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Remote from the globe. "Task: to pit Russia with China. Not easy, but let's get started"

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Remote from the globe. "Task: to pit Russia with China. Not easy, but let's get started"The topic of the “Chinese threat” for Russia and its unexpected popularity in domestic information sources is extremely relevant. The work of the American explorer Shona Mirsky, devoted to the blockade of China, was already mentioned on our website the other day. However, this text is curious enough to make out in more detail. He gives answers to some questions that concern the source of a topic so popular in the media. In particular, it answers the question of who and why will be the main “beneficiary” from the possible cooling of Russian-Chinese relations, which may occur under the influence of intimidation of our fellow citizens by “aggressive China”.


So, the study is interesting by the fact of a serious study of the possibility of the naval blockade of China by the United States. But this, in the end, is predictable - China is growing and stronger than other countries threatens the sole American domination in the world. We have to do something with these Americans. Actually, Sean Mirsky himself says that the sea blockade will allow to destroy the Chinese economic potential, since China is critically dependent on sea transportation in foreign trade, as well as in the supply of raw materials. Much more interesting are some of the findings of the study, which are necessary for a successful blockade of China measures. These measures have something to do with us.

A key factor in the success of such actions, Mirski considers Russia's involvement in the blockade of China: “... in stories China’s blockade has never succeeded without the tacit consent of the Russians. ” He admits that without the participation of Russia, the blockade of the PRC is technically impracticable for objective reasons.

At first, on other routes of movement of raw materials and goods - the US can have an impact. This may be political pressure on transit countries, and military strikes. For example, Mirsky considers attacking the transport infrastructure of those countries that China is currently trying to use as an alternative to maritime transport. It is noted that the PRC understands its vulnerability to the sea blockade and is making major investments in land access routes to the Indian Ocean, bypassing the straits.

Mirskiy considers impossible “military coercion” against Russia because of our defense potential. That is, there would be no potential - they would talk about the bombings not only of Myanmar, but also of us. And so - you need to look for other methods.

Secondly, Russia will be able to compensate for the blockade on other areas for China: “... for example, China may try to shift its entire international trade to the Russian direction, and even if the United States are inclined to support the United States, they will not be able to do it when they face with considerable pressure from their business community. " Read: the benefits of such trade will override any benefits of American support. In addition, Russia and Kazakhstan will be able to cover a significant part of China’s energy needs, which will also deprive the blockade of any meaning: “... Russia, on the one hand, will be China’s hope of overcoming the American blockade, on the other hand, it will also be for the United States the key to closing the transit route through Central Asia and preventing oil supplies to China. "

On this basis, the success of the blockade depends on the creation by the Americans of the anti-Chinese coalition by attracting neighboring countries, primarily Russia, India and Japan. And if it is planned to use Japan as a “cannon fodder” without shame, then from Russia and India direct military participation, thank God, is not yet required: “... Neither Russia nor India will have to participate in the American military operation, but they will have to tacitly support American actions through national embargoes against China. ”

Now the “tacit support” by Russia of such actions by the United States is considered by Mirsky to be an incredible and even fantastic scenario. However, if there is such a need, it means that it is necessary to work on its implementation — Americans are more inclined to work on changing the reality in their own interests than “waiting for mercy from nature”. And Mirski reads quite frankly what can change the situation from fantastic to possible.

He believes that Russia's fears of China may help in this: “The possibility of Russia's consent to US actions against China may seem ephemeral. However, Russian military officials often express concern about the growth of China and its encroachment on the Far East. The pressure of Chinese growth can be an incentive for Russian-American reconciliation in the future, as Russian leaders may decide that growing on the borders of China presents a greater danger than the troubled, but distant United States. ”

The question arises: will the Americans rely on the fact that “the curve itself will take out” and the Russian leaders embrace with military officials will alter the Russian policy in the right direction for the Americans, or are they ready to influence the situation? The answer is easily found in the same text: "The United States must concentrate on winning the battle for perception of China (as an enemy - A.G.) by three neighboring countries - Russia, India and Japan." That is, the work should be conducted with the public opinion of our countries. And something suggests that the "battle for perception" is already underway. There are a lot of “strained on the globe” facts and suspiciously persistent publications.

... Well: growing China is really closer to us than distant Americans. Perhaps that is why we are strengthening military cooperation with China, and not with the United States. Well, really, should we be interested in American domination and the dubious benefits of “friendship” with them? The consequences of American domination still did not benefit anyone, except for the Americans themselves. We should be interested in our own domination and our own growth, and not the attempts of “distant and problematic” Americans to remain the dominant force where nobody needs them.

PS Viktor Marakhovsky

I would like to add one replica to what my colleague said. Not only our mass consciousness is processed within the framework of the "solution of the Chinese question": the Chinese, too. If someone watched the second film about Kung Fu Pandu, he will remember: there the plot is built around a negative character on the imperial throne of the Middle Kingdom, who wants to interrupt the blessed isolation of the country and go to conquer foreign lands. The positive heroes are actually engaged in the fact that they are smashing the navy (!) Of their homeland. So as not to interrupt silence, smoothness and Taoist grace.

Taking into account the natural inclination of Chinese civilization to stinging in itself - figures from Hollywood know what to put pressure on. By the way, the American big-budget X1980-90-x films about Russia were put on quite organic Russian "only there would be no war." As a result, we got a lot of these wars everywhere.
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 23 March 2013 07: 04 New
    +2
    again help in pitting us from the west ... divide and conquer ...
    1. kvodrato
      kvodrato 23 March 2013 09: 01 New
      19
      divide and conquer their meaning of existence
      1. Zic
        Zic 23 March 2013 17: 15 New
        -8
        She used to be a great empire and now drowns in th * not!
        1. Nick
          Nick 23 March 2013 23: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Zic
          She used to be a great empire and now drowns in th * not!
          It was she under Yeltsin who fell into the dust ... and now, thank God. got out
    2. densyaophyng
      densyaophyng 24 March 2013 00: 11 New
      +1


