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The fruits of the education reform in Russia: “Maybe something in the conservatory to correct?”

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One of the most "moderated" areas of the Russian Federation for all its new historydefinitely an education. When did educational reform start? - today almost no one remembers. At the same time, no one will say for sure when this reformation will end, and, most importantly, with what. We will try to dive into a retrospective of educational perturbations that have occurred in Russia in recent years, and find out how these changes have affected the average graduate.


Diving into educational metamorphosis, the first thing (not even with the naked eye) you notice that significant "shifts" have affected the higher education system in the country. The number of universities in Russia today just can not name even the Ministry of Education of the country. The mass media are offered only approximate data, which indicate that in the Russian Federation at 2012 a year there were about 1100 universities and about 2000 of various branches. In order to compare with something, and, let's say, so that the field for assessing the progress of the reform would show itself, we give data on the number of universities in the USSR in 1985. So, today in Russia - 1100 universities (plus or minus the “error” of the Ministry of Education and Science), and 28 years ago in the USSR, the number of higher professional educational institutions was 502. As they say, the reform has shown itself in all its glory. But you still can not forget that the population of Russia today is 1,8 times less than the population of the Union in the year 1985.

Together with the number of universities, naturally, the number of students enrolled in these universities has increased. So, today almost 7 millions of people of different ages get higher education. Around the fifth of this figure are individuals who receive a second and subsequent higher education. And the profiles of these second and third "towers" often do not overlap with the profile of the "tower" No. XXUMX. Compared to the USSR sample 1, the number of students in Russia is more than 1985 times!

Reform makes you and I rejoice and applaud the fact of how educated and professional our society has become over the past decades. Only now somehow not up to applause. The fact is that during the same period under review, the number of educational institutions of primary vocational education (talking about vocational schools and their derivatives) preparing workers for production and the service sector declined by 628 units. If you translate into the Russian territorial option, the reduction in the number of educational institutions of NGOs amounted to about 12%, and the reform of optimization (read - reduction) of educational institutions of the NGO system continues. According to the results of monitoring the number of students in primary vocational education institutions for 2012, the following figures are presented: the number of graduates of vocational schools (Vocational schools, colleges and vocational lyceums) was less than 1,5 a million people.

We return to the number of university graduates. They, as already noted, almost seven million. It turns out that the educational system has been reformed in such a way that about 4-5 managers account for every worker ... Even if the number of workers to transfer all graduates of technical schools (and this is about 2,4 million people), it turns out that 1-2 manager. One indicates how to hold the wrench, and the other in circular motions with his hands demonstrates which way to wrap the nut ...

If the Ministry of Education and Science considers such a situation in the country to be a positive achievement of reforming, it is difficult to explain which paradigms are guided there. Perhaps, in the Ministry of Education and Science, a priori, they are sure that two-thirds of those receiving a “crust” about graduation will be replenished by the working strata of the population ... But if so, then forgive me, on what basis do universities and universities like mushrooms grow after the rain? their affiliates are allocated cash. Moreover, these funds are not taken out of the pockets of Dmitry Livanov and his deputies, but from the state budget, that is, from taxpayers' wallets. It turns out that the Russians themselves are sponsoring an army of unemployed university graduates, allocating funds from their income for their new education and retraining ...

The next “achievement” of the Russian educational reform is the widespread introduction of the Unified State Exam for graduates of secondary schools. It would seem that here, too, you need to say thanks to all the ministers of education without exception, starting with Mr. Filippov (now the head of the Higher Attestation Commission), continuing with Mr. Fursenko (now presidential aide) and ending with Mr. Livanov, because theoretically children who studied in distant regions of the federation. Theoretically, everything seems to be the case, but practically ... Educational reform here also presented its surprises.
Firstly, the very schooling itself (especially in the upper grades) has long ago turned from a truly effective educational process into a total training of students for the tests of the unified state examination. And it's silly to blame school teachers for this. They have long been put in the framework when it is the performance of the school in terms of the delivery of graduate classes to the EGE is put at the forefront in evaluating the effectiveness of the educational process. As they say, you can not read Tolstoy, but you must know how many diopters were in Pierre Bezukhov's glasses ...

Secondly, the passing of the USE often turns into nothing more than a profanation. A resident of the Voronezh region Lyudmila N. (the mother of a secondary school graduate) says:

It was in 2010 year. My son did a good job at school, but there were problems with mathematics. They found out which school the city will take the Unified State Exam in mathematics, arrived there and decided to appeal to the teachers for their non-repayable help. They refused, but one of the teachers said that we had better contact the technical staff (cleaner, for example). I didn’t understand how the school cleaner could help us, but then it turned out that my son can take time off to take a toilet twice at the time of the exam. The first time he takes time off is to leave the tasks copied to the sheet in the toilet at the appointed place, from where the cleaner will take them out to the “right people”, and the second time she will go “take out the garbage” again and, taking the tasks decided by the “right people” bring the sheet to the toilet, leave it at the appointed place, whence his son will come and pick it up for cheating. We were surprised that everything was already thought out to the smallest detail ... As a result, we arrived by car with a person who agreed to help us for a reasonable fee. He is right in the machine of the exam in mathematics and we decided. School cleaner also did not disappoint. In general, the son scored a sufficient number of points and entered one of the universities of St. Petersburg.


The undoubted "success" of educational reform can be attributed to the famous Bologna three-stage education system, when after high school professionals can go from bachelor to master. At the same time, it seems, the ideological inspirers of the introduction of this system do not really know why it is needed in Russia. Graduates-bachelors receive a very specific education, which is limited to such a narrow framework that often for the beginning of the direct work of a graduate simply do not have enough knowledge or skills.
Speaking about the classical Bologna system, which aims to cover all the universities of the country, it is necessary to mention more than strange criteria for evaluation. The fact is that to get a credit for a particular discipline, a student needs to gain a certain number of points, and he has the right to choose the section of the discipline himself, the points on which he will accumulate. It turns out that it is simply unprofitable for a student to study discipline in a comprehensive manner, because with this approach, you need to learn more, and it is more difficult to score grades. As a result, for example, in the course “Classical Mechanics”, he chooses the topic “Newton's Laws” and, for a certain number of lectures and seminars, perfectly masters this topic, gaining a sufficient number of points to get a credit. That's just all the other topics of the course pass by him. But for him and for education reformers it does not matter anymore - the main thing in the diploma will be the mark that the graduate passed the credit for the course “Classical Mechanics”. That's just too narrow, he walked along this course ... So narrow that this narrowness obviously will not play for him in the process of real work in the profession.

