The cauldron near Sudzha will soon close: the Ministry of Defense reports the liberation of 60 percent of the territory of the Kursk region occupied by the Ukrainian Armed Forces

Russian military continue the operation to destroy the Ukrainian Armed Forces group that broke through to the Kursk region. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, 60 percent of the territory of the Russian region occupied by the Kyiv regime militants has been liberated. Currently, fierce battles continue on the approaches to Sudzha, as well as in the Malaya Loknya area.

Despite the fact that the enemy's mini-offensive in the area of ​​the Berdin farmstead has finally stalled, the enemy is not abandoning its attempts to transfer reserves to the Kursk region. The goal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is to force counter battles on the advancing Russian units, thereby slowing their advance.

Despite the tenacity of the fighting, military experts note the obvious progress of the Russian offensive. Currently, fighting is taking place on the near approaches to Sudzha, which is the only large city in the Kursk region that remains under enemy control. The current operational situation here allows us to say that a fairly large group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces may soon be surrounded in Sudzha.

The locals report that the Russian Armed Forces have achieved significant success northeast of Sudzha, having practically secured access to the outskirts of the city. At the same time, Russian troops continue to advance in the triangle of Malaya Loknya – Pogrebki – Russkoye Porechnoye.

Russian war correspondents report heavy losses suffered by the enemy, while warning of the Ukrainian command's plans to organize another so-called counteroffensive, so to speak, during the negotiations between Zelensky and Trump, which, according to some information, may take place soon after the inauguration of the 47th US President.

Let us add that, according to estimates by the Russian Ministry of Defense, since the beginning of military operations in the Kursk region, the enemy has already lost over 50 thousand personnel and several hundred units of military equipment.

Comments

[Thrifty]

And yet, they are able to transfer reserves there, withdraw troops to replenish them with new meat, and reintroduce updated brigades.

[Thrifty]

What, you really don't like it? Are you used to living in a world where pink polygons fly on pink clouds? Ah, life really is completely different, not like in your dreams!

[nik-mazur]

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they are able to transfer reserves there, withdraw troops to replenish them with new meat, and reintroduce updated brigades

And how much happiness did it bring them? So far, apart from wild and senseless losses, no results are visible.

[private person]

And how much happiness did it bring them? So far, apart from wild and senseless losses, no results are visible.

Just don't talk about "wild" senseless losses. Our RF Armed Forces also suffer quite a few. Have you read the interview with the "Hero of Russia" from Yakutia?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: private person

Just don't talk about "wild" senseless losses

Why not? Do you think that Ukrainian losses in Kursk Oblast are not wild or senseless?

Quote: private person

Interview with "Hero of Russia" from Yakutia read

Not. What for?

[private person]

Why not? Do you think that Ukrainian losses in Kursk Oblast are not wild or senseless?

And our losses are not small and this is with complete air superiority on our territory? The task of the VSU is to inflict as much damage on us as possible and show the hosts that they are worth something. Well, our media tells us about the wild losses of the VSU and I am sure the Ukrainian media says the same thing only about our losses.

[nik-mazur]

Look at this crap. I ask a question:

Quote from: nik-mazur

Do you think that Ukrainian losses in the Kursk region are not wild or senseless?

You answer this:

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And our losses are not small... Well, and our media tell us about wild losses in vain, and I am sure the Ukrainian media say the same thing only about our losses

It feels like you're just ignoring reality and responding to some invisible interlocutor in your head. Well, why do you need my comments in this situation?

[private person]

Look at this crap. I ask a question:
Quote from: nik-mazur
Do you think that Ukrainian losses in the Kursk region are not wild or senseless?

Well, I think the losses of the VSU are big, but not as wild as they are presented to us. And I also disagree with you about the senseless ones. The media effect of this invasion for the VSU is, look for yourself, they entered practically without resistance and have been holding for the seventh month already. Could the weak and unmotivated hold the defense for so long and not just hold it but also constantly counterattack? No matter what they say, the enemy is still very strong and cunning.

