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Syrians have created a new defense for their T-72

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Syrians have created a new defense for their T-72The Syrian army not only continues to smash international terrorists, but has also begun to install on armored vehicles protection adequate to the emerging threats.


In recent months, Syrian mechanized units operating in the Daraya region have developed effective tactics for sharing their tanks T-72AV and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles. As a result of such joint actions, it was possible to minimize the loss of personnel and equipment.

Wanting to somehow reduce the activity of the Syrian army, the militants have resorted to the creation of a special group that should specialize in hunting for tanks of government troops.

A well-trained rocket launcher managed to destroy two T-72. At the same time used Russian RPG-29 "Vampire", stolen from army arsenals.

These grenade launchers, due to the presence of tandem cumulative combat units are effective weapons against any tanks. Moreover, the fighter aimed at the least protected on-board projections of the combat vehicle, which, as a result of active exploitation, lost the elements of Dynamic Protection "Contact-1". It should be noted that "Contact-1" was developed almost 30 years ago and is currently not as effective against modern anti-tank weapons.

During the last successful use of terrorists for the use of RPG "Vampire" tank exploded and the crew died.

The Syrian military has long been criticized for not being very flexible in responding to emerging threats, since the majority of older T-72 models have not yet received funds that reduce the effectiveness of cumulative ammunition. But tankers operating in Darayya, not only masterfully own their equipment, but also quickly learn from their mistakes.

So the other day in the area on the video was shot tank T-72AB with new side screens. Of course, it is difficult to understand some design features only from this video, but one can discern that they have an impressive thickness. In any case, such protection is better than just bare, not covered side.



Again, in the video you can see that in the place next to the gun, where the infrared illuminator "Luna-4" was previously mounted, the Syrians installed additional blocks of dynamic protection "Contact-1". Thus, they covered another vulnerable zone of the tank.

Curiously, the newest modification of the modernized Russian T-72 is supplied to the army without any protection in this place. If the events in Chechnya did not become a lesson for us, maybe at least we will take into account the Syrian experience? Moreover, the installation of a pair of “reactive armor” units will not become burdensome for the Russian military budget. But it turns out that again we save on "matches".
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  1. Andrey57
    Andrey57 25 March 2013 08: 14 New
    33
    The lazy one didn’t write and didn’t talk about this vulnerable spot on the tower of tanks, but our tank manufacturers didn’t get drunk, in Chechnya they were sitting in those tanks that the gangster grenade launchers fired at.
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 25 March 2013 10: 01 New
      11
      Good thought, we need to send specialists to Syria to participate in the battles. After that, they quickly snap
      1. rennim
        rennim 25 March 2013 10: 24 New
        22

        Good thought, we need to send specialists to Syria to participate in the battles. After that, they quickly snap


        You want to send grandfathers under 60 to war. It doesn’t hurt humanely. Designers are not tyrants and not stupid. Just for active assistance in the development we need the joint work of the defense industry and the Defense Ministry. Previously, such a structure existed ... nowadays. If you want to help improve military equipment ... do not be lazy and write a letter directly to the plant ... Even the State Duma of the plant. And the reasoning on the site is meaningless. And if there are suggestions ... all the more ... nobody canceled the racuhi .... Write !!!
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 25 March 2013 11: 18 New
          +6
          The problem is not with the designers, I am sure they have a bunch of trump developments and ideas. Just MO on KB x МО put. Now the top army officials do not care about the army. Until they poke their nose, they will not say what to do, they will not stir, or rather they will not begin to make the appearance of violent activity. They are both the country and the army on the side
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 26 March 2013 11: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: bezumnyiPIT
            Just MO on KB x МО put.

            And this is the case - of all the options for modernizing the T-72, ours has chosen the most flawed, it was cheaper to only repaint. As a result, instead of

            we have
            1. dmitry46
              dmitry46 26 March 2013 15: 15 New
              +5
              In the first photo of the T-72 with the Arena defense system installed, this system destroys the shells fired at the tank on approach. The arena was proposed to be installed on the T-80 (during modernization) and the T-90. BUT our "beloved" Serdyukov and his team said - EXPENSIVE! For these NON-PEOPLE, the life of the crew was cheaper.
        2. griha988
          griha988 26 March 2013 19: 28 New
          0
          Who knows how to get to the Uralvagonzavod and Meno to KB? just have an idea for KAZ. and how to draw a drawing \ drawing so that at least pay attention to it?
      2. Kars
        Kars 25 March 2013 15: 07 New
        +6
        It’s strange, and what’s especially new there? That it is impossible to draw conclusions without contact.

        BM Oplot 4 m 18 cm tank width with removable protective shields. tracked 3.40
      3. Polytechnic
        Polytechnic 25 March 2013 23: 15 New
        +1
        I think there are already a lot of our designers and specialists))
      4. nakaz
        nakaz 26 March 2013 07: 35 New
        0
        Probably just saving the budget. Surely, with a serious threat, a set of dynamic and active defenses will be quickly hung even on a bare tank.
        1. Letun
          Letun 26 March 2013 16: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: nakaz
          Probably just saving the budget. Surely, with a serious threat, a set of dynamic and active defenses will be quickly hung even on a bare tank.

