A photo of a Russian Su-57 fighter jet and an American F-35 jet flying side by side at an airfield in Bangalore, India, has appeared online.

Russia's fifth-generation fighter jet Su-57 landed at the Indian Air Force's Yelahanka Air Force Station in Bangalore on February 6, 2025, to participate in the aviation Aero India 2025 exhibition. At the same time, the Americans deployed their F-35 fighter to Bangalore.

A photo taken in Bangalore, India, ahead of the Aero India 2025 exhibition has appeared online, showing a Russian Su-57 and an American F-35 simultaneously. Both aircraft will be on display at the air show, where potential buyers will be able to evaluate the models on display. The exhibition organisers believe that the two fighters will be the highlight of the air show.

The Russian Su-57 and the American F-35 are meeting, so to speak, one-on-one for the first time. Both aircraft will be presented statically, but the Russian fighter will also work out its flight program, while the Americans have decided not to take risks and will not lift their aircraft into the air. As experts suggest, so as not to look "pale" against the background of the Russian fighter, which will be piloted by test pilot, Hero of Russia Sergei Bogdan. And if you remember what the Russian aircraft did under Bogdan's control in Zhuhai, China, then the American decision can only be welcomed. Previously, they stated that the "advantage" of the F-35 is "invisibility", not maneuverability.

The Americans hope that after the air show the Indians will prefer the F-35 as a fifth-generation fighter, ours are also not averse to selling the Su-57 to India and have already offered New Delhi to organize joint production of the aircraft on Indian territory. We will see what decision the Indians will make quite soon, if it is not delayed again, as they like to do in India.

Comments

[Joker62]

The exhibition organisers believe that these two fighters will be the highlight of the air show.

The highlight of the air show will be the Su-57E, which already created a real sensation among the Chinese at the Zhuhai Air Show.
As for the F-35 itself, the "fat" penguin - it won't show much good...

[Nexcom]

...but for now it's the penguin that's being bought in full swing.....The Jucheans should be given the Su-57E so that they themselves could start producing an export version - that would make the Japanese tense up...

[tralflot1832]

Dmitry, in order to come out on top, the Americans need to foist off 20 F 000 on themselves and their partners (I thought the penguin was worth $35 million)

[Nexcom]

This is not realistic, Andrey. There are not that many of them falling, and again, not everyone has that kind of money for a penguin. It is very expensive for some countries.

[tralflot1832]

Dmitry, the costs of the F 35 program are $2 trillion, otherwise it's a budget embezzlement! They steal like we can't even dream of.

[ASSAD1]

Andrey, what are our figures for Su 57? And by the way, Wiki writes about 55 billion. Maybe they are lying.

[tralflot1832]

Nikolay. Wiki, as always, is lying, that's for sure - but SU 57,75 are not cheap projects.

[Vitaly161]

There is information that the development of the Su 57 cost our treasury about 400-500 billion rubles, which is certainly not cheap, but still cheaper than the F 35.

[Orange Bigg]

By today's standards, that's pennies.

[Vitaly161]

Of course, it’s not a penny, the only good thing is that the 57th was born without any particular glitches, and works smoothly on the same water cooling system, it’s a pity there aren’t many of them yet.

[Orange Bigg]

You could say that he was born twice. In 2010, the Su-57 was born, and in 2022, the Su-57M made its first flight. In essence, these are 2 different aircraft.

[Vitaly161]

So, there were only 11 prototypes built, 2 of them for ground bench tests, which means that there were some incredible changes made to the airframe...

[Orange Bigg]

Hard in training, easy in battle. And not like the penguin with his shoals.

[Vitaly161]

but they made a penguin in 4 years, and have been fixing the mistakes for 15 years

[Orange Bigg]

With the Su-57, everything is the other way around. It took a long time to sculpt, but we quickly got it right.

[Vitaly161]

Here I can only praise everyone involved, it is cheaper to saw prototypes than to put out a series of dozens of cars on needles, I hope it will be the same with the same Armata +-, they will take a long time to harness, but go fast)

[Nexcom]

Well, they don't fix the bugs for free - there's a modernization program going on, the money is being spent in full swing, everyone is happy...

[Nesvoy]

The $35 trillion F-1,3 program includes: development, delivery of 2700 units into service, upgrades, spare parts, weapons, pilot and personnel training, salaries, etc. through 2050. This is what the $1,3 trillion will be spent on by 2050, not what has already been spent.

[Okko777]

In Modern Warfare, the F-35 plays the role of an almost invisible mini-AWACS of the front line of reconnaissance. It provides target designation in the air and on the surface in real time, including for 4th generation aircraft, which play the role of flying batteries. As a 5th generation aircraft, it is included in the US Combat Information System and this is its main value. Aircraft with the characteristics of 5th generation aircraft without inclusion in such a system are not actually 35th generation aircraft. All F-XNUMX equipment is tailored for the American system. Neither India nor other countries need such an aircraft, unless they are part of the American bloc, and even those countries are not actually buying the aircraft for themselves. Another truth is that such aircraft are not needed in large quantities, since they are not universal. This should have been explained to everyone, including the Indians, a long time ago!

[Rage66]

unit

This sounds powerful.

[Sedov]

...the Americans decided not to take risks and will not launch their aircraft... so as not to look "pale" against the backdrop of the Russian fighter... They previously stated that the F-35's "advantage" is "invisibility" and not maneuverability

You didn't even have to send anything, he's invisible anyway. Not Penguin) - Gopher)

[Orange Bigg]

And yet, the Indians are betting on their 5th generation fighter project AMCA. Why do they need another fighter with the same functionality? India will present a model of its fifth generation fighter Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) for the first time at the international aerospace exhibition Aero India.

