringing gifts !!!!

    I overtook ++. It pleases, of course, that for the United States it is a "stick in the wheel", but you do not need to see everything in a "pink light":
    - loans must be given (and with interest!), what are the conditions?
    -export and import: what we sell and what we buy ..
    hi
  8. WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 27 March 2013 08: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: lehatormoz
    economic and strategic plans

    _I approve! and I repeat: "Better is a bad world than a good war!"
  9. Nayhas
    Nayhas 27 March 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    Do not rejoice at the "friendly" hugs of China, they can develop into a choking reception. Does China buy weapons from us? Yes, but only because NOBODY in the world sells weapons to China. Is China ready to invest in the Russian economy? Yes, but the example of Tajikistan shows what subsequently awaits us:
    "... The intensification of economic and humanitarian cooperation between the Chinese and Tajiks could only be welcomed if this process were not accompanied by the creeping" annexation "of the Chinese bordering territory and the republic turning into a raw materials appendage of the Celestial Empire. The saddest thing in this situation is that this process develops rising with the tacit connivance of the Tajik authorities. Meanwhile, the migration invasion and economic expansion of enterprising Chinese people have broken all records over the past few years. Citizens of China have literally flooded Tajikistan ... At first, China began actively investing in Tajikistan in the framework of good neighborliness. Dushanbe received a loan almost $ 1 billion. Only $ 250 million was allocated for the construction of new and modernization of existing roads. At the same time, Chinese companies are building the forces of Chinese workers. Meanwhile, enterprising Chinese are already behaving in Tajikistan in a businesslike manner. other industrial facilities, including Bolshoy Konimansur, which ranks fourth in the world in silver reserves, Zarafshon JV in Penjikent (75% of the shares are owned by the Chinese (Zijin Mining Group Co. Ltd)) and many others. ... Last year, for example, over 1,5 thousand workers of the country's largest Tajik-Chinese gold mining joint venture Zarafshon raised a riot due to the fact that they were forced to work for 450-500 somoni per month, while the Chinese employees get 15, or even 20 times more. The authorities can not do anything about the fact that the Chinese stubbornly do not want to hire Tajik citizens, preferring their fellow citizens. The inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom in the border zone feel especially good. There, to work at various facilities built at the expense of Chinese investment, they attract only their fellow countrymen. ... It is worth mentioning one more problem - demographic. The Chinese are increasingly occupying not only jobs instead of Tajiks who have left for Russia, they are gradually replacing local men. As a result, more and more mixed Tajik-Chinese families are appearing in the country. Moreover, the bulk lives in a civil marriage. Many cases and cohabitation of Tajiks with the Chinese as second and third wives, the number of girls providing intimate services has increased. "
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 March 2013 09: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Nayhas
      , but only because NOBODY in the world is selling weapons to China


      Ours buys, and then exports its fifth place in the list of the largest arms exporters.

      And about the purchase of weapons from other countries -
      The Western arms embargo imposed on China in response to the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre is crumbling. France leads the way. European companies intend to abandon the embargo, and some of them, such as French, generally ignore it. This was made possible thanks to the so-called dual-use technologies used in Western equipment in weapons systems. A recent example is the use of French Arriel 2C engines made under license in China on Chinese Z-9WE combat helicopters. and this is not the only example
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 27 March 2013 09: 16 New
        0
        Yes, there are workarounds where something falls into China, but NOBODY sells tanks, combat aircraft, air defense systems, guided missiles, ships, submarines, etc. openly to China. Let's say India can buy WHAT PLEASANT, the US Congress does not limit the supply of the most modern weapons to India, Europe is fighting for the right to supply them with weapons, China does not even dream of this.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 27 March 2013 10: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Nayhas
          US Congress does not limit supplies of state-of-the-art weapons to India

          are the gods sitting there and deciding for all who can and cannot?
          I’ll tell you what - I don’t need America’s help, with their “freedom” and something else, I don’t need human rights defenders and NGOs of all kinds who all without exception subsidized from the budget of the united states. as a free person I myself choose whose support is more important to me, the Kremlin or the capitol am
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 27 March 2013 10: 49 New
            -1
            This refers to weapons manufactured in the USA, their sale abroad occurs only with the permission of Congress.
    2. bairat
      bairat 27 March 2013 09: 32 New
      +1
      +
      After visiting the Russian Federation, the Chinese leader flew to Tanzania, his de facto African colony. I do not like this parallel at all.
      Pictured is a Chinese businessman in Africa.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 09: 35 New
        10
        Quote: bairat
        After visiting the Russian Federation, the Chinese leader flew to Tanzania, his de facto African colony. I do not like this parallel at all.

