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Dagestan torpedoes got involved

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TFR investigates fraud within the framework of the defense order at the enterprise "Dagdizel"


The Investigation Committee of Russia (TFR) is investigating a criminal case of attempted large-scale fraud as part of the execution of a state contract for the production of torpedoes at OJSC “Plant Dagdiesel”. Instead of new torpedoes, for which the Defense Ministry paid an advance of 2,7 billion rubles, the company tried to manufacture products from used components, and used unused funds as a commercial loan. After the intervention of the Main Military Prosecutor’s Office (PRT), the contract was terminated, the money was returned to the military, and Dagdizel was ordered by the court to pay a large fine to the customer.

The investigation department of the TFR in Dagestan initiated a criminal case under Art. 30 and h. 4 Art. 159 of the Criminal Code (attempted fraud on a large scale, committed by an organized group). It was based on the materials of the military prosecutor’s office, which, within the framework of the execution of the instructions of the Russian president, verified the fulfillment of the defense order for the production and supply of torpedoes for the needs of the Navy in Dagdizel Plant, located in the Caspian city of Dagestan. Since, as civil investigators considered, the servicemen were involved in the frauds, the case was transferred to the military investigation department of the TFR in the Southern Federal District.

In April, the NNNXX / 2011 / 3 / 1 / GGK-6-DGOZ state contract for the supply of universal self-guided electric torpedoes USET-0215 was concluded between OAO Plant Dagdiesel and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

USET-80 was developed at the Central Research Institute Gidropribor (St. Petersburg) and was put into service in the 1980 year. Caliber - 533 mm. Length - 7,9 m, weight - 2 tons. Speed ​​- 48 nodes, range - 18 km. Warhead - 200-300 kg. The depth of the course is up to 1 thousand meters. It is equipped with a silver-zinc battery and a two-channel guidance system. Such torpedoes armed submarines of projects 945 ("Barracuda"), 945 ("Condor"), 971 ("Pike-B"), 877 ("Halibut"), 677 ("Lada"). The torpedo is planned to be used on the fourth-generation submarine of the 885 project ("Ash"). The cost of one torpedo exceeds 43 million rubles.

According to the contract and its annexes, before 25 in November 2011, the Ministry of Defense was to receive the first 40 torpedoes, and in 2012-2013, even 80 of similar products. The total cost of the three-year contract was 5,18 billion rubles. Having paid an advance for the first two years in the amount of 2,7 billion rubles, the military department did not receive torpedoes from Dagestan.

As a result, the Ministry of Defense and the prosecutor's office that supported it appealed to the arbitration court, demanding that Dagdiesel return the advance, terminate the contract, and pay a penalty in the amount of 218 million rubles. and fine 81,4 million rubles. In the course of the proceedings, which was conducted in the Moscow Arbitration Court, the claims against Dagdiesel by the military increased to 526 million rubles. by increasing the amount of the penalty.

In court, the defendants, proving their innocence in disrupting the state contract, referred to his own conditions. The contract, in particular, did not allow the use of components manufactured before 2010 of the year when torpedoes were released. Representatives of the plant indicated that, not being able to independently replace a discontinued DP-31U engine, with others, they appealed to the Ministry of Defense with a request to report which organization produces the specified engines. However, it was not until August 2012 of the year that the Ministry of Defense gave instructions to their former manufacturer, Electrosila OJSC, to transfer a set of design documentation for electric motors to OJSC Underwater Marine Concern weapon "Gidropribor" ", and it sent the documentation to the JSC" Engine ". With it was contracted to produce torpedo engines.

The arbitration has satisfied the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, but not in full, but on 222 million rubles. The next lawsuit is about the termination of the state contract and the return of the advance in the amount of 2,7 billion rubles. was discontinued. As explained in the PRT, this is due to the fact that the contract was voluntarily terminated and the funds were returned.

At the same time, during the prosecutor’s check, it turned out that, having won the competition for the production of torpedoes, Dagdizel could not fulfill its conditions from the very beginning. The Ministry of Defense funds received as an advance were placed by the management of the company on deposits in banks and put into business use (by the way, for the use of advance funds as a commercial loan by Dagdiesel, the arbitration charged 122,4 million rubles from the enterprise). Torpedoes also tried to assemble from used materials, which produced new markings.

"The functionaries of this plant not only were not puzzled by the execution of the contract, but also decided to get additional benefits. When assembling new torpedoes, they planned to use old components with expired storage periods, some of them of unknown origin. As a result, a weapon of dubious alertness could get on the fleet, but illegal the activities of the functionaries were stopped in time by the military prosecutors, "the PRT noted.