. However, the signals coming from New Delhi are not in favor of the Russian manufacturer. India has repeatedly stated that it has its own similar program, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA], and does not want to use foreign alternatives. This position does not only apply to Russia - New Delhi has also rejected a potential purchase of F-35s from the United States.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2025/02/06/russia-to-display-su-75-checkmate-aircraft-at-indian-expo/

[novel66]

What engines? They're not our own.

[Nexcom]

But the Bhopalians did not have them and will not have them - the dances with the national Indian aircraft engine are even more intricate than with the national tank.

[novel66]

They don't want to work - they want to dance

[Fat]

Quote: Nexcom

And among the Bhopalites

Hello, Dimitri. Bhopal is very famous for its large-scale man-made disaster. Is that why you call Indians that, are you exaggerating? Prime Minister Narendra Modi suggests calling India Bharat. Maybe it would be better to call Indians Bharatians?
Well, of course it’s your business, it’s clear what country we’re talking about.

[Nexcom]

I just confuse them - Bhopal, Bharat....

As soon as you make a typo, it's like, aaaah, an agent, he just doesn't know Russian, he's a plant.
If you make a mistake, you will immediately draw far-reaching conclusions and so on.

This already smacks of some kind of paranoia, honestly.

[Iris]

Which is correct - Iran or Iraq?

[Grits]

Quote: Kasatik

Which is correct - Iran or Iraq?

What is the right way then?
Australia or Austria
Sweden or Switzerland
Guyana or Guiana
Niger or Nigeria
And there is something even more fun...
Korea (North) and Korea (South)
Sudan (North) and Sudan (South)
Congo (DRC) and Congo (PRC)
Guinea, Equatorial Guinea, Guinea-Bissau.
In general, there is a lot to get confused about.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: novel xnumx

What engines? They're not our own.

The French Safran, the British Rolls-Royce, and the American General Electric are already bustling about there.

.As indicated in the IDRW publication, the initial prototype and the subsequent 40 AMCA MkI aircraft are planned to be equipped with GE-F414 engines. This power plant from the American company General Electric was created for the F/A-18E fighter and is considered the most advanced among Western analogues. Subsequently, as part of the implementation of the AMCA MkII project, the Indian defense industry intends to equip the machine with a new engine. As noted in the publication, for these purposes, the GTRE Gas Turbine Research Center (part of DRDO - a rough analogue of Rostec) has begun searching for a foreign partner. Among the candidates are Western companies Rolls-Royce, Safran and GE.

https://topwar.ru/238942-rossija-vne-igry-indija-namerena-ispolzovat-zapadnye-dvigateli-v-istrebitele-pjatogo-pokolenija-amca.html

[Joker62]

Quote: novel xnumx

What engines? They're not our own.

The engines are not theirs - who is this???
Our Su-57(E) has native Russian engines. At the moment, 2 variants are produced - Al-41 and Al-51.
The first option is well suited as an export option.
And the second option is already standard engines for their own.
As for the "penguin" - it's a mystery whose engine is from whom.

[Orange Bigg]

As for the "penguin" - there the devil can break his leg as to whose engine is from whom.

F-35A (CTOL — Conventional take-off and landing);
F-35B (STOVL — Short take-off and vertical landing);
F-35C (CV — Carrier variant).

The F-35A and F-35C are powered by the Pratt & Whitney F135 engine, an evolution of the F119 engine found in the F-22. The F-35B's engine was developed with input from Rolls-Royce Defence.

[bk0010]

Quote from Orange Bigg

And yet the Indians are betting on their 5th generation fighter project AMCA. Why do they need another fighter with the same functionality?

Because they not only need to “place a bet”, but also fly something: their “good neighbors” (Pakistan and China) already have 5th generation fighters.

[Vitaly161]

The Indians were betting on their Arjun, but they will fight with our T-72 and T-90, that’s one.
The Indians are developing a light MFI, actually a classmate of the F 35, the Su 57 is a heavy MFI, which kind of says that

Why do they need another fighter with the same functionality?

In terms of functionality, these are different machines.

[Orange Bigg]

AMSA is a 5th generation medium fighter, and Tejas 2 is a light fighter, the first flight of which is planned for the fourth quarter of 2025. As analogues of the above-mentioned Indian fighters, we can cite our Su-57, which is indeed a 5th generation heavy fighter, and the MiG-35.

[Vitaly161]

Anything that is not heavy, formally light, the MiG 29 will not let you lie, and in general the option of a 2-engine machine, given what the Indians want, is a rebirth of the 29th...

[Orange Bigg]

The same MiG-35 light fighter.

[Vitaly161]

I wrote to you about this, Mig 29/35 is formally called light, although there is nothing light about it, how you got an Indian as average I do not understand

[Orange Bigg]

By the way, there is progress in the right direction regarding the MiG-35.

. the announcement in the spring of 2023 that Russia was returning to the idea of ​​​​producing the MiG-35 did not come as a big surprise. Now it turns out that the MiG-2024 was supposed to undergo combat testing during 35, which means it would take part in combat operations in the SVO zone. According to a UAC representative, these tests were successful and met the expectations of the Russian Air Force. UAC reports changes made to the aircraft's design to ensure its use in a "full-scale" conflict. The aircraft received many technical solutions and used material technologies borrowed from the Su-57.

https://overclockers.ru/blog/kosmos_news/show/202930/Rossijskij-legkij-istrebitel-MiG-35-modernizirovan-i-ispytan-v-boevyh-usloviyah

[Vitaly161]

I'll disappoint you, the MiG-35 won't be in a large series, I still don't understand why they fuss over it like it's a written bag, if a buyer is found abroad, I'll be only glad, but it has no place in the VKS

[Orange Bigg]

Why is it that he has no business in the VKS? The backbone of the air forces of countries like Turkey and Israel is its American competitor from the Cold War, the F-16, which is still being upgraded. If you upgrade the MiG-35, you will get an inexpensive, mass-produced, modern light fighter, which is exactly what is needed in large quantities as workhorses in full-scale wars.