        And where did he need to fly to the USA? China also has its own interests in the world. Like ours.
    3. evgenm55
      evgenm55 27 March 2013 10: 52 New
      -6
      So I say, it all depends on the policies of our rulers, and they, as life shows, have nothing in their head except the dough. They are the motherland and the people -fuck ... p ...
  10. bap063
    bap063 27 March 2013 09: 01 New
    +6
    well done Putin! He didn’t come to him, this time?
    Now it’s probably right now, it’s a very difficult time, and China also understands this, and then we'll see?
    At the moment, both leaders did the right thing, because at the moment it was different and it was impossible to continue alone?
    Let them see? and the correspondent correctly saw that the dragon and the bear were united, let them be afraid! And then they are completely insolent? But Si is generally well done, because he understands that when purchasing energy from Saudi Arabia and Qatar (in the future, they could dictate the conditions, since the Arab spring and everything that happens there is funded by the United States), he took an alternative step, watching in the future.)
    Now let them think? otherwise you haven’t listened to anyone lately?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 March 2013 09: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: bap063
      well done Putin!


      He has gas, this time, and the gas pipeline is two, but the fact that Arabs are not being transported to China is a fact, they do not sell hydrocarbons at a cheap price to their own detriment, which is why their countries are occupying the United States

      Think why?

      Gazprom concludes long-term contracts with its partners in Europe, the prices of which are fixed and, as a rule, do not change as flexibly as the market prices. Because of this, the cost of gas under long-term contracts is very different from the market price of gas.
      Earlier, a number of Gazprom partners asked the Russian company to give them a discount on gas. In the summer of 2011 it was reported that the Italian Edison received such a discount. Later, successes in the revision of contracts with Gazprom were made by German Wingas, French GDF Suez, Italian Sinergie Italiane, Slovak SPP and Austrian Econgas.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 March 2013 09: 37 New
        +1
        Valery Vasilyevich what's wrong?
    2. Gari
      Gari 28 March 2013 00: 08 New
      0
      Quote: bap063
      well done Putin! He didn’t come to him, this time?

      As regards the Western assessment of Xi Jinping’s visit to Moscow, it is remarkably illustrated by an article by Stephen Garner published the other day in Forbes magazine. The journalist is sounding the alarm that the Chinese and Russians have not only put together a successful anti-American alliance, but also started to strengthen it. One would think that the correspondent writes with humor, but no: he is tormented by real fear. He is afraid for his native United States. For the little eagle, on which, having stared, the Bear and the Dragon are looking.

      Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping shook hands in the Grand Kremlin Palace. Many people in the State Department, the White House and the Pentagon, the journalist continues in a tragic tone, wriggled in their chairs this weekend, and those responsible for US Asian policy (especially China policy) did nothing but listen and read the reports. about the meeting comrades Putin and Xi.
      The meeting between the leaders of China and Russia is not a big failure, it’s just a disaster for US interests, Garner writes. What is happening now testifies to the stupidity of the Obama-Clinton-Panetta trio with their "turn towards Asia." This demonstrates the complete political inability of the Obama administration to create constructive relations with China.
      The American exactly cuts the tablet: the days from 22 to 24 in March 2013 of the year related to the official state visit of Xi Jinping, more precisely, with his first foreign visit after accepting the highest state post, unfortunately, gave a historical beginning to a new anti-American geopolitical alliance in East Asia.
  11. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 27 March 2013 09: 01 New
    +2
    Comrade Dude! Thank you for analyzing this momentous event ...
    Yes, while the PRC is moving uphill (the world economic Olympus), this country is certainly interested in the cooperation that provides this movement (economic, political, military, scientific, etc.). Time lag on achieving China's leading position in the global economy, I repeat, about 3 - 5 years. In addition, there may be another 1-2 years "to settle in a new quality" ... The Chinese from the time of Deng Xiao Ping are pragmatists. And this healthy pragmatism as a result will lead them to a change in the foreign policy (even if only to solve internal problems to resolve the problem of overpopulation, territorial and a number of others) We will see, we will see ...
    Obtaining a new status of the PRC will certainly change the format of China’s participation in the SCO and BRICS ... Life is becoming more interesting. The main thing is not to be more dangerous ...
  12. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 09: 02 New
    +5
    The meeting between the leaders of China and Russia is not so much a failure, it is simply a disaster for the interests of the United States, Garner writes.
    When in the world someone agrees with someone about something, in the United States everyone's mood drops. Garner is also critical of Obama, but he is the same down as Obama with Clinton and Panetta. Mr. Garner is on the same path.
  13. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 27 March 2013 09: 03 New
    +8
    Honestly, I was already tired of these conversations about the "raw materials appendage" ...
    In the end, the more wealthy we trade. Here is Norway - an oil exporter and produces nothing except oil. Well here is the salmon yet. Why doesn’t anyone call her a “raw materials appendage”?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 March 2013 09: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Trapper7
      Here is Norway - an oil exporter and produces nothing except oil.

