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Learning is the basis of defense. The Soviet backlog is not only development, but also methods

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I am not sure that the scientific and technical groundwork left to us from the Soviet era is completely exhausted. There, in my opinion, there was much more than any present deputy minister can imagine - even a well-educated one. But, unfortunately, I cannot exclude such a version.


I can only follow many researchers to note that the Soviet era began with an incomparably smaller margin. Although there was also something there, and in Internet disputes, many point to some prominent pre-Soviet scholars who have become Soviet. But it is understandable: individual scientists - even outstanding ones - are not yet a school, not a system of regular scientific and technical feats.

Then the country got out of the situation by a combination of many methods. First of all, they began to buy abroad - instead of finished products - industrial equipment, licenses, technological subtleties. At the same time, many talented foreign engineers and scientists were invited to the country to teach our specialists by personal example (for example, the outstanding artillery designer Vasily Grabrilovich Grabin, after graduating from the Artillery Academy in 1930, worked for a year in the design bureau of the Putilov factory, and then ended up in the design bureau No. 2 of the gun association of the People’s Commissariat for Heavy Industry, where a large group of German engineers worked, and the head of this group Focht actually established his orders not only on to both, but also for the Soviet designers, Grabin and, in spite of the arrogance of the Germans, learned a lot from them). Even the German military was given training ranges for practicing the use of weapons prohibited by Germany under the Versailles Peace Treaty (poisons, Tanks, aircraft), having received the payment of invaluable combat experience.

But the main means of developing their own science and technology was massive training. Not only secondary, but also higher. They taught virtually everyone (albeit with political restrictions: people from classes privileged under the old regime, until the end of the New Economic Policy, restricted access to universities, because it was difficult to distinguish their natural abilities from pursuing basic standard tasks) and didn’t bother for a long time such necessary things in our modern view as exams. Moreover, they even used forms of collective learning, which at present are perceived as the most profane profanation - when, for example, the knowledge of the whole group is evaluated by one of its representatives for the choice of the group itself. It is clear that a particularly high quality of education cannot be achieved in this way. But such a massive training of all in a row allowed, at least, to give those who are good at learning the opportunity to manifest. Even if out of a hundred people one became a good engineer and out of a thousand people one became a good researcher - this already paid for the costs of training everyone: after all, in science and technology even a lone person can provide the basis for the colossal breakthroughs of many hundreds.

Moreover, they taught at once across the entire spectrum of the exact sciences and engineering disciplines, not limited to indisputably important areas. After all, for the implementation of any major development requires countless additional improvements - sometimes small, but necessary. That is why sometimes many years pass from the idea to its implementation. And it is impossible to predict in advance exactly which additions and in which sectors will be needed. Who, for example, foresaw that for automation of electric welding (and without it, we could not produce the legendary T-34 many thousands monthly) will need ceramics with a strictly defined melting temperature (as a coating for electrodes), and then powdered fluxes to use Bay wire electrodes! In science and technology, no less than in military affairs, breakthroughs must be supported by an offensive along the entire front.

