Is SVO nearing completion?

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Is SVO nearing completion?

The main news The most significant event of the last few days was the telephone conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Donald Trump, which the parties officially announced on February 12. It is quite possible that this was not the first such conversation (Trump had previously stated in an interview that he had already spoken with Putin, and Dmitry Peskov did not deny this), but it was the most productive, and it was reported publicly.

Of course, the main topic of the conversation was the military conflict in Ukraine, or more precisely, the discussion of options for ending it. Donald Trump was quite optimistic in this regard, calling the negotiations productive and noting that the presidents agreed on the need to stop the conflict in Ukraine.



"We both agreed that we wanted to stop the millions of deaths (Trump was clearly exaggerating here - ed.) in the war between Russia and Ukraine. President Putin even used my campaign slogan - "common sense". We both believe in it very strongly. We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other's countries. We also agreed that our respective teams would immediately begin negotiations,"
- сообщил Trump

Can we say that the start of high-level negotiations between the US and Russia means that the special military operation is coming to an end? In the author's opinion, yes, and in this article he will try to explain why.

Peace talks: the first step has been taken


The author has already written more than once that the military conflict in Ukraine will inevitably end with negotiations (see, for example, “Permanent War or Korean Scenario: How the Conflict in Ukraine Could Develop”), and emphasized that in the conditions of positional warfare, when the front line at best moves 300-400 meters per month, achieving a military victory is practically impossible.

In fact, the special military operation ended in the spring-summer of 2022, when the conflict transformed into a protracted positional war. Given that the initial plans to capture Kyiv and quickly capitulate Ukraine failed to be achieved, the goals of the SVO were seriously adjusted.

The new plan was to "sit out" the West, wait for a change in the political elites in the US, Europe and Ukraine, wait for changes that would facilitate real peace talks. There was no longer talk of full control over Ukraine, as some jingoistic channels and bloggers assumed. At the same time, the Russian Armed Forces tried to achieve the most favorable situation for themselves on the battlefield, but, first of all, to strengthen their negotiating position.

This plan can hardly be called a strategy – rather, it was a situational tactic caused by a changed strategic situation. And with the arrival of Donald Trump, it seems that this tactic worked: in the US, there was a change of political elites who are inclined to dialogue with Russia, and Europe, to a large extent, is tired of Ukraine, although it is still formally ready to support it.

Unlike American Democrats (representing the left-liberal globalist project), American national conservatives do not consider Ukraine a significant asset for themselves, and therefore its value to them is small. In fact, Donald Trump himself hinted at this quite clearly when he was asked whether Ukraine was involved in the development of a decision about its future:

"That's an interesting question. I think they'll have to make peace. It's a bad war."

As is clear from Trump's statements, his first priority is to stop the war (which was one of his campaign promises, and he always tries to keep them) and to get Ukraine to pay for the multi-billion dollar aid packages in the form of control over key Ukrainian resources, rather than a long-term war of attrition to further weaken Russia, as the Democrats did.

Trump does not intend to support Zelensky’s fantastic “victory plans,” nor to promise Kyiv NATO membership – he called the prospect of Ukraine joining the alliance “impractical” and “unlikely.” He also acknowledged that “Ukraine is unlikely to get back its lost territories.”

Given the rather soft position of Trump and his team towards Russia (compared to the position of the Democrats and their representative Joe Biden), it can be assumed that negotiations could indeed begin in the very near future. It is also possible that a ceasefire will be established in the SVO zone as early as spring, if the negotiations progress smoothly.

In fact, the very next day after the official telephone conversation between Putin and Trump, Dmitry Peskov announced that Russia had begun work on forming a negotiating group for dialogue with the United States.

The West's Loss of Interest in Ukraine Means the End of the SVO


Nevertheless, despite the above, the hopes that the loss of interest on the part of the United States will lead to a decisive victory over Ukraine, which were expressed by some jingoistic bloggers and users, seem unrealistic. Simply because Russia does not have the strength and means for a complete victory over Ukraine, and Moscow understands this very well. And the West will do everything to prevent such a scenario.

The mood in the Russian Armed Forces is also far from the same as among the armchair patriots. People serve in the Russian Armed Forces, not robots, who are ready to remain in difficult combat conditions for years without rotation. Many of those mobilized, frankly speaking, already want to go home, and therefore are not against ending the conflict or at least a temporary respite. Advancing on Kyiv and Lvov while sitting in front of a computer screen is not at all the same as doing it in reality.

The Russian political leadership, as Dmitry Peskov has also stated on numerous occasions, is proceeding, first and foremost, from the situation “on the ground” – Russia, apparently, will demand that it retain all territories liberated by the Russian Armed Forces, guarantees that Ukraine will not join NATO, and guarantees that Ukraine will not start a war in the future.

Accordingly, the loss of interest in Ukraine on the part of the West (primarily the US) does not mean a more active implementation of the SVO (as some experts and bloggers incorrectly estimated), but its completion. Since it is possible to achieve the somewhat transformed goals of the SVO through negotiations between the US and Russia. And this point of view is based not on the personal views of the author, but on an assessment of the current situation.

It is difficult to say how these negotiations will end, since the left-liberal globalists will continue to hinder Trump’s intentions to end the military conflict and push Zelensky to disrupt any possible agreements. Therefore, much will depend on how far the American president is willing to go to force Kyiv to peace talks and how the confrontation between competing global projects will develop.

Conclusion


The first step towards ending the SVO was made on February 12, but it is too early to talk about any stable trends - we hear a lot of words, but it is difficult to say what they will lead to. If the US and Russia manage to make a deal, and the States force Kyiv to negotiate and hold subsequent elections, then the military conflict will be stopped/frozen. What specific political agreements will end the conflict, who will guarantee them and who will control the conditions of a possible truce, is currently unknown.

The outlines of possible peace deal terms will likely become clear in the spring.
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  1. -3
    16 February 2025 05: 15
    It is in Trump's interests to end the war - he needs to develop Ukrainian deposits, i.e. plunder resources, and then Iskander might accidentally fly in... belay
    1. +3
      16 February 2025 06: 16
      Well, honestly speaking, I don't care what's profitable for the redhead. What's important is what's profitable for us. It's profitable for 404 to disappear and be remembered for centuries. And therefore, it should disappear, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Nikolaev, Chernigov and Sumy, Poltava and Krivoy Rog, Vinnitsa, Zhitomir and Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities. This is our land, and all of this will be Russia. Whether it's profitable for Trump or not, I don't give a damn about him.
      1. +25
        16 February 2025 06: 28
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        What is important is what is beneficial to us

        That's the main thing! But will we be able to? his to defend - that's the question! Our oligarchs have perked up, their faces have even brightened, led by Shokhin. That's where we should expect an ambush...
        1. +4
          17 February 2025 11: 04
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Our oligarchs have really perked up!

          Yeah... Russia is expecting another abomination...
      2. +39
        16 February 2025 07: 32
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Nikolaev, Chernigov and Sumy, Poltava and Krivoy Rog, Vinnitsa, Zhitomir and Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities. This is our land, and all this will be Russia.

        Forget about the Right Bank. Discussions about Nikolaev and Odessa with Lvov are like pies for three hryvnias on the Red Square. The DPR should be taken in the administrative borders.
        Terraforming Mars with a Russian colony on it would also be good.
        1. man
          +20
          16 February 2025 09: 59
          Quote: Aristarkh Verkhozin
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Nikolaev, Chernigov and Sumy, Poltava and Krivoy Rog, Vinnitsa, Zhitomir and Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities. This is our land, and all this will be Russia.

          Forget about the Right Bank. Discussions about Nikolaev and Odessa with Lvov are like pies for three hryvnias on the Red Square. The DPR should be taken in the administrative borders.
          Terraforming Mars with a Russian colony on it would also be good.

          We must be realistic, this is not 80 years ago, there is no Red Army and no Comrade Stalin, and most importantly, there is no attractive ideology that can be offered to the opponent... Solid "no"s... sad
          1. +4
            16 February 2025 12: 59
            But in any case, those returning from the front will have to show something. Otherwise, they will start asking questions - what did we die for, why weren't we allowed to finish off the bastard?
            1. +4
              16 February 2025 13: 10
              Experience shows that those who will ask questions are no more than 5%. But if someone is found who will raise a fuss, the percentage will increase several times.
              1. +4
                16 February 2025 17: 05
                Exactly. There was one. They figured him out and killed him.
            2. man
              +7
              16 February 2025 20: 13
              Quote from Aken
              But in any case, those returning from the front will have to show something. Otherwise, they will start asking questions - what did we die for, why weren't we allowed to finish off the bastard?

              Don't worry about that. Such an army of highly paid propagandists! They'll find something to fill your ears with.
              1. 0
                16 February 2025 20: 46
                So already deputy Zhenya Fedorov, the founder of NOD and the famous "Putin's grannies" openly said what will happen to those who will demand something, continuation of the war. And not only he, also Yakimenko on Solovyov Life expressed similarly.
                1. man
                  +2
                  16 February 2025 20: 50
                  Quote: karabas-barabas
                  So already deputy Zhenya Fedorov, the founder of NOD and the famous "Putin's grannies" openly said what will happen to those who will demand something, continuation of the war. And not only he, also Yakimenko on Solovyov Life expressed similarly.

                  You've found something to worry about and whose words to worry about... Spit on it and rub it in! smile
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2025 20: 55
                    Of course I agree that Zhenya Fyodorov is a funny freak on the one hand, but on the other hand he is the power. And Fyodorov, Yakimenko, Gurulev, who was removed from TV, this is the preparation of public opinion for the curtailment of the SVO.
                    1. man
                      +2
                      16 February 2025 20: 57
                      Quote: karabas-barabas
                      Of course I agree that Zhenya Fyodorov is a funny freak on the one hand, but on the other hand he is the power. And Fyodorov, Yakimenko, Gurulev, who was removed from TV, this is the preparation of public opinion for the curtailment of the SVO.

                      What kind of power is this? smile
                    2. Rtu
                      -3
                      18 February 2025 22: 18
                      Yes, Gurulev was pushed aside. Well, it's obvious that the general's place is there. They're clearing the field of potential leaders.
            3. +9
              16 February 2025 20: 43
              Quote from Aken
              But in any case, those returning from the front will have to show something. Otherwise, they will start asking questions - what did we die for, why weren't we allowed to finish off the bastard?

              Considering the hell that is happening at the front and the conditions in which we have to fight, the vast majority will return home with relief.
              1. -2
                16 February 2025 20: 44
                And the port will ask, why were we in this hell? What did Russia get?
                1. +11
                  16 February 2025 20: 48
                  Quote from Aken
                  And the port will ask, why were we in this hell?

                  If they didn't ask beforehand, why will they ask later? The main motivation of the overwhelming majority there is payments or amnesty, and the goal is to survive. Those who are at the front and know the situation certainly don't dream of Kiev, Odessa, etc.
                2. +2
                  17 February 2025 04: 08
                  Quote from Aken
                  And the port will ask, why were we in this hell? What did Russia get?

                  Land corridor to Crimea. Ruins of cities and losses are included as a "bonus". A big miscalculation - abandoning Kherson. The guilty should be severely punished. But, as is now the case in Russia, no one will answer for anything. And there are A LOT of questions for the leadership.
                3. -3
                  17 February 2025 08: 27
                  no one will ask
                  1. -1
                    17 February 2025 08: 35
                    In 35 years, Russia was able to give birth to only one real, not nomenklatura leader. But he died.
                    We'll have to wait another 35 years for the next one.
          2. -5
            16 February 2025 13: 35
            And what kind of "attractive ideology" did the EU offer Ukraine?
            to occupy it, pardon me, "include" it in the EU? "The right" to change gender at the age of 10?
            1. +7
              16 February 2025 16: 01
              Quote: stankow
              And what kind of "attractive ideology" did the EU offer Ukraine?
              to occupy it, pardon me, "include" it in the EU
              ? "Right" to change gender at the age of 10?

              Ukrainian "guest workers" are offered the European minimum wage (where it is established by law), and not the "horror stories" from the Russian "zombie box".
              Minimal salary:
              Cyprus (1 euros), Poland (000 euros), Portugal (978 euros), Malta (957 euros), Lithuania (925 euros), Greece (924 euros), Croatia (910 euros), Estonia (840 euros), Czech Republic (820 euros), Slovakia (764 euros), Latvia (750 euros), Hungary (700 euros), Romania (697 euros), Bulgaria (663 euros)

              P.S. Let me remind you that the minimum wage is for unskilled "labor".
              And in Ukraine, there are enough qualified plumbers, builders, drivers and nurses.
              And the "average minimum wage" reaches 24 euros per hour. That's why Ukrainians need the EU, so they can easily move to countries with higher wages.
              The times of construction teams from Ukraine at the construction sites of cottage villages in the Moscow region and "khokhlushkas on Tverskaya" are long gone.
              IMHO.
              1. -2
                16 February 2025 18: 04
                Is this an "ideology"? Values? The minimum wage is a beggarly existence. And the absence of other values ​​is also brutalization.
              2. -7
                16 February 2025 19: 43
                The minimum wage in Russia has nothing to do with the size of wages, it functions as a measure for fines, taxes, etc. In addition, it is stupid to compare the size of wages without comparing the size of expenses. In Berlin, renting an apartment is 10 times more expensive than in St. Petersburg.
                1. +2
                  16 February 2025 20: 24
                  Quote: Dima68
                  The minimum wage in Russia has nothing to do with the size of wages; it functions as a measure for fines, taxes, etc. In addition, it is stupid to compare wages without comparing the size of expenses. In Berlin, renting an apartment is 10 times more expensive than in St. Petersburg.

                  I gave the minimum wage in the EU as an example, showing that in many cases it is higher than salaries in the regions of Russia and Ukraine.
                  As for the price of renting an apartment, not everyone needs it.
                  Not everyone is a highly paid IT specialist who also needs to bring their family to the EU.
                  Residents of the former USSR, for the most part, are quite unpretentious in terms of housing conditions, and there are plenty of options for renting housing - the same "hostels", for example.
                  1. -1
                    17 February 2025 15: 56
                    I, in turn, cited the cost of renting apartments to show the conventionality of the difference in wages. In Berlin, renting an apartment starts at around 2 euros per month, so the minimum wage of 000 euros per month is nothing.
                    It is clear that there is municipal housing, benefits, etc., but the fact remains a fact and cannot be stupidly transferred to our reality, European conditions.
                    1. 0
                      22 February 2025 09: 34
                      As of 2024, home ownership in Berlin is less than 14%. Only one in six residents (16%) lives in their own home.
                      In St. Petersburg, 22% live in rented apartments, in the Leningrad region 35%. In their own apartments live 36% and 57% of buyers, respectively.
                      1. 0
                        22 February 2025 18: 51
                        It is also worth considering that in Russia, the older generation in most cases owns their own housing. Therefore, when pensions are compared to demonstrate the poverty of our pensioners, they do not like to remember this.
                2. +10
                  16 February 2025 21: 00
                  Quote: Dima68
                  In Berlin, renting an apartment is 10 times more expensive

                  I ran through apartment rentals in St. Petersburg, about $500 for 40 m². In Berlin, prices are about the same. Many products are more expensive in the Russian Federation, meat, milk and products made from it. Equipment and clothing of the same brands are also more expensive in the Russian Federation.
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2025 08: 55
                    Absolutely right, but it's hard to convey this to people with brainwashed media...they repeat it like a mantra, taxes, medicine, rent....without ever having been there
                    1. -2
                      17 February 2025 16: 08
                      Such nonsense about brainwashed media could have been written in the Soviet era, now the borders are open and people can see for themselves how they live in Europe, including Germany.
                      And judging by the list of "medicine, rent", services, electricity, gasoline, heating, they have already tried to convey to you that comparing the level of nominal wages in Russia and Germany, without taking into account the basket of expenses, is simply stupid.
                      1. -1
                        19 February 2025 11: 32
                        Well, in principle, everything is clear with you) you know that no more than 20% of compatriots visit abroad, and the main part visits resorts) this is the first... a tour is not a permanent residence) this is the second,... well and the third... it is simply stupid to compare baskets of the Russian Federation and Germany... where a friend receives unemployment benefits of 480 euros... for this money the country, with the exception of St. Petersburg and Moscow, works for a month... dear... what are you talking about... wake up
                      2. -2
                        19 February 2025 12: 57
                        Here you write nonsense and don’t even think about it.
                        There are more than three million immigrants working in Russia, who send home an average of 48 thousand rubles a month, which is approximately 480 euros. At the same time, they live here, eat, rent housing, etc. And what is characteristic is that they live not only in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but throughout the country. Therefore, when another complainant about wages in the country appears on the Internet, I can only say one thing: get away from the computer and go to work. The country is full of vacancies.
                        Now about 20% and other things. I have relatives living in the US, friends living in Switzerland, so I have an idea of ​​the standard of living and cost structures in the US and Europe.
                      3. 0
                        19 February 2025 15: 14
                        What do you mean go to work?) Again you are saying something you don't know, my dear) You got the fact that I don't work from the same place as everything else... What do newcomers have to do with it?) If we are talking about our poor population... And yes... Where did you get the info that they send exactly that much?) Not five, not ten, but exactly 48) My dear, you are a dreamer and an artist
                  2. -3
                    17 February 2025 16: 03
                    I don't know where you ran, I live in St. Petersburg myself and know the price of apartments for rent. A one-room apartment is around 30 thousand rubles +/-.
                    Besides, it is stupid to say "prices are about the same", considering that food takes up about 20-30% of a family's budget. You compare the entire basket of expenses, including prices for gasoline, electricity, utilities, education, etc. Even services, which have been repeatedly criticized.
                    1. +2
                      17 February 2025 16: 57
                      I have compared directly more than once. And what exactly are you arguing with? If you take some specialized worker in St. Petersburg and in Berlin, it is obvious that the one in Berlin can afford a higher standard of living than in St. Petersburg. But no one says that in Russian big cities working people live like in Bangladesh, more or less like in Eastern Europe. It's just that Russia consists not only of the western and southern parts and big cities, but also provinces and villages beyond the Urals. And pensioners are a real disaster, here you can't compare either with Berlin or Budapest.
                    2. 0
                      19 February 2025 11: 33
                      what a nightmare you have in your head) yes, people work for 30 thousand a month...what a one-room apartment....Peter, he's telling us this....better shut up Peter
              3. -3
                16 February 2025 20: 19
                Euro minimum wage is good when you work there and spend it in Ukraine. That's how they lived in Western Ukraine. But living in Europe as a migrant worker and working in Europe are two big differences and fairy tales for the ilkhovs.
                1. 0
                  16 February 2025 20: 26
                  Quote: Totor5
                  Euro minimum wage is good when you work there and spend it in Ukraine. That's how they lived in Western Ukraine. But living in Europe as a guest worker and working in Europe are two big differences and fairy tales for the illiterates.

                  Actually, that's what they were going to do next - but it didn't work out.
                2. +1
                  16 February 2025 21: 03
                  Quote: Totor5
                  But living in Europe as a guest worker and working in Europe are two big differences and fairy tales for the illiterates.

