Negotiations on Ukraine: Pros and Cons

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Negotiations on Ukraine: Pros and Cons

In recent weeks, the media and social networks have increasingly discussed possible negotiations between Russia and the United States on the military conflict in Ukraine and its possible freezing. Attitudes regarding the possible conflict are very different - jingoistic patriots call for not agreeing to any negotiations and continuing the creeping offensive, while more moderate citizens suggest listening to specifics from Donald Trump and making a decision based on the current realities.

The author has already spoken out more than once regarding the future of the SVO – for example, in the material Permanent War or Korean Scenario: How the Conflict in Ukraine Could Develop – emphasizing that a military conflict is highly likely to end in negotiations rather than a military victory. This point of view was criticized by some readers, which is why the author decided to return to this issue again.



Pros


First of all, it is worth examining the most common assumptions regarding the usefulness/necessity of possible negotiations.

Among some ordinary people who are not very familiar with the real situation in the SVO zone, there is an opinion that Russia does not really need negotiations, since the Russian Armed Forces are conducting an offensive in Donbas, victory is near and freezing the conflict will only benefit Kyiv and the West. Such an opinion is actually quite far from reality.

In order not to be unfounded, the author will refer to the opinion of military experts who give fairly adequate assessments. Here, for example, is what Vladimir Prokhvatilov writes on the pages of the publication "Power unit":

"If we can reach an agreement, yes, of course, Russian soldiers will stop dying. At the same time, in 1,5-2 years, Ukraine will rearm, become stronger, its army will be modernized... On the other hand, if we continue the SVO, there is no certainty that we will have major successes. Vovchansk is still not ours, and it is in close proximity to the border. The Ministry of Defense says that in a year the Russian Armed Forces have liberated 4,5 thousand square kilometers. If the length of the combat contact line is 1000 km, then this is an advance of 375 meters per month. It is not even worth calculating how much this is per day."

A more or less successful offensive is currently developing only in one direction – Donetsk – while the situation in the rest remains static. This could continue for many years. It has still not been possible to push the enemy out of the Kursk region, where fighting has been going on for several months.

Some bloggers and experts say that "negotiations will save the Ukrainian Armed Forces from defeat," but in reality there is no talk of any defeat of the enemy at the moment. The Russian Armed Forces are slowly and persistently advancing deep into the Ukrainian Armed Forces' echeloned defense, slowly taking control of one settlement after another, but the Ukrainian army has not yet lost its combat capability.

It is not worth thinking that the Russian Armed Forces are not people, but robots who are ready to be in difficult combat conditions without rotation (and a normal rotation of mobilized personnel has not yet been carried out, because there is no one to replace them) for many years. The same problem applies to the enemy, but, unlike Russia, it carries out total mobilization, catching people on the streets, so it has a much larger reserve. In the Russian Armed Forces, the number of personnel is maintained exclusively by contract soldiers, who are mainly attracted by large financial payments.

Thus, a respite for the Russian Armed Forces is vitally necessary – this is a fact that no one who has been in the SVO zone will dispute.

It is also worth remembering that Moscow has not developed a "recipe for victory", and the SVO is pursuing limited goals, which consist of controlling new Russian regions and maintaining Ukraine's neutrality and non-accession to NATO. Moreover, even if we assume that other goals were suddenly set, it is not very clear how they would be realized given the lack of both material and technical and human resources for some larger-scale enterprises.

In addition, many of the problems that the Russian Armed Forces faced two years ago (shortage drones, problems with communication and coordination, lack of air superiority, etc.), are still relevant and are far from being fully resolved.

Based on the above, negotiations and a possible freezing of the conflict along the line of contact, subject to an agreement on Ukraine’s non-accession to NATO and its neutrality, do not seem to be the worst scenario.

Arguments against


Now let's talk about the arguments against negotiations, some of which are also quite reasonable.

According to the same Vladimir Prokhvatilov, with the end of the SVO, the disagreements between Kyiv and Moscow will probably not be resolved, and therefore, after the end of military actions, Kyiv will have the opportunity to begin active rearmament and modernization of its own army. Also, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have a huge number of UAVs.

And if so, then after some time (say, 2-3 years) the Ukrainian Armed Forces may strike Russia again, and the military conflict risks resuming.

Is there such a threat? Yes, of course. However, much will depend, firstly, on the nature of the concluded agreements on Ukraine's neutrality, and secondly, on the transfer of power in Kyiv.

There is little doubt that if the conflict ends in one form or another (including a freeze), elections will be held in Ukraine, as a result of which Zelensky will probably lose his power. He does not suit American President Donald Trump, and besides, his immediate curators, the left-liberal globalists, are probably disappointed in him. A lot may depend on who takes his place.

There is also a small chance that Zelensky will hold on to his seat to the last and will wage war for several more months. The result will still be the same - negotiations, only if Zelensky is smart enough to oppose Trump's plan, someone else will conduct them (a forceful option to remove him in this case is quite possible).

The new leader of Ukraine, of course, will not be pro-Russian, but he can be either pro-Trump or pro-British. The second option is less favorable for Russia, which will increase the risks of a renewed conflict. However, these risks should not be exaggerated. Ukrainian society is very tired of the war, and the country has lost a lot of soldiers and young people, and there is simply no one to compensate for these losses, given the catastrophic demographic situation. Therefore, in the coming years, hardly anyone will think about a new war.

Conclusion


In conclusion, the author would like to emphasize that, given the current realities, the “war to a victorious end,” which some jingoistic patriots are talking about, is fraught with the possibility of becoming permanent, since, firstly, the precise outlines of that very victorious end are unclear, and secondly, there are not enough resources to set larger-scale tasks.

Therefore, negotiations that would secure control over new territories and ensure Ukraine's neutrality, and perhaps a partial reduction in its weapons, given the realities on the ground, do not seem like the worst scenario.
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  1. -2
    26 January 2025 05: 29
    In conclusion, the author would like to emphasize that, given the current realities, the “war to a victorious end,” which some jingoistic patriots are talking about, is fraught with the possibility of becoming permanent, since, firstly, the precise outlines of that very victorious end are unclear, and secondly, there are not enough resources to set larger-scale tasks.

    Gather all these "patriots" - and go to LBS. Let them show by their actions and personal example how to fight until complete victory.
    1. +16
      26 January 2025 07: 44
      The guard-patriots (disguised hut-scratchers) prefer to wait until the problem resolves itself. Where were the KGB-FSB-SVR for 30 years, having only regained their sight after burning people? Why has the outskirts boil not resolved for three years? The experience of the KGB and legal education are not enough.
      The trouble continues because the real reasons are not being eliminated. These reasons are at the biological level – the integrity of the population must be protected by any means! The author of “Bless America” planted a mine, the problem was disguised in a political wrapper – self-mutilation was hidden under “independence”. Idiocy – according to international law, the Russian Federation is now an aggressor – is not being eliminated. The denunciation of Belovezhskaya (on Ukraine) is mandatory, this is what we should have started with. And today, alas, we are in a trap. Not war, but peacetime – this is universal cowardice.
      1. +14
        26 January 2025 09: 45
        Quote: Alexander Ra
        The author of “Bless America” planted a mine, the problem was disguised in a political wrapper – self-mutilation was hidden under “independence”.

        His successor, appointed by him, built the Yeltsin Center... and continued, with minor variations, all the same.
        Or is there some difference?
        Quote: Alexander Ra
        The trouble continues because the real causes are not eliminated. These causes are at the biological level - the integrity of the population must be protected by any means!

        Bringing in migrants? Does it help solve the problem?
        This decision (regarding migrants) seems to come from the very top?
        1. -11
          26 January 2025 09: 57
          Migrants are other populations-peoples, we are not talking about them. What is happening in Ukraine is the fault and responsibility, first of all, of the Russian people. Look around, there is expansion all around, and we are a bundle.
          1. +29
            26 January 2025 10: 18
            Actually, if we're talking about the Russian people, try to remember 2014.
            The Russian people in Donbass, in Russia, and even in Kharkov (there were many Russians and pro-Russians there) - asked - Putin, send troops! (to Donbass).
            No, instead, the Minsk agreements tried for 8 long years to push the rebellious Donbass back into Ukraine, in the form of some kind of autonomy.
            The beginning of the SVO - the Russian people were not asked about anything. But they supported.
            And then it began - begging for negotiations, regrouping, gestures of goodwill, indestructible bridges across the Dnieper and other means of communication, the forbidden Bankovskaya and so on.
            Is the Russian people to blame again?
            1. -26
              26 January 2025 11: 20
              I wrote, I write, and I will write to turbopatriots. Regarding Donbass, Mariupol, and Kharkov in 2014, answer two questions.
              1. Crimean sanctions of 2014. If they had been extended to all of Russia, would we have endured them?
              2. Sanctions of 2022 and beyond everywhere. Would we have survived them in 2014?
              My answer is NO. In 2014 we did not have our own sovereign independent financial system. Our entire economy after these sanctions... well, it would not have collapsed, but the problems would have been VERY serious, and we would have probably had to bow down.
              A "march of empty wallets" is quite possible - "Give us money to buy food!!!", while those marching actually have money, they just can't get to it
              We don't know what happened there, what negotiations, what conditions and ultimatums were set. More precisely, we will find out in 50 years when the documents are revealed, but I won't live to see that :(
              1. +14
                26 January 2025 13: 48
                Quote: Not the fighter
                1. Crimean sanctions of 2014. If they had been extended to all of Russia, would we have endured them?
                2. Sanctions of 2022 and beyond everywhere. Would we have survived them in 2014?

                We would have survived.
                Over these years, no “import substitution” has taken place – in the true sense, i.e., our own production.
                And over these 8 years, many of the existing production facilities... were killed - the trend confidently continued.
                And, what’s much worse, the army has been turned into a “ceremonial-biathlon” one over these 8 years.
                1. 0
                  26 January 2025 13: 54
                  After the start of the SVO, Visa and MasterCard ran away from us in a moment, and in February 2022 they accounted for 75% of transactions, and this was after all public sector employees and pensioners were kicked into Mir. In fact, of the alternative card systems, we only had Tinkoff, citizen of the world Tinkov. Further, am I the only one who remembers how they perverted through tenge when making payments in 2022? Now imagine that you buy bread at the nearest store for tenge and the price is also indicated in tenge.
                  Next, interbank. In 2014, our banks lived on Swift, there was no other alternative. We were disconnected from Swift with a slight movement of the hand.
                  And about Crimea... Has Sberbank headed by Gref already entered there? And is Russian Railways also officially present there and not through its subsidiary? Why don't these companies enter Crimea under their own flag?
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                  2. 0
                    27 January 2025 14: 37
                    And about Crimea... Has Sberbank headed by Gref already entered there? And is Russian Railways also officially present there and not its own subsidiary?

                    "Sberbank" has officially been operating in Crimea and Sevastopol since 2023. https://www.sberbank.com/ru/oib?tab=vsp
                    The operator of passenger rail transportation to Crimea is JSC TC Grand Service Express, which is not a subsidiary of Russian Railways.
                    1. +1
                      27 January 2025 16: 04
                      You are right. Sberbank entered Crimea when it became clear that all pots had been broken and there was no way back (and not in 2022, and especially not in 2014!!!), and the railway company is a left-wing company that is not connected with Russian Railways in any way.
                      That is, Crimea was included in the financial contour of Russia in 2023, but the railway is still a separate village.
                      1. +2
                        27 January 2025 23: 08
                        Sberbank in the center of Prague had a bank with the lowest interest rate by the way... and almost half of Sberbank was owned by the British and Americans... what Crimea?
                  3. +2
                    29 January 2025 12: 32
                    And who put us on this SWIFT, on foreign planes and so on? Who invested budget funds in foreign securities? We need to find the root of the problem.
            2. +26
              26 January 2025 12: 31
              If I'm not mistaken, at the start of the ATO, Ukraine was only able to muster 3000-4000 soldiers for combat operations, so at that time it was possible to actually reach Kyiv in 3 days, but instead, all sorts of NOD members were showing videos on the Internet saying "support the presidential decision not to send troops to Ukraine, since it is beneficial to the USA." Well, 8 years have passed, the Kiev regime has cleaned out all pro-Russian forces, built fortifications, received Western weapons to the fullest extent and brought its armed forces up to several hundred thousand soldiers...
              1. +9
                26 January 2025 12: 52
                Judging by what was publicly available, the SVO was originally conceived as a "palace coup". Our paratroopers would land in Gostomel, quickly enter Kyiv, quickly capture key points, quickly gather a quorum of the Rada, which would quickly make the necessary decisions. Quickly, in a week, we will change power. If everything is done quickly and without bloodshed, the "world community" will swallow it. But for some reason it "didn't take off", and we have what we have.
                As for the columns, how will you supply them? Switch to forage?
                Amateurs study tactics, specialists study strategy, and professionals study logistics.
                1. +2
                  26 January 2025 13: 52
                  It turns out that the supreme power, in the fight for the "stability of the seat", not only "brought order" to the Armed Forces, but also to intelligence and counterintelligence?
              2. 0
                29 January 2025 12: 36
                They probably meant not to introduce them at all. It is logical that after a military invasion abroad, sanctions would follow, at the very least.
            3. +2
              28 January 2025 02: 39
              Quote: Vladimir-TTT
              Is the Russian people to blame again?

              Well, who else! Putin personally returned Crimea. And Shoigu, who received the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called for this in April 2014. This is a great victory and achievement of these people. And the problems of the SVO are not their fault, they have nothing to do with it and in general - try it yourself! Of course, no one will be allowed to take their place from the trenches.
          2. Fy;
            +37
            26 January 2025 10: 55
            How convenient it is to shift responsibility onto the Russian people - who have no real power in Russia - and not onto the Russian authorities!
            I beg your pardon - is it the authorities or the people who, in all three decades since the collapse of the USSR, have not simplified the process of obtaining Russian citizenship for Russians at all and have not even included in the country's Constitution a direct mention that it is the Russian people who form the state?

            And was it the Russian people who dissuaded Yanukovych from dispersing the Maidan? And was it the Russian people, not Putin, who refused to help him disperse the Maidan?

            According to Putin, there are 25 million Russians left outside the Russian Federation. Is it the Russian people, or the authorities, who condoned the importation of 16 million aggressive Islamic Russophobic Asians into the Russian Federation instead of Russians?

            Perhaps it was the Russian people who handed over to Kazakhstan the Russian militiaman Yevgeny Shcherbak, who fought in Donbass for the Russians and the interests of Russia - or was it the Russian government that did this?
            1. -18
              26 January 2025 11: 41
              Didn't they include in the country's Constitution a direct mention that it is the Russian people who form the state?

              Article 68
              1. The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is Russian as a language state-forming people
              Article 3
              1. ... the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
              2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through state authorities and local government bodies.
              3. The highest direct expression of the power of the people is the referendum and free elections.

              It is convenient to shift responsibility onto the Russian people - who do not have real power in Russia - and not onto the Russian authorities!
              - don't you shift responsibility to the authorities?
              The people have power, but when they use it, it will mean that they are organized - by definition. For now, the people are disorganized.
              1. Fy;
                +13
                26 January 2025 12: 47
                Article 68
                1. The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is the Russian language as the language of the state-forming people.
                - where is there a direct mention of Russians?

                The people have power
                - you have a mistake in the last word, it was correct to write "The people have power". You don't have to quote the Constitution to me, it has long been observed only when the authorities need it, but not when the people need it.
            2. +16
              26 January 2025 12: 33
              And for some it’s always like this, someone is to blame (the West, the Jews, Ukrainians, the Russian people themselves), but not our most illustrious leaders
          3. +15
            26 January 2025 13: 14
            Quote: Alexander Ra
            What is happening in Ukraine is the fault and responsibility, first and foremost, of the Russian people.

            What exactly is the Russians guilty of? Insufficient passionarity?
            Or maybe it is the fault of the ruling class, which merged with the oligarchy, which received its assets as a result of illegal privatization? And who dumped the "Russian Spring" purely for the sake of short-term commercial interests.
            1. -8
              26 January 2025 13: 33
              How much irony there is in the comments about the deception of the "top" by "partners"! Where is the irony about us, deceived by privatization, optimizations and other "reforms"?
              How many decades does it take to realize the need to not limit ourselves to throwing down pieces of paper with scribbles once every few years and waiting for a favor from a bureaucrat? Are we not like Pinocchio, burying coins?
              In remote villages, there are some remnants of self-organization - to dig a well, pastures, etc. together. We are civilized, if they call us again, we will come and throw a piece of paper. And... we think that with these few bits of information we create the necessary Way of Life...
              1. +8
                26 January 2025 13: 42
                Quote: Alexander Ra
                Where is the irony about ourselves, deceived by privatization, optimizations and other “reforms”?

                The victim of fraud is to blame for being deceived? Seriously?
                Then why does the state need specialized services?
                1. -12
                  26 January 2025 14: 04
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  The victim of fraud is to blame for being deceived? Seriously?

                  Of course. First, the idiots transfer the coffin money to a safe account of Ukrainian scammers, then they follow their orders to burn police cars, blow up ATMs and set off fireworks in shopping malls.
                  1. +11
                    26 January 2025 14: 14
                    Actually, if we talk about idiots, then at first they believed that the Soviet government was to blame for all the troubles and rushed headlong into the market with a human face, which turned out to be the face of capitalism.
                    Then they believed in rising from their knees.
                    Now. Now everything is fine. A bunch of laws have been passed. According to which even if you are unhappy with the weather, it is akin to terrorism.
                    1. -16
                      26 January 2025 14: 15
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      At first, they believed that the Soviet government was to blame for all the troubles and rushed headlong into the market with a human face, which turned out to be the face of capitalism.
                      Then they believed in rising from their knees.