Earlier, former First Deputy Minister of Defense Alexander Sukhorukov told Kommersant that "according to the results of the defense order in 2011, the Dagdiesel plant did not deliver the samples under the terms of the concluded government contracts" (see Kommersant on March 21 of 2012). According to the Kommersant’s source in the Ministry of Defense, Dagdiesel is one of the most problematic suppliers of the department, and this is connected not only with non-fulfillment of contracts within a specified time frame, but also with “the inconsistency of the ordered products with the technical requirements.”

The leaders of OJSC "Plant" Dagdizel "" refrained from commenting. It is known that the decisions of the Moscow Arbitration Court on claims of the Ministry of Defense and prosecutors are appealed by lawyers of the enterprise in federal courts.

At the same time, as a source in the military-industrial complex explained to Kommersant on condition of anonymity, concluding a contract in April 2011, the Ministry of Defense itself created a situation in which the plant could not fulfill its conditions. The first batch of torpedoes "Dagdiesel" was supposed to deliver 2011 of the year before the end of November, however, the documentation on the DP-31U engine was given a course only last summer. “But the Ministry of Defense is the owner of the documentation,” the source said, “and if the department didn’t dodge this issue, the plant would not have to return the money now and pay the penalty. Dagdizel has been fighting for survival since all these years. for defense orders, and here such a blow, and even from a single customer. "
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  1. svp67
    svp67 26 March 2013 10: 59
    +4
    Maybe now they will tell who is to blame for the death of Kursk
    1. yurypetrunin
      yurypetrunin 26 March 2013 11: 53
      +2
      yurypetrunin August 14, 2012 21:43 | 108 meters: Kursk submarine 0
      You can easily find information that three of the crew are not identified - two sailors and a representative of Dagdizel. And why weren't the BC-3 commander and other officers in the compartment, if the boat was preparing for practical firing, or there were problems with the torpedo? Didn't want to enter the compartment, or couldn't? Isn't this "secret so terrible that it scares even the military"
      (the author of the quotation marks is quite famous) Y. Petrunin. Polar, Gatchina.
      1. starpom
        starpom 26 March 2013 13: 25
        +4
        Quote: yurypetrunin
        And why was there no commander of the BS-3 in the compartment

        At that time, there was one officer in the BC-3 - the commander of the combat unit (then an engineer was added). If it was just before the shooting, then the miner was in the CP near the "Grinda" launcher. But torpedo firing is a lengthy process. According to the K-141 plan, the Kursk carried out a combat exercise with practical torpedoes from 11:40 am to 13:40 pm. It is quite possible that the combat readiness was reduced (judging by the retractable boat was under the periscope) for lunch, l / s and the miner performed the duties of the officer of the watch of the 3BS, again being in the central control center.
        In Kursk, you can consider the version
        http://www.murders.ru/Kyrs-s-s-sk.html
        1. yurypetrunin
          yurypetrunin 26 March 2013 19: 43
          0
          Komsomolskaya Pravda, dated August 18, 2000, published lists of accommodation of medical equipment in compartments.
          1 compartment:
          1 Art. Midshipman Ildasov.
          2 Michman Zurabov,
          3 Sailor Nefedkov
          4 Sailor Barges,
          5 Sailor Shulgin,
          6 Senior Lieutenant Bakhanov,
          7 Servant Gadzhiev. 115 out of 118 people identified. The names of three people not found in the compartments from the 2nd to the stern are also known. They, and only they were in the severed first compartment. And the rack mechanism of the bulkhead hatch is located on the side of the 1st compartment

          The boat died before the combat exercises you described described as practical torpedoes. The exact time of two explosions with an interval of 2 minutes and 15 seconds was recorded by the Norwegian seismic station.
        2. mine
          mine 13 January 2014 20: 18
          0
          Quote: starpom
          In Kursk, you can consider the version http://www.murders.ru/Kyrs-ss-sk.html

          Ryazantsev is lying. And illiterate.
    2. yak69
      yak69 26 March 2013 12: 05
      13
      All this situation in the country will continue until honest, decent people come to the leadership of the country, for whom the benefit of the people and the prosperity of the state is the task of all life, and not just an ambitious game. Only one who is ready to sacrifice his life for the prosperity of the state, who sacrifices his whole life by renouncing his self-esteem and greed, will only be able to successfully lead Russia. In another way, the collapse will continue.
      We need a real leader, a collector of land.
      We need one who will be sent to prison for any wrongdoing!
      Where to get it ?!
      It remains for the whole world to ask God to send this to us. I just don’t see another way.
      Hoping for the self-awareness of our citizens is useless. As soon as the opportunity arises to drag - drag !!
      No one wants to understand a simple law --- THAT THE UNIVERSAL BENEFIT HAS BEEN MUST BE GOOD BY YOURSELF !!