True, another question arises: how many university graduates work in their specialty today? Even after graduating from famous universities, the number of students employed by the acquired specialty is at best 55-61%. But there are in the country and such universities that graduate students literally to nowhere. The percentage of real (non-fake) employment in the specialties received may tend to zero. This was the educational reform ... If "yes", then it is worth pondering over the adequacy of those individuals who today support both hands with just such an option of educational reform in Russia ...

* The title uses the phrase M. Zhvanetsky.
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  1. radio operator
    radio operator 25 March 2013 09: 08 New
    +6
    Yeah, the reform of education is not kicked only by the dead, because they got even the lazy.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 25 March 2013 09: 28 New
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      Quote: radio operator
      Yeah, the reform of education is not kicked only by the dead, because they got even the lazy.

      I can’t understand one thing - what did not suit the system (and quality) of the formation of the USSR? as far as the Soviet diploma of higher education is known (more precisely, the knowledge gained in Soviet universities) was very much appreciated abroad ...
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 25 March 2013 09: 45 New
        21
        It wasn’t happy that really educated specialists graduated, the reform of education from school to universities was funded by the mattresses' money, respectively, and the result was the same notorious Fursenko said live that the purpose of education in the USSR was to educate a person - creator, person - creator, person The current reform is to educate a competent consumer. That is, anyone will create and create, but not the population of our country! Continued policy of destruction of the country ... hi
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 25 March 2013 09: 58 New
        21
        I got the impression that all these reforms on the Stupor of the nation are being adopted on purpose. For stupid illiterate herd easier to manage. They took all the worst of the EU and comrades. I watched about 20 years ago on our television broadcasting an entertaining program from the USA, our correspondent asked questions about the history of young Americans, they surprised with their stupidity, then it was pride for us. Now our children are the same dumb-headed VEGETABLES.
        1. Hon
          Hon 25 March 2013 10: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Sirocco
          They took all the worst of the EU and comrades

          In the EU, by the way, a very good education, at least in Germany, is not worse than the Soviet one. At the same time, they cook well in all directions, be it a working specialty, engineer or manager.
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 25 March 2013 10: 28 New
            +1
            Well, again, we will call experts from Europe to teach us what we taught them in the past. For all their Prosrali. (((
            1. Yashka Gorobets
              Yashka Gorobets 25 March 2013 11: 33 New
              +7
              Nobody will be brought in, because. There will be no one. There is a massive fooling of the planet's population through education reforms, YU and other instruments. In the USA and Europe, this began much earlier, now we have. But to walk faster along the beaten path, so Russia has every chance to "catch up and overtake" to start actively opposing it now.
              1. kris
                kris 25 March 2013 14: 55 New
                +6
                sheep are easier to manage!
          2. Fox
            Fox 25 March 2013 10: 41 New
            +4
            Quote: Hon
            In the EU, by the way, a very good education, at least in Germany

            my wife's nephews live there ... the youngest finished school ... she's a fool, her son is the same age, we thought the tasks were the same for years, but no, there are only dances until grade 4 and all kinds of crap. multiplication table only by grade 7. , I am "delighted" with the German system.
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 25 March 2013 12: 30 New
              +4
              I’m faced with the following problem: I’ve posted a photo of a hunted animal on Soap, it’s ringing after a while, I’m familiar from Germany, it says why did you post it, my daughter cried all evening, because they teach them to love animals at school, and all that blah from the animal welfare area I had to explain on my fingers that German sausages, sausages, shpig didn’t grow on a tree, and they don’t drip like potatoes. full guard with such an education.
          3. zvereok
            zvereok 25 March 2013 20: 57 New
            +1
            It all comes down to ensuring that we don’t have any chances to produce tools (such as machine tools), and we bought machines in the west, in 30-40 years they will become obsolete, and our products will not be competitive.
          4. a
            a 26 March 2013 13: 56 New
            0
            It’s nothing good, my child studied there and in the states still, I can compare, really narrowly profiled as it is written in the article, and the student does not yet know what he will face in reality at work after school .... therefore education is both stupid and dumb! And no one will tell the student what he really needs to learn and what skills to get. Amba!
        2. homeland
          homeland 25 March 2013 12: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: Sirocco
          Now our children are the same stupid VEGETABLES


          Do you have children? So do not be lazy, dear, find Soviet textbooks and work out yourself in the evening. My mother, too, in notebooks and textbooks of my older sister sometimes drove me ahead of the school curriculum (in the humanities), I was a techie, well, they were not given to me, for which she was grateful. He studied already in a new country, but the teachers were from the Soviet school.
          1. Civil
            Civil 25 March 2013 12: 16 New
            +2
            Perhaps (the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation reads), the oligarchy needs its own "ravshans" and "dzhamshuts" and not educated people!
          2. Aventurinka
            Aventurinka 25 March 2013 12: 21 New
            +7
            Quote: vatan
            So do not be lazy, dear, find Soviet textbooks and work out yourself in the evening

            Verily. Moreover, one has to be in time before they have yet passed another law, according to which homework will be considered violence against a child.
          3. Sirocco
            Sirocco 25 March 2013 12: 30 New
            +2
            At the very core lies a textbook of NVP. laughing
          4. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 25 March 2013 15: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: vatan
            find soviet textbooks