                      There are two problems in Russia: fools and roads. If there is a solution to the second, then the Soviet government made the first worse.
            2. +7
              26 January 2025 18: 38
              Under capitalism, the ruling class is the capitalists! And the oligarchs are the top of the capitalists. How could they have merged with themselves? This is their power working in their interests. The president in a capitalist country is a representative of the interests of large capital, and ministers, deputies, etc. develop and pass laws in the interests of this large capital.
              1. +4
                26 January 2025 18: 57
                The big bourgeoisie, the big bureaucracy and the security forces have grown together so much that even the devil can’t figure out who is who.
            3. 0
              29 January 2025 12: 57
              Under capitalism, the government cannot help but merge with the oligarchy, especially when it does not change for a long time. I am not surprised that this Russian spring was not a spontaneous phenomenon, but was orchestrated by the country's leadership. I cannot believe that the LPR army was created by locals from locals from captured Ukrainian weapons and that they existed there on a voluntary basis. We believe that the Maidan was financed and organized not spontaneously, but with the Russian spring it is the opposite? It is one thing to organize a large protest action and an army is completely different.
        2. +1
          29 January 2025 10: 53
          The import of migrants is not a spontaneous phenomenon, it is a planned action according to the overseas methodology for replacing the indigenous population and developing "new" territories. In the same paradigm is the active concentration of the population in several megalopolises to liberate the country's territories. All this is carried out under the control of the "vertical" and with its approval, all of them are from the 90s, so it is difficult to expect progress in this matter.
      2. AMG
        -3
        26 January 2025 14: 09
        Your option? Suggest it.
        1. -6
          26 January 2025 14: 24
          Negotiations with a predator (USA) from the other end of the world (?!) is putting up for auction a part of your people and territory. It is senseless and immoral. The point is to return what was torn away with our connivance, no one will help from the outside.
          1. -1
            27 January 2025 23: 11
            Recently, people have been getting mercilessly downvoted for such thoughts. Tsipso works hard.
      3. +1
        26 January 2025 16: 06
        Quote: Alexander Ra
        The author of “Bless America” planted a mine

        I had a rather interesting story, after this statement by an alcoholic I met one conscious person and he told me on his vova something like Russians (he used the word with m in the original) grovel before America, and he said we are independent
      4. +2
        26 January 2025 20: 50
        The denunciation of Belovezhskaya (in Ukraine) is mandatory, we should have started with this

        If the conflict could not be avoided, then it was necessary to start with condemning the two previous rulers. Recognize the collapse of the USSR as illegal, and then all the neighbors as separatists. And quickly end this conflict. This would have given Europe at least a fig leaf, this is not a revision of borders, but a fight against separatists. How much of this was possible is another question.
        1. -3
          27 January 2025 23: 12
          It remains to explain this to Kazakhstan and other countries, Armenia and Georgia... I won't say anything about the fucked up Balts.
        2. +2
          30 January 2025 10: 18
          Recognize the collapse of the USSR as illegal, and then all the neighbors are like separatists.

          It won't work. The main separatist in this funny story was Russia. Although I agree that the disintegration of the country was illegal and it should be recognized at the official level. Only in legal terms at the international level it will not give anything. And in general, no one needs it now. The times are coming when truth is in might, and not might in truth.
          1. +1
            30 January 2025 13: 01
            There come times when truth is in might, and not might in truth.

            This is really so, or rather, times have always been like this. It’s just that the post-war years dragged on for us, and now a new redistribution is coming.
          2. 0
            1 February 2025 07: 16
            Although I agree that the collapse of the country was illegal and it should be recognized at the official level. Only in legal terms at the international level it will not give anything. And in general, no one needs it now.

            This will not give us anything, people with a short lifespan. The state is not only the interests of today, but also the interests of tomorrow and the history of yesterday. We must give an honest assessment, at least because the guilty will not be held accountable, at least for those who died because of the collapse. All conflicts in the post-Soviet space and all economic problems too.
            It’s just that the events of the early 20th century were never fully assessed and were shamefully swept under the carpet.
            Also, if we give an objective assessment, then the ultra-patriots might also have a sober vision.
    2. -11
      26 January 2025 08: 50
      Why only patriots? Doesn't the Kiev junta threaten non-patriots of Russia? We have 89 federal subjects. We need to mobilize like this: take 50 federal subjects, and let each form a division, infantry or tank, and a special forces regiment. Moscow, from its population, will provide 10 divisions. The regions provide people, build or select a base for accommodation and training, uniforms, food, and the federal level provides equipment and ammunition. A year for preparation, and in a year we will have 50 divisions. Some of them arrive at the front, are consolidated into corps, one tank division and two infantry. Some divisions remain in the rear for rotation. The corps go on the offensive. They reach the Dnieper, cross it and move on.
      Can Russia do all this? Of course, our president, the General Staff, our people, industry. We have everything, we just need to shake up the country a little, eliminate bureaucratic moments, everything that hinders us
      1. +3
        26 January 2025 09: 36
        Because these “patriots” are calling for an endless war, while they themselves are sitting it out, quite often in neighboring countries, like Georgia, Kazakhstan, where they “fled” from mobilization.
        1. -2
          26 January 2025 10: 25
          The borders for exit had to be closed, of course.
          1. +1
            26 January 2025 12: 12
            As Prigozhin's march and the absence of any hints of resistance (the Wagner PMC was warmly welcomed in Rostov-on-Don) showed, releasing the most active ones, capable of starting disintegration in the troops or mass desertion, was a completely reasonable step.
            1. +6
              26 January 2025 13: 42
              It was the Russian patriots who greeted us warmly - the real ones, not the "hurray" ones.
              I had the chance to stand in that traffic jam with which our authorities "defended" themselves from Prigozhin's march. They, the authorities, knew that he, Prigozhin, despite all his murky financial affairs, was a true patriot of Russia and would not "wet" the civilian population for his own immediate gains.
              And then suddenly I remember the Kursk region and the civilian population...
              1. -10
                26 January 2025 18: 10
                Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                It was the Russian patriots who greeted us warmly - the real ones, not the "hurray" ones.
                I had the chance to stand in that traffic jam with which our authorities "defended" themselves from Prigozhin's march. They, the authorities, knew that he, Prigozhin, despite all his murky financial affairs, was a true patriot of Russia and would not "wet" the civilian population for his own immediate gains.
                And then suddenly I remember the Kursk region and the civilian population...

                So the pilots killed by these scumbags, are they dust on their boots? The fact that they were greeted joyfully in Rostov, well, the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have greeted them just as joyfully there. It's a pity they didn't make it to Serpukhov, where the 45th Special Forces Brigade and flamethrower batteries were waiting for them. Utkin, although completely battered in the head, realized who he would have to deal with. This is not like chasing cops around Rostov. And he quickly disappeared. They should have been burned to cinders there.
            2. AMG
              -1
              26 January 2025 14: 34
              Aren't you afraid of losing the "active" ones?
          2. +1
            26 January 2025 12: 38
            Quote from gribanow.c
            The borders for exit had to be closed, of course.
            We would have had an uprising.
            1. AMG
              -2
              26 January 2025 14: 36
              From whom, from cowards? They can only run.
            2. -1
              26 January 2025 15: 04
              Whose rebellion? Relocators and those who are waiting for the West? Yes, there has already been a rebellion of such individuals. Remember Bolotnaya in 2012. In a soft version, it ended with Poklonnaya. But it could have gone the hard way. Something like the fall of 1993. Do you think the hipsters and those who are waiting won? Of course not. If a "rebellion" is possible, it is of those who believe that Putin has too little decisiveness and firmness, and excessive diplomacy and caution (although, personally, I understand the reasons for this caution and unhurriedness. I am not saying that I approve, but I understand).
              1. +2
                26 January 2025 17: 47
                Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
                Yes, there was already an uprising of such individuals. Remember Bolotnaya in 2012.
                And how many of them were there? Compare with the number of those who left.
                Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
                In a soft version it ended with Poklonnaya.
                And there would be no soft option: they have a choice - either they fight at the front or in Moscow. Guess what they would choose? It is not to shout against Putin, it is - either they destroy the government or the government destroys them. And, as Prigozhin's march showed, the government is not very good at protecting itself. So it was very right to let them go.
          3. +8
            26 January 2025 13: 37
            The SVO should have started not with Ukraine, but with Russia - first to establish order, the ideology of patriotism and the Russian world (real, not migrant) - 8 years were enough again? Or were they deceived?
          4. +1
            26 January 2025 16: 09
            Quote from gribanow.c
            The borders for exit had to be closed

            No, but the way back needs to be closed.
        2. +7
          26 January 2025 12: 42
          That's just how it happens when things get tough,
          Capital appeals to the nation –
          Celebrate, you jingoist on duty:
          Finally, mobilization!

          "Mobiliz-z-zation!" - buzzing like a wasp swarm,
          They pour out their brave cries
          Those who are not subject to conscription themselves
          Due to gender, health and age
          1. -3
            26 January 2025 15: 14
            Poetically - not bad. But in essence - "an owl on the globe". Very few people advocate mobilization. The overwhelming majority (not excluding those "who are not subject to conscription due to gender, health and age") believe that the existing opportunities are used very "gently" and "carefully".
      2. +6
        26 January 2025 09: 45
        Where do the people come from to form the divisions?
        1. +4
          26 January 2025 11: 46
          Does anyone know the real population figure in Russia?
          1. +1
            26 January 2025 12: 11
            Quote: Gardamir
            Does anyone know the real population figure in Russia?

            Some people know for sure. Others guess. But it is possible to roughly calculate. Statistics on births are known for the last 20 years, it is also known how many are called up for military service each year and there is data from the Russian Federation on the % of those fit for military service. If you add it all up, it turns out to be quite sad.
            1. +3
              26 January 2025 12: 43
              And who will work, if even now they complain that there is a shortage of workers, and that migrants are needed for this
          2. 0
            27 January 2025 00: 01
            Does anyone know the real population figure in Russia?

            Are you suggesting a new mobilization? I already said - this is a one-way street.
            1. 0
              27 January 2025 07: 04
              just the opposite. Perhaps there are so few people that there won't be enough for anything.
        2. +4
          26 January 2025 14: 39
          "Where do the people come from to form divisions?"
          50 divisions of 15 thousand each is 750 thousand, plus all the logistics supply chains, it comes out to more than a million, and everyone needs to be paid adequate salaries. I think our officials will not stand it, we need a clear mechanism for making and implementing decisions, and it is missing. We are waiting for negotiations and agreements, judging by the Kursk region, our prospects are far from brilliant.
      3. +3
        26 January 2025 09: 48
        Quote from gribanow.c
        We need to carry out mobilization like this: take 50 federal subjects, and let each form its own division, infantry or tank, and a special forces regiment.

        In your opinion, special forces appear after the corresponding entry in the military ID? We will form 50 special forces regiments in a year? You are completely out of the loop.. some kind of science fiction comment.. it would be funny, but you are not kidding..
        1. -6
          26 January 2025 09: 56
          Of course, you need to select based on health and abilities. If they undergo training every day from 8 to 8, they will master the basics in a year, then they will pass the exam in battle. After the first battle it will be clear who can be left, the rest in the infantry
          1. +7
            26 January 2025 10: 10
            Quote from gribanow.c
            Of course, you need to select based on health and abilities. If they undergo training every day from 8 to 8, they will master the basics in a year, then they will pass the exam in battle. After the first battle it will be clear who can be left, the rest in the infantry

            The USSR with its 250 million population and money had a dozen and a half special forces brigades, and you 50 in a year... by the way.. comrade pensioners (advocating for a mega-war), are you aware that during the Great Patriotic War they did not pay pensions? Are you ready to stop receiving pensions at all (completely 0) and go to work en masse "for very meager food" from morning to night, instead of those called up, after the general mobilization for victory to hide? I have vague doubts that only on the Internet..
            1. -10
              26 January 2025 10: 32
              This won't last long, three or four months, and Ukraine will be penetrated to the western border. Total, 1.4 years. Compare with the current pace.
              The tactics here are simple. Corps advance, break through the front, bypass cities, and in large battles encircle and destroy enemy units.
              The special forces enter the cities themselves, which are surrounded and cut off from supplies, which is what they are needed for. The special forces conduct intensive battles in urban areas, clear out and destroy entrenched enemies, and direct artillery and aircraft at strong points.
              The city is cleared - the front moves on.
              1. +6
                26 January 2025 12: 12
                Quote from gribanow.c
                The city is cleared - the front moves on

                Bravo! General! No, a whole field marshal!
                1. -5
                  26 January 2025 12: 16
                  Bravo! General! No, a whole field marshal!


                  Well.. request there are no other ideas anyway
                  1. +3
                    26 January 2025 12: 18
                    Quote from gribanow.c
                    there are no other ideas anyway

                    If the city is surrounded, then there is no need to storm it. It is impossible to fight without supplies.
                    1. -1
                      26 January 2025 13: 06
                      They give them a corridor, they don’t come out.
                      1. +2
                        26 January 2025 13: 16
                        Why give a corridor? A new word in strategy?
                        For example, I think that now we need to surround Pokrovsk.
                      2. -1
                        26 January 2025 14: 25
                        It seems nothing new, at the final stage of the war, the Germans were also given a corridor to leave the city, to avoid our losses and destruction, sometimes they left, sometimes they sat until the last, like in Breslau
                      3. +3
                        26 January 2025 14: 35
                        It makes sense to provide a corridor if there is hope to save the city, but for now I see piles of rubble instead of settlements.
            2. -1
              26 January 2025 10: 45
              The USSR, with its 250 million population and money, had a dozen and a half special forces brigades

              Interesting data, I thought there was less
              I am not talking about brigades, but about separate regiments, a regiment is 1000 people, they do not need their own equipment, they should be attached to infantry divisions to conduct battles in urban areas, so as not to lose regular infantry and equipment in urban battles
              1. +1
                26 January 2025 10: 50
                Quote from gribanow.c
                I’m not talking about brigades, but about separate regiments; a regiment is 1000 people.

                in the special forces - well, it's a completely different "staffing"... since fighters are a "piece of cake" just for information - the number of special forces in 1960 "the total number of army special forces, the first and only at that time in our country, was just over five and a half thousand people."
                https://agentura.ru/profile/glavnoe-razvedyvatelnoe-upravlenie-gsh-vs/specnaz-gru/
                1. 0
                  26 January 2025 11: 02
                  Now this should also be equipment - everyone has a weapon with a silencer, like the VSS or similar, everyone has IR and NVG, individual helmet-mounted communication with everyone in the group and with the commander, operates in squads of 20-30 people. The special forces enter the urban area at night, work quietly, quickly, destroy the enemy occupying the defense, do not take prisoners, do not leave alive, go through as much urban area as they can during the night. In the morning, the infantry goes and consolidates.
                  1. +4
                    26 January 2025 13: 31
                    Quote from gribanow.c
                    Now it should be equipment too.

                    The 3rd GRU brigade, at the beginning of the war, not every group had a "bird". And this is 12 people. Those who had one, bought it themselves. This is deep reconnaissance, the elite.
                    What can we say about other parts?
                    None of those responsible for this were even jailed.
                    1. -4
                      26 January 2025 14: 42
                      It was peacetime, we hadn’t fought for a long time, so we relaxed, since 1945.
      4. man
        +8
        26 January 2025 10: 19
        Moscow, from its population, will provide 10 divisions.
        Something tells me that after the announcement of the corresponding decree, the population of Moscow will sharply thin out... but they might be able to recruit enough for a couple of regiments
        1. -2
          26 January 2025 10: 35
          This means that a special situation must be temporarily introduced, and changes of residence and work must be prohibited. For the duration of the special period.
          1. man
            +8
            26 January 2025 10: 45
            Quote from gribanow.c
            This means that a special situation must be temporarily introduced, and changes of residence and work must be prohibited. For the duration of the special period.

            Run, unfortunate man, now there will quickly be not 50, but 100 divisions of enraged Muscovites looking for you to deal with you for such hints laughing
            1. +1
              26 January 2025 11: 38
              Muscovites must be the biggest patriots
              1. man
                +4
                26 January 2025 11: 53
                Quote from gribanow.c
                Muscovites must be the biggest patriots

                Muscovites are different, of course. Like everyone else. But there's a million, maybe even two, for you smile There are just a lot of people request
          2. +2
            26 January 2025 14: 55
            While there is no law on mobilization, and criteria for selecting mobilized personnel, these are just projects, our wishes. We need not only a law on mobilization, but also a work plan for the entire industrial and economic complex, and this will probably be more difficult than mobilization. It is easy to put into service, but the fighter needs to be dressed, fed, allocated a location, a bathhouse, a kitchen, weapons, training, etc., that is, we need cooks, shoemakers, gunsmiths, and many, many more narrow specialists - sappers, UAVs. New specialists need to be added to the old SDCs, maybe this is being done, but there is a lot of work. On the other hand, no one except us will do it.
        2. +2
          26 January 2025 12: 14
          Quote: mann
          Moscow's population will sharply thin out

          You are arguing apolitically! The price per square meter in Moscow will then fall sharply! And what about the developers?
          1. man
            +2
            26 January 2025 13: 27
            Quote: Puncher
            Quote: mann
            Moscow's population will sharply thin out

            You are arguing apolitically! The price per square meter in Moscow will then fall sharply! And what about the developers?