      Just some kind of general madness! I saw the money and that's it !! all internal brakes have fallen! One thought is to steal!
      Can we only live out of the stick, only in fear ???????
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 26 March 2013 12: 29
        +7
        George, what are you .., personally we are with you, and the rest of the forum users, we are good ... But they steal in Russia, always other bad uncles, and they did not grow up in our families, they are generally aliens, in my opinion ...
        1. yak69
          yak69 26 March 2013 18: 07
          +2
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          and the rest of the forum users, we are good

          He never separated himself from his country and its problems. I always share responsibility for what is happening. He himself is not an angel, and in his youth he also did wrong things. After I came to the realization that well-being in the country depends on EVERYONE LITERALLY, I try to live correctly.
          It does not always work, but I try. And this is a step in the right direction. A lot of those who try and live would become a little easier ....
          hi
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 26 March 2013 18: 35
            0
            I respect Definitely!
      2. zen1963
        zen1963 26 March 2013 13: 11
        -8
        That's right. I think so too. Let Putin leave!
        1. Tatarus
          Tatarus 26 March 2013 13: 40
          0
          And who will come?
        2. Homo
          Homo 26 March 2013 13: 48
          +2
          Quote: zen1963
          That's right. I think so too. Let Putin leave!

          How you got it, you guys! Just to blurt out. I want to bother - go to the nearest well, there are a lot of women! No brains - be silent in a rag!
      3. kris
        kris 26 March 2013 13: 24
        +1
        The fish rots from the head !!!
        1. Homo
          Homo 26 March 2013 13: 49
          +1
          Quote: kris
          The fish rots from the head !!!

          Another ram! What does the Duma have to do with it? It's about a defense enterprise!
          1. kris
            kris 26 March 2013 14: 41
            0
            Quote: Homo
            Another ram! What does the Duma have to do with it? It's about a defense enterprise!


            Watch the tongue and watch the tongue.

            For downs I will explain:
            As long as there is no order above, it will not be below.
      4. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 26 March 2013 14: 47
        0
        They will bring people there ... GDP is trying very hard ...
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 26 March 2013 14: 46
      0
      Kursk’s deaths are to blame for the explosion in the torpedo compartment ... and the American torpedo is to blame for the explosion ... in general, you are not at the box office.
  2. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 26 March 2013 11: 01
    +5
    So who will make torpedoes?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 11: 10
      18
      And that the plant cannot be returned to state ownership and a goat is planted. Which it now controls ?????.
      I don’t want to read such news. Until I see real terms of 15 and above.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 26 March 2013 12: 08
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And that the plant cannot be returned to state ownership and a goat is planted

        Yes, you do not need to plant such people, shoot, and with them arbitration courts suit ..... damn loyalists, I read such "news" I want to howl ...
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 26 March 2013 12: 41
          +7
          ... and shoot in the factory yard at the entrance
          1. andrejwz
            andrejwz 26 March 2013 13: 02
            0
            Quote: Black Colonel
            ... and shoot in the factory yard at the entrance

            No, in the toilet, all the same is better.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 March 2013 16: 45
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          Yes, you don’t need to plant such people, shoot,

          Vit, yes I’m FOR !!! But I’m waiting for everyone when they really start .............. I won’t live No.
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 26 March 2013 14: 48
        0
        15 is not enough. For undermining the combat readiness of 25 with confiscation is the minimum ...
      3. not good
        not good 26 March 2013 15: 19
        +2
        It is high time to equate crimes related to the state defense order to treason against the Motherland, maybe then it will at least be afraid of thieves.
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 26 March 2013 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      So who will make torpedoes?

      Ivan Fedorych Kruzenshtern. Damn, no one else.
  3. aksakal
    aksakal 26 March 2013 11: 16
    +1
    Quote: Dmitry 2246
    So who will make torpedoes?

    And again a monopoly! On the branch with 24 Sukhoi, I mentioned to the Witcher how monopolism has a bad effect on the manufacturer, there is a similar situation with torpedoes-))) and the prosecutors can’t fix this. Only fierce competition. Maybe a plant to them. Kirova in Almaty to interfere? Like torpedoes fired good ...
    1. WWW.budanov
      WWW.budanov 26 March 2013 12: 00
      +4
      THIS can solve everything (and cheaper) only and only the State Quality Department! in any defense enterprise. Moreover, with payment - the more carp, the higher the bonus ...
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 26 March 2013 13: 11
      +3
      Quote: aksakal
      Maybe a plant to them. Kirova in Almaty to interfere? Like torpedoes fired good ...