[Vitaly161]

The VKS needs a full-fledged light MIF, which I hope will be the Su 75, and not something in between the F 16 and Su 27/30/35, and in fact the absence of the 35th in the troops only proves its uselessness, because the same Su of all kinds are produced, apparently it is not as cheap as we would like, and in terms of capabilities it is quite inferior to the Sukhari

[Orange Bigg]

The VKS purchased the Su-35S as a temporary solution until the Su-57 was ready. Maybe it would be better to purchase the MiG-35S/Mig-35D until the Su-75 is launched into production. Otherwise, when else would that be, in what year? But the VKS needs a full-fledged light MIF. Time does not wait.

[Vitaly161]

The Su 35S is being purchased now, and it has even been upgraded to the Su 35SM, and in the future the Su 57, Su 35SM and Su 30SM2 will be purchased, there are already contracts, but there are none for the MiG 35, and there won't be any, simply because the concept of a light twin-engine aircraft is fundamentally wrong, the fact that the MiG 2 is not as good as a fighter was proven by the Su 29 in the conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea, where the 27s were simply smashed (although it is understandable why)

[Orange Bigg]

So the main focus will be on the Su-57M, Su-34M and Su-75?

[Vitaly161]

Most likely yes, but the Su 30/35 will be produced for a decent amount of time, and then we'll see, if they find someone to sell it to, good, no, they will work in their native VKS until their resource is exhausted, like the same Su 24M2, they are being removed not because they are not needed, but because the resource is gone....

[Stas157]

Quote: Vitaliy161

The fact that the MiG 29 is not as good as a fighter was proven by the Su 27 in the conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea

What's worse? Is the radar less effective? They promised to attach a squirrel.

[Vitaly161]

Radar, limited number of suspensions and load on them, weak power, poor fuel efficiency of engines, as a result of which a modest combat radius and modest time of duty in the air, the cost of a flight hour is not much lower than heavy fighters, well, and the 29th itself was cheaper simply because it was simpler in everything, now of course all this has been corrected in the MiG 35, but the cost has become almost equal to the same Su 30/35, and why do you need a MiG then? If you add a little and take the Su 35, which pulls more, pulls further, can patrol the same area longer without refueling.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Nexcom

...but for now it's the penguin that's being bought in full swing...

The F-104 was also bought in full swing... If you dictate to the buyer the conditions that he must buy from you, then why won't they even take such a product from you...

[vfwfr]

But for now we can't put it in someone's dark pocket, so that their own people won't see their accounts abroad and at the same time so that the Americans won't veto this account...
And no one will have anything to do with our banks... as for the safety of money for a pension of some high-ranking Indian)

[Thompson]

Do you really think that people buy it for its outstanding characteristics?
You twisted everyone's arms, forcing them to buy this pregnant mare in order to recoup the money invested in her

[Nexcom]

Why such conclusions again? Quite the opposite - that's what I'm writing about - it's expensive, there are problems with the penguin, but despite everything they push sales. And the vassals buy and count...

[TermNachTer]

He won't show anything at all. Flights have been cancelled, the "penguin", as it should be, will stand on the ground)))

[Montezuma]

Quote: TermNachTER

Flights have been cancelled, the "penguin" will remain on the ground as it should be

Reminded me of lines from a poem by M. Gorky: "The stupid penguin timidly hides his fat body in the cliffs."

[Montezuma]

That's hilarious! Well, I understand when zealous minus-takers give me minuses personally, but why Gorky? Or has the Ukrainian "de-Sovietization" now penetrated VO as well?

[TermNachTer]

Because this site is very interesting. It is supposedly Russian, but Russians are not very welcome here. I also sometimes get a dozen minuses, I don't even understand why?)))

[ASSAD1]

Jews don't seem to be hiding very much.

[Nexcom]

...one cunning nation flies because they are finishing it themselves... the Master allowed them to finish and remake it, but without distributing these procedures.

[TermNachTer]

How it flies with this nation and how effectively, we can only guess. Because with this nation it's always the same: 1. Killed everyone - one remains))) like with Hamas, though it's not clear who these shaggy guys are, with AK, handing over hostages.
2. There are NO losses, because they simply cannot exist))) losses are recognized only if the destroyed equipment (corpses) remain in uncontrolled territory.

[Nexcom]

And what kind of losses could a cunning nation have for penguins? They flew out, fired from afar, and returned. There was nothing to get them with. The cunning nation rejoices.

[TermNachTer]

This is of course true. They have half of Israel working to take off a couple of "penguins", but technical failures are possible, you can catch them somewhere from a MANPADS. Again,
Persians were hitting the airbase. Satellite photos were posted, interesting, arrivals
were unambiguous and not in terms of GDP, as the Jews said. BUT - there were no losses)))

[Maz]

Russia — 14 Su-57 units as of October 2023. F-35 — 2443 units produced. Which aircraft do you think India will choose? The one that has flown 8000 hours, has operational experience, technical support, spare parts supply, application experience, or an aircraft that they cannot even produce in the quantities required by a customer like India, in its confrontation with China? And which was damaged at the airfield by an ASU UAV? There is no need to be a fortune teller, if I were the Indians, I would dance with tambourines around the Su-57 to knock down the price from the USA and take the F-35 with Israeli modifications in electronics and weapons. In light of network-centric warfare, the invisible F-35 is preferable to the Su-57.

[Orange Bigg]

India has already selected its 5th generation fighter project AMCA.

[Edik]

Quote from Orange Bigg

India has already selected its 5th generation fighter project AMCA.
Quote

Of course! You didn't sell the SU-57 to India. Where else could they go? Well, they got out of it.

[Polyssenator]

Priority is given to aircraft with combat successes, not to those produced in large numbers and those that are constantly undergoing modifications

[karabas-barabas]

It is clear all over the world which aircraft is a priority now, and which one is of zero interest. The fact that the F-35 either flies poorly or is constantly being improved is only written and talked about on the RuNet, nowhere else, but in real life the F-35 has already become the most reliable MFI in history. And by the way, about combat successes, in the case of the F-35I these are not rumors, at least they talk about targets hit in Assad's Syria and Iran.

