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The Pentagon suspends purchases of new "Apache"

The Pentagon suspends purchases of new "Apache"

The US Department of Defense has decided to postpone the purchase of a new Boeing AH-64E helicopter until the end of the 2018 fiscal year. This decision is due to the reduction of the US state budget.

According to preliminary estimates, the delay in the supply of the US Army with new “Apache” will lead to the formation of a “deficit” in the number of 84 such helicopters. As it is known, back in August 2012, the US Council on Defense Procurement issued a permit for full-scale production of AH-64E, known as "Guardian". According to previously approved plans, Boeing was supposed to produce four AH-64E per month over the next two years.

But the budget requirements for the Apache project have become much tougher, which necessitated adjustments to future plans. Over the next 30 years, the US Army will carry out a systematic transition from conventional helicopters to new platforms, which will significantly increase the speed, range and payload of mid-range attack and multi-purpose helicopters. As one of the key tasks for the current fiscal year, “the use of mature technologies and the additional modernization of existing equipment to reduce costs, with the full funding of the OH-58F Kiowa Warrior program, are highlighted.

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  1. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 25 March 2013 13: 09
    and good! It's time to cut the aircraft carriers on pins and needles
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 25 March 2013 13: 25
      No, no .. early yet! Suppose that with a dozen more Zumwalt pawns or what other prodigies!
      But when everything is hacked due to the inept distribution and dough cut, then let them not saw the loot and iron :)
      In the meantime, it's too early ... Mattress "friends" can also get out;)
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 25 March 2013 13: 56
        a delay in the delivery of new Apaches by the US Army will lead to a deficit of 84 such helicopters.

        Apache shortage, ha ha, but with the rest, how?

        one AH-64D costs 46 million pounds as 5 Mi-28,
        Eight Apaches require 18 four-ton trucks, 7 trailers, 5 tankers, 3 forklift trucks, 2 motorcycles, 5 vanes, an eight-ton truck and a fire truck.
        We consider further
        Each hour of Apache’s flight costs £ 20000 and requires 32 man-hours of ground work. For each pilot, there are six highly qualified ground specialists.
        Something else
        Preparation for take-off means more than a thousand clicks on different buttons. In total, it takes thirty minutes, twenty-two of which the helicopter is already running engines. If you are in a hurry, you can catch it in fifteen. If you try even faster, then something will have to be included in the air - without any certainty that it will work. With such a rush, you can, for example, lose encrypted radio channels or pictures from an infrared camera. For comparison, Chinook is preparing to take off in five minutes.
        The average departure lasts three hours. He is accompanied by about six hours of work on earth.
        Re-equipment of "Apache" is a work for eight people for half an hour. At a good pace.

        And as a summary, a snapshot
        1. opkozak
          opkozak 25 March 2013 14: 55
          I will strengthen the collection
          Triumphant Serbs at the wreckage of the shot down "stealth". March 1999 Shot down seems to be an old S-125.

        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 March 2013 15: 04
          I look at Rustam in my addictions from Iveco to Apache switched
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 25 March 2013 16: 27
            Vadivak Rustam you I look in my passions from Iveco to Apache switched
            ___ ___ ___ ___
            Thank you dear Vadim for making a complement to me (I kind of wrote nothing here) wink

            Well have to answer
            Let's go

            1) addictions to Iveco - yes, I spoke from the very beginning for the adoption of this unit in our army (as a balance) I will not explain my position, and still do not mind having a couple of hundred of these machines, but my dear so that the bureaucrats squeezed the assembly of cars from Oboronservis (before that shouting that Iveki) and having organized it at OAO Remdiesel of the Kamaz daughter, I now advocate for a few hundred cars in our army no more!

            But we don’t have to worry about the fate of Iveco (lynx) in our army, now, after the pompous presentation of this appart at Kamaz OJSC and the delivery of 267 units this year, with prospects for deliveries Attention 3000-4000 units of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation worry about the fate of this device in our army not worth it (Chemezov’s guy isn’t a blunder; they’re not in vain, they squeezed Serdyuk away from a feeding trough called GOZ)

            2) Switch to APACH!
            If you are not comfortable, from the first day on this site I put AH-64D as a standard, explain why I think so, by the way so that you don’t forget, I am an ardent supporter of Mistral and other different Western systems, so that more come into our army as direct deliveries and joint ventures

            But back to our AH-64D (yes, if something is nice to me, too)

            here is one of my posts
            August 30, 2012 16:10 | Apache Longbow for Indian Air Force 8 not guys
            The main problem of testing the Mi-28 in India in 2009 - before the design change in 2011, there was a main gearbox that rotates the main screw. When working for more than two hours, it overheated, which led to the stop of the screw. In addition, according to the military, the designers of Rostvertol, which produces a helicopter, for a long time could not debug the operation of all on-board electronic systems.