      You understand that this will not happen for obvious reasons, but the only way out is to make these enterprises fully state-owned, starting from the ground under it to the smoke from the chimney. And to equate contractual disruptions and theft at such enterprises with high treason with all the consequences.
  4. zao74
    zao74 26 March 2013 11: 21
    +7
    Hands to creatures to chop ... on the very neck !!!
  5. Russian
    Russian 26 March 2013 11: 31
    +2
    Horror!! These strategic submarines are a deterrent, and they wanted to put counterfeit on them ?! The shooting, and the point.
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 26 March 2013 14: 55
      +1
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      Horror!! These strategic submarines are a deterrent, and they wanted to put counterfeit on them ?!

      And here it is ... an echo ... where it fell back ...

      "... Recall that in August 2012 it was reported on the third postponement of the delivery date of the new nuclear submarine "Severodvinsk" fourth generation project 885 "Ash". One of the reasons was the non-fulfillment of contracts by Zavod Dagdizel for the supply of a new homing torpedo for Yasen-class submarines. “There is still no new torpedo with the required characteristics. The product that was created is explosive and therefore cannot be used to arm a submarine. ", - then explained the representative of the defense industry ... "

      taken from here: http://www.newsru.com/russia/26mar2013/dagdizel.html
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco 26 March 2013 11: 33
    +5
    The interesting patriots (embezzlers) went, they put one in prison, or they start a case, ten new ones come in their place, and with such zeal they steal money, it seems that they are not afraid of anything.
  7. GG2012
    GG2012 26 March 2013 11: 43
    +9
    A legitimate question arises:
    How did the "smart" official agree to place an order for the production of torpedoes in Dagestan for the "Dagdizel" ???
    It is clear that a tender won is a decorative, curtain business ...

    To give Caucasians such an order is the same as asking the Jews to accept the money ... temporarily ... to save ...
    As a result, no money ... no Jews ... no torpedoes ... but only litigation and lost time.

    PS Placing such an order in Dagestan is financing Wahhabism in the North Caucasus.
    To tear someone’s eggs in Moscow ... according to the tonsils ...
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 26 March 2013 12: 34
      15 th
      you are either pretending to be a really narrow-minded person, what kind of Jews? what are the Wahhabis? what are you speaking about?
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 26 March 2013 13: 23
        +1
        Quote: OTAKE
        you either pretend to be a really narrow-minded person

        And you with us ... still that expert ...

        PS Every good joke prolongs life by 5 minutes, and a bad joke shortens it by 15 minutes.
        Evgeny Petrosyan is a serial killer maniac. lol
        1. OTAKE
          OTAKE 26 March 2013 15: 14
          -8
          lol) school student do you want to talk about raptor and fact pa?) I listen to your arguments, and come on without such highs)
          1. GG2012
            GG2012 26 March 2013 15: 31
            0
            Quote: OTAKE
            and come on without such highs

            Go wash, it makes you laugh! Troll State Department!
            1. OTAKE
              OTAKE 26 March 2013 15: 39
              -4
              : DDD Masons! Jews, Wahhabis! everyone is plotting intrigues! State Department, Zionists !! 111
              buddy put down the bottle, away, take care of yourself, get creative, and then the Americans are stupid. the Jews are sick of it. Black-assed - have arrived.
              You see. The Chinese are narrow-eyed. About Africa is better not to remember.
              To the patience of the Jews, especially those living in Russia, one can see.
              They stick together, help each other, pull out, slip,
              install. They are ABLE to do things and do. And you just continue to blame everyone around you, except yourself, what does the Wahhabis have to do with the current thieves and crooks in the government of Dagestan ?:) what is the relation of Jews to the Caucasus in general? Well, if only not to remember the Khazars, but that was a long time ago. as if they didn’t steal in Russia, look at how many grandmothers were heated in Sochi, and then reproach the Wahhabis, Dagestanis)
              1. GG2012
                GG2012 26 March 2013 16: 25
                0
                Quote: OTAKE
                buddy put the bottle away, take care of yourself, do creativity

                Hezbollah, your friend ...
                Take out the cork from your eyes!

      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 26 March 2013 13: 39
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    2. donchepano
      donchepano 26 March 2013 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: GG2012
      Placing an order in Dagestan is financing Wahhabism in the North Caucasus.

      There is such a thing
  8. JonnyT
    JonnyT 26 March 2013 11: 46
    +4
    They divorced bl ... they are now looking for the guilty and do not know what to do ......... for all violations in the areas on which the country's defense depends, it is necessary to punish severely, then there will be no sloppiness. The courts will not help the case, they will only drag out the resolution of the issue, return all defense plants to the state under tight control !!!!
  9. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 26 March 2013 12: 01
    +5
    Total theft is an integral part of the life of Russians. Everyone is shouting about theft, but it’s a strange thing - when they themselves (or loved ones) fall out of the "trough", the voices fall silent ... Who can resist bribes, kickbacks, monopolistic permissiveness himself! he is a real person.