[nik-mazur]

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The media effect is an invasion for the sake of it

It’s clear with the media coverage – what’s the military point?

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Would the weak and unmotivated be able to hold the line for so long and not just hold it but also constantly counterattack?

The Germans carried out a full-scale offensive operation two months before the capitulation. One can also ask: could the weak and unmotivated attack? The answer: yes, they could, but what was the point?

[private person]

It’s clear with the media coverage – what’s the military point?

To cause as much damage as possible to the Russian Armed Forces on Russian territory. To cause panic.

[Igor Knysh]

Is there panic? No. That is why the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are meaningless. Especially since all the supplies and evacuation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces go along one road, with obvious problems and consequences.

[Aken]

By and large, it makes no difference where the losses are incurred. Whether to them or to us.
And the result is the transfer of the BD to enemy territory. Now we are forced to destroy our own settlements. Plus, respect for the leadership of our army has been undermined to the point of ridicule and contempt.

[private person]

Now we are forced to destroy our own settlements. Plus, respect for the leadership of our army has been undermined to the point of ridicule and contempt.

As some "patriots" said here on VO, nothing terrible, we'll rebuild it again. But what about those who were forced to leave their homes and abandon their property accumulated over generations? Well, if the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation was dubbed MU-MU by the people, this says a lot, it's not for nothing that Zaluzhny admired him back in 22.

[nik-mazur]

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And what about those who were forced to leave their homes and abandon their property accumulated over generations?

How are the residents of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, Kherson regions? Are they second rate, compared to Kursk residents?

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if the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation was popularly dubbed MU-MU

Not among the people, but among the all-shit-outs and turbo-patriots. Which characterizes them quite well. And it also speaks of the kindness of our agencies, which 80 years ago would have quickly sent them to cut down trees for such jokes addressed to the Chief of the General Staff, not to mention the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

[alexoff]

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80 years ago for such jokes addressed to the Chief of the General Staff

80 years ago, such a Chief of the General Staff would have commanded a company at most, and every second person in the ministry would have been shot

[nik-mazur]

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80 years ago, such a Chief of the General Staff would have commanded a company at most

You guessed wrong. 83 years ago, Chief of the General Staff, Army General Zhukov G.K. was appointed representative of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief at the headquarters of the Southwestern Front.
And on June 23, 1941, People's Commissar of Defense Timoshenko was appointed Chairman of the General Headquarters.
B.M. Shaposhnikov and K.A. Meretskov, who led the General Staff before Zhukov, were also not harmed in any way.
As you can see, no executions.

[alexoff]

Of course, no one would have shot Zhukov, I know about that. Do you think that Shoigu is equal to Timoshenko? And Shaposhnikov is equal to Gerasimov? And who would you compare Timur Ivanov to in the People's Commissariat of Defense?

[nik-mazur]

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Do you think Shoigu is equal to Timoshenko? And Shaposhnikov is equal to Gerasimov

I believe that if, according to your logic, for the events in the Kursk region the Chief of the General Staff should command a company, and half of the Ministry of Defense should be shot, then for the defeat of 1930 the entire General Staff and the entire People's Commissariat of Defense could be burned with flamethrowers. Including everyone who served and worked there since XNUMX.

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Who would you compare Timur Ivanov to?

Who is this?

[alexoff]

the defeat of forty-first the entire General Staff and the entire People's Commissariat of Defense could have been burned with flamethrowers

What do we have here, 1941, an industrial superpower invaded at 4am? We have a Finnish war that lasted three years, and no one was punished there?

for the events in the Kursk region

For you, it all started in the Kursk region?
Better tell me, for what victories we are appointed to command the General Staff.