            When it comes to developers, I become an inveterate egoist. smile
      5. +3
        26 January 2025 18: 01
        A good plan, reliable, simple as a Swiss watch... There are just a few questions... As for the regions providing people... Where will they get them? Mobilization? Another question - will they give us this year? The third question -
        Where will you get weapons and other resources for these 50 divisions? We are far from the Soviet Union and the industry may not be able to handle it. Well, it is logical to assume that Ukraine will not sit idly by either.
      6. 0
        27 January 2025 23: 14
        Wouldn't it be easier to come from the North, why force the Dnieper or bang your head against the line of pillboxes in Donbass?
    3. -3
      26 January 2025 08: 54
      Vladimir, ttt - what are you suggesting, like the author, to give up your paws to the enemy? Or, nothing has hit your house yet, so it's not scary? Since we've already started a war, half measures like negotiations and withdrawal of troops are a blow to both the army and the country in the back! This is a military and political fiasco not only for the Kremlin, but for the entire country!
      1. +8
        26 January 2025 10: 10
        Just arrived - Kursk region. You are probably very far from the war, and judge it by the media - my guess. I am not fighting, but I regularly see everything that is happening in real life, not online, and it is not at all as optimistic as many write.
        The Kremlin has long since suffered a political and other fiasco, and now it is simply waiting - maybe it will somehow "dissipate" itself? Maybe Trump will help?
        1. +1
          26 January 2025 12: 07
          It just arrived - Kursk region.

          Greetings from Belgorod.
          Stop panicking!!!
          Those who are at the front should decide. And there people are motivated and focused on results.
          1. +5
            26 January 2025 13: 59
            Quote: Village
            Those who are at the front should decide. And there people are motivated and focused on results.

            I completely agree - but who will allow them? To decide? All the decision makers are very far from the war - in the Kremlin.
            And if any of the combat officers says something, the example of Surovikin and Popov is very indicative.
            And Prigozhin - even more so...
            1. +2
              26 January 2025 16: 19
              Quote: Vladimir-TTT
              but who will allow them to decide?

              I have to agree with this.
        2. -1
          26 January 2025 16: 18
          Quote: Vladimir-TTT
          It just arrived - Kursk region.

          Well, you need to defend your home, and not dream of capitulation. I would never make peace with someone who shot at me.
          1. +2
            26 January 2025 16: 31
            Who will allow this? Or are you not aware of how the "Kharkov regrouping" took place?
            When our people crushed them, and the order was to retreat?
            1. +3
              26 January 2025 16: 34
              Quote: Vladimir-TTT
              When our people crushed them, and the order was to retreat?

              Well, betrayal of the elites has always been Russia’s main problem, because of which we even lost wars.
              1. -1
                26 January 2025 16: 37
                But our Russian people are masochists. They have again chosen the same ones who "betrayed the elites"
                They like it when they... get beaten..
                1. -1
                  26 January 2025 16: 38
                  Well, unfortunately we don’t have any other elites.
                  1. +2
                    26 January 2025 16: 41
                    at 17 there was none either. And then - unexpectedly - both the tsar and even his family were shot...
                    As it turned out, it was beneficial for the country...
                    1. 0
                      26 January 2025 16: 44
                      Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                      at 17 there weren't any either.

                      Do we want a repeat of what happened then? Do we want a new civil war that will be bloodier than what is happening now?
                      1. -3
                        26 January 2025 16: 48
                        If there will be USSR-2, then why not?
                        End justifies the means...
                      2. 0
                        26 January 2025 16: 50
                        Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                        If there will be USSR-2, then why not?

                        That's the point, this time there will be no USSR. The enemy is united this time and, compared to last time, will not miss the opportunity to destroy us.
                      3. 0
                        26 January 2025 16: 53
                        The enemy is within the country - just like then. All these oligarchs and those in power.
                        Externally, it is united in exactly the same way as at the beginning of the last century - both America and Europe.
                        So all the problems are inside.
                      4. +1
                        26 January 2025 19: 50
                        Quote: Vladimir-TTT
                        Externally, it is united in exactly the same way as at the beginning of the last century - both America and Europe.

                        This is not true, back then the West was still disunited and the French and Germans hated each other no less than they hated us.
                      5. +5
                        26 January 2025 18: 21
                        And now it's not civil?
            2. -2
              26 January 2025 16: 39
              Are you not aware of how the "Kharkov regrouping" took place?

              Not everything is so clear. The front at that time was very stretched, with insufficient numbers of our forces. So the "gesture of goodwill" was rather a forced step. Difficult and painful.
      2. +9
        26 January 2025 12: 56
        And the fact that for all 3 years of the SVO, NATO adversaries have been supplied with oil, gas, fertilizers, uranium, etc., and the Ukrainian adversaries are paid about 2.5 billion per year for the transit of oil and gas + surplus Russian oil from Hungary and the Czech Republic has been sent in reverse - are these half measures or something else?
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    5. -2
      29 January 2025 11: 02
      Quote: Vladimir-TTT
      Gather all these "patriots" and go to LBS.

      I read more than a hundred comments. They are about everything, but not about what is needed. And are we going to discuss the topic of the article? Here the author writes -
      [/quote] However, much will depend, firstly, on the nature of the concluded agreements on Ukraine’s neutrality, and secondly, on the transfer of power in Kyiv.[quote]

      1. The author is in no way consoled by "agreements" that, with a wave of the hand, turn into a piece of paper that you can't even use for its intended purpose in the toilet. How many agreements has history known that were observed? Not a single one!
      2. Does the author believe that the collective West, together with the mattress makers, will allow voters in the Outskirts to elect someone other than the West and its comrades want? The height of naivety!
      Based on the above, it becomes clear to us that as long as the West and its comrades control the Outskirts, and it really does control it, we will not see a peaceful life. I am not a hurrah-patriot, I feel very sorry for our guys dying at the front, I also feel sorry for the deceived Ukrainians, but, in the current situation, we are simply doomed to fight to the end. And the end will come only when the West and its comrades will not be able to control the Outskirts in the literal and figurative sense.
  2. +2
    26 January 2025 05: 35
    Unfortunately, we do not know the real state of our economy. Our opponents also talk about rearmament after the peace treaty. Exactly the same words. Maybe we should really consider the Korean experience?
    1. +1
      26 January 2025 06: 04
      Quote: ASSAD1
      Maybe we should really consider the Korean experience?
      The solution is not bad, but where will the boundaries be?
      1. +11
        26 January 2025 06: 50
        And what kind of Korea will we be in this case, North or South? Most likely, North, the West will take care of isolating it. And what is "not bad" about that?
        1. -4
          26 January 2025 08: 32
          And nothing will change, it will remain as it is.
        2. 0
          26 January 2025 11: 26
          Rather, the Northern one, the West will take care of isolating it. And what is "not bad" about that?


          But it wasn't the West that isolated North Korea, it isolated itself for a long time, serious sanctions against the DPRK appeared only after 2006 (if I'm not mistaken) when the DPRK tested nuclear weapons. And before that, Western companies cooperated with the DPRK and even opened production facilities there, although they didn't do anything because of the DPRK's policy.
          1. +1
            28 January 2025 02: 57
            Don't read Russian Wikipedia! Read English! The West isolated the DPRK immediately after the Korean War, it was just not isolated by the East and they more or less lived. They isolated them especially in 1988, when the US called them sponsors of terrorism. But then the East joined the West and things got really bad in the DPRK, the US supplied oil for abandoning the nuclear program and supposedly had to lift sanctions and build a nuclear reactor in return, but there, as usual, the Republicans interfered with the Democrats and vice versa, the Koreans considered that they were being led by the nose and withdrew from the agreement, especially when Bush added the DPRK to the axis of evil, which apparently bombed the WTC with the forces of immigrants from Saudi Arabia
            1. 0
              28 January 2025 10: 26
              I don’t read Wikipedia at all, instead of words you can just look at UN documents, when what sanctions were introduced, before 2006 even Western companies worked in the DPRK and tried to do something similar to what happened in China.
              1. -1
                28 January 2025 12: 33
                You'd better read the US documents. The UN didn't impose any sanctions against Cuba, the US just imposed a bunch of sanctions, including secondary ones against those who decided to cooperate
        3. +1
          27 January 2025 08: 26
          Quote: Berezin
          And what kind of Korea will we be in this case, North or South?
          Why did you decide that we should become Korea?
      2. 0
        26 January 2025 07: 36
        The border along the Dnieper River provides some security guarantees: from the border with Belarus. The guarantee should be the understanding that the defrosting of the conflict by Ukraine will entail a nuclear response. And this should be spelled out in the agreement. But this is a long way.
        1. -1
          26 January 2025 09: 06
          Everything has happened before us. Like in the war with Japan? The American military-industrial complex would have profited for another 2-3 years while suffering acceptable losses in people, but the entry of the USSR into the war jeopardized the post-war distribution of territories and resources. Therefore, atomic bombs on unobvious targets with a transparent hint to both us and the Japanese. The same is true on the outskirts: while everyone is making money on the conflict with tolerable losses, nothing will change, strategic operations for the forester's hut will continue. But when Ukraine runs out of steam on the left bank of the Dnieper and in Lviv, Lutsk and Uzhgorod, "peacekeepers" will come - a tenth of the available "Kalibr" in nuclear design for these border towns, etc. in two weeks will establish "eternal peace" for 20-25 years (in short, for one generation). That's what the Americans did, that's what we will do, that's what will happen with Israel.
      3. +7
        26 January 2025 09: 24
        This is how it should be, these are exactly two Koreas
      4. +2
        26 January 2025 16: 23
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        where will the borders be?

        It doesn't matter where they will take place, the enemy will continue terror against us as long as it exists. The experience of Minsk should have actually taught our "party of peace".
    2. +1
      26 January 2025 06: 44
      Quote: ASSAD1
      Maybe we should really consider the Korean experience?

      The scale is wrong. The size of the contraband should be 6-7 times larger. laughing
      To somehow feed the people.
      And if I take into account the "elite" - 100-200 times.
      1. man
        +4
        26 January 2025 10: 59
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        Quote: ASSAD1
        Maybe we should really consider the Korean experience?

        The scale is wrong. The size of the contraband should be 6-7 times larger. laughing
        To somehow feed the people.
        And if I take into account the "elite" - 100-200 times.

        You clearly underestimate the appetite of our "elite"
    3. +15
      26 January 2025 07: 00
      Quote: ASSAD1
      Unfortunately, we do not know the real state of our economy.

      Well, according to Mishustin’s reports, it’s first in Europe, fourth in the world.
      Quote: ASSAD1
      Maybe we should really look at the Korean experience?

      Stop and count the losses? More or less everyone agrees with this, well, except for those who feed on this SVO and people who will not go into the trenches for many different valid reasons (age, health, etc.). There is a problem, though, one can start a SVO, but to stop it, two people are needed, and in our case, a much larger number of participants. In addition, for some, this SVO has become a magnum opus and ending it without a resounding victory will be the same as defeat.
      Quote: ASSAD1
      Our opponents also talk about rearmament after the peace treaty. They say exactly the same words.

      It's not clear here, according to the author
      After the end of military operations, Kyiv will have the opportunity to begin active rearmament and modernization of its own army. The Ukrainian Armed Forces will also have a huge number of UAVs.
      And if so, then after some time (say, 2-3 years) the Ukrainian Armed Forces may strike Russia again, and the military conflict risks resuming.

      What does it mean again? When was the first time? It wasn't a drug addict who promised denazification and other joys to the enemies. Ukraine's main problems will begin after the conflict stops, just like ours.
      1. +11
        26 January 2025 07: 38
        Quote: Skif3216
        Ukraine's main problems will begin after the conflict stops

        Are you sure that the West will just abandon Ukraine in oblivion and not prepare it for the next conflict that will be destructive for us? Personally, I am not at all sure about such a scenario.
        1. +4
          26 January 2025 09: 22
          Quote: Stas157
          Are you sure that the West will simply abandon Ukraine to oblivion and not prepare it for the next conflict that will be destructive for us?

          Of course not, the Ukrainian economy will fall on the shoulders of Europe, fortunately there is someone to cut the sovereign fat from (Orban, Fizzo), the guys are covered in dirt to the max, the US supplies weapons, no more than to maintain the status quo. About the problems, the departure of the most active part of the population, the border will have to be opened sooner or later, a society pumped up with hatred up to the eyebrows, people who in 5-6 years of war will get used to receiving 2-3 thousand dollars, who do not know how to do anything except fight, presidential elections, and most importantly parliamentary elections, which will be held whether you like it or not, in general there will be many problems. Thank God we will not have such a problem.
        2. +4
          26 January 2025 16: 27
          Quote: Stas157
          Are you sure that the West will simply abandon Ukraine to oblivion and not prepare it for the next conflict that will be destructive for us?

          I am sure of the opposite and the next war will be even bloodier for us.
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    5. +9
      26 January 2025 12: 16
      Quote: ASSAD1
      Unfortunately, we don't know the real state of our economy.

      Go to the store. Remember the prices of 2021.
      1. -2
        27 January 2025 23: 18
        So we need to open our buns wider to the Western master and hope that there will only be rape and not murder?
    6. -2
      27 January 2025 23: 17
      Eternal war and eternal pain in the ass...what a nice option.
  3. +15
    26 January 2025 06: 02
    Overall a reasonable article, but there is a nuance.
    If we were talking about a peace treaty that would secure control over new territories (at least according to the current LBS), then this really would not be the worst option.
    But this is not what we are talking about at all. We are talking about a ceasefire, legally no one is going to recognize anything (even Crimea) as the Russian Federation. And these are fundamentally different things.
    What is the point of such a decision for the group that has controlled the Russian Federation since 1993? (There is no point in talking about abstract state interests of Russia). There is no particular point, the sanctions (and this is money stolen from Russia) will only partially weaken, the label of reigning in the Russian Federation (that is, security guarantees) will not be confirmed. The destroyed territories of Donbass are simply becoming a huge gray zone requiring investment with minimal return, along the former front line it will be necessary to maintain a large group of troops, which requires money and weapons.
    In this sense, when Putin and Lavrov say that a simple truce does not suit them, but they need a peace treaty, they (a very rare case) are not lying.
    That is the dead end and the whole problem, that the enemy does not intend to sign a peace treaty that would secure anything for the Russian Federation.
    1. +2
      26 January 2025 10: 07
      That is the dead end and the whole problem, that the enemy does not intend to sign a peace treaty that would secure anything for the Russian Federation.

      Let me try to figure it out. The peace treaty will be signed as a result of negotiations after the parties have reached an agreement. But "Agreement is a product of complete non-resistance of the parties" (Monter Mechnikov). This is banal. But it is not clear in what time frame Trump will be able to seat the parties at the negotiating table. To be honest, even the composition of the participants is unclear. The most likely scenario is negotiations on the possibility of starting negotiations. Our president outlined the agenda for the first round. Let this person, who calls himself the president of Ukraine, first cancel his decree banning negotiations with Russia. In response, they say that there is no such decree. The Kremlin will say no, there is such a decree. Such nonsense can last a long time. Therefore, talk about the results of the negotiations is simply premature, even with reference to Prokhvatilov. Everything will be decided on the LBS. There is no end in sight there.
      1. +5
        26 January 2025 17: 06
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Everything will be decided on LBS. There is no end in sight.

        In short, your conclusion is incorrect. What happens on the LBS would be decisive if it led
        1) Towards a change of power in Ukraine
        2) To the collapse of the front and the loss of combat capability of the enemy army.
        And this in turn would lead to the signing of the peace treaty we need, which would at least legally secure something.
        The first task was not set initially, and is not set now (moreover, not a single hair fell from the head of a single official of the "Nazi Zelensky").
        The second, with minimally adequate policy and strategy, was solvable in the first year of the operation, and with difficulty solvable in the second. But now it is in principle unsolvable. It is too late. Soviet weapons reserves are practically exhausted, losses are enormous, and the DPRK alone cannot supply the entire Russian army.
        Russia can fight with the current regime for another year, but this will lead to the fact that at the cost of another 100-150 thousand losses, the front line will move another 30-40 km. The desire of the Maidan authorities of Ukraine to sign a peace treaty will not increase.
        1. -2
          27 January 2025 23: 24
          The way out is obvious - systematic destruction of the regime's top with destruction of dams and railway stations, systematic burning of cities and reduction of the number of reserve mobs. When Kyiv looks like this, negotiations will acquire new meaning.
    2. man
      +1
      26 January 2025 11: 09
      If we were talking about a peace treaty that would secure control over new territories (at least according to the current LBS), then this really would not be the worst option.
      Yeah, and the West will wipe its ass with this peace treaty at the first opportunity.
      Zugzwang... sad request
      1. +4
        26 January 2025 16: 52
        Quote: mann
        Yeah, and the West will wipe its ass with this peace treaty at the first opportunity.
        Zugzwang...

        Well, there is no need to demonize the West so much. But such a possibility exists.
        More precisely, the real agreement will be between Ukraine and the Russian Federation (that is, the warring parties). The West can be a guarantor, and then throw up its hands, saying, "Reality has changed, we can't do anything."
        But that's another separate problem. It's not clear yet how to even get that peace treaty.
        1. man
          -1
          26 January 2025 17: 51
          Well, there is no need to demonize the West so much. But such a possibility exists.
          If even within the Western bloc one participant squeezes territory from another, then what more can there be? The West demonizes itself to a much greater extent than I do smile And the probability that they will be deceived, having sensed the softness of our Supreme, is almost 100%, alas...
          On the other hand, I am very happy that we and the Ukrainians will finally stop killing each other. But I am afraid that this will not last long. This is the dilemma request sad . The problem has no solution...
    3. 0
      26 January 2025 15: 04
      They don't lie, but who will give them this agreement? The claw got stuck, the end of the whole bird.
    4. +4
      26 January 2025 16: 31
      Quote: Belisarius
      If we were talking about a peace treaty that would secure control over new territories (at least according to the current LBS), then this really would not be the worst option.

      Well, the West did not dispute Kursk's belonging to Russia, but this did not stop them from invading there.
      1. +8
        26 January 2025 16: 48
        Quote: guest
        Well, the West did not dispute Kursk's belonging to Russia, but this did not stop them from invading there.