                  Where is better than Europe? It is not simple anywhere, it is not easy anywhere, but there are no alternatives, so people from all over the world are climbing, dreaming of getting a foothold in Europe.
                  1. 0
                    16 February 2025 21: 47
                    It's better in your homeland - your own land.
                    I don't want to live in a foreign land, celebrate foreign holidays, learn foreign history, I don't want my children to speak a language that is foreign to me - I don't need janissaries. We need to make our land better, and not wander around the world like a parasite. Although the Ukrainians won't understand this - they've never had anything of their own.
            2. man
              +2
              16 February 2025 20: 22
              And what kind of "attractive ideology" did the EU offer Ukraine?
              occupy it, pardon me, "include" it in the EU?

              And why did we ourselves, with our skirts raised, literally rush to join the EU?
              Behind the illusions of a rich, calm life...
            3. +2
              16 February 2025 20: 52
              Independent democratic institutions of power, elections, judicial system, media, the basis of stability, security and rising living standards in all so-called Western countries.
              1. -2
                17 February 2025 10: 56
                Yeah, they believed all that. Until recently.
              2. Rtu
                -3
                18 February 2025 22: 37
                Don't make me laugh so cruelly. Where is independence and sovereignty there? Only independence from one's own people. And the EU's top authority is not elected anywhere, by anyone, in any way.
                If we are to be honest about real democracy with direct elections of the head of state, then this only exists in Russia. Whether someone likes it or not, but a fact is a fact.
      3. +8
        16 February 2025 08: 42
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Well, honestly speaking, I don't care what's profitable for the redhead. What's important is what's profitable for us. It's profitable for 404 to disappear and be remembered for centuries. And therefore, it should disappear, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Nikolaev, Chernigov and Sumy, Poltava and Krivoy Rog, Vinnitsa, Zhitomir and Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities. This is our land, and all of this will be Russia. Whether it's profitable for Trump or not, I don't give a damn about him.

        . Advancing on Kyiv and Lvov while sitting in front of a computer screen is not at all the same as doing it in reality.
      4. +3
        16 February 2025 10: 48
        We'll have to fight for all this, they won't give it to us for free!
      5. AAK
        +12
        16 February 2025 12: 06
        The words are good, the desires are correct, but we must honestly answer everyone (and first of all, "The One at the very top") to several questions:
        1. Will the US, EU and Ukraine, with legal confirmation of this fact, recognize Crimea, LPR and DPR, Zaporizhia and Kherson regions as territories of the Russian Federation in their full administrative borders? My answer is No, therefore the "new subjects" are destined to suffer the fate of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus for at least decades...
        2. Is it possible to guarantee that the US and the EU will allow temporary control of the Russian Federation over the rest of Ukraine's territory to carry out, albeit in partial form, "two "De-..." and will never take steps to accept Ukraine into NATO or to secure the status of an exclusive military-political partner (like Israel for the US)? My answer is no, Ukraine will be purposefully prepared for the role of a rabid chained (or broken-off-chain) dog in relation to the Russian Federation...
        There are many similar questions that can be asked and there will be only one answer to all of them - No. If this is not understood at the top, then I feel sorry for such tops and I feel sorry for Russia and our people...
        1. +5
          16 February 2025 15: 04
          I apologize - has the president already acknowledged it in Minsk? Did I miss something?
      6. +4
        16 February 2025 15: 25
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        To be honest, I don’t care what’s beneficial for the redhead.

        The US is a world hegemon and we can't survive an open war with them. They have twice the population, they have the world currency. We can win a couple of battles, but we'll lose a war of attrition.
        How unpleasant it is, but we will have to negotiate with America. Now is a good moment. The current US administration does not like "leaky ones", and we seem to be on "traditional values".
        I think the border between "East and West" will run along the Dnieper. New territories will not be recognized as Russia's. There will be something like a buffer zone.
        1. 0
          16 February 2025 17: 20
          Quote: ism_ek
          Yes, we can win a couple of battles.

          What a couple of battles, there will be only one battle, a thermonuclear one.
        2. +1
          16 February 2025 18: 08
          If Russia is not recognized as having new territories, then there will be no agreement.
          Trump is calling Putin not because they both support traditional values, but because he wants to secure the profit the US has received from this conflict, he is a businessman! Continuation of the conflict is possible, it already threatens losses for the US and in principle distracts from solving problems that are important specifically for Trump.
          Hegemon, but not omnipotent, and he also counts money, and better than anyone else in the world! bully
          Now Putin must prove to Trump that he can really control Ukraine and, accordingly, can guarantee the US the return of the billions that they invested in Ukraine and together they must work out a way to achieve the goals. If such a way is found (I think this option has been discussed for a long time) and Russia can really prove its ability to establish control and guarantee the payment of billions to the US, then the deal will become a reality!
          But today is the beginning of the journey and what will happen in the end is unknown, because the US Democratic Party, the EU and even Zelensky as an instrument of Trump's opponents will not just stand and watch, but will actively oppose!
          1. +5
            16 February 2025 18: 41
            Quote: Eroma
            Trump... wants to lock in the profits the US has made from this conflict

            The question is, what is our profit, besides problematic territories, sanctions and lost lives? Well, if we think in these categories... I don’t really understand.
            1. -7
              16 February 2025 19: 26
              All new territories are not problematic at all!
              When the deal is concluded, ALL sanctions will be lifted.
              As for the lost lives, the deal for Russia should ideally be such that it would justify these losses, for example, as an option of referendums throughout Ukraine and its voluntary reunification with Russia (this is not a fact, but as an option for consideration)
          2. -1
            17 February 2025 23: 19
            Quote: Eroma
            Now Putin must prove to Trump that he can really control Ukraine and, accordingly, can guarantee the US the return of the billions that they invested in Ukraine, and together they must work out a solution to achieve the goals.

            Putin simply must interact normally with China. Only the DPRK and China can guarantee either our independence in the event of their support or our collapse in the event of an embargo from China. Trump simply does not need a thermonuclear war against Russia on the eve of a conflict with China.
            1. 0
              21 February 2025 19: 29
              The PRC will not guarantee us anything - they have economic ties with the EU and the US and Beijing will not sacrifice such good premium markets for us... The DPRK is a miraculously surviving country and cannot guarantee anything to anyone in the world due to its microscopic size in the economy and politics... Trump is not afraid of a war with us... a thermonuclear one because the GDP no longer has combat-ready nuclear weapons, and a conventional one because we wasted the military potential left to us from the USSR in the SVO
              1. 0
                21 February 2025 23: 38
                Quote: Alexander Igorevich Rifeev
                The DPRK is a miraculously surviving country and cannot guarantee anything to anyone in the world due to its microscopic nature in economics and politics...

                In machine tool and chemical engineering, the DPRK is equal to Germany, in greenhouse equipment production to the Netherlands, in the shoe industry to the Czech Republic or Italy, in ammunition production to Germany, the Czech Republic and Bulgaria combined. France or Germany would not survive under the sanctions that the DPRK is under by any miracle.
                1. 0
                  22 February 2025 09: 25
                  And I also respect Kim and the DPRK, but still we must be within the bounds of common sense :-)
              2. 0
                21 February 2025 23: 44
                Quote: Alexander Igorevich Rifeev
                they have economic ties with the EU and the US and Beijing will not sacrifice such good premium markets for us

                Western markets are not that premium for China. China sells goods to Europe no more expensively than to Russia. For some reason, Russia buys equivalent equipment from China, such as industrial electronics (PLC HMI, servo drives and frequency converters), 3 times cheaper than in Germany and France. In fact, Siemens and Schneider are simply Chinese products bought through German and French intermediaries.
              3. 0
                21 February 2025 23: 49
                Quote: Alexander Igorevich Rifeev
                and it’s ordinary because we wasted the military potential left to us by the USSR in the SVO

                Before the start of the NWO, NATO was confident that NATO's military-industrial potential was 17 times greater than Russia's; in reality, it was simply comparable to two North Korean ones.
        3. +2
          16 February 2025 19: 14
          Quote: ism_ek
          As unpleasant as it is, we will have to come to an agreement with America.

          Agree on what? They have a deliberate policy of destroying everyone who looks askance. Yugoslavia was a thorn in their side, so quiet, dependent and without valuable resources. An elk can't come to an agreement with a wolf who intends to devour it.
          1. -2
            17 February 2025 09: 06
            Quote from alexoff
            Yugoslavia was a thorn in their side, so quiet, dependent and without valuable resources. An elk can't negotiate with a wolf that wants to devour it.

            In this quiet Yugoslavia, civil war has been raging for more than 5 years
            1. 0
              17 February 2025 14: 26
              This civil war was raging at the instigation of the USA, the Croatian Ustasha moved to the West in 1945 and did all sorts of dirty tricks. The operation to liquidate the Serbian Krajina was prepared by the USA, the Croats were trained by the Americans. Supplies came from the warehouses of the GDR. With the same success we can say that now the Americans are not bombing anyone here and have nothing to do with the events after the Maidan
        4. -1
          16 February 2025 20: 22
          A war with America is a nuclear war and the population size and a strong dollar are not important. What is more important is the dispersion of the population over the territory, and America is not very good at this, because it is concentrated on the coasts.
        5. -1
          17 February 2025 04: 34
          Quote: ism_ek
          As unpleasant as it is, we will have to come to an agreement with America. Now is a good time.

          Exactly. Because the next assassination attempt on Trump could be successful.
      7. -1
        16 February 2025 16: 17
        with such support! so that it does not remain we need to sacrifice a lot of our people! so it is better to let them come to an agreement
        1. +6
          16 February 2025 17: 21
          Quote: ilya63
          We need to put down a lot of our people! That's why it's better to let them come to an agreement.

          So because of this deal in the future we will have to kill even more people.
          1. +5
            17 February 2025 02: 40
            You can lay people down now, or you can make peace and probably lay them down later. Military victory was not achieved. This is already an established fact. This became clear two weeks after the invasion began. The army has low offensive potential. It was lower than expected from the very beginning. Now it is close to zero. Even if additional contingents are mobilized, the potential will decrease. In fact, there is no other choice. Economic preconditions will reduce the standard of living more and more. People have less and less desire to fight. Industry cannot replace equipment in full. There are models that are no longer produced at all. High-class commanders and specialists are leaving the army and production. Your wishes may simply not coincide with reality, which is much worse than you are told on TV.
            1. +1
              17 February 2025 14: 30
              Quote: Lumberjack
              You can put people down now, or you can make peace and probably put them down later.

              But if now we have to put down 10 people, then in the future it will be at least 100. And what kind of peace will there be when shelling of Russian territory continues and the number of terrorist attacks grows.
              1. 0
                18 February 2025 01: 37
                You compare the losses in a defeat in a major conflict, where many people die quickly, with an endless war where the losses are spread over a longer period. There is no difference in the end.
                1. +1
                  18 February 2025 01: 43
                  Quote: Lumberjack
                  There is no difference in the end.

                  There is a difference: if we suffer defeat, then many more wars will begin against us in many places.
            2. -1
              17 February 2025 23: 24
              Quote: Lumberjack
              Military victory was not achieved.

              Crimea has been defended. A land corridor to Crimea has been established. We have reached the Dnieper and gained access to Dnieper water for water supply to Crimea. The alternative to the SVO is the physical destruction of 4 million Russians in Crimea and Donbass by Ukrainians. Any end to the war with Ukraine at a cost of human losses less than 5 million than the Ukrainians will lose is a complete and decisive victory.
              1. 0
                17 February 2025 23: 26
                Quote: gsev
                gained access to Dnieper water for water supply to Crimea.

                Well, unfortunately, this was lost after the surrender of Kherson.
                1. 0
                  17 February 2025 23: 28
                  Quote: guest
                  Well, unfortunately, this was lost after the surrender of Kherson.

                  The left bank is ours. We'll just have to pump water up to 50 meters.
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2025 23: 30
                    Quote: gsev
                    You'll just have to pump the water up to 50 meters.

                    Not a cheap pleasure, especially when the enemy is shelling from the other side.
                    1. 0
                      17 February 2025 23: 34
                      Not a cheap pleasure, especially when the enemy is shelling from the other side.[/quote]
                      It’s just that after the very first shelling, thermonuclear mushroom clouds of ground explosions should rise over Lvov and Stanislav.
                      1. 0
                        17 February 2025 23: 38
                        And again, this game is number two, we will forever be responsible for their terrorist attacks, but it seems that preventing them is not in our destiny.
                      2. 0
                        17 February 2025 23: 56
                        Quote: guest
                        And again, this game is number two, we will forever be responsible for their terrorist attacks, but it seems that preventing them is not in our destiny.

                        It's easy to prevent. A luxury tax (Siemens, Omron, Schneider brands, and all the Western junk). Then the West simply won't have any extra money to support Ukraine. And without external pumping, they wouldn't dare to play Russophobia. As long as we sell uranium and timber not to the DPRK or China, but to the USA, Finland and Bulgaria will wipe their feet on us.
                      3. 0
                        18 February 2025 00: 29
                        Well, we shouldn’t overestimate our influence on their economy; unfortunately, it’s minimal.
              2. 0
                18 February 2025 09: 33
                It is in the process of the SVO that the Russian population is being physically destroyed. People began to be killed en masse after the creation of the DNR, LNR, the seizure of Crimea, and especially after the beginning of the SVO. Before these events, this had not happened.
                1. -1
                  18 February 2025 11: 52
                  Quote: Lumberjack
                  This had not happened before these events.

                  Russia suffered the greatest human losses due to Yeltsin's rule. The oppression of Russians in Ukraine began in 1991. It was since 2014 that armed resistance has reduced the death toll of Russians several times. Any war against Nazism is less bloody than submission.
      8. -2
        16 February 2025 19: 05
        I remember a program from about 2000, where one of the political scientists (Privalov, I think) said: Moscow is related to
        independent Ukraine as a temporary phenomenon. At that time, many probably perceived it as a mistake. But here's how it turned out...
      9. -2
        17 February 2025 03: 37
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        What matters is that it is profitable usIt is beneficial that 404 does not remain and is remembered for centuries.

        YOU -- who is this? The armchair hurray-patriots? Then I agree. But! A full-fledged victory without millions of losses on our part is UNREAL! Do the Russian people need millions of losses? As a representative of this people, I do not and once again NO! Understand one simple thing: One MERCHANT state will not be able to defeat a more powerful coalition of other mercantile states! Therefore, the author of the article is absolutely right in stating:
        Russia does not have the strength and resources for a complete victory over Ukraine, and Moscow understands this perfectly well.

        But many forum hurray-patriots stubbornly act stupid, repeating the mantra 100500 times, "Ukraine must disappear!"
        Ukraine will remain, and let it keep its name. We cannot leave the myth of Ukraine as their nationalistic paradise to the Banderites. Let Ukraine ultimately become anti-Banderite, then the ground will collapse under the Nazis' feet. And to make Ukraine such, peacefully, is entirely within the power of the Russian leadership, if only there were political will.
        1. 0
          17 February 2025 14: 35
          Quote: MBRBS
          And to make Ukraine like this, peacefully, is entirely within the power of the Russian leadership, if only there was political will.

          What do you have to smoke to write something like that? Ukraine that becomes a member of the EU will be completely and irrevocably Russophobic. Even if Russia has the will, it will never be able to change this, especially not in a peaceful way.
          1. 0
            17 February 2025 23: 32
            Quote: guest
            Even if Russia had the will, it would never be able to change this, especially not in a peaceful way.

            It is enough to simply stop buying Siemens and Schneider electronics and switch to Xinje and Wecon, which are 4 times cheaper. You can immediately reduce energy sales by 4 times. And not only Ukraine, but also Europe and Germany will deflate.
            1. 0
              17 February 2025 23: 36
              Although I support these proposals, albeit perhaps with certain amendments, this will not change the West's hostility towards us. A Ukraine that will finally become part of the West will be even more hostile than it is now.
              1. 0
                17 February 2025 23: 41
                Quote: guest
                but this will not change the West's hostility towards us.

                The West has been hostile to Russia since the emergence of the Russian state or since the first Viking campaign. Hostility will always exist. It is simply not necessary to cultivate this hostility by supplying raw materials to hostile countries as Stalin did before World War II and later Brezhnev did after receiving oil.
                1. 0
                  17 February 2025 23: 44
                  Personally, I am in favor of completely cutting off the supply of raw materials to our enemies, but this will still not affect the level of their hostility.
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2025 23: 58
                    Quote: guest
                    it still won't affect their level of hostility.

                    This will affect their level of capabilities.
                    1. 0
                      18 February 2025 00: 27
                      Quote: gsev
                      This will affect their level of capabilities.

                      Of course, this will deprive them of the tools of economic terrorism, but it still will not ensure our complete security.
                      1. 0
                        18 February 2025 06: 39
                        Quote: guest
                        will not ensure our complete safety.

                        No one can achieve complete security. Al Qaeda demolished 2 towers in New York, Trump is going to annex Canada and Greenland when they send all their weapons to Ukraine.
          2. -1
            18 February 2025 10: 32
            To make Ukraine Russophobic, you have to attack it and kill its citizens. There is no more effective way to achieve this goal. Everything else is secondary.
            1. -1
              18 February 2025 14: 17
              Quote: Lumberjack
              To make Ukraine Russophobic, you have to attack it and kill its citizens.

              You also tell me how we "attacked" Germany in 1945. Russophobic slogans were still heard on the Maidan so much that there is no need to shift the blame from the sick to the healthy.
          3. 0
            19 February 2025 05: 00
            Quote: guest
            Ukraine that becomes a member of the EU will be finally and irrevocably Russophobic.

            And after the destruction of regional centers, including the left-bank ones, will it, in your opinion, become more pro-Russian? And it is not a fact that Ukraine will be accepted into the EU at all. It is too dangerous in economic terms for some other countries producing agricultural products.
            1. 0
              19 February 2025 13: 21
              Quote: MBRBS
              And it’s not a fact that Ukraine will be accepted into the EU at all.

              They said the same thing about visa-free travel, but as we can see, the EU is ready to do anything for the sake of Russophobia.
      10. Fy;
        +1
        17 February 2025 17: 18
        But there is no strength for this. So it's all just dreams.
        The main thing is Russian and pro-Russian people, not lands. But with the support of people - the country has very big problems...
        1. -1
          17 February 2025 23: 47
          Quote: Fy;
          The main thing is Russian and pro-Russian people, not lands.

          We should support not Russians but those who work or strive to work. In my circle there are a lot of parasites who have not worked a day for at least 5 years. All benefits should be given on the condition that a person brings benefit to society and does not sit at home and have sex giving birth to children. Lukashenko introduced a tax on parasites. We can introduce a tax on unemployed men and on unemployed childless women. I would also introduce differential income for the self-employed with a progressive scale.
          1. Fy;
            0
            19 February 2025 07: 30
            It’s clear - you propose to support the Tajiks and Uzbeks.
            1. -1
              19 February 2025 08: 32
              Quote: Fy;
              It’s clear - you propose to support the Tajiks and Uzbeks.

