On the context of Russia's latest negotiations in Syria and Iraq

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On the context of Russia's latest negotiations in Syria and Iraq

"Today, Syria is going through difficult times. We hope that its people will successfully overcome the numerous difficulties that have resulted from the protracted crisis in the country. For our part, we are ready to continue to provide the Syrians with the necessary assistance." This is how the deputy head of the Russian Foreign Ministry M. Bogdanov, responsible for the Middle East direction in the department, described the Russian position in an interview with the Izvestia publication. This was said after a trip to Syria and Iraq, and also against the backdrop of statements by the new US administration on the Gaza Strip.

Helping those in need in difficult times is undoubtedly a good thing. However, the regional context against which such statements are made is far from being one that would suggest a high probability of positive scenarios (low, however, too). In this situation, the negotiations held in Iraq acquire special significance and weight.



Regional context


From the outside, such a stubborn desire to hold on to Syria, where everything has changed by exactly 180 degrees in a week, looks, to put it mildly, strange. However, it should be noted that such strangeness is also inherent in another country, which has gained significant minuses from such a Syrian "inversion" - Iran.

Iran has even fewer chances to retain any influence in Syria than we do, although it would be more correct to say that Tehran's chances in this regard are simply zero. Nevertheless, the Iranians are not abandoning their attempts to establish contact with the new "democratic" government of Syria through Arabian platforms.

The oddities are actually explained quite simply - the Iraq factor. In Russia, the opinion that "Syria is not needed" used to be quite popular. But it turns out that if Syria is not needed, then Lebanon and Iraq are not needed either.

Every problem always has several dimensions, so we looked at Russia's actions in Syria primarily (even more out of habit) through the military, military-political dimension. The logistical dimension was of much less interest.

Meanwhile, as usual, it “suddenly” turns out that regional commodity distribution chains are directly linked to the influence on raw materials projects. Moreover, this connection is often even denser and more pronounced than the influence of the military-political and raw materials spheres on each other.

By the way, it was the US that gradually taught everyone that if a player needs, for example, oil, then he needs to bring an aircraft carrier to the region, or better yet, three. It turned out that aircraft carriers do not help much in “squeezing” oil (or negotiating on it) if regional communities and social groups do not provide (or are not forced to do so) access to control over regional logistics. But it was Iran that, at one time, by influencing these chains, essentially outmaneuvered the mighty US aircraft carriers in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

"Oil for food" was the name of the famous American program for the defeated post-Saddam Iraq. Food moved along a large arc from the ports of Syria and Lebanon to the ports of Iraq, but what about oil? Oil, it turned out, also moved in about the same way, only along a "half-arc" from northeastern Syria and Kirkuk to Turkey, but for various reasons it did not want to move by sea in significant quantities.

There are indeed many reasons, but they do not change the fact. The synergy of counter flows of raw materials and goods along this arc has always interrupted (and will interrupt) straightforward military-political combinations.

And the extreme western points here were Beirut and Tartus, and the extreme southeastern point was the Iraqi port of Faw, the large-scale reconstruction of which has been discussed for several years. Moreover, Faw had every real opportunity to become a kind of docking hub in terms of the interests of the Arabian monarchies, Iran, Turkey and China, and also an alternative exit point for Russian oil projects in Iraq to a full-fledged external market.

$19 billion of accumulated Russian investments in Iraq - this figure was mentioned in September-October last year by the Russian Foreign Ministry. And these are very significant amounts not only by regional standards.

But all this works fully when there is a synergy of raw materials and goods flows, and what if there is no such synergy anymore? For Iran, this is generally one of the primary issues, part of its financial system is built on this logistics, but for Russia, this is not a “passable” problem either.

Therefore, the simultaneous attempts, on the one hand, to somehow maintain positions in Tartus and, on the other, to maximally intensify work in Iraq (and this is precisely the case, since the Russian Foreign Ministry has not worked in literally all political circles in Iraq for a long time) should not be surprising. They are quite logical.

The problem is different. It is quite obvious that the new wave of Syrian democrats intend to simply squeeze, milk, shake out of Russia a considerable sum for the right to pretend that the port and military base are in some kind of "lease" with us. But it has been written more than once that if all influence ends outside the port gates, then the benefit of such influence is little more than none, and a lot of indirect costs arise from this.

And as an example, here we can only note how much time it took for domestic ships to go to load military equipment. It's good that these ships are de facto owned, but what if this was a full-fledged charter with the required downtime? And it's unlikely that the route around Europe itself can now be called even relatively safe.

A kind of insurance factor here is the position of the Iraqi elites themselves, some of whom practically officially moved in a direction close to the Iranian strategy. The obvious weakening of Iran, which is losing influence on the land "arc", is not at all a good thing for the Iraqi political elite, including some of the security forces.