          In! I recognize my native Russian maybe, and hope that the time will come and someone will come up with something for us! laughing
      5. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 26 March 2013 20: 00 New
        +1
        it’s not necessary to send design engineers, but General Makarov, together with his former minister, otherwise they don’t know why tanks are needed in general and what to do with them in particular !!!
    2. elmi
      elmi 25 March 2013 11: 18 New
      +4
      Damn, I would be in the place of the government before ordering dynamic protection and other bells and whistles for our tanks, would set the conditions to test them in combat conditions in Syria. And on the basis of their conclusion - criticism or praise, it is up to the decision to order or not. Field tests do not reflect many aspects.
      1. Letun
        Letun 26 March 2013 16: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: elmi
        Damn, I would be in the place of the government before ordering dynamic protection and other bells and whistles for our tanks, would set the conditions to test them in combat conditions in Syria.

        Can i ask you? And how do you imagine this? It means that they released 10 tanks, we transport them by train to another state, well, like, not to fight, but to test. Dear Sirs, Syrian tank crews, please ride our tanks, otherwise we don’t know which of the developed defense methods is more effective. Time passes, out of 10 tanks return 5. Ours are: "Here are my thanks to the Syrians friends! Condolences to the dead, and we are at the factory, to finalize the design!" So what? Elmi, specifically you will ride
        Quote: elmi
        test them in combat conditions in Syria
        ?
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 March 2013 12: 35 New
      +2
      SSA commander Riad al-Assad seriously injured



      The commander of the Syrian Free Army (FSA), a former colonel of the Syrian armed forces, Riyad al-Assad was seriously wounded while attempting to assassinate him in the province of Deir ez-Zor, Al-Mayadin Arab television channel reported. A bomb was planted in a car with Turkish license plates on which al-Assad moved. It was activated when the rebel leader got into the car. With severe wounds, a fugitive colonel was taken to one of the hospitals in Deir ez-Zora, which is under the control of militants.

      According to representatives of the "free army", the explosion rang out near the Mayadin area, where there are battles between government troops and the armed forces of the SSA. According to anti-government sources, in recent days the “Islamist brigades” and the SSA have made progress on the border with Jordan, in the provinces of Idleb and Homs, but there is almost no data on the situation in the province of Deir ez-Zor.

      Syrian Air Force Colonel Riyad al-Assad in July 2011 deserted from the army, joined the armed opposition and was appointed commander of the so-called "Syrian Free Army." Until the fall of 2012, al-Assad led the operations of the SSA from Turkish territory. In September 2012, the SSA headquarters was moved to Syrian territory in the province of Aleppo. Where the headquarters is currently located is unknown.

      A year ago, in March 2012, Turkish intelligence reported that the Syrian intelligence services tried to organize the abduction of the commander of the SSA, but the operation to seize him failed. Turkish experts detained an employee of the Syrian foreign intelligence service, who was in a militant camp to collect information about al-Assad's movements.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 March 2013 12: 41 New
      +1
      Lebanese Tripoli - street fighting



      The armed clashes in the city of Tripoli in northern Lebanon between the Sunni and Alawite communities are continuing with increasing activity. At least three dead are reported. On the side of the Sunnis, militants of the so-called "Syrian Free Army" (SSA) are active in Lebanon. On Saturday, intense skirmishes using grenade launchers and machine guns continued on the separation line between the Alawite region of Tripoli, Jebel Mohsen, and the Sunni quarters of Al-Kaba and Bab at-Tabban.

      The Lebanese Alawites are supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and the Sunnis support the Syrian rebels. Moreover, the Lebanese Sunnis are actively participating in the fighting in Syria on the side of the armed opposition, and the Syrian militants themselves began to actively act in northern Lebanon against the Lebanese army.
      Skirmishes also take place in the suburbs of Tripoli on the Tripoli-Accar highway. According to the testimony of local residents, both local and foreign fighters from the SSA are operating in this area.

      In Tripoli itself, cellular communication is disabled. Lebanese army units were preparing to enter the Alawite region of Jebel Mohsen on Saturday, but the deployment of troops had to be postponed due to ongoing shootings and sniper activity. Snipers shoot through a section of the Tripoli-Akkar federal highway. In the city traffic is paralyzed.
      1. firefox090
        firefox090 26 March 2013 11: 52 New
        +2
        Tripoli like in Libya ... not?
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 March 2013 12: 41 New
      +5
      American publication on the role of the United States in the war against Syria



      The CIA has set up camps in neighboring Syria to train members of armed terrorist groups. In addition, CIA officers provide militants with information about the deployment of units of the Syrian army, the newspaper The Wall Street Journal, which published March 23 an article stating that US intelligence agencies are expanding their role in the Syrian crisis.

      As noted in the article, the CIA does this by increasing support for the armed Syrian opposition and using spy satellites to collect information about the movements of the Syrian military and the location of arms depots.