[Polyssenator]

Combat success against a clearly weak opponent is not a good indicator.

[karabas-barabas]

For those who have F-35, any opponent is obviously weak. France, the USA, Israel, Sweden, Germany will never fight each other, so they have no chance to try to fight on equal terms with the enemy. And in general, to keep it that way, they try to technologically outpace the rest of the world.

[Polyssenator]

Are you saying that if Russia or China, for example, don't have F-35, then they are obviously weak opponents? I haven't been amused like this here for a long time. Don't write anything else, thank you, that's enough.

[karabas-barabas]

For NATO Air Force, with its thousands of 4+ generation aircraft, more than a thousand 5th generation aircraft, AWACS and SAR satellite groups, neither Russia nor China, nor they together can somehow count on anything other than defeat. Any adequate person understands this, including the Russian Defense Ministry and the Chinese Defense Ministry too. These 5th generation aircraft were created in order to have a technical, and therefore combat advantage over countries that do not have them. What is it that you do not understand in this seemingly simple truth? The Russian Federation cannot fight off the slow-moving drones of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that fly across the entire Russian Federation wherever they need to without any problems!

[Polyssenator]

I asked you not to write funny things anymore. As soon as NATO Air Forces fly towards Russia, they will get, for example, Oreshnik or something even more serious, so stop juggling words. I recommend you remember that Russia and China are nuclear powers and obviously cannot be a weak opponent, which is scared by unfinished planes of the alleged 5th generation.

[karabas-barabas]

The talk was about the Air Force and planes, I think? What does your demagogy about Oreshniki have to do with it now? And what will fly in one direction? They have nothing to send in response? So according to your logic, Kukuruzniki would be enough, because Oreshnik exists.

[Polyssenator]

The Air Force is for Ukraine, for example, for a war with your NATO, other means. There are no willing to try it yet

[Polyssenator]

This is not like chasing Papuans, although if you remember how, for example, the owners of the 5th generation Super Pepelats ran away from Afghanistan, it was very funny to watch. If this example is not enough, then I can remind you about Vietnam.

[karabas-barabas]

Why repeat all this nonsense here? No one ran away from Afghanistan. Trump agreed with the Taliban in January 2019 to withdraw troops in the summer of 2020. And they withdrew as agreed. The Taliban guarded the withdrawal of American troops, so that God forbid someone would do something wrong. Please do not pollute this respected site with all sorts of garbage and disinformation in the future.

[Polyssenator]

Come on, you really don't like it? Well, of course, "it's different"

[Polyssenator]

They abandoned so much, only their heels flashed. And they abandoned their sycophants once again

[karabas-barabas]

Once again, due to your lack of information, you are spouting lies and nonsense. The weapons were not abandoned, but were transferred to the ANA long ago. Why the ANA so quickly sold the country to the Taliban is another question. I repeat, do not pollute the site with all sorts of false information.

[Polyssenator]

You are funny, uncle. Maybe you have something against the Russian army, so don't hide it, tell the truth, continue to praise our enemies.

[Polyssenator]

Don't even dream that a normal war will happen to you. Just burn.

[karabas-barabas]

What kind of sick fantasy is this? There was a discussion about airplanes here, and now you've descended into some sick, bloodthirsty fantasy about everyone burning? Maybe you should see a doctor?

[Polyssenator]

Maybe it would be better for you not to write such funny things with a smart look?

[sergey822]

There is no need to even think about it, India will choose the aircraft that the seller allows to be produced in India itself, and I think it will not be the F-35

[karabas-barabas]

At the moment, not only India has no alternative to the F-35, since there are no analogues anywhere. The problem with the Su-57, in addition to its EPR, is an order of magnitude greater, in addition to the lack of combat use in the Russian Aerospace Forces and a very small number (otherwise they would have shown a detachment of more than 10 long ago), there is still no modern AESA-Radar with AFAR, no modern means of communication, navigation and communications, GPS, Link-16. The F-35 is also the first aircraft of its kind with an open architecture, it is very easily adapted to any customer and is open to future upgrades, which will make them much cheaper and allow the F-35 to be used for a very long time and at a high technical level. From the Indian side, getting the F-35 is of great importance and they are unlikely to insist on producing it themselves, besides, India is unlikely to be a country with such competence. But for the United States, having friction with China, it would be important to tie India, its closest competitor to China, even closer to itself.

[sergey822]

You've written a lot here, I'll answer briefly, let's see what happens

[karabas-barabas]

So this is reality even without India. For the US, having a queue for the F-35, there is no need to get India yet. The US may only have a political interest, to push India closer into its orbit in the confrontation with China, and for India to get the most advanced MFI in this confrontation at the moment.

[ASSAD1]

They were wrong by a thousand, less for now.

[TermNachTer]

And if you count those that are actually in service, and not on paper, then the number will be even less.

[knn54]

-Maz: What kind of aircraft do you think India will choose?
The one for which he will not receive sanctions.

[TermNachTer]

Imposing sanctions on India is somehow more expensive, after all, it is the fifth largest economy in the world, and not in terms of computer numbers, but in the real sector - in production.

[lynnot]

The F-35's reputation, after some repeated innuendo, is far from impeccable. That's probably why it will be an exhibit.

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Lynnot

The F-35's reputation, after some repeated innuendo, is far from spotless.

Only in RuNet and then only on odious articles and comments after reading them. In fact, the F-35 has become the most reliable MFI in history. We take flight hours, the number of operated and accidents. Orders for about 3000 pieces, the queue of those wishing to is growing and they have already released over 1000 long ago. Apparently everyone conspired.

[lynnot]

In fact, the F-35 became the most reliable MFI in history.