    The Ministry of Defense ... The Prosecutor's Office ... Dagdizel ... all these guys are so strict ... - but for me, they simply did not "share" and were greedy, in the end, it poured out ...
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 26 March 2013 12: 08
      +1
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      The Ministry of Defense ... The prosecutor's office ... Dagdiesel ... straightforward such strict guys all

      : Well, just like in the animation. I'm so strong that I'm afraid for myself laughing
  10. pavlo007
    pavlo007 26 March 2013 12: 06
    +4
    You know, but what’s interesting to me is that it’s a little off topic. Now they are working at Dagdiesel, those old cadres that Putin and his gang have not yet dispersed, those whom the Soviet government sent there according to the distribution. Something tells me that not a single university graduate will ever go to this wonderful enterprise in wonderful Dagestan (I hope no one will say that they will make torpedo hacks?).
    So while Kadyrov’s bandits with cop Ksivs are walking around Moscow and the president himself is protecting this enterprise, it’s doomed, alas, doomed.
  11. vovanrusich
    vovanrusich 26 March 2013 12: 16
    0
    Well yeah lol spotted this time, yeah. The money was simply not divided into the campaign, so this "misunderstanding" happened
  12. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 26 March 2013 12: 22
    +4
    In the USSR, there was the CPC, whose checks were feared by party functionaries and officials of all ranks. Now in the Russian Federation there is no such body, even complaints "to the top" are returned for consideration to those against whom they complained. There is no control and system of punishments over officials of all ranks!
    1. nakaz
      nakaz 26 March 2013 14: 49
      0
      The FSB should understand and figure out who made such decisions, and who supported everyone and determine their term for logging.
  13. mr.Net
    mr.Net 26 March 2013 12: 22
    0
    "Dagdizel" is impressive !!
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 26 March 2013 15: 25
      +3
      Quote: mr.Net

      "Dagdizel" is impressive !!

      "Dagdiesel" is really impressive!
      Let me explain why:
      The engine ДП-З1У used in the dashboard was discontinued in 2010.
      The Dagdizel contract ... kind of won ... in April 2011.
      Thus, having won the competition for the production of torpedoes, "Dagdizel" from the very beginning could not fulfill the terms of the contract.

      And what do you think Dagdizel is doing now ??? !!!

      This is possible only with us !!!
      "Dagdizel" made ... "clever expression on his face" ... don't you understand how can you! ... Who is he?! ... Do you want Chiva?

      Further quote from PROTOCOL No. 1 Meetings of the Board of Directors of the Company OJSC Dagdiesel Plant dated 04.07.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX
      “Next, N.S. Pokorsky spoke, he proposed to instruct VA Tarasov, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Dagdizel Plant OJSC, to work in federal structures to resolve the issue of permitting the use of DP31U engines on products manufactured under a government contract in 2011-2012.
      DELIVERED BY VOTING:
      To instruct V. A. Tarasov, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Dagdiesel Plant OJSC, to work out in federal structures the solution of the issue of permitting the use of DP31U engines on products manufactured under a state contract in 2011-2012.
      Voting results:
      “FOR” - Ilyasov R.Z., Tarasov V.A., Amirkhanov A.G., Kandaurov K.O., Ashamaev I.A., Murtuzaliev M.I., Gadzhibabaev N.G., Gordin G.V ., Pokorsky N.S., Pechkurov V.I.
      Decision is made.
      Decided:
      To charge V. A. Tarasov, Chairman of the Board of Directors of OJSC Dagdiesel Plant OJSC to work out in federal structures a solution to the issue of resolving the use of engines DP31U on products manufactured under a state contract in 2011-2012."
      taken from here, section "Documentation, corporate reporting": http://www.dagdizel.ru/

      Thus, "Dagdizel" decided to stupidly impose The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation a discontinued and explosive engine for torpedoes.