      a major producer of hydropower. About a third of this energy goes to the production of metals, chemical and petrochemical products, paper and cardboard. The Norwegian processing industry has the largest share in exports. The almost exclusive use of hydropower makes it more economical and environmentally friendly than in most other countries.
      Europe's largest producer of dairy products, About 90% of the pulp and paper that is produced in the country is exported. Norsk Hydro is a leading European supplier of nitric acid and complex fertilizers, urea and nitrate. technical products such as paints, glues, detergents and fine chemicals make up another sector of the Norwegian chemical industry.
      To date, Norway is in sixth place in the list of weapons producing countries. 210 enterprises operate in the defense industry
      1. Trapperxnumx
        Trapperxnumx 27 March 2013 10: 22 New
        +7
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: Trapper7
        Here is Norway - an oil exporter and produces nothing except oil.

        a major producer of hydropower. About a third of this energy goes to the production of metals, chemical and petrochemical products, paper and cardboard. The Norwegian processing industry has the largest share in exports. The almost exclusive use of hydropower makes it more economical and environmentally friendly than in most other countries.
        Europe's largest producer of dairy products, About 90% of the pulp and paper that is produced in the country is exported. Norsk Hydro is a leading European supplier of nitric acid and complex fertilizers, urea and nitrate. technical products such as paints, glues, detergents and fine chemicals make up another sector of the Norwegian chemical industry.
        To date, Norway is in sixth place in the list of weapons producing countries. 210 enterprises operate in the defense industry

        But is all this not applicable to us? I myself work in a factory that has nothing to do with oil, gas and other minerals, and we drive some of the products for export. And there are hundreds and hundreds of such plants. Just this "raw materials appendage" - it has already become a stamp. One more thesis about our inferiority, to emphasize, is that the Russians cannot do anything. This is a shame.
        1. Sharingan
          Sharingan 27 March 2013 11: 18 New
          -4
          Quote: Trapper7
          Just this "raw materials appendage" - it has already become a stamp.


          This is not a stamp, but reality: 70% of exports are mineral products, i.e. oil, gas and other natural resources.

          http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b12_11/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d2/26-08.htm
          http://www.himtrade.ru/info/inf_tnved_27.htm
          1. Sharingan
            Sharingan 27 March 2013 12: 58 New
            -1
            Who is the smartest one? Did you watch the links at all? Put the Rosstat minus, not me.
    2. Defender
      Defender 27 March 2013 14: 15 New
      +1
      It's just that everyone got used to faulting their Mom ... recourse
  14. nemec55
    nemec55 27 March 2013 09: 04 New
    +7
    Everything seems to be good; everything seems to be fine, it is necessary to sell as long as there is something and to whom, all the more if it is our (so far) ally. But how much we do not sell In my area of ​​the Omsk Region, the fuck is not better for the last 20 years, there are no roads, gas no, there is no work, schools barely breathe, the gymnasiums and clubs as closed after the Lame Horse and meet. But God forbid coal like gold, you can think of it under your own power from the kuzbass, grabbing wood, you want to build and shed a tear.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 27 March 2013 09: 08 New
      0
      Do you know that China is building canals to divert water from the Irtysh, and that a small stream will flow to Omsk soon? The Kazakhs are wildly outraged and are trying to negotiate with China on limiting the amount of water withdrawn from the Irtysh, but Russia is not participating in these negotiations ...
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 27 March 2013 09: 18 New
        +4
        Very much in the know. Therefore, we are building a dam, well, still, sleep in the river and drink less, you can still not wash the Siberians anyway.
  15. Forest
    Forest 27 March 2013 09: 05 New
    +3
    Now we need to expect provocations from the US government in order to worsen Russian-Chinese relations - as always.
  16. andrejwz
    andrejwz 27 March 2013 09: 13 New
    +2
    Then Garner completely grabs his head. After all, Chinese and Russian officials signed 30 agreements on cooperation in the field of energy, trade, technology and military exchange. All these are agreements not only strategically important, but indispensable for both countries.
    и
    However, Russian analysts and observers fear .... The homeland is about to turn into a raw materials appendage of not the West, but China, Chinese investments will be small, and there will be loans with interest, which the authorities in the Kremlin are always happy for some reason. As for airplanes and engines, thanks to new agreements, the Chinese will copy everything in the coming years
    Well, firstly: there is no reckless love in relations between states, and it should not be, but
    secondly: two different comments, but one thing unites them: both in the West and some "patriots" in Russia, well, really do not want the two countries to come together in view of the threat from their side to build a shabby world according to the Washington scenario. Rather, not an enumeration of possible threats of reckless rapprochement, but an enumeration of horror stories that have snapped up.
  17. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 27 March 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    In all my life I have never taken a loan at all, because I know that I’ll have to double
    And so you need to think 1000 times before taking it!
  18. lemal
    lemal 27 March 2013 09: 22 New
    -3
    An-ju-jian !!!
  19. Zhzhuk
    Zhzhuk 27 March 2013 09: 24 New
    0
    Quote: erased
    And it would be nice to pit China and the United States, bring them to conflict. .