How many MFI variants is your selection from? Well, and the purchase of this miracle of technology is a kind of admission of long-term dependence on the USA, since without their participation its operation will be impossible. And naturally, the happy owners will not write about the shortcomings, so as not to upset taxpayers.

[TermNachTer]

His reputation is frankly scandalous. It's simply impossible to talk about it in the West - they'll spit on you))) however, if you compare what Lockheed promised at the beginning and what we have now - these are completely different things.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Maz

In light of network-centric warfare, the stealthy F-35 is preferable to the Su-57.

Invisible to taxpayers? But yes, the F-35 is the coolest at the moment, especially in terms of the price of the flight...

[TermNachTer]

Yes, indeed, the Fighter of bucks, pounds and euros, the most REAL one)))

[Vitaly161]

The F 35 was developed and is being built in cooperation with several dozen of the world's richest countries, it is being produced with their own money, more than 2 trillion dollars have been poured into the development program, and production has been modernized at the expense of these same countries.
The Su-57 was initially developed jointly by India and Russia, but the main concept and refinement were carried out by Russia, since India withdrew from the program. The cost of development (400-500 billion rubles). You are comparing the incomparable, and you do not even take into account that a mass-produced single-engine fighter is suddenly more expensive than a custom-built twin-engine one...
The F-35 has no combat experience (Israel doesn't count, they have a different version, essentially), only a year ago they taught how to use all the standard weapons on board, despite the construction of 2400 units, there are still problems with the software, fuselage, oxygen system, front landing gear and God knows what else, as for me the F-35 is the greatest scam of the USA, after their trick with the dollar, only the States can bend their allies like that

[voyaka uh]

"there are still problems with the software, fuselage, oxygen system, nose landing gear"///
---
1. The software is auxiliary, it calculates the wear of parts before repair. There are no problems with the main software - flights, weapons, communications.
2. No problems with the fuselage.
Sturdy short fuselage, strong trapezoidal wings, handles tight turns better than the F-16.
3. Front strut - only the naval version of the F-35C had this problem. It was solved long ago.
4. Oxygen system. It is common to several types of American aircraft. It is not related to the F-35.

The F-35 is a reliable, easy-to-fly aircraft. Pilots master it quickly.
It requires more technicians for interflight maintenance, which makes it more expensive to maintain.
In all other respects, the F-35 is significantly more capable than any 4th generation aircraft.
At a low price - cheaper than all except the Swedish Grifen.
That's why everyone takes it after tenders, despite the long waiting list.
And not because of American pressure.

[Vitaly161]

"Every frog praises its own swamp"

Nose strut - only the naval variant of the F-35C had the problem

Well, who are you telling fables to? Every year a pair of 35x fall on the front because of the folding front pillar...

Oxygen system. It is common to several types of American aircraft. It is not related to the F-35.

Well, the news was always only about the F-35, that the pilots were brought to the point of fainting, on other types of aircraft, I have not heard such information

Sturdy short fuselage, strong trapezoidal wings, handles tight turns better than the F-16.

Of course it is stronger, that is why only in the last couple of years this type of aircraft does not fly with overload restrictions. The same is with armament, only a couple of years ago it has been able to work with everything that was initially declared, and it also rusted in places, although it was a long time ago, and for a second this is a type of aircraft that has been serially produced for who knows how long... but there are no problems and there never were, what are you talking about.

The software is auxiliary, it calculates the wear of parts before repair. There are no problems with the main software - flights, weapons, communications.

Your brother doesn't have it and never had it, because the States allowed Israel to cut software, the native one raised questions, and didn't work with all types of weapons, maybe they fixed it of course, but the very fact of it is simply SUR.

At a low price - cheaper than all except the Swedish Grifen.
That's why everyone takes it after tenders, despite the long waiting list.
And not because of American pressure.

I almost choked on a cookie just now, 120 million is already cheap, F 16 block 70, about 80 million, F 18 about 80 million, only F 35 and Gripen are more expensive than F 22, wow, and it’s better not to even mention the flight hour, which is more expensive than the same F 15.
This is a great plane, buy more and more often.
P.S. Everyone takes it either because contracts have already been signed, or because they have thrown it into development, or because Uncle Sam said Indonesia and a couple of other countries send their regards.

[voyaka uh]

"because the States allowed Israel to cut software, the native one raised questions, and did not work with all types of weapons"///
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F-35 software is open architecture. Ready for any upgrades, if the manufacturer permits.
The flight control software of the aircraft (the main software) was not touched by Israel. It worked perfectly from the very beginning.
Israel modified the weapons control software for its own types of weapons.
Israel supplemented the software for external awareness by installing additional sensors. And the technologies were transferred to the Americans.
The Europeans have the same aircraft, no worse than the Israelis.
Finland held a detailed and thorough tender before purchasing the F-35.
The Euro-Typhoon, Rafale, Superhornet, Griffin and F-35 were compared.
The result was published among all NATO countries.
The F-35 won by a landslide. Only the Rafale was any match for it.
Although the Finns had the Hornet in service (and a strong lobby for it) and their Swedish friends were actively pushing their Grifen.
The F-35 is objectively better than any 4th generation aircraft.

[Vitaly161]

The F-35 is objectively better than any 4th generation aircraft.

Surprising, right? Otherwise, why would it be needed at all... The Su 57 and F 22 are basically better than any 4++ fighter, progress, you know. You just don't need to mold an icon out of the F 35, the plane was problematic from birth, some things have already been cured, some are being cured now, some will never be cured, this happens in aviation, for example, the P 51 also didn't "take off" right away, and then they made an excellent hawk out of it, which drank a lot of enemy blood.
Unlike many, I do not claim that the F-35 is complete crap, the plane flies, it is in production, and you even have it in combat, but there were and are problems, I am simply surprised by the number of flaws in a seemingly production aircraft built in a huge series by our standards.