However, workers also had to be trained - and at considerable expense. So, Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili at the reception of advanced employees of the metallurgical industry in the Kremlin 1934.12.26 said: “We had too few technically literate people. We have a dilemma: either start with teaching people in technical literacy schools and put off the production and mass operation of machines until 10 for years until technologically competent personnel are developed in schools, or start building machines immediately and develop their mass operation in the national economy. in the process of production and operation of machines, to train people in technology, to develop cadres. We chose the second path. We went openly and deliberately to the inevitable costs and cost overruns associated with a lack of technically trained people who know how to handle machines. True, we have broken a lot of cars during this time. But, on the other hand, we won the most expensive — time — and created the most valuable thing on the farm — cadres. For 3 – 4 of the year, we created cadres of technically literate people, both in the field of production of all kinds of machines (tractors, cars, tanks, airplanes, and so on), and in the field of their mass exploitation. What we have done in Europe over decades, we managed to do in rough and mainly during 3 – 4 years. Costs and overspending, car breakdowns and other damages paid off with interest. This is the basis of the rapid industrialization of our country "(I think it is clear from this that the current stories about the technical barbarism of the Soviet leadership that are true, which gave the most complicated equipment to the hands of the savages and thus squandered enormous funds for unworkable productions, are fair; I will note well familiar to me on programming the technique of paralleling complex operations) and further noted: “Many misunderstood the party’s slogan:“ Technique is everything in the reconstruction period ”. Many understood this slogan mechanically, that is, they understood in the sense that if you pile up more cars, it would be as if everything that is required by this slogan will be done. This is not true. You can not tear the technique from the people who set the technique in motion. Technique without people is dead. The slogan “Technique in the period of reconstruction solves everything” means not the bare technique, but the technique led by people who have mastered the technique. Only such an understanding of this slogan is correct. And since we have already learned to appreciate technology, it’s time to say straightforwardly that the main thing now is in people who have mastered technology. But from this it follows that if previously one-sided emphasis was placed on technology, on machines, now the emphasis must be placed on people who have mastered technology. This requires our slogan about technology. It is necessary to protect every capable and understanding worker, to protect and grow it. People should be carefully and carefully grown as a gardener grows a favorite fruit tree. To educate, help grow, give a prospect, put forward in time, transfer to another job in time, if a person does not cope with his work without waiting for him to finally fail. Carefully cultivate and qualify people, arrange them properly and organize them in production, organize the salary so that it strengthens the decisive links of production and moves people to the highest qualification - that's what we need in order to create a large army of production and technical personnel ”( which, in particular, shows to what extent the tyrrrrrran promoted the extermination of specialists for the slightest mistake in work and nomination in return for the illiterate, but politically loyal).

I think if we again begin a noticeable shortage of personnel, then now we will have to act approximately in the same way - to give a damn (from the highest tree that one can find in the vicinity) to all spells about efficiency and effective universities and to allow everyone to learn again in the hope that among these people there will be at least a few people who are able and willing to learn, and among these able and willing people there will be at least a few who really learn something.

Of course, you can go the opposite way - to tighten the filters as much as possible at the entrance, in order to allow a minimum of people to learn, but to concentrate on training each person from this minimum so that, in the end, this single candidate has no opportunities except to become a genius. But, as far as I can tell, ineffective mass education is better than effective piece training.

An example from a slightly different opera. It is known that in Germany during World War II, pilots were trained at an ultra-high level. They were generally allowed to come to the front with only a training touch of several hundred hours, and each such ace could fight with a dozen little-trained Soviet or American pilots and with two or three English (as they also taught English very long — and English pilots were not enough) . But even the coolest ace is not insured either from an accidental hit, or from going out alone against a dozen, or from meeting another ace (even if the enemy has a few). And when the aces ended from such random hits and meetings with unconditionally superior forces, it turned out that Germany does not have the personnel to replace these aces - it does not at all, because its entire training system is not designed for the mass production of pilots. As a result, they were crushed by both Soviet pilots and American pilots, first by number and then by skill, since the Germans also tried to teach many pilots, but did not know how to teach them quickly.

Of course, scientists are not dying in massive quantities - they are just starting to be missed by research conducted in many directions at once. And it turns out that a dozen medium-learned scientists or engineers, in any case, will do much more than one outstanding.

So I would take the words of the deputy minister, first of all, as a signal of the need for a sharp revision of the strategy of training Russian citizens. Well, and if someone continues to insist on fighting for only unconditionally effective universities (and even lawyers, accountants, artists, and other representatives of the creative class who produce goods), it’s possible that you can be immediately removed from work and to prosecute for undermining the country's defense.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 25 March 2013 17: 23 New
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    It is a pity that many reforms are being done for the sake of reform, and not for the sake of results ... Wasserman is next +
    1. skeptic
      skeptic 25 March 2013 17: 45 New
      +2
      ShturmKGB
      It is a pity that many reforms are being made for the sake of reform, and not for the sake of results.


      More precisely, we simply may not know the goals and objectives of the reforms. And the results, unfortunately, are also not always positive. It’s just that sometimes the road to hell is lined with good intentions.
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 25 March 2013 17: 54 New
      +2
      ShturmKGB
      many reforms are made for reform, not for results.

      Depending on what result you are counting on, if immediate and short-term is one thing. If for the long term it’s different. And our current moment changes three times a day. When they finally determine who and what is needed then the reforms will be normal.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 26 March 2013 02: 11 New
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        Quote: Ruslan67
        When they finally determine who and what is needed then the reforms will be normal.