They need an alternative, especially in the conditions when D. Trump is again in the White House, who in the past has stated literally the following more than once or twice: "If we leave, we have to take Iraq's oil. We'll make a fortune - they have $15 trillion in oil."

What is interesting here is that the figure of 15 trillion dollars turns out to be a kind of marker. For Ukraine, for some reason, the figure of the same 15 trillion dollars pops up year after year, only not in terms of oil, but in terms of other resources.

There have been many different political figures in Baghdad, but no analogue of V. Zelensky has yet emerged; for some reason, they are not eager to give 15 trillion dollars to the Americans.

D. Trump's words only resemble an absurd joke, but in essence this is a designation political principleIn this regard, Iraq’s desire to have insurance against such principledness is understandable, especially in conditions when Iran’s influence is weakening and Syria does not have a government friendly to Baghdad.

The position of Iraqi Kurdistan will be more complicated, since the US has not yet decided what to do with the Kurdish cantons in Syria - whether to leave the protectorate or not. But if the decision is made to lift the protectorate, then Erbil's position here will rather be synergistic with Iraq's than conflict with it.

On the necessity or uselessness of various overseas shores


There are undoubtedly many in Russia who will say that we do not need the "Syrian coast", and we do not need the Iraqi coast even more, with or without the port of Fao. And they will say this completely in vain, because by leaving Syria, we will lose influence on the commodity flows in the region, and by completely weakening our presence in Iraq, we ourselves will weaken our ability to work on the world oil market. This is not to mention the invested funds, as well as the arms and food market.

Do we need to remember how much we have said on various platforms that without Russian gas the EU will freeze and even fall apart? There is no gas, the EU is breathing unevenly, but clearly not with a frosty spirit, and it seems that the path to its collapse is about the same length as the path of the collapse of the US dollar. The sale of raw materials, since we have such a model, and not some special "innovative" one, is needed first of all by ourselves.

The conditions under which, given recent events, Russian oil and oil products will continue to travel via the usual Baltic route are also completely unclear. One would have to be an exceptional optimist to expect that everything will remain as before.

One of the largest buyers of domestic raw materials is India, but has anyone seen the proposals of the new American administration for New Delhi? No, because this is not the option where the US will act rashly. The previous administration in the "Sullivan plan" directly defined the strategy as the creation of an "Indo-Arabian pole", and in fact - a technological cluster. But aren't representatives of that very "technosphere" now in the person of Elon Musk and his partners in charge of issues in the highest offices of Washington? Again, one must be an extreme optimist to assume that the new technocrats will offer India worse conditions than the functionaries in Joe Biden's cabinet.

Such nodes as Iraq transform Russian oil into international raw materials, part of a large exchange, and the more such nodes there are, the more stable the industry's position is in relation to sanctions. Especially since raw materials, unfortunately, are not exclusive in the world. So our activation in Iraq is more than understandable and completely logical. But the results of bargaining with the new Syrian authorities may turn out to be a banal milking of financial resources from us, but without any practical result.
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  1. +3
    13 February 2025 05: 29
    There are undoubtedly many in Russia who will say that we do not need the “Syrian coast”

    On June 12, 1990, the new Russian leadership announced that Russia does not need "freeloaders" in the form of union republics, does not need "freeloaders" in Africa, Asia, the Middle East... "to the pampas, to the pampas, to freedom, to freedom..." (c) That all settlements are only at market prices with everyone, otherwise everyone has become spoiled, and Russia is starving... And then it turned out, "what we have we do not cherish, and having lost, we cry" (c), and the masters do not succeed in making stone flowers and then the words are heard: "it is very good that for now we are bad" (c)
    1. +1
      13 February 2025 06: 24
      these were fairy tales for suckers, how we drove the money into the bantustans and we continue to drive it))) we even make broad gestures like forgiving debts
      1. 0
        13 February 2025 06: 34
        and so we continue to push it )))
        Only, for this "corral" and forgiveness of debts, whoever owed, no one officially recognized that "Crimea is ours" and the annexed territories.. The bargaining with Syria now is not for bases, and not for logistical economic chains, but for the fact that Syria does not withdraw its official recognition that "Crimea is ours", the rest of the territories are ours, it has not recognized and it is not the only one of those who recognized Crimea.
      2. +6
        13 February 2025 16: 12
        We drive pennies into bantustans. And trillions were driven into all sorts of Cyprus, Switzerland and other Londons
        1. Aag
          +2
          13 February 2025 19: 33
          Quote from alexoff
          We drive pennies into bantustans. And trillions were driven into all sorts of Cyprus, Switzerland and other Londons

          It seems that your colleagues, in the heat of the attack, did not notice your not so subtle as it was relevant banter.
          hi drinks
    2. +1
      13 February 2025 12: 32
      It's good that the Gaidars have died. It's bad that smart people are not seen either in the country's politics in the east or in the Foreign Ministry. It doesn't take brains to fly planes with drugs instead of diplomatic mail.
      1. Aag
        +1
        13 February 2025 19: 35
        Quote: valentber
        It's good that the Gaidars have died. It's bad that smart people are not seen either in the country's politics in the east or in the Foreign Ministry. It doesn't take brains to fly planes with drugs instead of diplomatic mail.