      Russia main button corner land
  2. fenix57
    fenix57 23 March 2013 07: 12 New
    +8
    The visit of the Chairman of the PRC Government precisely to Russia is a desire to show his "trustworthiness", the desire for long-term cooperation. But we have partners in the same region and we should not forget about them. These are India and Vietnam - not too "great friends" of the PRC (due to territorial disputes).Amerikosy, what else can you expect from them, except for dirty tricks hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 March 2013 07: 16 New
      10
      Amer is sitting and building plans, as if to quarrel, who to put a tidy up. The whole rotten entity goes into arms. They consider themselves the smartest, but in China they also read and draw conclusions of such amers hi
      1. amp
        amp 23 March 2013 08: 04 New
        0
        on a tricky ass there is x ..... with a thread. )))))
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 23 March 2013 08: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        but in China, too, these reports of amers in Sait read and draw conclusions

        Sasha hi ! In confirmation of your words. [Media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? Feature = player_embedded & v = xM_yQlZ2j3U]
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 23 March 2013 08: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , but in China, too, these reports of amers on Sait read and draw conclusions

        Sasha hi ! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xM_yQlZ2j3U]
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 23 March 2013 08: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        in China, too, these reports of amers in Sait read and draw conclusions

        Hello Sasha! And in Russia, too, and not only on the sites [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? Feature = player_detailpage & v = xM_yQlZ2j3U]
      5. bask
        bask 23 March 2013 09: 16 New
        16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        measures are sitting and plans are being built, as if to quarrel someone, to whom to put a tidy up.

        This is understandable by amers, their plans. The old colonial principle. ,,, divide and conquer ,,,,
        The task of Russia is to make, “DANCE,” yankers under ,, OWN PIPE ,, - BAND ... negative
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 23 March 2013 08: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      .Amerikosy, what else can you expect from them, except for dirty tricks

      A key factor in the success of such actions, Mirsky considers Russia's involvement in the blockade of China:
      I think it is wishful thinking. But in general, this quote is suitable here I would like to add one remark to what my colleague said. Not only our mass consciousness is processed within the framework of the "solution of the Chinese question": the Chinese proper too. A banal attempt at bullying. If the United States is bad for them, then let others be just as bad. The strongest survives, so gentlemen, let us be strong. angry
  3. Bigriver
    Bigriver 23 March 2013 07: 13 New
    +7
    "The United States should concentrate on winning the battle for the perception of China (as an enemy - A. G.) by three neighboring countries - Russia, India and Japan." That is, work should be conducted with the public opinion of our countries.

    Yes, it has been going on for a long time.
    Yesterday M. Prokhorov noted:
    "If we talk about the development strategy of the Far East, I think Russia's strategic partner is not China (he is our competitor), but Japan ".
    Read: US satellite. And, probably, for Japan to react favorably to this our desire, do you need to give her a gift in the form of the Kuril Islands?

    Voiced in the media resource of Mr. oligarch http://top.rbc.ru/viewpoint/21/03/2013/850266.shtml
    1. smel
      smel 23 March 2013 07: 32 New
      +5
      Voiced in Mr. oligarch’s own media resource
      This is not surprising. None of the nouveau riches are concerned about the well-being of Russia and its people. Only one oligarch needs - this is loot, and more and faster. And the sooner our people realize that we are not on the road with the Prokhorovs (because they have long understood this and are working with this understanding to their advantage), the faster the chance will appear to live worthily, work and raise children
      1. andrejwz
        andrejwz 23 March 2013 09: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: smel
        Only one oligarch needs - this is loot, and more and faster.

        The trouble is that our representatives of the "public", pop and film suffer the same. Some of them, well, very actively, before the screech, supported the same prokhorov in the elections. The trouble is that not everyone always understands that their attempts in public and political life are also an attempt to fix the loot using their name. And it’s unpleasant to realize that someone is being led by them. Indeed, there are no prohibited methods in a war.
      2. Ustas
        Ustas 24 March 2013 08: 35 New
        -2
        Quote: smel
        we are not on the way with prokhorovyh

        One odious oligarch in England has already died!
        The olig (ahrkhov) frens opposing their country have one end.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 23 March 2013 08: 48 New
      +7
      Oh, these businessmen, would suspend this M Prokhorov for the left oh oh laughing in order to think about it I forgot. In principle, what do we expect from a person who says such a thing? and such building in the USA? Mikhail Prokhorov built a new stadium for the Brooklyn Nets NBA team and this Clown is the owner of this team. [B] (Bloomberg called the event “a great day for Brooklyn and all of New York”, and a Russian businessman promised to bring the level of the arena and basketball teams.

      “Not everyone succeeds in becoming a witness and direct participant in how the city is changing,” said Prokhorov. “In addition, I assure you that the team will be worthy of their new home.”) [/ B [b]] Here are handsome men, such as Prokhorov and Abramovich, I don’t have to build on my own and help my country, these parasites on our body help to our opponents. So who are they after that? [/ B]
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 March 2013 10: 56 New
      12
      Quote: BigRiver
      Yesterday M. Prokhorov noted:
      "If we talk about the development strategy of the Far East, I believe that Russia is not China's strategic partner (he is our competitor), but Japan."


      Now China is buying natural resources from Russia. This causes a terrible indignation among the democratic public. And if a democratic president comes to power in Russia, he can declare the cessation of supplies to China, saying, for example, that the bloody Chinese communists are tyrannizing freedom-loving Tibet. And at this moment, in some cafe, an American intelligence officer tells the Chinese comrade that if you now take the Far East and Siberia from Russia, the United States will not protest much. Well, they will send angry letters and put together a conference. The US will push both states into conflict using provocations. Not without reason, now the democratic media in Russia are writing about the terrible Chinese threat. Just look at the headlines: “The Chinese threat is looming over Russia”, “China is the enemy No. 1 for Russia”, “The occupation of Russia by China is inevitable”. But tell me, gentlemen, which country has China attacked in the last millennium? With the exception of a small conflict on the Damascus Peninsula, did the Chinese attack someone, conquer someone? The Chinese are a very specific people who have always dissolved the conquerors.

