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Origin-12 - an independent sample or tuning "Saigi"?

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The company Alliance Armament is little known to the domestic man, but in its homeland in the USA, this company has already made its way up and, as they say, is now afloat. The main direction in which this company operates is the AK, AR tuning and, more recently, the Saiga gun file development. And now the company has grown to release its own weapons, namely the shop self-loading smooth-bore gun 12-caliber under the name of Origin-12. From the first look at this sample comes an understanding of what exactly formed its basis. Let's try to figure out what exactly is this gun.


Let's start with the look of the weapon. First of all, a flame arrester catches the eye, or rather, it is not even a flame arrester, but rather a nozzle on the barrel for the opportunity to poke into the enemy and slightly scratch it. Naturally, the weapon did not go without a heap of attachment bars. So, on the forearm there is immediately an 4 mounting bracket, 3 of which are full-fledged and one, from the bottom, short, even very short. Another mount bracket is located on the receiver cover (this is a hint). Open sights removable, can be of various types. Butt arms folding, and in the version with a short barrel fixed, apparently due to some restrictions on the minimum length of the weapon. The switch fuse is made with a small detail on the receiver on the left side. The handle is rubberized, with grooves under the fingers of your hand, it looks quite comfortable, but the angle of tilt is very familiar, and the rubber does not hide contours. The device is fed from detachable box stores, which are ideally suited to the Saiga 12-caliber, as well as vice versa. Automatic weapons built according to the scheme with the removal of powder gases from the barrel, however, in any other way, this time we omit.

In general, I will not beat around the bush, in my opinion, this is stupid Saiga. Let it be strong, very much toned up, but still Saiga. It seems like there is a reason to be worried, if we have not gathered to take away a piece of the market, but if you look at the price, you can breathe a sigh of relief. The device is worth as much as 2600 and not at all rubles. Additional shop to the weapon will cost 55 dollars. It is interesting that the price is the same for any version of the weapon, both with a short barrel and with a long one. And this is the price for the basic package, apparently, the "full stuffing" will pull on the 4, and even on the 5 thousands of dollars.

It is interesting now in this moment only one thing, whether they will buy weapons, and whether it is worth giving a weapon permit to those people who are going to buy this gun, because, in my opinion, such a person clearly has deviations or is simply blind. I don’t argue that a weapon can be created completely from scratch, it can be really made with the highest quality, but, it seems like, and domestic products are not exported to the poor quality, not like what is sold in the homeland. By the way, I wonder where the lawyers of our largest producer of weapons are looking, because there is already a clear plagiarism in its purest form.

In general, here is such a small note about the “new” weapon. I look forward to commenting. Who thinks about this? Maybe I missed something, but it seems to me that the citizens are being pumped out stupidly for products that could be bought and lower price. Although it is better than selling an ordinary pistol with the weight and dimensions of a submachine gun, and when a classic design pistol is much more expensive to manufacture, as was the case with gun in the body of software AP9.

Origin-12 - an independent sample or tuning "Saigi"?

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  1. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 25 March 2013 09: 22
    +7
    Now I’m only waving Masha and get a mustache, you can stomp into court.
    1. avt
      avt 25 March 2013 10: 07
      +7
      Quote: cth; fyn
      Now I’m only waving Masha and get a mustache, you can stomp into court.

      Not everything is so simple. They hang all sorts of things and patent a specific trade as a model and are tormented by proving. It will be cheaper to spit on everything. Judging by the price indicated in the article, the guys with such an eye and work. To slap a dough right away is a lot from a small batch but especially not to shine.
    2. the47th
      the47th 25 March 2013 10: 42
      +4
      Americans generally somehow parallel Russian patents. In addition, given that Saiga costs around $ 1200 there, and good tuning kits can be bought for $ 500, you can predict that Origin-12 will be few to buy.
      1. avt
        avt 25 March 2013 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: the47th
        Americans generally somehow parallel Russian patents

        Not certainly in that way . They put it on Soviet copyright certificates, it’s so. But the patent paid and registered is a slightly different scenario. Here is how the Chinese can drive counterfeit or dodge cunningly. In this case, rather the second. And sue them, it will cost more with an unknown result.
        1. scrabler
          25 March 2013 11: 31
          +2
          Taking into account the fact that the desk is not the largest, it is possible to ensure that it closes its activity. wink The only question is that the price of the question will be high, and the time will go down - years.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 25 March 2013 16: 55
            +2
            scrabler, I recommend an article:
            Samuel Colt: from stupid mistakes and bankruptcy to legend.