              I work in electrical engineering. Partners producing mechanics: Moldovan, Tatars, Uzbek. This refers to people who can do something original and complex. Without them, I will be left without work. In addition, Russia is a multinational country and dividing its citizens by nations with different rights is very fraught with unpleasant if not catastrophic consequences. But the state should encourage those who are useful to society as well as punish harmful elements. In Russia, vagrants and idlers were forced to regularly move, exiling them from one area to another. Otherwise, antisocial personalities will breed, not workaholics.
              1. Fy;
                +1
                19 February 2025 14: 22
                Russia is a multinational country
                - don't make things up, it's not a "multinational country" - but a country where many nationalities live, but the state-forming people in Russia are one and only - the Russians.
                I do electrical work
                - So what? I'm not interested.
                Partners
                - I'm not interested in your partners either.
                This refers to people who can do something original and complex.
                - the lumpen Russophobes, the radical Islamists from Central Asia who are flooding the country, can do anything more difficult than toiling away at a construction site??? Really??? Those of them who can do something have long ago found themselves in their homeland or in Europe. Those who go to the Russian Federation are mainly those who have not come to terms with the ban on niqabs and Wahhabism at home!
                and the division of its citizens into nations with different rights
                - and no one is suggesting dividing its citizens. The point is that Russian citizenship should be granted first of all to Russians - in a simplified manner, faster and easier than to other applicants for Russian citizenship. And all citizens of the country - of course, should be equal in rights, regardless of nationality!
                And don't tell any lies that simplifying the process of obtaining citizenship for the nation-forming people is supposedly "Nazism" - there are a lot of countries in the world that have simplified the process of obtaining citizenship by "right of blood" - based on belonging to the titular nation - from Israel to Belarus, from Serbia to Japan, and somehow no one accuses them of "Nazism".
                1. -1
                  19 February 2025 18: 48
                  Quote: Fy;
                  - the lumpen Russophobes, the radical Islamists from Central Asia who are flooding the country, can do anything more difficult than toil at a construction site???

                  A Tajik friend of mine started out as a construction worker, then sold airplanes to millionaires. Later, he built the best carpentry factory in the region in Dushanbe. His customers include all the CIS presidential administrations from Putin to Aliyev. Now he probably designs and produces more complex things. Uzbekistan has organized the production of fabrics and cars quite well. Kyrgyzstan is a very important supplier of clothing to Russia. The fact that most Uzbeks and Tajiks in Russia are laborers is only because turners and other machine operators in South Korea earn more than in Russia, so skilled Uzbeks go to other countries rather than to Russia. By the way, why do you think that I am not for simplified issuance of Russian citizenship to ethnic Russians? In this case, I am precisely for making it as easy for Russians to obtain Russian citizenship as it is for Jews to obtain Israeli citizenship. It's just that when Jews move to Israel, they 100% have to serve in the army and 100% work hard. This is the problem of Volodin and Bastrykin, that one passed laws, and the other implements them, so that radical extremists live more comfortably in Russia and not in Central Asia.
    2. +12
      16 February 2025 09: 38
      I wonder how long it will take Putin to understand that all of Trump's proposals are a one-sided game and that we are substitutes in this field? When everything goes "not according to plan", when our cities continue to be shelled with drones and missiles, which is inevitable, will the government make a laughing stock of itself, and continue to complain to the UN about the lawlessness of Ukraine?
      1. +18
        16 February 2025 10: 22
        Therefore, the negotiations will be lengthy.
        And it looks like their outcome will not please many people in Russia.
        1. +11
          16 February 2025 14: 19
          Quote: U-58
          And it looks like their outcome will not please many people in Russia.

          We must be realistic. The result that would be pleasing had to be forged on the battlefield. In the absence of significant and media victories, with the sluggish current progress, hoping for something more than there is is ridiculous. Not to lose the current one. In my opinion, the danger is different. The US can promise anything and sign almost any agreement. At the same time, Europe will not make any concessions. It will turn out that we will give America something, but in fact, we will not receive anything in return. The US can supply everything that they supplied to Ukraine, Europe, and they will again supply Ukraine. Trump is an excellent businessman, he will receive something from us, without giving or doing anything.
          1. +16
            16 February 2025 19: 17
            Quote: qqqq
            it had to be forged on the battlefield

            It should have been forged in the Kremlin, not to steal the budget for state defense orders completely, not to put kleptomaniacs and incompetents in leadership positions, not to take all the extra money abroad, not to drain money for import substitution over and over again to the same thieves.
            1. Rtu
              +1
              17 February 2025 09: 06
              That's right. Before "forging victory on the battlefield" it was necessary to forge industry and, most importantly, to forge the unity of society. But unity can only be created around ideology. Where is it? That's why we are floating like a log downstream.
              1. 0
                17 February 2025 14: 28
                You can forge industry without ideology. What ideology do the South Koreans have? It's just that if the leaders are incompetent but loyal kleptomaniacs who get away with any kind of slack, then there will be no benefit from any ideology.
              2. 0
                17 February 2025 23: 26
                Quote: Rtu
                But unity can only be created around ideology.

                The unity of a parasite with a worker is more dangerous than the lack of unity in society. It was the SVO that made the work of an engineer, a programmer, a little more attractive than the position of an office plankton.
                1. Rtu
                  -2
                  18 February 2025 10: 11
                  I understand that the Unified State Exam alone is not enough for future life. But it is not your fault that the school curriculum is so flawed. The plan is, apparently, for independent additional education. Without any trolling:

                  WHO TO BE?
                  Vladimir Mayakovsky

                  My years are growing,
                  there will be seventeen.
                  Where to work for me then,
                  what to do?
                  The workers needed are carpenters and ... / t d/
                  ===

                  After turning over the book, take note - all works are good - choose to your taste!
                  November 1928, XNUMX

                  And the connection between profession and ideology is the same as between square and smoked.
        2. +2
          16 February 2025 15: 05
          It's not our first time. Like it or not...
      2. 0
        17 February 2025 04: 58
        Thrifty, and do you think that one trading state (Russia) can defeat a coalition of other trading states (Ukraine + USA + NATO)?
        Putin understands everything: if "like a fool", at once, with small losses, it was not possible to take Kyiv, then now it will only take a very long time, very expensively and extremely, extremely bloodily. For some reason, some forum members do not understand the current realities.
      3. 0
        17 February 2025 23: 51
        Quote: Thrifty
        Are we substitutes on this field?

        Why spare? Putin simply keeps the DPRK under sanctions, prohibits the sale of flour abroad directly to, for example, Afghanistan and Iran, and encourages Turkey, which defeated our ally Assad, with the opportunity to buy Russian grain and sell the flour made from it to the same Iran and Afghanistan.
    3. man
      +4
      16 February 2025 11: 00
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      It is in Trump's interests to end the war - he needs to develop Ukrainian deposits, i.e. plunder resources, and then Iskander might accidentally fly in... belay

      I am very concerned about the issue of the introduction of American troops to protect "their Ukrainian" deposits. This cannot be allowed...
      1. +4
        16 February 2025 15: 07
        Is this really what worries you the most? You are a happy person - you are in the clouds and do not even imagine that earthly problems are somewhat cast....
        1. man
          +1
          16 February 2025 20: 44
          Quote: Kasatik
          Is this really what worries you the most? You are a happy person - you are in the clouds and do not even imagine that earthly problems are somewhat cast....

          Yes, I am very concerned that American missiles could be installed almost within walking distance. And I am not worried about myself, instant death suits me very well smile Now I understand the meaning of the lines from the old Soviet song "and I also wish you, if death, then instantaneous...". Although, in principle, I'm in no hurry smile
          1. 0
            17 February 2025 09: 18
            Quote: mann
            Yes, I am very concerned that American missiles may be installed almost within walking distance. And I am not worried about myself, instant death suits me very well. Now I understand the meaning of the lines from the old Soviet song "and I also wish you, if death, then instantaneous...". Although, in principle, I am in no hurry

            And don't the missiles in the Baltics, Finland, Poland, Georgia and the ocean seas all around scare you? And with the end of the treaty banning short- and medium-range missiles, all this flies to all major cities of Russia in 5-10 minutes winked
            1. man
              0
              18 February 2025 14: 26
              And don't the missiles in the Baltics, Finland, Poland, Georgia and the ocean seas all around scare you? And with the end of the treaty banning short- and medium-range missiles, all this flies to all major cities of Russia in 5-10 minutes
              There are no American assets in the ones you listed...
    4. +1
      16 February 2025 14: 00
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      It is in Trump's interests to end the war - he needs to develop Ukrainian deposits, i.e. plunder resources, and then Iskander might accidentally fly in...

      Here is the picture that has been drawn. Trump wants to take the Ukrainian deposits that have not yet fallen under our troops. We are not particularly going to share either... and we are taking the territories of the regions joining the Russian Federation along with the population. Only under our leadership will the resources of the occupied regions be used to restore them. A question for the Ukrainians - do you understand who you are fighting with and for what? An important factor for decision-making - the regions that have gone to Russia will not pay off the national debt that has accumulated in Ukraine!!!! Why Trump needs peace in Ukraine, he will not say directly... We will guess much later... Perhaps. But the EU will sabotage the peace process by all means. In any case, so far they do not hide it in their speeches from the podiums of various kinds.
      1. 0
        17 February 2025 05: 07
        Quote: Hagen
        An important factor for decision-making is that the regions that have gone to Russia will not pay off the state debt that has accumulated in Ukraine!!!!

        Not necessarily. For example, we seize/destroy property, say, Indian. They sue us. I don't think Putin will just tell them to go to hell.
    5. 0
      16 February 2025 14: 13
      Ukrainian resources are fake.
      1. -5
        16 February 2025 15: 34
        The Americans are holding on to Syrian oil, while Right-Bank Ukraine is "a hundred times richer." Again, it should feed not all of America, but a group of influential American politicians.
    6. 0
      17 February 2025 18: 18
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      It is in Trump's interests to end the war - he needs to develop Ukrainian deposits

      Today I spoke with knowledgeable people. It turns out that after purchasing European companies, the Americans expel Russian-speaking employees from there. Hence the conclusion that the US is more hostile in the long term than the Ukrainians are to Russians. The same people assured that the Ukrainians left the Russian market, but the Ukrainians simply closed the old company and opened a new one.
  2. +58
    16 February 2025 05: 18
    All this will be presented as a "great victory". They will hold a parade of victors, hand out tons of orders and medals, new field marshals will appear... Thousands will return home and as usual, "we will open rehabilitation centers...", "for the accessibility of urban infrastructure for the disabled,..." has been allocated, "a criminal gang of veterans has been detained...", "a disabled veteran who could not leave his apartment for a year committed suicide because...", etc. And in city administrations, the typical phrase in response to an appeal will be the unshakable for centuries: "I did not send you there!"
    1. +34
      16 February 2025 05: 32
      All this will be presented as a "great victory". They will hold a parade of victors, hand out tons of orders and medals, and new field marshals will appear.
      You, colleague, have completely forgotten about the amnesty that will be announced on the occasion of the victory. However, something tells me that Strelkov and his ilk will not be included in the amnesty, well, that's why they are extremists laughing
      1. +17
        16 February 2025 06: 30
        Quote: DVostok-2
        completely forgot about the amnesty that will be announced on the occasion of the victory

        The zones are empty, who should be amnestied? If we declare an amnesty, then the Federal Penitentiary Service will have to be dispersed. No more than 25-30% of the pre-esvo time remains in the zones. Of course, after the "peace" some of those who sat there and were recruited will return back, but given that the police are in total disarray (many do not even imagine the true scale) their number will be small.
        And Strelkov and others will of course sit. The same Strelkov has zero chance of getting out, he will die of an apoplectic stroke while sewing mittens...
    2. +7
      16 February 2025 06: 18
      I really hope that it won't happen. What you described is a strategic defeat for Russia, the collapse of Putin and possibly a bloody civil war and turmoil in Russia, even more terrible than in 1918-1922.
      1. +35
        16 February 2025 06: 23
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        this is a strategic defeat for Russia, the collapse of Putin and possibly a bloody civil war and turmoil in Russia

        Come on... They'll swallow it like they did before. They swallowed the same retirement age and didn't choke.
        1. +22
          16 February 2025 08: 08
          Quote: Puncher
          Come on... They'll swallow it like they did before. They swallowed the same retirement age and didn't choke.

          That's for sure. Well, here Believe it or not
          Russian President Vladimir Putin is trusted by 78,3% of the country's citizens. This is evidenced by the data of a social survey conducted by the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VTsIOM), published on the organization's website on February 14.
          At the same time, the approval rate for the president’s performance is 75,5% (minus 0,5 percentage points over the week).
          So that it doesn't stand out so much, only the minuses. 0,5% - All is well, beautiful marquise,
          Things go well and life is easy.
          Not a single sad surprise
          Except for a trifle!... - I wonder if VTsIOM itself believes such data? Although and in fact, I have met people who believe everything the president says. How good it is to live in a world of pink ponies!
          1. +11
            16 February 2025 08: 18
            Somehow their propaganda is not coordinated. On the one hand, they say that we are living better and better. On the other, all the country's TV channels say that it's time to eat insects.
          2. +28
            16 February 2025 08: 26
            They write that Assad had 90% support (according to VTsIOM and Levada Center, apparently), and how much did that help him?
            1. +12
              16 February 2025 10: 26
              Comrade Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti had 98% in the last elections.
            2. +1
              16 February 2025 17: 29
              Quote: fiberboard
              They write that Assad had 90% support (according to VTsIOM and Levada Center, apparently), and how much did that help him?

              Bearded terrorists are not interested in poll results.
          3. +23
            16 February 2025 08: 40
            Well, VTsIOM has two versions of the poll, but the propaganda doesn't mention the second one. To the question - which politician do you trust the most - only 2-35% are for the "leader", and a year ago it was 38%. This is closer to the truth.
            And unfortunately, propaganda has created tens of millions of "North Koreans" who madly adore the "leader" but are unable to adequately answer - why?
          4. +8
            16 February 2025 09: 21
            Quote: Unknown
            So that it doesn't stand out, only 0,5% in minuses - All is well, beautiful marquise,

            All these polls are worth 0 kopecks. Ceausescu was also supported by almost all Romanians. And he is not the only one.
            Quote: Unknown
            How good it is to live in a world of pink ponies!

            People simply don't want to change anything, they hope that someone will do everything for N. On the one hand, this is good for Putin, on the other hand, it is clear that no one will stand up for him. The deep people will accept anyone who replaces him. Even a hypothetical Navalny, even a hypothetical Prigozhin.
          5. man
            +1
            16 February 2025 11: 17
            I wonder if VTsIOM itself believes such data? Although, in fact, I have met people who believe everything the president says. How good it is to live in a world of pink ponies!
            It's just that there are still many people in the country who had nothing to feed their children with in the 90s... It's not surprising that they are afraid of radical changes...
      2. +31
        16 February 2025 07: 34
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Putin's collapse and possible bloody civil war and turmoil in Russia

        What are you saying! They will carry him in their arms! And they will write books about him, what a hero-conqueror he is, a gatherer of lands. And about how he saved the country, which was at the last line... He will be a saint! They will do it. And easily. There will be no dissenters actively expressing their opinions. After all, no one wants to go visit Strelkov! That's how it will be.
        1. +21
          16 February 2025 08: 01
          Yes, the level of trust in the Russian government can be seen in the comments.
          1. +9
            16 February 2025 09: 22
            Quote: saigon
            Yes, the level of trust in the Russian government can be seen in the comments.

            He's not on the barricades, he's in the comments. What's there to be afraid of comments...
            1. +9
              16 February 2025 10: 12
              What is there to be afraid of comments...

              Until then, until then. Augusto Pinochet thought so too, but his "comrades" used the failure of the referendum (which he tried to hide) to overthrow him. Sign the result! - they ordered him, and he was forced to obey.
            2. +6
              16 February 2025 10: 15
              Well, if you constantly write in the comments "Carthage must be destroyed", then Carthage will be offended.
              1. man
                +2
                16 February 2025 11: 20
                Quote: Gardamir
                Well, if you constantly write in the comments "Carthage must be destroyed", then Carthage will be offended.

                The insult did not help Carthage much.
        2. +8
          16 February 2025 10: 28
          And then a few years will pass... and the historical assessment may change, as happened with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
          1. man
            +2
            16 February 2025 11: 28
            Quote: U-58
            And then a few years will pass... and the historical assessment may change, as happened with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

            It also happened the other way around. Stalin and Brezhnev...
            1. +2
              16 February 2025 12: 48
              And what's the opposite?
              During his lifetime, the assessment was known.
              Over the years, she changes.
              There is nothing the other way around.
              1. man
                +2
                16 February 2025 20: 08
                During his lifetime, the assessment was known.
                What does this have to do with life... "The big things are seen from a distance"
          2. +3
            16 February 2025 17: 32
            Quote: U-58
            The historical assessment may change, as happened with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

            And how their assessment changed, it was always negative.
          3. Rtu
            -3
            17 February 2025 09: 17
            But nothing has changed. People considered both of them scumbags 30 years ago and still do.
        3. man
          +3
          16 February 2025 10: 33
          What are you saying! They will carry him in their arms! And they will write books about him, what a hero-conqueror he is, a gatherer of lands. And about how he saved the country, which was at the last line... He will be a saint! They will do it. And easily.
          If he had left in time, having prepared a worthy successor, then it would have been so. Because, in his time, he really "saved the country, which was at the last line."
          1. +8
            16 February 2025 12: 16
            Quote: mann
            Because, at one time, he really did “save the country, which was at the last line.”

            Not at all. I don't think so. In 2000, we already had stability. All he had to do was maintain it. Which is what he did for many years.

            If there is anyone to thank for pulling us out of the hole (default) in the 90s, it is the government of professional statists Primakov-Maslyukov-Gerashchenko. But the oligarchs howled and Stepashin was put in their place, and then Putin. And our oligarchs began to multiply and proliferate like yeast!
            1. man
              +2
              16 February 2025 19: 57
              In 2000, we already had stability. All he had to do was maintain it. Which is what he did for many years.

              If there is anyone to thank for pulling us out of the hole (default) in the 90s, it is the government of professional statists Primakov-Maslyukov-Gerashchenko. But the oligarchs howled and Stepashin was put in their place

              You said almost everything correctly, but you arranged the events in some tricky way. smile Indeed, Primakov's government pulled the country out of default, but after its replacement, stability disappeared, including due to Basayev's attack on Dagestan. Stability returned just after Putin was appointed prime minister and acting president. The standard of living of the population began to rise every year, especially after Kasyanov's dismissal, and even the global crisis of 2008 did not actually affect Russia. This continued until 2014...
              We must remember the good too...
              1. 0
                17 February 2025 18: 27
                Quote: mann
                This continued until 2014...
                We must remember the good too...