Who is this?

traditionally, Socraticism begins - I know nothing and I'm proud of it! Former deputy Shoigu, who stole billions

[nik-mazur]

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and what do we have here, 1941

But was it me who said that it would have been eighty years ago? And that half of our Ministry of Defense could be shot? Actually, that's your idea, if you've forgotten.

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for you it all started in the Kursk region

For me it all started on February 22, 2022. If we are talking about war.

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I don't know anything and I'm proud of it

I'm not really interested in gossip. But I think it would be possible to find analogs if desired.

[alexoff]

But did I say that it would have been eighty years ago?

Is this going off topic? In 1941, the army was not fighting according to its plan, but was fighting off the enemy. And now?

And that it is possible to shoot half of our Ministry of Defense? Actually, this is your idea, in case you forgot.

I wrote - for their merits. But for you all their merits are equal to their positions. The Chief of the General Staff is equal to the People's Commissar of Defense.

For me it all started on February 22, 2022. If we are talking about war.

and how did it start, brilliantly?

I'm not really interested in gossip.

oh, these little gossips, probably meaningless inventions. It is clear that Socrates knows nothing and is proud of it.

[nik-mazur]

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In 1941, the army did not fight according to its plan, but fought off the enemy

This is precisely why the General Staff, together with the People's Commissariat of Defense, could have been put up against the wall in full force.

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I wrote it - for their merits

Well, yes, and the People's Commissariat of Defense could have been burned in its entirety for its services in '41. But you don't agree with that, do you? For you, Kursk is a shameful catastrophe, and '41... well, that's how it happened - it happens.

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and how it started

It started well. By mid-March, the Ukrainian leadership was ready to give in.

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Socrates knows nothing and is proud of it

What's wrong with you, Socrates?
In fact, if we are to believe Plato, Socrates said differently: “I know only that I know nothing, but others do not even know that.”

[wladimirjankov]

As you can see, no executions.

You forgot about Pavlov, commander of the Western Military District. He was put up against the wall. And many lost their posts, positions and ranks. Stalin decided that this was enough to shake up other generals and marshals.

[nik-mazur]

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You forgot about Pavlov, commander of the Western Military District.

How can we forget the only known example of a general shot by Stalin for... By the way, why was General Pavlov shot, not formally, but in essence? And what other examples are there of the high command being held accountable for the defeat in 1941? And why is Army General Zhukov not on this list?

[wladimirjankov]

And why is Army General Zhukov not on this list?

And why should Zhukov be on this list, who saw the threat of encirclement of our armies near Kiev and promptly, in front of witnesses, offered Stalin to surrender this city and withdraw our troops beyond the Dnieper? The Generalissimo did not agree to this at the time, as a result of which the moment was missed and a cauldron of 6 of our armies was created. Therefore, Stalin could not make Zhukov the scapegoat in this case.

[nik-mazur]

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Why should Zhukov, who saw the threat of encirclement of our armies near Kiev, be on this list?

Because right before the German invasion, Zhukov was the Chief of the General Staff and his direct responsibilities included planning a possible war with Germany. And if a month and a half after the start of this war the question arose of whether to surrender Kyiv or not, then this means that the General Staff under Zhukov's leadership failed to cope with its task.
But they shot General Popov, who essentially could not do anything.
Compared to 1941, the events in the Kursk region were battles of local significance, as they said in the Sovinformburo reports without specifics and without mentioning populated areas.

[wladimirjankov]

But they shot General Popov, who essentially could not do anything.

General Popov, who was not shot, but only imprisoned, but this is already in our time, then General Pavlov was shot, who, as commander, was responsible for the combat readiness and condition of the troops of the district entrusted to him. Note that it was not Chief of the General Staff Zhukov who was responsible for this, but the commander. What could Zhukov do before the war as Chief of the General Staff, when Stalin's directive hung over him and other generals and marshals not to provoke the Germans and to postpone the war at any cost. All information and its sources about the imminent start of this war were subject to strict obstruction and distrust. It was forbidden to carry out any actions or redeployments in the border areas that could cause concern to the fascists. Even their reconnaissance planes, which constantly and brazenly flew into our territory, were forbidden to shoot down and they were freely sent back. But whoever did not want war and no matter how they avoided it, in the end always got it, with even greater losses for themselves. We should have started this war ourselves and much earlier, back in 1936, when fascism in Germany and its military machine had not yet gained strength and we could have nipped it in the bud. The same is with Ukraine now. They also dragged it out, postponed it, endured it and hoped for something, instead of immediately resolving this issue back in 2014. Then there were all the opportunities for this.