      At the same time, the publication notes that the CIA sent its agents to Turkey in order to coordinate actions with Western and regional intelligence agencies. Referring to responsible Western figures, the newspaper indicated that American instructors are training terrorists in the use of anti-tank weapons and in street battles.

      The Wall Street Journal notes that last year the CIA received a green light from the White House to expand US support for the Syrian opposition, including arms, political and diplomatic support, and strategic information. All this once again confirms US involvement in the escalation of the Syrian crisis.

      Source: regnum.ru
    6. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 March 2013 12: 52 New
      0
      Syrian opposition did not accept the resignation of its leader



      In Syria, the National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces did not accept the resignation of Ahmed Muaz al-Khatib. He will remain the leader of the opposition until the next meeting, the date of which is not yet known, CNN reports.

      The official representative of the coalition, which continues to struggle with the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, said that "A. Al-Khatib managed to unite disparate opposition groups in a difficult period for her, as well as gain popularity and approval of the people." That is why the politician will remain at the head of the opposition body.

      AN wrote that al-Khatib, who led the Syrian opposition in November 2012, announced his resignation on Facebook.

      For the National Coalition at this stage, the resignation of the head is extremely inappropriate: on Tuesday, the Arab League must decide on the coalition's membership in the Parabian League as the legal representative of Syria, which will make it possible to formally intervene in the Syrian conflict.

      Meanwhile, on the Golan Heights, the Israeli military opened fire on anti-tank missiles on Syrian territory the day before.
    7. hrych
      hrych 25 March 2013 17: 48 New
      +5
      Yes, it’s not a matter of defense, but a moron like Kvashnin, who brought tanks into the city. There is nothing for the tank to do in the city, in the field there is a place where the grenade launcher is eliminated beyond the range of its shot, even more so as it is aimed under the tower. And these figures, still those, so much time has passed, have taken care. They show on the video the non-panty raids of the Syrian tanks along the narrow eastern streets, how the debels turn the tower, bang hell knows where to shoot. The tank’s gun is designed to hit direct fire at several thousand meters, and not at twenty. Yes, in general it is surprising that they have not all been burned yet.
      1. Rink
        Rink 26 March 2013 21: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        Yes, it’s not a matter of defense, but a moron like Kvashnin, who brought tanks into the city. There is nothing for the tank to do in the city, in the field there is a place where the grenade launcher is eliminated beyond the range of its shot, even more so as it is aimed under the tower. And these figures, still those, so much time has passed, have taken care. They show on the video the non-panty raids of the Syrian tanks along the narrow eastern streets,

        I have questions too.
        Explain to me: on all the videos from Syria that I saw on the internet, tanks operate in urban areas with a maximum of three cars in a group with absolutely no infantry cover. The use of machine guns (not only anti-aircraft, but also coaxial) was practically not seen, only as an exception. They beat the “main caliber” wherever it seems - and all the tactics ...

        Why wonder at the loss? So grenade launchers can burn any modern car, not just battered "old men" ...
        Where is the infantry ?!
      2. Explore
        Explore 26 March 2013 21: 54 New
        +3
        As far as I remember, a tank in the city should play the role of a mobile firing point, moving BACK the battle formations of the infantry and, if necessary, overwhelming the FROM the enemy from their guns (sniper guns in the windows, machine-gun crews). It is clear that due to the low angles of vertical aiming of tank guns, this is not the best means for fighting in the city.
        But without fish ...
        BMP and armored personnel carriers do not have any reservation or firepower. Self-propelled guns for such purposes is irrational again. As always, you have to sacrifice the only universal means of supporting infantry - a tank.
        Although now all sorts of BMPT have been invented ...

        But without the support of tanks, it is noticeably slowed down by the advancement and infantry losses are growing. Is the life of a tankman more valuable than the life of an infantryman? 10 foot soldiers?

        Although I agree in Syria, it seems that there is no infantry covering the tank at all, and the tanks went for a walk ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 26 March 2013 23: 18 New
          +2
          The life of a tanker is more valuable than an infantryman, because This is a trained, qualified specialist managing expensive equipment. Yes, and we must take into account the psychological effect of the destruction of the tank and material damage. The fight against snipers should be carried out by special anti-sniper groups, there are methods of detection and counteraction. I don’t know about the lack of fish, but to take out the building’s floor with a sniper or machine-gun crew, it’s probably easier not to use the tank, but to rush out of the same RPG, but rather the Bumblebee flamethrower system. Destroys all living things up to 80 m³; lesion area: in open areas - from 50 m², in a confined space - up to 80 m². Sheltered targets are disabled due to the pressure drop even without breaking the barrier, if they are not sealed. Shooting is possible on the bunker embrasures, lightly armored targets, etc.
    8. lelikas
      lelikas 26 March 2013 20: 41 New
      0


      more about tank protection in Syria.
  2. valokordin
    valokordin 25 March 2013 08: 16 New
    +7
    The Syrians really need a "Terminator", there will be an occasion to test it in combat conditions. Let's see what a new formidable BTT it is.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 25 March 2013 08: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: valokordin
      need a "Terminator", there will be an occasion to test it in combat conditions