                The salary of engineers and simply the demand for their work has only become apparent in the last 2 years. In my opinion, Putin's policy has only just begun to bring real success. But in pure trade, there is certainly a decline. There is no longer an opportunity to simply sell Siemens products without bothering with either translation or technical description of the product being sold. Selling Chinese products, you can earn the same money, but you will have to provide technical support for the products yourself. Therefore, you either hire economists from the Higher School of Economics and cannot sell anything at a profit, or you hire engineers and the profit goes to their salaries.
                1. man
                  0
                  18 February 2025 14: 42
                  The salary of engineers and simply the demand for their work has only become apparent in the last 2 years. In my opinion, Putin's policy has only just begun to bring real success.
                  This also makes me happy, but we were talking about the standard of living of the population...
          2. +4
            16 February 2025 19: 22
            Quote: mann
            If he had left in time, having prepared a worthy successor, then it would have been so. Because, in his time, he really "saved the country, which was at the last line."

            and now he is heroically bringing it back to that line. But he will be a hero who did not let the country get dragged into the third world war and agreed to just break it up a little
            1. man
              0
              18 February 2025 14: 47
              Quote from alexoff
              Quote: mann
              If he had left in time, having prepared a worthy successor, then it would have been so. Because, in his time, he really "saved the country, which was at the last line."

              and now he is heroically bringing it back to that line. But he will be a hero who did not let the country get dragged into the third world war and agreed to just break it up a little

              But this does not cancel out his past merits. I am for objectivity.
              1. 0
                18 February 2025 16: 03
                Past merits do not help much to ignore the zeroing of the results of these merits
                1. man
                  0
                  18 February 2025 17: 28
                  Quote from alexoff
                  Past merits do not help much to ignore the zeroing of the results of these merits

                  That's why I said: "If I had left in time..."
          3. Rtu
            -3
            17 February 2025 14: 36
            If only grandma had a device, then it WOULD be grandpa.
            Apparently you don't want to remember that before VV came to power, Russia had already ceased to be a single state - the regions introduced their own currencies, created armies, introduced their own laws that contradicted the Federal Law. There were 2-3 terrorist attacks per month, discussions about borders were in full swing, i.e. how many parts to dismember Russia into (from 7 to 30).
            And VVP stopped all this. And, most importantly, without a civil war, i.e. without much bloodshed. And he will also successfully solve our current problems.
            1. man
              0
              18 February 2025 14: 35
              Quote: Rtu
              If only grandma had a device, then it WOULD be grandpa.
              Apparently you don't want to remember that before VV came to power, Russia had already ceased to be a single state - the regions introduced their own currencies, created armies, introduced their own laws that contradicted the Federal Law. There were 2-3 terrorist attacks per month, discussions about borders were in full swing, i.e. how many parts to dismember Russia into (from 7 to 30).
              And VVP stopped all this. And, most importantly, without a civil war, i.e. without much bloodshed. And he will also successfully solve our current problems.

              My comment consisted of two sentences. You only read the first.
      3. +20
        16 February 2025 08: 56
        What's true? Are there many people in the country ready to stand up for the power of Putin and his comrades? Somehow, at the end of June 2023, no one stood up. If Prigozhin and Utkin had not let themselves be talked into it, there would be a different president now. And I very much doubt that a civil war would have started in the country.
        1. +3
          16 February 2025 09: 23
          Quote: fiberboard
          And I very much doubt that a civil war would have started in the country.

          It is you who doubt, but the world's "elites" are scared.
        2. +11
          16 February 2025 10: 31
          True, they didn't stand up. August 1991 taught us. They defended the White House, carried Yeltsin in their arms and... got what they fought for.
          In 1993, among the defenders of the rebellious White House were those who defended it in 1991. Then they sat in Perm-36. Well, that wasn't for long.
        3. 0
          17 February 2025 18: 29
          Quote: fiberboard
          If Prigozhin and Utkin had not allowed themselves to be talked into it, then we would have a different president now.

          Utkin is a Nazi in some ways. He and his supporters would have many points of conflict with non-Russian citizens of Russia. And many Russians did not share all of his goals.
          1. +2
            17 February 2025 22: 24
            Rather than goals, but ideals and worldviews. However, you can't surprise anyone with Nazis now, RNE, for example, acts openly. And the number of supporters of radical nationalists is growing. I personally do not support them, many relatives died in the Great Patriotic War. But I lived in a national republic during the USSR, and then nationalist sentiments were already widespread there. But then it was suppressed. I served in the army in 1986, when there were events in Alma-Ata, the Kazakhs in the unit went crazy after that. Before the New Year, they brutally beat me in a fight. During my two years of service in the SA, I heard enough about how dirty, stupid and lazy we Russians are. Then the nineties came, and I saw women with children huddled in corners. Many of their husbands died. Very often in those "blessed" nineties, children were fed compound feed. Then Chechnya began, and I met refugees from there. Then I went to Chechnya myself. Ten years ago in 2015 I was in Moscow, and I visited again in 2023. Moscow has changed a lot, not even all taxi drivers speak Russian there. The population of the Moscow region city literally groans from foreigners. So demanding "tolerance and spiritual bonds" from me is now useless. I would rather support the radicals than be a slave to this rabble, to please those who brought them here.
            1. 0
              17 February 2025 23: 11
              Quote: fiberboard
              The population of the Moscow region city is literally groaning from foreigners.

              I know a family of non-Russians, where half of the men died in the SVO, where the women fought in Chechnya, and when she thought about whether she should go to the SVO at 50, she was offered a million to the Russian boss for a referral to a cushy place. This place turned out to be Chasovy Yar. It seems that after six months the bribe-taker lost his job.
              1. +2
                18 February 2025 05: 22
                I also have many non-Russian friends fighting in the North-Eastern Military District, but it is impossible to say that they are happy with the "irreplaceable specialists" from Central Asia. You will recall the unrest in Bashkiria, the protests in Yakutia against migrants. In Tuva, it was only recently possible to suppress with difficulty the protests of local youth against the "irreplaceable specialists", caused by the rape of a minor. But this does not happen in the Kremlin, which is why its "inmate" says that "the one who says that Russia is not a smart person for Russians."
                1. 0
                  18 February 2025 06: 52
                  Quote: fiberboard
                  but it is impossible to say that they are happy to have “irreplaceable specialists” from Central Asia.

                  Compared to Yeltsin's times, the bandit element has been called to order. There is a problem that the country could slide into mass repressions if you go too far. The problem is not that Russia is open to foreigners, but that parasites feel at ease in Russia against the backdrop of highly qualified specialists. (I have engineers, designers, not guest workers disguised as specialists). Oddly enough, funding Russian schools, for example in Kyrgyzstan, is often the preparation of students for study in South Korea. Some of my friends, who were C students in Moscow, entered a South Korean university using this springboard. IT specialists go to Tajikistan from Russia, and low-skilled workers go to Russia from Tajikistan.
                  1. 0
                    18 February 2025 07: 24
                    No, the problem is precisely that Russia has opened uncontrolled entry for people from Central Asia and Transcaucasia. And their number has exceeded all permissible limits. Moreover, they are already starting to dictate their conditions to the natives: New Year is prohibited, putting up a Christmas tree is prohibited, Father Frost and Snow Maiden are prohibited, eating pork is prohibited, there have already been several cases of beating male doctors in hospitals. And do they themselves observe the commandments of the Prophet? Go out and see: Allah forbade them to drink, but they drink almost openly. Only the Russian "robber element" has been called to order, and it was quickly replaced by the ethnic one. How many of these underground MMA sections are there now? And instead of funding "Russian schools in Kyrgyzstan", Putin and company should think about funding their own schools. In Khakassia, all schools and kindergartens received notice of a 5% reduction in staff.
                    1. 0
                      18 February 2025 08: 26
                      Quote: fiberboard
                      And instead of funding “Russian schools in Kyrgyzstan,” Putin and company would be better off thinking about funding their own schools.

                      I agree with you on this. The salaries of teachers and educators of kindergartens in the Russian hinterland are inadequate. In addition, children in schools often make fun of the unfortunate teachers. Afghans told me that in Canada, migrants are afraid of teachers no less than the police. The teacher questions the children weekly and for incorrect answers (daddy didn’t let them watch a trendy movie or made them wear a dress in which the girl was considered a Wahhabi) she can take the children from the family to an orphanage. I was told that teachers in Canada intimidated a famous militant who killed a lot of people in Afghanistan, that he was afraid to cross the street on a red light. On the other hand, a person who fits into Canadian society quickly climbs the social ladder. A person who sold goods from an open stall in the cold for 10 years in Russia became the owner of a car dealership in Canada in about 5 years.
                      1. 0
                        18 February 2025 12: 57
                        I don't want to go to Canada. I want to go where the Yenisei and Abakan carry their clean waters, where the Sayan spurs are and the age-old taiga rustles. But new masters of the Siberian land have already arrived here, originally from sunny Transcaucasia and Central Asia. And here they decide who, where and how much will be harvested pine nuts and fished. The Armenians, for example, have saddled the road business well (of course, with the help of Russian officials). And Deripaska became the "founder and owner" of the RUSAL company. Only the one who allowed all this is in vain hoping to remain in history as the "father of the nation", two have already remained: "the best German" and "Sverdlovsk drunkard" in the memory of the people.
      4. +14
        16 February 2025 08: 58
        "Putin's collapse and possibly"
        Putin's downfall is not a deal of his own, so impatiently awaited by all branches of power. Putin's downfall began when he began to lie to his electorate with a kind smile.
        1. +4
          16 February 2025 10: 33
          The crash began when oil fell below 100 US rubles per barrel.
      5. +4
        16 February 2025 09: 02
        a bloody civil war and turmoil in Russia, even more terrible than in 1918-1922

        as if it would not be comparable to the turmoil of the early 17th century sad
      6. +4
        16 February 2025 10: 10
        What's the problem, or is it that your neighboring countries don't let you eat in peace?
      7. +6
        16 February 2025 10: 50
        What civil war?????? We will curse on the Internet and drink vodka to relieve our grief. Fewer people will come to the next elections, but not by much.
      8. +6
        16 February 2025 18: 13
        It's surprising to read this, why Putin's collapse and civil war, to get what as a result? The attitude of the population to the SVO was shown by partial mobilization, tomorrow the Kremlin will announce that everything is finished, the population will say hurray.
      9. +3
        17 February 2025 02: 50
        After that civil war, Russia became the most powerful state entity in its entire history.
      10. +3
        17 February 2025 05: 19
        This is a strategic defeat for Russia, Putin's collapse

        FoBoss_VM, and what's wrong with the collapse of Putin's policy, if its shortcomings led to a bloodbath, instead of the victory of our "soft power" there, back in the 2000s? And the people are paying for it. After Putin, I hope truly patriotic forces will come to power.
        and possibly a bloody civil war and turmoil in Russia, even more terrible than in 1918-1922

        Why would that be? People, as always, will be understanding :)))
    3. +37
      16 February 2025 07: 16
      All this will be presented as a "great victory"
      "Having not achieved what they wanted, they pretended that they wanted what they achieved." ©
    4. +13
      16 February 2025 09: 53
      All this will be presented as a "great victory". They will hold a parade of victors, hand out tons of orders and medals, new field marshals will appear...


      You are too optimistic!

      According to the insider, Vladimir Putin agreed to temporary concessions on Ukraine after secret talks with Donald Trump. However, as the source specifies, in the Russian president's entourage these concessions are viewed exclusively as a forced measure - part of a large strategic pause necessary to prepare for a new, more decisive stage of the conflict...

      ... Putin is convinced that Trump's term will be his last, and after him a weak figure like Biden or an even more controllable politician will be brought into the White House. It is for this period that a new escalation is planned. The source emphasizes that the Kremlin views the current agreements as a deceptive maneuver - a semblance of peace, behind which a hidden mobilization of forces will begin...

      ...at the top leadership level, a preliminary plan has been developed, according to which the "breather" will last exactly as long as Trump keeps the situation under control - approximately until the end of his term. This time is supposed to be used for total rearmament, the creation of new strike groups and preparation for a war that will go beyond Ukraine.

      1. +7
        16 February 2025 11: 07
        According to an insider
        Duck.
        preparations for a war that will extend beyond Ukraine.
        If the impoverished Ukraine has not been destroyed on handouts in 3 years, then the war with other opponents will end in real defeat.
      2. +1
        16 February 2025 11: 19
        Quote: depressant
        These concessions are seen solely as a forced measure - part of a large strategic pause necessary to prepare for a new, more decisive stage of the conflict...

        There are two wills in the field. Do you hope that the other side will do nothing?
        1. +7
          16 February 2025 11: 27
          Do you hope that nothing will be done from the other side?

          Evgeny, me? I -- I hope?
          I simply gave out inside information about what those in power and in decision-making positions are hoping for.
          I would be given such an opportunity - to make decisions...
          But there is still hope that there are many of us like us, and water wears away even stone.
          1. +1
            16 February 2025 11: 33
            Quote: depressant
            I just gave out inside information.

            Of course, nothing can be denied, but I want to ask. Will we be able to? Of course, a lot can be done in four years. But I have serious doubts about the ability to do so. Thanks to the accumulated reserves, the USSR fought for three years. But these reserves are now exhausted. And there can be no talk of any surprise.
            1. +7
              16 February 2025 11: 40
              Can we do it?

              Hmmm ...
              Of course, I would like to answer:
              "The will and labor of man create wonderful wonders."
              But in our case there is no alternative - which person? Or not no alternative?
            2. +2
              17 February 2025 02: 54
              If they get into a new conflict after rearmament, it will be an even bigger mistake than the beginning of theirs.
      3. +15
        16 February 2025 12: 39
        Quote: depressant
        The source emphasizes that the Kremlin views the current agreements as deceptive maneuver

        Another cunning plan?? Maybe that's enough already? Otherwise, in the end, we'll be the only ones left deceived!
      4. +11
        16 February 2025 19: 26
        Quote: depressant
        This time is supposed to be used for
        enrichment of the next blue thieves who have sucked into the military budget, the dispersal of smart commanders and the rise of incompetents. We know how the Kremlinites prepared for the SVO, they couldn't even draw up a plan
        1. +2
          17 February 2025 07: 59
          Alexovv, hello, you shouldn't say that about our General Staff.
          in february 2022 they had a plan, but it was rewritten from the spring 2014 plan
          I used to write plans too and rarely bothered to write a new one taking into account all the information and changed circumstances.
          I took the old one, rewrote it and changed the dates
          only
          1. +2
            17 February 2025 14: 12
            The 2014 plan was different - then the army blocked the ashore military facilities and offered to go over to our side. In February 2022, the army passed by the ashore barracks. Perhaps the plan did not take into account that the map had changed fool
      5. +9
        16 February 2025 20: 34
        This time is supposed to be used for total rearmament, the creation of new strike groups and preparation for a war that will extend beyond the borders of Ukraine.
        Well, well, since 14 all they've done is rearm and create so many strike groups that we haven't been able to knock the Ukrainians out of Donbass for three years and out of Kursk Oblast for six months. This top leadership has no plans to create a Death Star, or at the very least a Star Destroyer... Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers negative
      6. Rtu
        -1
        17 February 2025 14: 45
        The next president in the US has already been designated. It is Dee Vance. And Putin knows this, of course.
    5. Eug
      +12
      16 February 2025 10: 47
      And there will definitely be an amnesty for high-ranking thieves in uniform...
    6. 0
      16 February 2025 14: 04
      Quote: Puncher
      And in city administrations, the typical phrase for addressing someone will be the unshakable one: “I didn’t send you there!”

      Yes, in the USSR this happened often. Today I don't think any official would dare to say so. There, in the administrations, there are no suicides...
      1. +1
        17 February 2025 05: 29
        Quote: Hagen
        Today I don’t think any official would dare to say that.

        He simply won't let the petitioner near him.
        1. 0
          17 February 2025 12: 25
          Quote: Puncher
          He simply won't let the petitioner near him.

          If Putin said "don't hurt my guys," then no one from the vertical will dare to oppose him.
  3. -2
    16 February 2025 05: 18
    Only we can stop the SVO, but there are no prerequisites for this. The author is probably not aware of Kellogg's plan announced yesterday. In violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, territorial concessions. No military alliances with China, North Korea and Iran. Reduction of the number of the Russian Armed Forces. And all this under the control of the United States. Only the point about corporations is missing. Kellogg allocates from six months to a year to push through the world in the American style. We are waiting for other plans - realistic for us!?
    1. +10
      16 February 2025 06: 40
      Minuses for not liking what was written? But those who downvoted haven't heard of the Kellogg plan.
      1. +21
        16 February 2025 07: 44
        Well, minuses are pouring in here if you write a disloyal comment. I got a lot of minuses here for writing that Trump will seek a break with China.... It's just that minus-writers are substances with a certain reaction - this one is against the Judas policy of the top - get going. And here the Americans went further, basically demanding capitulation. And there is no harsh reaction from Putin's government to this, so to speak, proposal...
        1. +18
          16 February 2025 09: 01
          What is not clear is that the program works, it throws minuses. This has been the practice for a long time on VO. And what kind of "tough reaction" do you want from the "Putin government"? Pashinyan is constantly rude to them, now Aliyev has joined Pashinyan. And you want a "tough reaction" from them to the Americans. Ridiculous!
          1. man
            +3
            16 February 2025 10: 46
            Quote: fiberboard
            What is not clear is that the program works, it throws minuses. This has been the practice for a long time on VO. And what kind of "tough reaction" do you want from the "Putin government"? Pashinyan is constantly rude to them, now Aliyev has joined Pashinyan. And you want a "tough reaction" from them to the Americans. Ridiculous!

            When elephants fight among themselves, mice stop bothering them
          2. +9
            16 February 2025 11: 38
            I have already become convinced that there are also purely loyal subjects here, sincerely convinced of the infallibility (or pretending to be) of Putin and Co. Proving that the blockheads in high offices cannot eat - they all think about the Motherland.
            Or do you think that there are no budget sawers here? Or those who get the sawdust. And I don't expect anything good from Putin (except resignation). But for us, the only way out of the chair is feet first. Not before.
          3. Rtu
            -2
            17 February 2025 14: 51
            But for me, on the contrary, he adds pluses for every piece of nonsense. For example, with you.
      2. man
        +1
        16 February 2025 10: 42
        Quote: Gardamir
        Minuses for not liking what was written? But those who downvoted haven't heard of the Kellogg plan.

        I've got my eye on Kellogg, but I hope this is just the beginning of a bargaining...
    2. +28
      16 February 2025 06: 51
      In violation of the Constitution, Kherson was surrendered, part of the Kursk region was occupied, and Belgorod was shelled.
      Everything will be fine, like in Syria, we won.
      1. +21
        16 February 2025 07: 28
        Comrade, forgive me, but the surrender of Kherson is presented as almost and completely a victory.
      2. +1
        16 February 2025 10: 50
        So now, what is written in the constitution is the same as what is written on the fence.
    3. +11
      16 February 2025 09: 03
      Quote: tralflot1832
      In violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, territorial concessions

      The Constitution of the Russian Federation itself, isn’t it a consequence of territorial concessions after the illegal dissolution of the USSR? wink
      By the way, does Kellogg's plan not include demands to change the Basic Law, or did our "democrats" rewrite everything correctly in the 90s under the dictation of the "master"? lol
    4. +1
      16 February 2025 09: 24
      Quote: tralflot1832
      In violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

      There's no point in bringing up this empty piece of paper.
    5. +4
      16 February 2025 12: 02
      By the way, I didn't find a word about territorial concessions and alliances in our sources. I only found it on third-party resources.
      1. +1
        16 February 2025 12: 29
        This is one case where remaining silent does not mean lying.
    6. -2
      16 February 2025 14: 07
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The author is probably not aware of the Kellogg plan announced yesterday. In violation of the Russian Constitution, territorial concessions. No military alliances with China, North Korea and Iran. Reduction of the number of armed forces.