            I forced my children to use textbooks, according to which he himself studied
          5. vjhbc
            vjhbc 25 March 2013 18: 44 New
            0
            and if not, what to do or if he’s not very smart himself, but I want the children to learn and not buy a diploma what to do
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 25 March 2013 22: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: vjhbc
              but I want the children to learn

              Visit your school teachers. Ask them for help, in the sense of "borrow" textbooks from them. Surely there is! (Plyushkin herself - I keep all sorts of developments, books, etc.) or let them advise normal modern ones. There is also, you just do not immediately find it yourself! hi
        3. Bombowoz
          Bombowoz 25 March 2013 14: 43 New
          +3
          The Roman Empire fell at the hands of an illiterate, dull herd. The ending is bleak.
        4. Normal
          Normal 25 March 2013 17: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Sirocco

          I got the impression

          And I am sure that ALL actions of the authorities are conscious and justified (in their own way, of course). There are no fools there, everyone studied according to the Soviet system. Learned .... now this system is destroyed. So it’s profitable for them, so their owners want it so.
        5. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 25 March 2013 19: 31 New
          +1
          In a couple of generations, they will again seriously believe in the hard sky and the stars nailed to it with carnations. lol And into the flat land lying on three elephants standing on a turtle swimming in something ocean-like ... laughing wassat
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 25 March 2013 23: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Kahlan Amnell
            In a couple of generations, they will again seriously believe in the hard sky and the stars nailed to it by carnations.

            Why not? Indeed, in modern training manuals, DICTING how to conduct classes on acquaintance with the outside world, in the older groups of years. Garden, in elementary grades, and it is written: "The sun rises in the east, and sets ...." twist a piece of paper by the tail near the lamp on the table to show the children "day-night", and say that in the old days, people did not know this, that's why they said ... "the sun rises ..." False concepts laid down in childhood, are fixed tightly! And then try to overcome them!
      3. Slevinst
        Slevinst 25 March 2013 10: 11 New
        +4
        the government does not need smart people, if everyone is smart how can they be controlled? no way! They want to make the people .. lom and then destroy the country, I really want to believe that I would be wrong, but the rejection of the Soviet system and the transition to "THIS" says a lot
      4. Gari
        Gari 25 March 2013 10: 56 New
        +2
        The undoubted “successes” of educational reform include the famous Bologna three-stage education system, when professionals from bachelor's to master's degrees can go out after a university. At the same time, it seems that the ideological inspirers of the introduction of this system themselves do not really know why it is needed in Russia — and if they themselves do not know why it is needed, why these reforms are needed, or simply went through reforms everywhere and now get to education.
        Quote: self-propelled
        I can’t understand one thing - what did not suit the system (and quality) of education of the USSR
        and I can’t understand why, if the USSR education system gave so many great scientists, academicians, professors, thanks to whom scientific discoveries were made, they were the first to fly into space, create an atomic bomb, and a peaceful atom, how many atomic stations, construction sites of the century, and much more other
      5. lav566
        lav566 25 March 2013 11: 21 New
        +3
        The fact is that Chubais hated everything Soviet.
        his interview for 2012. Here he and Gaidar cut it all.
        Along with education, Soviet production potential is
        second after the USA.
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 25 March 2013 12: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: lav566
          lav566 Today, 11:21 ↑ new
          - 0 +
          The fact is that Chubais hated everything Soviet.
          his interview for 2012. Here he and Gaidar cut it all.
          Along with education, Soviet production potential is
          second after the USA.

          The question is, why is Putin panicky afraid of Chubais ?, maybe Chubais is the very Cardinal Richelieu who runs the country through Vladimir Vladimirovich.
          1. Normal
            Normal 25 March 2013 17: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: valokordin
            The question is, why is Putin panicky afraid of Chubais ?, maybe Chubais is the very same Cardinal Richelieu

            Chubais is invited to meetings of the Bilderberg Club, but Putin is not. Everyone draws conclusions for himself. Mine is Chubais overseeing Russia, and Putin is just a Zitz-chairman (for the Bilderberg, of course). All the contradictions between the GDP and the West because the West cannot allow the vice-chairman to conduct his policy, and Putin wants to be not a "pillar noblewoman, but a mistress of the sea."
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 26 March 2013 01: 51 New
              +5
              It seems that in the light of current events, the GDP will still have to decide on the question: "Who in Russia is higher on the wall?"
      6. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 25 March 2013 14: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: self-propelled
        I can’t understand one thing - what did not suit the system (and quality) of the formation of the USSR?

        I think for several reasons:
        1. Thinking people are not needed (if someone has forgotten or did not know - "Engineer" in translation - "inventor"). For example, my brother's wife forgot the proof of the theorem during the introductory period. Proved in her own way, long, but correct. The examiner gave an "excellent" for creativity. Is it possible with the exam? Thinking people are dangerous for the authorities.
        2. Stupidity, incompetence, greed of officials and "scientists" from education.
        3. I think that now in institutes it is the same as in schools - servility towards directors and head teachers is the key to a higher salary. The system is the same.
        Items can be continued
      7. luka095
        luka095 25 March 2013 20: 38 New
        +2
        Apparently, because it’s Soviet. She was not trained to receive money from students.
        For reference, in the eighties, UNESCO praised the Soviet education system and recommended it almost as a reference.
    2. Trance
      Trance 25 March 2013 10: 41 New
      +5
      Why all these distortions? Why is this a mind-blowing decline? Who needs this confusion in thought and in language creativity? ??

      There can only be one answer: all this is necessary for the enemies of national Russia. Them; namely im, and only im.

      .

      I remember how, in 1921, I put up the question to Manuilov, why did he introduce this ugliness; I remember how, without thinking of defending what was done, he helplessly referred to Gerasimov's insistent demand. I remember how, in 1919, I asked the same question to Gerasimov and how, referring to the Academy of Sciences, burst out with such a rude flash of bite that I turned and left the room, not wanting to let my guest such tricks. Only later did I find out which member of what international organization was Gerasimov.
      Ilyin I.A.
      [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_embedded & v = bCwXN1Hx0YQ]
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 March 2013 10: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Trance
        Why all these distortions? Why is this a mind-blowing decline? Who needs this confusion in thought and in language creativity? ??