      Terminator the car is good but its tower bothers me, it is not protected by anything + weapons are still not enough. One accurate shot and all. If I'm wrong, correct me.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 25 March 2013 13: 28 New
        -2
        Yes, you are wrong. It will only correct you ... well, let's say ... time will correct everything ...
      2. don.kryyuger
        don.kryyuger 26 March 2013 16: 59 New
        0
        : Actually, this is a tank support vehicle.
    2. alexng
      alexng 25 March 2013 08: 40 New
      +6
      I think, as soon as he officially announces his assistance with the armament of the opposition, the Syrians will immediately have not only a "Terminator", but also something more interesting. And, if the West nevertheless decides to take this adventure, then it will be its most idiotic tactical and fatal mistake, which will destroy the West completely.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 25 March 2013 09: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: alexneg
        I think, as soon as he officially announces his assistance with the armament of the opposition, the Syrians will immediately have not only a "Terminator", but also something more interesting. And, if the West nevertheless decides to take this adventure, then it will be its most idiotic tactical and fatal mistake, which will destroy the West completely.


        Unfortunately, it will not destroy. Because these "invincible warriors" will fight with the wrong hands, however, as always.
        1. politruk419
          politruk419 26 March 2013 11: 18 New
          +2
          Here we are talking about something else. Open delivery to the militants of the Armed Forces and other "nishtyakov" from England and France, unties the hands of our and Chinese deliveries to Assad's army.
      2. ssergn
        ssergn 26 March 2013 08: 43 New
        0
        Quote: alexneg
        the most idiotic tactical and fatal mistake
        the west

        This is a feint with Cyprus ears. And it's not a joke.
      3. Explore
        Explore 26 March 2013 22: 01 New
        +1
        If we give them at least our entire T-90 fleet, this will not solve anything.
        With all due respect to Syria, they physically will not be able to resist the combined group of the SSA, Israel, Turkey, France, England, the USA, etc.
        The forces are too unequal ...
    3. Hudo
      Hudo 25 March 2013 09: 28 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      The Syrians really need a "Terminator", there will be an occasion to test it in combat conditions. Let's see what a new formidable BTT it is.


      Not so simple. (IMHO) On the one hand, running in combat conditions is undoubtedly necessary. This means sending instructors, factory specialists, representatives of the design bureau, the military, who will analyze the combat experience gained, and so on, into the combat zone.

      On the other hand, it is not a fact that some people in and around the Foreign Ministry are against it. The motivation is simple - such a number of specialists around the break-in in battle will undoubtedly be issued by gamerikens as direct intervention of Russia in the military conflict, with all, as they say, flowing and flowing consequences.
    4. Sirocco
      Sirocco 25 March 2013 09: 33 New
      0
      Gentlemen who will say something about the Arena defense complex, the video was impressive. To help Syria with such complexes. [Media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = yQ9JPTVDFeg]
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 25 March 2013 09: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: Sirocco
        Gentlemen who will say something about the Arena defense complex, the video was impressive. To help Syria with such complexes. [Media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = yQ9JPTVDFeg]


        Danger zone of the Arena, 20-30 meters, i.e. in cramped conditions on the narrow streets of Syrian cities, its infantry interacting with the armored vehicle will also be amazed. (IMHO)
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 26 March 2013 21: 11 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Syrians really need a "Terminator",

      Syria needs to change the tactics of using tanks. The tank in the urban environment is a ready target, but if you try to use it in pairs! tank + shilka, tank + terminator, then it’s possible to more efficiently use the capabilities of machines. Using the maneuver and firepower of cars.
  3. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 25 March 2013 08: 17 New
    +3
    Very happy, a solution was found, cheap and cheerful. The main thing is a positive result!
    1. vilenich
      vilenich 25 March 2013 08: 57 New
      +2
      Interestingly, how can the side screen (without dynamic protection units even more so) protect against tandem ammunition?
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 25 March 2013 09: 12 New
        0
        like, yes, just like a rubber-fabric screen, it’s just that at some distance from the side all the protection will also tear, but these screens will not come off under their own weight like rubber-fabric, and the protection is still a little better, especially in In view of the fact that the Anglo-Saxons began to shove Terram armored vehicles, while without weapons, but who knows, weapons can be used for other vehicles through other channels.
        1. vilenich
          vilenich 25 March 2013 12: 55 New
          0
          Quote: cth; fyn
          like how, yes, just like a rubber-fabric screen, it’ll just explode at some distance from the side

          It will save from RPG-7, but it’s unlikely from tandem ammunition, for that it’s also tandem, even judging by the definition of Wiki:
          "Tandem ammunition - the design of the striking element of a firearm, in which the projectile consists of two charges placed in series. The charge placed in the head is called the leading, and in the tail - the main.