        "... It's bad that smart people are not visible..."
        ... They hide. Some in "kichi". Some deeper... (((
    3. 0
      13 February 2025 14: 34
      They announced it, but they didn't stop funding it. Now we have different curs biting the hand of the giver. They got used to it. Now if it had been "nothing personal, just business" - that side would have immediately thought about it. Is it worth biting?
  2. +6
    13 February 2025 05: 37
    In Russia, the opinion that "Syria is not needed" used to be quite popular. But it turns out that if Syria is not needed, then Lebanon and Iraq are not needed either

    And do we need them??? Really? Until now, no one has really explained why the hell we even got into Syria. Quoting the author: "In Russia, the opinion used to be quite popular that" it was so that bearded and dark-skinned fanatics wouldn't come to us through the Caucasus and other Pamirs. Now the bearded and dark-skinned have taken power in Syria - and nothing, as if that's how it should be, our authorities are talking to them calmly. And you can't even count the bearded and dark-skinned people on the streets of our cities, and at the invitation of our own authorities. Or do someone need Syria, Iraq and various Lebanons to amuse their ego, to indulge themselves with the thought that you are a big shot in a great power? Well, it's much better to amuse one's ego by building a great power within this very power.
    1. +2
      13 February 2025 12: 34
      We are constantly and continuously lied to. And they lied in 2012 too. And they will continue to lie, this is the way of existence of the current government. And why it got involved in Syria, the top brass does not know. Most likely, on orders from the regional committee.
    2. +2
      13 February 2025 16: 26
      If our leaders don't have some kind of developed deposit with a road already built for exporting resources, then they can't do anything useful. The English grabbed colonies and everything worked out to their advantage, the Americans grab - it also works out to their advantage. But ours have all the extra land, toxic assets, if partners ask for it, they'll cut up an entire sector of the economy.
  3. +8
    13 February 2025 05: 39
    $19 billion in accumulated Russian investments in Iraq — this figure was mentioned in September-October last year by the Russian Foreign Ministry. And these are very significant amounts not only by regional standards
    If you spin the globe and point your finger, you will definitely get to Russian Investments. Russian Investments are a deposit from which you cannot withdraw money, someone else receives the interest, and at the end of the deposit the money is given to the bank.
  4. +3
    13 February 2025 06: 13
    But the results of bargaining with the new Syrian authorities could turn out to be a banal milking of financial resources from us, but without any practical result.

    But you can't rush headlong into the arms of terrorists, even if they become leaders. Their habit of cutting off the heads of those they don't like is in their blood, and Russia is not a country that can be milked...
    In the end, she herself can greatly complicate the existence of highway bandits and quite clearly... According to the model of how they do it in the USA and Israel... Moreover, remotely...
    1. +6
      13 February 2025 06: 37
      Quote: yuriy55
      and Russia is not a country that can be milked...

      Are you really sure about this????
      1. -8
        13 February 2025 06: 40
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        Are you really sure about this???

        And not only me:
        “Do not hope that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with the Russians honestly or not at all. ”
        1. +1
          13 February 2025 11: 05
          We can also remember -
          your shield is on the gates of Constantinople
        2. +4
          13 February 2025 12: 36
          Don't try to force the owl onto the globe. This phrase does not apply to the power of traders. AT ALL, not at all.
    2. +9
      13 February 2025 08: 33
      and Russia is not a country that can be milked...
      The oligarchs have been milking it successfully for 35 years now. How much capital has been taken abroad during this time. Yes, with that kind of money, without the oligarchs, communism could have been built in this time.
      1. +6
        13 February 2025 08: 35
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        The oligarchs have been milking it successfully for 35 years now.

        I can't say anything in response...I'm shocked myself...
        Putin alone can't see anything...Serves us right...
        1. +6
          13 February 2025 08: 38
          Himself in shock ...
          Are you being ironic like that? We knew, but tried not to notice, along with the presidents... who were and who are.
          1. 0
            13 February 2025 12: 37
            The resident can be any d.y.r.k., but the people have no right if they want to continue living.
            1. 0
              14 February 2025 01: 10
              They, the people, simply adapt, evade, maneuver, hide, etc. And hope that they will get away with it. They have more than enough intelligence and cunning. There are few truly smart and wild ones.
  5. +4
    13 February 2025 06: 38
    There is no gas, the EU is breathing unevenly, but clearly not with a frosty spirit, and it looks like the path to its collapse is about the same length as the path to the collapse of the US dollar. The sale of raw materials, since we have such a model, and not some special "innovative" one, is needed first of all by ourselves.

