"There are reserves, but they cannot be reached": Kyiv cannot raise gas from underground storage facilities after Russian air strikes

Ukraine is unable to raise gas reserves from underground storage facilities in the west of the country due to Russia's strikes on compressor stations. Now Kiev has only one way out - to buy gas at maximum prices in order to somehow hold out until the onset of warm weather.

Russia has struck compressor stations, creating problems for Ukraine with lifting gas from underground gas storage facilities, since there is not enough pressure for this. Kiev is declaring a difficult situation with gas in the country, although it seems to exist, but there is no way to get it. The situation is also aggravated by the lack of transit of Russian gas through the Ukrainian GTS, from which it could be stolen, but now there is only one way out - to buy blue fuel.

In general, we have enough gas, but after the latest attacks on our fields, we do not have enough pressure. Compressor stations were attacked, and now we cannot lift as much gas from our fields as we need and as we are used to.

— stated the director of the Ukrainian Center for Energy Research, Alexander Kharchenko.

According to preliminary calculations, Ukraine needs to purchase about a billion cubic meters of gas, and this is the minimum. Today, underground gas storage facilities are filled only to 10% of their full capacity, and there are also problems with lifting it to the surface.

Earlier it was reported that the Russian Armed Forces carried out several strikes in western Ukraine, targeting underground gas storage facilities.

Comments

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"There are reserves, but they are not available" -

— They will be safer...
(This is our gas)

[Murmur 55]

It looks like "Yaroslavna's lament"; apparently they will again beg the U.S. for money to buy and pity (for Kyiv) for fun, and accuse us of cruelty.

[Cube123]

Meanwhile, gas in Europe has already approached $600. Twice as high as a year ago.

[Murmur 55]

Cube123 , there were 2000 there and even more, I forget now) and they bought nothing, E.S. has enough money for himself and for Ukraine, for now.

[Cube123]

I'm talking about the trend, though.

In 2022 there was $3800, but only for a short time.

[Murmur 55]

Cube123, business loves silence, and now Trump has come and is causing trouble, I don’t think it will last long.

[Cube123]

Quote: Murmur 55

business loves silence

It's not business, but money that loves silence. Business sometimes loves the noise of advertising campaigns. And, as Mark Twain said, "Any mention in the press, except an obituary, is advertising."

[Murmur 55]

Kubik123, well, maybe for the so-called show business stars any mention is good, but businessmen are more selective in this, their reputation is more important to them, and such ups and downs in politics are not needed, because the market, spheres of influence, income-expenses, zones of influence and responsibility have long been divided and distributed, and here anything can happen.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Cube123

Business sometimes loves the noise of advertising campaigns.

Not only.
Business also loves wars and crises.
This is from the category of Deningsky: “There is no crime that capital would not commit for the sake of 300% profit.”

[Murmur 55]

Hitriy Zhuk , depending on what business, I'm talking about war, if you produce bandages, painkillers and other medicines, or shells and cartridges, then yes, you will be in the black, but if you have tourism or car dealerships, then the war is missing the mark.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Murmur 55

tourism or car shows

They downvoted us.
What I meant was that great upheavals, for business/capital (in general) are simultaneously times of great opportunities (if you manage to survive the upheavals themselves).

Well, look.
Tourism.
Let's say you're a huge businessman and you have a resort in Sochi or Spain. It doesn't matter.
You help to start a war in Turkey (or it itself, it doesn’t matter either) and get an influx of tourists.
It’s clear that somewhere THERE the same resort will fall apart, but what business is it of yours?
Or maybe you can buy it, even if it’s not in disrepair, for next to nothing, as a long-term investment.

Same with the car dealership. At least in the short term, the rich people who fled the war will either want to sell you a car or buy you a new one.
Or maybe the Pentagon will make a profit (and has it ever not made a profit? ) and from there they will come for a new cart.

Again, you can sell something to the military or civilians.
We remember the "funny fashion plague" and forced masks at one's own expense.
Yes, it doesn’t seem like a war (although it looks very much like a biological weapon, and the US is involved), but you’re still seething.
The book "War is a Racket" described some truly masterpiece cases (but who knows if they were authentic).

