Signal operators of the Southern Military District are developing the satellite communication stations of the 5 generation Belozer

Portable satellite station "Barrier-T". Source: Website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

TSAMTO, 21 March. Practical training on the exchange of data between subscribers was conducted with military signalmen of combined-arms units of the Southern Military District, stationed in the Chechen Republic.

According to the press service of the Southern Military District, the specialists of the communications troops fulfilled some 20 standards for the deployment and operation of mobile field control points, field communications centers and conducted more than 10 comprehensive training in various frequency ranges.

In the course of the training, the signalmen improved the skills of working at the portable stations of satellite communication of the 5 generation “Belozer”, which entered the formations under the program of re-equipping of the Southern Military District troops at the end of the past.

The new station is intended for the organization of satellite radio networks in the interests of the units and subdivisions acting in isolation from the main forces, as well as for use as a personal station of the commander.

It allows you to transfer digital and text messages, to negotiate subscribers who are anywhere in the world via satellite. Compared with previous generation stations, the data transfer rate has increased several times. In the stowed position, the radio station looks like a schoolbag in size, and can be carried by one person, its weight is 16 kg.

The advantages of space communications include a long range of stable communications, including on terrain with difficult terrain, regardless of weather conditions, time of year and day, as well as high intelligence protection.

Comments

[Takashi]

Is not too much - 16 kg?

[ia-ai00]

I think the developers are working on the "weight" problem. A little time will pass and it will be much easier.

[mankurt]

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[tforik]

It is sad.
But ours is probably on "lamps" and is not afraid of an electromagnetic wave?))))))

[densiaophyng]

Nada our remote control to it

[mankurt]

News »Opinion
The legacy of the "era of degradation." Deputy Minister of Defense: the scientific and technical reserve of the defense industry is almost exhausted
Today, 07: 01


The Defense Ministry is dissatisfied with the quality of the supplied weapons and military equipment, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said at a military-industrial conference in Moscow.

According to him, “although the volume of the supplied equipment is growing, the number of complaints in 2012 year increased by 2011 percent compared to 40 year”.

The Deputy Minister noted that the quality of weapons and equipment is falling, because Manufacturers use outdated technology and often these technologies break, and most enterprises are not well equipped and lack qualified personnel.

[zanoza]

TTX of communications and their photos can be found here: http://www.cqham.ru/trx/index.html

And the info on SEE (briefly) can be read here: http://so-l.ru/news/show/5713939

[DuraLexSedLex.]

Thank you and look for what?

[beard999]

Quote: Takashi

Is not too much - 16 kg?

16 kg weighs R-438 Barrier-T http://www.arms-expo.ru/049053052053124051048056051.html. The station was developed back in Soviet times. At the end of the 80s., 16 kg for an army satellite station, a quite satisfactory mass figure.
Belozer is a family of wearable and mobile stations. And these are not new stations either (development of the 90s). For example, back in 2003, a station from the Belozer family was discussed, with a mass of 7 kg http://desantura.ru/forum/forum36/topic273/.

[Rustam]

but this photo speaks for itself - about the weight and dimensions - called feel the difference


AN / PRC-152 - American military portable single-channel tactical control radio station from the Harris Falcon III family

[Ascetic]

Quote: Rustam

AN / PRC-152 - American military portable single-channel tactical control radio station from the Harris Falcon III family

A tender for the purchase of 1950 portable radio stations of the 6th generation "Azart-P1" has been published on the Rosoboronpostavka website
Radio stations should be delivered (judging by their addresses) to the 8 mountain, 33 mountain and 19 motorized rifle brigades (650 sets each) by 1 July 2013. The maximum cost per unit is 265 789 rubles 24 pennies (including VAT).
In total, this year about 23 thousand of such radio stations should enter the troops.

Belozero is no longer a new station. 6th Generation Station Future

[Rustam]

Hi colleague, I am aware that the first samples were shown 1,5 years ago and signed a contract, the military then set stringent conditions for the samples. Harris products captured in Ossetia were taken.
They also showed on TV how Rogozin showed these products to Serdyukov

And this is something

[Rustam]

Hi colleague, I am aware that the first samples were shown 1,5 years ago and signed a contract, the military then set stringent conditions for the samples. Harris products captured in Ossetia were taken.
They also showed on TV how Rogozin showed these products to Serdyukov

And this is something


photo US Army on the left Motorola on the right Harris - there is competition for orders for the US Army - therefore, these companies give magnificent products to the mountain

[Gavrn]

You do not confuse warm and wet, a satellite communications station and a single-channel tactical link radio station. Indeed, to transmit information to direct visibility (3-4 km in the European part of Russia) and to orbit (20-40 thousand km), a different amount of energy needs to be spent.