            Well, what saves the company is the love of Americans for traditions, namely for legends. Still, the word "colt" is a galloping stallion, it has been forever in American history, like a Ford car. Even if Ford goes bankrupt, it will still remain name. Even if these Fords will do in China. In the same way as now, Colt sells under its name small-caliber rifles of the German company Walter, which also has long belonged not to the Walther family, but to the Umarex corporation.

            In the era of globalization, fixed assets are memorable name, and a more memorable name than "Colt" in the history of weapons is difficult to find, it is still sold and will be sold.

            http://nauka21vek.ru/archives/4224
            Remember ours, dear: today wears adidas, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland! So this is about Americans and their love for Brand Names.

            The author of the article quite thoroughly reveals the mentality of the Americans, as well as the "features" of their arms market. They will ALWAYS be in demand for Russian weapons! Provided, if it has a label "from Russia with love"! And no local private shop that occupies "its own niche" on the market, which is usually a customize-model (be it a chopper, be it an SUV, be it a snowboard), will never block the demand for Russian Arms. Even for themselves mini-homemade (Alliance Armament from among them) - this is also their bread, because they, in a sense, will be the same dealers.
            Competitions between them, it’s like Private trader-self-made vs WAL-MART an all-consuming and all-consuming, ridiculed in SouthPark. It was pursuing such a goal that Rogozin campaigned in His Faith - Stephen Seagal.
            Alliance Armament - website http://www.alliancearmament.com/index.aspx
            They need to "give preferences" as if they could be our dealers in the American civilian weapons market. It's a pity their laws do not allow.
            1. scrabler
              25 March 2013 17: 05
              +2
              Thank you, I read with pleasure hi It’s not that it’s a pity that someone is doing something, it’s just that the same money could be spent on the development of OUR weapons, although you’d rather quickly go to someone else’s pocket, but it’s still unpleasant to stick to it I do not like parasites smile
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 25 March 2013 17: 19
                +1
                You're welcome. They are not really parasites, they are more "sticky fish". JSC "Rosoboronexport" is a shark, but the habitat is not the same.
                just the same money could go to the development of OUR weapons
                they could, but could be squeezed out from small private owners, strong officials ... Really, things could really be beneficial - changes in the legislative base of the Russian Federation! What would company "Tsar Cannon", with a rifle Lobaev not dumped in the UAE from one-two-times in Russia.
                But after all in a sense, "Tsar Cannon" is "our Alliance Armament". Then it will be good for gunsmiths when the civilian arms market in Russia becomes wider.

                The weapons of fame of Lobaev and his connections in the power structures, where he supplied part of his weapons, did not help much when Tsar Cannon did not renew the production license in 2010. Rumor has it that this was the result of the secret intrigues of the Izhevsk plant, which the development of a competitor was an eyesore. But everything remained at the level of rumors that neither Lobaev himself nor his colleagues, who communicated with the rifle owners on Internet forums, began to debunk or confirm. Instead, the Tsar Cannon promptly took out the equipment, sold the building in Tarus and moved out with employees and machine tools to the United Arab Emirates.

                http://www.chaso.ru/magazine/2012-04/tsar_pushka_imperator_v_izgnanii/
        2. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 25 March 2013 14: 24
          +1
          The body kit does not matter, all the salt in the weapons scheme, in automation.
          If they prove that he copies Saigi’s automation, then Khan Amer, as I understand it, saiga goes to international trade and must have international patents.
    3. SAFON 1
      SAFON 1 16 September 2013 08: 39
      0
      Is there a patent for Saiga? It is also collected from various other people's inventions, so to speak - "folk art"
  2. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 25 March 2013 09: 44
    0
    Cyril, thanks. Article +! Interesting topic. Some kind of Galil is smooth-bore. the fact of plagiarism is evident. Something like this.
    1. scrabler
      25 March 2013 11: 32
      0
      Thank you hi And how many more such weapons, do not count. We need to start a company to eradicate such copyers. This is money the country is essentially taking away.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 25 March 2013 11: 45
        +1
        Quote: scrabler
        . We need to start a company to eradicate such copiers.