      Kellogg said so. Who is he that we should think that this is what will be decided? He is a nobody to us.
      1. 0
        17 February 2025 09: 12
        Hagen, hello, you shouldn't underestimate the Americans
        If Kellogg said it, then Trump and his support group said it.
        1. 0
          17 February 2025 12: 20
          Quote: Ivan Kuzmich
          If Kellogg said it, then Trump and his support group said it.

          And Trump is not the "ultimate truth" either. He can "attack" in the process of presenting his position, but it also depends on the other side how this position will be assessed. This is a matter of "push" tactics, and it will be carried out by a completely different person, not Kellogg.
    7. man
      0
      16 February 2025 19: 29
      No military alliances with China, DPRK and Iran.
      I was absolutely sure that Trump would not be allowed to become president. From my point of view, his victory defied all logic... I'm trying to understand...
      Can really the ruling circles decided to deal with China first, having previously deprived it of Russia's support? It seems that Trump's victory then looks logical... I would really like to hear from sober-minded people on this matter...
      1. 0
        17 February 2025 09: 26
        Quote: mann
        I was absolutely sure that Trump would not be allowed to become president.

        You constantly forget that there are two political forces in the USA, not one like Russia.
        1. man
          0
          18 February 2025 14: 27
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Quote: mann
          I was absolutely sure that Trump would not be allowed to become president.

          You constantly forget that there are two political forces in the USA, not one like Russia.

          It is you who forget that in reality there is only one
    8. +1
      17 February 2025 00: 02
      Oh, come on. If Putin suddenly agrees to this plan tomorrow, then you and those like you will immediately find the prerequisites, and an explanation for these prerequisites, and why the Constitution can be violated in this case, and so on and so forth. Because Putin, from your point of view, cannot make mistakes, and whatever he does, is strictly for the benefit of the country.
    9. -1
      18 February 2025 06: 58
      Quote: tralflot1832
      No military alliances with China, North Korea and Iran.

      Without a military alliance with China, Russia will be crushed first, then China. Crimea and Kursk can be given away, but the alliance with China must be preserved. Otherwise, Putin will really end up like Gaddafi.
      1. 0
        18 February 2025 07: 04
        Our constitution seems to prohibit giving away territories in exchange for something. Lavrov, Nenbenzya and Ryabkov have clearly stated this in recent days. And our alliance with the PRC will not be broken by anyone, confirmed by the Presidents and heads of the Foreign Ministry. Who else do you need to confirm this? There is no one higher.
  4. -11
    16 February 2025 05: 24
    Negotiations are the most difficult part of Russian-American relations. Agreement on each point in order to reach a compromise. The main thing is that Trump saw Russia as an equal partner. This is already a lot.
    1. +1
      17 February 2025 09: 14
      Malugini, hello, I beg you as an equal partner, in the person of Russia
      Americans are the bosses, the main ones in everything
    2. +1
      18 February 2025 07: 00
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Negotiations are the most difficult part of Russian-American relations.

      Or maybe all agreements with the US always turn against Russia? Maybe we should follow the example of the DPRK and limit all relations with the West as much as possible?
  5. +34
    16 February 2025 05: 44
    The first thing to note is the absolutely incomparable hysterical reaction to Trump's call.
    How, the Master himself, called!!! Three times Hurray, the Master appointed me his beloved wife! He spoke with Putin longer than with Zelensky. This is a victory! God bless the great Trump the deliverer.
    And only Zelensky’s insidious Nazis, by shooting at themselves in Chernobyl, are trying to disrupt the prospect of a sacred truce.
    It was clear that the Russian "elites" were trying to get rid of the SVO by any means, except for a completely obvious capitulation. But that their desire to be a negotiator was so strong...
    As for the question posed by the author, is the end of the SVO near? I doubt it... Trump and his people really want a ceasefire, but their forces may not be enough to force Ukraine to a truce. Zelensky and Co. are clients of the globalists, and they and their structures (primarily the EU) are against any truce. Great Britain is also against it. There are weapons and people for another 8-9 months of war in Ukraine, so they can simply ignore Trump's wishes.
    On the other hand, Trump has nothing to offer the Russian authorities except the propaganda dummy of Ukraine not joining NATO. There is no agreement between the positions of the parties on key issues.
    1. +25
      16 February 2025 06: 20
      I'm also shocked by this. How Putin wants to be theirs, bourgeois... They throw him at the door, and he throws him at the window. hi Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
      1. +13
        16 February 2025 06: 42
        Make money, make money. But shame won't eat your eyes out.
      2. +19
        16 February 2025 07: 32
        No, he is not ashamed. Politics is a vile business and moral standards do not play a role there at all. What is called vileness and meanness in society in politics is simply the skill of a politician. In short, after the pension reform, I have no questions for him. And I never voted for him. And the world is good that the fighters will not die for the sake of our bourgeoisie. And yes, there is no need to talk about the revival of the Russian world, it does not exist in fact.
        1. man
          +1
          16 February 2025 12: 03
          No, he is not ashamed. Politics is a vile business and moral standards do not play a role there at all. What is called vileness and meanness in society is simply the skill of a politician in politics.
          Unfortunately, an honest politician almost always ends up a fool...
          1. +2
            16 February 2025 12: 30
            It's the other way around. It's not politics like that. People like that go into politics.
            1. man
              0
              16 February 2025 20: 03
              Quote: Gardamir
              It's the other way around. It's not politics like that. People like that go into politics.

              Well, or having become a politician, they study and become like that. Otherwise they end up like Gorbachev and Yeltsin...
        2. +3
          16 February 2025 18: 11
          Quote: saigon
          And it’s good for the world that the fighters won’t die for the sake of our bourgeois.

          But civilians will die, shelling of Russian territory will not stop, and the number of terrorist attacks will only increase.
      3. +8
        16 February 2025 09: 03
        They don't teach a sense of shame in the back alleys of St. Petersburg.
      4. +4
        16 February 2025 20: 50
        He's at the door, and he's at the window. Hi, aren't you ashamed of yourself?
        Reply
        Quote
        No shame. And for a long time now.
    2. +14
      16 February 2025 07: 51
      Quote: Belisarius
      The first thing to note is the absolutely incomparable hysterical reaction to Trump's call.

      And the ruble immediately strengthened miraculously from 100 to 90 rubles. To make such a strong movement, huge amounts of money are needed! And this money was joyfully provided by our elite. Bankers and oligarchs. They have great expectations!
  6. +16
    16 February 2025 05: 52
    I represent
    The military conflict in Ukraine is frozen.
    Will the Russian government announce the end of the SVO?

    What follows is even more interesting.

    How will they explain to Russian citizens that the goals of the SVO have been achieved?
    What will they do with the personnel who were on the LBS?
    Who will be held accountable for the deaths of civilians in the Kursk region?
    1. +28
      16 February 2025 05: 59
      Quote: AA17
      How will they explain to Russian citizens that the goals of the SVO have been achieved?
      The entire propaganda apparatus will be turned on and all these Solovyovs, Skabeyevs, Popovs, Simonyans and other TV trash will work hard, proving to all of us that we got even more than we wanted. However, it is still not clear on what terms the peace will be concluded.
    2. +17
      16 February 2025 06: 11
      Quote: AA17
      Will the Russian government announce the end of the SVO?
      How will they explain to Russian citizens that the goals of the SVO have been achieved?
      What will they do with the personnel who were on the LBS?
      Who will be held accountable for the deaths of civilians in the Kursk region?

      1) The SVO does not exist at all in the legal field. No Russian president has issued or could issue any decrees on the beginning of the SVO. So the character on TV said - start the SVO, he will come out and say end the SVO. That's all.
      2) Easy. Since the goals of the SVO were formulated as vaguely and ambiguously as possible, then in any outcome all these goals will be declared fulfilled. Only if Crimea has to be surrendered will the propaganda have problems. But, thank God, this is not the case.
      3) If we manage to reach a real ceasefire, most of them will be sent home after the end of the contract.
      4) A strange question. Of course no one
      So the answer to your questions is not so complicated. The problem is different. How to achieve this freezing?
      1. +3
        16 February 2025 06: 24
        Dear Belisarius.

        Your answer is clear to me. You have roughly outlined the actions of the Authorities.
        It will probably be so.

        But... how are we going to live with this?
        1. +16
          16 February 2025 06: 54
          But... how are we going to live with this?
          And how did you live before? That's how you will live.
        2. +10
          16 February 2025 08: 59
          Quote: AA17
          But... how are we going to live with this?

          How? VTsIOM will count 99,999%, we will breathe a sigh of joy and will continue to live "with a feeling of deep satisfaction". According to the principle - ..., and we are getting stronger!
        3. +1
          16 February 2025 09: 35
          "But... how are we going to live with this going forward?"
          What's your problem?
          Those who are now in the trenches, ankle-deep in water, know very well how they will live on when they return home to their families.
          And you will continue to sit on your sofa just as you were sitting there.
          1. 0
            16 February 2025 15: 14
            What's your problem?
            Those who are now in the trenches, ankle-deep in water, know very well how they will live on when they return home to their families.


            I don't have problems. I have questions.

            Right now I'm accidentally watching the show "Once Upon a Time": a story about the "Masks" Project.
            The author (woman) of the project said: (verbatim) "One of the masks costs about 2 million rubles."
            How to understand such a revelation?

            And you will continue to sit on your sofa as you were sitting there.


            To say something so harshly, do you have to be a member of the SVO?
            I'm guilty if I offended you.
            "What regiment did you serve in?" (c)
      2. +4
        16 February 2025 06: 34
        Quote: Belisarius
        The problem is different. How to achieve this freezing?

        For me, it is so important to lift the sanctions because last year was only the beginning of a terrible crisis. If they don't lift the sanctions this year, then we'll have a hard time. Prices will triple.
        1. +7
          16 February 2025 07: 35
          Prices will triple.
          Already, they have risen by one and a half times.
          1. 0
            16 February 2025 09: 13
            Quote: parusnik
            Already, they have risen by one and a half times.

            And this is not the limit.
        2. +4
          16 February 2025 19: 34
          Why should the Americans lift anything? They benefit from sanctions, and ours are ready for anything even without lifting sanctions, and are happy if new ones are not introduced.
      3. +8
        16 February 2025 08: 20
        How to achieve this freezing?
        No way. Everyone is hoping for some kind of agreement between the parties, it won’t happen, well, maybe something will happen, but it won’t have the main thing, international recognition of the annexed territories, lifting of sanctions and much more. A piece of paper about a ceasefire, nothing more. Or, nothing will happen at all, everything will be based on the word of honor of the parties, for the time being, while Trump is president. You yourself wrote “The SVO doesn’t exist in the legal field at all.” (c) Consequently, the annexed territories, including Crimea, are in the same field, no matter how much they talk about it, there was a referendum, and everything else. Nonsense, part of the union state of Belarus and Russia did not recognize the territorial additions of the union state. And no one has liquidated the Helsinki Accords, but on the contrary, they are referred to, they are even trying to be guided by them. And the UN General Assembly Resolution ES-11/1 “Aggression against Ukraine” is nowhere to be found. you can't get to where 141 states voted against Russia's SVO in Ukraine, with 35 abstentions and 5 for. We can say that so many Resolutions were adopted regarding Israel's aggressive policy, and Israel didn't give a damn about them. The US allowed them to spit on them. But they won't let Russia, especially if there is a freeze. They will slap Russia in the face with this Resolution. The end of the SVO, in any form, will mean Russia's defeat. "The war must be waged for real, or not waged at all. There can be no middle ground here." (c) And Russia, during the years of the SVO, has not yet really started to fight.
        1. 0
          16 February 2025 13: 56
          The annexation of Crimea was before the SVO, almost bloodlessly. And the status of Crimea should not be included in the agreements upon the end of the SVO!
          1. 0
            17 February 2025 09: 22
            "And the status of Crimea should not be included in the agreements on the end of the Second World War!"
            That's what you think. Zelensky has a different opinion. Trump probably does too.
        2. +1
          17 February 2025 09: 19
          "The end of the SVO, in any form, will mean the defeat of Russia"
          moreover, this will be the first step in continuing the humiliation of Russia, depriving it of sovereignty, dehumanizing Russians. then there will be the next steps, new sanctions, new traitors in the leadership, and external control, as a result. it is not very internal now, but it will be even worse
    3. +8
      16 February 2025 06: 21
      It will be hard to explain this to the men at the front. You can't pour honey into their ears there, it's not the right electorate. Tanks will be deployed to Moscow, questions will be asked, like in June 2023... Well, well. Who will stop them? Shoigu with Tsalikov, Krivoruchko and the lady with low social responsibility Shevtsova? laughing Remember how then all the elite Moscow ran away from the city, charters flew away like rats from a ship. They hid in bunkers. And there were just PMCs there. And what if it was a regular army?
      1. +14
        16 February 2025 07: 37
        Excuse me, do you think they don't want peace at the front? They do. But there are no generals capable of ACTION. And the march on Moscow is a questionable thing - a war of all against all, that's what might come out. In a word, a leak is most likely and from the screens with the blue ones they will pour all sorts of things into the ears and caps in the air.
      2. +7
        16 February 2025 07: 39
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Tanks will be deployed to Moscow, ask questions, as in June 2023...

        What other tanks? Panzerbukhankas, Zhiguli, Muscovites and donkeys.
    4. +14
      16 February 2025 06: 25
      Quote: AA17
      How will they explain to Russian citizens that the goals of the SVO have been achieved?
      What will they do with the personnel who were on the LBS?
      Who will be held accountable for the deaths of civilians in the Kursk region?

      Well, it’s as if you’re writing from distant lands!
      We have Solovyov, Tereshkova is already filling bags with letters, here on the site there will be deep analysis for those who do not understand our victory, and they will go to places not so remote, in reserve in case of continuation, critics and other foreign agents.
    5. +13
      16 February 2025 06: 37
      Quote: AA17
      Who will be held accountable for the deaths of civilians in the Kursk region?

      I assume that no one. As well as for the death of all those who did not justify the hopes of capturing everything.
    6. +11
      16 February 2025 06: 45
      They won't explain anything. They'll launch more different shows.
      The punchy ones will be raised. The rest, go quietly to whoever sent the kas.
      Zelensky is to blame for everything.
    7. +10
      16 February 2025 08: 03
      Naturally, no one will answer for the Kursk region, but from the golubtsov screen they will tell everything as it should be and in a Christmas tree.
    8. +7
      16 February 2025 08: 04
      Quote: AA17
      How will they explain to Russian citizens that the goals of the SVO have been achieved?
      What will they do with the personnel who were on the LBS?
      Who will be held accountable for the deaths of civilians in the Kursk region?

      Well, I think it won't be a problem. They've been "building" the propaganda machine for 25 years, there are loyal comrades there, they'll come up with something. They "explained" that raising the retirement age is good for Russians, and they did the right thing by retreating from Kherson and other things. request what
    9. +10
      16 February 2025 08: 55
      Quote: AA17
      How will they explain to Russian citizens that the goals of the SVO have been achieved?

      Well, listen, we won three times in Syria. And no one questions (did not question) the victory! And so it is here.
    10. +2
      16 February 2025 09: 04
      You were clearly told: "now is not the time to look for someone to blame!"
    11. 0
      17 February 2025 08: 39
      they won't explain anything
    12. 0
      18 February 2025 07: 04
      Quote: AA17
      How will they explain to Russian citizens that the goals of the SVO have been achieved?

      If the separation line allows us to preserve the land corridor to Crimea and access to the lower Dnieper, then that is a victory. Compare Russia's territorial gains under Peter the Great and under Putin by 1.
  7. -10
    16 February 2025 06: 21
    Let me repeat: wars start easily, but end... Let's remember World War I and
    World War II. There must be an unconditional Victory, but it has not yet been achieved: Europe and Ukraine are ready to continue. Therefore, I affirm the end of 2025 as an optimistic date for the end of the war. Let's keep quiet about the pessimistic option. Why? Great Britain with its age-old feud and France with the presidential elections in
    We don't agree with 2027, and the situation in Germany is not ideal for us. The black swan could be the destruction of Ze and his clique or the use of TNW, but there must be an agreement with the US on this. Simply put: we must become allies with them, like during the FDRPS. Gentlemen, a minus is not constructive criticism, but a rejection of the opponent's opinion, a call for war and thus a confirmation of my position.
    1. -3
      16 February 2025 11: 19
      Europe and Ukraine are ready to continue
      There are no soldiers sad , and there is no tradition of investing money in losers in the West. Even the conscious ones in London told me about Ukraine's real losses of 1000 per day. And in the long term - 30-40 years - according to the forecasts of Western (like Czech) scientists, Ukrainians will follow the mammoths - fertile women in the EU give birth to Germans and Poles from native men, and young men are driven out. Something like that.
  8. +13
    16 February 2025 06: 50
    By the way. At the time of the beginning of the SVO. Covid was not over. It smoothly flowed and mixed. Logically, I strongly suspect that the bourgeoisie will not let us live in peace.
    1. +2
      17 February 2025 09: 26
      "Logically, I strongly suspect that the bourgeoisie will not let us live in peace"
      naturally, either they will resurrect covid, or they will come up with a new horror story, it is not for nothing that new viruses are constantly being discovered. the atomization of society helps to reduce social tension
  9. +17
    16 February 2025 07: 07
    yes, this SVO will not end soon. Another Minsk-9 deal, then VVP will say that he was deceived once again. In Ukraine, young people will grow up brought up on the ideas of Nazism and revanchism (loss of territories), and we will not be able to oppose them with anything because we have no idea, unless you don’t be a Nazi, become a capitalist and take out a loan
    1. 0
      16 February 2025 13: 39
      youth brought up on the ideas of Nazism and revanchism
      He loves his native land from the well-fed and safe foreign lands, from where he goes into anti-networks for bloody battles. The few who are ready to really go into battle have almost completely gone to the Bandera cache in three years.
  10. +5
    16 February 2025 07: 15
    There is a simple formula that cannot be cancelled: The existence of Ukraine in the present is equal to the destruction of Russia in the future.

    And even if you negotiate and shout that there is no alternative to negotiations, nothing will change.
    1. +11
      16 February 2025 09: 05
      Well. The terrible Ukraine will destroy Russia by the mere fact of its existence. I just don't understand one thing, why, in the opinion of our patriots, Russia is something unviable. The West, the Masons, the fifth column just have to puff and spit and it's gone. And only the iron will of the patriots keeps it afloat. And whoever says that these patriots are fighting windmills is an enemy, a traitor and a cynic.
  11. +13
    16 February 2025 07: 19
    Yes, the conflict will be suspended or frozen, so that it can be defrosted later. In about five years. The annexed territories will be recognized as Russian if the US does this, but the US will not do this. Yes, with the freezing of the conflict, no one will lift the sanctions, even the US, the sanctions will be a "guarantee of peace". And Russia and Ukraine will find themselves in the position of those two bear cubs from the fairy tale who remained hungry, and the fox is well-fed.
  12. +16
    16 February 2025 07: 34
    Well, here it begins. It turns out we've already won.
    the military conflict will be stopped/frozen
    For this they killed a bunch of people and razed cities and villages to the ground? Another "explainer of victory".
    1. +11
      16 February 2025 08: 32
      Another "victory explainer".