[nik-mazur]

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then General Pavlov was shot

Sorry, I made a typo.

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What could Zhukov as Chief of General Staff have done before the war?

Well, for example, to organize the defense in such a way that the Germans could not practically destroy the entire regular army in just three months and reach Moscow, Leningrad and the Caucasus. Redeployment in the border regions has nothing to do with this at all - where is the border, and where is Minsk, Kyiv, Kharkov, Smolensk, Sevastopol.
Of course, one could say that Zhukov had been in charge of the General Staff since only January 1941. However, Meretskov, who had been before him, also did not suffer in any way.
That's how it turns out for today's armchair strategists that no one is to blame for the catastrophe of 1941, but that everyone should be shot for the Kursk region.

[Igor Knysh]

I can imagine what this crowd would have said about Shaposhnikov at 41 after the Kyiv cauldron. They probably wouldn't have joked for long.

[nik-mazur]

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what would this crowd say about Shaposhnikov in 41 after the Kyiv cauldron

This crowd should be silent. They should sit quietly, like a mouse under a broom.

[nik-mazur]

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And the result is the transfer of the database to enemy territory.

And was it worth the losses?

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Plus, respect for the leadership of our army has been undermined to the point of ridicule and contempt.

Well, it doesn't depend on the enemy's success. I can't imagine the Red Army leadership being ridiculed and despised in 1941. Although, according to the logic of local commentators, the reasons were much more fundamental than now.

[Aken]

Firstly, it was worth it, because there would have been losses anyway. If not there, then in Zaporozhye.
Secondly, I can imagine how it was subjected. First, cries about little bloodshed and on foreign territory, and then, abruptly, without transition - Not a step back.
Another thing is that this was not discussed in the newspapers. And most importantly, measures were taken faster. I will not talk about Pavlov, but Zhukov was quickly sent to the front on July 29.

[nik-mazur]

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it was worth it because there would have been losses anyway

Apart from media, I don’t see any other benefits.

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Zhukov was quickly sent to the front on July 29

The people sent? With ridicule and contempt? And especially towards the top officials of the state... well, well.

[Aken]

Nowadays, the media image is more important than the reality, which many will never know about.
Stalin sent him. And MU MU is still in office. Doesn't give a damn. Still plays the strategist.
Many people could say something about the top people. Especially those who communicated with these people. They could only speak at the risk of their lives. Therefore, they kept silent and thought.
But after the 20th Congress, it broke through. Especially the intelligentsia.

[nik-mazur]

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Nowadays, media image is more important than reality

Well, it depends on where you live. For those who live in virtual reality, it's probably more important.

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Sent by Stalin. And MU MU is still in office

That's why Stalin would have sent you to dig trenches. And then sit in them. But now the authorities are kind, so you don't have to watch the broom.

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Many people could say something about the top officials

Could wouldBut now everyone can.

[Aken]

Many people live in virtual reality, although they vehemently deny it.
Stalin wouldn't have sent me. He had more important things to do. And if he had found out about me, he would have at least listened to me first. After all, he read the letters that ordinary people sent him.
Yes, they can now. Times have changed. You can't hide an awl in a sack. It's the information age, though. People see the stupidity of every official and don't want to keep quiet any more.

[nik-mazur]

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The people see the stupidity of every official and no longer want to remain silent

The eternal problem is that everyone sees any nonsense except their own.