        This is a match for the fight against windmills. Take China, he really copies everything, does. worse, that at the original level, and trades spitting on everyone. But in general, we all lick something from each other. In the USA and Israel, they made new carbines; some units are based on AKs.
        1. scrabler
          25 March 2013 12: 03
          +1
          And why not actually? There are quite a few successful trials and will already have to think before copying something. And then they used that AK wealth of mankind. I'm not greedy, but somehow it is still a pity (
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 25 March 2013 12: 10
            +1
            The idea is good, but who will do it? P. Astakhov? laughing We do not sue the authorities in our own country, but as with foreign countries, again our mentality, such as to hell with them. Although to teach a lesson to booty. I agree!!!!
  3. bazilio
    bazilio 25 March 2013 09: 54
    +3
    Thanks to Cyril. Plagiarism is striking, but legal proceedings will not be so simple. You need to start with whether Izhmash patented saigas or not, to which territory it is spread. patent, etc. In addition, it seems to me that plagiarists in the event of a lawsuit will argue that their gun was made on the basis of AK 47, but Saigan, no, did not hear. It is noteworthy that they copy, which means that Saiga is recognized and in demand
    1. scrabler
      25 March 2013 11: 55
      +1
      Thank you smile The quickest way and say that on the basis of AK47 done sad
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 March 2013 17: 02
        0
        The quickest way and say that on the basis of AK47 done

        the more so because the Bulgarian license is valid for them, and the hinged one is almost identical to both the saiga and the Kalash ...
  4. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 25 March 2013 10: 02
    +2
    It seems to me that in America to the Amer
    it is useless to sue a Russian manufacturer smile
  5. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 25 March 2013 10: 13
    +1
    And so, we draw conclusions! Amer forgot how to make their own rotten weapons and went on to the stage of plagiarism. Either from the considerations that OUR weapons are better than anyone in the world, or the brains are not enough to do something different ...
    1. scrabler
      25 March 2013 11: 29
      0
      No, it would be nice if it were so. Just found a relatively cheap popular sample from which you can cut a lot of money.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 25 March 2013 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: LaGlobal
        And so, we draw conclusions! Amer forgot how to make their own rotten weapons and went on to the stage of plagiarism. Either from the considerations that OUR weapons are better than anyone in the world, or the brains are not enough to do something different ...

        Not really, just here I see 3 factors of success for Saiga in the states - lower price + good performance characteristics + "pedigree". If I were an American advertiser, I would promote Saiga as follows- "Created on the basis of the legendary AK 47, a simple and reliable rifle of harsh Russian soldiers. Saiga, touch the legend! If you order Saiga right now, you will receive a balalaika as a gift, 0,5 , 3 Stolichnaya and XNUMX processed cheese "Druzhba"
        1. Heccrbq
          Heccrbq 25 March 2013 14: 47
          +1
          Saiga --- simple and reliable ??????? This is a piece ....... When buying a 410th in an arms store, they immediately gave the phone to the master to eliminate factory jambs, I naturally postponed the purchase under a plausible excuse, read the forums on the Hansa about this product and the hair stood on end in all uncomfortable places. I bought a Turkish semiautomatic device with a tactical handle --- a fairy tale! It sits like a glove in my shoulder, not a single refusal!
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 25 March 2013 17: 05
            +2
            Saiga --- simple and reliable ??????? This is a piece ......

            it’s not about the tenth, but about 12, and this is a completely different model, and export one, so I think the quality there is at a level.
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach 25 March 2013 17: 27
            0
            Saiga --- simple and reliable ???????