        And they don't dispute it. Both in the West and in Ukraine. They immediately said - we don't lay claim to the territory of Kursk region. It is needed for negotiations.
        From the point of view of international law, Ukraine is a victim of aggression. And it has every right to attack even Moscow. It has no right to annex it.
        We have a completely different situation. The Russian Federation started the SVO, that is, it attacked its own recognized borders of Ukraine, and the Russian authorities are talking about annexing part of the territory of Ukraine to themselves.
        1. +1
          27 January 2025 23: 28
          "From the point of view of international law, Ukraine is a victim of aggression."
          Oh come on. Maybe the DPR is a victim of Ukrainian aggression?
  4. +17
    26 January 2025 06: 15
    375 meters per month

    We were told that grinding is supposedly a new innovative tactic. And only it can now lead to victory in the current realities of an unprecedented war. But suddenly it turned out that grinding cannot squeeze the enemy out of the Kursk region for more than six months and can only lead to peace talks along the demarcation line.
    1. 0
      26 January 2025 11: 19
      Quote: Stas157
      But suddenly it turned out that grinding could not force the enemy out of the Kursk region for more than six months

      no matter how you look at it, a dozen of the best, well-armed and motivated brigades perished there in a completely insignificant area on the scale of the entire front... in general, the "expenditure" of manpower is greater than the "income" even without taking into account deserters, and the territory, a continuous agglomeration and fortified for almost 10 years, also "ends" at the border of the Dnepropetrovsk region, - i.e. there are not many reasons for panic, and the tone of the European media, rather panicky, like "everything is lost, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving", inspires optimism
      1. +2
        26 January 2025 14: 04
        Quote: Rodez
        no matter how you look at it, a dozen of the best, well-armed and motivated brigades perished there in a completely insignificant area on the scale of the entire front...

        Losses from this type of warfare are comparable on both sides.

        There are no decisive actions by our Armed Forces - because the Ukrainian Armed Forces are, in fact, in a ready-made "semi-cauldron" that can be turned into a cauldron.
        No strength? Maybe
        No command from above? This is also possible and even more realistic.
        Because this confrontation is not a day or a week - it's half a year...
        1. 0
          26 January 2025 15: 41
          Quote: Vladimir-TTT
          Because this confrontation is not a day or a week - it's half a year...

          talk about "six months" reminded me of a statement by Jacques Bo, a Swiss colonel, a Swiss representative-observer at NATO headquarters in Brussels (Switzerland is not a NATO member and only has an observer) during the Maidan - he said that Russia is conducting a military operation, and Ukraine is conducting a media operation... from a military point of view, the operation in the Kursk region is of no importance (they were not allowed to reach Kurchatov), ​​from a media point of view (that's exactly what you're talking about, what a passage, a whole six months!) - it is noticeable
          Of course, this could not be allowed, but if it did happen, then from a military point of view they can’t get away from there, only feet first, out of 15 brigades of the strategic reserve of Ukraine, of which he boasted about a dozen have already been licked by a cow’s tongue, only 1200 square kilometers remain from the occupied 400 square kilometers and are decreasing every day... units have not been withdrawn from Donbass, in these six months 5 kilometers remain to the Dnepropetrovsk region
          p.s. how could this even happen, why residents were not evacuated, they will still figure it out, but in the current state of affairs from a military point of view, everything is going as it should... there is no point in correcting mistakes using the method "we will not stop at anything", and then even a flood, the main thing is to crow / report / "show everyone"
          pps judging by various sources, they are on their last legs there, not much time left, then maybe Russia itself will enter the Sumy region on its shoulders... but in some sense there really isn't enough strength, for an "effective" offensive you need a 3-fold advantage, you don't have it, - but there is an offensive... although not as effective as you and not only you would like
          1. -3
            26 January 2025 15: 49
            Quote: Rodez
            Quote: Vladimir-TTT
            Because this confrontation is not a day or a week - it's half a year...

            talk about "six months" reminded me of a statement by Jacques Bo, a Swiss colonel, a Swiss representative-observer at NATO headquarters in Brussels (Switzerland is not a NATO member and only has an observer) during the Maidan - he said that Russia is conducting a military operation, and Ukraine is conducting a media operation... from a military point of view, the operation in the Kursk region is of no importance (they were not allowed to reach Kurchatov), ​​from a media point of view (that's exactly what you're talking about, what a passage, a whole six months!) - it is noticeable
            Of course, this could not be allowed, but if it did happen, then from a military point of view they can’t get away from there, only feet first, out of 15 brigades of the strategic reserve of Ukraine, of which he boasted about a dozen have already been licked by a cow’s tongue, only 1200 square kilometers remain from the occupied 400 square kilometers and are decreasing every day... units have not been withdrawn from Donbass, in these six months 5 kilometers remain to the Dnepropetrovsk region
            p.s. how could this even happen, why residents were not evacuated, they will still figure it out, but in the current state of affairs from a military point of view, everything is going as it should... there is no point in correcting mistakes using the method "we will not stop at anything", and then even a flood, the main thing is to crow / report / "show everyone"
            pps judging by various sources, they are on their last legs there, not much time left, then maybe Russia itself will enter the Sumy region on its shoulders... but in some sense there really isn't enough strength, for an "effective" offensive you need a 3-fold advantage, you don't have it, - but there is an offensive... although not as effective as you and not only you would like

            Only our Armed Forces leadership provides them with an exit route - if they want to leave... And if they don't want to, then it's according to their plan...
  5. +12
    26 January 2025 06: 32
    Before discussing such decisions, we must clearly define our future. Identify all the shortcomings of the past. You can't do anything with idle talk alone. And there is more than enough of it. After all, Ukraine would not be a threat if not for the decisions of the 90s. But we are silent about this. And therefore, we are silent about the problem. Even during the Great Patriotic War, after grueling battles, there was a change in the composition. We are told that a terrible time has come. But why are all the forces of culture not directed at the civil issue? Because we were brought up differently. In films, we are accustomed to violence. Although human relations should be preached. Selflessness, friendship, love. These are the qualities that saved the country in difficult times.
  6. +4
    26 January 2025 06: 41
    There is only one way - victory. It is hard and costs many good lives. But do not think that it is easy for the enemy. Only a gradual increase in pressure on the ukra and it will break. Maximum another six months.
    1. +3
      26 January 2025 08: 29
      And when the SVO began, how long did it take you to expect victory?
      1. -1
        27 January 2025 23: 31
        Everyone expected that there would be a war, and not a Strange Military Operation in which the leadership is untouchable, the railway stations are untouchable, the bridges are untouchable, the ports are untouchable, the pipeline is untouchable...what can I say - even the military barracks were untouchable at first. With such schizophrenia, you need to be treated in a madhouse, and not wage wars.
  7. +13
    26 January 2025 06: 52
    . don't forget that Moscow did not develop "recipes for victory"y", and the SVO pursues limited goals

    The question is, did Moscow want to win? Is there such a plan? How can someone who hasn't started yet win?

    Let's leave the rosy hopes for dreamers. After the failed Istanbul negotiations and the equally absurd Grain Deal, it became absolutely clear that this war will not be waged until final victory, but until peace talks with the sworn enemy.
    1. +11
      26 January 2025 07: 16
      Yes, the SVO was lost at the very beginning. IMHO.
      It's actually surprising how it started.
      1. +11
        26 January 2025 08: 27
        It's not surprising at all. As always, the conviction in the invincibility and super-modernity of our own army. And in the end, the fighters went to their own place on old Soviet equipment. As before, many military experts assured us that we have the best, best air defense systems and laughed at Western equipment. And now our pilots don't find it funny at all. And it turned out that the vaunted S-300 turned out to be junk.
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        2. -2
          27 January 2025 23: 33
          Did they tell you this at the telethon?
    2. +21
      26 January 2025 08: 05
      This war will not be waged until final victory, but until peace negotiations with the sworn enemy.
      "Stalin said more than once that Russia wins wars, but does not know how to use the fruits of victory. The Russians fight wonderfully, but do not know how to make peace, they are passed over, underfed. And what we did as a result of this war, I believe, we did wonderfully, we strengthened the Soviet state. This was my main task. My task as Minister of Foreign Affairs was to ensure that we were not deceived. In this regard, we tried and achieved, in my opinion, good results." This is Molotov. The then Supreme and Minister of Foreign Affairs really achieved results, but will the current ones be able to ensure that we are not deceived in these negotiations? I am tormented by vague doubts.
      1. +7
        26 January 2025 10: 00
        and will the current ones be able to make sure that we are not deceived in these negotiations?

        I've been deceived so many times...
        1. 0
          27 January 2025 23: 34
          And in 1945 they also cheated us pretty badly.
      2. man
        +8
        26 January 2025 11: 38
        Stalin, Molotov. The then Supreme and Minister of Foreign Affairs really achieved results, but will the current ones be able to make sure that we are not deceived in these negotiations?
        What comparisons you have... request
        I am tormented by vague doubts ..
        I share your doubts... sad
  8. +3
    26 January 2025 07: 06
    Most likely, if the conflict along the contact line freezes, Putin will have to leave his seat.
    1. +13
      26 January 2025 08: 25
      Putin will have to leave his seat

      He won’t leave anything, he’ll just sit there until the Lord takes him away.
      1. +3
        26 January 2025 12: 24
        Quote: Dimy4
        Putin will have to leave his seat

        He won’t leave anything, he’ll just sit there until the Lord takes him away.

        No, that won't happen because he is Immortan Joe.
        Even in 30 years he will still be on screen, cheerful and full of energy.
    2. +12
      26 January 2025 09: 36
      Quote: Million
      Putin will have to leave his seat.

      Unlikely. Considering the system's deviousness, the population's ability to believe promises and forgive deception, they will find scapegoats in the form of the Minister of Defense, the Chief of the General Staff, and of course, where would we be without Nabiullina.
    3. -1
      27 January 2025 23: 35
      This is what I’m afraid of, it might not all end with a get-together in Rostov.
  9. +4
    26 January 2025 07: 06
    Some bloggers and experts say that "negotiations will save the Ukrainian Armed Forces from defeat," but in reality there is no talk of any defeat of the enemy at the moment. The Russian Armed Forces are slowly and persistently advancing deep into the Ukrainian Armed Forces' echeloned defense, slowly taking control of one settlement after another, but the Ukrainian army has not yet lost its combat capability.
    The German army did not lose its combat capability until the very end of the war - so what?
    The same problem concerns the enemy, but, unlike Russia, he is carrying out a total mobilization, catching people on the streets, and therefore has a much larger reserve.

    So the enemy is so short of cannon fodder that people have to be grabbed off the street, but that doesn’t mean that his army will soon be routed?
    1. +1
      26 January 2025 07: 55
      They haven't caught anything from 18 to 25 yet, so there's still some stock.
      1. -1
        26 January 2025 08: 05
        Quote: ASSAD1
        so there is still some stock

        There are still some. But the quality is not what it was in 2022, neither in terms of preparation nor in terms of motivation.
        1. +2
          26 January 2025 08: 56
          However, someone showed up in the Kursk region, they were clearly trained.
          1. 0
            26 January 2025 10: 07
            Quote: Ghost1
            showed up in the Kursk region, these are clearly trained

            Yes, they showed up. But at the same time, our pace of advance increased significantly, and there are different types there too.
            1. +1
              26 January 2025 19: 39
              But at the same time, our rate of advance increased significantly.

              Instead of 2 villages a day as at the beginning of last year, now there are 4-5.
              Faster? - Yes.
              Strongly? - I wouldn't say...
              However, progress is not happening everywhere.
              Severskoe, Zaporozhye, Volchanskoe and other directions are without any promotion at all. And where there is promotion, it is not that big.
              1. -2
                26 January 2025 22: 58
                Quote: Ermak_415
                Faster? - Yes.
                Strongly? - I wouldn't say...

                And you want dashing breakthroughs in the spirit of the last century? Well, it will end with such bloodshed that no one will feel bad about it.
            2. WIS
              +1
              26 January 2025 19: 59
              Quote: Dart2027
              our the pace the attacks have increased greatly

              The Well-Tempered Clavier is a "work" that allows one to listen to and evaluate the state of the instrument visually and with deep insight, to know it abilities for the future, for you, in (on) Deed.
              These "steps back and forth" from the first day, I will say, cannot be hidden.
              p.s.: the board has been stealing "up and down", that's why there are too many, too many questions about "failures"
              1. 0
                26 January 2025 22: 59
                Quote from WIS
                The Well-Tempered Clavier is a "work" that allows you to clearly, with deep insight, listen and evaluate the condition of the instrument, to learn its capabilities for the future, for you, in (in) Deed.

                Especially if the people judging don't know anything about music.
                1. WIS
                  +1
                  26 January 2025 23: 14
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The people who judge don't know anything about music.

                  But he sings well, the bastard...
                  1. 0
                    27 January 2025 19: 32
                    Quote from WIS
                    But he sings well

                    Yes. To the sound of such singing, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are in pieces.
    2. +5
      26 January 2025 19: 39
      Quote: Dart2027
      The German army did not lose its combat capability until the very end of the war - and that?

      That is precisely why the Red Army did not stand still and did not grind, but occupied huge territories. Because standing still will not defeat anyone.

      And we won in 1945 when the enemy ran out of territory, but there was still millionth army! It capitulated after the capture of Berlin.
      1. -3
        26 January 2025 23: 03
        Quote: Stas157
        This is precisely why the Red Army did not stand still and did not grind things down, but occupied vast territories.

        And then there were satellites, rockets and UAVs?
      2. -2
        27 January 2025 23: 40
        In Berlin alone they laid down 100,000... but was it necessary at the very end of the war?
  10. +16
    26 January 2025 07: 16
    To stop something, you need to understand how the mechanism works and why it was started.
    By the way, I heard an interesting opinion. Patriots were needed for the SVO, after the stop they will start to imprison patriots.
    1. +3
      26 January 2025 09: 07
      we need to understand how the mechanism works
      Do you think it exists, the mechanism?
  11. -3
    26 January 2025 07: 46
    The answer to the question "for" or "against" does not lie in the plane of the proposed answers. Simply because if "for" sabotage and UAV attacks will not stop, and if "against" a "Pyrrhic" victory is approaching. Behind the mentioned plane is the fact that now (and for a long time) the process is more important than the goal. Slowed military operations with the preservation of personnel, continuous (and terrifying) milling of the Ukrainian national body in terms of demography and economy, the geopolitical enemy's awareness of the fact of Russia's military strengthening from real and successful BDs - a kind of crypto asset, but, nevertheless, it should be used as long as possible. Including during diplomatic maneuvers and bargaining. The danger of the situation is that this may cause the collapse of the established system of values ​​in the West and it will be replaced by some kind of digital "fourth Reich" with North Atlantic potential. And therefore, too, the Ukrainian "mouse should be eaten slowly."
  12. +12
    26 January 2025 07: 59
    The presence of a boil called Ukraine on the border with Russia means the death of Russia itself.

    And that's all we wanted to know about negotiations without the complete capitulation of the Kyiv regime and the end of Ukraine's existence.

    Any preservation of it is a capitulation of Russia itself. It is the surrender of millions of Russian people, albeit stupefied, but Russian, to the power of the West.

    The author should update his knowledge regarding the sad history of many peoples who perished only because this same West is so good at setting one part of the people against another.

    The conclusion is that either the modern Russian state has not made the decision to win, or it is not capable of winning in its current form.

    Marshal of the Soviet Union, Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army (1941-1942), member of the Headquarters of the Supreme Command (1941-1945) Boris Shaposhnikov in his book "The Brain of the Army", dedicated to the role of the General Staff in the war and which has become a reference book for many military scientists, says (https://militera.lib.ru/science/shaposhnikov1/06.html):

    - ...the leadership of the preparation and conduct of the war itself is no longer the business of the general staff alone.

    Nowadays everyone agrees that this should be primarily in the hands of the government.

    Only it, having weighed all the factors of economic development of its country and the countries of potential enemies, can correctly forecast the nature of a future war.


    If no one talks about complete victory, what and from whom can we expect it?
    1. +18
      26 January 2025 08: 17
      There is victory and there is defeat, there is no third option. Not a single state in history has lost a war due to a lack of anything, except the will to win. Those who are confident in their victory will sooner or later achieve it. But unfortunately, neither will nor confidence in the actions of the authorities is visible.
      1. +14
        26 January 2025 08: 31
        They can only confidently raise the retirement age...
        1. +13
          26 January 2025 09: 58
          raise the retirement age
          ...Pyaterochka, at the checkout, a woman standing in front, almost 50, is paying. The cashier asks her: "Are you a pensioner?". Answer: "No. They made me look younger."
      2. +8
        26 January 2025 09: 04
        It takes a lot of willpower to force the oligarchs to spend money on improvements. But how can we force our own people?
      3. 0
        27 January 2025 01: 56
        No state in history has ever lost a war due to a lack of anything except the will to win.

        The Paraguayan War of 1864-1870 resulted in Paraguay losing 70% of its male population. Sometimes it's a good idea to lose the will to win.
    2. +4
      26 January 2025 09: 06
      If no one talks about complete victory
      There are no half-pregnant women.
    3. +6
      26 January 2025 11: 33
      The presence of a boil called Ukraine on the border with Russia means the death of Russia itself.


      It's funny how easy it is to switch the population's attention, now Ukraine, then Poland, then something else. Was it Ukraine that prevented Russia from becoming a technological power over the last 30 years? For some reason, Taiwan didn't prevent China from becoming the second/first economy in the world.

      In my opinion, the SVO would have been successful if the operation in Ukraine had gone the same way as it did in Crimea, and it was not for nothing that the Kremlin was already ready for negotiations in 22, because I think it became obvious in the Kremlin what kind of suitcase without a handle they were trying to lift.
  13. -17
    26 January 2025 08: 20
    Glory to the Russian soldier! Glory to Russian weapons!! Glory to our president!!!

    Quote: V. Biryukov
    given the current realities, "war to the bitter end"... is fraught with becoming permanent

    The author's progress in assessing the situation at the front is noticeable. If he used to write that the war was permanent, now he only assumes that it could become so.