      It looks like there will be another Kursk ...
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 26 March 2013 15: 26
        +3
        I will add .....
        An impressive list of posts on the Board of this company:

        Tarasov V. A. .– Chairman of the Board of Directors of Dagdiesel Plant OJSC
        Ilyasova R.Z. - General Director of Dagdiesel Plant OJSC,
        Pokorsky N. S.– Advisor to the General Director of Dagdiesel Plant OJSC,
        Pechkurov V. I. - Chief Accountant of OJSC Dagdiesel Plant,
        Gadzhibabaev N.G. - Head of the 2nd department of OJSC "Dagdiesel Plant"
        Gordin G.V. - Commercial Director of Dagdiesel Plant OJSC
        Amirkhanov A.G. - Deputy. Minister of Industry, Energy and Communications of the Republic of Dagestan,
        Kandaurov K. O. - Advisor to the President of the Republic of Dagestan,
        Ashamaev I.A. - Deputy. gene. Director of Concern MPO-Hydropribor OJSC
        Murtuzaliev M. I. - Head of the Department of Industry, Innovation and Summary Analysis of the Ministry of Industry, Energy and Communications of the Republic of Dagestan,
        Present at the meeting were 10 out of 11 members of the Board of Directors.

        Invited: Minister of Industry, Energy and Communications of the Republic of Dagestan Nasrutdinov M.N.


        I don’t directly believe that the adviser, deputy minister and minister of the Republic of Dagestan, as well as their President himself, were not aware that the engine was ... explosive and discontinued.

        PS But after all ... real wrecking, sabotage and undermining of Russia's defense ...
  14. TRex
    TRex 26 March 2013 13: 04
    +2
    Something makes me sick lately from all these events and news ... We need to go here less often - some kind of doom comes through: the contract is signed, but nobody knows how to execute it (we’ll do torpedoes, just show with your finger - which side of the world look for a manufacturer of engines) ... criminal cases are being launched - the defendants continue to steer their business, the defenders are indignant at the severity of house arrest for the billionth thief, Taburetkin walks ...
    People! Where is the edge of this mess?
  15. mr.Net
    mr.Net 26 March 2013 13: 09
    0
    Quote: TRex
    Something makes me sick lately from all these events and news ... We need to go here less often - some kind of doom comes through: the contract is signed, but nobody knows how to execute it (we’ll do torpedoes, just show with your finger - which side of the world look for a manufacturer of engines) ... criminal cases are being launched - the defendants continue to steer their business, the defenders are indignant at the severity of house arrest for the billionth thief, Taburetkin walks ...
    People! Where is the edge of this mess?

    I dare to suggest that from the moment when the gallows will be
    hanging out a bald rat with an iPhone
  16. z-exit
    z-exit 26 March 2013 13: 15
    +3
    Quote: mr.Net
    "Dagdizel" is impressive !!

    It sounds almost as funny as the "Chechen scientists")))
  17. zen1963
    zen1963 26 March 2013 13: 19
    -3
    We are a lot outraged by Putin and his oligarch friends, but why was he elected by all the people ?! Even then it was clear who he was. He showed himself to be no prime minister. Praise to Zyuganov that he spoke to everyone in the State Duma and told about Putin's "exploits"
    1. Homo
      Homo 26 March 2013 13: 51
      0
      Quote: zen1963
      We are a lot outraged by Putin and his oligarch friends, but why was he elected by all the people ?! Even then it was clear who he was. He showed himself to be no prime minister. Praise to Zyuganov that he spoke to everyone in the State Duma and told about Putin's "exploits"

      Do you work out 30 pieces of silver?
  18. rudolff
    rudolff 26 March 2013 13: 45
    +5
    According to the torpedoes, the problem is old and already sore. No checks, no quality control, no change of ownership, no other ways to get Dagdiesel to produce quality and reliable products does not seem to work out. I believe that it is necessary to build a completely new and modern plant in the European part of Russia. How is this done for the S-400 air defense system.
  19. mr.Net
    mr.Net 26 March 2013 13: 47
    +2
    Quote: zen1963
    We are a lot outraged by Putin and his oligarch friends, but why was he elected by all the people ?! Even then it was clear who he was. He showed himself to be no prime minister. Praise to Zyuganov that he spoke to everyone in the State Duma and told about Putin's "exploits"

    Duc and who chose it? In Russia, 30-40 percent go to the polls, of which
    (I admit) half for Putin (1 \ 6 of the population) and add 120% of the Chechen
    "votes" and get the result laughing
  20. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 26 March 2013 13: 50
    0
    And what has Zyuganov done all the time? Achinea is easier to carry than a log. Convenient position - "And Baba Yaga is against!" What was he afraid of becoming president after Gorby, he really could, just put it in his pants. All this comes from the fact that the competent customers were dispersed, the military missions were removed or reduced, their powers were cut off at the very ... Our Americans were taught on lend-lease deliveries how to hand over and accept weapons and military equipment, they still use it, and we are to the ground. ..
  21. revnagan
    revnagan 26 March 2013 13: 52
    +2
    Quote: serezhasoldatow
    What he was after Gorby was afraid of becoming president, he really could, only put on his pants.