        There can only be one answer: all this is necessary for the enemies of national Russia. Them; namely im, and only im.

        Trans, kindly switch to Russian! With your nationalism at a rally in posters you will write like that.
        1. Trance
          Trance 25 March 2013 11: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Trance
          Why all these distortions? Why is this a mind-blowing decline? Who needs this confusion in thought and in language creativity? ??

          There can only be one answer: all this is necessary for the enemies of national Russia. Them; namely im, and only im.

          Trans, kindly switch to Russian! With your nationalism at a rally in posters you will write like that.


          Hi Sash hi
          Yes, there’s nothing to translate. Reforms, which began in 1917, do not stop. Only in the USSR was I.V. Stalin, and now he is not :(
          But in general, Alexander, take an interest in the work of Ivan Alexandrovich Ilyin, you will learn a lot for yourself hi
        2. Light source
          Light source 25 March 2013 23: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Trance be kind go over go to Russian! Russian. With his nationalism at a rally в You’ll write on the posters.

          First, you yourself need to do this.
          Secondly, Trance wrote in Russian, but it is clear that he is not your native.
      2. El-bog
        El-bog 27 March 2013 04: 19 New
        0
        Do not tell me where you can order such a keyboard?)
    3. nakaz
      nakaz 25 March 2013 11: 50 New
      +2
      And on the other hand, the quality of education has fallen dramatically.
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 25 March 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      Quote: radio operator
      education reform doesn't only kick the dead

      And they need to be kicked, because education is the basis of the formation of a person, personality. Who are we forming now? There is little thinking consumer who is not inclined to analyze, thinking according to the pattern of the test system.
      The main reforms began in 2004 with the arrival of an old acquaintance of Putin in the St. Petersburg cooperative "Lake" Fursenko as ministers. They are still going on, Fursenko is an advisor to the president. We are not abandoning our own.
      You can increase.
  2. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 25 March 2013 09: 17 New
    +5
    Again "rake race". There was already such a thing in the Union. A lot of people received a "tower", but there were not enough workers and middle managers. Then they grabbed their heads and began to create "techies", and now? Hardly anyone will scratch ...
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 25 March 2013 10: 04 New
      +7
      I read the article, once again made a conclusion, we must return the Soviet system of education!
      today in Russia there are 1100 universities (plus or minus the “error” of the Ministry of Education and Science), and 28 years ago in the USSR the number of higher education institutions was 502.

      leave these 502 HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS, close all paid departments and all branches of dengososy, and raise vocational education (vocational schools) to the level of technical schools and colleges. Unified State Examination, and then something many stoobalkniks from the Caucasus who can not even fill out applications without errors, universities must also decide who to take.
  3. MuadDib
    MuadDib 25 March 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    I heard from my sister, she is in the 11th now learning that because of the Unified State Examination, students from the outback are more likely to pass exams well. Because some serious commission is less likely to go to the village. And about teachers, so some do not know how to prepare for the exam, while others do not even think about it. So my sister goes to tutors :(
    1. rereture
      rereture 25 March 2013 15: 38 New
      +1
      Himself from the hinterland, passed the exam, we were trained in additional classes from the 10th grade, in 11 they began to cook in ordinary classes, sometimes to the detriment of the school curriculum.
      But what was my surprise that one classmate (a C grade student, scored for extra classes and rarely appeared at school) "scored" 95 points for the Russian language, the same for history, and social studies.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 25 March 2013 17: 24 New
        0
        Quote: rereture
        But what was my surprise that one classmate (a C grade student, scored for extra classes and rarely appeared at school) "scored" 95 points for the Russian language, the same for history, and social studies.

        Elementary Watson! If you know the correct answer for sure, mark the corresponding item, and if you do not know the answer, then simply mark all items "b", for example, in all questions. And you collect the right amount! fellow
  4. valokordin
    valokordin 25 March 2013 09: 22 New
    +9
    Quote: radio operator
    Yeah, the reform of education is not kicked only by the dead, because they got even the lazy.

    If you want to destroy something, start reforms. How are they, a plaque fly, tired of both reform and reformers, and what kind of itching in their ass, as with hemorrhoids. What an excellent education system was in the USSR, but these reformist nits killed it.
  5. Peter76
    Peter76 25 March 2013 09: 23 New
    +1
    Of our children just make.
  6. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 25 March 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    All this tumultuous activity to reform education is needed exclusively and only to justify the presence of a wild number of officials from education! Even in small cities, the darkness of all sorts of bosses, methodologists, inspectors, controllers, etc. And in the field !!! .... And each of them is trying to implement something! Darkness wanders all sorts of techniques! But the sense is becoming less and less every year. Young guys come to work to get a job and are unable to write an autobiography without help! If in the USSR it was believed that a student who had successfully passed a compromising note was already more difficult to face in his life and would therefore marry, then now .... What kind of compromising evidence? There is a school physics course and that one is not understood!
    The simplest example is to ask ANY graduate of the school what a caliper is or, God forbid, ask Ohm's law for a section of the chain. 99% haven’t heard of this!
    1. Fornit
      Fornit 25 March 2013 20: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: hohryakov066
      All this tumultuous activity to reform education is needed exclusively and only to justify the presence of a wild number of officials from education! Even in small cities, the darkness of all sorts of bosses, methodologists, inspectors, controllers, etc. And in the field !!! .... And each of them is trying to implement something!