    England pitted Germany and the USSR as two possible allies at that time the most powerful powers in Eurasia, the revolution of 17 years, the English specialists also tried very well.
    So I wouldn’t be worried about countering China and the United States, but worrying about counting on China and Russia not being pitted, in my opinion this is the most chic option for the United States.
    Another scenario in my opinion is to pit the United States and Russia, then China will become the dominant in the world, and rumored in China to be a very powerful British lobby.
    And the fact that American journalists are blowing it all for a reason, like a tantrum, which means that someone needs a question, just want to achieve this tantrum?
  20. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 27 March 2013 09: 35 New
    +2
    The Kuril Islands will remain with Russia, and Senkaku will go to China.

    Strange, but that someone is trying to take the Kuril Islands? Is Japan strong enough and smart?

    Moreover, from then on, Beijing and Moscow represent Washington's single and very evil enemy ...


    We are officially declared enemies ... Moreover, evil-prickly ... Since when?

    ... great upset by the anti-Soviet White House. Previously, there were two relatively small enemies, and after the meeting on March 22-24, one major enemy appeared on the planet, which allowed Forbes journalist Mr. Garner to conclude that the entire policy of the Obama administration was a failure ...


    In my opinion, over the past 20 years, the Americans have made so many enemies that it’s hard to imagine ...
    1. SHOGUN
      SHOGUN 27 March 2013 11: 31 New
      0
      And we have enough strength and mind, well, at least twitch a little Especially the fleet. BUT! 90% of the Japanese are satisfied with this state of affairs - Russia has islands, and the yakuza and hotheads, together with the government, celebrate the day of the northern territories. I think that war is not possible in principle. No one in Japan wants an armed conflict, neither with Russia nor with China. The Japanese remember well how it ended for her, her military ambitions in the past.
    2. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 27 March 2013 12: 02 New
      0
      In Japan, for a minute, it’s 120 million, so don’t think that we’ll just throw our caps over it. There is nothing more dangerous than underestimating the enemy.
  21. fenix57
    fenix57 27 March 2013 09: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: pav-pon1972
    We are officially declared enemies ... Moreover, evil-prickly ... Since when?

    From the very beginning of the Cold War, before that we were allies in the "anti-Hitler coalition" hi
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 March 2013 09: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      From the very beginning of the Cold War, before that we were allies in the "anti-Hitler coalition"


      In 1946, at the parade in London there were all "fighters against Hitler" Malays, Indians, Australians, Yankees, Egyptians, but they didn’t remember about us, just like they didn’t .......
  22. JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 March 2013 09: 59 New
    +2
    The main thing for us is to prevent the emergence of high-quality air defense and air forces in China. No C-400 !!!!!! From Air, China can be kept in check. The center was not in vain shown, let Xi know that if he gets involved in adventures, let’s say. The act of intimidation, so to speak!
    Well, and so it is logical - big changes are ahead. In which case, China will provide us with human-meat. Yes, and from the east will cover.
    No need to panic, strategic partnership does not mean the beginning of Chinese expansion in the Russian Federation.
    1. Batkamahno
      Batkamahno 27 March 2013 10: 38 New
      +2
      Absolutely agree. Unfortunately, we can’t hold on to the air in China. That number of air defense (even the most modern that we have on the border) is not enough corny. shells will end))))) We have friendship with China on the realization that fighting with each other is pointless, but it is possible to escape from other enemies. China covers on the belly from the east And we hold a nuclear umbrella over the dragon's bald head
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 27 March 2013 13: 37 New
        0
        Yes, not .... they haven’t gotten a lot of planes yet, but it’s not for long
  23. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 27 March 2013 10: 04 New
    +2
    I am amazed at how many are almost panicky afraid of the development of China, well, is it really that China is not right when the suckers give him something almost for nothing. The Chinese have always respected the smart, wise and strong. So who does not let Russia become smart, wise and strong. After all, all of the above does not require huge material costs.
    1. Batkamahno
      Batkamahno 27 March 2013 10: 31 New
      0
      This is just the opposite. You won’t be strong without money (the defense budget will not allow) And without a good Army, few will listen to Russia (finances as well) And if no one respects you, then no one will talk about a smart ruler. So a smart, strong and wise country without grandmas in any way))) Therefore, we must look for them everywhere, which is what all countries actually do. (not without reason all the US wars for deposits and control of funds)
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 27 March 2013 11: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: BatkaMahno
        smart, strong and wise country without grandmas

        "Grandmas" is just a paper discussing the interests of the existing world economy. Now imagine this paper has disappeared, the natural economy has remained (though this is from the realm of fiction, for Marx also said money is a universal medium of exchange), or the economy just changed and the green currency came in place of the green one, serving another hypothetical economy. The rich cry too. WITH)
        So here are the criteria: smart, wise, and strong country. Because the smart and wise will always find a way out of any situation and use it (the situation) to their advantage, and strength will only consolidate the result.
  24. vorobey
    vorobey 27 March 2013 10: 11 New
    +5
    Quote.