[Aken]

There is no other way. That is human nature.
But if a large number of people see the same thing, there are two options:
Either they are all fools, or what they see is true.

[nik-mazur]

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There are two options here: Either they are all fools, or what they see is true.

As Einstein said to the young Heisenberg, who complained that experiments in quantum mechanics were showing meaningless results: “Young man, the theory determines what we can observe.”
Therefore, if a large number of people draw the same conclusions from what they saw (well, as seen... mostly on the Internet through third parties), then this only means that they adhere to the same theory. And the fact that there are a large number of people who see differently is simply written off as fools - well, you can't write yourself off as a fool, right?
That is, the main problem is not that people do not always use reliable facts, and not even that they draw incorrect conclusions - that is only half the trouble - but that they consider their conclusions from facts to be facts.

[Aken]

Is the result a reliable fact?
If the result is objective, then yes.
If the result is fake, then no.
There are results that are difficult to fake. And then people most often draw reliable conclusions from a reliable fact.
But we've gotten really deep into things.

[nik-mazur]

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People often draw reliable conclusions from reliable facts

No.
Like the classic:
“After all, the sun walks before us every day,
However, the stubborn Galileo is right."

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We've gotten really deep into the wilds

As another classic once said:
"Philosophy is a thought thought out to the end. It is not always fun and easy to think it out, but there is no way out: otherwise, you will have to operate with half-thought-out thoughts."
So you have to get into the wilds.

[Fat]

"...they quickly sent me to the front"
Sent as a representative of the Supreme Command Headquarters. Read - Stalin's personal aide
That he did not live up to the high trust?
The initiator of the Pavlov case was L. Mekhlis, who was never a military leader. "Based on the results of his activities on the Crimean Front, by Headquarters Directive No. 155452 of June 4, 1942, Mekhlis was demoted two ranks to corps commissar and removed from the post of Deputy People's Commissar of Defense and Chief of the Main Political Directorate."

[Aken]

Khukov is a personal aide. But not the head of the General Staff. He was used correctly. He couldn't cope with the General Staff.
Mekhlis is Mekhlis, and Pavlov is the real culprit on June 21.

[private person]

I somehow have a hard time imagining that in 1941 the leadership of the Red Army was subjected to ridicule and contempt.

You seem to have a poor understanding of the situation since you compare it with 41.

[nik-mazur]

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You seem to have a very poor understanding of this

Well, enlighten me.

[wladimirjankov]

Plus, respect for the leadership of our army has been undermined to the point of ridicule and contempt.

There would be something to undermine, especially after the Kharkov "regrouping", the escape and surrender of Izyum, Kupyansk and Krasnoyarsk Liman. By the way, the commander who commanded the "North" group at that time remained the same and continues to command "effectively" now. The results are obvious.

[guest]

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And did it bring them much happiness?

The main thing for them is to bring us as much misfortune as possible.

[nik-mazur]

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The main thing for them is to bring us as much misfortune as possible.

Do you think that pushing into the Kursk region is the best way to bring us the maximum amount of misfortune?

[guest]

Quote from: nik-mazur

is this the best way to bring us the most unhappiness?

This is the only way they were capable of doing it.

[Thrifty]

nik-mazur - they were able to capture more than 1200 hectares of our land! Doesn't that mean anything to you? How did they enter there, how do they calmly rotate their troops? Where did they say that they promised to cleanse the Kursk region of VSUs in months? How much longer will it take to dig them out of there?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Thrifty

They were able to capture more than 1200 hectares of our lands

They will snatch it back just as they captured it.

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How many more of them will have to be dug out from there?

Until they run out?

[KZAKVO32923]

But the guy just wrote about the real situation, why downvote him?

[Aristarkh Verkhozin]

We have not had any cauldrons in the SVO since May 2022 (the first and so far the last was Mariupol). Every fire pocket should not be recorded as a "cauldron", especially since in practice the Ukrainian Armed Forces often retreat from fire pockets like Kurakhov without catastrophic losses of personnel.