[voyaka uh]

"I'm just surprised by the number of mistakes"///
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You are surprised by this because these are the jambs
officially published by the manufacturer.
This is a unique case in the history of military aviation. All other manufacturers hide their mistakes, and these mistakes come to light by accident. From information leaks to accident investigations.
Here, nothing is hidden from potential buyers: here is a list of flaws, and here are the technical details.
Choose between them - what is more important to you. If the shortcomings were important or critical, no one would take the plane, despite the advertising.
.

[Vitaly161]

Warrior, let's be honest, for the money that was poured into the development program by foreign customers, and some of the aircraft were contracted even before the series, Lockheed is obliged to do this.

[TermNachTer]

If you list all the problems of the "penguin", starting with the engine, it will take about five volumes))) but you can't talk about it - it's offensive to suckers)))

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Vitaliy161

more than 2 trillion dollars were poured into the development program

Bullshit, about $50 billion, about the same as other MFIs. And the rest is a stream of consciousness. RF "patriots" like you are just a dream of military-industrial complex officials. You can do nothing and throw in all sorts of nonsense about competition, there will never be pressure from below. The same thing has been happening for years regarding armored vehicles. But I suspect that the combat pilots of the Russian Aerospace Forces understand the technical issue and the level of their native and possible enemy aviation and, to put it mildly, read such comments with bewilderment.

Quote: Vitaliy161

In my opinion, F35 is the biggest scam in the USA

[Vitaly161]

Nonsense, about $50 Billion

The total cost of the program to create the stealth fighter of the new generation F-35 Lightning II has reached $2 trillion. This was reported by the head of the program, Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan. Information from 1,3 is in the public domain. You fans of foreign technology are capable of much more, the way you lick foreign technology, no turbo patriot can

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Vitaliy161

Christopher Bogdan. Info from 14 in the public domain. You fans of foreign technology are capable of much more, the way you lick foreign technology, not a single turbo patriot can do it

This is the cost of production of about 3000 F-35, the cost of their operation, upgrades, spare parts, weapons, training pilots for the entire cycle of the F-35 program for 20-30 years. And not the development of the aircraft. Fans of foreign technology, officials and politicians responsible for the Russian military-industrial complex, are very fond of European yachts, cars and watches, and also "patriots" like you.

[Vitaly161]

You should at least calculate that 3000 F 35 is 300 billion.... damn, at least take a calculator in your hands sometimes, and then write. You don't have to answer me, I understood everything about you

[TermNachTer]

So, this is what Lockheed's idea was based on - to immediately tie suckers (potential buyers) to the program "dead-end", so that they "don't jump"))) you immediately invest money in development and production, and if you want to leave later - leave, but no one will return your money))) and the contribution of other countries to the "penguin" is minimal - secondary parts that the US itself produces, it turns out that they do not change anything for the US. But,
Huge amounts of money have already been received and even more in the future. The program is already estimated at $2 trillion, but as always happens with Lockheed, it will be much more expensive. In general, the story with the F-104 is repeating itself, only at a more advanced level)))

[Vitaly161]

Well, many people guess that this is some kind of scam

[TermNachTer]

And many, foaming at the mouth, prove that the "penguin" is a super-duper airplane, and we simply do not understand anything. And when I give an example of a similar scam of suckers with the F-104, they simply "sprinkle minuses".

[alexoff]

The Indians have a rule - not to buy ready-made products, but to have the seller set up production on the territory of the country

[S. Nikolaev]

Let them rent them. Like submarines)

[karabas-barabas]

Quote from alexoff

The Indians have a rule - not to buy ready-made products, but to have the seller set up production on the territory of the country

This rule works if they are capable of producing equipment of this level. They also simply buy Rafales.

[TermNachTer]

This is what the Indians wanted - it's not working out very well. They wanted a "Rafale", but got secondary technologies that they don't really need)))

[TermNachTer]

How many "penguins" did they make?))) "Lockheed" recently cheerfully reported that a thousand were actually in working order, and not something that sits in storage areas, awaiting modifications.

[knn54]

-ours are also not averse to selling Su-57 to India and have already offered it to New Delhi...
India needs it more, however.

[Joker62]

There are a lot of downvoters here... they were offended for their "fat" penguin, rather than for our handsome one.
It seems that it really bothered him that the "penguin" does not have such graceful and cool aerobatics.
Keep on downvoting, gentlemen downvoters...

[Ezekiel 25-17]

F-35 is too expensive for war and flights: here is how the Yankees managed to cut up the budget

[ASSAD1]

On the Internet they write that the price of the Penguin 82 is a simple configuration, and the Su 57, 22 billion, that is 22 million, at the price they should make the Penguin dry.

[TermNachTer]

It's not even about the price, but about its real combat capability. What serious war did the "penguin" participate in? That's right - none))) and the Su-57 works for the SVO and everything works on it - air defense, SIGINT and EW, the most modern that NATO has.

[ASSAD1]

Why do we need aerobatics in a modern battle? Just to dodge missiles? The Penguin, thanks to the AWACS, which you would agree is better than NATO's, will detect our aircraft earlier and open fire.

[Joker62]

Quote: ASSAD1

Why do we need aerobatics in a modern battle? Just to dodge missiles? The Penguin, thanks to the AWACS, which you would agree is better than NATO's, will detect our aircraft earlier and open fire.

That's exactly it, and you need aerobatics to get away from missiles with little bloodshed, i.e. to gracefully turn around so that the missile itself flies past. And the missile, as everyone knows, has a much larger turning angle than the Su-57. It can literally turn around on a patch of ground.
As for the AWACS, yes, we have very few, no more than ten vehicles, or even less.

[voyaka uh]

"He can literally turn around on a dime."///
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Having reduced the speed to zero.
And this is deadly in combat, although spectacular at an air show.
And to use rotating nozzles, you need to reduce the speed to 0.5 MAX.
It's also risky.