    Quote: V. Biryukov
    firstly, the precise outlines of that very victorious end are unclear,

    Listen more often to the leaders of our country, and first of all, to the president.
    Novorossiya will be part of Russia. Odessa is a Russian city.

    Quote: V. Biryukov
    Secondly, there are not enough resources to set larger-scale goals.

    Have we really run out of missiles, shells and ammunition again?

    By conducting the SVO in the form that it is, we protect our personnel and at the same time bleed the enemy dry. It is they who drive children and women to the slaughter, not us. We do not stand still. Every day we take one or more populated areas under our control.

    I'll repeat it for the hundredth time. We have already won.
    It is they who are begging us for negotiations, not us begging them.

    At the meeting between Putin and Trump, the discussion will be about dividing the world into spheres of influence, taking into account the interests of China. The issue of Ukraine will be resolved "in passing". Trump is not interested in it, which means that all our demands on it will be realized.
    1. +10
      26 January 2025 08: 53
      Boriss55, do you really believe what you wrote?
      1. -10
        26 January 2025 08: 56
        Glory to the Russian soldier! Glory to Russian weapons!! Glory to our president!!!

        Quote: Vladimir M
        Boriss55, do you really believe what you wrote?

        Yes. Only the loser (the West, the USA) begs for mercy (negotiations).
        The winner does not beg anyone, he dictates his will to the loser.
        1. +12
          26 January 2025 08: 59
          Maybe I didn't understand you. Then I have another question for you - who do you think is "begging for mercy (negotiations)"?
          1. -15
            26 January 2025 09: 01
            Glory to our president!!!

            Quote: Vladimir M
            Who do you think is "begging for mercy (negotiations)"?

            Trump. Before coming to power, he already started talking about negotiations, 24 hours.
            Putin: "We are not against negotiations."
            The difference - see?
            1. +9
              26 January 2025 09: 06
              I see the difference - one gives ultimatums, the other asks for negotiations.
              1. -11
                26 January 2025 09: 13
                Glory to our president!!!

                Quote: Vladimir M
                I see the difference - one gives ultimatums, the other asks for negotiations.

                Ultimatum? You saw an ultimatum in the fact that they need negotiations? And if we don’t go, then what? When Russia lost to the West, to the USA, what could they dictate to us? Whose flag flies over the Kremlin?

                Our condescending statement that, well, we are not against negotiations, you perceive this as weakness? I am thrilled with you....

                ps
                And why does Western thinking perceive our goodwill as weakness...
                1. 0
                  26 January 2025 09: 18
                  They don't need negotiations, they need to force Russia to "fight" with China for the interests of the West.
                  And the West has plenty of “levers of pressure”.
                  1. -16
                    26 January 2025 09: 21
                    Glory to our president!!!

                    Quote: Vladimir M
                    They don't need negotiations, they need to force Russia to "fight" with China for the interests of the West.

                    I agree with this, but they won't get it.

                    Quote: Vladimir M
                    And the West has plenty of “levers of pressure”.

                    I wonder what kind?

                    Everything they could and could not do only contributes to the development of our economy (4th in the World), and theirs - the economy is coming to an end. Western countries are slowly but surely turning into third world countries.
                    1. +5
                      26 January 2025 09: 30
                      The main "lever of pressure" is the lifting of personal sanctions from our "senators". A completely effective "lever".
                      I agree that the economies of Germany and France are slowly but surely collapsing - that was the main goal of the NWO for Britain and the US. Now the US goal is to force Russia to "fight" with China for its interests.
                      I don’t care what the countries of the Euro-people are turning into, I’m more interested in the fate of the Russian State.
                      1. -15
                        26 January 2025 09: 46
                        Glory to our president!!!

                        Quote: Vladimir M
                        I am more interested in the fate of the Russian State.

                        As long as V.V. Putin is the president of our country, there is no need to worry about the fate of Russia. As for the sanctions of the West against our senators, this is thanks to our president, who is pursuing such a foreign policy. As they were told, "We need to think about home," and not work in the interests of our enemies.

                        Thanks for the chat. Bye everyone. hi

                        ps
                        The process of changing the elite from pro-Western to pro-Russian has already begun and cannot be stopped.
                      2. 0
                        26 January 2025 10: 09
                        And thank you for the conversation.
                      3. +6
                        26 January 2025 10: 17
                        Quote: Boris55
                        As long as V.V. Putin is the president of our country, there is no need to worry about the fate of Russia.

                        Yes, she (Rossi) will be finished.
                      4. +4
                        26 January 2025 11: 04
                        I'll support you for the first time. Previously, we somehow "confronted" each other on the site.
                      5. +2
                        26 January 2025 16: 15
                        As long as V.V. Putin is the president of our country, there is no need to worry about the fate of Russia.


                        No Boris, unfortunately, Putin is like an aging boxer, he has already shown all his best, now he is simply clinging to power, and Putin himself, when he was younger, warned about this state of the politician:

                        "The worst and most dangerous thing that can happen for a person who is involved in politics is to cling to his chair with his hands and teeth and think only about it," said Vladimir Putin. "Then in this case, failure is inevitable, because you will always be afraid of making some wrong move. You should not think about this, you should think about the results of your work."


                        Right now, a new leader is needed, it could be Mishustin, Sobyanin, or even Nabiullina, but this new leader, firstly, should have the option to blame the previous leader for all the sins, and he will use this option to justify some decisions, and secondly, be free from the mistakes of the previous one. Maybe we need to fight to the end, maybe, on the contrary, sign a peace agreement faster, but in any case, this should be done differently than it is being done now.
                      6. +2
                        26 January 2025 18: 41
                        Personally, I started to worry, let's say, back in 1993, and, to my great regret, my fears
                        came true...
                      7. -3
                        26 January 2025 10: 10
                        Quote: Vladimir M
                        The main "lever of pressure" is the lifting of personal sanctions from our "senators". A completely effective "lever".

                        Really? After our oligarchs, who foolishly fled to London, were simply robbed, these mantras are no longer even funny.
            2. +4
              26 January 2025 18: 36
              In fact, Trump says that if Putin refuses to negotiate, he will twist Russia into a ram's horn, if we convey the general meaning of his statements.
              1. -2
                27 January 2025 23: 57
                Classic show-off...let him try. Then maybe this war will finally become existential for America too.
  14. -2
    26 January 2025 08: 20
    Of course, negotiations and on any terms. The Russian army will not survive this war, that is obvious. The senseless death of people at the front and the gradual destruction of the main Russian rear production centers by drones is already obvious.
    1. +2
      26 January 2025 08: 26
      the gradual destruction of Russia's main rear production centers by drones is already evident

      Where are these centers? Just to stink, name where they are gradually destroying?
      1. +1
        26 January 2025 08: 29
        Now they are persistently and methodically knocking out oil refineries. They will soon reach Uralvagonzavod.
        1. +1
          26 January 2025 08: 43
          Now they are persistently and methodically knocking out oil refineries. They will soon reach Uralvagonzavod.

          They are not knocking it out, they are trying to knock it out. It is impossible to destroy the plant with UAV attacks. Do I remind you how many German bombers participated in the raids on GAZ in June 43? Let me remind you. There were 7 raids with 100 or more bombers, which carried 2-ton bombs. The plant was restored in 90 days. And how many UAVs carry explosives and how many UAVs need to be sent to such a plant to stop production?
    2. +3
      26 January 2025 08: 56
      The problems in the SVO are far from being in the Russian Army.
      "Negotiations on any terms" will lead to even worse consequences for the Russian State. No one is going to "negotiate" with Russia, they are giving it an ultimatum.
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    3. +8
      26 January 2025 08: 59
      The use of drones in rear production centers is already evident
      Volgograd Tractor Plant, it seems, was not destroyed by drones, in our town, two out of three ship repair plants were destroyed, long before the SVO. Now, drones arrive, but the plants are not there. While they look around, they are shot down. Yes
    4. -5
      26 January 2025 09: 29
      Of course, negotiations and on any terms.

      Are you proposing to satisfy all of Kyiv's wishes? Belgorod, Kuban, Kursk, Rostov - do you also agree to satisfy Ukraine?
      1. +1
        26 January 2025 17: 30
        Quote: Sanya Tersky
        Belgorod, Kuban, Kursk, Rostov - do you also agree to satisfy Ukraine?

        They won't ask us. We have the "best ruler" in the entire history of Russia. He will decide.
    5. -2
      26 January 2025 10: 11
      Quote: Prometey
      The Russian army will not survive this war, that's obvious.

      Tell this to those who are caught on the streets in democratic Ukraine.
      1. +3
        26 January 2025 19: 43
        If so, maybe we should ask the residents of the Kursk region about this?
        Who can't even be paid compensation properly
        1. 0
          26 January 2025 22: 27
          Quote: Ermak_415
          Who can't even be paid compensation properly

          They don't want to. It's just an expendable element.
        2. -4
          26 January 2025 23: 07
          Quote: Ermak_415
          If so, maybe we should ask the residents of the Kursk region about this?

          So there is nothing to object to? And about Kursk Oblast, ask those who are buried there and those who are buried when trying to get there. If you add them up, there will be more people there than the entire Kursk Oblast. Not to mention that they did not achieve their main goal (the NPP).
  15. Eug
    +6
    26 January 2025 08: 21
    In my opinion, the truce (or peace) will be another one (a situation with persistent non-recognition
    and "cramming" the LPR, DPR into Ukraine, which resulted in the SVO) an indicator of the attitude towards Russian-oriented people remaining on the territory of Ukraine. There are not many of them, but they exist. And guarantees are, you know... when a dozen SVO veterans from Ukraine live in a house (on the street), all the security forces and authorities at all levels (and the elections will give exactly this result) will be anti-Russian, then any guarantees will be... well, you understand... like the Minsk agreements.. and also weapons brought from the front... how can one remain pro-Russian in such a situation?
  16. -1
    26 January 2025 08: 23
    The Tsar and the boyars must meet two contradictory conditions. Pour billions of money into military might and at the same time maintain the standard of living, so that citizens do not then scream from inflation, deficit and unemployment, as happened in WWI. Therefore, agreements are as inevitable a part of modern warfare as missile attacks. Those who start shouting that Stalin and Hitler did not agree are idiots. Stalin and Hitler did not agree, but you do not plan to live on a ration of 150 grams of bread a day, like in Leningrad. So this is exactly what the war will be like. And it will be like this for a long time.
    1. +1
      26 January 2025 10: 13
      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
      Those who start shouting that Stalin and Hitler didn't agree are idiots. Stalin and Hitler didn't agree, but you don't plan to live on a ration of 150 grams of bread a day like in Leningrad.

      I have long noticed that those who have been shouting for years about the need to introduce troops into Ukraine are somehow in no hurry to go to the front as volunteers.
      1. -1
        28 January 2025 00: 02
        Well, tell me the whole story - there are only mobile phones at the front, who were caught at a kiosk and kicked to the front.
        1. 0
          28 January 2025 19: 00
          Quote: Totor5
          at the front there are only mobiles, who were caught at a kiosk and kicked to the front
          In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, yes.
          1. 0
            29 January 2025 02: 36
            Who is fighting there then, if according to you, the Russians there are mainly those who were always against the introduction of troops? The conclusion is that those who did not want to, but were caught and sent away.
            1. 0
              29 January 2025 19: 12
              Quote: Totor5
              those who didn't want to, but were caught and sent away.

              That's why new brigades fall apart.
              In the old ones, there are still some ideological ones and those who have gotten dirty in blood during this time and they are used as barrier detachments.
  17. -1
    26 January 2025 08: 23
    The Tsar and the boyars must fulfill two contradictory conditions. Pour billions of money into military might and at the same time maintain the standard of living, so that citizens do not then scream from inflation, deficit and unemployment, as happened in WWI. Therefore, agreements are as inevitable a part of modern warfare as missile attacks. Those who start shouting that Stalin and Hitler did not agree are idiots. Stalin and Hitler did not agree, but you do not plan to live on a ration of 150 grams of bread a day, like in Leningrad. So this is exactly what the war will be like. And it will be like this for a long time. Now Trump's team has already demanded a mobilization up to 18 years old, to make sure that the Ukrainians are gone. Otherwise, you never know, they might get lost somewhere.
  18. +5
    26 January 2025 08: 32
    The war (let's call it SVO) did not go according to the script from the very beginning. The scenario that has been played out a hundred times is being repeated: it is easy to get into a war, but it is impossible to get out without significant losses with an eye on the future.
    The general public is unaware of the management's plans even under the most favorable scenario. But events are clearly unfavorable.
    It is safe to say that there is a large amount of uncertainty in plans for tomorrow, for a year, for a decade.
    So what to do?
    The answer suggests itself - in the current conditions, a war to the victorious end will save us. Because negotiations imply certain concessions (compromises) to the opposing side, which for Russia will mean a loss.
    They have been pressuring us before, and they will continue to press us in the future.
    There will be no peaceful life.
    The claw is stuck - the whole bird is abyss.
    All this is very unoptimistic, especially in terms of human losses, both existing and future.
    Therefore, an open dialogue with the people is necessary.
    Or, as during the Great Patriotic War, the State Defense Committee, martial law, total mobilization, etc. in the spirit of “Everything for the front, everything for victory!”
    This is such an [unprofessional] analysis.
    1. +9
      26 January 2025 08: 57
      Total mobilization is probably good. But it seems to me that now they don't go into attack in chains, with bayonets fixed. Will Russia be able to arm, equip and provide combat equipment to, say, a million mobilized people? "Kalash", of course, they have. And armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks? Military Urals, KamAZ trucks? Well, the regiments won't move on foot. Do we have a commander capable of managing such masses, developing strategic operations? Well, I have fierce doubts about this.
      1. +7
        26 January 2025 09: 22
        Absolutely correct questions asked.
        But total mobilization is not good. It is not what our people need.
        In short, wherever you look, there's a wedge everywhere.
      2. +1
        29 January 2025 02: 53
        Quote: Lykases1
        Do we have a commander capable of managing such masses and developing strategic operations?

        If not, then things are bad for us.
    2. +8
      26 January 2025 09: 51
      Therefore, an open dialogue with the people is necessary.

      Something like this: "Please be understanding, this...what's it called...people...The rich will become even richer, and you will become even poorer." Right?
    3. -1
      26 January 2025 10: 19
      Quote: U-58
      Therefore, an open dialogue with the people is necessary.
      Or, as during the Great Patriotic War, the State Defense Committee, martial law, total mobilization, etc. in the spirit of “Everything for the front, everything for victory!”

      This is how the dialogue is going now. But firstly, war is not a one-sided game, so not everything that is planned goes smoothly, secondly, not everything can be said openly, and thirdly, we have a huge number of "experts" who know exactly how it should be done.
      Quote: U-58
      Or, as during the Great Patriotic War, the State Defense Committee, martial law, total mobilization, etc. in the spirit of “Everything for the front, everything for victory!”

      As already written
      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
      The Tsar and the boyars must fulfill two contradictory conditions: pour billions of money into military might and at the same time maintain the standard of living, so that citizens do not then cry out from inflation, deficit and unemployment, as happened in WWI.

      I will add that then everyone who shouted that everything was lost was immediately shut up quickly and mercilessly.
  19. +8
    26 January 2025 08: 53
    Okay. The agreement in its best form. Ukraine gives its most honest, most honorable word that it will not join NATO, leaves the annexed territories to Russia, somehow, self-denazifies and self-demilitarizes. And then? Will a line of foreign ambassadors line up at the Russian Foreign Ministry with official statements recognizing the annexed territories as Russian? Will they return 300 billion? Will they lift sanctions? Will the US cede the gas market in Europe? etc. etc. This agreement will only confirm that Ukraine is a cut off piece and for a long time. Somehow the image of the gatherer of Russian lands immediately fades for the president. In general, they try not to write about this, but military actions are not being conducted in the border Ukrainian territories, but only in Donetsk, probably due to a lack of funds and forces, weapons. A stalemate has developed for both Ukraine and Russia, where there will be no winner. But the collective West will remain the winner, will fulfill the testament of Brzezinski, that in no case should Ukraine and Russia be allowed to be together.
    1. +3
      26 January 2025 11: 38
      And what will happen in another case, well, let the SVO continue for another 1-3 years and finally Ukraine will fall, then what will happen to Russia, what will happen to the economy, to the demographics, how many more “brains” will leave the country?
      1. +4
        26 January 2025 11: 53
        And the same thing... Ukraine's entry into the Russian Federation, no one will recognize it, they won't return the 300 billion, the sanctions won't be lifted...
        1. +2
          26 January 2025 12: 01
          Well, what's the point then in burning money, resources, losing people if the situation doesn't improve? Actually, the topic of negotiations didn't arise out of nowhere.
          1. +4
            26 January 2025 12: 02
            What was the point of burning it the way it happens? Were there no other solutions?
            1. +2
              26 January 2025 12: 06
              I am sure that if the Kremlin knew how this SVO would go, then naturally they would not have started it or would have started it with other forces. Apparently the whole plan was for the flight of the Ukrainian elite, the absence of a population motivated to resist, in general, a repetition of the Crimean operation on the scale of Ukraine.
              1. +4
                26 January 2025 12: 13
                I am sure that if the Kremlin knew
                There is no need to know here, you need to think, analyze. For example, in 1920, instead of knowing, the Bolsheviks analyzed the situation and created the Far Eastern Republic, and without military action, the English, American and Japanese troops left there. And then the Far Eastern Republic became part of the RSFSR.
                1. 0
                  26 January 2025 12: 20
                  And what do you think, the Kremlin hasn't analyzed it, well, what kind of forecast would you give for the SVO in February of '22, well, just be honest? And the Bolsheviks also made mistakes sometimes, like Tukhachevsky's campaign in Poland in 1920.
                  1. +3
                    26 January 2025 12: 29
                    What forecast would you give for the SVO in February 22?
                    And you won't believe it, I immediately gave a forecast that the SVO is serious and for a long time.. We quarreled, even with one comrade, because of this, we haven't corresponded for three years. And Poland.. here the fault is common, namely the congress of the III International, it was the participants of the congress who insisted on the further advancement of the Red Army, assuring that as soon as the Red Army enters the territory of Poland, uprisings will begin in Poland, Germany and even in Belgium.. What happened happened.. In short, they misled.
                    1. 0
                      26 January 2025 12: 34
                      It was the participants of the congress who insisted on the further advancement of the Red Army, assuring that as soon as the Red Army entered the territory of Poland, uprisings would begin in Poland, Germany and even in Belgium. What happened happened. In short, they misled us.