            - The Mi-28 had problems with the use of guided missiles. Currently, all these technical flaws are already fixed. In 2011-2012, the Air Force of Russia already received fully operational vehicles
            also problems with airborne radar tests have been going on since 2007 - laudations not heard
            Naturally, why should they take a raw car when it’s been tested in battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and it’s far ahead in avionics, by the way, the latest version for the US Army has the ability to control American drones from a helicopter

            I’m not regrettable, but at the moment the Apache is perfect
            video of night use in afghanistan - yes to chechnya we would have such toys during the second company

            PS- (photo clickable) up to AH-64D level according to avionics, by the ability to use controlled weapons, work at night, actions and interactions with dry forces, as well as control blah - both samples oh how far

            just if you compare ours with each other, my opinion is that the KA-52 is currently more advanced than the MI-28N
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 25 March 2013 16: 41

              I published this video earlier, but as a reference the work of the AH-64D in Afghanistan
              look at the clarity of the image, the use of Helfair missiles and the operation of the gun
              their own shine separately so that the pilot will not confuse in battle - we still have to catch up and catch up

              Afghanistan Night, running a pair of AH-64D
              1. avensis
                avensis 25 March 2013 17: 53
                "Afghanistan Night, steam AH-64D working"
                A terrible thing. Introduced himself in the place of these ...
                I fully understand this misbegotten English "this is such a computer game", you see, he served in the army! He shot people on the monitor. His bitch would be in the trenches, so in 1942
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 25 March 2013 18: 26
                  English bastard

                  This is perhaps the only case when the prince causes, at least, respect. (Aboriginal - Aboriginal)
                  Their helicopter pilots also serve as rescuers a'la native EMERCOM.
                  That's when Gryzlov & K will give their offspring, at least for helicopter pilots, then we will return to the topic of washing the bones of the prince.
              2. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 25 March 2013 19: 32
                And in the same Afghanistan, the Taliban did not have air defense, but only MANPADS and even then managed to destroy such minimal quantities:

                C-130 5 transport
                F-15E 1
                Harrier II 8
                B-1B 1 strategic bomber, the engine caught fire at high altitude, the plane crashed into the Indian Ocean.
                C-12 1 transport
                E-2c 1 carrier-based aircraft AWACS
                F-16 1
                F / A-18 1
                P-3 1
                Mirage 2000 1
                Nimrod 1
                Rafale 1
                Tornado 1
                CV-22 1 convertoplane
                Total: 25 aircraft

                "Chinook" CH-47 / MH-47 / CH-147 / HC.2 30
                "Black Hawk" UH-60 / HH-60 / MH-60 / S-70 17
                "Apache" AH-64 14
                "Kiowa" OH-58 9
                "Sea Stallion" CH-53 / MH-53 5
                "Iroquois" UH-1N / UH-1Y / CH-146 4
                "Super Cobra" AH-1W 4
                "Cougar" AS.532 1
                "Gazelle" SA-342M 2
                "Hind" Mi-24 2
                Total: 88 helicopters

                UAV need data?
                1. Hemi cuda
                  Hemi cuda 26 March 2013 08: 18
                  Spread on the UAV wondering how much they hit.
                  1. Lord of the Sith
                    Lord of the Sith 26 March 2013 20: 37

                    Heron-1 1

                    United Kingdom:
                    Reaper 1
                    Hermes 450 11

                    Luna 2
                    Heron-1 3
                    KZO 1

                    Searcher-2 1

                    Sperwer 12

                    RQ-4A Global Hawk 4
                    MQ-1 Predator 14
                    MQ-8B Fire Scout 1
                    MQ-9 Reaper 4
                    RQ-7 Shadow 1
                    1. Hemi cuda
                      Hemi cuda 27 March 2013 02: 22
                      I wonder how they knocked down the RQ-4A Global Hawk on takeoff, landing? Hermes 450, Sperwer, MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper watch these popular consumables smartly use them
                2. Windbreak
                  Windbreak 26 March 2013 11: 04
                  Quote: Sith Lord
                  And in the same Afghanistan, the Taliban did not have air defense, but only MANPADS and even then managed to destroy such minimal quantities:
                  Why are you so sure that the Taliban destroyed all these machines? Mountains are a dangerous thing, the USSR also lost a lot of planes and helicopters there for no military reason
            2. dmitreach
              dmitreach 25 March 2013 18: 23
              Rustam recall in what year / century on our turntables appeared {X} -shaped, tail rotor? Was it like it was originally on the AH-64A?
        3. rolik
          rolik 25 March 2013 15: 56
          Quote: Vadivak
          one AH-64D costs 46 million pounds as 5 Mi-28,