    Yeah, he could, only LeBlyat passed his votes to Alconaut Yeltsin and that’s all, they arrived ...
  22. igor36
    igor36 26 March 2013 13: 55
    0
    Another Serdyukovskaya mine, I won’t be surprised that he didn’t sign, he just called and asked to sign. The director of the plant on the bunk is unequivocal. if he understood in advance that he could not fulfill the terms of the contract, then this is fraud of pure water.
  23. 120352
    120352 26 March 2013 14: 05
    0
    All on the bunk. Needles under the nails. Complete and unconditional confiscation of everything from both the defendants and relatives up to the seventh generation + from all lovers. Traitors to Russia !!!
  24. rudolff
    rudolff 26 March 2013 14: 14
    +3
    Fraud, if they just stole money. But the use of parts with expired or unknown origin (!) When assembling products, this is an attempt to harm the country's defense. It is a pity that at that time there was an ordinary representative of the plant in Kursk, and not this director! One language mate!
  25. vovanrusich
    vovanrusich 26 March 2013 14: 41
    +1
    We all dislike Putin, yes, of course. Before the election they shouted that we would vote for him, and after the election, the same people say that they did not vote for this crook.
  26. Genur
    Genur 26 March 2013 14: 56
    0
    [quote = Alexander Romanov] And that the plant cannot be returned to state ownership ...
    And why did they introduce privatization? Profit - by itself. And also - so that the government does not answer for anything.
  27. bubla5
    bubla5 26 March 2013 15: 33
    0
    * True patriots damn *
  28. mark021105
    mark021105 26 March 2013 15: 39
    0
    But how did DAGdiesel win the tender? Arkasha tried again?
  29. Alexey M
    Alexey M 26 March 2013 15: 42
    0
    Shoot embezzlers.
  30. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 26 March 2013 16: 12
    0
    According to Kursk, on the frames of the torpedo compartment from the outside, naturally shown on TV, this may not be true, but it seemed that the edges of the casing in the place of the hole were bent in. If the first blow to the body was from the inside, then how about? Depth to the moment of the accident was called periscopic, i.e., minimal.
  31. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 26 March 2013 16: 27
    0
    What a power, such a responsibility.
  32. rudolff
    rudolff 26 March 2013 16: 52
    +1
    The edges of the lining of the light body could be deformed as a result of a bow strike against the ground. Given the underwater displacement, plus the intake of water into the nasal compartments, this is not surprising. But in general, of course, it is strange that the first compartment was left at the bottom. The argument that unexploded ordnance could remain there is somewhat doubtful. With such a force of the second explosion, even if there were unexploded torpedoes, they could be found right up to the central post, but not in their regular places. An exception is possible only those torpedoes that were in the vehicles.
  33. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 26 March 2013 17: 29
    0
    Quote: yak69
    All this situation in the country will continue until honest, decent people come to the leadership of the country, for whom the benefit of the people and the prosperity of the state is the task of all life, and not just an ambitious game. Only one who is ready to sacrifice his life for the prosperity of the state, who sacrifices his whole life by renouncing his self-esteem and greed, will only be able to successfully lead Russia. In another way, the collapse will continue.
    We need a real leader, a collector of land.
    We need one who will be sent to prison for any wrongdoing!
    Where to get it ?!
    It remains for the whole world to ask God to send this to us. I just don’t see another way.
    Hoping for the self-awareness of our citizens is useless. As soon as the opportunity arises to drag - drag !!
    No one wants to understand a simple law --- THAT THE UNIVERSAL BENEFIT HAS BEEN MUST BE GOOD BY YOURSELF !!

    Just some kind of general madness! I saw the money and that's it !! all internal brakes have fallen! One thought is to steal!
    Can we only live out of the stick, only in fear ???????

    And they say they aren’t like us - life is like that, everyone is stealing and what am I better? Type nat no idea, no rules! Yes, everything is simple - you have to live like parents, grandparents taught and everything will fall into place! Wake up conscience! And then excuses come up bespontovye!
  34. optimist
    optimist 26 March 2013 17: 42
    0
    Interestingly, there are still p.i.d.u.r.p.k. who believe in 2020 global rearmament? Reading about a series of such scandals, it remains only to pray that there will be no war ... We’ll blow it on x ... not in 3 years, like the Russian Empire, but in 3 months .... sad
  35. igorspb
    igorspb 26 March 2013 18: 57
    +1
    Such a situation never surprises - for 2,8 lard it was possible to postpone the time and the amount to "overestimate" and make half of the torpedoes (strain both the St. "take" yourself and fulfill the contract. In truth, our southern compatriots, apart from "taking and sharing", not only do not know how to do anything, but cannot even think differently ... Well, yes, the loot would have been like that, wait a couple of years (skip three vacations and do not change the car once ) and you are handsome, but no, you need everything at once ..... Sori, I rarely swear, but here are real narrow-minded individuals
  36. Algor73
    Algor73 26 March 2013 20: 19
    0
    It is necessary to radically change something. And then the torpedoes explode, the ships do not sail, the rockets fall. And, most importantly, there are no perpetrators! And Islamic laws will not pass if thieves cut their hands - half of the country will be disabled. That's terrible. Where is the way out of the situation?
  37. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 26 March 2013 20: 57
    0
    The torpedo is planned to be used on the fourth-generation nuclear submarine of project 885 (Ash). The cost of one torpedo exceeds 43 million rubles.