      And also so that the funds allocated for the "reform" can be cut "correctly" ... In muddy water, as you know, it is easier to catch fish ...
  7. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 25 March 2013 09: 26 New
    +5
    Since those days when I was in school, I thought, why is the entire education system built only on an authoritarian presentation of information? the main merit of any student so far, not the ability to think, not the desire to develop, the main thing is to memorize the postulates offered by the system by heart. And therefore the best is not the one who knows how and wants to think, but the one who has elementary memory is better. If instead of the student to train the computer, here would be an ideal example. Why school reform does not go towards identifying the student’s abilities, and their development, why the student is smart, but without a phenomenal memory, will always be in the middle peasants. The school should not be just a place where children are given a set of knowledge, it is a place of educating a person, it is from this that the school completely departed. Universities and vocational schools give professional skills.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 25 March 2013 09: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      And therefore the best is not the one who knows how and wants to think, but the one who has elementary memory is better.

      No, now everything is changing, the ability to independently acquire knowledge is beginning to be assessed. The worst thing is that the prestige of an educational institution is assessed by the number of points scored on the exam. The exam must be taken in Russian and mathematics. Two, three optional subjects. The rest of the subjects can not be taught, education can be done on paper. There is such a formulation in pedagogy “Education without upbringing is immoral”. A striking example is to study computer technologies in order to hack sites, steal money from bank accounts, ........ And the most scourge is papers, papers, ,,,,,,,,
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 March 2013 01: 56 New
      +5
      Add to this a MONSTERY lucrative business on annually reprinted textbooks ...
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 26 March 2013 10: 08 New
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        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Add to this a MONSTERY lucrative business on annually reprinted textbooks ...

        That's for sure, you can only teach using new textbooks and programs, three years and the textbook is outdated. If we compare the "new and old textbook" then the differences are only in the year of issue and the price.
  8. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 25 March 2013 09: 26 New
    +6
    One can only add about the initial training. Granddaughter goes to first grade. Textbooks and all kinds of testing are material for Zadorny and the masters of his genre. And the volume of tasks given. How specifically so that children from the first grade began to hate the acquisition of knowledge. Maybe they’re doing reforms for this?
    My opinion is the current academicians and specialized institutes - parasites and ignoramuses who were able to destroy the best school in the world. At a minimum, we must return to the Soviet experience, which in turn grew out of pre-revolutionary education. No doubt, there is a need for reform, a lot of knowledge has appeared that was not a hundred years ago. But, what is being done now is the destruction of the intellectual potential of the country.
    Article-plus, one could put two-would put.
    1. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 25 March 2013 16: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      My opinion is the current academics and specialized institutes - parasites and ignoramuses,

      The conclusion is wrong.
      There was and is an order of the authorities to reduce education to the level of the plinth, and these are the shots that work their bread out with sweat.
      And whose order in this area is fulfilled by our government, the question, I think, is rhetorical ...
      Fursenko directly stated that the country needs not creators, but consumers.
  9. Vanek
    Vanek 25 March 2013 09: 32 New
    +3
    so that for every worker there are about 4-5 managers ...

    The spouse has work, according to estimates - 1,2 managers per employee.

    But on the exam. I heard riding a minibus. It looks like a graduate. And about the following words:

    - Question. What hat did Rostova have when she arrived at the ball?

    Type of such something. It doesn’t matter. Yeah me, damn it, what's the difference in what she was wearing?

    Newton's apple in the head, the one who comes up with questions.
    1. qwert
      qwert 25 March 2013 09: 43 New
      12
      This would be N. Rostov’s hat to the test developer in a famous place. And forbid the week to extract from there. But the Tale of the real man B. Polevoy was removed from the program, and Solzhennitsin was introduced.
      So that Solzhennitsin’s volume to these reformers in the same place and for the same period. IMHO!
      1. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 25 March 2013 10: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: qwert
        So that Solzhennitsin and these reformers

        Only flat, I repeat - only flat, and not for a week, but until he comes out.
      2. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 25 March 2013 11: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: qwert
        So that Solzhennitsin’s volume to these reformers in the same place and for the same period. IMHO!

        be careful, comrade, because this place is customary to lick, remember who was the initiator of the study of Solzhenitsyn at school
        http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/163789
    2. Hon
      Hon 25 March 2013 10: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      Question. What hat did Rostova have when she arrived at the ball?

      It is precisely such questions that the Unified State Exam consists of, my brother looked, had a desire to give in the face to the one who invented this crap !!!
  10. fenix57
    fenix57 25 March 2013 09: 36 New
    +4
    And the USE, it’s definitely necessary to cancel it. This is not an exam, this is a test. The introduction of the USE has led to a noticeable decrease in the quality of education in secondary schools ....
    After all, the sample was takenand the american model, about which the famous American Bill Gates expressed himself very clearly: "the American education system has actually died, because it has completely lost its fundamental character." And we have these, figures "all American shit" to themselves.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 25 March 2013 10: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      This is not an exam, this is a test


      I remember four exams at school. Russian, math and two to choose from. What else was needed?

      Surrendered - then surrendered. Not passed - in the second year. Now I do not know. There are no second year students after the exam?
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 25 March 2013 12: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Vanek
        There are no second year students after the exam?

        In the 11th grade they don’t leave for the second year, only in the tenth .. How many points you scored, get so many. A month later (in my opinion), if below the norm (2 in the old) I typed, retake. Universities put up a passing ball. You look where you can go by the number of typed by you, send the paper. They send you or on the Internet - you are credited. All you do not need to travel, prepare in the summer, ................. Only your points are not eternal. Two years later, I decided to act, on the new you pass the exam.
        1. Black
          Black 25 March 2013 12: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Bort Radist
          In the 11th grade they don’t leave for the second year, only in the tenth ..