          Hindus bet on Apaches. Looks like our Indian friends engage in sophisticated masochism in its toughest form. Let two play a year, and then our 28N will buy.
          The guys in Yugoslavia when they participated, told how these Apaches helped their own. If somewhere the shootout is serious and cause Apache, then the flyers are waiting for the mess to end and only then fly up. They fly up and loom on the horizon, which means that, suddenly, a crazy bullet is not hooked. Oh, and then the peacekeepers scolded these flyers, the most polite treatment - it was mu ... ki.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 25 March 2013 16: 27
            Quote: rolik
            Hindus bet on Apaches.

            Indians have become one of the largest investors in Swiss banks. This was stated by the head of the Central Bureau of Investigation of India / CBI / Amar Pratap Singh.


            Answer- The Bank of Singapore estimates that, due to increasing corruption, the Indian stock market has declined 2008 percent since 15. According to analysts, bribery among officials has become the main factor in high inflation, an increase in the cost of loans and outflow of investments
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 25 March 2013 14: 15
        Come on, let them cut. We will always sell them our Mi-8 yes .
    2. Castor oil
      Castor oil 25 March 2013 14: 35
      Quote: Dwarfik
      It's time to cut the aircraft carriers on pins and needles

      And it’s kind of like that, the media write, thinking ...
    3. dmitreach
      dmitreach 25 March 2013 18: 17
      It's time to cut the aircraft carriers on pins and needles

      To lend to the Ukrainian establishment, they have experience.
  2. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 25 March 2013 13: 09
    And to the states, they will launch a printing press and go!
    1. Consmo
      Consmo 25 March 2013 13: 21
      It looks like it's time for the printing press to change bearings, but there is no money, no money has been allocated. wassat
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 March 2013 13: 22
      He does not stop at them. About 100 billion dollars a month are thrown into their economy.
    3. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 25 March 2013 13: 22
      If everything was so simple ... That the United States would not borrow money at all and did not puzzle what to do ...
      Similar comments about "start the machine" - Naivety? O_o
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 25 March 2013 14: 18
        Rather a malevolent grin am
  3. Trailer
    Trailer 25 March 2013 13: 11
    With a certain fantasy, it seems that a fire shaft of budgetary economy is striving for a helicopter. Swell, light!
  4. elmi
    elmi 25 March 2013 13: 18
    I like that kind of savings!
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 March 2013 13: 18
    What is it for? what Do not plan large land wars in the coming years?
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 25 March 2013 13: 20
      Grandmas they extort from the government !!! bully
  6. Vanek
    Vanek 25 March 2013 13: 29
    MI - 24 - FORTY years in service!
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 25 March 2013 14: 22
      Quote: Vanek
      MI - 24 - FORTY years in service!
      Mi-35 (no bells and whistles) to them in the tender for delivery instead of Apaches hi and we feel good and they are cheaper and more efficient.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 25 March 2013 14: 33
        Quote: evgenii67
        and they are cheaper and more efficient.

        To whom, but they don’t need. Something better in Zimbabwe. Let them crawl on the F-35.
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 25 March 2013 14: 53
          Quote: Vanek
          To whom, but they don’t need. Something better in Zimbabwe.