            It is in this connection that in the states it is possible to open a business a la Alliance Armament. And in Russia, from under the floor, he will come to an agreement with a murky gunsmith, who will be "recommended in the store", who, of course, not in share, but out of love for art, will bring weapons to mind. (even if he is the 123rd reincarnation of the legendary "Lefty", it is still a semi-legal existence)
            1. SAFON 1
              SAFON 1 16 September 2013 08: 46
              0
              And our "Lefties" are strangled by the state. Any area from jeans to airplanes.
        2. dmitreach
          dmitreach 25 March 2013 17: 24
          +1
          "Created on the basis of the legendary AK 47, a simple and reliable rifle bike of severe Russian soldiers.

          It is precisely for this reason that it is popular among amers.
  6. Nayhas
    Nayhas 25 March 2013 10: 16
    +4
    Demand will definitely be and the price will not stop. This is the same as buying the same, but not like everyone else. The fact that IZHMASH does not bother with design and options, and left uncles frankly use it, is IZHMASH’s trouble.
    PS: Excuse me, but the design of Saigi-12 is frankly dull and the fact that American companies are cashing in on its upgrade only Izhmash’s management needs to blame.
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 25 March 2013 10: 38
      +1
      I agree. It would be possible to open several offices involved in upgrading and fitting weapons to the end user. You can even at your dealership (or the name of the shop that resells). BUT this is not for the Russian market. We do not have that standard of living and we don’t have that culture of handling weapons. It is impossible to make such offices over the hill for political reasons (and this is not only a matter of competition).
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 25 March 2013 13: 08
        +1
        Quote: Zerstorer
        BUT this is not for the Russian market. We do not have that standard of living and we don’t have that culture of handling weapons.

        Come on you: not for the Russian Federation, not for us, we are not like that ... Read shooting sites, people are ready to pay for all this, a lot of people are buying weapons for entertaining shooting, and there is nothing wrong with that. Only now, the same Saigu or Boar are tuned as best they can, there is no factory kit, they are outbid through tenth hands and the Internet at semi-artisan offices, which can’t do much because of legislative obstacles.
        1. Zerstorer
          Zerstorer 25 March 2013 16: 09
          +1
          Legislative obstacles are one for all. Tuning with us weapons are not as many as we would like. Conclusion - you need to make a budget option for revision. In the vastness of the Russian Federation, this is too risky.
      2. dmitreach
        dmitreach 25 March 2013 17: 45
        +2
        there isn’t that weapon culture.

        this **** **** mantra is only exclusively and categorically in the minds of Thinking law-sufferers. am am am
        And as for the amers themselves, this "kulutura" often looks like lack of culture and permissiveness. we do not need THIS!
        PS this despite the fact that I am for the legalization of the CCW.
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 25 March 2013 11: 02
      +1
      Of course, I understand that tuning (a beautiful weapon) and stuff like that ... But first of all, the weapon should work in any conditions, be reliable and not whimsical.
      1. scrabler
        25 March 2013 11: 28
        0
        Well, then how to say, how they say the taste and color of all markers are different. For example, I like weapons completely in metal, with a shabby appearance. Someone likes plastic, so he cannot live without him, but give brilliant things to someone and everything. Well, the fact that it should work is as if by itself implied, especially in this case, everything has already been worked out to the smallest detail - take it and stamp it.
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 25 March 2013 12: 04
        0
        Does your statement apply to everything you encounter? Well, like, I don't need a car that "should work in all conditions" and I don't care what it looks like? I think not, weapons are the same product that you need to be able to sell and appearance is just as important.
        1. scrabler
          25 March 2013 12: 11
          +2
          Do not believe it, honestly need a car with a cross tank and do not care how it looks smile Not early adolescence in front of girls show off. The machine is primarily a working tool or attribute is the same as an expensive suit or a phone with a decorative trim. In my case, more important than patency than the appearance. Ideally, of course, I would like two options - field and front, but field is more important wink
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 25 March 2013 13: 11
            +1
            And how many of you are in the world? And how many people are ready to buy a new gadget just because it is a bit different than others, while realizing that in terms of functionality it is exactly the same, but it costs more? There are a lot of them, most of them, but for the sake of them all this (the topic of the article) is done.
            1. bazilio
              bazilio 25 March 2013 14: 01
              +1
              Quote: Nayhas
              how many people are willing to buy a new gadget just because it’s a little different than others,