      This is the first one, they will explain the victory to us more than once, there are plenty of other VO experts here.
      1. +4
        16 February 2025 23: 51
        I predict: Staver will have several options explaining what our victory consists of. But before that, he will publish an angry opus: "There will be no negotiations with the enemy!!!"
    2. -26
      16 February 2025 08: 48
      Glory to the Russian soldier! Glory to Russian weapons!! Glory to our president!!!

      Quote: Alexey 1970
      It turns out we have already won.

      Isn't it? It wasn't us, but Trump who started the talks and started them. Only the loser asks for mercy: "Stop, don't hit me. We're adults. Let's talk," etc.

      However, the Englishwoman insists on continuing the "banquet"...

      Quote: Alexey 1970
      A lot of people died for this

      After three years, you still haven’t understood why and for what purpose?
      1. +12
        16 February 2025 09: 05
        Quote: Boris55
        Only the loser asks for mercy: "Stop, don't hit. We are adults. Let's talk," etc.

        And how did we hit the US? They only got rich because of the SVO happily.. Trump decided to ask for mercy because of the deaths of "good guys" that he feels very sorry for? Isn't it funny to you or are you just trolling? By the way, when is the "transition to NATO borders before 1999" planned there that you promised? laughing
        1. -16
          16 February 2025 09: 39
          Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!

          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          they only got rich because of the SVO happily

          Why are they suddenly tired of getting rich? belay
          This is related to the question.
          1. -14
            16 February 2025 09: 48
            The advisor has gone blank. I'll answer myself. Everything is more prosaic, it's just that expenses are higher than income.
            Moved to plan "B" (see my comment below)
            1. +7
              16 February 2025 11: 30
              Quote: Boris55
              The advisor has gone blank. I'll answer myself. Everything is more prosaic, it's just that expenses are higher than income.

              expenses are higher than income? Are you joking again? Not to mention our 300 billion... off the top of my head.. 1. The US now earns from the EU what we used to earn.. 2. their competitor the EU has deflated greatly and continues to deflate.. 3. many companies are "moving" to the US.. 4. The US military-industrial complex is swamped with orders for the US and EU Armed Forces for many, many years..
              5. i.e. they don't really have anything else to earn - what else can they get from the situation? Almost the maximum has already been squeezed out - it's important to finish.. and yes, indeed - further support for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is an expense.. I agree with you on this, with such an interpretation..
              1. -11
                16 February 2025 11: 35
                Glory to our government! Glory to our president!!

                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                The US military-industrial complex is swamped with orders for many, many years

                Buried? That's right, buried, and there's nothing to clear it with.

                Neither the US economy nor the Western economy could withstand a local war with us on the territory of Ukraine, but our economy, yes, is "flourishing and thriving."

                They lost to us. That is why they are changing tactics from force to seduction.
                1. +5
                  16 February 2025 11: 39
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Buried? That's right, buried, and there's nothing to clear it with.

                  Neither the US economy nor the Western economy could withstand a local war with us on the territory of Ukraine, but our economy, yes, is "flourishing and thriving."

                  They lost to us. That is why they are changing tactics from force to seduction.

                  Boris, where are the facts? Where are they in your answer? I gave examples.. where are your refutations? You have not refuted ANYTHING I have written.. Do you know why? And there is nothing.. So again you have turned to "beliefs" Boris believes that everything is fine and that's it.. And he doesn't need facts for faith.. And you, even if you kill yourself on the machine, with your arguments.. It's not interesting with you.. I believe it, I don't believe it - there is no desire to play on VO.. The Russian economy has torn apart the economies of the US and the EU combined.. Damn, you have something strong...
                  1. -11
                    16 February 2025 11: 49
                    Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!

                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    Boris, where are the facts?

                    The facts are in the change of behavior tactics.
                    Their strategy remains the same - the destruction of Russia.

                    ps
                    The Russian economy is the first economy in Europe and the fourth in the world!
                    Fact. But they couldn't handle the war...

                    Thanks for the chat. Bye everyone. hi
      2. +7
        16 February 2025 09: 30
        And for what purpose?
        And Trumpusha was so scared that he couldn’t even eat. laughing
        fool

        Find yourself another clearing, honestly. There are no idiots here to consume your noodles. Do you even read the comments?
      3. +10
        16 February 2025 12: 32
        For what? Explain. Personally, I don't understand. A huge mass of our guys were wiped out, for what? Denazification - ze and his hangers-on are alive, the Nazis from Azov are alive, they are happily being exchanged, given phones. No one was hanged, no one was shot. NO ONE.
        Demilitarization is generally a myth.
        1. -2
          17 February 2025 09: 31
          TAV hello with demilitarization and denazification, I can agree with you
          Well, what about the disposal of Banderovites?
  13. +13
    16 February 2025 07: 59
    The author rightly voiced it - "... a deal..." It is highly likely, on the terms of the USA... The darkest, as usual, a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies (symbolic, if you remember "Pelosi's cookies")... It is not for nothing that Trump sings his praises, and the illegitimate one indirectly sings along (there is only one gang). It is sad, but the Russian Federation lost at the moment when it could not roll over Ukraine in three days or at least in six months... But what will have to be sacrificed for the illusory peace/truce... winked
    1. +7
      16 February 2025 08: 34
      But here's what you'll have to give up for the illusory peace/truce
      Life will become better, life will become more fun laughing
      1. +1
        16 February 2025 09: 30
        Quote: parusnik
        Life will become better, life will become more fun

        You just have to learn to smile
        1. -1
          16 February 2025 11: 02
          I actually laughed when I saw this grandfather with a forced smile, where did they train him like that?
    2. +2
      16 February 2025 11: 02
      The blitzkrieg failed when the heavy artillery of the Ukrainian Armed Forces crushed the landing force in Gostomel. The airport became unsuitable for landing the IL-76 with reinforcements. Most likely, they were expected there. And as it turned out, no one was prepared for a protracted war.
      1. +1
        16 February 2025 13: 41
        As it turned out, no one was prepared for a protracted war.
        The level of support NATO countries provided to the Ukrainian Armed Forces clearly came as a complete surprise.
        1. +3
          17 February 2025 09: 49
          "The level of support NATO countries provided to the Ukrainian Armed Forces clearly came as a complete surprise"
          The level of knowledge and skills of our generals, the lack of motivation and training of personnel, the absence of modern technology and means of communication and equipment turned out to be a complete surprise. At the demonstrative television approval before the start of the SVO, only Naryshkin tried to object. He clearly knew something back then
        2. +2
          17 February 2025 09: 50
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          The level of support NATO countries provided to the Ukrainian Armed Forces clearly came as a complete surprise.

          Because they themselves painted a picture that Ukraine is of no use to anyone. And then they themselves believed in it.
          Even when they tried to squeeze Ukraine for themselves by bribing Yanukovych, the Europeans immediately overthrew him with the Maidan, showing their interest in these territories
  14. -12
    16 February 2025 08: 08
    At the negotiations between Trump and Putin, it is desirable to have observers from the opposition parties, all those who are not in power. Maybe someone from the State Duma as a witness. So that Putin, out of the breadth of the Russian soul, does not sign anything unnecessary. Like Yeltsin in the Belovezhskaya Pushcha. But in general, it is necessary to go to the western borders of the USSR, the Russian Empire and then talk about peace. negative
    1. +12
      16 February 2025 08: 56
      Quote: V.
      observers from opposition parties

      What kind of parties are these? Directly oppositional and against the government. laughing really the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia? You can't believe "the picture" on TV..
    2. +10
      16 February 2025 09: 07
      And what "opposition parties" do we have? It is impossible to consider the branches of United Russia in the State Duma, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, A Just Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia as real "opposition parties"
      1. -6
        16 February 2025 09: 12
        All parties not in power are a priori oppositional. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is really in a situation of constant disparagement.
        Of course, no one is immune from bribery, various types of influence of the ruling party on other parties. Political struggle, you understand.
        1. +10
          16 February 2025 09: 18
          There is no "political struggle" there, but there is a "struggle at the trough". Just look and listen to what these "servants of the people" say, what laws they pass. Just look at the "interview" of Mr. Vasiliev, who directly said that they turned Russia into a garbage dump by letting in all the scum from Central Asia.
        2. +1
          16 February 2025 09: 41
          Everyone who is in the Duma is already in power. The letters in the party name do not matter. And the opposition is not recognized.
          1. -1
            16 February 2025 09: 46
            Read the election laws, who is registered in the Duma, under what conditions.
            1. +4
              16 February 2025 09: 55
              Give at least one example of compliance with the laws. Not only do they not comply with traffic rules, but also with the constitution.
              1. -9
                16 February 2025 10: 00
                Please be careful in making such statements, without specific examples it will be considered slander.
                1. +5
                  16 February 2025 10: 11
                  You are right. As an example
                  Article 14

                  1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
                  2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.

                  Whose money is used to build churches in every district of Moscow? And now mosques too? I wonder if socialism can be considered a religion?
                  1. -10
                    16 February 2025 10: 23
                    Churches and mosques are built consciously or unconsciously so that people have at least some moral principles. Unlike socialism, capitalism has no boundaries of morality and behavior. There are plenty of examples. Socialism had no need for such a mass of churches.
                    1. -6
                      16 February 2025 11: 35
                      I just didn't expect so many liberals and democrats on the site. But they are great and don't hide. I respect them.
                2. -7
                  16 February 2025 11: 50
                  What minusoids are afraid of falling into the hands of justice?
                  1. +3
                    16 February 2025 13: 27
                    Not justice, but a court. Where have you seen justice in this country?
                    1. -3
                      16 February 2025 14: 05
                      Do you have justice in your country?
      2. +3
        16 February 2025 09: 45
        What kind of "opposition parties" do we have?
        laughing,
        It turns out there is no one to vote for except United Russia? laughing
        1. +7
          16 February 2025 14: 17
          Vote? Do you seriously think that this electronic box for collecting and counting "votes" tells people the truth? The whole world collects ballots in transparent ballot boxes and then counts them in public. And only in countries like Russia does everything computer-based. And they did it in three days! But then they tell us that we are "the most democratic country in the world" and convince us of the "honesty and transparency of the elections."
          1. +3
            16 February 2025 17: 26
            The whole world collects ballots in transparent urns and then counts them in public

            Do you seriously believe that democracy is triumphant all over the world?
            So my comment is about something else. About the fact that if the opposition in Russia is a pocket one, then it is not worth voting for it? Right? If our elections are not right, then we should not go to the elections? Although, the ruling bourgeoisie in Russia acted ingeniously, did everything so that the people would lose interest in the elections.
        2. 0
          17 February 2025 09: 55
          "it turns out there's no one to vote for except United Russia"
          Did you understand that now? Only United Russia really wins, taking the masses, vote or not, all the rest are trifles, not taken into account by arithmetic
    3. 0
      17 February 2025 09: 40
      "It would be desirable for there to be observers from opposition parties at Trump's talks with Putin"
      Well, it's up to Trump to decide. laughing
  15. +3
    16 February 2025 08: 13
    It is time for the enemies of the USSR to start “changing their shoes,” “coming to their senses,” as they are very good at doing, because if for 3 years those who are against what the “leader” has arranged have been declared “enemies of the people” and “mercenaries of enemy states,” then everything is moving toward the fact that those who are for continuing this will be declared the same.
  16. +1
    16 February 2025 08: 20
    Here is confirmation of my comment about the not very soon end of the SVO: Uaraina is against and is not going to Saudi Arabia. Now let's see what music the concert will perform: USA and Russia.
    1. +2
      16 February 2025 08: 58
      Ukraine is against... Who cares about its opinion? And what can it do without help? Do you really believe that it is independent? And in Zelena's place you can't be for it, so that your radicals don't "get it over"... And so... I did what I could, but "we were deceived"
      1. -3
        16 February 2025 09: 39
        These same Banderites will continue to fight and will force the population of the outskirts. Throw in some firewood and add some gasoline, in our GV, there will be someone even without Trump (US budget). The land on a stool there, so far it does not go against the ideas of Mr. Bandera.
        1. -2
          16 February 2025 11: 23
          these same Banderites
          They'll happily rush to their families in Germany, if they're not lying in a forest belt. The latter is more likely - the ideological ones were knocked out in 3 years.
        2. +2
          16 February 2025 11: 23
          Quote: Essex62
          These same Banderites will continue to fight and will force the population of the outskirts. Throw in some firewood and add some gasoline, in our GV, there will be someone even without Trump (US budget). The land on a stool there, so far it does not go against the ideas of Mr. Bandera.

          1. Banderites are ready to die in the east of Ukraine, mainly under Bandera... but shouting about being hanged with a saucepan and dying for it are two different things... there are an order of magnitude fewer people willing (able) to actually fight...
          2. without first of all financial assistance, Ukraine will hardly be able to fight for even a year... the funds go to the Ukrainian Armed Forces (who by the way receive no less than ours), if they stop paying, the half-armies will scatter (surrender) and money maintains stability in the country - civil life requires no less money... otherwise there will be chaos - up to and including a coup...
          3. i.e. if they continue to fight, ignoring Trump's "advice"... this is to some extent in our interests... because it becomes quite realistic to see their capitulation
          1. +2
            16 February 2025 15: 05
            There are people who can provide financial assistance without Trump. He won't be able to block it, and why would he?
            In the east, it wasn't the Banderites who were killed, but the Mobiks, the same Russians. The Banderites are supporting them from behind. They fought on the front lines, in the Donbass, before the SVO, now they are at most close to the LBS in the barrier detachments. But they keep the population in fear and push their ideology into all spheres. Forget about a coup if the population doesn't have any money. They will crush any rebellion. This abscess can only be opened by external influence. And the towers don't want this, because the world of pink ponies will collapse overnight. They will have to "shave" those who have not been touched all these years. They will immediately lose the support of the formatted universal people. The apparent stability will disappear.
            1. -2
              16 February 2025 16: 01
              Quote: Essex62
              There are people who can provide financial assistance even without Trump.

              given that the US actually provides 2/3 of the aid? and even if the US "jumps off", most EU countries don't give a damn about Ukraine.
              Quote: Essex62
              In the east, it wasn't the Banderites who were killed, but the Mobiks, the same Russians. The Banderites are supporting us from behind.

              Well, they'll give in first, especially if they don't pay money, and their families at home will go hungry.
              Besides, you shouldn't think that they have a chain of Nazis behind each unit 24/7.
              Quote: Essex62
              Forget about a coup if the population doesn't have any money. They'll crush any rebellion.

              I wouldn't be so sure.. riots mostly happen because of hunger.. and in general, let's remember the 90s.. and if you also have to fight with a serious enemy at that? will you fight well?
              Quote: Essex62
              This abscess can only be opened by external influence.

              Well, we will have a great impact if the whole country is hungry, and in the end, maybe there will be foreign policy successes in Ukraine... and as I wrote above, this can only help us win completely...
              1. +3
                16 February 2025 16: 08
                Trump is only a protégé of a part of the Masons. He is not an independent figure at all. He has powers, but the framework is outlined. I will never believe that the deep ones will refuse to create tension for the main geopolitical enemy. Whether it is the Rothschilds, the Morgans, etc., they always dream of weakening and coaxing Russia.
                There will be no money from the budget, it will flow like a river from other sources.
                And you are wrong about the EU. They will never abandon Ukraine as a battering ram against us.
                1. 0
                  16 February 2025 16: 28
                  Quote: Essex62
                  I will never believe that the deep ones will refuse to create tension for the main geopolitical enemy.

                  Well, that's if they consider us their main enemy.. I have doubts about that.. So what? What are we threatening them with in fact? Ruble instead of dollar? Communism instead of capitalism? We don't threaten their hegemonic state with anything today... Unfortunately.. When there was the USSR.. it was clear then..
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2025 20: 34
                    Firstly, we are capable of blowing them off the face of the earth, even now. Secondly, the "Byzantine" feudal-bourgeois power will screw up sooner or later and socialism will return. Modernized, even more terrible for them. They understand this and do everything so that there are as few of us Russians as possible already today. That's why the Great Patriotic War will be constantly fueled on our territory. The more it kills, on both sides, the better for them. And dismemberment is generally a super task. If there's one thing they know, it's playing the long game and calculating the consequences.
                    1. -1
                      16 February 2025 22: 14
                      Quote: Essex62
                      First of all, we are able to blow them off the face of the earth, even now.

                      someone having a weapon that can kill you does not automatically make him your enemy... especially when it would simply be mutual destruction and would be unprofitable for either side...
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Secondly, the “Byzantine” feudal-bourgeois power will sooner or later fail and socialism will return.

                      it would be nice, but what makes you believe in it? just hope for the best? I am sure that it will not return.. I do not see any prerequisites.. or are they? and accordingly, if we proceed from the facts of today, then there are none.. but of course - it remains that they believe (probably) that socialism will return to us someday? to be honest, a weak reason - to see someone as the main enemy, only because he may become someone in the future.. or may not become...
                      1. 0
                        16 February 2025 22: 32
                        There are always prerequisites for establishing a fair organization of society. Maybe right now. If, for example, there is a deal and...

                        Sorry, but it's an axiom - Russia is the enemy of the West. There's nothing to discuss here. Temporarily, to their own, and very big and real benefit, they can "grit their teeth" (like Churchill in World War II) retreat from their hatred of us. But nothing more.
                      2. -2
                        16 February 2025 23: 21
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There are always prerequisites for establishing a fair organization of society. Maybe right now. If, for example, there is a deal and...

                        Well, that's what I'm talking about... the probability is 50/50, either it will or it won't... but in my opinion, it's not worth counting on anything in such situations...
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Sorry, but it’s an axiom - Russia is the enemy of the West.

                        I don't agree at all.. Russia is an enemy for the English - I agree with that.. and with the "West" in general - we have normal relations, they have been quite common in history..
                      3. -1
                        16 February 2025 23: 26
                        This is when it is profitable for them. But afterwards they always betrayed. And always, with enthusiasm, the whole crowd, visited Russia to profit. Well, and for the beatings, masochists.
                      4. 0
                        16 February 2025 23: 37
                        Quote: Essex62
                        This is when it is beneficial for them.

                        yes, in politics - all countries essentially act this way... this is normal world practice...
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And always, with enthusiasm, the whole crowd, visited Russia to profit. Well, and for the beatings, masochists.

                        that's right.. although to be fair - the next "Fuhrer" first gave the whole of Europe a beating, and only then came to Russia.. so they first got it from these Fuhrers, and then together with them from Russia.. even in some sense their logic is understandable - where else to go, if you captured the whole of Europe - the only place left is to the East, which turns out to be a mistake laughing
                      5. -1
                        17 February 2025 00: 28
                        Remind me. When did Russia violate its allied obligations?
                      6. 0
                        17 February 2025 08: 21
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Remind me. When did Russia violate its allied obligations?

                        I wasn't talking about allied obligations, but about the US and their aid to Japan, as an example of international relations.. but countries generally don't violate allied obligations, usually.. this is rare in history.. but the same non-aggression pact with Japan was denounced in 1945, when did it start to interfere? no problem.. and I don't see anything wrong with that..
                  2. +1
                    16 February 2025 22: 36
                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    when there was the USSR... then it was clear...