          At 10, too, do not leave for a second year of study. 2 options - college or individual (family) education.
    2. Bronis
      Bronis 25 March 2013 13: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      And the USE, so it is definitely necessary to cancel.
      They will not cancel it, although they can also "cut it off".
      Basically, the idea was sound. We refuse exams at school and university, we introduce one - and every talented student from the provinces will be able to enter, for example, Moscow State University or MGIMO. But it was not so ... First, the USE does not test knowledge, but makes a rating. And so his assignments in parts B and C often go beyond the educational standard. Accordingly, additional classes and tutors are needed. Not everyone has money for them. Already inequality. Plus, for Moscow State University and a number of "main" universities they left the right for additional tests. Everyone has arrived. Well, the test form itself is an interesting question. If in the exact sciences it can be applied, then in the literature - not very much.
      1. Normal
        Normal 25 March 2013 18: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Bronis
        In principle, the idea was sound. We refuse examinations at school and university, introduce one - and each talented student from the outback can enter, for example, at Moscow State University or MGIMO.

        Not sure if the idea is so robust. A talented student from the hinterland could pass an exam at a university before.
        But a horseman from the Caucasus, even if he had only A's in his certificate (we understand how this is done), had to pass the exam anyway or carry a "gift" to the selection committee. Not everyone had enough funds for a gift, and they would not take a stranger in commission.
        Now Lafa. The exam is surrendered at home, and corruption in the Caucasus has always been an order of magnitude higher than that in Russia. In addition, nepotism and family ties in the Caucasus are very strong. And here is the result - almost 100 points in Russian for applicants from the mountains who speak Russian with difficulty.
        It is naive to think that supporters of the introduction of the USE could not have assumed this. I repeat, there are no fools in power.
        I think that the introduction of the Unified State Exam is one of the measures to pacify the Caucasus and replace the Slavic protest ethnic group with Caucasian supporters of GDP
        And education can also be sacrificed when it comes to maintaining power
  11. qwert
    qwert 25 March 2013 09: 40 New
    +7
    And here is what Minister of Education Fursenko said, which destroys this education and has almost destroyed it: "The drawback of the Soviet education system was an attempt to create a Human Creator, and now our task is to grow a qualified consumer." Like this! End quote, dear brothers and sisters.
    Source: Transmission No. 244 from 10. 09. 2011 academician V.P. Filimonov, 29: 21, okofinista. com / audio_1. html

    And that says it all. Here it is education. This is who they are preparing to replace dying creators. And universities of training bank employees and various salespeople there, image makers and PR specialists are really becoming more and more.
    1. scrabler
      scrabler 25 March 2013 09: 53 New
      +4
      So it seems there is already a huge country of three letters inhabited by consumers. Humanity will not pull another one the same ... what
  12. andrejwz
    andrejwz 25 March 2013 10: 07 New
    +5
    The reform was started as one of the elements of the destruction of Russia, and all the zigzags of the reform are a constant delay of the reform process itself so that on the way to the degradation of the education system (promises did not work out right away, wait this time we will fix, it will be better) the point is not return - when there are no teachers working in the education system of the USSR either in universities or schools. The goal is destabilization and rolling from the first positions into the tail or under the tail of development.
  13. Kolya
    Kolya 25 March 2013 10: 35 New
    +2
    All the flaws in the education system, medicine, etc. rooted in corruption. And corrupt officials deliberately divert from the main reason. Corruptioners need to hang, such as Serdyukov - on Red Square. And then suddenly it turns out that our traditional education system is the best in the world.
  14. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 25 March 2013 10: 36 New
    0
    [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = UjPWimyFYrU]

    Well, actually that's what we're going to ...
  15. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 25 March 2013 10: 37 New
    0
    This is what we are going to:
    [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = UjPWimyFYrU]
  16. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 25 March 2013 10: 38 New
    0
    [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = UjPWimyFYrU]
  17. dark_65
    dark_65 25 March 2013 10: 49 New
    +8
    What to write about ... teachers (although still those) what and how we control in the lives of our children? What do we teach them ourselves? Or is the school responsible only for this? After all, it’s ours, it’s our children, and check them, give them an extra hour, who forbids us? At least just check the tasks every day, and not selectively, make them read at least some book ....
  18. SPACE
    SPACE 25 March 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    The modern education system makes users out of people. Why Know Ohm's Law? You just need to know how to plug into a power outlet, and which button to press to get the result.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 25 March 2013 11: 10 New
      +2
      Today we poke buttons on it. Future generations, with such an education, the plug in the ear is stuck and finally numb.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 25 March 2013 11: 34 New
        +2
        Not a plug, on bluetooth or wifi, the matrix
  19. SPACE
    SPACE 25 March 2013 11: 31 New
    0
    yes matrix.
  20. 120352
    120352 25 March 2013 11: 44 New
    +9
    Once started as a teacher. He was the head teacher, director of the school. He defended his thesis (at that time the diploma was not bought or sold), was invited to the university. There he defended his doctorate. Head of the department. And all the years after the collapse of the Union I was forced to observe how the quality of knowledge of applicants and students was decreasing. Naturally, he was not silent. Therefore, upon retirement I received an "offer" to go to work in a branch. And there is generally HORROR! There are students who are capable of learning, but this is an exception. And how to teach a person who, having entered "by submitting documents and paying for tuition," does not understand and speak Russian ?! And there are half of them. In my new position, I am just a professor, with no authority whatsoever. Attempts to adequately assess, not even knowledge of my subject, we are not talking about this, and the ability to understand and speak Russian led me to the decision to leave. If I hadn’t accepted it, the “bosses”, interested only in the number of students and timely payment of “tuition”, would have accepted it. The majority of such "educational institutions" are in Russia today. We no longer train specialists, but sell diplomas in installments.
  21. elmi
    elmi 25 March 2013 11: 55 New
    +4
    Our education the West so simply will not let go
  22. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 25 March 2013 12: 05 New
    +3
    As in a modern driving school, the task is not to teach driving, but to train to pass the exam. How he (she) will then ride, it does not bother anyone ...
  23. WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 25 March 2013 12: 19 New
    +3
    Good afternoon. I have (according to the min.image ...) curricula to compose according to the "requirements of 2000-2012." , BUT, I read the subject ("technical mechanics") in lectures (textbooks from the 60s and 70s (!) Do not be surprised, not one of my listeners has fallen asleep at the lectures, there are questions and even sometimes they use photo shoots from the blackboard ... And I hope that my boys will also remember, as I do with the kindness of my "old teachers ... 70s" !!!
  24. Klim
    Klim 25 March 2013 12: 27 New
    +2
    Everyone understands that the next generation is being dumbfounded and nothing is being done. I am becoming more and more confident that in the USSR there was a very powerful tool to combat liberal anti-popular ideas, in the West it was called the Iron Curtain and I would call it quarantine from liberal sadomy, anti-human ideology and perverted moral principles. Here is the problem of education is only one of many born of the lack of ideology and the very quarantine.
  25. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 March 2013 12: 39 New
    +2
    <<< One of the most "modernized" spheres of the Russian Federation in its entire new history, of course, is education. >>>
    Strange if it would be different. After all, it is through the educational system of Western gaming democracy that does not leave
    plans for Euro-assimilation of Russia, it is possible to effectively influence the younger generation to educate it in the spirit of REFUSING traditional values ​​developed for centuries in Russia and preserved by it as the basis for the existence of Russian civilization and its integration in exchange for Western lesbian-gameocratic values ​​as, supposedly, more modern, in keeping with the spirit of the times. It is amazing that this is happening openly before the eyes of our large scientific community, which has brought up not a single generation of prominent figures in science and industry. Why is she silent? Why doesn’t she DEMAND from the authorities in the name of preserving Russia to STOP the destructive experiment with Russian education, leading to the bydlodization of society, turning it into a society of stupid CONSUMERS, finally expel in the neck and bring to justice the experimenters - all these liberal-reformist profursetki!
  26. Black
    Black 25 March 2013 13: 26 New
    -2
    The article had a question: when did the reforms begin? So, reforms in the education system are ongoing, as long as this system exists. This is her normal state - to adapt to a developing society.
    Opponents of the reforms, tell me, do you really think that in a fundamentally changed country, in a country in which the social, economic system has changed, the education system may remain the same?
    Well - no! Truth?
    Reforms were needed. And they are needed now. Another question is that something was done so that something was unsuccessful.
    Positive aspects of school reform.
    - differentiation, profile selection
    - the quality of filling material on humanitarian subjects
    - Examination. No need to shout stupidly - everything is bad. They gave an example - how a cleaning lady helped solve the problem! Well, and how many such cleaners? For 90-2000 years it was impossible to enter a university without a bribe. The exam has hit corrupt schemes in the university system - and this is the lobby that most shouts about the harmfulness of the exam.
    - colossal money that came to schools as part of modernization.
    Schools over the past 10 years have become qualitatively 2 orders of magnitude higher !!!!