              oh yes, there are many. what kind of iPhone with a case of gold, a meteorite, trimmed with the skin of a mammoth found in the ice of the Arctic, a design developed jointly by Armani and Dolcekabana, assembled by the hands of Madagascar virgins and more))))
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 25 March 2013 17: 56
                +1
                not besides the adherents of the sect of the dirty apple there is another sect of fetishists laughing (he is one of them second, but as a civil tour)
                so
                http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/26364.html
                or as
                EOTech, Aimpoint and Trijicon sights. These are OpsCore helmets. This is a Blackhawk Cabaret. These are Oakley glasses and Blackhawk gloves. This camouflage cartoons and uniform sets from Cry Precision. These are active headphones and accessories Peltor and Sordin. Etc.
                the list can be extended for a long time ....

                And by the way, in the states, Eugene's AR-15 has long become "Lego" or "hardware with open architecture."
              2. Nayhas
                Nayhas 25 March 2013 22: 41
                0
                These weapons are designed for such people. And on Izhmash they could have thought for themselves why they should give their bread to strangers ...
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 25 March 2013 22: 59
                  0
                  We have a problem with the laws. The market is not so massive and conservative. It is difficult to attract new consumers of consumption. Although I am surprised at their stubbornness. After all, besides supplying Kalash to the Moscow region - in the millions, you can take and improve the same "millions". If you don't have anything and the plant is barely plowing, why have they just grown to Ak12? They didn’t work with the PM, but it didn’t work out with Ak .. We could have come to such a "bright thought" earlier, proposing a program to modernize the bins of the motherland ...
                  There is another example: rifle ammunition. (hunting / sport) They, the producers, are told: we eat cartridges - tens of thousands, which is comparable to the Soviet era of hamster, waiting for Arctic foxes. But we (clubs / shooting galleries) have quality requirements ... The answer is in the style: "go the forest", we dream back to UCCR, with the only customer - the State - a classic of the genre. request
        2. SAFON 1
          SAFON 1 16 September 2013 08: 55
          0
          A good thing looks good on its own. hands cannot create an ugly but fit THING. but beautiful shit - they can. Take a look at Russian cars - no matter how they paint - they don't start in the cold, they crumble on the go. Or "unimog" - even an unpainted one calmly rides on sand, mud, starts up in any frost and falls apart without weekly major repairs.
  7. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 25 March 2013 11: 53
    +1
    I watched on the Nauka channel a program in which the "leading weapons experts" (quite by accident, as for the selection of Americans), selected ten "best models of small arms" (quite by accident - American). About three samples, self-best, straight great (one of them is being considered here), it was said that they will allow you "to compete with the AK 47 at a distance of up to 300 meters."
    Double insurance, so to speak, given that such a thing as AK 47 does not exist in nature ... Yes, but AK 74, of course, is bad! The barrel lifts up, everything is terrible ...
  8. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 March 2013 12: 16
    +1
    Plagiarists, these Americans! They generally need to ban weapons, and so they shoot at each other indiscriminately!
  9. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 25 March 2013 12: 38
    +1
    Well, all Amer’s best ideas are being flown in, and they’re also sinning against the Chinese ... recently there was news about satellites at Lagrange points operating in the infrared ranges. The idea to be born failed ... Amer checked it out and quickly banged the satellite.
  10. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 25 March 2013 13: 09
    +1
    Not surprising. In the US, several private firms stupidly collect AK and sell it openly. Even without awnings, without inventing anything. Until now, no one has sued ...
  11. zmey
    zmey 25 March 2013 13: 39
    +1
    Another amerovskaja "wunderwaffle" for taking money from suckers and pontovaya youth.
  12. Castor oil
    Castor oil 25 March 2013 13: 54
    +2
    a flame arrester catches your eye, or rather, it’s not even a flame arrester, but rather a nozzle on the barrel for the possibility of safely knocking locks out of doors,