          When it hits the target, the leading charge detonates first, ensuring penetration of the upper (external) layer of the target’s defense (in particular, the activation of dynamic protection). The main charge ensures the defeat of the deep layers of armor and the direct destruction of equipment. "
      2. tun1313
        tun1313 25 March 2013 09: 43 New
        +1
        As far as I remember the theory in tandem ammunition, the first to overcome the dynamic protection of the second to form a cumulative jet, in theory the first part is triggered on the screen and the second jet goes nowhere, and then how lucky.
  4. BARKAS
    BARKAS 25 March 2013 08: 21 New
    +2
    If you don’t put the tanks in Syria, then at least it’s possible to develop and deliver the Syria’s mounted defense repair kit to quickly make and help people.
    1. hrych
      hrych 25 March 2013 17: 54 New
      +5
      The head must be replaced by the Arabs.
    2. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 26 March 2013 17: 08 New
      +1
      Better opposition boiled cartridges to steam repeat
  5. Hammer
    Hammer 25 March 2013 08: 22 New
    +8
    Well, glory to Alahu, the Syrian generals began to reach the point that the soldier should be protected. That no money is worth a soldier’s life. And that an extra pound invested in the safety and security of the Syrian soldier will return with dozens and hundreds of saved folk money. )))))))))))
    Good news. God help them.
    Here, our generals would have learned ahead of time (i.e. before the war) to learn how to protect our soldier. They wouldn’t have a price ....
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 25 March 2013 09: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Hammer
      Well, glory to Alahu

      I do not know your religion, in any case, a plus. This is the answer to all who mix faith and its goals.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 25 March 2013 09: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Hammer
        Well, glory to Alahu,

        Quote: VadimSt
        I do not know your religion, in any case, a plus. This is the answer to all who mix faith and its goals.

        God is one (!) And only Wahhabis deny this, declaring war on the infidels ...
        And not only the Gentiles become unfaithful, but Muslims as well.

        Damn it, in a word ...
        1. Hammer
          Hammer 25 March 2013 10: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Tartary

          Damn it, in a word ...


          I would say demons ...
      2. Hammer
        Hammer 25 March 2013 10: 11 New
        +9
        Quote: VadimSt
        I do not know your religion, in any case, a plus. This is the answer to all who mix faith and its goals.


        In general, I am Orthodox, but I am ready to offer mantra to the glory of Allah, if this helps save at least one person's life. But as Tartary correctly noted, God is one. And even the great priests of traditional Islam and not only Islam recognize this.
        And what difference does it make in whom a person believes or how to pray, if this faith and prayer for life and creation ... I think somehow.
        1. Gari
          Gari 25 March 2013 22: 59 New
          +1
          In Yabrud, a suburb of Damascus, a dispute broke out between two groups of terrorists over the division of money and weapons that they received from abroad.
          An official source told SANA that a fight had begun in the lair of the militants, as a result of which their shelter itself was destroyed with all the weapons and ammunition inside.
          The source emphasized that all the terrorists inside the shelter were killed or injured, noting that the terrorist Khaitam Madhannah was among those killed.
          They are not Muslims or Christians; they are Inhumans
  6. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 25 March 2013 08: 32 New
    +6
    Designers must be sent periodically to hot spots to verify the effectiveness of the equipment produced.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 March 2013 09: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Black Colonel
      Designers must be sent periodically to hot spots to verify the effectiveness of the equipment produced.


      Designers and builders of bridges stand under their offspring, loaded during acceptance tests. And the designers of armored vehicles, when testing their offspring, it would be useful to periodically descend from heaven to sinful earth.
  7. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 25 March 2013 08: 45 New
    +1
    handicraft. but for Syria apparently enough
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 March 2013 09: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Ragnarek
      handicraft. but for Syria apparently enough


      Automated stores wound with electrical tape, mounted on the BTR AGS tower, or during the Second World War, logs and sandbags on the SU-76 anti-saber armor, etc., this is also handicraft, or military ingenuity, as you are closer, does not change the essence.
      Once upon a time, I came across a little booklet in which there were given examples of such scruffy times of the Second World War, and very effective by the way.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 25 March 2013 10: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        handicraft.


        In war, all means are good.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 25 March 2013 10: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Vanek
          Quote: Hudo
          handicraft.


          In war, all means are good.


          And the most effective of these means is a head that can quickly think, hands that can materialize the imagined, and the will to win.
  8. Sasha
    Sasha 25 March 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    Well done soldiers! A reliable army among the Syrian people.
  9. erased
    erased 25 March 2013 08: 53 New
    +1
    Designers seem to play on the side of the enemy. Otherwise, why do not they correct the errors?
    1. mamba
      mamba 25 March 2013 09: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: erased
      designers play on the side of the enemy. Otherwise, why do not they correct the errors?

      Apparently, none of the PP sets such a task for them and does not allocate money to develop a new protection option. And the initiative, and even at its own expense, has always been punishable with us.
      If this problem has already been solved by the designers, then the implementation may be inhibited by the lack of money for the modernization of the existing tank fleet. But this is a question for the prime minister.
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 25 March 2013 09: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      Designers seem to play on the side of the enemy. Otherwise, why do not they correct the errors?


      Because, by analogy with the bridge builders, standing under the bridge during the tests, are not inside the armored object in battle.
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 March 2013 09: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: erased
    Designers seem to play on the side of the enemy. Otherwise, why do not they correct the errors?