    Минусы.
    -EHE ... In humanitarian subjects, literature, history, Russian. Must cancel.
    - destruction of the vocational education system
    - degradation of the system of extracurricular education
    - and most importantly !!!!! - the emergence of universities, which essentially became a store selling diplomas about some kind of education there.
    There were about 6 universities in Volgograd. There was a competition, the most trained guys were in them, there was the prestige of higher education. At the exit were in demand.
    Now it’s a dozen 2. 50-70% of graduates enter. - and those who can and those who can not !!!! They don’t teach anything, the programs do not meet the standards. Checks (testing students) falsely brazenly and falsely.
    From this we must begin, close all commercial universities, prohibit paid education,
    - and worthy will go to universities.
    1. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 25 March 2013 19: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Chen
      The article had a question: when did the reforms begin? So, reforms in the education system are ongoing, as long as this system exists. This is her normal state - to adapt to a developing society.

      You are confusing concepts. Adjustment for a developing society is evolution or, as it is now fashionable to say, modernization.
      The Soviet education system was based on the tsarist (which, admittedly, was not bad), and there is nothing shameful in this, because provided the necessary quality.
      But we have had a breakdown of one system and a replacement with another, obviously worse, but corresponding to the task of educating the consumer.
      Quote: Chen
      in a country in which the social, economic system has changed, can the education system remain the same?

      Maybe with minimal changes.
      Quote: Chen
      Positive aspects of school reform. - differentiation, choice of profile

      In fact, this leads to limited thinking.
      The "right nostril" specialist finds himself in a helpless state when it comes to the left.
      I will give an example from my own experience.
      It was necessary to recruit a group to solve a complex of technical problems in the amount of 30 people.
      8 people were taken from old cadres, new ones were recruited on the basis of the principle of "liberated thinking", i.e. a problem with a known solution was given and it was necessary to propose solutions that differed from the generally known one. So, out of more than 300 applicants, 8 were also selected with difficulty.
      For those who did not pass the test, any deviation from the standard was perceived as a crime punishable by execution.
      Quote: Chen
      - the quality of filling material on humanitarian subjects
      That's literacy fell at times, but it is better to remain modestly silent about knowledge of history.
      Quote: Chen
      - Examination. No need to shout stupidly - everything is bad.
      You are right, you need to shout sharply!
      Quote: Chen
      Schools over the past 10 years have become qualitatively 2 orders of magnitude higher !!!!
      You want to say that instead of two-three-story schools, we have 20-30-story schools? laughing
  27. Humpty
    Humpty 25 March 2013 13: 59 New
    +1
    We were taught at school that the word Motherland is written with a capital letter, now in articles they usually write with a small letter. What, the rules of the language have changed or is it a struggle with the "totalitarian" past))
    1. scrabler
      scrabler 25 March 2013 16: 56 New
      0
      By the way in the topic) I wrote an article yesterday about the Origin-12 smoothbore gun. In the phrase "the homeland of weapons is the United States," he wrote his homeland on the machine with a small one, but when he already talked about our Motherland, then on the machine with a big smile Then he remarked, laughed to himself and corrected, and there, and so on a large letter, as once taught. Still, the United States for someone is the motherland.
  28. homosum20
    homosum20 25 March 2013 14: 21 New
    +4
    I like to talk a lot and beautifully.
    But on this subject, I have no words that moderators would miss.
    Some mats.
    I know why I swear - my daughter is a 1st year student at the Leningrad Polytechnic.
  29. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 25 March 2013 14: 36 New
    +3
    I remember Fursinko said that the main task of modern education is to educate the user. I can not vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but something like that. Why fundamental knowledge to the buyer of the washing machine? According to the Unified State Examination: my familiar history teacher (a very smart woman) directly says that there is separate knowledge of history, and there is the ability to pass the Unified State Examination. They intersect little with each other. I remember going on a bus, as always I read a book, my grandmother came up to me and asked if you had arrived from a time machine from the past. The question was asked precisely because of my reading. Modern youth do not read in principle, many because of this habit consider me a bore, and in the 60 poets they collected full stadiums.
  30. leon-iv
    leon-iv 25 March 2013 15: 07 New
    +1
    As always, they wrote))))
    Here is the opinion of the University Worker (my father)
    Examination allows real children from areas to go to college. Lazy people and those who paid leave after 1 session. EMNIP from the next UG will be introduced additional exams at universities. Branches need to be reduced and closed paid universities.
    And then it comes to the ridiculous wife of the headman in a group specializing in jurisprudence (while in the decree receives the 2nd highest) from her 50 learn from the city and regional administration. Unprecedented in no lesson and not a single session did not pass.
    Here is the opinion of a physics teacher (my mother)
    Unified State Examination cannot be especially memorized blocks B and C. As someone who studied at that they surrendered.