[Victor Alien]

For a long time - there will be a change of elites everywhere at the root. First the USA, then Europe, and then they will clean us out quickly and quietly. Ours will clean up afterwards, no matter what the locals support (their own problems will be closer to them). Changing shoes will not help everyone.

[Murmur 55]

Victor Alien , yeah, and the current elite that is now in power will calmly sit and wait until they are replaced root and branch, and they will not fight for their own benefits.

[Victor Alien]

That's why they're pulling them one by one. They let Redhead go, he's still helping somehow, and they've already closed down a couple of his deputies. So everything is slowly crawling into chaos. They're breaking the system - it couldn't handle it. The fun is just beginning.

[Murmur 55]

Viktor Chuzhoy, these are not the right figures to talk about changing the elites. And they won't break the system until they build another one. Otherwise, hello "holy 90s."

[Reklastik]

But winter is almost over, and with the reduction in production in Europe, they will soon not need gas in the volumes they used to.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Murmur 55

It looks like "Yaroslavna's lament"; apparently they will beg E.S. again.

You can beg, but you are unlikely to get it, since the GTS system is set up in such a way that the turbines blow towards Europe and it was not envisaged to turn them in the opposite direction during the construction of the GTS. All this talk about "reverse supplies" is a smokescreen to cover up the fact that the Bandar-logs stupidly took part of the transit gas from the general flow and paid the Europeans extra for this service on top of the price allegedly for the reverse. Businessmen both in Ukraine and in Europe profited from this scheme, since the difference was paid out of their own pocket by the "happy" Ukrainian citizen "freed from dependence" on Russian gas.

Quote: Murmur 55

E.S. - the USA has money for purchases and it is a pity (for Kyiv) to have fun, and to accuse us of cruelty.

It seems that there are also problems with money there and pouring the same funds into Ukraine as before is becoming futile since the expected defeat of Russia is not observed, which does not guarantee the return of the invested funds, and Trump's voiced idea that Europe will restore Ukraine at its own expense since it was Europe that broke the peace agreement between Moscow and Kiev, generally plunges them into melancholy and despondency. In addition, the European economy is declining and they do not have so much extra money that throwing it down the drain of the Bandarlog would not harm their political career.

[Murmur 55]

Nyrobsky , as for gas, they were mixing up some "liquid" there, I can't say about the mass production, but they pumped out a trial run, I think. And as for the money, that's a moot point, the Germans have already approved 3 billion, the Brits have promised 2, so they have money.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Murmur 55

As for gas, they seemed to be mixing up some kind of "liquid" there. I can't say about the mass production, but they seemed to be pumping out a test batch.

Alexander, they weren't exactly "stirring up the slush" there, they were actually extracting regular natural gas, which was quite enough to burn on internal burners, and there was some left to sell to neighbors with a small markup, which was compensated by cheap gas from Russia, but now, taking into account heat supply, energy production and industrial needs, it is clearly not enough, and they closed transit in favor of mattresses, which deprived them of the "reverse" at the expense of which they were making money with the Europeans. And then there was such a hit on the UGS and compressors that they can't raise the gas.
In general, I wanted to say that no matter how much they "beg" from the EU, it is problematic to organize a real gas purge from Europe. They seem to have purchased a trial batch of American LNG that will come through Greece, but it is interesting how this will be carried out regasification and delivery, or delivery in some tanks? For the first option, you need a pipe where "the wind blows towards Ukraine", and for the second - the presence of a sufficient number of tanks for transportation and the availability of capacities for regasification on site.

Quote: Murmur 55

As for the money, this is a moot point, the Germans have already approved 3 billion, the British have promised 2 billion, so there is money.

I agree that they will be allocated something to support their pants, but it seems to me that there is no longer any talk of allocating aid in the tens and hundreds of billions, since the original goal for which everything was started has not been achieved and here the principle itself - "All means are good to achieve the goal" - no longer works. It is becoming increasingly difficult for them to explain to their citizens why they should endure hardships for the sake of Ukraine.

[Des]

Thank you for your sensible and normal comments.