        Only there will be nothing to “reform”.
      2. domokl
        domokl 26 March 2013 06: 04 New
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        Quote: Ruslan67
        When they finally determine who and what is needed then the reforms will be normal.
        Right in the eye ... hi All of today's cats came about simply because the current moment has changed ... Last year, the year the defense industry was loaded with orders. But it turned out that there was nobody to work by and large ... There are no engineers, there are no workers, there are no scientists ... they all went at least to where just because you want to eat ...
        But I think if the situation persists, we will grow staff, we will raise science .. If only there would be enough time ...
    3. opkozak
      opkozak 25 March 2013 18: 29 New
      +7
      Unfortunately, the knowledge of Soviet scientists and designers in this state.
      Factory scientific and technical library.

      1. Bosk
        Bosk 26 March 2013 12: 25 New
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        Here, the human factor must also be taken into account ... I remember when I was very young, my father constantly scolded my mother for the fact that she always dragged chalk from work to home ... paint and other attributes of repair work, if father also sinned this ... and now I thought ... but nowadays such actions are more rare than the norm ...
  2. erased
    erased 25 March 2013 17: 24 New
    +7
    And the author is generally right. He kept silent about one thing - who is to blame for the collapse of the Soviet school and the Soviet system of education from kindergarten to university? And why is this collapse so carefully groomed so far? Turning a school, college. Institute in profanity?
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 25 March 2013 17: 53 New
      +7
      They themselves are to blame, especially those who threw ballots into ballot boxes wishing democracy and liberalism (read sausages and circuses) !!! They brought us to sausage and jeans!
      1. domokl
        domokl 26 March 2013 05: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: neri73-r
        They themselves are to blame, especially those who cast ballots in ballot boxes wishing democracy and liberalism
        People have nothing to do with it at all. They voted because they couldn’t simply buy the same sausage. And now they’re just voting like that. Do you think the mess in Ukraine depends on the political choice? No, it’s just that every person wants to raise children, educate them and take them out to summer family somewhere ... As it was in the USSR.
        And according to the article .. The author is largely right. Our current education system is no longer a copy of the Western one (which for some reason was considered better than the Soviet one), we have a parody ..
        And it all started with the introduction of paid services in schools and universities. When the guy from the village was already put in the conditions of impossibility to study at the institute. Then the exam system. The Caucasian and some other regional graduates suddenly became super-educated ... And the next is the narrow specialization of education. .. Remember the first classical phrase that a graduate of a university at a Soviet enterprise heard-All that was taught at the institute was to give a damn and forget ... Everything is different ... So, basically, it was. Only the level of education was such that the engineer h cut -3 months has quietly guided the company, and a year later already well solve production issues ..
        Now, to find an engineer is a problem of problems ... There are a lot of diplomas, but there are no specialists as such ..
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 26 March 2013 16: 01 New
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          not all the universities have collapsed, there are some that hold on to honest people, and I am glad of that, and for the most part they don’t take bribes. I’ll say right away that they weren’t preserved in Moscow, in the province
          1. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich 26 March 2013 18: 13 New
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            hi, looking at the minus to the previous comment, we can say that apparently someone does not like that some universities are still alive
    2. nakaz
      nakaz 25 March 2013 18: 11 New
      +2
      Gorbachev and Yeltsin are to blame for the collapse of the Soviet Union. How much evil they caused.
      1. sergius60
        sergius60 25 March 2013 20: 18 New
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        neri73-r said absolutely correctly. Well, remember how hysterical for Borenka! How much did the "genies" buy? Very, very "coolness" wanted! "Buckyly eyes, sho kupuvala. Do not pokase to climb!" Humpbacked and Ebony, of course, "very, very bad people." But the “mhh" itself must be trained! hi
        1. domokl
          domokl 26 March 2013 05: 56 New
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          Quote: sergius60
          Humpbacked and Ebony, of course, "very, very bad people." But the “mhh" itself must be trained! hi
          Unlike the current situation, in 91 people sincerely believed that it would be better .. Therefore, they took to the streets ... Now people, thanks to some shifts in the economy, have grown fat, bought cars (the dream of the Soviet man), cottages (a section from father got or received after the war .. for the USSR, etc.
          And then we just got tired of Hops managed in stores ... I wanted to buy something else .. The body wanted to eat ...
      2. domokl
        domokl 26 March 2013 05: 49 New
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        [quote = nakaz] Gorbachev and Yeltsin are to blame for the collapse of the Soviet Union. [/ quoteWell, why? I also had a hand ... In 91, I defended the White House as part of a crowd like me ... We were ready to fight for freedom and sincerely shouted with happiness on the square behind the White House when the GKChP was arrested and Yeltsyn proclaimed a free Russia ..
        Probably, what has always happened in revolution has happened in Russia — some do it, others enjoy the results]
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 26 March 2013 16: 06 New
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          this is what a bad habit speaks for all the people. Well, I have never been for liberalism !!! initially my rejection caused everything bourgeois.
          I had enough books in my childhood in which the ugliness of the Western world was vividly and colorfully described: Jack London, Mark Twain, Walter Scott and many others ...
          A thinking and understanding mind will always weed out the grain from the chaff. although people here and here are different, but the system is definitely ugly!
      3. folds
        folds 26 March 2013 12: 33 New
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        I do not agree. Khrushchev and the whole party elite are to blame for the collapse, after Stalin's death they changed the course of development of the country, strangled industrialization and cooperation (artel production of products and consumer goods). This created the prerequisites for the fact that the independence and unity of the USSR was exchanged for jeans and sausage. I do not justify Gorbachev and Yeltsin, their actions very clearly fall under treason - but if not for Khrushchev, they would not have the opportunity to break up the Union.
    3. sergius60
      sergius60 25 March 2013 19: 52 New
      +1
      If you were going to "carefully groom", you still wouldn’t hear anything about this topic for another 20 years. Too many other signs. COURSE CHANGES! I do not believe in so many "coincidences."
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 26 March 2013 02: 16 New
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        Quote: sergius60
        COURSE CHANGES