    Eh, Mikhail, you are ruining the picture of the world for those who live by the mantra "without us they won't survive there" )) and the rest is from the same set "we have somewhere to put our oil and gas inside" or "China will buy everything" ))

    the figure of 15 trillion dollars turns out to be a kind of marker

    Apparently, Trump is a kind of Polonsky on the max (by the way, he is also a scandalous developer!): "if you don't have 15 trillion - you can go to f..." )))
    1. -1
      13 February 2025 16: 32
      Eh, Mikhail, you are ruining the picture of the world for those who live by the mantra "without us they won't survive there" ))

      Well, here it would be better for the "system" to immediately abandon illusory narratives, then it would be much easier to explain the picture of the world to the people, but then it's "someday", so for now they chose simpler options. Nevertheless, "tomorrow" has one peculiarity - it always comes)))
  6. +3
    13 February 2025 08: 19
    Some movement has begun in the world. Some are losing power, others are picking it up. Maybe we should leave these snake pits for now until things settle down there. We have a war on our territories and it's about to break out in the Baltics.
    The West will not allow us to strengthen ourselves at the expense of the Syrian group, and this headache, the problem, needs to be solved.
    Do not humiliate yourself before the militants, but firmly attack if necessary.
    1. +5
      13 February 2025 12: 39
      In the Baltic, in the Black Sea, it has already begun. The General Staff simply did not show up for this war.
  7. +3
    13 February 2025 08: 48
    But the results of bargaining with the new Syrian authorities could turn out to be a banal milking of financial resources from us, but without any practical result.

    What should we bargain about? Are they offering us something? Like dates, tangerines, so that our old ladies on the benches would pile up and crack sunflower seeds?
    1. +6
      13 February 2025 09: 07
      they suggest...to accept Islam))
      1. +3
        13 February 2025 09: 10
        Perhaps, but Russia is in no way interested laughing
    2. +3
      13 February 2025 12: 42
      No one in Syria will negotiate, they are the same American lackeys as the clown from Kiev. They need to leave before they get kicked out, while it's cheap. But where to leave, the smart ones would have thought about it a long time ago. This is not about the General Staff, and not about the Foreign Ministry either.
  8. +1
    13 February 2025 09: 56
    You have to contact everyone. It's just that with the Syrians, since the bogeymen have come to power there, you can reduce these contacts to a minimum. But leaving completely - definitely not. There's a ball of snakes in a sack there, who's going to crawl out in a year or two? You can't leave. And there are spare parts for equipment, grain trade, and convenient ports.
    Well, I'm all for Iraq. It's a very important partner.
    1. +1
      13 February 2025 11: 43
      Quote: Glagol1
      You need to contact everyone.