[APASUS]

Quote: Takashi

Is not too much - 16 kg?

And they have a concrete case!

[sedoii]

It's time for ours to move from "deployment guidelines" to "plug and play."
And 16kg is still a bit much, 5-8kg is acceptable. And from personal experience, a tablet with a contrast screen is more convenient than a laptop.

[APASUS]

Quote: sedoii

And 16kg is still a bit much, 5-8kg is acceptable

Most likely there the battery costs 300 hours of continuous conversation

[Sirocco]

There would be no happiness, but misfortune helped. All the same, the 2008 conflict did its positive job. Thanks to Saakashvili, the modern communications system of the US Army fell into the hands of our specialists. A deep bow to him for such a gift. and for such a SCHOOL of life, even if they sobered up and opened their eyes after the stagnation of the 90s

[audentes]

a friend participated in Ossetia said that the communication almost did not work; orders were transmitted by messengers like 100 years ago, all frequencies were in interference

[Sirocco]

So I say this, that in this case, misfortune helped us. After all, nothing brings to life like a shake, and a sense of danger. Immediately, adrenaline surges, and the brains come out of hibernation.

[Rustam]

Yes, it’s definitely in the hands of our military that great examples
mainly by HARRIS - one of the leaders in the world of communications systems
(our radio plant Popov, before receiving such samples from the military, lagged behind such technologies for decades and never dreamed of)

here is one of the samples that fell into our hands
Harris Falcon III.

Designed and manufactured by Harris Corporation. Meets JTRS specifications.
The first deliveries to the US Army began in October 2005.
It is a software defined radio (SDR),
which can be significantly upgraded programmatically

[Gecko]

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Operating frequency range: 30-512 MHz, single channel
Transmission Modes: FM, AM, PSK, CPM, FSK
Tuning Accuracy: 10 Hz
Power: 250 mW to 5 W
Harmonic suppression: no worse than –47 dBc
Frequency Stability: +/- 2.5 ppm
Sensitivity (FM mode): -116 dBm (12 dB SINAD)
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[Ascetic]

Quote: Rustam

Yes, it’s definitely in the hands of our military that great examples

Guys. And here is August 2008 and Belozer development of the 90s and it has been used already since 2002 and developed as part of the ESSS-2, the creation work which had begun under Gorbi.

New military devices go under the program of creation in the army ISSS (Integrated Satellite Communications System) is a third generation digital communications system in the interests of the RF Armed Forces..
ISSS, as part of the United Automated Digital Communications System (OACS) of the RF Armed Forces, is developing towards the creation of spaceborne information and transport platforms that provide full accessibility to all stationary and mobile users of the earth segment of the satellite network (on land, at sea, in the air )
These airborne platforms should communicate with the territorial communication centers of the OACS through high-speed trunk communication channels.

No need to compare the hell with a finger.

[Rustam]

but I don't say anything about the rest of Belozero - I said that in 2008, having received such trophies, ours begin to perform something similar to us as you said above !! type "Azart-P1" (and then when the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ran into our communication manufacturers, but there is no Serdyuk and there is no one to run over)

and this 16 kilogram miracle why purchased ?? so as to cut money and the enemy did not get ??

[Ascetic]

Quote: Rustam

but I don't say anything about the rest of Belozero - I said that in 2008, having received such trophies, ours begin to perform something similar to us as you said above !! type "Azart-P1" (and then when the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ran into our communication manufacturers, but there is no Serdyuk and there is no one to run over)

I agree. Only on Friday did I approve the engineers' admission to the Ministry of Defense for testing and subsequent replacement of certain equipment in the General Staff and Moscow Region. Almost on this topic.

[Atrix]

Quote: Rustam

Yes, it’s definitely in the hands of our military that great examples
mainly by HARRIS - one of the leaders in the world of communications systems
(our radio plant Popov, before receiving such samples from the military, lagged behind such technologies for decades and never dreamed of)

here is one of the samples that fell into our hands
Harris Falcon III.