        What, the privatization will be canceled? laughing
  3. zart_arn
    zart_arn 25 March 2013 17: 50 New
    +1
    It seems to me that there is something else here .. And the textbooks are the same, and the program, and the teachers give the same and in the same volumes, and excellent students and good guys come in - and the result is not the same. All subconscious people feel a decrease in the SIGNIFICANCE of the educational process for both teachers and students. In this I see the main trouble.
    In general, Wasserman is smart. ++++++
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 25 March 2013 21: 36 New
      +5
      You are very mistaken or carelessly looked at modern textbooks, they basically suck. In one of these history textbooks, the battle of El Alamein was found to be the main battle of the Great Patriotic War, and the Kursk, Stalingrad, Operation Bagration were simply written in one sentence. And the Soviet period is one continuous chernukha. Textbooks in mathematics and chemistry are such that it seems that they were written by those who set out to get the prize of the most incomprehensible textbook. hi
  4. Zeus
    Zeus 25 March 2013 17: 50 New
    +2
    Brutal article. Especially this

    It is necessary to protect every capable and understanding worker, to protect and grow him. People need to be carefully and carefully grown, as a gardener grows a favorite fruit tree. To educate, to help grow, to give perspective, to advance in time, to transfer to another job in time, if a person does not cope with his work, without waiting for when he will finally fail. Carefully raising and qualifying people, arranging them correctly and organizing them in production, organizing wages so that it strengthens the decisive links of production and moving people to the highest qualification - this is what we need in order to create a large army of production and technical personnel ”


    impressed.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 26 March 2013 02: 18 New
      -1
      Well so "Cadres decide everything" - who said? laughing
  5. krasin
    krasin 25 March 2013 17: 58 New
    +2
    So they sailed. Thanks to the party for the reserve of development. But as they say everyone finished up! Lafa is over. Thanks to Medvedev for the innovations in education! Thanks to the leadership of the country that we have many lawyers, bankers, cops and other riffraffers Who will produce, who will design ??? Who there barked at the Communists ??? Stalin is necessary for you !!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 26 March 2013 02: 22 New
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      Quote: krasin
      Stalin is necessary for you !!