      N. Starikov

      The logic is simple - to pit Russia and China with each other and take the whole "gesheft" to yourself as it has already happened in world history more than once. To pit two peoples, it is enough to change power in at least one of the countries, as it was for example in Germany of the 30s. In the USSR, it did not work out in 1927 and ended in the executions of the Zionist international. But in democratic Germany, using the so-called “fair election” tool they beloved, they brought Hitler to power, pumped him with money from their usurious banks, gave them resources and sent the Drang nach Osten campaign. As a result, America turned from a crisis-torn country into a superpower. So where is it easier to implement the scenario of a change of power in Russia or in China? Alas, in Russia, because here is the main American fifth column, which openly conducts work in this direction.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 23 March 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        The logic is simple - to pit Russia and China with each other and take the whole "gesheft" to yourself as it has already happened in world history more than once.

        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. 5 +++
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 March 2013 12: 15 New
        +3
        Iron logic. Excellent understanding of the essence of the problem. AMAZING! hi
      3. ars_pro
        ars_pro 23 March 2013 16: 29 New
        0
        Americans should not forget about their loved ones, and in fact, it’s only thanks to us that they still live well and calmly, in bulk with their problems, and let them say thanks that we do not add fuel to the fire, as they do, moreover, let they are afraid of us, if something happens on their case there, then they will not be up to us. And we have good relations with China, the United States will climb to them, or we will get both from us
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 24 March 2013 08: 40 New
          -2
          Quote: ars_pro
          SAS has its problems in bulk, and let them say thanks for not adding fuel to the fire

          And I would pour diesel fuel on their burning places. To Texas, for example. Let it disconnect.
    4. not good
      not good 23 March 2013 11: 36 New
      13
      Prokhorov should be put on the E-mobile and sent to the E-mother.
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 23 March 2013 12: 23 New
        +1
        quote = negro] Prokhorov should be put on the E-mobile and sent to the E-mother. [/ quote]
        Tolerastnenko too!

        It is better to give the y-chainsaw and cut the y-plot, or "solemnly" give the y-shovel and send it to dig the y-channel.

        Beat your own people (beggar), so that promissory notes are afraid!
      2. wax
        wax 23 March 2013 12: 54 New
        +2
        And since the ё-mobile does not drive, it’s a good kick to fly, ahead of the sound.
    5. wax
      wax 23 March 2013 12: 44 New
      +2
      Mr. Prokhorov refers to a cohort of pro-Western Chubais, Trumps, Gaidars, i.e. enemies of Russian statehood. Definitely.
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 23 March 2013 07: 14 New
    0
    The visit of the Chairman of the PRC Government precisely to Russia is a desire to show his "trustworthiness", the desire for long-term cooperation. But we have partners in the same region and we should not forget about them. These are India and Vietnam, not too "great friends" of the PRC (due to territorial disputes). hi
  5. Goga
    Goga 23 March 2013 07: 22 New
    13
    Our "partners" rolled up their legs late - they dragged China by the ears themselves, grew a counterweight for the USSR, and now they are screaming "gevolt!" and trying to pit us with the Chinese? Come on, ours are going to double trade with China, but here are some mythical "blockades" fool
    The Chinese like us or not, whether we like the Chinese or not - it doesn’t matter, it’s important that in the conditions of the collapse of Western economies, we and the Chinese are simply doomed to expand economic cooperation, and now it is the economy that determines the policy hi
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 23 March 2013 09: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Gogh
      and we and the Chinese are simply doomed to expand economic cooperation

      Igor, welcome! Here is a link to the RT comment to confirm your words, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xM_yQlZ2j3U
      1. Goga
        Goga 23 March 2013 09: 14 New
        +4
        Tersky - Greetings, Victor! As they say - nothing personal - just a business. The Chinese are our neighbors anyway, and it’s better to live with neighbors (all the more so) if not friendship, then in agreement and cooperation - for sure.
      2. bask
        bask 23 March 2013 09: 28 New
        +9
        [quote = Tersky]
        Hi namesake. Yankers brought their production of consumer goods and electronics to China.
        Now the yanker economy is 100% PAPER; $$$$$
        It is necessary to provoke either a small war, or a local conflict.
        We must be friends with China, but with caution. Always keeping in mind the war (((border conflict (((over Father Damansky
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 23 March 2013 10: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: bask
          We must be friends with China, but with caution.

          Basque agrees.
          I believe that until Russia has gained the power of the USSR, Russia should be friends with China against America, and with America against China. And let them bite, the longer, the better for us. And recklessly rush into the arms of China is also not worth it. very tricky politics, then there will be success, otherwise we may be extreme.
          1. bask
            bask 23 March 2013 11: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: baltika-18
            I will follow the policy, then there will be success, otherwise we may be extreme

            Hi baltika. Politics, active neutrality.
            When Russia's interests are above all. Not looking at any contracts.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 23 March 2013 13: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: bask
              Politics, active neutrality.