          Zimbabwe has a lot of turntables not selling, but to the Americans to replace the entire aging Apache fleet ...... in general, an awesome contract will come from the Mi-35, and not any harm to the national security of Russia, because we have the Mi-28 and Ka -52 hi
  7. engineer74
    engineer74 25 March 2013 14: 32
    Let's look more broadly - refusal to procure weapons and military equipment is an unreceived sales tax, job cuts, unpaid income tax, refusal of all insurance, non-payment of loans, increase in benefits payments - that is, an increase in budget expenses! good
    "Comrades" are on the right path!
    PS I have nothing against my American colleagues, but they will have to live within their means sooner or later!
  8. ed65b
    ed65b 25 March 2013 15: 21
    All simply American pilots of the new format simply do not fit in the seats. It took an urgent alteration of the helicopter cockpit to the new format and weight of the pilot. wassat
  9. homosum20
    homosum20 25 March 2013 15: 26
    And to whom is it easy? It’s hard for everyone.
  10. zmey
    zmey 25 March 2013 15: 30
    It is possible (even necessary) to live within your means, but it is very BORING without new "pretty" toys, unnecessary berels and other tweaks and lotions !!!!
  11. ABV
    ABV 25 March 2013 17: 23
    My opinion is this: are such super-modern toys needed?
    The experience of the second, and the 1st World War shows:
    1. super-expensive weapons cherished and stsut release into battle, no matter how it died ...
    2. The main role in the victory is played not by technological effectiveness, but by the high moral and fighting spirit of the soldier! Examples:
    --in World War II - T-2 tanks (less quality, but more technologically advanced in mass production) and German "Tigers" and "Panthers" - higher performance characteristics, less technologically advanced in production - who won - WE ! and it's not about the mass scale, but about maintainability. Although in quantity, too - why not? 34 tank armies of the USSR kept ALL Europe on the point ...
    08.08.08-- the tanks were much more interesting for the Georgians than ours (for all thermal imagers, etc.) - who won? and there was NO numerical superiority, everyone says that the forces were approximately equal (in the tactical essence).
    Here is the answer to the eternal question - the high morale of the fighter, here is the most important means for victory .... but we DO NOT TAKE IT! and this is not populism, but my modest observation of my 40-year-old with a little life ..
    1. Khamsin
      Khamsin 25 March 2013 19: 06
      I do not agree with you. With a saber on a machine gun you even having absolute spirit will not climb!
  12. svp67
    svp67 25 March 2013 18: 17
    Quote: ABV
    My opinion is this: are such super-modern toys needed?

    Reasonable "balance" is needed
    What's the use of the mass of "high-tech", but little effective weapons and high morale can help little here.
  13. Cheloveck
    Cheloveck 25 March 2013 20: 48
    The US Army will carry out a systematic transition from conventional helicopters to new platforms that will significantly increase the speed, range and carrying capacity of mid-range attack and multi-purpose helicopters.I feel the cut will be class f-35.
    The right way are gentlemen!
  14. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 25 March 2013 22: 44
    And one more interesting news:

    US can get rid of aircraft carriers

    Due to budget cuts, the Pentagon has resumed debate about the need for aircraft carriers. The military department has opinions that these ships are not only too expensive to maintain, but simply not suitable for a modern war.

    Over the next ten years, the Pentagon will have to save $ 500 billion. In this regard, Captain Henry Hendricks in his report called into question the justification for the maintenance of giant ships: “After 100 years, aircraft carriers are rapidly moving to the end of their useful lives.” In his opinion, they owe this to changes in tactics of naval combat: ships “may not be able to get close enough to targets” to act effectively and survive in the era of satellite imagery and modern warheads.

    Under US law, the naval forces must contain 11 aircraft carriers. After decommissioning USS Enterprise, ten aircraft carriers are now in service. The new ship, the USS Gerald Ford, will enter service in 2017. He will become the first representative of the “large-decked” class in the world and will cost the Pentagon twice as much as the previous ship - $ 13,6 billion, and this amount does not include the cost of development, and this is about $ 4,7 billion.

    Serving one attacking team costs the military department $ 6,5 million per day. The team includes an aircraft carrier, five military support ships, a submarine, 80 aircraft and helicopters, and a crew of 6,7 thousand people.

    But Hendricks insists that the return on these investments is negligible. Each bomb dropped cost $ 7,5 million, given all costs. While shelling one with Tomahawk shells costs $ 2 million, the construction of five naval fighters with these shells on board costs $ 10 billion, and their maintenance is $ 1,8 million per day.

    The justification for keeping aircraft carriers back in 2010 was called into question by Robert Gates, who was then the head of the Pentagon. “Do we really need 11 attacking teams for another 30 years, while no country holds more than one?” - Gates wondered. Advanced missiles and invisible submarines "can put an end to the immunity that our Navy has been using for almost six decades," the official then insisted, calling aircraft carriers "wasted money."
  15. Hemi cuda
    Hemi cuda 26 March 2013 08: 21
    On Fu-35 money spent a lot on Apaches is not enough)))