[sergey4791]

To talk about a cauldron, we need to talk about cutting the highway between Sudzha and Sumy. And, alas, this is nowhere near being observed.

[wladimirjankov]

about cutting the route between Sudzha and Sumy.

Yes, at least for a start, they did not allow the Nazis to travel back and forth along it freely. They showed a video of a French journalist driving along this highway. During the day, columns of Banderovite equipment move freely in both directions in a continuous stream. No one intercepts them or even bothers them. There are no damaged or burnt-out vehicles or craters from shells and missiles on the sides of the road. As if this is their deep rear in the Kursk region. With such supplies, it becomes clear why the enemies have held our lands in the Kursk region for so long. It is just not clear why this is happening. Why can't we turn this highway into a road of survival for the adversaries. What is stopping us? Maybe the Gazprom gas pipeline that runs next to it?

[75 Sergey]

It seems like they are leaving a corridor on purpose, thinking to push them out and they will leave... But why? They are the elite of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they need to be destroyed, while our positions are more advantageous, they would not spare ours.

[private person]

It seems like they are leaving the corridor on purpose, thinking they will push them out and they will leave... But why?

Maybe they are forced to leave because there are not enough forces to destroy them? And yes, destruction means storming fortified positions, which means losses of personnel, and destroying your own settlements where there are still civilians is somehow not right.

[75 Sergey]

As long as they have the conditions for defense, they will sit idly by - whether head-on or spelt.

Maybe they are being forced to leave because there is not enough strength to destroy them?

And we have no need for mobilization - that means we have the strength to sit down and don't give a damn!

[Leshak]

I don’t know where the author sees the cauldron, judging by the map nothing like that is visible and it’s hard to imagine it yet.

[75 Sergey]

Wishful thinking for reality.
To keep Baghdad "calm", Saddam Hussein will not let you lie

[sdivt]

I'm extremely curious, who even checks all these notes on VO?
On December 29, some nameless author suddenly announced a ring of fire around Sudzha:

The operation in the Kursk region continues, ours are advancing, tightening the ring around Sudzha

Well, okay, they discussed it in the comments, they thought that the author just got carried away
But no, again

Sudzhi's boiler will close soon

It turns out that the ring around Sudzhi has turned into a cauldron

What tomorrow?
Are we going to install the victory banner on Bankovskaya?

Authors, I understand everything, everyone wants a successful ending, everyone is tired
But let's not turn VO into yellow press!

[nik-mazur]

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let's not turn VO into yellow press

Late boy rushing around.

[Scientist_]

liberation of 60 percent of the territory of the Kursk region occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

In a few months, what the Xoxles captured in a few days was liberated.

[Scientist_]

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So far, apart from wild and senseless losses, no results are visible.

We are told about wild and senseless losses on their part, they are told about wild and senseless losses on our part. These are all empty words.

[nik-mazur]

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These are all empty words.

That's right. So don't trust words - trust deeds. We advance - they retreat. We had one mobilization two years ago for 300 thousand people - they have had permanent mobilization for three years and are going to lower the draft age to 18.
Then you can draw any conclusions to the extent of your depravity or sophistication of your mind.

[asher]

The news about the "squeezing" of the enemy out of the Kursk region is depressing. To leave such territories in 7 days, which then even in 7 months it is impossible to return is an achievement or a feat? And what was the "steps of goodwill" when they left the Kharkov, Sumy and Kyiv regions in 2022? In the world, this was perceived as a fucking success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the weakness of the Russian Federation, and our brilliant politicians and military leaders think that this is the order of things and everyone around is stupid.

[Metallurg_2]

Excellent. Take no prisoners.
And extraction can only be in one direction - to Bandera!

[Idle_piston]

Sudzhi's boiler will close soon

I wonder what time interval the Russian Ministry of Defense uses for the term "Soon"?