                    They were our enemies even before the USSR, Prilepin spoke about this in great detail in his program.
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2025 23: 05
                      Quote: guest
                      They were our enemies even before the USSR, Prilepin spoke about this in great detail in his program.

                      before the USSR, it was still English... the Americans, in general, before WW2, you could say, helped us by selling factories, etc., when Europe refused... and they didn't give a damn about another continent...
                      1. +1
                        16 February 2025 23: 07
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Americans actually helped us before WW2, you could say

                        In 1905, we were also “helped” by supporting Japan.
                      2. -1
                        16 February 2025 23: 28
                        Quote: guest
                        In 1905, we were also “helped” by supporting Japan.

                        Well, that happened too, but it's nothing personal - just business.. After all, we weren't allies and the Americans didn't take on any obligations to help the Russian Empire.. By the way, negotiations on credit were held simultaneously with Japan and the Russian Empire, but unlike the Japanese, our people didn't agree to enslaving conditions.. so unfriendly actions - yes, enemies - no..
                      3. +1
                        16 February 2025 23: 46
                        I would still recommend watching Prilepin's program on the topic of the 1905 war and the role of the USA in it; I must admit that he explained everything there better than I could.
                      4. +1
                        17 February 2025 08: 22
                        Quote: guest
                        I would still recommend watching Prilepin's program on the topic of the 1905 war and the role of the USA in it; I must admit that he explained everything there better than I could.

                        thank you, I'll watch it with pleasure hi
                      5. -1
                        16 February 2025 23: 28
                        Why not sell? They are profiteers. How is it? Nothing personal...
  17. +12
    16 February 2025 08: 23
    Not to the end, but to a deal. It's already sickening to watch federal channels. There's such an ass-licking going on there for Trump, and a gradual warming up of the soil against China.
    1. +6
      16 February 2025 08: 38
      gradual warming of the soil against China.

      Well, that goes without saying. In life, as in politics, whoever dines with a girl gets to dance with her. But after dinner with the USA, Russia will remain hungry, and will have to dance.
      1. +2
        16 February 2025 09: 45
        A huge crisis will begin if Chinese consumer goods (and not only) are cut off. It is absolutely impossible to be stingy with the inverted towers. The sanctions will not be lifted, we have nowhere to expect goods from.
        1. +5
          16 February 2025 09: 51
          The sanctions will not be lifted, and we have nowhere to expect goods from.

          Oh, it doesn't matter, we'll buy everything. laughing Why produce it then? laughing
          We are second in Europe, fourth in the world... I just don’t remember, have we overtaken Portugal in all indicators? laughing
          1. +3
            16 February 2025 10: 03
            Where can we buy it if the Chinese are offended?
            1. +4
              16 February 2025 10: 07
              In China, through third countries, not the first.. laughing
  18. +9
    16 February 2025 08: 28
    What number is this Minsk?
  19. -3
    16 February 2025 08: 34
    Most likely, at the moment, the Ukrainians are looking for a provocation like a riot - peace on the terms of the Russian Federation is not beneficial to them - after it, Ukraine will be shaken up badly. For the Russians - territory, Ukraine outside NATO: closer to victory.
  20. -6
    16 February 2025 08: 35
    "...Ah, it's not hard to deceive me!... I'm glad to be deceived myself!..."

    Quote: V. Biryukov
    Is SVO nearing completion?

    The forceful option didn't work, so we moved on to plan "B" - "Strangle the enemy in an embrace."
    Well, well. We've been there before - we know.
  21. +3
    16 February 2025 09: 35
    I wonder how long it will take to announce it to us.
    You will be surprised, but we have been deceived again!

    It's no longer a surprise...
  22. +2
    16 February 2025 09: 44
    Quote: Aristarkh Verkhozin
    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Nikolaev, Chernigov and Sumy, Poltava and Krivoy Rog, Vinnitsa, Zhitomir and Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities. This is our land, and all this will be Russia.

    Forget about the Right Bank. Discussions about Nikolaev and Odessa with Lvov are like pies for three hryvnias on the Red Square. The DPR should be taken in the administrative borders.
    Terraforming Mars with a Russian colony on it would also be good.

    Well then we expect mobilization in 5-10 years. And the losses will be significantly greater than now.
    1. +2
      16 February 2025 10: 22
      Quote from Cartograph
      And the losses will be significantly greater than now.

      I doubt that the SBU will calm down in those 5-10 years and will not continue to carry out terrorist attacks with US money...
      In short, it's not an option.
      (but for some reason there are many who are touched and ready to swallow the carrot from the USA (and it doesn’t matter that they are shouting “come to your senses, this is not a carrot”))
  23. 0
    16 February 2025 10: 06
    The main news of the last few days was the telephone conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Donald Trump, which the parties officially announced on February 12....
    ...Blah blah blah...
    ...The outlines of possible terms of peace agreements will probably become clear in the spring.

    * * *
    Who gave the start to those running ahead of the locomotive? Who commanded to harness the cart before the horse?
    They found Hottabych in the person of an elderly businessman of less than crystal-clear honesty...
    It's so easy, talk seven miles to the sky and all through the forest and wait for the yeast to start fermenting in the septic tank...
    It is only possible to demand some concessions from Russia by removing all false accusations and sanctions from it... And no one has yet been held accountable for the blown up SP... For the attempted blockade in the Baltic...
  24. +2
    16 February 2025 10: 07
    Trump expresses his position every day himself, but our president is silent. Peskov and Putin are not the same person
  25. -2
    16 February 2025 10: 08
    Putin's preliminary call to Trump in a short statement, - "Donald, if you haven't gotten our conditions and demands for NATO withdrawal from the borders of Russia and for the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine with the recognition of its regime as Nazi, as well as the recognition by America of Crimea, Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson as part of Russia, then you, Donald, don't call me" - that's the kind of call that would be understandable to all of us, dear ones. And nothing terrible would have happened if Trump hadn't called Putin for a long time, until Trump got it. And here's such joy that Trump called Putin first ... Trump hasn't gotten it yet ... So, there will be a deal ..., and those who returned from the SVO from captain to general will be quickly implanted into the herds of oligarchs and into power, so that they would also get something from this deal and so that they would keep quiet and keep their heads down.
    1. +1
      16 February 2025 10: 20
      By the way, as an example of how people change. There was one comrade, a patriot and a fighter for rights. He created a sensible party. They told him, you are a business man, let's go to power. And now that he has been pushed aside, he is ready not to fight, but to give everything to return to power.
      1. +4
        16 February 2025 10: 49
        Gardamir, it's not for nothing that Solovyov has been hanging around majors, colonels and generals on the SVO fronts every week for a long time now. He sniffs out and explains what awaits you after the SVO, some business, some power structures - just wish that the current ones like it ... So we know about Solovyov, because he advertises himself on TV every Sunday with his voyages to the SVO. And how many more incognito voyages from you and me - I suspect, starting with Kirkorov and Baskov and ending with Zatulin and Kalashnikov. In my opinion, Baskov was even recently awarded an order in the Kremlin ...
        1. +8
          16 February 2025 12: 46
          In my opinion, Baskov was even recently awarded an order in the Kremlin...

          The Yeltsin Center was opened in a mansion in Moscow, somewhere on Nikitskaya
  26. 0
    16 February 2025 10: 17
    If we talk about our conditions that were officially announced, then the Americans most likely will not agree to them. The rest of the compromise conditions will all be with a minus sign for the Russian Federation, to put it mildly. And not what it was for.
  27. -5
    16 February 2025 10: 20
    In the conditions of a positional war, when the front line at best moves 300-400 meters per month, achieving a military victory is almost impossible

    Let's assume a marine landing in Odessa.
    Breakthrough through Belarus where there are fewer forces/fortifications.
    And now there are colossal advances.
    And you can also declare mobilization suddenly.

    Maybe all this is impossible if you play with your hands tied behind your back, but if you do it normally...
    1. +4
      16 February 2025 16: 58
      Let's assume a marine landing in Odessa

      How are you going to supply it?
      Our Black Sea Fleet is afraid to go near Crimea! Not to mention Odessa...
      Breakthrough through Belarus where there are fewer forces/fortifications

      As far as I understand, Belarus has no right to vote here, right?
      Because it is unlikely that Belarusians want their country to be involved in the SVO more than it already is.
      Why? Because in case of failure (like in Volchansk/Liptsy) they will start to be hit the same way as Russia.
      And besides, they already had a rail war in 22, I wouldn’t want to start it again.
      And you can also suddenly declare mobilization

      Are you sure that we will be able to equip them, train them, arm them, etc.?
      Our current group is partially supported through various funds and other organizations.
  28. +1
    16 February 2025 10: 29
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    Putin's collapse and possible bloody civil war and turmoil in Russia


    And books will be written about him, what a victorious hero he is, a gatherer of lands.

    You're late...) the book is already here and it's selling like hot cakes.
  29. BAI
    0
    16 February 2025 10: 36
    There has been a change in the political elites in the US who are committed to dialogue with Russia

    The US elites are changing, the US course remains unchanged - world domination.
    I would have no illusions about Trump.
    When something (or everything) doesn't go according to his plan, there will be a serious escalation of the situation.
    1. -12
      16 February 2025 11: 27
      Glory to the Russian soldier! Glory to Russian weapons!! Glory to our president!!!

      Quote: BAI
      US Elites Change, US Course Remains Unchanged

      It is not the elites that change, but their managers - called presidents. The term of a manager is limited to four years, because if he does not satisfy the elite, he could be replaced by another or the previous one could be left. Well, and if it is really necessary, then only a bullet...

      This is the main difference between our president and theirs. Our president depends little on the elite. Theirs - completely. Therefore, their course remains unchanged. Only the tactics of achieving the goal change.

      Now there is a change in tactics from force to seduction, but the goals are the same...
      1. +7
        16 February 2025 12: 39
        Quote: Boris55
        Our president depends little on the elite.

        Come on!
  30. +1
    16 February 2025 10: 42
    If we assume that both Biden and Trump "won" the election according to the previously approved plan, everything falls into place.
    Biden had the task of "organizing" the SVO with the following goals - to economically "lower" France and Germany first of all, to hang the Ukrainian problem on Europe, to damage Russia (so that it would be "more accommodating" in the future), but within reasonable limits, in no way to allow the unification of the peoples of Russia... And the US (and Britain) have fully achieved their goals in the SVO. Although the US and Britain have slightly different tactical goals, the strategic goal is the same.
    Trump now faces the task of drawing Russia into a "battle" with China, and not necessarily by military means.
    And Russia doesn't have much choice now. Either continue the SVO, but then they will "tear" Russia from within, fortunately "mines" have been laid under the Russian State for 30 years. Or accept the US ultimatum and "fight" with China for US interests. But the "mines" will not go anywhere and after China they will tear Russia from within anyway. "Prigozhin's March" showed everything - there is no unity.
    I think the second option will be chosen. It will only postpone the "troubled times".
    It would make sense to go for a "fixed deal", but only if immediately after the "fixed deal" we start to conduct a military operation on the territories of Russia - to conduct a "debriefing" with punishment of the guilty, liquidation of private armies, liquidation of diasporas - national organized crime groups that have actually become the power in the Country... It seems that we cannot do without "shocks".
  31. +6
    16 February 2025 10: 43
    I am all for the guys to stop dying. Only a freeze along the line of combat contact and the continued existence of the Ukrainian state with its Russophobic policy will mean a complete defeat for Russia in the international arena. They started it themselves, achieved nothing from the stated goals, suffering huge sacrifices of human resources.
    Of course, the results will be judged after the negotiations on the Istanbul agreements, which were absolutely unacceptable for Russia and which are now being called the basis for negotiations, are tense.
    And the main question: What about the Russian constitution, according to which our borders run through the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions?
    1. -9
      16 February 2025 10: 54
      Trump will give us Kherson and Zaporizhia, as well as Donetsk. It is not essential - anyway, most of Kherson is already ours. In exchange, we will leave Kharkiv. They will negotiate.
      1. +8
        16 February 2025 12: 42
        Quote: Roman Efremov
        Trump will give us Kherson and Zaporizhia, as well as Donetsk

        We've come to this point, we won't liberate ourselves, but Trump will give it to us.
        1. 0
          17 February 2025 08: 52
          If they haven't released him in 3 years, he'll have to beg Trump for mercy.
      2. +3
        16 February 2025 17: 03
        Most of Kherson is already behind us

        That's true, but we're still wondering how to free the smaller one.
        1. -1
          17 February 2025 08: 53
          And that’s what I’m talking about - that’s why we’ll be bargaining with Trump for territories.
    2. -8
      16 February 2025 20: 42
      This has always interested me, Putin is a lawman and he is unlikely to violate the Constitution. And according to the Constitution, Kherson and Zaporozhye are the Russian Federation.
      Ukrainian troops are also unlikely to voluntarily leave these cities, which means they will have to break through by force, and from the territory of Dnepropetrovsk... And from there it turns out that Odessa is not far away.

      If the Ukies leave voluntarily, then we will get a bridgehead on the other side of the Dnieper without casualties and destruction and will be able to begin preparations for the future cutting off and capture of Odessa. This frightens NATO and the Ukies.
      1. +3
        17 February 2025 10: 20
        Quote: Totor5
        This has always interested me, Putin is a lawman and he is unlikely to violate the Constitution

        Rewrite the case 5 minutes
        1. -2
          17 February 2025 21: 26
          In Ukraine this is a matter of 5 minutes.
  32. -1
    16 February 2025 10: 51
    Yes, it is nearing completion if we agree to Trump's conditions. If we insist on our initially stated ones, we will fight for a long time.
  33. 0
    16 February 2025 10: 52
    Quote: Belisarius
    3) If we manage to reach a real ceasefire, most of them will be sent home after the end of the contract.

    This is the most important thing. Most likely it will be something like the state of the border between the two Koreas after the signing of the armistice, when there were periodic exchanges of fire that did not lead to the resumption of hostilities. It would be worse if it were a border like that of Israel and the Arab countries after the wars, when the war actually continued only in light mode.
  34. +2
    16 February 2025 10: 55
    Quote: Roman Efremov
    Trump will give us Kherson and Zaporizhia, as well as Donetsk. It is not essential - anyway, most of Kherson is already ours. In exchange, we will leave Kharkiv. They will negotiate.

    I do not believe in an absolutely calm withdrawal of the Ukrainian armed forces from these regions
  35. +1
    16 February 2025 10: 56
    Quote: Roman Efremov
    Yes, it is nearing completion if we agree to Trump's conditions. If we insist on our initially stated ones, we will fight for a long time.

    Nobody insisted on what was originally announced in Istanbul.
  36. -2
    16 February 2025 10: 59
    In 1917, soldiers told agitators who called for continuing the First World War to a victorious end: “Go to the trenches yourself and feed the lice.”
    Only those who are behind the ribbon have the moral right to call for the continuation of the SVO. Those I know are tired and want to go home to their families.

    P.S. I have no doubt that the terms of the termination of the SVO will be good for us. Trump wants to see Russia as a partner in the confrontation with China.
    Moreover, after the elections in Ukraine, politicians less hostile to us will come to power.
    1. +1
      16 February 2025 11: 06
      Trump wants to see Russia not as a "partner", but for Russia to "fight" with China for US interests. And after the "victory" over China, the "partnership" will quickly end and they will take on Russia.
      This is not a very good option for Russia.
      1. +1
        16 February 2025 11: 15
        Russia has fought with China many times: in 1649-1689 (Albazin Company), in 1899-1901 (Boxer Rebellion), in 1929 (conflict for the CER), 1947-1948 (Mongolia), 1969 (Damansky); in 1960-1989, in fact, there was a Cold War.
        China has territorial claims against Russia: in 1858-1860, our diplomats took advantage of the Second Opium War to obtain the territories of the Amur, Jewish regions, Primorsky and southern Khabarovsk regions. The Chinese remember this and teach it in history lessons.
        The US is an old enemy, but across the ocean, and China is a dangerous imperialist predatory neighbor with territorial claims. For Europe, Russia was a country of peripheral capitalism until 2022, with certain funds invested in production, for China - only a raw material base and a sales market. There is not a single country outside the first world with which China has partnership relations, everywhere "buses" in exchange for resources. Even where China built infrastructure projects, this was done by Chinese workers on Chinese equipment.
        1. +2
          16 February 2025 11: 19
          I never said that China is a friend to Russia. It is far from certain that Russia will be better off if China wins the China-USA confrontation.
        2. 0
          17 February 2025 12: 31
          Absolutely correct statement.
          China, like the EEC, is heavily dependent on resource imports, the US has everything of its own - the conclusion is obvious who is the main enemy.
      2. -1
        17 February 2025 14: 40
        Quote: Vladimir M
        Trump wants to see Russia not as a "partner", but for Russia to "fight" with China for US interests. And after the "victory" over China, the "partnership" will quickly end and they will take on Russia.
        This is not a very good option for Russia.

        Above you wrote that whether you finish it or not, we will get the "furry little animal" only later, so what's the point of the military continuing to die, based on such pessimism? I have a question for you... and if you think about it, that everything is going according to plan? By the way, this is a better option than the inevitable "little animal" that you wrote about hi
        1. 0
          17 February 2025 15: 16
          It seems that we can no longer avoid "turmoil" in our State and we cannot do without conducting a military operation on the territories of Russia.
          I am sure that Russia will survive in any case, as has happened many times in history, when it seemed that everything was over. The only question is what trials it will have to go through.
          I very much doubt that "everything is going according to plan", although it depends on who "wrote" what plan.
          I agree to storm settlements of "20 yards" now, when a "fixed agreement" is approaching - it has no practical sense.
          hi
    2. +1
      16 February 2025 11: 08
      What confrontation, China is our partner. There are no politicians in Ukraine who are less hostile, I remember that since 2014 some people also said that "wait and the people there will choose normal politicians"
    3. BAI
      +4
      16 February 2025 12: 44

      Moreover, after the elections in Ukraine, politicians less hostile to us will come to power.