    Cyril, please change this, to put it mildly, a fantastic assumption of the appointment of a "brutal type of flame extinguisher" - in addition to the design perversion, such sharp roses on flame archers are presented by the creators (both in our country and in the cords), for the purpose of application, for a shocking impact on the face, throat, limbs an adversary during an assault (break the will, suppress, or simply with sudden contact face to face), and, as a maximum for breaking the tempered glass of an office door, a car ... well, certainly not for striking the locks (then it is better to drill with rotation, the effect is higher will be)))) And for locks and hinges there is a special ammunition (by the way, here's a topic for you for the next article) wink
    On the topic - it’s not Saiga-12 which amers tune in a perverted form as they please, but it looks like a mixture of Arka and Saiga smile
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYsQDq9_wvk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBLld7yz-g
    Sincerely.
    1. scrabler
      25 March 2013 14: 12
      +1
      I did not even think about such an appointment laughing Here already the head was trying to find at least some use of this miracle on the trunk. I'll fix it now, thanks hi
      1. Castor oil
        Castor oil 25 March 2013 14: 18
        +2
        And by the way, I found about such a "poker" - it looks like in its database this is the maximum Saiga ...
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmN7YFmWVUE
        and translation of the comment ...
        "" "It is an improvement on the saiga platform. This will have the capability to handle multiple calibers with a quick change barrel. Pretty much a saiga made with modern technology. Nickel Teflon is amazing if you haven't seen it before it pretty much feels like the internals are gobbed with lube when dry. It is amazing stuff and super expensive. Really nice shotgun! "" ": - This is an improvement on the saiga platform. It will be able to handle multiple calibers with a quick barrel change. Quite a few saigas are made with modern technology. Nickel Teflon is surprising if you haven't seen it before it pretty much feels like the internal organs gobbed with lubricant when dry. These are amazing things and super expensive. A really good gun!
        sorry for google-translation, but it is clear that "saigas" mean laughing
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 25 March 2013 14: 32
      +1
      Castor, you didn’t think correctly (although it may be correct) I saw such garbage on a short Benelli shotgun (essno in the photo) it spoke about the leakage of powder gases through the gap between the obstacle and the cut of the barrel. A sort of crown on the barrel, the shotgun was intended for defense and action in tight spaces, taking into account the specifics of firing at point-blank range (I'm talking about Benelli)
      Perhaps here the milking function is laid in and create a gap and how to use the bayonet.
      1. Castor oil
        Castor oil 25 March 2013 14: 41
        +2
        Quote: cth; fyn
        Castor, you didn’t think correctly (although it may be correct) I saw such garbage on a short Benelli shotgun (essno in the photo) it spoke about the leakage of powder gases through the gap between the obstacle and the cut of the barrel. A sort of crown on the barrel, the shotgun was intended for defense and action in tight spaces, taking into account the specifics of firing at point-blank range (I'm talking about Benelli)
        Perhaps here the milking function is laid in and create a gap and how to use the bayonet.

        It was not I who "thought" correctly, but the creators of such devices. Zeniths position their similar muzzles in this way (as described), and practitioners (servicemen) discovered such a feature of sharp slits - such fearful buckets are less clogged with dirt, and, moreover, visual control is facilitated (is there any rubbish stuffed into the muzzle) - this means that silk flame arresters were created to disperse the unmasking flame from the barrel crown, and only then they think about the fact that they say "gases flow safely when firing point-blank", while I declare responsibly - when firing, leaning tightly against the body, the barrel without a DTK or a flame arrester is nothing. current in the way) wink
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 26 March 2013 12: 15
          0
          Try it, the return is just fantastic should be in theory.
          Have you ever burned cartridges in a fire? as far as I remember it is the bullets that remain in the fire, and the shells fly away. This is explained by the fact that the bullet is heavier and the charge is easier to disperse the sleeve and most of the energy is given to it. What is it for? Everything is simple when shooting at a point-blank weapon is always lighter than the target and the entire recoil momentum will go exactly to the weapon.
  13. Clueless
    Clueless 25 March 2013 14: 29
    +1
    our weapons in the usa are not directly sold to civilians, that's why american offices either carry out light tuning, or as in this case deep, and sell under your own brand any American
    1. scrabler
      25 March 2013 15: 11
      +1
      And very very vain not selling smile
  14. homosum20
    homosum20 25 March 2013 14: 33
    +1
    Amer is rapidly approaching the Chinese. Pleases. Road to nowhere.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 March 2013 17: 17
      +2
      Amer is rapidly approaching the Chinese. Pleases. Road to nowhere.