      With this approach, it is easier for us to start contacts (establish closer contacts) with another country neighboring Syria...
      Who is this Barmaley who declared himself the head of Syria? On what basis? Did they hold elections there or did they take power by right of the strong?
      Yes, if you set a goal and the interests of some country (to compromise for the purpose of political gain), then this entire Barmaley regime can be taken out by carpet bombing...
      It's some kind of anachronism - cutting off people's heads like sheep...
      If there are no forces in Syria itself capable of resisting, it is possible to establish contacts and test the waters with other states. The Foreign Ministry is not for puffing out its cheeks and expressing discontent; we keep it on a very decent salary (no one has voluntarily left there)...
      1. 0
        13 February 2025 15: 53
        It seems that the agreement on the military base in Sudan has finally been signed. That's where we can transfer some of the funds. And from a practical point of view, if we are not going to squander what we have already accumulated in Africa, a base in Sudan and a base in Libya will be a much more understandable and rational solution. It is very hard to believe in a real lease of the port of Tartus and the full use of Syrian bases without control over the coastal provinces. And they will ask us for money for this (they are already asking for a lot). We need to drill into Iraq and create a logistics triangle Libya-Niger-Sudan. At least the Turks will feel the competition. Especially since the Turkish strategy is going against Egypt, and we are in normal relations with Cairo and no tricks are expected from us, like the "African loop" plan from Erdogan.
    2. +2
      13 February 2025 12: 44
      I agree. We need Iraq, just as it needs us. There is just no one to start this work. Only small fry in the Kremlin.
  9. +1
    13 February 2025 10: 46
    There is no point in overestimating the Syrian Abu Simbel - he is certainly not, but his current situation is to stay in power, not to show off his toughness.
  10. +3
    13 February 2025 15: 17
    And have you noticed that our government has not explained why we lost Syria? How were militants in "tachankas" able to capture all of Syria in two weeks? Instead, they explain to us how important Syria is to us. But if it is important, why did we lose it so ineptly? Until there is a full explanation, I am against Syria deserving any attention now, much less investing money.
    1. -3
      13 February 2025 15: 47
      A very logical formulation of the question, but you will not find a full answer to it in the main sources. The fact is that the failure in Syria was basically due to the fact that Russia and Iran were unable to develop a cooperative strategy for the restoration of Syria in the post-war period of 2020-2024. It cannot be said that they did not try, it cannot be said that they did not write about it at all, but you can’t take words out of a song - cooperation did not work out. Is this only Moscow’s fault? No. Only Iran’s or “tyrant Assad’s”? No. There were three players in the game, not one.
      Was this option predetermined? No, it was not, but it was among the probable ones. Neither Moscow nor Iran had the experience or potential for such work. Note that it is not only us who cannot admit this, but also Iran - they also blame everything on Assad. In terms of narratives, we and the Iranians are not very different in this case, since the system cannot admit that it is "wise and insightful" and turned out to be inexperienced and not so insightful. This is not mediocrity, but inexperience, and on both sides at once. But it is also difficult to admit this, it goes beyond the accepted guidelines. So, personally, I am not surprised by such a reaction in general. The question is different, will Moscow (our wise Areopagus) be able to process this negative and, frankly, rather costly and expensive experience into working technologies that can be used in the future? Here, unfortunately, I am a skeptic, not an optimist.
      1. +1
        13 February 2025 20: 10
        "that Russia and Iran have failed to develop a cooperative strategy for the reconstruction of Syria..."
        But I think that the terrorists were simply brought to one place and not destroyed. Out of stupidity or? Judging by the development of events later, they were not going to destroy them. Why? A deal! Did they deceive Putin again? Putin himself will tell about this someday, like with Minsk.
  11. -4
    13 February 2025 16: 11
    Usually, I don't read comments, but today, I forced myself to read (... And, it seems that people are discussing those material assets, property and capital, as well as the foreign policy dependent on them, which, supposedly, were or could be "ours". But it is NOT OURS, starting with the policy of "nationalization" of property by the "Soviet" nomenklatura, which it has consistently pursued since Stalin's death. If the means of production, infrastructure, mineral resources, land, financial mechanisms and instruments, legal relations of forms of ownership and the state were "socialized", that is, if the Society of workers REALLY DISPOSED OF THEM, MANAGED AND OWNED THEM, and not disposed of and managed IN ITS CLAN INTERESTS by the "Soviet" state nomenklatura, then, indeed, we can say that it was "ours"). But, starting from the 30s, and finally from the 60s, all THIS was no longer "ours", but went through the procedures and regulations of "nationalization" of property, which in the 90s, the children of these "nomenklatura" bastards, from the 60s, simply privatized and corporatized. And, today, in fact, we are discussing that wheel of the cart, "going from the district town to the provincial town", which does not belong to the working population of Russia. And, therefore, until the workers begin to OWN, as collective private owners, the means of production, infrastructure, agricultural land and subsoil, ANY foreign policy is a policy carried out in the interests of large commercial owners and their "nomenklatura" clans, who privatized the state in the 90s. Do you want to participate in this? Good luck!

    P.S. Acceleration is a Factor!
    But the reactor couldn't handle it(((...
    And now OUR peaceful atom
    All of Europe is cursing!