    People were different! The designer of the T-34, Mikhail Ilyich Koshkin, in order to introduce the tank to the Government and prove its qualities, in 1940 was “on its own” from Kharkov to Moscow as part of the crew.
  11. Professor
    Professor 25 March 2013 09: 43 New
    -3
    So the other day in this area, the T-72AV tank with new side screens was shot on video.

    If the Americans keep their word and supply the rebels with modern weapons, including the Javelins, which side screens will not help. Javelin hits from above.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 25 March 2013 09: 57 New
      +8
      Quote: Professor
      and supply the rebels with modern weapons, including the Javelins, which side screens will not help. Javelin hits from above.


      Yeah, let them not forget to learn from which hole the rocket flies. We need trophies. Professor is getting old. hi
      1. Professor
        Professor 25 March 2013 17: 17 New
        +2
        Yeah, let them not forget to learn from which hole the rocket flies.

        There, the arrow indicates the direction of fire. laughing
        Really GRU did not lay his hand on this? wink
  12. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 March 2013 09: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    If the Americans keep their word and supply the rebels with modern weapons

    I think that for Russia, China and Iran, hands will automatically be "untied" for the supply of Syrian weapons of any nature and purpose!
    1. Mozart
      Mozart 25 March 2013 10: 06 New
      0
      And how will our weapons get there? We drove air defense parts on the plane - screwed up, the Turks planted. Helicopters drove by sea - screwed up, deployed transport to the port of departure. Okay, we’ll get to Tartus with warships. What's next? Nothing will reach Assad, all the highways are already blocked by militants.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 25 March 2013 10: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: VadimSt
      Quote: Professor
      If the Americans keep their word and supply the rebels with modern weapons

      I think that for Russia, China and Iran, hands will automatically be "untied" for the supply of Syrian weapons of any nature and purpose!


      Americans are not so dumb to give us a javelin.
    3. nnkfrschk
      nnkfrschk 25 March 2013 11: 01 New
      +1
      ... "will automatically be" untied hands "on the supply of arms to Syria" - and not only Syria ... What prevents Russia from recognizing the Navajo Indians as the only legitimate representatives of the United States, or who in the United States recently wanted to secede? And supply them with appropriate weapons. What, does that violate international standards? Are these the same ones that the US is also violating regarding Syria? Violates US laws? And what does Russia care about US laws? Or, okay - not the United States, but, say, Turkey or Israel - openly anti-Syrian countries. Did someone say that the RPG-32 would be ineffective against the Merkav protected by Vetrovka? That would not hurt to check.
      1. Professor
        Professor 25 March 2013 17: 19 New
        -1
        Did someone say that the RPG-32 would be ineffective against the Merkav protected by Vetrovka? That would not hurt to check.

        I apologize for the offtopic, but where are you going to check?
        1. Suvorov000
          Suvorov000 26 March 2013 13: 38 New
          +3
          A gracious friend is on you, you are not selling Merkava to anyone, and the abrams from a simple RPG-7 understands, so you)
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 March 2013 14: 13 New
            -5
            You are welcome, grab slippers, white. laughing
            1. I think so
              I think so 26 March 2013 21: 42 New
              0
              Wait already for the pakum suitcases, buy places in cemeteries and coffins ...
            2. Suvorov000
              Suvorov000 27 March 2013 15: 38 New
              +1
              And you do not have enough of your own, well, well, you discard the size, send
  13. zvereok
    zvereok 25 March 2013 10: 16 New
    +3
    In recent months, Syrian mechanized units operating in the Daraya area have developed effective tactics for sharing their T-72AB tanks and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles.

    Tactics are really effective. If only because our guys in Chechnya used it.
  14. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 25 March 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    Hmm, recalled the footage of the assault on Berlin, where sandbags and shell beds were used as anti-cumulative screens.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 March 2013 10: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Hmm, recalled the footage of the assault on Berlin, where sandbags and shell beds were used as anti-cumulative screens.

      If you want to live, learn how to spin. ("Only" old people ", Skvortsov are going into battle).
  15. zvereok
    zvereok 25 March 2013 10: 44 New
    0
    Some howls began about Assad’s death last Saturday. Version three - duck (medium probability). On Saturday, the father of Bashar al-Assad died (according to reports from heart failure) a high probability. Bashar al-Assad himself died and Iran is trying to take control of the army into its own hands (low probability). We are waiting for confirmation or denial.

    "Jerusalem, Israel --- March 24, 2013 ... Russian media sources have confirmed that Syria President Bashar Assad was shot by an Iranian bodyguard Saturday night.