      it’s not clear what you mean, if it’s about plagiarism, then there’s nothing like that, serious tuning and not a lot of peeling, almost all the same what our people do after going to the store abroad, only now they come out in the finished version, and we still have to run around for no reason, and if you order a tun from behind a hill (as it was in my case), you also need to go put a candle at customs that you would have missed, otherwise they might pop up.
      I ordered myself this on the SCS from the states, http://www.tapco.com/products/sks/
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 25 March 2013 17: 33
        +1
        This indicates the presence of small "auto workshops", only for customizing weapons. If our laws allowed ... I'm even afraid to imagine how many such private shops would open ...
  15. tracer
    tracer 25 March 2013 16: 23
    +2
    There is a model ... But it has no prospects. Russian and Soviet weapons are wildly popular in North America. For example SCS holds all conceivable sales records in Canada for the last 4 years. Unfortunately, nothing but SCS, SVT, and Mosin can be bought in Canada (this is from Russian. Anything similar to AK is even prohibited in principle. This is certainly not a "popular weapon of terrorists", although this point is also controversial. But American such masterpieces can easily be bought .. But ....... For some reason no one buys them, well, maybe with rare exceptions. American semi-automatic weapons for the civilian market have long been and, first of all, in the American market itself a common noun ... All these rubber comfortable handles, light plastic parts and aluminum ... All this is bullshit, everything breaks and does not work. So this "handicraft" will not take away any market from SAIGI and VEPRA. Buyer is not, value for money knows how to count.
    1. scrabler
      25 March 2013 17: 09
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      Cut out the word correct smile As in the article, he said that if someone decides to buy this thing at such a price, then they can safely be denied permission, because a person with such a purchase proves his or her mental inferiority, and the weapon is not supposed to be in the queue for current treatment.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 25 March 2013 18: 06
      +1
      CIA (Century International Arms inc.) Is the main importer of AK family assault rifles in the USA.
      Recently, CIA introduced its own version of the AK assault rifle under the designation model 39. This version of the AK assault rifle is completely manufactured in the USA. Dissatisfaction with the quality of the machines delivered to the USA prompted CIA to launch its own machine without the use of standard parts in the production of a steel stamped steel receiver, as well as to exclude components from Eastern Europe. Absolutely all the parts from which the machine is assembled are manufactured in the USA by various companies and assembled at the CIA enterprise. Thus, CIA is the only company producing an automatic system AK in the United States.


      all other companies are more likely tyunengodels. Although there is certainly a loophole for official laws. Like to buy a license from the Bulgarians ... Or Kitaysev ...
      http://www.guns.yfa1.ru/avtomat-kalashnikova-sdelano-v-ssha.html
  16. alert_timka
    alert_timka 25 March 2013 20: 35
    +2
    Quote: PSih2097
    Amer is rapidly approaching the Chinese. Pleases. Road to nowhere.

    it’s not clear what you mean, if it’s about plagiarism, then there’s nothing like that, serious tuning and not a lot of peeling, almost all the same what our people do after going to the store abroad, only now they come out in the finished version, and we still have to run around for no reason, and if you order a tun from behind a hill (as it was in my case), you also need to go put a candle at customs that you would have missed, otherwise they might pop up.
    I ordered myself this on the SCS from the states, http://www.tapco.com/products/sks/

    do not recognize SCS immediately, handsome.
  17. Mikhalych63
    Mikhalych63 26 March 2013 04: 04
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    It’s a pity that we don’t have such tuning ...
  18. larsky1
    larsky1 27 March 2013 00: 33
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    but I liked how the saigas were upgraded ..... let our engineers wrestle us