    (Ditty from 1986)
    1. +1
      14 February 2025 01: 35
      "Horses and people got all mixed up..." There are only two types of property - state, public and private. There was also cooperative (for the development of consumer goods and services). How do you imagine collective private property? Private is individual and nothing else. Politics after Stalin's departure were different, but the state did not allow emergencies. Until the departure (aging) of the last bearers of the idea, making decisions and controlling their implementation. The "great community of the Soviet people" got greedy, the proletariat gave up on the hegemony. Without this, the degenerate partycrats would have had no luck.
      1. 0
        14 February 2025 13: 11
        What does "state public" mean? Property has ALWAYS had, has and will have a specific owner. And, by the way, social cooperatives are the “foundation” for the formation of collective private property, and its “development” is public petty-bourgeois corporations. Manufacturing, engineering, infrastructure and agricultural, in which specialists not only work, but also own them as collective private owners. The management, through the election system, is selected from the most experienced and qualified specialists, from all divisions of these socio-economic structures, who have “grown up” in the enterprise or organization from the moment of their appearance as a “young specialist”, and are known to every worker as individuals, as specialists and as citizens. All management and administrative decisions are made by this corporate council, which must include a representative of the supervisory body from the workforce - an elected public "tribune" who will have the right of "veto", the right to launch re-elections and impeachment of management. The corporate board, in times of serious crisis, should have the right to override the veto. Workers, in addition to piecework wages or salary, have income from their "shares" and a percentage of the total profit of the corporation's socio-economic activity, which increases with the growth of the worker's professional qualifications, length of service, and his personal contribution to economic activity, measured in pieces, meters, tons, student performance, increase in the birth rate of the population, health status of citizens, life expectancy, success, and profitability in the implementation of projects, the introduction of innovations, and the results of R&D. From these socio-economic structures, and not from oligarchic clans, near-government and ethnic mafias, deputies are nominated directly to district bodies and, indirectly, to city and regional self-government bodies. Together with them, public "tribunes" are elected to these authorities, who supervise the activities of ANY government structures in the regions on behalf of the Public Authority. National public corporations should have the right to conclude contracts with the Social State and participate in the functioning of the planned economy, as well as in the work of labor exchanges, on the sites of which "lots" of various types of work and contracts will be played out, under which, as with the state, contracts are concluded between the Customer and the Contractor. But, the key point! Enterprises and organizations must belong to the workers, that is, to those who directly work in them. If the leadership of a social cooperative or a petty bourgeois corporation is ineffective, it is re-elected! If the local governments of districts, cities and regions are ineffective, they are re-elected! If ANY of the workers is a lazy, uninitiative person who does not want to work and participate in the social and political life of the corporation, then he quits and goes to WORK "for the state" or for a sole private owner - to spin his "squirrel cage". At stake is everyone’s money, the team’s investments and the fate of EVERYONE.

        PS Is the general higher than the specific? No.
        Is the particular higher than the general? Also no.
        Then what? THE PRIVATE, as part of the GENERAL!
        1. 0
          14 February 2025 14: 20
          Of course there was a master - the state of the victorious proletariat.

          Beautiful, but unrealizable. Because your shirt is on your body, it is only yours. It is natural, in a rational predator. It can be broken only by a complete denial of emergency and education of a collectivist.

          And again, your collective emergency contradicts the basis, emergency is individual property and nothing else. You yourselves wrote that there must be an owner. One owner, the rest must move over. These "collective private owners" will immediately start fighting when the time comes to divide the goodies.
          But under collective state ownership, the size of the perks is based on the wage scale and the strictest control over the observance of the principle - if you don't work, you don't eat. There was a time when this worked almost 100%, then the control was gone and the system began to collapse. Speculators and parasites multiplied like cockroaches.

          Stalin's cooperatives are part of the socialist economic model. They are not private. Collective property, with restrictions on the means of production (the cooperative could not make steel), in which the size of the remuneration was determined by the members of the cooperative or by the wage scale established by them. Similar to the state one.
          Pie-makers, bakers and hairdressers are not the economy and power of the state. They are servants of the interests of the working class.
          1. 0
            14 February 2025 14: 29
            As for modern times, when AI, automation and robotics are pushing and will probably push people out of production completely, one can predict a very sad end for all “civilized” states.
            1. 0
              14 February 2025 15: 35
              Even fully automated production will have its owner, a private owner, a collective owner or the state. In addition, ANY robots, manipulators and automated lines need to be serviced, lubricated, repaired, wearable parts replaced, software designed and invented for them, new technologies, new machine parts and mechanisms created... Designers, technologists, electricians, hydraulics, pneumatics, electronics, programmers, plumbers... Who will service all this "cybernetic splendor"? I think that for the next 50 years, people will have enough work).
              1. 0
                14 February 2025 16: 03
                Only a very small part of people, the rest of the bourgeoisie will try to be expended. The only question is what their income will be, with such a small number of people. AI will design and repair the waste pipe and write the program.
                1. 0
                  14 February 2025 16: 24
                  Any facts in the History of mankind and human societies are the results of uncompromising political and economic struggle. Therefore, laws are just a legal expression of the political will of the ruling class. You do not want to deal with economics and politics in YOUR interests? Then "outsiders" or others in THEIRS will deal with them! That is the whole "truth" of life...
                  1. +1
                    14 February 2025 17: 08
                    What political economy? The rifle gives birth to power. And nothing else.