              Hi Bask. Yes, something like that.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 23 March 2013 15: 02 New
              +5
              . Not looking at any contracts.
              Well, you are a schuster! Thank God not the Minister of Foreign Affairs! In the international arena, reputation is sometimes more expensive than gold! Once you’ll be fortunate enough and no one will trust you anymore. So, dear.
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 23 March 2013 13: 00 New
          +1
          We are peaceful people, but our armored train .... I completely agree.
        3. Denis
          Denis 24 March 2013 02: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: bask
          yankers brought their production of consumer goods and electronics to China
          Here it is necessary to push China and the Yankees. Then consumers will bend over the lack of consumer goods, and the Chinese from unemployment
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 23 March 2013 09: 13 New
      +4
      “Doubling of commodity circulation with the Chinese” means one thing - it’s a forest. gas, metal, etc. nishtyaki. In fact, there is raw materials; back - goods, mostly garbage, which a country claiming to be a world power must produce itself. But the Chinese “turnover” not only does not allow domestic small and medium-sized producers to rise from their knees, but also simply began to KILL the remaining ones. Especially after the "opening" of the economic borders with the Kazakhs, from where a muddy stream of "Kazakh" goods poured, fashioned by the same Chinese people, who also have "tender" relations with the Kazakhs, poured out.
      So, the "two-edged wand." . .
      Again, the cream will be removed by European exporters. . .
      1. homosum20
        homosum20 23 March 2013 12: 23 New
        +6
        I apologize for being wet.
        Rustaiger, but what, the structure of transactions between Russia and the European Union and the United States is different? so what are we losing?
        In addition, very different quality products are manufactured in China. For the United States, one, but for the flea market - others. For example, Asics sneakers, which I brought from America, have already passed 2 years, and the third pass. And the same Asics, bought at the sportsman, went away for a year.
        We make lifting and lifting equipment (very different), and studied how this is in China (competitors need to know).
        So, along the road are factories for the production of VET. We visit everything. And we see that among them there are enterprises that are not inferior to the German Demag and KranBau Oberswald in product quality. For the price, including transport - too. At the other extreme, right in the open field, are the beams of crane bridges, like ants encircled by welders who manually weld belts. Price - gift. To the question "how are you without a roof? And if it rains?" - A simple, uncomplicated answer - and we have cloudy weather 11 days a year. Let's cover with something.
        China is an interesting country. from competent cooperation with them you can get a lot. But one must keep an eye out. They will not miss their own.
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 23 March 2013 15: 45 New
          -1
          About the goods, of course I agree. But now you can buy quite high-quality consumer goods from Europe, especially with the entry into the WTO, Russian markets have opened for them. Domestic factories are forced to reduce the cost of their products either using the worst / cheapest raw materials (often again the Chinese) or reducing the "costs" of wages, which is plus towards any Asian migration. And where is Russia in any small gain?
          The circle is closed. And these are just flowers. "Alive" while at the expense of stocks
          I myself have been walking for 5 years in winter boots produced by the Kazan factory. It is quite strong, only the paint is a little blinkered. The jacket is Finnish, children's clothes or Turkey or local. From Kitaisovsky except household appliances.
          And you know that even screws, rivets, and some nails, like many others. other expenditure on building objects is already China. And we are invited to increase the turnover.
          Their throat is growing. What will happen when we are no longer able to inject our resources into it and the cash we have earned. What puts this locust then come yourself for the "PROMISED" Now it is time for Russia to build the Great ANTI-China Wall -2, following the example of amers with Mexico. And on the towers are flamethrowers. . .

          And it’s time to start making friends more actively with South America and the Latin “Isthmus”. Here they definitely do not and will not have territorial claims on Russia. Well, the pin in the arrogant-Saxon ass oh-oh what.
          Many there themselves are not opposed, especially in the military sphere.
    3. Ustas
      Ustas 24 March 2013 08: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: Gogh
      The Chinese like us or not, whether we like the Chinese or not - it doesn’t matter, it’s important that in the conditions of the collapse of Western economies, we and the Chinese are simply doomed to expand economic cooperation, and now it is the economy that determines the policy

      The Chinese still remember who helped them free them from the Japanese yoke.
      It will not turn out to pit people against Russia and China.
  6. ATATA
    ATATA 23 March 2013 07: 58 New
    10
    USA is a chimera. They are the striking force of the Judeo-financial oligarchs, who, from time immemorial, have become accustomed to building their business on poisoning peoples and inciting wars. In the 20th century, they entered a new lvl in their games; they began to unleash world long wars with tens and hundreds of millions of victims in scale. Since then, their games pose a mortal danger to the planet. On the earth, about 500 families belong to these Jewish financial oligarchs. Therefore, I think it's time to get them to live according to universal rules. Those. it should be a total point physical elimination of this financial elite. Without negotiations and persuasion. Since mankind has already paid too much price and can still pay for their games.
    I think that such a move is super humane compared to letting them play their games further.
    And the task is not very difficult. In complete secrecy, in an organized, methodical way, one after one or all at once, these clans must be eliminated, in the name of the future of humanity.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 March 2013 15: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: ATATA
      Those. it should be a total point physical elimination of this financial elite. Without negotiations and persuasion.

      Sir, are you a fascist !? I may not like them more than yours, but this is not a reason for cannibalism ...
      For them, the most important thing is $$$$$ !!! Therefore, you need to beat the very sick ... yes with confiscation ... And you? "Kill all quietly one by one." This is some kind of criminal right. So things are not done, dear!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 23 March 2013 16: 09 New
        +1
        I put you a "+" for support. But I can not agree with you. You can not persuade these people and how ??? you want to beat them $$$$ if these 500 families own practically all of the property, directly or indirectly, and all the media. Only liquidation. Otherwise, humanity will not suffer commensurate losses. Choose 500 families, well, that's 5-000 people or billions. There will be no third.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 March 2013 16: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: ATATA
      it should be a total point physical elimination of this financial elite.

      I said that burrs need to be beaten on the most sick ... And you did not believe!
      BAB had a lot of loot, he glued fins together! True, before his death, he asked to go back to Russia, apparently hoping to rob the gullible goyim.
  7. amp
    amp 23 March 2013 08: 01 New
    +4
    At the moment, our main enemy is the United States. If we lose the USA, our country will not be. It will be destroyed as the USSR. So, as during the war, we must look for allies, and China will be such an ally. He also has problems with the United States and he also needs allies. Well, when we deal with the American threat, then we need to be prepared for the Chinese threat. As after the war, we became enemies with the United States, after Nazi Germany was destroyed.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 March 2013 08: 02 New
      +6
      Our country, this is the USSR or large Russia. Call what you want. And what we were left with is a piece of my motherland.
      1. amp
        amp 23 March 2013 08: 23 New
        +3
        And they want to break this stub.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 23 March 2013 08: 41 New
          0
          Quote: amp
          And they want to break this stub.

          Best defense is attack.
          1. bask
            bask 23 March 2013 09: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: ATATA
            Best defense is attack.