      Leave Vissarionitch alone, think with your own head when you go to the polls. Another time, other mechanisms. But someone stubbornly votes for EP and its "leader."
  6. ultra
    ultra 25 March 2013 18: 00 New
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    Our education has degenerated into the sale of diplomas! Often you have to talk with such "specialists", after conversations you want to cry! Anatoly plus! hi
  7. SPACE
    SPACE 25 March 2013 18: 18 New
    +1
    Anatoly Wasserman is a brilliantly sober man. That is why there are no such people in the government, because I don’t know that the government or their education reforms are getting dumber faster. laughing
    1. sergius60
      sergius60 25 March 2013 20: 31 New
      -1
      Don’t worry about Anatole. A man works in a group of experts. And in one program he gave out somehow, such as that he was happy that the actions of the GDP more and more often coincided with his views on problems. Maybe he’s hinting repeat
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 25 March 2013 22: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: sergius60
        And in one program he gave out somehow, such as that he was happy that the actions of the GDP more and more often coincided with his views on problems. Maybe he’s hinting

        It’s now fashionable to call it “soft power”, it’s like when a wife puts conditions in bed. For the category of conceited and stubborn people whom you say in the forehead, they either will not understand or they will do one hell on the contrary.
        In general, as our leader and teacher V.I. said Lenin, "Learn, study and study again," as if he knew that there was no one to wait for help from!
  8. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 25 March 2013 18: 27 New
    +3
    "Who, for example, foresaw that for automation of electric welding (and without it we could not produce the legendary T-34 by many thousands monthly), we would need ceramics with a strictly defined melting point (as a coating for electrodes), and then powder fluxes to use coils of wire electrodes! "
    Do you know what is the funniest thing in this story? At the same time, the saddest and the most bitter. None of this was needed. Everything was already there - fluxes, ceramics, electrodes ... All this was developed, improved and brought to the level of art for a long time. All this was done for ... arc lamps. Which in the last years of their use were very perfect ...
    The most important skill of a true creator is the ability to establish connections between facts known to him. Therefore, in his head, and not on external media, myriad of facts, theories and methods should be focused. And yet, the most basic thing - his brain must have a highly developed ability to work combining this knowledge into systems.
    Why has scientific and technological progress worldwide plummeted? Why do even mattresses rush about everywhere, as if lousy in search of a bath, frantically collecting at least someone in whom the light of creativity is still warming? Because external data retrieval and data integration systems have killed millions of scientists and engineers. Replacing creativity with Google ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 March 2013 22: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Therefore, in his head, and not on external media, myriad of facts, theories and methods should be focused.