    Western experts and journalists are also sounding the alarm: after all, now that Russia and China have entered into a real strategic alliance, the Kuril Islands will remain with Russia, and Senkaku will go to China

    and what a dog business to western experts before our Kuril Islands.

    A bad ally is better than none.
  25. zao74
    zao74 27 March 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    I hope Russia will not miss its interest. And scare amers and with the Sinists trade.
  26. Bigriver
    Bigriver 27 March 2013 10: 23 New
    +1
    .... American diplomacy over the past four years has not been able to effectively motivate China, so that he outlined course consistent with US interests.

    Well, yes, yes ... We are the navel of the whole earth, and everyone should coordinate their courses with us.
    And these pri.durks still do not understand why everything is falling in them, and there are more and more hating states around:
  27. brelok
    brelok 27 March 2013 10: 32 New
    -2
    And did we ever have allies? SO FANS ...
    1. Batkamahno
      Batkamahno 27 March 2013 10: 40 New
      0
      Army, and after Peter And the Navy)))
  28. Natalia
    Natalia 27 March 2013 11: 05 New
    +6
    Russia and China are an unambiguous ALLIANCE.
    Now we need China, and we need China.
    Geopolitical is an advantage over our competitors, it was correctly argued that now in resolving the conflict over the disputed islands with Japan, China is now not alone. I didn’t see the Japanese smoked, it’s clear that we ourselves wouldn’t give them away, but psychological it will be much harder to fight US in the international arena.
    Economic is an advantage over our competitors, because by joint efforts it is possible to carry out operations during which we do not need the dollar (and this is a blow to the US economy), to make calculations only in RMB or rubles ...... and in light of recent events, Cyprus is very relevant ......
    ....... why don’t you talk about Cyprus, whoever they were robbed of, but Boroz and others like him did not give a damn about RUSSIA as such, and then at the oligarchs and state corporations. And do not have any illusions about the fact that the EU decided to just punish the moneybags for the sake of justice ..... no, the EU just decided today that you can wipe your feet about us, and even present it so that we would say thanks to them ..... and here some said ....... (I was distracted, move on).
    Now it’s important to understand that with China, in the short term (15–25 years) there should be strategic ALLIES, until the US world order collapses.
    And if we still manage to make friends with China, then the US will soon tire of swallowing dust
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 27 March 2013 11: 13 New
      +1
      The alliance between Russia and China will allow, first of all, to change the market conditions.
      Shale gas is primarily a stone in the garden of the Russian economy (moreover, an imaginary stone).
      Cooperation with China in the energy sector will radically de-qualify our energy industry, its vector. And in these conditions psychological it will be hard to lobby for a topic such as: there will soon be oil shale, no one will buy its gas from Russia.
      And for investors, psychology is sacred.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 27 March 2013 11: 51 New
        +4
        I'm not saying that WE and China will be eternal friends, but we need to be friends until we help bury the economies of our strategic "friends" (USA, EU). It is necessary to take advantage of our common borders, and the fact that we have warm feelings for state models of the communist type.

        You may not be a partner
        But a friend must
        Enemies finance sink
        You are bound by an obligation.

        Natalia Loginova said in 2013
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 27 March 2013 12: 15 New
          +1
          China pursues only its interests. China is not profitable for the collapse of the US and the EU. Where will it push its consumer goods? And from Russia it needs only advanced technologies and energy resources for now. But this is only for now. On Chinese maps, in textbooks, the whole Far the east is designated as the Chinese territory.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 27 March 2013 12: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Conepatus
            The collapse of the USA and the EU is not beneficial for China.

            Even as profitable, the Yuan world currency is much better than pushing the whole life of consumer goods. And then you can push the consumer goods into ruined economies .... for that he is also consumer goods.

            Quote: Conepatus
            China pursues only its interests.

            Great .... we too.
            Quote: Conepatus
            On Chinese maps, in textbooks, the entire Far East is designated as the Chinese territory.