            ATTACK, I think, ACTIVE DEFENSE !!!
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 23 March 2013 09: 50 New
              0
              laughing laughing Well ATTACK so ATTACK! laughing hi
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 23 March 2013 09: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: amp
      , we must seek allies and China will be such an ally. He also has problems with the United States and he also needs allies.
      ___________
      As after the war, we became enemies with the United States, after Hitler Germany was destroyed.
      Since the Germans were remembered. . .
      They also made friends with them at the end of the 30s of the last century against the Impudent Americans. Yes, how “firmly” that they began to “exchange” military experience. And five years later, they held "joint" exercises.
      It would not have happened with the Chinese. . .
      Just numbers. If every day the Russian-Chinese border will cross ONE mulion friendships then it will take THREE YEARS . . .
      China, by its very nature, has a very secretive policy. They do not "tear their throats" like amers, but they do everything stealthily, and are always in their interests.
      Oooochen dangerous partner. . .
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 23 March 2013 10: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Rustiger
        If ONE MILLION of Friends crosses the Russian-Chinese border every day, it will take THREE YEARS
        Look here for old articles on this topic. Well, just too lazy to write about it already.
        The army must be fed, that they will be in the taiga. And others and others. In your case, you can congratulate those who want to pit Russia and China. You are already their ideological fan.
        The large population of China is its Achilles' heel. you just need to think, and not be scared of numbers.
      2. AK-47
        AK-47 23 March 2013 13: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Rustiger
        Oooochen dangerous partner.

        Americans, unlike the Chinese, have no territorial claims against Russia.
        The Chinese, on the other hand, sleep and see the Trans-Urals as their territory, the proof is the provoked by them armed border conflicts in the 60s.
        The article is in honor of the visit of a Chinese official.
        At one time, the USSR untied its hands to fascism; mistakes cannot be repeated.
        1. Black
          Black 23 March 2013 13: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: AK-47
          Americans, unlike the Chinese, have no territorial claims against Russia.

          Very controversial. The Chinese leaders did not make claims, and from the lips of senior Western officials claims to Siberia are constantly heard.
          Quote: AK-47
          The Chinese are sleeping and see the Trans-Ural region


          It is not.
          Quote: AK-47
          At one time, the USSR untied its hands to fascism,

          What do you mean?
          1. AK-47
            AK-47 23 March 2013 16: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Chen
            ... Western officials claim to Siberia constantly.

            It will be difficult for you to prove.

            Quote: Chen
            It is not.

            Mao Zedong in 1965 said: “We must definitely get Southeast Asia, including South Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore. ... A region such as Southeast Asia is very rich, there are a lot of minerals, it is well worth the expense to get it. In the future, it will be very useful for the development of Chinese industry. Thus, it will be possible to fully recover losses. After we get Southeast Asia, we can increase our strength in this area; then we will have forces opposing the Soviet-Eastern European bloc. ” Mao put forward a global goal: "We must conquer the globe ... where we will create a powerful power." Here is a list of “lost territories”: Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, northern India, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Korea, the Ryukyu Islands, 300 islands of the South China, East China and Yellow Seas, Kyrgyzstan, South Kazakhstan, Afghan Badakhshan Province, Mongolia, Transbaikalia and the south of the Far East right up to Okhotsk. "Lost territories" amount to more than 10 million square meters. km This exceeds the territory of China (9,6 million sq. Km). No other state in the world makes such claims. Nowadays, Mao’s ideas are not forgotten and these claims in the foreign policy arena are not declared, but voiced within the PRC constantly.

            Quote: Chen
            What do you mean?

            Conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 23, 1939.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 23 March 2013 16: 20 New
              +4
              Quote: AK-47
              . Western officials claim Siberia constantly.
              It will be difficult for you to prove.

              Valery Vasilyevich, well, it's just not serious. There I quoted Albright below, what else do you need? This Albright quote is clickable.
              Quote: AK-47
              Mao Zedong in 1965 said: “We must definitely get Southeast Asia.”

              And if we quote the Russian revolutionaries about the world revolution, or the German politicians of the 2nd World War, or the Italian times of ancient Rome, then we can go far.
              In short, Valery Vasilievich be more serious and responsible before sowing confusion on the forum. In your rank it is not excusable. If you want, I will get my topic out of dust, about how the war between Russia and China will go. China has no chance.
              1. AK-47
                AK-47 23 March 2013 16: 55 New
                0
                Quote: ATATA
                ... we will quote Russian revolutionaries about the world revolution

                We refused and forgot the teachings of K. Marx and F. Engels, they are not.

                Quote: ATATA
                China has no chance.

                Well, this is really not serious, their army is in second place in terms of size, armament, and budget after the United States.

                Quote: ATATA
                This is Madeline Albright's justice quote.

                About "justice" and not about territorial claims, feel the difference.
                1. ATATA
                  ATATA 23 March 2013 17: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: AK-47
                  About "justice" and not about territorial claims, feel the difference.

                  Do not engage in demagogy and verbiage, otherwise I will think that the national flags were removed so that people like you could juggle with words and facts.
                  Quote: AK-47
                  Well, this is really not serious, their army is in second place in terms of size, armament, and budget after the United States.

                  Okay, I climbed onto the dusty shelf.
                  Just an agreement, read everything, and then indicate what you do not agree with.
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 23 March 2013 17: 30 New
                    -1
                    Still.
                    There 300 million will be killed and wounded only in the first few days of the war WITHOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Another 300 million will be disorganized to look for food and clothing after the destruction of warehouses and transport arteries, power plants and industrial facilities. And the 600 million army remaining in Siberia will slowly starve to death, without supply, without communication with headquarters and without roads to move

                    Still.
                    Can you imagine the process of moving an army of 600 million, supplying such an army, or will they go to Novosib on the pasture? With the use of weapons of the late 20th century, any large army is just an excellent target for ammunition with napalm and other technological lotions. Our Tu22, which the Chinese do not even have near, can hit the territory of China to strategic depth. Destroy industry infrastructure, communications, ports, airfields. Do not forget how many c300 we have and how many they have in each of them c300 bookmark.

                    The ratio of crucial weapons.
                    Give an example, by what weapons do the Chinese excel us at times?
                    Except for naked asses.
                    Here in the article we have indicated 2100 pu s300 for the Chinese 150 pu s300.
                    Yes, we do not have CP missiles, but how many Tu22 Chinese?