[Beringovsky]

Quote: Nyrobsky

You can beg, but you are unlikely to get it, since the GTS system is set up in such a way that the turbines blow towards Europe and it was not planned to turn them in the opposite direction during the construction of the GTS...

Don't write nonsense. You can pump gas in any direction, the rotation of the turbine has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand this at all, why are you fantasizing?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Beringovsky

Don't write nonsense. You can pump gas in any direction, the rotation of the turbine has nothing to do with it.

Write nonsense, what is the problem? In order to pump gas in any direction, the Ukrainian and European GTS must be looped into one circuit and then gas can be pumped through a network of gas distribution stations, which is quite realistic, but Europe has its own GDS (gas distribution system), and Ukraine has its own GDS. Within Europe, gas could be distributed through GDS to underground gas storage facilities, domestic consumption and industry, just like in Ukraine, but in its own circuit. These circuits, like the number "8", were connected by a point of delivery and reception of pumped gas. But there was and is no single circuit, like the number "0", to pump it between the EU and Ukraine. These two looped systems (the Ukrainian SSR and Europe) were connected by a point of metering the delivery and reception of passing gas volumes. In each of these systems, the turbines work by pumping gas pressure in one direction, respectively, the gas rotates in each of these systems separately. There is no single ring between Ukraine and the EU. To organize the reverse, it is necessary in this
conditional "8" eight, in addition to the point of delivery and reception of gas, make a jumper, then the gas can be driven through the gas distribution system anywhere.
The Ukrainian GTS is part of a once unified system created in the USSR, which was an exporter of gas to Europe, and the USSR needed reverse gas imports like a hare needs a stop sign. There was only one direction - "THREE, to the WEST". During the years of independence, the Bandar-logs did nothing in terms of modernizing their GTS and stupidly devoured the Soviet legacy while stealing gas. When Russia said that Ukraine's gas theft had gotten on its nerves and that it would reduce gas supplies to Europe by the volumes that would be stolen, the EU and Kiev gave this theft a civilized form by calling it "reverse", but the Bandar-logs had to pay Europe for the seized gas volumes, and with a markup, as for reverse. And so, there are no turbines or gas pipelines pumping in the opposite direction.

[tralflot1832]

The West reported that we have recently straightened out 1/3 of Ukraine's gas production capacity. The annual capacity was 13,9 billion cubic meters per year. The Poles lent a shoulder to a "friend" (a friend in need will not abandon you) they are the only ones who can do this, but gas is only spot $595 per 1000 cubic meters. The price is on Friday, next week the price should exceed the psychological ceiling of $600, the Americans are trying their best to brazenly violate long-term contracts. Spot gas is more expensive! And gas becomes spot immediately in the US and not in Europe. And they have economic reasons for this.

[tralflot1832]

If you take a calculator and divide the annual gas production by days, you will get some interesting figures, very interesting. It is also interesting about oil products - the Ukrainians have been sitting on only Western oil products for a long time now.

[Victor Alien]

There is no "shoulder" or friend there...

[Thrifty]

I would also like to launch a series of strikes at the storage facilities to smash them into dust with the Daggers!

[Murmur 55]

Thrifty , too many "Daggers" will have to be used, these are not reservoirs, but rock, roughly speaking, in order to destroy it you need to hit very hard, very specifically.

[Thrifty]

Murmur55: for the necessary work, it is not a pity to waste Daggers, here three pieces are enough so that they hit the same point one after another, with an interval of half an hour, thus each new Dagger increases the damage from the blow of the previous one.

[Andobor]

UGC are porous layers at depths of hundreds and thousands of meters; it is impossible to destroy them; only surface structures can be destroyed - cranes, compressors.

[Thrifty]

Androbor - seriously? Have you ever seen blasting operations in the mountains? Mountains are a rock made of granite and basalt, it can be folded there by directed blasts so that a hill remains from the mountain.

[Andobor]

Of course, seriously, explosives are placed in boreholes, cracks will go several meters below the boreholes, I am a geologist and have dealt with underground gas storage and blasting operations. It is impossible to destroy underground gas storage layers even with a nuclear explosion.