            We also want the revival of the Russian Empire ...... what a sin to conceal. lol
            But again, we need China, and we China.
            The United States would be profitably beneficial if we did not go with China along the path of political and economic cooperation.
            Enemy of my enemy, my friend.
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus 27 March 2013 13: 58 New
              0
              The funniest thing is that the Chinese also think so; the only question is who will outwit whom
  29. Forget
    Forget 27 March 2013 11: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Vadivak
    The rest will be copied

    they won’t be able to ... Americans also thought that they could produce the NK lunar engine themselves, but they couldn’t .. Material recipes are unlikely to be given to them, but please copy ... just don’t fly long after that Chinese planes .... The same, natural sciences are accessible to the whole world, but only few countries can use this knowledge and put it into practice.
  30. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 27 March 2013 12: 46 New
    -6
    The biggest problem in Russia is China. They are building up economic and military potential by legal and illegal methods. Every year they need more and more resources, there are resources and they are in ranks, a little to the north. and they will take them over time, and don’t expect to buy them. View statistics on the demographic situation in the Far East. China has a planned, unspoken policy of saturating the Far East with the Chinese population. Guess for yourself what will happen next.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 27 March 2013 12: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Vovka Levka
      The biggest problem in Russia is China ....
      China has a planned, unspoken policy of saturating the Far East with the Chinese population. Guess for yourself what will happen next.

      The biggest problem in Russia is the fools who are not really engaged in anything, and playing "camomile".
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 27 March 2013 15: 43 New
        -1
        No ur patriots.
  31. Nitup
    Nitup 27 March 2013 12: 58 New
    +3
    In general, one must understand that Russia is gradually becoming an important source of resources for China. Current geopolitical development is likely to lead to the fact that China will experience a significant shortage of resources from other sources. Of course, for us this is certainly a very offensive prospect, but on the other hand, if we have come to terms with the fact that we are a raw materials appendage of the West, then, as they say, we’ll get used to it already. ”

    I would like to say that we will be a raw materials appendage of anyone until the policy of the Central Bank of Russia changes, which is now strangling our economy at a rate of 8,25% and financing the economies of the United States, European Union and Great Britain. And you can change it only by changing the constitution and laws. On the site nationalzakon.rf you can leave a signature for this law.
    1. Masterzserg
      Masterzserg 27 March 2013 13: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Nitup
      On the site nationalzakon.rf you can leave a signature for this law.
      Already set for a long time. Does this somehow affect the course of history?
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 27 March 2013 14: 13 New
        +1
        Of course, I do not think that these signatures will directly affect the adoption of this law, but this at least may become an occasion for a broader discussion of this issue. I think this is precisely the goal that the organizers of the collection of signatures set.
      2. Defender
        Defender 27 March 2013 14: 28 New
        +1
        Want to change the world? - Begin with yourself ...
      3. Natalia
        Natalia 27 March 2013 17: 32 New
        +1
        I apologize that, firstly, it’s not the topic, and secondly, that I’m interfering in YOUR conversation, but nevertheless it’s funny to watch how two “Putin” communicate with each other about the adoption of the bill lol ))) But I do not want you at all, God forbid, to make fun of someone, it just turned out interesting))))
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 27 March 2013 19: 58 New
          +2
          Yes, it's funny laughing
  32. No_more
    No_more 27 March 2013 14: 12 New
    0
    Friendship with China is good for everyone, besides the fact that Russia has a lot of resources, and China has a lot of Chinese people who will come in handy.
    1. Defender
      Defender 27 March 2013 14: 53 New
      0
      We should also baptize them, but first we must enlighten our men! That would be the case for all time!
  33. kaprall
    kaprall 27 March 2013 14: 24 New
    0
    It's simple, China needs raw materials to maintain its own economy, hence the visit to Russia and Africa, on arms issues, China is still at a lower level, but all this will change in the next 5-7 years (judging by the pace over the past 10 years). Therefore, you should not count on friendship and peace in the not too distant future. But about universal military training would be worth thinking about.
    By the way, it would be worth taking the best from the preparations of the countries of the world, including NATO.
    Banging with your heel in the chest that we have all the best is a sign of infantilism. China is an example for today in the field of breeding and preferences.
  34. smprofi
    smprofi 27 March 2013 14: 38 New
    +3
    the article says:
    We are talking about the purchase by China of heavy 117C engines, S-400 anti-aircraft installations, an IL-76 transport aircraft and an Il-78 refueling aircraft.