                    Here are the data on the Air Force I take only the most modern aircraft and only fighters, for attack aircraft and strategists there is simply nothing to compare, and so:
                    China 290 heavy multi-functional fighters and interceptors (160 of them are of Russian assembly, I think with bookmarks).
                    Russia 621-712 (figures fluctuate). I take into account only modern ones, but Russia has no old ones, unlike China.
                    China 204 light multi-functional fighters.
                    Russia 254 light multi-functional fighters
                    1. ATATA
                      ATATA 23 March 2013 17: 31 New
                      +1
                      Besides.
                      Calm down already!
                      Most of the population of China and now lives in poverty. Six-day work week with irregular working hours, lack of pensions. As soon as their EU and US markets collapse, China's GDP will collapse at times! About 5/6 of the Chinese population are poor today. They will plunge into chaos and anarchy, a collapse will come with a colossal social explosion. The Chinese are still rebelling not like us, they are going in droves to the local government buildings and kill local leaders, after which a new one comes from Beijing and corrects the mistakes of the old. With a decrease in foreign exchange earnings, it will not be possible to purchase imported raw materials. The modern army is not a horde of nomads who, if they ate all the grass on the pasture, took off, mounted their horses and went to conquer new lands, it’s more complicated. And the weapons of even the end of the 20th century allow non-humane methods to simply exterminate any army of any size, including the Chinese. And what, this army is the largest, the higher the efficiency from the use of weapons. And then it’s one thing to fight in exercises, and another in war, where the Chinese distinguished themselves as warriors ??? Today we know only Damansky and Vietnam. Both there and there they fought on the principle of filling up the enemies with meat and no where they achieved nothing. Yes, and a billion “Kalash” they have not yet made.
                      And in China, everyone understands this very well.
                      Fearing China, you become like the faint-hearted Europeans who look at the map, think: "How great Russia is, it will conquer us now !!!"
                      1. AK-47
                        AK-47 23 March 2013 19: 53 New
                        -1
                        Quote: ATATA
                        Calm down already!

                        Mutually. More correctly respected, more correct.
                        Do not worry.
                        In 2012, the military budget:
                        USA - 662 billion dollars;
                        China - $ 106;
                        Russia is almost $ 60;
                        Great Britain -52 dollars;
                        France, - 44 billion dollars.
                        I do not answer for accuracy, but somehow.
                        Regarding the quality and quantity - they have everything ahead, with our help they will catch up and surpass in five to ten years, would have money.
                        The Chinese are not stupid people, every tenth invention of the global scale is of Chinese origin.
                      2. ATATA
                        ATATA 23 March 2013 20: 43 New
                        0
                        Quote: AK-47
                        Regarding the quality and quantity - they have everything ahead, with our help they will catch up and surpass in five to ten years, would have money.
                        The Chinese are not stupid people, every tenth invention of the global scale is of Chinese origin

                        So we do not stand still. And it is not correct to compare the defense potential only through the size of the budget. For centuries, Russia was economically backward, but this did not prevent it from controlling the largest territory on earth. In addition, China develops throughout its history cyclically from prosperity to chaos and decay, and according to many prominent scholars such as A. Fursov, the next decay will cover China inevitably in the middle of the 21st century. And the Chinese, as far-sighted people, are now preoccupied with how they can survive this period of decay, which will last 50-70 years, with less loss.
                        You see only the achievements of China but do not see their minuses, and there are a lot of them. And one of the main ones is a very fragile social structure, as well as vulnerable and catastrophic infrastructure.
                        But by the way, I do not set myself the task of convincing you, I am only against propaganda of the image of the enemy in the person of China on the pages of the forum and I will not put up with this propaganda. Since I believe that this is at least not a far-sighted and superficial approach, but to a maximum this propaganda is hostile to Russia and is a provocation to incite hostility between countries and prepare for war. That is, these ideas are in the hands of the true enemies of Russia, the Zionist-Anglo-Saxons.
                      3. AK-47
                        AK-47 23 March 2013 21: 29 New
                        -2
                        Quote: ATATA
                        I am only against propaganda of the image of the enemy in the person of China

                        History teaches underestimating the enemy is fraught with fatal consequences.

                        Quote: ATATA
                        ... for example, A. Fursov, the next decay will cover China inevitably in the middle of the 21st century. And the Chinese, as far-sighted people, are now preoccupied with how they can survive this period of decay, which will last 50-70 years, with less loss.

                        You never know who believes that take off your pink glasses and look at the problem objectively.

                        Today, China (China) is a world leader in many areas of the economy. According to the World Bank, China ranks second in contribution to global (nominal) GDP and second in GDP calculated by purchasing power parity ... Now, during the global economic crisis, many countries experience a fall in GDP, a halt in the development of industry and the economy but not in China. If in previous years the PRC was a leader in world economic development, now it is becoming a monopolist in this sphere. It continues to grow when others fall. According to statistics, China is already leading the world in terms of production of over 100 types of products. In China, more than 50% of the cameras sold in the world, 30% of air conditioners, 25% of washing machines, and about 20% of refrigerators are manufactured. In addition, according to customs statistics, China has been the first exporter of textiles, clothing, shoes, watches, bicycles, sewing machines and other labor-intensive products for many years in a row. Since 1989, the average annual increase in China's import and export trade has been 15%. China is the largest lender in the United States. And at the same time, it depends to a large extent on what is happening in these very States. Because if America ceases to acquire Chinese consumer goods, this will create huge domestic problems for China. One of them is the lack of domestic natural resources for an economy growing at such a pace, the other is the liberating gigantic human resources, lack of territory ... China has finally reached the stage in its development when, on the one hand, it has already become so strong that it can begin to expand the “strategic boundaries of living space” by force; on the other hand, internal problems have reached the scale when such expansion becomes necessary. Moreover, no one is able to interfere with him.
                      4. Ustas
                        Ustas 24 March 2013 08: 59 New
                        -3
                        Quote: AK-47
                        take off your pink glasses and look at the problem objectively.