      A little laugh?
      It was in the ..... x years of the last century. A group of nuclear physicists from a closed research institute went to the Black Sea.
      All as one - doctors of sciences. We went to the bank, on the way, having bought several bottles of wine with such a plastic cap, which must be cut with a knife. They come to the beach, have already prepared, and - crap! And there’s nothing to open the bottles with ... They see a nearby dormant peasant of a homeless look, they ask:
      - Dear, but you can’t open a bottle?
      - Let's open, how not to open! Do you have matches?
      A box is handed to him perplexedly. A man lights a match, heats the cork and breaks it, already softened, with the words:
      - Physics need to know!
      There was a uniform hysteria with a group of vacationers, and one of the bottles was handed to the peasant for science.
      laughing laughing laughing
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 26 March 2013 16: 11 New
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        plus for a good joke smile
  9. George
    George 25 March 2013 18: 28 New
    +2
    Hello all.
    I liked this one:
    But the main means of developing their own science and technology was massive training. Not only secondary, but also higher. They taught virtually everyone (albeit with political restrictions: people from classes privileged under the old regime, until the end of the New Economic Policy, restricted access to universities, because it was difficult to distinguish their natural abilities from pursuing basic standard tasks) and didn’t bother for a long time such necessary things in our modern view as exams. Moreover, they even used forms of collective learning, which at present are perceived as the most profane profanation - when, for example, the knowledge of the whole group is evaluated by one of its representatives for the choice of the group itself. It is clear that a particularly high quality of education cannot be achieved in this way. But such a massive training of all in a row allowed, at least, to give those who are good at learning the opportunity to manifest. Even if out of a hundred people one became a good engineer and out of a thousand people one became a good researcher - this already paid for the costs of training everyone: after all, in science and technology even a lone person can provide the basis for the colossal breakthroughs of many hundreds.
    The original approach. And we still learn something from the West. Everything under the nose.
    1. Gari
      Gari 25 March 2013 22: 19 New
      +2
      Good evening, and I liked it
      So, Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili at a reception of advanced employees of the metallurgical industry in the Kremlin on 1934.12.26 said: “We had too few technically competent people. We faced a dilemma: either to start training people in technical literacy schools and to postpone the production and mass operation of machines for 10 years until technically competent personnel are developed in schools, or begin immediately to create machines and develop their mass operation in the national economy, in the process of production and operation of machines to train people in technology, develop staff. We have chosen the second path. We went openly and consciously to the inevitable costs and cost overruns associated with the lack of technically trained people who can handle machines. True, we have broken a lot of cars during this time. But on the other hand, we won the most expensive - time - and created the most valuable in the economy - personnel. For 3-4 years, we have created cadres of technically competent people both in the field of the production of all kinds of machines (tractors, cars, tanks, planes, and so on), and in the field of their mass operation. What we have done in Europe over the course of decades, we were able to do in draft, and mainly within 3-4 years. Costs and cost overruns, car breakdowns and other losses paid off with interest. This is the basis of the rapid industrialization of our country ”(I believe that it is clear to what extent the current stories about the then technical barbarism of the Soviet leadership were true, which gave the most savory equipment to the savages and thereby wasting huge amounts of money on inefficient production
      The real Leader Stalin understood that the main thing for the Power was not the cost overruns and inevitable costs, but Time
  10. Bosk
    Bosk 25 March 2013 18: 32 New
    +4
    I remembered here ... in the 30s of the last century, after the civil war, with total disruption and lack of specialists ... from scratch, almost a dozen years in the Union, they trained cute engineers ... lathe mechanics and other-other-other specialists at all levels, In the global ... it seems to me that we managed to make such a breakthrough in a decade, for other countries it seems that it took a lot more time. That’s what I mean .... it happened and worse, so if something breaks through, not the first time.
  11. Black
    Black 25 March 2013 18: 32 New
    +1
    The school system has not died, and over the years it has become very strong. And by methods, and by materials, and by technical equipment. There are certain questions regarding the filling of material on literature, social science (but these are not fundamental omissions, these are more likely problems of growth).
    But what they did to high school is a disaster.
    What has become of science is extremely difficult to restore; tremendous money is needed. However, this is not a question of money, they are there, how many of them will be wasted in Cyprus banks, it is a question of the statehood of those who can.
    So far, there is no mention of any statehood in matters of the development of Russian science.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 25 March 2013 19: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      The school system has not died, and over the years it has become very strong.

      You would argue your conclusion. I see the opposite. Both by methods and materials. Granddaughter goes to school. Yes, and communicate with direct knowledge holders.
    2. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 25 March 2013 23: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      The school system has not died, and over the years it has become very strong. And by methods, and by materials, and by technical equipment. There are certain questions regarding the filling of material on literature, social science (but these are not fundamental omissions, these are more likely problems of growth).

      Well, yes, it has grown to the point that literally writing and speaking have become very few.
  12. Cpa
    Cpa 25 March 2013 18: 51 New
    +4
    The average age of an engineer in industry and science has exceeded 40 years, before everyone had prepared a worthy shift before leaving, that is. He trained and trained and motivated. Dimensionless industrial and scientific holdings do not allow such luxury to modern specialists, the personnel policy goes strictly from above, that is, from Moscow. negative
    If this is a state holding, write in vain, they will deliver mediocrity, but loyal. At the father's factory, the appraiser of the same part, but on different electric locomotives, set the cost of the part an order of magnitude greater, only because the drawing of the new part was made on a larger scale! laughing
  13. sergius60
    sergius60 25 March 2013 20: 44 New
    +1
    Contradictions however. The T-50, Armata, and Caliber complexes using technologies like "firewood, kerosene and thread" do not roll. On the other hand, around the "mess" is incredible.
  14. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 March 2013 20: 59 New
    +1
    + A. Wasserman not only reminded me of where we started our industrialization and what we came to, but also actually came up with the idea that China is taking this very path — minimizing costs, at the stage of creating our own base, as in the field of technology in general, and in the creation of weapons.
  15. treskoed
    treskoed 25 March 2013 21: 14 New
    +2
    It's just that there are other guidelines in education. Do not master knowledge, skills, but submit a "report". This is the exam in school and the fake dissertations of “scientists” and the mass of such “reports” about “achievements.” And today this is enough for success. How to achieve, to do business, and not to pretend?
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 25 March 2013 21: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: treskoed
      How to achieve, to do business, and not to pretend?