    The Air Force claims (here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21930280 with reference to the Chinese source People's Daily, known to us as "People's Daily")
    The two countries were expected to co-operate further in developing military technology - including for S-400 long-range anti-aircraft missiles, 117S large thrust engines, IL-476 large transport aircraft and IL-78 aerial tankers.


    those. the hunhuz are not going to buy, but to gain access to technology. Well, and who needs it? I see no reason for joy.

    and further. "our smaller brothers" (maybe someone still thinks so) have grown up: 2 frigates (one of them URO of project 054 Huangshan) with a support ship (all this has the name Navy Task Force) arrived on a friendly visit .. . to Malta







    so that the appetites of the Hunghuz are no longer limited to the nearest seas
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 27 March 2013 16: 39 New
      +3
      again, the article says:

      The most important documents signed during the visit were agreements on increasing the supply of Russian hydrocarbons to China and the construction of pipeline branches in the southern direction. In addition, an intergovernmental agreement was signed to expand cooperation in the field of crude oil trade and an agreement on cooperation in the construction and operation of the Tianjin Oil Refinery and Petrochemical Plant.


      well ... the hunghuz reduce the price of domestic gas for cars for 310 yuan (49.43 US dollars) and for diesel fuel 300 yuan (47.85 US dollars) for ... 1 (ONE) ton!

      also a reason for joy?
      But how much diesel fuel costs in Russia today?
  35. fenix57
    fenix57 27 March 2013 14: 58 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    So who does not let Russia become smart, wise and strong.

    On the next branch, we are talking about those who do not allow Russia to become the state that was respected, the USSR. hi
  36. kamakim
    kamakim 27 March 2013 15: 03 New
    -1
    soon, apparently, the Chinese are going to dictate their terms of geopolitics ...
  37. gavko
    gavko 27 March 2013 15: 35 New
    -1
    The Chinese are PSEU allies. Russia has only 2 allies: the army and navy.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 27 March 2013 15: 48 New
      +3
      Do you even understand what you write? well, let's make everyone in the world enemies and that will help in this case the army and navy, allies are needed always and everywhere, there is only one condition: they should not be stronger, otherwise they will simply dictate how you live.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 27 March 2013 16: 42 New
        0
        Quote: vladsolo56
        allies are needed always and everywhere

        here you are right.

        Quote: vladsolo56
        they should not be stronger

        but with the Khunkhuzes, the train left. "little brothers" grew out of short pants and can already dictate their terms.
        almost everyone.
  38. silver_roman
    silver_roman 27 March 2013 16: 45 New
    +1
    The Chinese have very diligently and for a long time studied and continue to study the history of the USSR, on the likeness of which the modern political system of China is built, naturally modernizing the directions in which the USSR stumbled at one time. For example, it’s not a secret that one of the main blows to the Union’s economy was a sharp decline in oil prices from Saudi Arabia. and the UAE, as a result of which the USSR was forced to also lower prices in order to maintain demand for its oil. as a result, the treasury didn’t receive huge amounts, which greatly undermined the already difficult economic situation in the Soviet Union.

    The main purpose of Xi Jinping’s visit was to expand Chinese purchases of Russian hydrocarbons. Today, Russia provides 6% of oil supplies to China. Mostly China purchases it in Saudi Arabia.


    Apparently, China took this into account. And given that the export of Russian hydrocarbon to China is only 6%, the guys just decided to slightly diversify the market and avoid serious risks. and given that syshya are very actively trying to confront Chinese growth, all these measures seem quite timely, wise and far-sighted. China is used to making plans until 2050.
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 27 March 2013 17: 37 New
      0
      According to the customs statistics of China, oil imports to the country in January 2013 increased by 7,4% in annual terms to 5,92 million barrels. per day or 25,15 million tons, which is also 6,3% higher than oil imports in December 2012. The main suppliers were Saudi Arabia (+ 15,7% compared to January 2012), Angola (+ 31,1% ), Iraq (+ 74,4%), Russia (-12,6%).


      According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), in February, China significantly increased imports of Iranian oil after a 10-month reduction in its volume. During this period, he imported about 2 million tons of crude oil, which is equivalent to importing 521 barrels per day.

      Compared to January of this year, the volume of imports of Iranian oil grew by 68%.

      According to IEA forecasts, in March the volume of Iranian crude oil exports will exceed 1,4 million barrels per day. In February, this figure averaged 1,28 million barrels per day.
  39. Apollo
    Apollo 27 March 2013 17: 25 New
    +3
    Everything about China is short.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 27 March 2013 19: 23 New
      +4
      Hi Apollo hi The figures are certainly impressive, but at the same time, China sounds like a diagnosis. Everything is too ambiguous there request
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 27 March 2013 20: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        The figures are certainly impressive, but at the same time, China sounds like a diagnosis. Everything is too ambiguous there



        Good evening Ruslan hi drinks

        some more statistics and infa for consideration

        By 2017, China's economy will be the largest in the world. According to a forecast published today by PricewaterhouseCoopers, an international audit and consulting company, China will overtake the United States in economic development by this time. and come out on top in the world, ITAR-TASS reports.

        By 2017, the gross domestic product of China, if calculated on the basis of purchasing power parity, will reach almost 20 trillion dollars and exceed the corresponding figure for the United States, experts say.