                      Something similar may have happened in Ukraine, someone also advised that the population would support and Medvedchuk would easily get into the presidential chair.
                      1. +3
                        26 January 2025 12: 39
                        About Krymnash, someone also lied to us that the whole world would agree that it is Russian. In the 90s, the Russian Federation gave an honest, most honest promise that it is a guarantor of the integrity of the borders of Ukraine and even secured it on paper, the Budapest Memorandum, I think, and suddenly Krymnash. By the way, I am on the blacklist on Mirotvorets, if anything, I am not the only one in the group of those who created branches of Rosmorport in Crimea.
                2. +2
                  26 January 2025 17: 36
                  Quote: parusnik
                  You don’t need to know here, you need to think and analyze.

                  This is not about our government. It has always acted like an amoeba - intuitively and maybe. The Americans have dozens of analytical centers that consider dozens of possible options.
              2. +11
                26 January 2025 12: 24
                if only the Kremlin knew
                Yesterday I watched a funny video. One boss holds a meeting and asks those gathered what the average salary is in Moscow. After a long pause, another boss says 140-160 thousand. But the boss who asked the question shook his head and said. It can't be, it must be more.
                Either this meeting was transmitted from another planet or they really don’t know anything and don’t even know how to get accurate information.
                1. +4
                  26 January 2025 12: 35
                  Is this the video where someone suggests that 90 thousand is the average salary, but they ignore him?
                  1. +4
                    26 January 2025 12: 38
                    Yes Yes.

                    By the way, in the comments many are surprised even about 90K.
    2. 0
      29 January 2025 02: 56
      Quote: parusnik
      Ukraine gives its most honest, most honorable word that it will not join NATO.

      And we will believe this? If so, then from now on I only have swear words.
  20. +5
    26 January 2025 09: 32
    It's just that "hooray patriots" know that this respite will really strengthen Ukraine, unite society, like "we held out" and all that. And here, on the contrary, the government will rest on its laurels, passing off the fixed match as a victory. Military experience will be lost, budgets will be stolen, the fundamental problems of the army will remain unresolved. In general, we will be unprepared for the next war, as well as for the SVO, so the "hooray patriots" are ready to continue to exchange the lives of our soldiers in the hope of defeating the Armed Forces or a sudden black swan for Ukraine.
  21. +2
    26 January 2025 09: 34
    "the victorious end" in Ukraine is quite visible. it is the liberation of Kharkov, Nikolaev and, most importantly, Odessa. i.e. firstly, the return of the Russian regions of the south-east and secondly, cutting off Ukraine from the sea. after which it will lose its economic, demographic and geostrategic potential. will turn into a backwater Eastern European state, evil but powerless. and will cease to be a significant threat forever. here is your victory. theoretically, it is achievable, but will there be enough will in practice...
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  22. BAI
    +1
    26 January 2025 09: 56
    Whoever owns Kyiv, that one will win
    1. Eug
      +1
      26 January 2025 10: 08
      Most likely not Kyiv, but Odessa.... with the capture of Odessa, Kyiv will not hold out for long.... or will become much more accommodating.
      1. +7
        26 January 2025 10: 42
        With the capture of Odessa, Kyiv will not hold out for long.
        Kherson, we won't give up... I remember... yep... Zmeiny is not needed, they also wrote about this... here... Authors, should I remind you?..
        1. Eug
          +1
          26 January 2025 10: 51
          So both Odessa and Kyiv are still in a very vague long-term perspective... if in a long-term perspective at all.,,, PROMISE of partial lifting of sanctions (or rather, non-introduction of new ones) - that's the real carrot... alas...
          1. +5
            26 January 2025 11: 00
            Odessa and Kyiv are still in a very vague perspective...

            Like Slavyansk and Kramatorsk... They will lift painless sanctions against some oligarchs and officials, and what? Will the retirement age decrease? Will prices fall in the country? Will industry revive?
            1. 0
              26 January 2025 16: 02
              Will the retirement age decrease? Will prices fall in the country? Will industry revive?


              And what will change in this regard if we continue the SVO for 2-3 years? Obviously, everything will only get worse, sometimes you need to be able to exit on time and record losses. The USSR in 1920 unsuccessfully went to Poland, but 19 years later it was very successful.
              1. +2
                26 January 2025 16: 05
                And nothing will change, whether the Russian Federation signs the agreement or not. And by the way, who should it sign with? If for a year they tell us that the Ukrainian government is not legitimate?
                1. +1
                  26 January 2025 16: 08
                  If for a year they tell us that the Ukrainian government is not legitimate?


                  We were told that the Taliban is a terrorist organization and that everyone in Syria is a terrorist except Assad.
                  1. +2
                    26 January 2025 16: 12
                    What does the Taliban have to do with our dialogue about Ukraine?
                    1. -1
                      26 January 2025 16: 17
                      Even though he was once considered illegitimate and this was also said on the big screens, tomorrow they will easily tell us that the current regime in Ukraine is legitimate.
                      1. +3
                        26 January 2025 16: 18
                        Also, over time, if an agreement is signed, both parties may declare the agreement to be illegitimate.
                      2. 0
                        26 January 2025 16: 20
                        Of course they can, just as they can declare their withdrawal from an agreement signed with any legitimate government, nothing changes.
                      3. +3
                        26 January 2025 16: 26
                        nothing changes
                        Of course... this is all serious and for the long term... The West, which has written about this more than once, has achieved the fact that on the territory of the former USSR, no real strong military-economic union has emerged, only fiction, the CIS, the NPP... The Union State of Russia and Belarus... There are many unions, but... little use.
                      4. -1
                        26 January 2025 16: 27
                        Once again, you blame some West, it was the West that forced the constitution to be rewritten and for one group, which has already grown very old and made many mistakes, to hold on to power.
                      5. +4
                        26 January 2025 16: 39
                        you blame some West

                        Tell me, did the West need a new modernized union on the territory of the former USSR? For a long time we shouted: "The West is with us, the West will help us" (c). Did it help a lot? Shared technologies? Did it do a lot to unite the former Soviet republics? It didn't need a second competitor of the EU on the territory of the former USSR, like China.. And it's expensive.. Now everyone here is against "Western values", but they have fully accepted them.. Take the same movie, Russian fairy tales have been remade in the American style.. Everyone is happy.. and at the same time they scold the damned West. Previously, singers and singers on stage had names and surnames, now they have nicknames.. But the main thing they have achieved is that Russia doesn't even make galoshes now.
                      6. -1
                        26 January 2025 16: 54
                        Tell me, did the West need a new modernized union on the territory of the former USSR?


                        I will say that the West doesn’t care, because there is no single West, there are a bunch of different organizations, corporations, groups, etc., and they, first of all, fiercely compete with each other.
                      7. +2
                        26 January 2025 16: 59
                        Really? With a sweet childish smile, the collective West... Why is it so actively helping Ukraine with weapons? Ukraine is not a member of NATO, why would it do that? Why did the leadership of the Russian Federation pull and continue to pull the country into the Western bourgeoisie? What is the EU in your opinion? Competing states within the union on an honest basis? smile
                      8. -1
                        26 January 2025 17: 03
                        Why is he so actively helping Ukraine with weapons?


                        And why not help if it is profitable, money goes to the military-industrial complex, Russia also supplies resources to this Europe because it is profitable.

                        What is the EU in your opinion? Competing states within the union on an honest basis?


                        I didn’t understand what the question was, I think I wrote that there is fierce competition in the West and in the EU, especially, countries compete both fairly and unfairly, everything is used.
                      9. +2
                        26 January 2025 17: 08
                        and in the EU, even more so, countries compete

                        Yes? Greece, not yet a member of the EU, was a shipbuilding power. After joining, the shipbuilding industry collapsed. What competition. If there is nothing to write under the agreement that Ukraine and Russia are being induced to sign, let's part ways. It was nice to talk. hi
                      10. -1
                        26 January 2025 17: 14
                        Maybe, but to speak specifically, you need to understand the subject. I am not familiar with the shipbuilding industry in Greece, a quick Google shows that it still exists in Herzia. Again, you need to see what happened to it outside the EU, for example, the entry of Poland and the Czech Republic into the EU had a positive effect, but at the same time I do not think that this is the merit of the EU, rather competent initiatives of local businesses.
                        But if you think that the West is to blame for our troubles, well, so be it.
                      11. +2
                        26 January 2025 17: 24
                        There is nothing to say about the negotiations, until next time. hi
              2. -1
                26 January 2025 20: 45
                Quote: Oldrover
                The USSR unsuccessfully invaded Poland in 1920, but 19 years later it was very successful.

                Well, if we follow this analogy, then we can only hope for a new world war, but then it will be the last one.
    2. -1
      27 January 2025 12: 14
      Kyiv will remain with them anyway
  23. +9
    26 January 2025 10: 12
    Well, yes, and the Idlib experience has taught us nothing (an unfinished enemy), the Karabakh experience (freezing the conflict), then how are we supposed to restore Donbass, new regions, and border regions, if a war can start at any moment and all the trillion-dollar investments will go down the drain, will the Greens be able to hold on to EU money, without the US, Trump is not against him, he has his own goals, he is not an ardent Russian patriot, he doesn’t care, as long as he doesn’t have to invest more and can focus on Taiwan and Israel, well, and also, now our air defense (like the Ukrainians, and any other in the world) is not able to contain even a raid by a hundred UAVs, and such a quantity is made in a maximum of a few days, imagine what will happen in a few years at least (and in peacetime production will only expand) tens of thousands of UAVs, there will be little left of our industry, and if they suddenly decide to attack first, that is, even if we don’t touch them, we will simply there will be a ten times more powerful Ichkeria next door, about terrorist attacks on ships, against civilians, call centers, participation against us all over the world, setting up tons of fortifications, moving military production underground and many other objects, and most of our missiles can be thrown in the trash for this war, let the military-industrial complex of the West accelerate, we will never be able to use a significant part of our army in other places, if God forbid it is needed, at any moment there can be a strike from the rear, about such trifles as finishing off everything Russian, turning Odessa, Kharkov, etc. finally into Ukrainian culture, a drop in prestige (and yes, this is important), the death of Transnistria and I don’t see the point in talking, purely based on the facts, there are 10 times more against than for
    1. +4
      26 January 2025 10: 43
      Well, yes, but the Idlib experience has taught us nothing.
      It is the smart ones who learn from the mistakes of others...
      1. +2
        26 January 2025 20: 37
        Quote: parusnik
        It is the smart ones who learn from the mistakes of others...

        And we can’t even learn from our own.
    2. 0
      26 January 2025 20: 35
      Quote: Rumit
      if he suddenly decides to attack first

      Whatever, they will definitely decide to attack us as soon as they gain enough strength.
  24. +8
    26 January 2025 10: 59
    Quote: Vladimir-TTT
    In conclusion, the author would like to emphasize that, given the current realities, the “war to a victorious end,” which some jingoistic patriots are talking about, is fraught with the possibility of becoming permanent, since, firstly, the precise outlines of that very victorious end are unclear, and secondly, there are not enough resources to set larger-scale tasks.

    Gather all these "patriots" - and go to LBS. Let them show by their actions and personal example how to fight until complete victory.

    These are the thoughts that come here, on the front lines of the Donetsk direction. The displacement of the enemy is very difficult, not nearly as optimistic as in the news of publics.
  25. -2
    26 January 2025 11: 28
    The Nazis will not stop after negotiations. And they will come to us, our wives and children. Have you seen the basements of the Kursk region? Who remained there (Ukraine) of our people? 91 smart people understood, 2004 it became clear to the majority, 2008 (they were already killing for their language), 2014 it became clear to everyone. Now it is 2025. Are there such slow-witted people left? Should they be saved? The scum must be burned out. Yao so Yao, what can you do.. No statute of limitations.
    1. -1
      26 January 2025 20: 02
      And they will come to us, our wives and children. Have you seen the basements of the Kursk region? Who is left there (Ukraine) from our people?

      Would they have been in Kursk if the SVO had not started?
      1. WIS
        +2
        26 January 2025 20: 08
        Quote: Ermak_415
        Would they have been in Kursk if the SVO had not started?

        Answering thoughtfully, not for myself, I can hardly imagine the limits of an insatiable capitalist.
        Of course we are not Yugoslavia, but we are not Africa either.
      2. +2
        26 January 2025 20: 30
        Quote: Ermak_415
        Would they have been in Kursk if the SVO had not started?

        Yes, of course they would have been later, but they would have already been in the regional center.
        1. -2
          27 January 2025 08: 34
          In the Kursk region they drive Bradleys. Question number two: would they have Bradleys for this?
          1. +1
            27 January 2025 14: 47
            Quote: Russian
            would they have a Bradley for this?

            Of course they would have, after Ukraine joined NATO they would have had all of this and most likely even in greater quantities.
      3. 0
        26 January 2025 20: 43
        Yes, they are ready to go further. This is their goal, these Nazis. And we know it. Sadists must be destroyed, otherwise they will develop even more.
    2. +1
      26 January 2025 20: 32
      Quote: awdrgy
      The Nazis will not stop after negotiations. And they will come to us, our wives and children.

      Well, some representatives of our elite think that they will only come to us, but not to them.
      1. 0
        26 January 2025 20: 45
        Let them think. There is no harm in thinking.
        1. +1
          26 January 2025 20: 47
          Quote: awdrgy
          There is no harm in thinking.

          It’s still harmful, because they will come to us, and the fact that they will also come to them will not be particularly joyful for us.
          1. 0
            26 January 2025 21: 08
            There is simple logic here. What will happen if they come to us? There are not many options, right. Although it will be difficult.
            1. 0
              26 January 2025 21: 20
              Quote: awdrgy
              There aren't many options, are there?

              Well, Katz, as always, suggests surrendering in such a case. laughing
              1. 0
                26 January 2025 21: 42
                Offering to surrender? Believe me, it will only inspire them. You can't negotiate with a sadist. You can only destroy him.
                1. 0
                  26 January 2025 22: 00
                  Quote: awdrgy
                  Believe me, this will only inspire them.

                  I believe it as I know it. hi
  26. +3
    26 January 2025 11: 51
    Ukrainian society is very tired of the war, and the country has lost a lot of soldiers and young people, and there is simply no one to compensate for these losses given the catastrophic demographic situation. Therefore, in the coming years, hardly anyone will think about a new war.

    They will think, the history of Germany between the two world wars is an example of this. So in a generation - an attempt at revenge will be inevitable. It is important within what borders this country will emerge from the war. Its military potential will depend on this.
    1. +5
      26 January 2025 12: 48
      The preparation time does not depend on generations, but on the accumulation of resources. With Western assistance, Ukraine accumulates forces faster than other countries. A couple of months are needed to deliver and prepare equipment. Two to three months are also needed to train people. That is, a maximum of six months and Ukraine will have the strength for a new counterattack.
      1. +5
        26 January 2025 12: 54
        What is also important here is the transformation of the memory of the past war, and the raising of a generation of those whose parents will be those same losers who have not yet been called up. They will not remember the trench dirt, fear, and blood, but they will well absorb the mood of the "injustice" of the war's results.
        1. 0
          26 January 2025 12: 59
          It is not the population that decides whether to fight or not, but their leadership (a small circle of people in power), who do not care about the opinion of the population, will brainwash the population through the media and other tools and will carry out orders.
          1. -2
            26 January 2025 13: 04
            It's not easy to brainwash people who have already been in the trenches.
            1. +1
              26 January 2025 13: 07
              I agree, but people are different, some have one set of thoughts from being in the trenches, while others have different ones.
              It is not known which ones are more numerous.
    2. +1
      26 January 2025 20: 06
      They will think, the history of Germany between the two world wars is an example of this

      If Germany had been properly looked after and given some economic help, there would have been no World War II (I mean the one we have now, with Germany at the helm)
      1. -1
        26 January 2025 20: 33
        They were watching, but why help? They robbed - yes, they used - yes. As a result, the country restored its combat capability without any help. However, I agree that the humiliation of Germany after its defeat provoked a policy of revenge, made its propaganda convincing. And the war would have happened in any case, and the participants would have been the same.
  27. -1
    26 January 2025 12: 39
    It is necessary to describe what preceded this proposal from the US for negotiations.

    The United States has elected a new president, Donald Trump, he is a supporter of the development of the country, and not the development of satellites that pump resources out of the country.
    For the sake of industrial development, the United States proposed to hold negotiations.

    Russia doesn't care about the development of US industry; stopping the war now will only give the Ukrainian Armed Forces a break, they will stockpile armored vehicles and ammunition, train people to fight and then go to Russia again.

    Russia does not need to go to these negotiations, when we reach the Dnieper, then it will make sense for Ukraine to leave a small territory beyond the Dnieper. A small mobilization reserve will make them toothless, any attacks on Russia will be repelled with great damage to them - with the destruction of their cities. After several attempts, they will lose the desire to fight, since it will worsen their lives.
  28. +4
    26 January 2025 13: 02
    Quote from gribanow.c
    This won't last long, three or four months, and Ukraine will be reached to the western border.