[Alexey Lantukh]

There was such a case in the Kharkov region: two emergency gas wells were extinguished with a low-power nuclear charge. It seems to have been 50 x 50 percent. After such extinguishing, according to local residents, some springs ceased to be springs, and in some places new ones formed over time. So you are right: the underground gas storage layers are unlikely to be significantly damaged, but it is possible to shut off or damage the wells.

[Andobor]

In order to plug the well with a nuclear explosion, they drilled an inclined well hundreds of meters deep into the area of ​​the emergency shaft, and blew it up there; if they banged, nothing would happen on the surface.

[Victor Alien]

The reservoirs are most likely underground - it's hard to get even a nut there. If they did it like the SPG in the Orenburg region - with low-power underground nuclear explosions. If what they said about them is true. They say that even coal here emits radiation.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

I would also like to launch a series of strikes at the storage facilities to smash them into dust with the Daggers!

What "Daggers"? The storage facilities are located at a depth of up to 2 km, even a megaton charge cannot reach there. That is why they only strike at external infrastructure.

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

There are still a lot of them in harem pants.

[Turbuta Dave]

I've been hearing for 10 years that Ukraine is freezing, but nothing has changed.

[Vladimir60]

The eye sees, but the tooth does not feel!

[Fedor Sokolov]

"There are reserves, but they cannot be reached," and this is already very bad; it is necessary to destroy not the ground-based UGS equipment, but the gas reserves themselves, using bunker-busting warheads for this purpose.

[Normann]

How so? It will penetrate for several hundred meters, even if so, then what?

[Nastia makarova]

You've never had more stupid posts.

[Earl]

Now we cannot lift as much gas from our fields as we need and as much as we are used to

So it's time to wean ourselves off the habit. Decommunization is not only busification and de-electrification, but also de-gasification of the entire country!

[nepunamemuk]

There are still 750 kV of substation left to be installed
and there seems to be electricity but it won't be possible to use it

[Alex_Bora]

We don't have enough pressure at our fields. Compressor stations were attacked, and now we can't lift as much gas from our fields as we need and as much as we are used to

Actually, the official spoke about strikes on compressors at production sites, and this is not a UGS at all. Once again, the author of VO named "Anonymous" makes loud conclusions about the wrong thing.

[Andobor]

UGS facilities are structured in exactly the same way as deposits, because UGS facilities are, in most cases, depleted deposits.
In Ukraine, 12 out of 14, only 2 are suitable porous layers where there has never been gas.

[PN]

From the text I understood that the gas rise is not reduced to zero, but minimized. That is, something is pumped, but it is not enough. Then it would be necessary to add.

[single-n]

There is simply nothing to download there. 10% is practically empty space.

[NKT]

The article is all mixed up. Compressors are needed to transport the raised gas further, and for the gas production itself, the energy of the formation is needed, which is determined by the formation pressure. Less gas in the formation - less pressure - less well flow rate.

[ZloyCat]

"The article is all mixed up. Compressors are needed to transport the raised gas further, and for the d"
Well, how can commentators know the technology? Ignorance of the laws of physics frees one from doubts, but one can talk about nuclear strikes, so beloved by many here

[Metallurg_2]

we can't raise as much gas as we need and as much as we are used to

It sounds more correct: we can’t steal as much gas as we used to.
Because at all times they were the ones stealing it.

[Yuri L]

It is absolutely unclear. The UGS seems to be being straightened out. That is good. BUT why can urine still claim in principle that it will buy gas from Europe? Let it need 1 billion m3, for which it is necessary to spend 500-600 million green rubles. No matter, the good uncle will give it (now I am thinking, of course, only in exchange not for mythical rare earth elements, but for very real organs for transplantation, taken not entirely voluntarily from the creatures inhabiting urine). The question is, why in principle can the question of gas supplies from Europe still be raised there? Why does Urine need gas in principle, aren't there trees in the cities, all sorts of boxes in landfills, wooden fences, tires from vehicles, furniture from the population to power the stoves in their apartments, finally? When will the main compressor stations in the West of Urine be finally cancelled, which could provide not virtual, as before, but physical gas supplies from the same Slovakia and Poland? Urine no longer needs any gas in principle, it needs to forget this environmentally unfriendly word forever, as well as the word "coal". Dung - that's what the new environmentally verified system of electricity and heat supply of Urine should be based on from now on. So when will ecology come into its own there????