    "The lone assassination pumped several bullets at point blank range into Assad," said the source. "Assad was rushed to Al-Shami Hospital in Damascus in critical condition. He died on the operating table from heart failure resulting from massive blood loss." "

    It seems like a refutation:
    http://russian.rt.com/Middle_East/6219
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 25 March 2013 11: 38 New
      +2
      Apparently a duck, designed to undermine the morality of Syrian soldiers, against the background of bandits penetrating the Jordanian border. Assad's father died in the year 2000.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 25 March 2013 12: 06 New
        +1
        Funny kolinkor))): 25 March 2013 The commander of the so-called Syrian Free Army (SSA) Riyad al-Asaad was seriously wounded during an attempted assassination attempt.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 25 March 2013 12: 36 New
      -2
      Perhaps he is alive, but they do not want to admit the fact of the attempt.
  16. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 25 March 2013 10: 52 New
    +2
    Finally, it’s hard to watch the video where the Syrian tankers die. They are called suicide bombers. And I believe that the real heroes.
    1. Explore
      Explore 26 March 2013 22: 06 New
      0
      Suicide bombers are probably called for a reason.
      And because of the improper use of funds by higher commanders!
      As an example: the storming of Grozny in 1995 and 2000. Feel the difference ...
  17. SHOGUN
    SHOGUN 25 March 2013 11: 19 New
    +4
    Oh shy! This is a must see! T72 steers!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfKT9NCrTc
  18. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 25 March 2013 11: 29 New
    +2
    Well done Syrians !!! In difficult conditions, they are patching up their tanks, trying to somehow upgrade. They still have to close the machine gun on the tower with shields. From snipers. Good luck in battles with evil spirits.
  19. Nayhas
    Nayhas 25 March 2013 11: 58 New
    -1
    ... They hung a regular sheet of iron, such a screen will help ... Against RPG-7, it is possible against the tandem warhead in general. And it aroused the admiration of the commentators above! We will glorify the "genius" of the Syrian gunsmiths who discovered "America" ​​for a long time forgotten by everyone ... Moreover, lattice screens have been known as the most effective protection against RPG grenades for twenty years, everyone who came across the "partisans" has been successfully using them for a long time, steel strips welded in the form of a long lattice, for the average welder, half a day of work on one tank ...
  20. rennim
    rennim 25 March 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    It seems to me in the photo and video that a box is welded from sheets of steel (i.e. a double wall to the main armor) rigidly fixed on board the tank and covered with soil ...
  21. zvereok
    zvereok 25 March 2013 12: 22 New
    -1
    “I’m not a puppet of the West to go somewhere. I am a Syrian, born in Syria, must live in Syria and die in Syria,” Berezovsky told David Cameron))))
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 25 March 2013 13: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: zvereok
      born in Syria, must live in Syria and die in Syria, "Berezovsky told David Cameron))))

      ?????????? What was it??? negative
  22. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 25 March 2013 13: 11 New
    +2
    We wouldn’t have sat all sorts of Serdyukovs in the Ministry of Defense, on our machines there would be excellent protection.
  23. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 25 March 2013 13: 30 New
    0
    Keep it up. Well done guys, without any coven there did what their tank would save. And they did it right.
  24. loki565
    loki565 25 March 2013 14: 18 New
    +8
    They gave the terraces a tank, but they didn’t teach them how to use it, and here’s what came of it

    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 March 2013 17: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: loki565
      They gave the terraces a tank, but they didn’t teach them how to use it, and here’s what came of it


      I understand that as soon as the board was framed, they immediately got there. In general, just enchanting dolby. fool fool fool
      1. loki565
        loki565 25 March 2013 22: 40 New
        +3
        Yeah, and the campaign is not the first time, they noticed a rag on the other side of the hole.
        1. mejik
          mejik 26 March 2013 17: 16 New
          +2
          it's not a rag. it is sewn up from splinters winked
    2. Llirik
      Llirik 26 March 2013 10: 47 New
      +1
      If there were more such masterpieces of warriors by these po_s_r_an_s, you would look and kill everyone faster
    3. Proud.
      Proud. 26 March 2013 12: 39 New
      +1
      “Ah! Ahhh!” The terrorist “tanker” shouts to his accomplices.
    4. Suvorov000
      Suvorov000 26 March 2013 13: 43 New
      +1
      Damn yelling like women in the bazaar, and when they got on board, they generally crap farther than they see with a squeal
    5. Explore
      Explore 26 March 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      Tell me how to put the video.
      Allow only the link.
  25. Dreiker
    Dreiker 25 March 2013 14: 46 New
    0
    Did I just notice this?

    here's another

    By the way, I remembered here such a Ukrainian side screen

    Ukrainian colleagues clearly outdid Syrian fellow
  26. Dreiker
    Dreiker 25 March 2013 14: 47 New
    0
    Did I just notice this?

    here's another

    By the way, I remembered here such a Ukrainian side screen

    Ukrainian colleagues clearly outdid Syrian fellow
    1. Mikhado
      Mikhado 25 March 2013 15: 28 New
      +3
      Yes, right now, twice Ukrainian.
      This is a Russian development, I can be mistaken only for a specific design bureau, but it seems to be Steel Research Institute. I have never seen a BMP-3 in Ukraine.
      And why did you trace the specks, do not explain?
      1. Dreiker
        Dreiker 25 March 2013 16: 29 New
        +1
        Well, although you're right, I overlooked.
  27. fero
    fero 25 March 2013 19: 45 New
    0
    It seems to me that these boxes on the sides of the Syrians are filled with ordinary sand. Although I don’t know how well bulk materials destroy the cumulative stream of ammunition.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 26 March 2013 20: 14 New
      0
      Quote: fero
      It seems to me that these boxes on the sides of the Syrians are filled with ordinary sand. Although I don’t know how well bulk materials destroy the cumulative stream of ammunition.