                    You are a naive person. Who will allow you to defend YOUR interests? You will instantly become a foreign agent or a terrorist. The parasite has drawn all the conclusions from the past and has stored up so many treats for today's irresponsible slackers that they enjoy everything. Download from the depths, drag consumer goods from China and everything will be fine.
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                      14 February 2025 18: 15
                      You can come to power with bayonets, but it is impossible to stay in power, much less develop economically and politically. And I am not naive, because I know - NOTHING WILL BE FOREVER. Moreover, we do not live on an uninhabited island and are surrounded by strong and predatory civilizations. And the population that survived the 90s is no longer the same as it was in the USSR and hoped for the paternalism of power). If you do not see this, then you are a naive person (.
                      1. +1
                        14 February 2025 18: 23
                        It's quite possible. Just jump from a feudal village to an industrial power in 10 years, smash these predatory neighbors to smithereens, and rush into space. All the while holding tightly by the throat those who want to speculate.
                        And I see that the population is not that. Irresponsible lazy people
                        You won't create anything with them. And especially on the basis of a selfish emergency.
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                        14 February 2025 18: 29
                        If qualified specialists in production receive 50 thousand, and delivering pizza - 150-t, then what, is this the problem of specialists? Or the market, which "decided everything" for the DIRECT benefit of the "nomenklatura" and raw materials oligarchs and officials who feed from their hands? But in general, if everyone has "their own" truth, then we will remain, each - with his own (.
                      3. +1
                        14 February 2025 18: 31
                        All this was generated by capitalism, i.e. the emergency.
          2. 0
            14 February 2025 14: 37
            Tell me more about the "times of Ochakov and the conquest of Crimea"). There is no absolute Truth. Since, with time, the development of productive forces, education of the population and the way of life in cities, your truths, at first, become relative, as new ones appear, and then, in general, become a point of view for a "narrow" circle of specialists or the personal opinion of ordinary people. Your "Soviet" examples are suitable only for the "Soviet" population, which recently moved from the village or the countryside to the city. And for city dwellers, already in the third generation, the issues of legal relations of specific and advantageous to THEM forms of ownership and the state, public authority and self-government come to the forefront. And, by the way, cooperatives can be part of ANY economic model. The history of cooperatives in the West counts centuries of their functioning. And the size of the "cooperative" can be either small, sewing shoes or outerwear, or large, in the form of a petty-bourgeois corporation producing airplanes. Since the principles of self-government are scalable and depend only on the “framework” that the state power forms for them and on the will and desire of the representatives of the public power, on their consciousness and social culture in structuring THEIR life in the conditions of the existence of private property.
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              14 February 2025 17: 24
              The petty bourgeoisie can't make airplanes. It'll be too small. It won't cope. Yes
              And the government, under the rule of the emergency, and therefore the profiteer, protects only its own interests. A worker cannot influence the process in any way, in principle. Only toil for a rich private uncle.
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                14 February 2025 18: 02
                You probably didn't understand me. I'm not writing about the size of enterprises, but about the form of ownership and its legal relations with state power. If you worked in large-scale production during the USSR, in particular, in military production, like I did, then you saw that ALL educated and qualified specialists are self-sufficient and, within the framework of the organization of the division of labor, know each "their maneuver" perfectly. And the legal "framework" for them is determined either by the socialist or, as now, the capitalist state and the spider - the bloodsucker private owner together with the parasites - the shareholders). But if all workers are self-sufficient, then they are able to choose, from THEIR ENVIRONMENT, the administration and management personnel. Yes, it will not be a skilled worker, not an ordinary employee, but a specialist who knows and manages R & D, the technological process or the assembly process, and the release of the final product, that is, the chief designer, chief technologist, chief mechanic or power engineer, but these will be, firstly, THEIR OWN specialists, secondly, "grown up" at the enterprise from the "young", and thirdly, the work collective, through its supervisory structure, IN THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTROLLING THEM AND, IN CASE OF EXTREME NEED, LIMITING OR RE-ELECTING. Since the property is common and the responsibility is also COMMON. And the social culture and the technological need for the division of labor will OBLIGATORILY FORCE specialists to interact and agree. Only lazy people and bad workers will have a bad time. They WILL NOT SUCCESS in collective private property. And then, everyone knows how much each operation costs, each technological section will have information panels of the intelligent control system, where all data will be displayed in real time "in dynamics". And it will be very clear who is working, and who is hanging around with something), what real problems and inconsistencies arise in production, what rational proposals and inventions are needed to optimize the process and further development... The collective mind of collective owners can work wonders)...
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                  14 February 2025 18: 30
                  How will you divide the buns? Capitalism is egoism, it doesn't imply anything else. And what to do with individuals who are used to solving problems by force? And will the half-educated and the botched die out of starvation? No way, they will merge with the former and you will forget about optimization and development. You will get tired of waving them off.
                  I really liked your last sentence. This is socialism-communism. hi
  12. 0
    13 February 2025 17: 16
    Assad was also paid. Otherwise, he wouldn't have taken 20 billion dollars in suitcases when he escaped.
    It's just that the new authorities want to do it officially and at market price.
    1. +1
      13 February 2025 17: 26
      We need to determine how much the tyrant Assad ended up stealing: 20 billion, 135 billion, 200 billion. belay Real estate found in Moscow so far for 49 million. Assad's treachery knows no bounds - stole 200 billion, showed 49 million. laughing
      1. +1
        13 February 2025 18: 44
        You're digging shallowly. And how much, over 30 years, "our" financial and commercial oligarchy "invested", that is, put into OOO "Ukraine"? And how much has it already spent and will still spend to collect debts and return the property? How many people have died and will still die for large "Ukrainian" retail, large-scale development, infrastructure, engineering networks and systems, large-scale logistics, etc. And, most importantly, who will own all this after the war? As an example, we can consider Crimea, after it "returned to its native harbor"...
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          13 February 2025 19: 24
          I never thought I would ever use the classic phrase "It's different," but in this case it really is different. Syria and Ukraine cannot be compared as projects.
          1. +1
            13 February 2025 20: 14
            Yes? And the money, material and human resources, the possibilities and results of "investment"? And, directly and indirectly, the lost and forgone profits, property, assets, wasted concessions? The names of countries may change, but the mechanisms and instruments of usurers and speculators are the same. And from the fact that they DIDN'T REACH AN AGREEMENT, in both places, it is, in my opinion, the same thing (... Although for us, "statisticians", what difference does it make, in essence...
          2. Aag
            +1
            13 February 2025 20: 15
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            I never thought I would ever use the classic phrase "It's different," but in this case it really is different. Syria and Ukraine cannot be compared as projects.