      People will come to power in Ukraine under the slogan Let's make Ukraine great again. Let's return all the territories.
      If Ukraine remains, we can talk about the inevitability of military conflicts, terrorist attacks are inevitable
  37. Fy;
    0
    16 February 2025 11: 11
    Somehow I don’t believe that the conflict will end.
    And, knowing the vile nature of the West, it is believed that Trump will offer Putin truly unfavorable conditions, and then hypocritically throw up his hands - like, "I did everything I could."
    And the war will continue further.
    God grant that I am wrong - but alas, everything is moving towards the fact that there will not even be a bad world.
  38. 0
    16 February 2025 11: 14
    The author was wrong to dump the US and Europe on the "West", in the case of the Ukrainian crisis it doesn't work that way. The US is interested in gaining access to the resources of the dancers and stopping Russia's drift towards China. Europe, on the contrary, wants the war to continue (the liberal garbage dump remains in power here) and the strategic defeat of Russia. Hungary, Slovakia, and part of the Balkans oppose these ideas. A very short list. Moreover, the Balts, Scandinavians, English, Poles, Czechs, Germans, French and Benelux - they are generally ready for escalation. New sanctions, provocations in the Baltics, more weapons and even troops in the conflict. Because of this, the prospects for peace are very vague. This entire Euro-liberal gang will hit both Trump and us, and in every way incite the dancers to further war. I do not rule out that even with agreements between the US and the Russian Federation, they will launch an open attack against peace, especially since the junta entrenched in Kyiv does not need peace. Such a tangle of contradictions has not been seen for a long time.
  39. +7
    16 February 2025 11: 26
    1. How does the US, from the other side of the world, have a voice on Ukraine? How can such respect be explained, if not by the recognition of the hegemon's primacy and submission to it? All while talking about sovereignty, multipolarity, BRICS...
    2. Waiting for negotiations with the "master", and there is no need for a nationwide discussion in Russia about the outskirts. There is no unity of understanding in the country of what is happening there, what kind of blood is there..., and, accordingly, no unified attitude!?
    3. The motives and goals of the SVO are not clear. Is it acceptable to keep the people who sacrifice everything in the dark?
    4. "Negotiations" on Ukraine, whether there are any or not, are irrelevant. We are talking about a "deal" between capitalists, and not about the fate of a divided people, who are on the sidelines of the "negotiations", although they pay for everything.
  40. +5
    16 February 2025 11: 48
    We all remember very well how the Minsk agreements ended.
    He who chooses shame between war and shame will get both.
    1. 0
      16 February 2025 13: 54
      The Minsk agreements were normal, much better than the war now.
      1. 0
        17 February 2025 09: 55
        Kronos, hello, have you read these Minsk agreements yourself?
        read it again and analyze each point
        maybe you will change your mind about this document
  41. -1
    16 February 2025 15: 10
    The first step towards completing the SVO was taken on February 12

    Rather than an end to the conflict, it is more likely that negotiations will begin.
  42. kvv
    +3
    16 February 2025 16: 07
    Putin's tactic is not to "sit it out", but to wait for a new master, and the master will come and put everyone in his stalls, including Putin
  43. +6
    16 February 2025 16: 46
    However, despite the above, the hopes that the loss of interest on the part of the United States will lead to a decisive victory over Ukraine, which were expressed by some jingoistic bloggers and users, seem unrealistic. Simply because Russia does not have the strength and means for a complete victory over Ukraine, and Moscow understands this very well.

    That's how they started singing, because before there was talk about a "superpower" and "on equal terms with the USA".
    In fact, we have the resources to put Ukraine on its shoulder blades - this is a state that is almost five times inferior to us demographically, and also significantly inferior to us economically and industrially. Help - help from the West, but the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are being hammered at the front, and they are the ones who are dying and getting wounded, including those that stop them from becoming active combat units. Also, the military-political leadership of Ukraine is in Ukraine and the overwhelming majority of decisions are made and implemented through internal Ukrainian channels, in other words, influencing all this with pinpoint means can lead to a significant drop in the quality and efficiency of planning, if not to turn the organization into a general disorganization.
    We have the means for such influence, even so - they MUST be, because without such means all this talk about readiness for some kind of "confrontation" with NATO will be pure chatter. We must also have analytical and technical intelligence capable of detecting the leadership of Ukraine and promptly supplying target designation to our high-precision means. The key phrase is "must be". Because if there is none - then in principle any talk about our readiness to fight with someone large and organized is a senseless grinding. Because these states will de facto significantly surpass Ukraine in everything, including the quantity and quality of aviation, navy and other means, including cash.

    It is possible to achieve unconditional surrender from Ukraine, but the SVO is the SVO because for political reasons our leadership wants to avoid a clinch and a classic war in all its aspects. In the SVO format, even in the format of the "de facto war" that is happening now, the original strategic plan has not changed in practice - we still want to force Ukraine to some paperwork and still consider it a subject in the future. Based on this, we choose the means and the volumes and the strategy of their influence - otherwise there would already be a series of influences "to dismantle" the entire Ukrainian vertical. Which I do not observe - and, in fairness, in the question of "we cannot find Zelensky-Syrsky and take them out in their bunkers" and "we are not very eager to approach this methodically" I would rather bet on the latter. Because there are a ton of fucking weapons of all calibers, if there's one thing we've got in our country, it's a bunch of them. We know how to destroy, which can't be said about a lot of other things.
    Or have they already forgotten how to do it? No, I don't think so. Therefore, it is a question of intent and political will, and not of some factors like "I couldn't...".
    Of course, this does not cancel out the fatigue of people at the front, etc. But let's look at how NATO and the US acted with Iraq or Yugoslavia. There, no one marinated the regimes for years through infantry dug in the field - there they immediately took out everything important, then a little less, then even less - using guided missiles, aviation, and so on. And so on until the state of disorganization of the entire enemy model, until the state was turned into a washcloth.
    If we can not to do this to Ukraine - we have no place at the table with the big boys, and the gold leaf with proud eagles can safely be carried to the museum. If we we do not want to do this - let's call a spade a spade and not twist and turn to create the necessary propaganda background before "clever maneuvers".
    1. +1
      16 February 2025 23: 36
      Of course, this does not cancel out the fatigue of people at the front, etc. But let's look at how NATO and the US acted with Iraq or Yugoslavia. There, no one marinated the regimes for years through infantry dug in the field - there they immediately took out everything important, then a little less, then even less - using guided missiles, aviation, and so on. And so on until the state of disorganization of the entire enemy model, until the state was turned into a washcloth.
      If we can't do this with Ukraine - there is no place for us at the table with the big boys, and the gold leaf with proud eagles can safely be taken to the museum. If we don't want to do this - let's call things by their proper names and not twist and turn forming the necessary propaganda background before "clever maneuvers".

      Important note. However, some Europeans, together with Zelya, want to drive Putin into a corner. And if they succeed, then perhaps the Russian Armed Forces will demolish Ukraine, and I do not exclude the possibility of TNW.
  44. +2
    16 February 2025 16: 48
    Quote: Puncher
    All this will be presented as a "great victory". They will hold a parade of victors, hand out tons of orders and medals, new field marshals will appear... Thousands will return home and as usual, "we will open rehabilitation centers...", "for the accessibility of urban infrastructure for the disabled,..." has been allocated, "a criminal gang of veterans has been detained...", "a disabled veteran who could not leave his apartment for a year committed suicide because...", etc. And in city administrations, the typical phrase in response to an appeal will be the unshakable for centuries: "I did not send you there!"

    It seems that you have imagined our near future more accurately than all the other readers present here.
  45. -2
    16 February 2025 17: 05
    I think that the Americans themselves can ask Russia to stop the hostilities.
    And Russia shouldn't get ahead of itself.
    It's a pity, of course, about the lives and health of our soldiers, but this game must be played to the end!
  46. -1
    16 February 2025 17: 30
    Quote: Vulpes
    Not to the end, but to a deal. It's already sickening to watch federal channels. There's such an ass-licking going on there for Trump, and a gradual warming up of the soil against China.
    But this is in vain - China can be a support
  47. +1
    16 February 2025 18: 23
    And will we move towards this settlement until Poland, Hungary and Romania understand that they need to take back what is theirs before the Russian Armed Forces enter the western regions?
  48. +2
    16 February 2025 18: 50
    No, well, everything in the world is "coming to an end", if you judge on the scale of the universe. There are no specifics yet. The Americans, the masters of "blah blah blah", are real swindlers. And the Brits benefit from war. I'll just keep quiet about the European Union. Let's wait and see...
  49. -1
    16 February 2025 19: 48
    when the front line moves at best 300-400 meters per month, achieving a military victory is almost impossible./////
    To the author: Dear Biryukov, and when in the 40s we advanced not hundreds of meters, but tens of kilometers, and what is characteristic, in the direction of the Volga, to the east. Was victory also impossible? Or was there someone in the ranks of the Red Army who doubted our Victory then? Or did you and I simply study history from different textbooks?
  50. 0
    16 February 2025 19: 49
    I think a "freeze" is coming with the withdrawal of artillery from the LBS to the firing range. And the terrorist state of Ukraine will finally consolidate itself within its current actual borders and will terrorize Mother Russia for an infinitely long time.
  51. -5
    16 February 2025 20: 06
    as some jingoistic channels and bloggers assumed,
    / / / /
    To the author:
    Author, please explain to us, those Panfilovites, near Moscow in 41, the paratroopers in Pavlov's House in Stalingrad, the heroes of besieged Leningrad, who defended their hero city and their country, the heroic home front workers, who brought our Victory closer with their labor, were all of them also "hurray patriots and bloggers"? Just so we can understand your jargon..(
    My father, who is now 94, went to work as a 12-year-old teenager to produce goods to help the front. My father is still alive. He has government awards. But he only found out now that he is (according to your version) a "hurray" patriot. That's how it is.
    Yes, and all those who have now gone to the SVO as volunteers, volunteers collecting aid for the front, our war correspondents risking their lives... are they "hurray patriots"??(((
    You can write here whatever you think is necessary, Bandera scum, but you will receive a response to all your opuses from me. And from the patriots (and "hurray", if you like)!)))
  52. +1
    16 February 2025 20: 07
    The author is ready to give up the remaining Russians in Ukraine, surrender Odessa and Transnistria - just so that there is no war and so that the unnamed mobiles are tired.
    I recently had a friend who stepped on a mine, and another one has been fighting as a volunteer for a couple of years now. So it was all in vain?
    1. 0
      16 February 2025 22: 47
      Where were these "Russians" when Russian officers with their families left for nowhere, without betraying the oath and returning to Russia, started life from scratch... Where were these "Russians" when the South-East was ablaze? Where were the "Russians" when people were being burned in Odessa? There were only a few partisans there, and the "silent ones" who silently watched and were afraid to speak were worse than the enemy.
      1. +3
        17 February 2025 00: 15
        Don't distort things, you're not in a massage parlor. Russians have been fighting in the South-East since 2014, and they fought in Transnistria, Chechnya, and Georgia. And the hobos always blame everyone except them, and the eternal - and what about us?
    2. +2
      17 February 2025 00: 19
      Quote: Totor5
      If only there was no war and the unnamed mobiles were tired.

      No, just to return to the "holy" 90s, when it was possible to steal money in Russia and drink it away in the West, that's what this so-called "peace party" wants.
      1. +2
        17 February 2025 00: 33
        Yes, this is the funniest thing - not everyone is ready to accept that the World has changed. The price for your opinion is high, and the price for the Empire is even higher.
        1. 0
          17 February 2025 00: 35
          Quote: Totor5
          The price for your opinion is high, and the price for the Empire is even higher.

          And the price for one's existence is even higher. hi
          1. 0
            17 February 2025 00: 37
            Well, you can exist under a rock or under a bunk, some people are happy with this and are ready for Peace on any terms, as long as they don’t get beaten.
            1. 0
              17 February 2025 00: 55
              Quote: Totor5
              as long as they don't beat me.

              Well, they will just keep beating you and until you fight back, even if your opponent is stronger than you, he won’t stop beating you.
              1. -1
                17 February 2025 04: 09
                The one under the bunk cannot hit. It seems to him that he can negotiate and that they will negotiate with him.
  53. -2
    16 February 2025 20: 14
    Kherson and Zaporizhia are our territories according to the Constitution. The author suggests abandoning the Constitutional territories? And is he aware that in the New Constitution with amendments this is directly prohibited? Or are we ready to wipe our asses with the Constitution for the sake of a deal?

    The author thinks that the Ukrainian troops will voluntarily leave Kherson and Zaporozhye? Somehow I doubt it. And that means they will have to break through the Dnepropetrovsk region, and from there it is not far to Odessa.

    Biryukov is a well-known defeatist.
    1. 0
      17 February 2025 10: 21
      "Or are we ready to wipe our asses with the Constitution for the sake of a deal?"
      we've wiped ourselves off like that more than once
      1. -1
        17 February 2025 21: 29
        Moreover, according to the Constitution of Ukraine, it is a national pastime there.
  54. +4
    16 February 2025 20: 15
    Well, they started preparing us for a bad world, in a year they will tell us that we believed them and we were deceived again. Such is our karma, soldiers die and politicians sell everything and everyone
  55. +1
    16 February 2025 20: 33
    If you don't weed out all the weeds in Ukraine, they will grow again. sad As history shows.
  56. 0
    16 February 2025 22: 34
    Trump's goal is to let the US jump out of this conflict and do its own thing. If it works out to reach an agreement, great, if it doesn't, well, he can always say, I tried, I tried. In this conflict, the decision-making centers are located in Berlin, Paris and London. If Europe did not see the opportunities and weaknesses, it would have persuaded the expired one to capitulate long ago, but for now, there is no reason for European managers to negotiate.
  57. -3
    17 February 2025 01: 11
    Where did the author get "300-400 meters per month"? Advancement of 250-450 km2 per month. Also, the author did not take into account the factor of the overexertion of Ukrainian resources - human, financial and energy - that are going on.
    1. +1
      17 February 2025 10: 23
      "Progress of 250-450 km2 per month."
      in what place? or in total for the entire LBS?
    2. +1
      17 February 2025 11: 01
      Quote: El Roz
      Where did the author get "300-400 meters per month"? Advancement of 250-450 km2 per month. Also, the author did not take into account the factor of the overexertion of Ukrainian resources - human, financial and energy - that are going on.

      1) So yours are square, and his are regular. Multiply the author's numbers by the length of the front and you'll get square.
      2) Vance said that if Russia does not agree to peace, the US will send its troops there
  58. DO
    0
    17 February 2025 01: 49
    The press suggested that negotiations on Ukraine would begin on February 18 of this year.
    What to expect from this date?
    Based on the experience of the actions of the khokhlonato, on February 18 and beyond this year, we should expect another powerful strike by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, with all their forces and means, on old Russian territory. Most likely on Bryansk, in a direct line to Moscow.
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  60. +1
    17 February 2025 08: 50
    Quote: Vulpes
    Not to the end, but to a deal. It's already sickening to watch federal channels. There's such an ass-licking going on there for Trump, and a gradual warming up of the soil against China.

    To the deal... However, people have already started thinking about this in all the kitchens of the country.
    TV is not watched very much these days, the Internet is available almost everywhere, even in remote taiga villages of Siberia and the Far East. Whatever the agitprop is trying to do, it is unlikely to be effective on a mass scale now.
    The deal, as one might guess, will involve concessions, the only question is what will be sold.
    But our bosses should be careful when joking with the Chinese, if they start dancing around the boss of the planet. China is a force.
  61. 0
    17 February 2025 10: 55
    Quote: mann
    And what kind of "attractive ideology" did the EU offer Ukraine?
    occupy it, pardon me, "include" it in the EU?

    And why did we ourselves, with our skirts raised, literally rush to join the EU?
    Behind the illusions of a rich, calm life...

    Because they lost the information war. Because consumerism won.
  62. 0
    17 February 2025 12: 21
    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    And so it must disappear, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Nikolaev, Chernigov and Sumy, Poltava and Krivoy Rog, Vinnitsa, Zhitomir and Kyiv, the mother of Russian cities. This is our land, and all this will be Russia.

    We need to have a snack, - the strategist said from the sofa.
  63. +1
    17 February 2025 13: 01
    Ukraine has already been skimmed off, it is of no interest to almost anyone, everyone wants to get out of there with a pretty face
    1. 0
      17 February 2025 15: 08
      Patrashov, hello
      not everyone has skimmed the cream of the crop Russia hasn't gotten anything yet
      1. 0
        17 February 2025 17: 05
        This is about 70% of all minerals in Ukraine, nothing was left?
  64. 0
    17 February 2025 17: 03
    Trump bent over, but no matter - V. Putin will bend him over and everything will be fine.
  65. 0
    18 February 2025 15: 04
    If we stop the SVO now, our children will have to fight
    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2025/02/18/esli-ostanovit-svo-seychas-to-voevat-pridetsya-nashim-detyam-balickiy
  66. 0
    19 February 2025 17: 56
    Quote: Ivan Seversky
    The US is an old enemy, but across the ocean, and China is a dangerous imperialist predatory neighbor with territorial claims.

    I hope Russia will not commit suicide by going against China as a mercenary of the USA, just like Ukraine went against Russia.
    The US is across the ocean, but it is a contender for world hegemony, while China has no such claims and will not have them in the foreseeable future.
  67. 0
    19 February 2025 21: 27
    Quote: hottabychchch
    yes, this SVO will not end soon. Another Minsk-9 deal, then VVP will say that he was deceived once again. In Ukraine, young people will grow up brought up on the ideas of Nazism and revanchism (loss of territories), and we will not be able to oppose them with anything because we have no idea, unless you don’t be a Nazi, become a capitalist and take out a loan

    You are all strange, it has always been like this. Well, it wasn't just for nothing that people went to die on the barricades, they weren't idiots and wanted to live. Now it's impossible, so we will slowly turn into outcasts of the third world. At least the West has corrupt trade unions, we don't have that. So the time hasn't come.
  68. 0
    19 February 2025 21: 30
    Quote: Ivan Seversky
    Russia has fought with China many times: in 1649-1689 (Albazin Company), in 1899-1901 (Boxer Rebellion), in 1929 (conflict for the CER), 1947-1948 (Mongolia), 1969 (Damansky); in 1960-1989, in fact, there was a Cold War.
    China has territorial claims against Russia: in 1858-1860, our diplomats took advantage of the Second Opium War to obtain the territories of the Amur, Jewish regions, Primorsky and southern Khabarovsk regions. The Chinese remember this and teach it in history lessons.
    The US is an old enemy, but across the ocean, and China is a dangerous imperialist predatory neighbor with territorial claims. For Europe, Russia was a country of peripheral capitalism until 2022, with certain funds invested in production, for China - only a raw material base and a sales market. There is not a single country outside the first world with which China has partnership relations, everywhere "buses" in exchange for resources. Even where China built infrastructure projects, this was done by Chinese workers on Chinese equipment.

    I have spoken about this here many times, it is good that at least someone understands. By the way, China is silent and does not offer any congratulations.
  69. 0
    19 February 2025 21: 33
    Quote: Vladimir M
    I never said that China is a friend to Russia. It is far from certain that Russia will be better off if China wins the China-USA confrontation.

    I repeat, Revolutionary France fought with England, but went to Russia, Hitler fought with England, but went to Russia, and China will not start a war with the USA until it receives Russia’s mineral resources.
  70. 0
    19 February 2025 21: 38
    Quote: Fy;
    Somehow I don’t believe that the conflict will end.
    And, knowing the vile nature of the West, it is believed that Trump will offer Putin truly unfavorable conditions, and then hypocritically throw up his hands - like, "I did everything I could."
    And the war will continue further.
    God grant that I am wrong - but alas, everything is moving towards the fact that there will not even be a bad world.

    You read the messages about what Putin did in his first two terms, maybe you will understand him or really understand what he wants, it is not what he says, or read the global program 2020, or better yet, the numerous comments. Why didn't it work out))
  71. 0
    21 February 2025 09: 37
    Only restrictions on arms supplies will show how close the end of our
  72. 0
    22 February 2025 14: 53
    The question is, what to do with war criminals? We have so many criminal cases open, and they have done such things that the SS men have turned green with envy. Next, let's forgive and forget to please the Five Columnists, like Khrushchev. A rake is like a sports equipment to someone.
  73. 0
    24 February 2025 08: 45
    It's absolutely "not a big deal" what the redhead needs! What's important is what we need! And our SVO should end only when we "finish" the last monkey! NOT BEFORE!
  74. 0
    28 June 2025 21: 24
    Wait, we're not drunk enough.