    I just can’t understand where such a stream of brilliant proposals comes from - mushrooms, grass, moonshine - or something more serious.
    1. +1
      26 January 2025 20: 09
      The same thoughts.
      It seems like we've already gone through this, but as it turns out, no.
  29. +6
    26 January 2025 13: 07
    I am not surprised that this kind of "roll-ups" have started to appear more and more often, a kind of art preparation for a general propaganda offensive...
    Unfortunately, however, the author's arguments are very logical - I mean the part where it talks about the fatigue of people without rotation and slow progress, as well as the preservation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces as a force.
    That's all true. However, let's look at a couple of pitfalls of signing.
    1) In the North-Eastern Front we started as a "superpower" and roared from every iron about "Kyiv in 4 days". As a result, now we have what we have - and despite a large army and a bunch of weapons, if the conflict ends with some kind of "truce" the question will inevitably arise - ARE WE STILL A SUPERPOWER? Because a "superpower" on a logistical short arm near its borders that has not achieved the capitulation of an enemy five times inferior in democratic resources (and to a greater extent in industrial and economic resources) within, in general, an existential conflict - is already a "regional" power. As I see it, "pacification" in our case will secure this new status for us, taking into account all the previous moments, such as the decline of our space (insignificant numbers of launches, the stalled and archaic "Angara", the failure with "Luna-25", the curtailment of the superheavy and the unclear status of the nuclear tug), the decline of our external presence (the Syrian "black swan", the actual failure with the presence in Sudan, the destruction of the "Nord Streams" can also be included in this series) and a number of other things - added to this is the inability to break an enemy that clearly threatens us, is inferior to us and is clearly not a superpower.
    This factor must be taken into account because the absence of a "victory" here will inevitably highlight the hanging question of our successes over the decades in principle, and this will also have inevitable image losses due to the loss of our "superpower" status in the eyes of the international community. We, in fact, risk sliding down to the same level as France and the World Bank, a level above which we have previously tried in every possible way to soar, so to speak, demonstratively distancing ourselves. After the negotiations, we will objectively be little better than them - the former colonial superpowers, who "could not" maintain their architecture with intelligence and strength. I am now saying sad things, perhaps thickening the colors somewhere, but the principle is important - we will receive powerful conceptual damage without "closing" this conflict as close as possible. This will finally close our "major project" if there is still one.
    2) I have already written about this, but I will emphasize it again. After the collapse of the Russian Empire in the early 20th century, Poland gained independence and we, even taking into account the period of its subsequent stay in the socialist bloc, lost this country from the sphere of any influence, including image and management. Poland became the right wing of the gate "to Europe" and continues to be this wing, and it will be, because this is already a strong concept. Without resolving the issue with Ukraine now, we get the left wing of the gate, blocking our access to the EU by land. Considering the status of the Baltic, which has already become a NATO sea and the status of the Black Sea with its straits, which is controlled by a NATO country, the enemy has every opportunity to implement the century-old idea of ​​​​a "sanitary cordon", which will stupidly close our access to Europe tightly.
    There must be an understanding that by leaving Ukraine as a sovereign state, in the near future we will lose the remnants of European projects and influence, trade with the EU will decrease, we will lose potential income and in the long term this will inevitably have a negative impact on us.
    3) Ukraine has already lost many people within the current conflict, if it stays with this and stews in its own juices - they will make a New Myth out of this conflict to replace the old one, cobbled together from shit and sticks and with a thick aroma of red-brown. We must understand that it is THIS new myth that is much more dangerous to us than the previous one, because on its basis it will be possible to cobble together a much more anti-Russian Ukraine than it was before.
    4) The mass of Russian speakers will remain on the other side of the border - these people will be processed with nationalism and discriminated against, in the perspective of one or two generations our cultural influence on these territories will drop to 0. We will lose these people finally - both culturally and economically and, probably, migratory.

    Perhaps I have missed some of the major factors - but I think the gist is clear. In the case of negotiations, we certainly have advantages because we are tired of the war and are stuck. However, there must be an understanding of the colossal disadvantages of not being able to resolve this issue "to the maximum". I did not come up with all this - so do not blame me for being for continuing the conflict, the death of people, etc. Unfortunately, this is all the logic of history. We have already seen how something similar happened with Poland, through a series of conflicts that created the Polish national myth. History is not "the lives of the saints", it is valuable because it does not give funny stories, but analogies of "if-then" chains. Our country often likes to act at the length of a short stick - but this particular story will have very distant consequences and here we really need to evaluate them.
    So that this does not become a problem tomorrow.
    1. -3
      26 January 2025 13: 11
      Whether we are a superpower will depend on the results of the war, not on the chatter on the website.
      Wait and see.
    2. +3
      26 January 2025 13: 34
      And I have a bad feeling that we are being trained to live by the baseboard.
    3. +6
      26 January 2025 15: 34
      What nonsense about a superpower? Russia immediately stopped being one after the USSR, there is simply no economy, resources or people for it.
    4. +4
      26 January 2025 15: 43
      old, molded from sticks and with a thick aroma of red-brown

      More about red in the red-brown Ukrainian myth...
      1. -1
        26 January 2025 16: 05
        You seem to be an adult, but you have forgotten the color of the fascist flag.
        1. +3
          26 January 2025 16: 11
          Yeah, in 1996, the Nazis were trying to get to power under the Nazi flag, during the campaign, vote and lose?.. And you would have written a red myth.. or to be more precise, you are an adult? red-black-white, brown Ukrainian myth... By the way, the Banderites had a red-black one, like the Army of Sandino, the Army of Free People, but the Sandinistas are not even Nazis, but quite the opposite
    5. 0
      26 January 2025 15: 49
      I completely agree with you on all points, but I don’t understand one thing:
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      the question will inevitably arise

      Why do you write in the "future tense"?
      1. +3
        26 January 2025 16: 13
        At the moment, this issue is still open to discussion, since the conflict is not over and, depending on its outcome, our status as a “regional power” or as a “claim for more” may become clearer.
        I probably haven't sufficiently explained why our status is currently unstable. Some may think that we are YET or NOT ALREADY, but in fact, we are still in some kind of intermediate state on this issue. An intermediate state implies that, based on a number of characteristics, we can no longer be classified as a superpower (and these characteristics have increased in number in recent years), but we are still strong and ambitious enough to be classified as a regional power. Our current situation is unstable and strives for certainty, torn between the tendentious and the desired. Rather, we are gravitating toward the tendentious, but circumstances CAN push us to reverse the trend.
        However, CAN does not mean that they will push. For now, however, CAN.
        The pre-war USSR was not a superpower - but circumstances pushed it to become one.
        1. +1
          26 January 2025 16: 22
          Thanks for the detailed answer. hi.
          I really want you to be right.
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          The situation we are in now is unstable and tends towards certainty.

          And after passing a certain “point” (bifurcation, point of no return (if it has not already been passed)) events will develop rapidly.
    6. 0
      26 January 2025 16: 06
      1) In the North-East we started as a "superpower" and from every iron we roared about "Kyiv in 4 days". As a result, now we have what we have - and despite a large army and a bunch of weapons, if the conflict ends with some kind of "truce" the question will inevitably arise - ARE WE STILL A SUPERPOWER?


      Did the US cease to be a superpower after the withdrawal of troops from Vietnam? Did China collapse after the unsuccessful war with the same Vietnam?
      1. +1
        26 January 2025 16: 20
        The USSR also did not cease to be a superpower immediately after Afghanistan, but the general unhealthiness of its organism was aggravated by this and we observed its collapse. The organism of the USA turned out to be healthier (or "fat" to be more precise) and they digested Vietnam.
        In the case of the PRC, the scale of involvement in the Sino-Vietnamese War in terms of human and economic resources was NIGH in relation to the total available to the PRC. It cannot be compared to the Vietnam War or the current SVO either in terms of time or intensity.

        Modern Russian propaganda is based on a number of theses-staples, the red line is the thesis that over the past 25 years we have become stronger. If the apogee of this strengthening will be such a result of the three-year conflict, then this will definitely raise a lot of questions in society, especially the fact that in the future our neighbor (in such a situation) will not go anywhere and will one way or another be active and build up strength.
        1. 0
          26 January 2025 16: 23
          Modern Russian propaganda is based on a number of theses-staples, the red line being the thesis that over the last 25 years we have become stronger...


          Here I am completely calm, any propaganda will explain why we won, whether it was here, in Ukraine, or anywhere else.

          If the apogee of this strengthening becomes such a result of the three-year conflict, then this will definitely raise a lot of questions in society, especially the fact that in the future our neighbor (in such a situation) will not go anywhere and will in one way or another become active and build up its forces.


          They will find someone to blame, Americans, foreign agents, maybe even Shoigu’s deputies will be sentenced.

          our neighbor (in this situation) will not go anywhere and will, one way or another, become active and build up its strength.


          So who is stopping us from building up our strength, building a technological economy, developing science, the army, etc.?
          1. -2
            26 January 2025 19: 20
            They will cut us off from active trade with Europe and then we will, yes, develop science and economy. We had a huge surplus in trade with the EU in our favor. This will not happen with either China or India.
        2. 0
          29 January 2025 03: 17
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          The USSR also did not immediately cease to be a superpower after Afghanistan

          Afghanistan had only a secondary influence on the collapse of the USSR. The USSR was doomed after traitors seized power in the country.
    7. 0
      29 January 2025 03: 10
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      You shouldn't accuse me of being for continuing the conflict, the death of people, etc.


      What if we go to a truce now, will people stop dying? Will the conflict end? All those who believe that a truce will solve at least some of our problems, the rules do not allow further swearing.
  30. +1
    26 January 2025 13: 13
    If it were possible to conclude peace on ironclad conditions that would not be violated for the next thousand years, then I would be all for it! But we know who we are dealing with (I hope that the Kremlin has already realized this). Now Trump is canceling everything Biden did, just like Biden canceled everything Trump did 4 years ago. There is no talk about Zelensky - everything he signs is not worth a sheet of paper. Who are we going to negotiate with THERE?????
    1. 0
      29 January 2025 03: 22
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      If only it were possible to make peace on ironclad terms that would not be broken for the next thousand years

      Even in this case, nothing is guaranteed, the ban on Ukraine joining NATO does not automatically mean that NATO troops will not be there. There are quite a few ways for the West to deceive us, while legally not violating anything.
  31. -5
    26 January 2025 13: 19
    And if so, then after some time (say, 2-3 years) the Ukrainian Armed Forces may strike Russia again, and the military conflict risks resuming.

    Maybe even in 10 years, but there is a safety device against this. For example, in the ceasefire agreement on the part of Russia, make a note that if Ukraine violates it, then Russia can launch a nuclear strike in response.
    1. +2
      26 January 2025 16: 09
      So we can do it now, why put it off? Or can't we? For various reasons (there is a whole complex of these reasons), but we can't?
      1. -2
        26 January 2025 22: 00
        So we can do it now, why put it off? Or can't we?

        Right now it is not profitable. We need to wait for what the Trump administration will offer. Most likely, he will use scare tactics like: if you do not want a truce on my terms, then more severe sanctions and financing of Ukraine. If this is extremely unprofitable for us, then the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine is possible.
    2. +1
      29 January 2025 03: 24
      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
      If Ukraine violates this, Russia may respond with a nuclear strike.

      Following our new doctrine, we should have already struck this blow many times.
  32. +3
    26 January 2025 13: 20
    And it seems to me that Trump is simply enjoying throwing tomatoes in different directions. It's fun, to arrange a global theater of schizophrenia for everyone. While these schizophrenic tomatoes are flying into space, his team can easily evaluate reactions and make plans. That's exactly the time when everyone gets tired of reacting to waves of schizophrenic tomatoes from the White House.
    Well, what else but a schizo-tomato "The George Washington Channel" instead of the English Channel or a proposal for Jordan to take all the Palestinians from Gaza, because Gaza is easier to "cleanse". There is sense here for Washington in probing these nervous reactions. But those who react, in the end, simply go politically crazy.
    1. 0
      26 January 2025 15: 42
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      And it seems to me that Trump while simply enjoys the fact that he can throw tomatoes in different directions.

      Good evening, Mikhail. I also had the same impression.
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      While these schizo-tomatoes are flying into space, his team can easily evaluate reactions and draw up plans.

      Or, all this loud cacophony is a cover for something bigger, which is still “behind the scenes”.
      1. -1
        26 January 2025 18: 27
        He's just going nuts over the "We'll show you now" type. He was a black sheep last time, and now he has the whole all-American "consensus" behind him. A couple of months and this hormonal trash will be over. What's worse is that it's not Trump who's monitoring these attacks and reactions to them. You're right, it's not advisable to react to these attacks now. There's no point in reacting.
        1. 0
          26 January 2025 18: 35
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          It just blows his mind away when he hears something like, "We'll show you now."

          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          A couple of months and this hormonal trash will go away.

          What kind of "hormones" could a "hereditary" businessman of his age and experience have? Moreover, he did not "win" his post in a lottery, but went to it purposefully and single-mindedly from the moment of its loss. He and his team had plenty of time to "calculate" the next steps.
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          What’s worse is that it’s not Trump who’s monitoring these attacks and the reactions to them.

          Well, yes, everyone is watching with bated breath. laughing.
          Although, in general, I understood your message.
    2. 0
      27 January 2025 05: 09
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      And it seems to me that Trump is simply enjoying throwing tomatoes in different directions. It's fun, to arrange a global theater of schizophrenia for everyone. While these schizophrenic tomatoes are flying into space, his team can easily evaluate reactions and make plans. That's exactly the time when everyone gets tired of reacting to waves of schizophrenic tomatoes from the White House.


      There are not many options!
      To divert attention from the drain of Ukraine. Why does Trump need an eternal conflict and huge expenses?
      Perhaps Trump is preparing to withdraw American troops from Europe, in which case the annexation of Canada, Mexico and Greenland looks like a completely reasonable solution, as does control of the Panama Canal.
      1. -2
        27 January 2025 07: 28
        Trump May Be Preparing to Withdraw US Troops from Europe


        Well, it’s as if the US was watering its European flower and raising its baby for this reason. fellow
        It is all very well for Khazin to dream about a new Austria-Hungary and a collapsed Turkey, but we should be realistic.
        1. 0
          27 January 2025 08: 55
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          Well, it’s as if the US was watering its European flower and raising its baby for this reason.


          Trump demands that the EU increase defense spending to 5% of GDP. Is this realistic to achieve?
          Why does he need Greenland if he is not going to leave Europe?
          Europe is preparing for war with Russia, and the United States does not want to get involved in a war with an unknown outcome.
          Most likely, the US would prefer a strong America to a bloody massacre in Europe.
          1. 0
            27 January 2025 09: 31
            5% is more than realistic if the war in Ukraine is frozen.
            And Greenland is precisely because the US, Canada, and EU will be making a common economy. In such a scenario, the hegemon doesn't give a damn about China's power, the resources of the Russian Federation, wait, they will also introduce a common currency. And then, from the mere word "sanctions", everyone else will bring their "gifts of flowers and fruits". Don't pay attention to the fact that now the Euro-elites will destroy, break and threaten them with various punishments, this is an accompanying process.
            1. 0
              27 January 2025 10: 07
              Quote: nikolaevskiy78
              5% is more than realistic if the war in Ukraine is frozen


              For information:
              Germany's GDP is 3,877 trillion euros.
              Germany's budget for 2024 is 476,8 billion euros.
              In fact, 5% is about 50% of Germany's budget, but what about the rest? No one can bear such expenses.

              Quote: nikolaevskiy78
              And Greenland is precisely because the USA, Canada, and the EU will be transformed into a common economy.


              Greenland belongs to Denmark and the EU is unlikely to want to lose hydrocarbons that it can extract itself and that they are currently buying by spending currency. So with Greenland, everything is not simple at all. No one will openly send Trump, but so far he has been told a firm no and this is unlikely to change. Let's see what happens with Canada and Mexico, but the Americans will not see Greenland, as if their ears were not there.

              Quote: nikolaevskiy78
              And Greenland is precisely because the USA, Canada, and the EU will be transformed into a common economy.


              The EU will never agree to a common economy with the US.
              1. 0
                27 January 2025 10: 10
                We survived, but the collective EU won't? They will cut public sector spending in other areas.
                The EU will never agree to a common economy with the US
                .
                Who will ask them?
                This process has been dragging on for a long time. Now they are simply forcing it. You will all see for yourselves soon, why guess. These plans are already 15 years old. It's just that under Trump it will be, well, to put it mildly, emotional, bright, expressive. Obama would have been more restrained.
                1. 0
                  27 January 2025 13: 18
                  Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                  Who will ask them?
                  This process has been dragging on for a long time. Now they are simply forcing it. You will all see for yourselves soon, why guess. These plans are already 15 years old. It's just that under Trump it will be, well, to put it mildly, emotional, bright, expressive. Obama would have been more restrained.