Designed and manufactured by Harris Corporation. Meets JTRS specifications.
The first deliveries to the US Army began in October 2005.
It is a software defined radio (SDR),
which can be significantly upgraded programmatically

And what's the use of falling into our hands? There is no production of electronics of this level in Russia. It is also that China cannot establish the production of aircraft engines similar to those of Russia in terms of reliability and performance characteristics, simply because there is no production of such metal alloys. Russia can also make out and it can be sorted out how it works and works, but it is unlikely that it will be able to copy one to one and produce in the near future.

[ivan7979]

I suspect that the communications fighter (who is trying to make out the satellite through which this obscure laptop with wires works ) VHF station of hairy years (looks like the 157th but the headset is slightly different)
This is what I need - is there an update to the stations: fighter-squad-platoon (which, for example, cannot be listened to with the usual fm receiver and other innovations)
And at the expense of satellite communications - PROGRESS! 10 years ago, she (sp.Svyaz) drove (at least in our team) in a large six-wheeled car

[zanoza]

And now, some of the stations are moving by car, but here on what. Do you recognize a sample car?

[zanoza]

Or such options: "...As part of the final check for the 2012 academic year with the units of the 38th separate communications regiment of the Airborne Forces (Airborne Forces), control and verification exercises were conducted in special tactical and airborne training ... "
Remote ...

[akendrama]

And what are the characteristics of Western samples? enlighten who is in the subject.

[VadimSt]

It seems like news, but given the previous statements, somehow, I’m not very amused!

20.10.2011
According to Major General Khalil Arslanov, Deputy Head of the General Staff Headquarters for Communications, by 2013, the analogue communication facilities at all fixed communication centers will be replaced by digital ones. As for the mobile component, in 2012, CB will receive modern digital mobile communications - radio stations, radio relay stations, satellite communications stations, integrated hardware communications. Combined arms will receive portable 6 generation radios with an end-to-end range, equipped with navigation and with ample opportunities for transmitting information.

Do we harness it for a long time, or "the horse runs behind the cart"?

[crambol]

Quote: Takashi

Is not too much - 16 kg?

Maybe it is out of habit designed for 50 megatons in the immediate vicinity?

[Orient_Ru]

In the photo in the hands of the signalman, the field laptop looks very much like the Panasonic TOUGHBOOK CF-31.

http://www.panasonic.ru/press_center/releases/detail/375441

Communication is such an important matter, I would like to see domestic equipment that is not subject to the machinations of IT-ishniks of a potential enemy.

[tforik]

1 in 1! Like he is!

[slavik_gross]

and who knows why such a heavy weight? And the fact that there should only be a domestic assembly is not even disputed ...

[VadimSt]

Because this is an "armored book", it does not smell of plastic there - the case is made of magnesium alloy. The weight is about 3,5 kg, just, in addition to the "laptop", there are also "bombs", due to them and the weight of the kit.
In Russia, the company produces R-systes (IRBIS) c 2005

[Orient_Ru]

The Panasonic TOUGHBOOK CF-31 field laptop has never been armored. But protected from moisture, dust and shockproof - yes. I worked with this, I know not by hearsay.

[roial]

The author is completely versed in communications. He simply stupidly copied this article from another resource without even checking the data. In the photo there is not a single component of the station on it depicts a fighter with a laptop that is not even possible to connect to the station due to the lack of corresponding joints on it.
Small-sized satellite station R-438 Baryet-T

Designed for the organization of satellite radio communication networks in the interests of units and subunits operating in isolation from the main forces through the communications relay of the spacecraft.

Technical features

The radio station provides complete autonomy of work in the modes of voice, digital and text messages, automated health monitoring, interfacing with a wide range of terminal equipment at the joints of RS-232C, C1-FL-BI. The design allows you to transport the radio station with one person.

Modes of operation:

• duplex closed telephone service;
• simplex mode of reception and transmission of data;
• formalized official communication;
• OFT at a speed of 1200 bps;
• dual channel reception mode.

Key Features:
Frequency range, GHz 4 ... 6
Information speed, bps 1200, 2400
Isotropic power, not less than 31 dB W
Quality factor of the receiving system, dB / K 0
Number of communication channels 51 (in 10 kHz steps)
Food from a network of a direct current, V 10-30
Power supply from an alternating current main, V 180-250
Range of working temperatures, oС -40 .. +50
Ready time, sec no more than 35
Overall dimensions, mm 416х286х107
Weight, kg no more than 16

In 2000, at the institute, I wrote a diploma at this station))

[zanoza]

Quote: roial

Small-sized satellite station R-438 Barrier-T

I will add one more photo.