    Threat before you resent try yourself to pass this exam.
    1. rereture
      rereture 25 March 2013 15: 45 New
      0
      I agree completely, 12 people were expelled from the parallel group after the winter session. Here is the result.
    2. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 25 March 2013 19: 54 New
      0
      Quote: leon-iv
      Threat before you resent try yourself to pass this exam.

      He graduated from high school in the mid-70s.
      For the sake of laughter, I decided to test the exam, they did not cause problems.
      What's wrong?
  31. tarks
    tarks 25 March 2013 17: 13 New
    +2
    ... At the same time, it seems that the ideological inspirers of the introduction of this system themselves do not really know why it is needed in Russia. ...

    and Russia does not need it. Westerners need it in Russia.
  32. Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych 25 March 2013 18: 33 New
    0
    I can’t understand why! Why did they start these reforms ?! Was there a bad education in the USSR!? I doubt it ...
  33. cobalt
    cobalt 25 March 2013 19: 53 New
    +1
    Zadornov speaks well of the ege, here is a short video, but you can search for his other performances.
  34. AlexMH
    AlexMH 25 March 2013 22: 33 New
    +1
    About the exam. For six years (before the USE) I worked in the selection committee of my university (technical, one of the best universities in the country) deputy. Executive Secretary of our faculty. I have never come across a fact that someone would act for a bribe (and not a single transfer passed by me). Thieves were, yes, but 3-4 percent of the total number of applicants. And try not to take them when they come with a resolution from the rector. But in general, exams and admission were fair. The works were encrypted, honest people with very good salaries worked in the examination committee. Now with the exam. Now in my place there is a person who is engaged in tutoring and solves problems for his students at the USE. By phone. I don’t know how they agree there, and I won’t blame him, but it’s a fact. People come from Tmutarakan, especially from the Caucasus, with 100 points in physics and / or mathematics. We must accept. And then they must NOT be expelled, because the contingent of students is the budget of the university. Despite this, now there is the 5th course, which we took for the first time in the USE - they already drove them 2/3 (!), And still there is no contingent, in two groups - 12 people are smart ... two of them. The situation is reproduced from year to year. First, we are fighting for recruitment, then for the contingent, because it’s money, and then such engineers (and now even bachelors - it’s a horror, trying to shove something that shoved in 4 in a dumb head in 6 years) go to work in industry . Or better not let them go. I am glad that our, teachers, the value in the labor market is growing (I already read advanced training courses for my graduates, but for other money). The prospect of our country is terrifying. Universities like a flea on a dog, you don’t need to study at all - pay and get a diploma. Well, for now we are holding on, but they are already talking about paid courses for lagging behind, and paid retakes. But these are both doctors and teachers who study like that. WHY is this being done? And each leadership initiative is worse than the previous one. It used to be called wrecking. Now it is the modernization, innovation and introduction of new technologies in the educational process with some excesses.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 March 2013 23: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: AlexMH
      And each leadership initiative is worse than the previous one.

      "Let Dunka go to Europe!" - the professor exclaimed (play "Lyubov Yarovaya")
  35. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 March 2013 23: 44 New
    0
    Did they go on whining? Well now workers are not needed. It is more profitable to hire skeworked churkabes instead. At the summit construction sites, mostly lumps worked. Although he does it, it’s cheap. But any manager will find work for himself in love. And in which case he can once again find / change work. But a high-class worker special, outside of his workshop / department, fuck nobody needs. And the youth understands this very well.
    1. anip
      anip 26 March 2013 05: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      But any manager will find work for himself in love. And in which case he can once again find / change work. But a high-class worker special, outside of his workshop / department, fuck nobody needs. And the youth understands this very well.

      Quite right! It is only "top managers" who shout that, they say, a highly qualified specialist will always find a job. How is it? How many employers know that this person looking for a job is a cool locksmith, that one is a super turner? And it is better to sit in an office for 20 thousand rubles than to work at a factory for 15 thousand, and even for the same twenty.
  36. anip
    anip 26 March 2013 05: 43 New
    +2
    I read the article, then read the comments.
    Everyone is outraged by the so-called education reform. However, look how you yourself wrote in the comments. Half of the comments, if not more, with spelling, grammar and stylistic errors. And this is in texts so small in volume! In posts, authors almost always make the most primitive standard errors. People, yes you start with yourself, watch your literacy, what have these "reforms" to do with it? And try to teach your children something yourself.
  37. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 26 March 2013 13: 20 New
    0
    Those implementing such mediocre reforms need