                  Denmark is a rich European country, which has a budget in order even without hydrocarbon production in Greenland. Nothing prevents them from installing drilling platforms around Greenland, laying a pipeline from Greenland to England and providing the EU with gas. Nothing, except the unwillingness to do it. By the way, the distance from Greenland to England is about 1600 km. The length of Nord Stream 2 is 1234 km. The difference of about 400 km is insignificant, and the depths there are not critical. European companies have more experience in building underwater pipelines than American ones.
                  If they make such a decision, they will load the European industry with orders for a long time. After the pipeline is put into operation, the EU will be able to dictate the terms of prices, or send the US, with its ambitions, the Arabs and Russia away for a long time. The only reason they do not do this is that they are saving this resource for the future and if they implement this, the US, the Arab countries and Russia will have nothing to cover the trade balance with the EU. What idiot would give their resources to the US so that the US would pay them with their own resources.
                  1. 0
                    28 January 2025 01: 57
                    Denmark is not "just a rich European country", it is a monarchy with a decent financial leverage, which is expressed in logistics (DSV and MAERSK). The first company is also a derivative of the capital of the former and almost all Danish logistics of the latter. Denmark trades in raw materials, but this is rather a side issue.
                    Trump's attack on Denmark is not only an attack on the Greenland issue, but it is a demand for a share in logistics. The US does not occupy even 10% in transportation, despite the fact that it is an ocean power and all that. It is impossible to merge economic systems without having a logistics connection, so in one place (Denmark) you must take this industry under yourself, another competitive one (Chinese logistics by sea) will be taxed or forced to sell to you too. So do not just look at Denmark, but at transportation in general.
                    I am saying that while Trump is busy with populism and emotions, the reaction to these signals is being analyzed. He is only the first external part of the show, but there is another. You will see that not only Denmark will be in the news, everything connected with maritime traffic will be there. They will also try to reach various "Lloyds". How this will actually be as a result, we will see. Nothing in this world is 100%, but what will be the result in %, that is an interesting question. Just do not forget that resources are important, but logistics is a resource no less. The Chinese did not invest in this in vain.
                    1. 0
                      28 January 2025 02: 47
                      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                      I am saying that while Trump is busy with populism and emotions, the reaction to these signals is being analyzed. He is only the first external part of the show, but there is another.


                      We are watching the development of events. It was not for nothing that Trump voiced vital issues.
                      Greenland is vital for the EU. Whoever controls Greenland controls the Atlantic, and that's in addition to hydrocarbons. The EU would rather go to war with the US than give up Greenland.
                      1. +1
                        28 January 2025 07: 43
                        It is difficult for the EU to counteract the US simply because the elites of Brussels were grown like vegetables in a garden bed precisely for the US. The very phrase "confrontation with the US" seems beyond the pale for them. At least beyond the pale in terms of behavior. Of course, there will be some great theater now, we'll see.
  33. +2
    26 January 2025 13: 29
    Any truce will not last long. During this time, the diasporas will grow stronger. And what will the security forces say? Well, those who are on the budget, not the self-employed.
  34. +3
    26 January 2025 13: 38
    Any negotiations make sense only if you clearly understand both your goals and the goals of the other side, and there is a range in which these goals intersect. As long as "the clear outlines of that very victorious end are unclear" - negotiations are absolutely meaningless.
  35. 0
    26 January 2025 14: 13
    The author is right, peace on the terms of an acceptable compromise is the way out for Russia. And the author is also right that it is not at all necessary that the dancers, having received a respite, will rush for revenge in 2-3 years. Although they are extremely stupefied and completely lost in their heads - but do not forget what this country came to 2025 with. 1/5 of the lands have been lost, the Dnieper is now a border river, direct access to Crimea and the Sea of ​​Azov has been lost, according to various sources up to 400 thousand irretrievable losses, up to 7 million refugees, a significant part of whom will never return, a disorganized economy, the hryvnia, as soon as they stop pouring billions of direct aid every month, will collapse even more, to 50-60 for a greenback,
    embittered and impoverished population, sharp negative demographics, clans fighting for a thinner financial pie, criminality of thugs and sadists returning from the front. They won't be up to a new war with Russia, they just need to keep the country from falling apart.
    1. +2
      26 January 2025 16: 22
      I think I've heard this since 2014 that a little bit and everything will collapse under a pile of problems. Yes, now everything is more serious, but the West will support all this financially as long as the hostile Kiev regime is at the side of the Russian Federation.
    2. -1
      27 January 2025 03: 24
      And who will ask them? How many millions of men are there in Europe for conscription as refugees? If necessary, they will make a decision, pack them up and return them to their motherland. To fight for independence. So there will definitely be a war, no need to build illusions.
    3. -1
      27 January 2025 04: 55
      Quote: Glagol1
      The Dnieper is now a border river


      The Dnieper is not a border river, only its mouth, over a short distance.

      Quote: Glagol1
      embittered and impoverished population, sharp negative demographics, clans fighting for a thinner financial pie, criminality of thugs and sadists returning from the front. They won't be up to a new war with Russia, they just need to keep the country from falling apart.


      One of the options for a truce is an inter-clan massacre to the last Ukrainian, if NATO does not stop it. Therefore, there are only two options to stop the bloodshed in Ukraine - joining Russia or NATO.
    4. 0
      29 January 2025 03: 31
      Quote: Glagol1
      They have no time for a new war with Russia; they just need to keep the country from falling apart.

      You absolutely do not understand the mentality of Ukraine, the only basis of their so-called statehood is rabid Russophobia. They will continue to kill Russians under any circumstances, because otherwise their pseudo-state will not be able to exist.
  36. +2
    26 January 2025 14: 38
    Quote: Roman Efremov
    If it were possible to conclude peace on ironclad conditions that would not be violated for the next thousand years, then I would be all for it! But we know who we are dealing with (I hope that the Kremlin has already realized this). Now Trump is canceling everything Biden did, just like Biden canceled everything Trump did 4 years ago. There is no talk about Zelensky - everything he signs is not worth a sheet of paper. Who are we going to negotiate with THERE?????

    The duration of peace and the existence of Russia in general largely depends on the political leadership of the Russian Federation. The current one needs to be transformed. Otherwise, regardless of the results of the negotiations, we will soon slide into civil war and disintegration.
  37. +3
    26 January 2025 16: 32
    In short, to the point: negotiations on UkrOreikh - only on Russia's terms, everything else is another deception and provocation... Trump and the West "will twist their hips" and "slide their genitals" - but this is all from the "serial" another deception and provocation....
  38. 0
    26 January 2025 16: 51
    If there is no recipe for victory, then of course the war must be stopped. And, in Surovikin's language, the President must make a courageous decision for himself.
  39. +2
    26 January 2025 18: 01
    The biggest mistake is that we think "in the moment", while in the West they think for decades. For example, if you read everything, Ukraine is tired of war. We negotiate, get everything or almost everything and that's the end. But for us it's the end for now, while for the West it's the beginning of a new period of war with Russia. Recruitment is underway for the UkrOreikh army, where volunteers will be generously financed. For this, "refugees" are kicked out of European countries. In the US, the military-industrial complex is deployed at full capacity and is delivering weapons for the armies of Europe, but first of all, Ukraine. In Ukraine, mass propaganda about revenge is being deployed, and murderers and sadists are made into "heroes" and noble "knights" who did not allow the "bloodthirsty Muscovites" to destroy "motherland". A short time passes and shelling and terrorist attacks begin on our territory. The commissions created under the terms of the agreements point-blank do not see this, as was the case for 8 years in Donbass. We can say that as the Ukrainian Fuhrer believes, the Ukrainian army will be reduced by 5 times. Do not forget the experience of the "black Reichswehr" in Germany in the 20-30s, we have already been through this. Even if Trump honestly controls all the conditions of the truce, he has power for four years. It is no secret that the Democrats are already thinking about presenting Michelle Obama as a candidate for the next elections, and this is already serious. This is how everything is going now.
    1. 0
      29 January 2025 03: 35
      Quote: tank64rus
      The biggest mistake is that we think in the moment, while in the West we think in terms of decades.

      I have already spoken about this many times. hi
  40. +3
    26 January 2025 20: 09
    and the SVO pursues limited goals, which consist of control over new Russian regions and maintaining Ukraine's neutrality and non-accession to NATO

    The author, apparently, either forgot or deliberately rejected one of the declared official tasks of the SVO - "denazification of Ukraine", which is simply physically impossible to carry out without TOTAL control over the entire territory of Ukraine.
    1. WIS
      -3
      26 January 2025 20: 41
      Quote: Alexander Timchenko
      tasks of the SVO - "denazification of Ukraine", which is simply physically impossible to implement without TOTAL control over the entire territory of Ukraine.

      Apparently, "the carrot before the donkey" is a motto, not a dish, in the literal sense, for nutrition.
      In general, when people are easily "trained to give away the last crumbs from their "stash" in order to "satisfy the whims of the spoiled" (But that's how it turns out), indulging themselves with trillions, then it is difficult to count on a reasonable answer.
  41. WIS
    -2
    26 January 2025 20: 25
    Therefore, negotiations that would consolidate control over new territories and ensure Ukraine’s neutrality, and possibly a partial reduction of its weapons, seem unlikely given the realities on the ground. not the worst script.

    author he is being disingenuous by offering as material for an argument with this everything completely covered with the “conjunction IF”.
    The position has been opened - no cheese was found in the holes... laughing
  42. -4
    26 January 2025 22: 09
    "According to the same Vladimir Prokhvatilov, with the end of the SVO, the disagreements between Kyiv and Moscow will probably not be resolved, and therefore, after the end of military operations, Kyiv will have the opportunity to begin active rearmament and modernization of its own army"
    / / /
    The author's place is in a mental hospital.
    Or let him take the Unified State Exam if he didn’t go to school.
    Well, let him read where and in what place Berlin armed itself in the 40s and 50s.
    But there was actually a pro-Soviet government of the GDR - essentially our protectorate. And our military contingent stood there for 50 years. And would still be there if not for Gorbachev's jokes.
    And what is this heresy about territories liberated in a year? This is "the average temperature in a hospital". And the fact that ours surrounded and liquidated the garrison in Velikaya Novosyolovka in a matter of weeks (that's right. Novosyolka is a Ukrainian interpretation. I come from those places, so I know), is that somehow outside the brackets?
    And the fact that Britain and France are already talking about introducing a contingent into Ukraine as soon as we stop, the author hasn’t read or heard?
    Well, if you didn’t go to school and didn’t study history, well, read the newspapers.
    By the way, I also have questions for your "military expert".
    He is generally a military man or an expert.
    Of those military experts that I see in the studios on central channels, not one said that we need a truce like air. Where do you find your experts? Share..!
    And the fact that in Ukraine there is formally no one to negotiate with, since there is no legitimate power, is that also a revelation for you? Well, our president has actually stated this more than once.
    Or is the need for negotiations an obsession for you?
    Just in case, read the history of the Great Patriotic War.
    Where we were in 42, 43, 44. And how it all ended in 45
    1. -3
      26 January 2025 22: 13
      Quote: Pavel Kosse
      Or let him take the Unified State Exam if he didn’t go to school.

      Well, it was precisely this Unified State Exam that led to the fact that our education system no longer allows the rules about swearing.
      1. -5
        26 January 2025 22: 16
        I agree with you, dear sir!
        It's just that for citizen Biryukov there is at least some opportunity to read something useful instead of Western manuals)
        1. -2
          26 January 2025 22: 23
          I am also from the generation that was one of the last to receive a more or less Soviet education and experienced the transition towards the end; the difference was already noticeable then.
  43. DO
    0
    27 January 2025 03: 00
    These
    375 meters per month
    include "gestures of good will", that is, the surrender of territories already conquered by the Russian army from almost encircled Kyiv to the Russian border, the surrender of Kherson. And is also the result of still completely insufficient work on enemy logistics - on the notorious bridges, tunnels and depots, which contradicts the basics of military science.
    That is, the liberation of ALL of Ukraine, it seems, must begin first of all with a political decision, without any whining about the "brotherly people" who in the Kursk region do not hesitate to kill Russian old people, women and children.
    And if you listen to the author and go for another deal, the enemy will strike again after a break, and
    will go at least half the way to Moscow, and will commit genocide there, and will massively shell Moscow with drones and cruise missiles.
  44. +2
    27 January 2025 03: 17
    So what will happen? Two will agree and... half the world? And what about the three "de"s then? They turned out to be incomparable with the interests of big business?
  45. 0
    27 January 2025 04: 38
    You shouldn't think that the Russian Armed Forces are not made up of people, but of robots who are ready to serve in difficult combat conditions without rotation (and a normal rotation of mobilized personnel has still not been carried out, because there is no one to replace them) for many years.


    Therefore, negotiations that would secure control over new territories and ensure Ukraine's neutrality, and perhaps a partial reduction in its weapons, given the realities on the ground, do not seem like the worst scenario.


    For some people they may seem so.
    Probably, to understand what is happening and how long it will continue, it is necessary to delve into the history of the Russian Empire and Ancient Rus'.
    In the territories of today's Ukraine, our ancestors participated in many wars. All of them lasted for decades and even centuries.
    It's strange to listen to those who want to finish their military service quickly because they are tired, or their plans have changed and they would probably like to go on vacation to Ukraine, or Russia, or Europe.
    Wars do not last as long as you want, they end with victory or defeat of one of the parties.
    Ukraine is clearly not ready for capitulation, and does Russia need Ukraine’s capitulation if Russia does not need Ukraine as a state entity?
    Without understanding this, there was no need to get involved in this war.
  46. 0
    27 January 2025 10: 58
    The longer the war lasts, the more combat experience the civilian population gains and the phenomenon of the Maid of Orleans appears, when the aristocrats shuddered when they saw that a girl from the people was prepared like a knight, i.e. accustomed to armor and could remove a ring with a spear on the run, and also understood something about the tactics and strategy of a rapid attack. Here the authorities thought about it, killed the self-proclaimed people's leader and hastened to arrange peace with the English because they were afraid of peasant girls - knights.
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  48. -1
    27 January 2025 13: 50
    Quote from Eugene Zaboy
    Wars do not last as long as you want, they end with victory or defeat of one of the parties.

    Wars end the way they end. History is full of examples where neither side was able to achieve significant strategic success and concluded a truce in the hope of future revenge. Korea is an example of this.
  49. -1
    27 January 2025 13: 52
    Quote: DO
    territories already conquered by the Russian army

    Are you discriminating?
  50. -1
    27 January 2025 13: 56
    I will ask the old questions again:
    1) What will the ceasefire give Russia?
    2) What are the causes and goals of war?
    1. +1
      29 January 2025 03: 39
      Quote: Totor5
      1) What will the ceasefire give Russia?

      Nothing good.
  51. 0
    27 January 2025 14: 01
    Quote: Pavel Kosse
    there is no one to negotiate with, because there is no legitimate authority

    The question of legitimacy in military situations is a stupid question. The one who has a machine gun in his hands, so to speak, is legitimate! Power is always seized and held by force. And the rest is all decoration in the period between changes of power. Remember 1993 and the shooting of the Supreme Council. The current period of legitimacy in Russia begins from that year.
  52. -1
    27 January 2025 14: 04
    The author promotes to the masses the idea of ​​Russia's impotence. That Russia could not, and that it must ask for negotiations and mercy.

    The author proposes to merge the remnants of Russians and Russian culture, Odessa and Transnistria with the Nazis, who will finally be able to finish the purge of everything Russian.

    The author agrees that there will be a hostile militarized Nazi state on Russia's borders with a bunch of new Western missiles and probably soon with nuclear weapons.

    The question of a new, more serious war (this time with the European army) will be only a matter of time. The author suggests playing this lottery, maybe it will pass.
  53. -1
    27 January 2025 14: 14
    Quote: Alexander Ra
    Denunciation of Belovezhiya

    What will the denunciation of the Belovezh Accords give you?
    1. +2
      27 January 2025 15: 18
      For us - without recognizing that event as an anti-national sabotage, there is and will be no clarity where we should move. The conceptual level of the country's future is inaccessible to the population, this absurdity is critically dangerous. In particular, when elevating "traditional values" - how does capitalism fit in with the Russian tradition?
      For the West, the dismemberment of the Russian people by renegades, organized by them, is not the norm, but aggression against the people. The West is the aggressor, not the Russian Federation – this also needs to be clear. The consequence for us is that a mobilization regime is necessary.
      1. -1
        27 January 2025 16: 17
        Come on, come on! What's that smell? Something smells like fascism!
  54. +3
    27 January 2025 16: 15
    It is not worth thinking that the Russian Armed Forces are not people, but robots who are ready to be in difficult combat conditions without rotation (and a normal rotation of mobilized personnel has not yet been carried out, because there is no one to replace them) for many years. The same problem applies to the enemy, but, unlike Russia, it carries out total mobilization, catching people on the streets, so it has a much larger reserve. In the Russian Armed Forces, the number of personnel is maintained exclusively by contract soldiers, who are mainly attracted by large financial payments.

    He himself answered what needs to be done. Conduct a partial mobilization and the capitulation of the Kyiv regime will end the war. If this is not done today, then in 5-10 years it will be even worse.
    In 2014 we missed the first chance to finish everything quickly and easily.
    In 2022, they missed the second chance to declare immediate mobilization and finish the SVO by last year.
    If they miss the third chance, then by 2032 they will no longer be able to avoid total mobilization and nuclear war.
  55. 0
    29 January 2025 11: 27
    In recent years, even decades, after the counter-revolutionary coup and betrayal of the so-called elites, this has become a tradition and a natural result of any event. The only successful achievement of the decrepit notorious vertical is the creation of a deeply class society, divided by an abyss not only in the material standard of living, but, most importantly, in the moral and ethical worldview, historical and at the genetic level of true civilizational values. After more than 30 years of hard times of betrayals, treason and lies, it is difficult to expect progress and any protection of national interests from people, traders who put money above honor, who betrayed and destroyed their state, appropriated and sold, destroyed what was created by previous great ancestors, lied and lie. They are all from the 90s, they can't do it any other way, because it doesn't bring personal benefit, when public service is considered as a personal business project, with complete impunity and irresponsibility for the results of their activities. Complete mediocrity, lack of initiative, lack of creativity, total secondary nature and situationality in the actions of all levels of government because there are no statists, personnel policy based on nepotism, clan agreements when professionalism and knowledge of the essence of the issue are secondary and do not matter, once again confirm that traders, capitalism, and even in such a feudal-hereditary form of class society - it's about money and profit, and not about progress and development, i.e. with a liberal globalist worldview.
  56. 0
    3 February 2025 08: 00
    No matter what they say, Russia needs peace, because the war in Ukraine has shown that the state that exists in Russia is not capable of winning wars.