                        Did you last visit Koga in China?
                        Drive there, chat with the people. You will understand everything.
                        China is not our enemy !!! Anyway, bye.
                      5. AK-47
                        AK-47 24 March 2013 09: 48 New
                        0
                        Quote: Ustas
                        Anyway, bye

                        Then it will be too late.
                        A smile on his face is a stone in his bosom.
                      6. Ustas
                        Ustas 24 March 2013 09: 57 New
                        -1
                        Quote: AK-47
                        A smile on his face is a stone in his bosom.

                        Something I did not find a stone.
                        Stop believing the cliches.
                      7. AK-47
                        AK-47 24 March 2013 10: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Ustas
                        Stop believing the cliches.

                        You know what they did to the bodies of those killed and captured by border guards at Damansky, and they also smiled.
                        Find photos on the Internet yourself?
                  2. Denis
                    Denis 24 March 2013 15: 24 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Ustas
                    Drive there, chat with the people. You will understand everything.
                    China is not our enemy !!! Anyway, bye.
                    The seller should always smile despite what he thinks you
                    Even if they do it from the heart, recall cases from history when the people started the war, not the leadership
                2. ATATA
                  ATATA 24 March 2013 09: 02 New
                  -1
                  .
                  Quote: AK-47
                  China produces more than 50% of the cameras sold in the world, 30% of air conditioners, 25% of washing machines and about 20% of refrigerators.

                  Valery Vasilievich for the war does not need cameras, not air conditioning, not washing machines, and not even refrigerators. For war, oil and safe transportation routes are needed. China has neither one nor the other.
                  Once again, I repeat Chinese wisdom.
                  The clever of the enemy will make a friend, the stupid of a friend will make the enemy.

                  Do not make an enemy from China. Russia is full of historical, sworn enemies, these are the Anglo-Saxons and Zionists, do not add new ones.
                  Quote: AK-47
                  throw the NKW dash stuff.

                  And there is no need for tricks in the spirit of the Zionists with hanging stamps and labels.
                  hi
                3. AK-47
                  AK-47 24 March 2013 10: 09 New
                  +1
                  Good morning!
                  Quote: ATATA
                  not cameras, not air conditioners, not washing machines, and not even refrigerators

                  You do not want to see the forests behind the trees.

                  Quote: ATATA
                  For war, oil and safe transportation routes are needed.

                  And what did the Chinese leader come for, what do you think?
                  We give them irreplaceable natural resources, modern technology, weapons, they give us trinkets and our guest workers to assist in the development of the vast expanses of Transbaikalia and the Far East.
                  The clever of the enemy will make a friend, the stupid of a friend will make the enemy.

                  A smart enemy makes a slave out of a stupid friend.

                  Quote: ATATA
                  Zionist style with hanging

                  You would be a good conversationalist if you could do without it.
                  Do not get personal.
            2. AK-47
              AK-47 23 March 2013 21: 38 New
              -1
              Quote: ATATA
              ... I will not put up. Since I believe that this is at least not a far-sighted and superficial approach, but to a maximum this propaganda is hostile to Russia and is a provocation to incite hostility between countries and prepare for war. That is, these ideas are in the hands of the true enemies of Russia, the Zionist-Anglo-Saxons.

              Do not go beyond the bounds of decency, throw NKVDeshih things.

              For information, I do not minus my opponents.
  • Ustas
    Ustas 24 March 2013 08: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: AK-47
    Mao Zedong in 1965 said:

    Once grandmother was a girl ....
    Why am I? ....
    Ah! ... Here! ... Everything in this world is changing.
  • ATATA
    ATATA 23 March 2013 15: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: AK-47
    Americans, unlike the Chinese, have no territorial claims against Russia.

    "It is unfair that a country like Russia has such significant territories in the Far East and Siberia"

    This is Madeline Albright's justice quote.

    It’s a shame, comrade AK-47, in your rank, so superficially understand geopolitics. Your geopolitical illiteracy borders on the betrayal of Russia's interests.
    With their provocative statements about China, you pour water on the mill of the true enemies of Russia, these are the Zionists and their people, the partner of the Anglo-Saxons.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 March 2013 17: 29 New
      0
      Here is an example scenario of a war with China.
      Firstly, China does not have 600 million AKs. Secondly, I’m going to bomb the 600 millionth army of China with napalm, thermobaric ammunition, cluster munitions, scatter antipersonnel mines on their way in many millions of quantities, destroy the sources of drinking water and food in their path, and this is the time!
      In China, the following will be destroyed: factories, ports, airfields, transport arteries, hydroelectric dams and other power plants. I’ll also destroy hundreds of millions of civilians in the maelstroms of bursting water from dams, watch with bated breath with joy, like tens more, maybe hundreds of millions of Chinese people will seek food after the destruction of their infrastructure and be sick from the infectious diseases that broke out, because the corpses they will decompose on the streets, and there will not be enough doctors and medicines for everyone ... Wow! The beauty!!!!
      We must take a breath. Unfortunately, many will call such a war the GENOCIDE of the CHINESE PEOPLE. But I do not have these complexes and I hope our military is not inclined towards them the same.
    2. Denis
      Denis 24 March 2013 02: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: ATATA
      This is Madeline Albright's justice quote.
      And she is not yet where is justice?
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 23 March 2013 15: 57 New
    +6
    QUOTE: AK-47 "At one time the USSR untied its hands to fascism, mistakes cannot be repeated."
    Be smarter, do not repeat shirpotrebskie stupid shit, read better O. Kazinkina "Myths and outright lies about Russian history ..."
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 23 March 2013 16: 03 New
      0
      Quote: BoA KAA
      read better O. Kazinkina


      And who can guarantee that Kazankin does not work for the State Department?
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 23 March 2013 17: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: BoA KAA
      Be smarter, do not repeat Shirpotrebskie nonsense

      Dear, the pact was signed on August 23, 1939, and a week later the Second World War began, how do you think it would have started if the pact had not been signed? Not demagogy, but the brain must be turned on.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 23 March 2013 17: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: AK-47
        The pact was signed on August 23, 1939, and in a week the Second World War began, how do you think it would have started if the pact had not been signed?