        The report also notes that by the 2030 year, China (30,6 trillion), the USA (23,4 trillion) and India (13,7 trillion dollars) will become the leaders in the economic plan on the basis of such a calculation methodology. Japan, now in third place, will drop to fourth place - 5,8 trillion dollars.

        In this decade, China's economic growth rate will reach seven percent per year.
        ......................................
        As for such key export markets as Europe and the USA, there, according to experts, Chinese exporters will actively compete in product quality, not price.

        http://www.rg.ru/2013/02/10/kitai-anons.html

        Where the economy is next door and politics. I leave the conclusions for you.
  40. Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy 27 March 2013 20: 12 New
    0
    I would like to stir up the “terrorist klopovnik” in the Arab League, in order for the EU and the USA to cause “raw material breakdown”, and then you look and mutual understanding with them will improve.
    1. kaprall
      kaprall 27 March 2013 20: 27 New
      +1
      So this is ordinary blackmail and who will respect you for this? They won’t be afraid, why get involved .... Bad idea.
  41. Lee
    Lee 27 March 2013 20: 25 New
    -1
    We are talking about the purchase by China of heavy engines 117C ...

    ??
  42. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar 27 March 2013 20: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: imperiolist
    REALLY SO IT IS DIFFICULT TO RESTORE EVERYTHING!

    Restore is expensive and not why. What to restore? Kinap (cinema equipment) factory in Samara? This plant produced gas masks for the entire USSR. We must not restore and develop those industries that we have ahead of the rest. Helicopter, aircraft, weapons, nuclear power and small aircraft. These are industries in which we have not lagged behind and are still ahead of us. They must be invested in. The rest of consumer goods or sell as AvtoVAZ or buy. And I think that the main emphasis is now set correctly. For 70 years we have lived without our Russian capitalist elite. And communist China proves that private property is needed. That not all industries need competition. So you need to study the processes to understand them and implement them ...
  43. studentmati
    studentmati 27 March 2013 23: 36 New
    +1
    Strategically, good news! good Alliance with a close neighbor is more correct than with an overseas one. For the meeting of politicians who will be able to change the world! drinks
  44. KABAN009
    KABAN009 28 March 2013 00: 10 New
    0
    and gasoline 30 rubles a liter ... where are we going ... where are we going ...
  45. dobry-ork
    dobry-ork 28 March 2013 01: 40 New
    -2
    Yes, yes ... I remember, before the war, Herr Hitler and comrade Stalin also became friends ...
  46. connect30
    connect30 28 March 2013 01: 47 New
    0
    In history it was already - "Russian and Chinese brothers forever." The brotherhood ended about. Damansky and so on.
  47. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 28 March 2013 05: 54 New
    0
    The union of Russia and China is this powerful political and economic force in the world. As well as a new center of attraction. While the EU and their US boss are slipping into the Second Great Depression with their dollars and euros, the campaign went crazy with the legalization of same-sex marriage and the looting of bank accounts. The BRIC countries and, above all, the locomotives of this organization, Russia and China, are creating the IMF-2 in the world, which will not be tied to the green cut paper of the Fed, but to the Chinese yuan and the Russian ruble supported by the world's largest gold reserves. And it’s not difficult to guess that countries will reach the BRIC bank with outstretched hands, opening their markets to Russia, China and so on. And these are solid nails in the coffin of the USA and the EU.
  48. andrey777
    andrey777 28 March 2013 10: 52 New
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    Quote: kris
    And where is the thunderous applause turning into a standing ovation?
    The Chinese have one goal - their personal interests.

    The main goal is to put the United States in place, and this was demonstrated by China during a trip to Russia. As they say, wait and see.
  49. terry
    terry 28 March 2013 12: 54 New
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    no matter how sad it sounds, but China has grabbed the “banner of the USSR” and becomes power No. 2. US analysts sense the threat.

    The face of China is directed to the Asia-Pacific region, at least there is warmth and people of the same complexion. But there is the United States and Japan. The Chinese have a great historical hatred of the Japanese even without "adding fuel to the fire." And the USA covering Taiwan does not look like friends.

    China needs a reliable rear and it can only be Russia. If this rear will also supply reliable raw materials and equipment for China's military industry, this will be a serious victory for Chinese strategic thought.

    But, the main question is in us - we drank, walked and sold our ideology and principles, which for the Chinese remain significant. This is a big disappointment for China. Are we really good and reliable neighbors.
  50. radio operator
    radio operator 28 March 2013 13: 14 New
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    The deterioration in relations between Economist magazine analysts is associated with China’s ambitions in the arms market. Beijing is dissatisfied with the supply of Russian weapons to Vietnam and India, and in the meantime, it is becoming an active player in the arms market, competing with Russia.

    Well, this is not a cause for disagreement. Competition should be there and the strongest will win. Nothing personal.