      Hmm, any loose medium. due to its heterogeneity (well, no one sifts the soil), it will destroy the cumulative stream, and I believe that it is quite effective. The question is, on a different plane - how much does it weigh?
  28. vovanrusich
    vovanrusich 26 March 2013 12: 22 New
    0
    But after all, Oplot was issued in the amount of several pieces.
  29. Flanker717
    Flanker717 26 March 2013 14: 22 New
    0
    You can look in more detail here with the comments of the reporter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0hD6T6Ke5E
  30. Flanker717
    Flanker717 26 March 2013 14: 24 New
    +3
    You can look in more detail here with the comments of the reporter.
    1. Mikhado
      Mikhado 26 March 2013 18: 55 New
      0
      Of course, I’m not special, but, in my opinion, knowing the DZ operation scheme, its effectiveness was reduced by this rubbish. If it’s something of a passive type, then FOR DZ, and not in front of it.
  31. Alexey M
    Alexey M 26 March 2013 15: 38 New
    +2
    Tank in an empty city without infantry support? The meaning of such a ride? no
    1. hollger
      hollger 26 March 2013 19: 23 New
      +1
      I agree completely, this video is not the last ... in a group of three 72s, they went to the square without an infantry support and saw directly from the RPG looking at the camera on board and detonated the BC ... the overkill tower. Very sorry for the guys.
      1. Explore
        Explore 26 March 2013 22: 11 New
        +2
        Where, our military advisers? Why didn’t they explain to the Syrians the kindergarten truth that the tank is not a lonely city killer of everyone and everything, but still a mobile heavily armored fire support facility for infantry.
        1. hrych
          hrych 26 March 2013 23: 45 New
          +2
          A colleague, theirs generals, graduated from our academies, so they probably explained it there, to the two-man team. Here are our soldiers in 41 if only had an RPG and then having hand grenades and anti-tank rifles successfully fought with enemy tanks. Although you hang a bunch of layers of armor, gratings, etc. on the tank (they say Abrams’s forehead is a meter of composite armor), it’s not necessary to blow up the tank, it’s enough to disable it, which is what our wonderful heroes did at 41 and did it by hitting rollers and tracks.
  32. family
    family tree 26 March 2013 16: 14 New
    +3
    Here is another diagram of the side screens. Well, yes, the cans, they are the most, Sweden, done wisely laughingStridsvagn 103
    1. Mikhado
      Mikhado 26 March 2013 18: 58 New
      0
      And containers with DZ are anyway more effective. These canisters appeared at least in the 70s, when no-one had serial DZs.
    2. pinachet
      pinachet 27 March 2013 00: 41 New
      0
      a tank with such an arrangement against the partisans is suicide. it will be killed from the flank from the dshk. and the tower does not spin.
  33. audentes
    audentes 26 March 2013 16: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: nakaz
    Probably just saving the budget. Surely, with a serious threat, a set of dynamic and active defenses will be quickly hung even on a bare tank.
    You think ?! I doubt that with a serious threat they will remember about it as often as I remember about the duty of the Masombic
  34. zinander
    zinander 26 March 2013 17: 09 New
    0
    [quote = Lord of the Sith]SSA commander Riad al-Assad seriously injured



    The commander of the Syrian Free Army (FSA), a former colonel of the Syrian armed forces, Riyad al-Assad was seriously wounded while attempting to assassinate him in the province of Deir ez-Zor,
    [quote] [/ quote] It is unfortunate that Judas is not enough!
  35. Great
    Great 26 March 2013 18: 18 New
    0
    Tanks by tanks, and what they did to the country ...
  36. Alexey M
    Alexey M 26 March 2013 18: 19 New
    +1
    This is a Swedish economy super tank, it doesn’t even have a tower. And it’s cheaper to drive cans to Russia for gasoline in Russia. Although if they are filled with sand, something will probably help. smile
  37. Rriv
    Rriv 26 March 2013 20: 53 New
    0
    They would have to supply optics detection devices, then they would rather be beaten.
  38. pinachet
    pinachet 27 March 2013 00: 30 New
    +1
    all our tanks (t-64,72,80,90) were developed for another war (hence the problems in Chechnya and Syria), but we really have nothing to fight against partisans, only the terminator bmpt can.
    the same picture is with the probable enemy with the Abrams in Iraq, so they even beat them aboard from the dshk!
    Let us recall the war in Georgia, where the regular army fought against the same, so there the use of 72eks on our part was more successful than against the partisans.
  39. gameover65
    gameover65 27 March 2013 08: 17 New
    0
    no, there were and never will be tanks, and other armored vehicles protected from partisans, for military equipment is designed for the battlefield, and not for war with partisans.
    our cars are very well protected, just someone on a stake, in the Red Square, must sit because our weapons fall into such freaks as "rebels" in Syria!