[Nesvoy]

Have you by any chance rewatched Topgun 2, where the Su-57 "effectively" dodges a missile? In reality, planes dodge missiles in a completely different way.

[Fitter65]

Quote: ASSAD1

Penguin, thanks to the AWACS system, which you must agree is better than NATO’s, will detect our plane earlier and open fire.

What if the AWACS is shot down a little earlier? The fact that NATO flies along the borders during peacetime does not mean that they will be able to do so during a confrontation...

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Fitter65

What if the AWACS is shot down a little earlier?

How are you going to shoot down the AWACS if it sees twice as far as any MFI and is accompanied by fighters? Sneak a BUK-2M under its belly?

[alexoff]

Penguin, thanks to the AWACS system, which you must agree is better than NATO’s, will detect our plane earlier and open fire.

here's the question - will they then sell the AWACS and the entire coupling system to the Indians? Can they even go to war? Somehow, during the showdown with Pakistan, they made a terrible mess, there are doubts that they will be able to sell the penguin even if they are given everything. And they won't be given it.

[TermNachTer]

The AWACS system is not present everywhere and not always, so making an aircraft based only on this is not the most reasonable decision. NATO AWACS, nothing is visible in the sky over Ukraine.

[ASSAD1]

We are talking about a NATO plane, not a Ukrainian zoo.

[TermNachTer]

And who told you that there will always be an ideal situation, like they hammered Yugoslavia or Iraq? Don't you think that other options are possible?

[TermNachTer]

On this Russian site))) there are a lot of "guys" who do not deceive each other))) do not pay attention.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

The Indian passion for complex solutions is well known.

[Nexcom]

For Bharatians, the main thing is to tinker with technology in order to have a reason to stick on the Made in India label.
then when the screw-ups start, the dancing and purchasing of foreign weapons begins. Never mind that billions of rupees were wasted on picking around - everyone got their money, everyone is happy - as a result, they bought imports.
The buyers are not at a loss either. The result is a zoo of weapons.

[Ksavier]

However, the penguin is already being mass-produced and bought by various countries. And it is participating in various conflicts. But our planes are not yet being mass-produced and are not being delivered to the troops.

[tralflot1832]

I only know one thing: our SU 507 must be guarded like the President of the Russian Federation. Around the clock. Maybe put T90 next to it? So opposite F 35.

[Lemon]

I agree. There is no faith in Hindus at all, and the Yankees are also nearby.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Lemon

I agree. There is no faith in Hindus at all, and the Yankees are also nearby.

I believe that Russian specialists are responsible for ensuring the safety of the aircraft; the Indians can only act as airfield maintenance personnel.

[Montezuma]

Quote: tralflot1832

Maybe put the T90 next to it? So opposite the F 35.

Yeah, and then some Forbes will publish an article with the headline: "Moscow threatens American aviation! How will Trump respond?"

[yuriy55]

Quote: tralflot1832

Maybe put the T90 next to it? So opposite the F 35

Or "accidentally" run over this "Penguin"?

[tralflot1832]

When Bogdan carries out the flight program, the T-90 should show signs of life.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

The hazelnut will come out smoother.

[tralflot1832]

It is enough to put a hazelnut bush next to SU 57 or a basket with hazelnuts, and even better, treat everyone to hazelnuts.

[belovvladimir]

The penguin looks somehow pathetic against the backdrop of the SU, and it seems like he has lowered his wings out of sadness, but our handsome guy has good shoulders!

[Chief Officer Lom]

If "old" American firms integrated into the US "deep state" take part in an arms exhibition, then the conclusion of contracts ceases to depend on the results of the exhibition itself. These "owners of democracy" have always advocated fair competition only when they are confident of a positive outcome for themselves.

[belovvladimir]

Downvoters, don't fly, watch out that the green toad doesn't strangle you, you envious, cynics, lie down on your asses, Americans, downvote until you shit yourself, but our SU is still a beauty!
But the penguin doesn't.

[Vicontas]

The Americans have been producing their undercooked penguin with pretensions since 2011, but they still can't get rid of birth injuries. Either the software glitches, or it deprives the pilot of oxygen, or the tail falls off when the speed increases! In short, it's not an airplane, but a flying set of defects - which is why the US itself decided to close the project! P.S. - And the downvoters are most likely from Israel, they have this F35 ash heap in their arsenal, so they are offended that Russian goyim shoot down and scratch their bird with their tongues!

[tralflot1832]

Quote: Montezuma

How will Trump respond?

I have a great relationship with Putin!

[yuriy55]

The Americans hope that after the air show the Indians will prefer the F-35 as a fifth-generation fighter, and ours are also not averse to selling the Su-57

As it was in the Dosia advertisement:
"If you can't see the difference, why pay more?"
Let's see where the brave Indians will turn...

[Radical]

Quote: Nexcom

...but for now it's the penguin that's being bought in full swing.....The Jucheans should be given the Su-57E so that they themselves could start producing an export version - that would make the Japanese tense up...

And which of the Jucheis - northern or southern?

[Montezuma]

Quote: Radikal

And which of the Jucheis - northern or southern?

The Juche ideology was developed by Kim Il Sung, so the southerners automatically fly by.

[solar]

Juche is a well-known Far Eastern philosophical term used to mean “thing from the point of view of the subject” and used in Korean medieval thought. A similar concept “jucheson” was used in Park Chung Hee’s ideology, and the concept of the “juche idea” was also encountered in the political life of South Korea[8], but there it served as a synonym for national conservatism[9].

[opuonmed]

The Su-57 is beautiful, I really like its appearance!

[fsvlad]

.. the "advantage" of the F-35 is "invisibility".

Therefore, experts and spectators of the Aero India 2025 exhibition will not see it in the sky ;)

[Montezuma]

Quote: fsvlad

.. the "advantage" of the F-35 is "invisibility".