    The total value of the three-year contract was 5,18 billion rubles
    Here you guys are dogging, srach arranged. And no one figured out what kind of torpedo this could be for the money. 43 million rubles, this is approximately 1,4 million shares, and about 1,08 million. Evrikov! (Translated at the rate, since such an amount was horrifying!)
    Guys, Dagdiesel from gold torpedoes casts?
    In general, who determined this price?
    You can buy a ship for this money! Here is a cut dough so cut !!!!!
    1. mine
      mine 13 January 2014 20: 22
      -1
      sad joke in the fact that "Gidropribor" turns out much more expensive
  38. ABV
    ABV 26 March 2013 21: 48
    0
    ... Dagi hesitated already ... everywhere ... Chechens aren’t so visible as them .... when the government can already take any measures whatsoever .. to protect us ???? I’m not afraid for myself .... I have a haircut, like Kim Jong-un ... they are afraid themselves .... and our women, when we are not around?

    at the beginning of the note, the moderators removed the word characterizing not the best part of the population ... of our country in question!
  39. Krilion
    Krilion 27 March 2013 05: 32
    0
    the Caucasus should not collect torpedoes with its thieving hands, but engage in ancestral craft — graze sheep in the mountains ... and admit them to machinery and equipment, not to mention defense orders, in no way ..
  40. mr.Net
    mr.Net 27 March 2013 05: 53
    +1
    By God, words like "dagi" and "torpedoes" don't fit in my head wassat
    Tolley case "dagi" and "rams" - so everything seems to be in order.
  41. rudolff
    rudolff 27 March 2013 13: 45
    +1
    The point is not precisely in the Dagestanis, but in the Caucasian mentality in general. Industrial production, this is not their credo! Livestock, agriculture, winemaking, trade, yes! But not more! In Soviet times, attempts were made to industrialize the Caucasus, it turned out badly. Suffice it to recall the Kutaisi Colchis or Yerevan ErAZ. How many jokes about their products went. And you can talk with the pilots, which meant getting a Su-25 produced by the Tbilisi aircraft factory! Headache guaranteed. While the Russians worked mainly on Dagdiesel, then the production was more or less at the proper level. But which of the experts now wants to go to this sunny Caucasus ?! Conclusion, only the construction of a new plant and away from the Caucasian ridge!
    1. mine
      mine 13 January 2014 20: 25
      -1
      Can you then take the trouble to explain why the "quality" of the "capital" "Gidropribor" "suddenly" is much worse than the "Caucasus"?
      And why do "Dagdizel toys" undergo sudden checks with a bang?
  42. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 11 October 2017 20: 33
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Maybe now they will tell who is to blame for the death of Kursk

    There the "chemical" torpedo was EXPLOSED BY THE DIVERSION METHOD. The traces of a sabotage break aboard the Kursk lead a lot where ... Far not only in the south, but also in the east, and in the west, and in the north. It’s not the torpedo, but those who organized this diversion under Putin. And who spoiled her, and why. Therefore, the materials of the investigation
  43. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 11 October 2017 20: 36
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Maybe now they will tell who is to blame for the death of Kursk

    The results of the investigation are classified for 30 years. Although this is clearly a diversion.
  44. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 11 October 2017 20: 41
    0
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    The torpedo is planned to be used on the fourth-generation nuclear submarine of project 885 (Ash). The cost of one torpedo exceeds 43 million rubles.

    The total value of the three-year contract was 5,18 billion rubles
    Here you guys are dogging, srach arranged. And no one figured out what kind of torpedo this could be for the money. 43 million rubles, this is approximately 1,4 million shares, and about 1,08 million. Evrikov! (Translated at the rate, since such an amount was horrifying!)
    Guys, Dagdiesel from gold torpedoes casts?
    In general, who determined this price?
    You can buy a ship for this money! Here is a cut dough so cut !!!!!

    In real life, these torpedoes are long outdated and unsuitable for naval combat.