            Without going into the assessment of the situation, - simply, - for the reaction, the Author's answer, - already a "plus".
            The second one, - sorry, - there is nowhere to put it, - for defending, arguing your opinion. (You don't even have to delve into the essence, - just, - the Author's approach to what is written, to the audience.) Bravo! - I didn't appreciate the article, - only the attitude, the reaction of the Author... hi
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              13 February 2025 21: 42
              Thank you for the kind words hi
              But in principle I always try to have a dialogue after the material. Well, unless it's really "terminal" comments and questions. However, they are not a frequent occurrence.
              1. Aag
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                13 February 2025 22: 09
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                Thank you for the kind words hi
                But in principle I always try to have a dialogue after the material. Well, unless it's really "terminal" comments and questions. However, they are not a frequent occurrence.

                IMHO: good words, bad words... I want justice!!
                Thank you for the communication and the article!
                hi
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                  13 February 2025 22: 16
                  Justice is a state of balance that the parties reach in any discussion, dispute, or even in something more difficult. wink
                  Whether justice is truth is a much more interesting question. winked
                  Thank you for the communication, mutually hi
      2. 0
        14 February 2025 06: 59
        Assad didn't live in the Stone Age. Investments in securities, offshore accounts, etc., etc. What he took with him in his suitcases when he left Latakia was his "duty suitcase", prepared for just such events.
  13. Aag
    +1
    13 February 2025 20: 07
    Colleagues
    But please tell me, where is that fine line? Well, between the concepts of "keeping your nose to the wind" and being a weather vane?
    I remember that evil bearded men (not excluded from the terrorist lists) were received in the Kremlin. /That happened, right?! /.
    And how will others look at us, our Country? The question is rhetorical...
    In terms of recent daily events...
    Oh, it's scary: the Kremlin and the White House will swear... Eeeee?! And how will Iran, China, India react? (We can continue listing - we'll leave the lulling tales about the increased GDP to Channel One - for us the measure is receipts in stores!!! And who cares - the prices for oil, the dollar, etc. - are growing, not good... Oh, yes! Supposedly the incomes of Russians have grown too... Please show me these Russians... (Sechin, Miller - don't suggest!).
    Sorry, colleagues, I was wrong, it just slipped out... I'll correct myself...
    hi
  14. 0
    14 February 2025 12: 34
    Regional context
    Yes, it's always about context. Your influence in a region is not determined by logistical chains or the presence of your troops, but by your ability to physically intervene in the situation and change it in your favor.
    For example, the American base in Syria, At-Tanf, and our base in Tartus. What is the difference, other than the fact that our base is there legally, and the American base is illegal? In the military capabilities of ours and the American ones.
    From this point of view, it is logical for us to rely not on the powerless Iraqis, but on the Iranians, who have a large armed force. True, for this they need to be properly armed, after all, they are not up to the task against the Jews in their current form, and have a much greater influence on their foreign policy than now, otherwise it is empty troubles. Only in this case can we gain control over the region. And so, investing money without having their military cover - this may well be an empty waste, like the Nord Stream, like the same Tartus base, like humanitarian aid to Assad, in the end.
    P.s. The author is increasingly fond of scientific and very vague formulations, which makes his articles less and less readable. Sometimes it seems that he himself does not really understand what exactly he wanted to say. A person who understands the essence expresses himself simply, so the author would do well to abandon this tendency.
  15. +1
    14 February 2025 19: 53
    You've found someone to talk to... With "barmaleys", even if it's the main "barmaley"...
  16. 0
    16 February 2025 23: 59
    What can you negotiate with a puppet? It will be the way its master wants it anyway.