[zanoza]

Operational moment.
(clickable)

[crambol]

Weight, kg no more than 16

Well, honestly, at least a third can be reduced using more delicate components.

Information speed, bps 1200, 2400

And this is what, with one finger to write. typewriter?

[Gavrn]

Well, tell us what speeds are needed to transmit a voice message?

[astra]

Quote: roial

The author is completely versed in communications. He simply stupidly copied this article from another resource without even checking the data. In the photo there is not a single component of the station on it depicts a fighter with a laptop that is not even possible to connect to the station due to the lack of corresponding joints on it. Small-sized satellite station R-438 Baryet-T

The fact that the author is possible and copied is not a reason to blame him, the essence of the article is not the external signs and the name of the radio station, but the opportunity to once again rejoice in the modernization of the army. I’m not a specialist and I don’t care how she looks and is called outwardly. The main thing is the new equipment arrives in the troops. And if not for this article, you would not read these lines and other articles. Do you need to respect the work of members of the forum that give you the opportunity to read the news, or do you think that only admins write and find articles?

[roial]

Information speed, bps 1200, 2400
And this is what, with one finger to write. typewriter?

This is an old Soviet school)) There is a vocoder that converts speech into a digital signal at a speed of 1.2-2.4 kbit / s. It’s true that the correspondent wants to understand what is needed and even with a delay it’s not easy at all)), but our army always liked to overcome difficulties))

In the USSR and in Russia, ALL conversations on satellite channels are usually encrypted using ZAS equipment that works on a digital channel with speeds from 1.2 to 48 kbit / s

[crambol]

Quote: roial

our army always loved to overcome difficulties

Well, if ZAS, then everything is clear. In the 61st year he saw ZAS at the headquarters of the fleet. He was like a medium-sized chest of drawers from a not poor housewife.

[roial]

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[roial]

Probable Enemy Portable Satellite Stations

Raytheon's incredibly flexible multiband multitask PSC-5D communication terminal offers a special satellite communication channel along with various operating modes, modulation types and relay modes (in direct visibility, satellite and Sincgars - a single system of single-channel radio communications of ground forces and aircraft). The radio station is compatible with various encoders. Frequency range 30 to 512 MHz

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[Rustam]

total weight of our product is 16 kilograms !!!!!!!!!!!!!
we loved to do everything big and bulky - remembering our service and the walkie-talkie Crossbow, I felt sorry for the signalmen
problems with lagging behind in our army happened in the early 90s where practically nothing came into their development - therefore there was a huge lag, I recall two Chechen companies where problems with communication and coordination came to one of the first places (in signal range, in reception quality and protection) this problemma also emerged in 2 - after which the miserable state with communications with the troops was officially recognized

it’s no secret that the Georgian army excelled us in the quality of communications
it’s good that a lot of instances of communication equipment were captured and even a connected and intact Range rover equipped with the most modern communication systems was used as a command

basically it is the world leader and supplier to the US army, the HARRIS company (yes, when the first samples came to the military and industrialists - what technological hole separates our developments from theirs gasped)

briefly- Radio stations of the HARRIS family
VHF radio stations manufactured by HARRIS under the SINCGARS program.
Harris' SINCGARS V program creates 5-watt knapsack radios and 50-watt mobile radios.
They provide telephone communications and data transmission in the frequency range 1.2 ... 512 MHz in the mode:
- fixed frequency settings
- in WIC mode.

Cryptographic information protection and WMS management are carried out by the integrated ECM module.
Voice transmission is performed using delta modulation at a speed of 19,2 kbit / s and frequency manipulation with the detuning of the subcarrier frequencies ± 5,6 kHz from the nominal frequency.

Data transmission is carried out at a speed of 16 kbit / s using minimal shift manipulation, with the possibility of increasing the speed to 115.2 kbit / s. To identify radio stations, modulation of the carrier wave of tonal frequency signals of 150 Hz is used.