Therefore, experts and spectators of the Aero India 2025 exhibition will not see it in the sky ;)

I know, I know, the comment is short.

[75 Sergey]

What, we only have one ace pilot in all of Russia?!

[Huarabey]

How many AC pilots can fit into one plane?

[75 Sergey]

Well, there are more than just one of them, there are planes.

[faridg7]

Not alone, but Bogdan is practically the face of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, the chief pilot. His health allows it, which means he can fly, and he knows the capabilities of this machine like no one else, because he has been driving it from the very beginning.

[75 Sergey]

But if there had been another ace pilot, then the guys would have thought that we had a lot of them.

[faridg7]

Are you saying that if every design bureau has its own test pilots, if every aircraft factory has its own full-time test pilots, if there is a test pilot training center, and if there is (more than one) center for combat use of aviation, someone can decide that only Bogdan can fly for us? The Indians are certainly peculiar guys, but you make them look like complete idiots.

[Lemon]

Quote: Montezuma

Quote: Lemon

I agree. There is no faith in Hindus at all, and the Yankees are also nearby.

I believe that Russian specialists are responsible for ensuring the safety of the aircraft; the Indians can only act as airfield maintenance personnel.

God protects those who protect themselves! Vigilance!

[Montezuma]

Quote: Lemon

God protects those who protect themselves! Vigilance!

System of four "B", noted!

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

These gypsies should not be sold any modern weapons or technologies at all... Everything most significant will flow to the mattress makers. Let them continue to sing, dance - and in a couple of decades they will create their own tank, their own plane...

[Dutchman Michel]

The Su-57 has very beautiful shapes. And the F-35 looks like a pregnant crocodile.

[AshPoseidon]

And in the F-35 there is a spy video camera and it is filming our SU-57. How could the Americans, through the Indians, not rip off a piece of the SU skin or drill something there?

[mark1]

Quote: Ash Poseidon

How could the Americans, through the Indians, tear off a piece of the casing?

Let them unscrew a couple of our secret screws - with slotted and Phillips heads, they don’t have that and that’s our secret.

[Robot Police1695]

The Su-57 was born with grief in half for more than 15 years. Do you really think that there are any secrets left for the striped ones?

[rocket757]

What can I say... penguix, this is a good, powerful, advertised product... moreover, it is promoted for sale in such a way that many cannot resist buying exactly this one.
Things are more complicated for us, for now!!! We need to end the conflict with a confident, unconditional victory, then some, or even many problems, obstacles, will disappear by themselves.

[Puz Big]

A fat guy and a ballerina in one photo.

[Sergey_O]

Ah, do you see the penguin in the sky? Ah? I don't see it either! Ah, it's not there.

[Maz]

Quote: Vitaliy161

The F 35 was developed and is being built in cooperation with several dozen of the world's richest countries, it is being produced with their own money, more than 2 trillion dollars have been poured into the development program, and production has been modernized at the expense of these same countries.
The Su-57 was initially developed jointly by India and Russia, but the main concept and refinement were carried out by Russia, since India withdrew from the program. The cost of development (400-500 billion rubles). You are comparing the incomparable, and you do not even take into account that a mass-produced single-engine fighter is suddenly more expensive than a custom-built twin-engine one...
The F-35 has no combat experience (Israel doesn't count, they have a different version, essentially), only a year ago they taught how to use all the standard weapons on board, despite the construction of 2400 units, there are still problems with the software, fuselage, oxygen system, front landing gear and God knows what else, as for me the F-35 is the greatest scam of the USA, after their trick with the dollar, only the States can bend their allies like that

I know the opinion of Israeli pilots, the aircraft is several orders of magnitude higher than the F16 and F-18. And the Israelis have long since removed the imperfections. Their F-35I "Adir" meant both Iranian air defense and Syrian, and our air defense in Syria. And it continues to honestly and without losses smash Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Gaza. Now they will bring bombs from the USA to 8 yards of green and another whistle-dance will begin.

[Lightning-10]

Did the meeting take place? The $35 million F150 looks like a clear favorite!

[rs777]

The Indians have settled in well. Oil is cheap, planes and technology are on a platter. They extracted everything, developed everything - here you go, use it.

[BMS]

A pregnant penguin is no competitor to our handsome man

[Radical]

Quote: Montezuma

Quote: Radikal

And which of the Jucheis - northern or southern?

The Juche ideology was developed by Kim Il Sung, so the southerners automatically fly by.

What are you saying, oh-oh-oh, you've "enlightened" me! Only this comment of yours should not have been sent to me, but to the one who initiated our discourse. It seems to me that he meant the Chinese in general. And it's not my fault that those who sent 5 minuses have no sense of sarcasm!

[sodium20]

I was amazed by the innocence of the Russians. Does anyone in the Kremlin still believe that the real Leadership in India is patriotic and also loves their country?

Dassault Aviation has heavily bribed Indian leadership and won the Rafael Jets contract. The only question is, do the Russians or Americans feel bribed? The real corrupt leadership in India?

Any major contracts with India, think thrice... !! The Indian economy as well as the value of the Indian Rupee is rapidly collapsing. Western countries are slowly pulling back their investments from India. Investing in Indian projects is not at all a smart move.

Indian Middle Income Group Has Collapsed Completely. Economic recession has already started in India. Indian market is heading towards stagnation.

[Dimax]

Yes, we practically don’t have these Su-57s in the Aerospace Forces, and those that we do have are only enough to escort Air Force One, and they are going for export, apparently with a government order - a disaster or a penny price tag...

[Barmal]

Ours are also not averse to selling Su-57 to India and have already proposed to New Delhi to organize joint production of aircraft on Indian territory

Nabiullina again doesn’t have money for production in her own country?

[Veselov-Poselkin]

Indians to purchase F-35.

They would, of course, take the SU, but only the SU-31.

It can do everything the SU-57 can in terms of aerial acrobatics, but it costs significantly less. There is no point in overpaying.