[yuriy55]

"There are reserves, but they cannot be reached": Kyiv cannot raise gas from underground storage facilities after Russian air strikes

And the other day, one wise user focused attention EXACTLY on this aspect, but no one heard him... And in vain... Life experience and practice can be more important than the theory of mass management strategy...

[Victor19]

Now this is a success of our Aerospace Forces and the army. And a serious one at that. The GTS was a connecting gas transport artery for the Ukrainian economy. Now it will quickly fall into decline without Russian gas flows.

[_KGB-USSR_]

The next stage will be the increase in prices for potbelly stoves, if we look further, then the tax on stove pipes of the image: "England 1660"...

[single-n]

If there is 10% in the storage, then there is practically no gas. This is the minimum remainder. It is like trying to drain ALL the oil from the engine. Theoretically, it is possible, but in practice, the only way is to saw the block.
However, winter is ending. The EU will pay for gas for 404. And Uncle Trump will gladly supply it. What didn't fly was 404's attempt to make money by storing gas from the EU.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Single-n

The EU will pay for gas for 404. And Uncle Trump will happily supply it

Pay and deliver - that's still possible. But how to deliver? As I understand it, the pipeline only works in one direction, and for liquid gas, terminals need to be built for billions of money. In Odessa, yeah. And send gas tankers there through the Bosphorus.
A non-trivial problem is emerging.

[single-n]

Not in one. You remember how Zelensky was messing with the EU with a proposal to store their gas in Ukraine? So it seems there is an opportunity to send gas back.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Single-n

it is possible to return the gas

Again, as far as I understand, there are a couple of such places in the border areas with real reverse flow, which allow gas to be pumped in from the West and then sent back. But you can't supply all of Ukraine with gas this way.

[single-n]

I don't know. I'm not a gas worker. But I think it's possible to rebuild the network.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Single-n

it is possible to rebuild the network

You can even build a new one, but it is very expensive.

[ZloyCat]

"I don't know. I'm not a gas worker. But I think it's possible to rebuild the network."
easy, it all depends on the pressure difference. I say this as a gas worker

[sagitovich]

Frosts hit here at the end of winter. A slight but steady minus.

[Revolver]

Now Kyiv has only one way out - to buy gas

And what money for? The master ataman has no gold reserves (c)

[Dutchman Michel]

American gas companies are probably rubbing their hands with joy now that they have found another idiotic customer for their liquefied gas.

[faterdom]

It’s even surprising that they didn’t think of selling these reserves to someone, the same Orban and Fico, 10 minutes before the attack.
Or give it to Trump or Usrullah.

[ss29]

They had calculated that the gas would last until February 17. Then they go on to refuse our strikes. The question is, who are they going to buy from?

[Nord11]

And if, at the signal of the yellow-blue rocket, each sincere person blows into his own burner on the stove, then the pressure can drive the gas back to the seller...

[Mikhail3]

That is, the compressors of the pumping stations are damaged. Each compressor is millions of dollars in the base, millions more for the piping, and about a year of installation. Sometimes less, but in these conditions - more than a year) And ours are still sparing the equipment, they could have hit the storage facilities themselves. Then - several decades, and no guarantee that it will be possible to restore anything at all...

[Rage66]

Overall, we have enough gas, but after the latest attacks on our fields

The man is confused in his testimony
Doesn't understand the difference between a field and an underground gas storage facility
The attacks were on the western regions, and the main deposits are located in the Kharkov and Poltava regions.

[Volunteer Marek]

Yes, the gas was stolen a long time ago. So they say that it is there, but it is not there.

[Aleksey24]

The Ukrainian way of fighting for independence is to give your lands to another state to fight against a state that is seizing your lands, and then explain to your people that they don't need these lands.

[sagitovich]

"They've gotten used to it!
We've gotten used to living for free!

[drags33]

Why do they need gas? Their pipes are painted in the national colors (in the colors of the flag) - let them admire it ))))))