      To this Onotole at the end of the article gave a clear answer.

      Well, if someone continues to insist on fighting for only unconditionally effective universities (and even graduating in commodity quantities of lawyers, accountants, artists, artists and other representatives of the creative class), it means that such a person can be immediately removed from work and to sue for undermining the country's defenses.


      And here I completely agree with him
  16. Selevc
    Selevc 25 March 2013 22: 13 New
    +1
    Honestly, I won’t understand one thing - the government, if it wanted to, could solve the personnel problem very simply !!! How ? It is very simple - to pay these very specialists salaries at the level of world standards - but also to demand from them a full calculation !!! To the most promising positions of designers, scientists and high-class specialists - to arrange a tough competitive selection among young people and select the best of the best !!! For nepotism and the promotion of "their" strictly and publicly punish ... And young people who went through the selection and took prestigious places in the real economy set an example and strongly promote their lifestyle ... Such a system in a few years, both in Russia and Ukraine, will create the basis for the future technical elite !!!

    But probably in your place in Moscow and in Kiev, people who are near-minded are sitting at least with the titles of academicians and businessmen !!! Everyone hopes for a chance ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 March 2013 22: 41 New
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      Quote: Selevc
      For nepotism and the promotion of "their" strictly and publicly punish ...

      Quote: Selevc
      and in your place in Moscow and in Kiev we have people who are not far-fetched, albeit with the titles of academicians and businessmen

      They all have their own kumas, children, grandchildren, and other relatives! So - do not go! Especially if there are really talented ones !!! And where do these old people go? On retire? Oooh! crying
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 25 March 2013 23: 18 New
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        No, why not create an organization that controls this very competitive selection, which would consist of people who are public and respected publicly - like the same Wasserman !!!
    2. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 25 March 2013 23: 57 New
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      Quote: Selevc
      Honestly, I won’t understand one thing - the government, if it wanted to, could solve the personnel problem very simply !!!

      Key moment: if I wanted to .
      Comments are superfluous.
  17. Gari
    Gari 25 March 2013 22: 23 New
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    If Anatoly Wasserman became a staunch Stalinist, then everything is true
    as Stalin himself said, “When I die, a lot of garbage will be put on my grave, but the wind of time will ruthlessly sweep it away,”
    The wind of time has risen
  18. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx 25 March 2013 22: 27 New
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    [b] Moreover, they taught right away across the entire spectrum of exact sciences and engineering disciplines, not limited to undeniably important areas. Indeed, for the implementation of any major development, countless additional improvements are needed - sometimes small, but necessary. [/ b]

    A well-trained specialist should know his specialty well and be aware of its interconnectedness with other scientific disciplines. At one time, he did not realize why a physicist was a doctor, but he taught. Then it dawned on - everything in the world is interconnected !!!
    1. shurup
      shurup 26 March 2013 01: 28 New
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      It is a pity that the physicist is very hard on esculapia. A similar symbiont would be even more useful in both areas. By the way - learn programming.
  19. shurup
    shurup 26 March 2013 01: 17 New
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    In the case of lifelong hiring, the private capitalist pays for training and professional development. Worker out of pocket. He has a human resources department that deals with this. Not retired security officers work in this department, but rather specific specialists in this field.
    The capitalist is not Stalin, and even not Wasserman and cannot afford to stamp a hundred specialists in order to nurture one he needs.
    But the capitalist is not engaged in science - only in this area can the methods proposed by Wasserman pass.
    Directly in the Moscow Region, I recognize only two sciences - Tactics and Strategy, and in everything else the Moscow Region, as that capitalist, needs only young, healthy young men with sufficient (now secondary) education.
    I would take them, absolutely all, almost according to Wassermanovsky to schools, and, as I trained, I would filter them out first to privates, then to non-commissioners, and bring the remaining ones to officers.
    The problem is not this, but that the Army does not receive adequate weapons and initial personnel, not to mention the fact that a soldier should not even think about where he will live and where he will live and how his family will eat.