Six to ten communication channels can be pre-programmed manually or using a Fill Gun device.
During programming, the following data is entered for each channel in the RAM of the control module:
frequency of fixed settings, key variables, “time of day” TOD, initial data for forming an address group of frequencies, orthogonal network identification code, address code for selective communication.
Key variables are entered in the form of eight blocks of four hexadecimal characters (O ... 9. A, B, ...) for each channel,
The address group includes 128 frequencies for the WMS and is formed by the processor of the control module in accordance with the algorithm specified by the key variables (several disjoint subbands (or blocks) of operating frequencies, lower and upper boundaries) In WIC mode, a network call is provided by the network identification code and a selective subscriber call online

PS-photo (clickable)
American trophy walkie-talkie (one of many) from Georgia inherited as trophies - ours has something to learn and adopt

[roial]

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The most widely used stations
AN / PSC-3

AN / PSC-5

and LST-5C

The AN / PSC-3 kit includes: a transceiver, a set of antennas, a microcomputer (for accumulation and automatic transmission of messages) and a small-sized letter-printing device with a signal converter. Text messaging is in high-speed mode. To classify negotiations, an external encoder of the TSEC / KY-57, -59 type can be connected to the radio station.
The automobile version of the station (AN / VSC-7), unlike others, is equipped with a remote control panel.

Station AN / PSC-5 manufactured by Raytheon company, which was put into service in 1993, is used in tactical and operational-tactical command and control level. To close the communication channel, it has a built-in encoder. The satellite modem provides operation both on a pre-allocated channel, and in the mode of providing it at the request of DAMA in accordance with the standards MIL-STD-188-182h -183. When operating according to the MIL-STD-188-182 standard, transmission is carried out at a speed of up to 2,4 kbps four-position FM (SOQPSK) in a narrow-band channel with a width of 5 kHz, and according to the MIL-STD-188-183 standard - with a speed of up to 16 kbit / s in the broadband channel (25 kHz). It can be conducted in synchronous and asynchronous mode according to the MIL-STD-188-114A standard. Data terminal equipment (personal computer, digital message input devices, etc.) is connected to the modem via the RS-232 or -422 port.
The station is powered by two rechargeable batteries BB-590 / U (weight 3,6 kg) or BA-5590 / U (2,04 kg). The station is also equipped with a converter for AC power. The average time between failures is at least 2 hours.

[crambol]

From comparison, a very sad mood. Now it’s clear that ours isn’t something like a computer, but a cellular one. Again have to catch up. But a potential adversary will not wait when we catch him. Will cover all of our analog without much effort.

[astra]

Quote: crambol

Now it’s clear that ours isn’t something like a computer, but a cellular one.

But how did we break into space? the best combat aircraft and other military equipment do?

[crambol]

And you remember, at what cost all this was achieved!

[astra]

It’s also hard for the Americans to achieve everything, remember how many accidents we had and they had in the space program for example.

[Atrix]

Quote from astra

Quote: crambol

Now it’s clear that ours isn’t something like a computer, but a cellular one.

But how did we break into space? the best combat aircraft and other military equipment do?

Who told you about the best military equipment? On TV I heard about "unparalleled in the world" In some areas we are at the level of the West, and in many we are 20-30 years behind

[Mozart]

Quote: crambol

Now it’s clear that ours isn’t something like a computer, but a cellular one.

Now it’s clear - but before it’s not clear, was it?

[astra]

Quote: Mozart

Now it’s clear that ours isn’t something like a computer, but a cellular one

But how then did we break into space? do the best combat aircraft do?

[darksoul]

well done, why do we need to start .... in circuitry, ours are significantly behind, let them catch up

[Zomanus]

Kapets. In case of war, we will again run as in 41 with coils of wire ... It is sad of course from such news. Despite the fact that our EW funds are very poorly represented, unlike amers. And in the photo our stations are a concrete sanctuary. One can only dream of carbon fiber and magnesium, not to mention the filling.

[DuraLexSedLex.]

People here add pictures of satellite phones with words like: "but this is not easier" and "and they have a case made of concrete" and they think that a satellite phone, and a digital satellite radio station, multichannel, is the same thing .... People , I will disappoint you, these are completely different things. The only thing that unites them is the presence of a receiver-transmitter with the ability to work directly with a satellite, and a satellite antenna, AND EVERYTHING. Communication standards, encryption in the channel, and the data transmission system is different, for phones This is an analogue for communication systems of 5-6 generation of a digit (that is, you can transmit both speech and text and multimedia information, or coordinates).

[roial]

So what's the difference ?? It’s just that our generals can’t make NORMAL technical conditions for the development of the station (after all, the more bells and whistles the better they think, but the nickname doesn’t mean that this station will be operated by soldiers with vocational education) and our industry is not able to do anything normal, here and it turns out an ordinary VHF radio station the size of a brick.