        Of course it began. A week is not a deadline. A week means that the machine has been running for a long time, and stopping it is more expensive for itself. A week means that a decision has been made, troops in areas of concentration, saboteurs have long been in Poland, the whole country, including the economy, is put on a military footing.

        If the war began in half a year, only then could one argue about something.
        1. AK-47
          AK-47 23 March 2013 18: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Week is not a deadline

          The signing of the treaty is the tip of the iceberg, which is preceded by lengthy negotiations, at which time both sides prepared for the invasion.
          These are six months.
  • Ustas
    Ustas 24 March 2013 08: 52 New
    -2
    Quote: AK-47
    The Chinese are sleeping and see the Trans-Urals as their territory

    And where is the entot nonsense from?
  • domokl
    domokl 23 March 2013 08: 17 New
    +2
    An article, or rather a statement of the opinion of the Internet. But only as an opinion. The author proceeds from the wrong postulate initially. The world, including politics, is ruled by the economy. And in the article, political interests are put first and foremost.
    Americans are as dependent on supplies from China as China is dependent on their exports. In Chinese industry, American business, like the business of other developed countries, makes extensive use of Chinese opportunities. Huge investment of foreign capital and the possibility of losing it is the best guarantee for China. There is no blockade in in principle, it cannot be, unless of course there are no suicides among Western politicians.
    The distribution of such articles is intended to sow the seed of discord between Russia and China. The position of these countries in Syria has shown everyone who has real power at the present time.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 March 2013 08: 21 New
      +1
      In this article on the site just no contention between Russia and China is not sown. On the contrary, the article calls not to succumb to provocation. Discord is sowed by amers with their arguments about the naval blockade of China.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 23 March 2013 08: 56 New
        -1
        And if you try to block the sea from the United States? I think this idea will be to many tastes. But in general, what are they going to block from the sea? Russia will help China through land, railway and its pipeline, in the end, Russia will be in the black, from such a course of events, but for the United States this is not necessary. So the conversation is empty, and this is another test for lice, and the search for "partners" of the United States, by provocation.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 23 March 2013 09: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Sirocco
          And if you try to block the sea from the United States?

          Great thought, develop it in detail. From what directions we will block, by what forces, who will be our allies, who will be allies of the United States. After that, evaluate the chances of success of your proposal.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 23 March 2013 08: 20 New
    +7
    Quote: Gogh
    they themselves dragged China by the ears, grew a counterweight to the USSR

    I don’t know who China was “growing” us, as opposed to it, but this is frank nonsense!

    China raised the USSR - we read the history of our relationship. He quarreled with China, the great helmsman - Nikita Khrushchev. His speech at the XXII Congress of the CPSU was decisive. According to its results, Mao proclaimed himself a true communist, since he considered Khrushchev a revisionist of Marxist-Leninist and Stalinist theory. Brezhnev, only exacerbated the breakdown, because there was the same "peacock"!
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 23 March 2013 08: 27 New
      0
      Quote: VadimSt

      I don’t know who China was “growing” us, as opposed to it, but this is frank nonsense!
      China raised the USSR - we read the history of our relationship. He quarreled with China, the great helmsman - Nikita Khrushchev.

      +
      In addition, the United States tried to adjust the development of China's course from the inside.
      We look: "Tiananmen (1989)."
  • fenix57
    fenix57 23 March 2013 08: 24 New
    0
    Quote: BigRiver
    Russia, India and Japan. ”

    Only not Japan, immediately the question of the Kuril Islands will be raised, and there the question will reach South Sakhalin. And the US does not apply here to intervene. hi
  • max-02215
    max-02215 23 March 2013 08: 25 New
    +3
    I don’t think China and Japan will give up territorial claims. too much tidbits, and in the case of eastern Siberia, also access to the Arctic, another matter while our nuclear potential is still strong, it is better to have us as allies. And you can’t lose time, I think, not a lot of it, Re-equip yourself with modern high-precision weapons, and then, after all, they will crush the mass .....
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 23 March 2013 13: 19 New
      0
      With a competent, wise policy, Japan, under pressure from the USA, may yield to us and recognize the Kuril Islands as ours ... In the hope of our concessions to block China. We, having received the necessary, can bypass possible agreements and play our game ... Perhaps in the complicated situation everyone will be ready to make concessions not only for our participation in something, but simply for our neutrality ... The worse the relationship between The United States and China are all the better for us ... We must help this process ... Although it is also impossible to rush it much ...
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 24 March 2013 09: 03 New
        0
        Quote: MstislavHrabr
        With a competent, wise policy, Japan, under pressure from the United States, may yield to us and recognize the Kuril Islands as ours ..

        So they are so ours. Or do you doubt it?
  • Barmen
    Barmen 23 March 2013 08: 42 New
    0
    Here again they pit and balamut ... They can shoot them like mad ??? wassat Type option, if not with China, then at least to tighten Japan, and then fit in for them .. Yes figs that will come out, it seems. I myself live 30 km from China. and nothing. There is no hysteria with neighbors and 2 mass dominance2 on their part. The wife, as she darts there a couple of times a year for rags, will continue to ride. half-DV does that. And everything is fine.
    1. polly
      polly 23 March 2013 23: 27 New
      +1
      Well, well, that sound voices of the Far East are heard! I'm already tired of writing the same thing. We live close by, and provocateurs develop hysteria!
  • kvodrato
    kvodrato 23 March 2013 08: 55 New
    +3
    China is our neighbor and strategic friend and Amer let them rest.
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 23 March 2013 20: 07 New
      -4
      Good neighbor -
      1. opkozak
        opkozak 23 March 2013 21: 35 New
        0
        The section of carcasses of pangangius in China
      2. opkozak
        opkozak 23 March 2013 21: 37 New
        +4
        Beijing Textiles
  • Denis
    Denis 23 March 2013 09: 02 New
    14
    Mirsky believes Russia's involvement in the blockade of China
    I hope that the leadership will not act on this. These non-traditional in their traditional manner want everything others would do.

    our joint answer
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 March 2013 16: 01 New
      +7
      The hieroglyph - complete mortality! I respect laughing
  • OlegYugan
    OlegYugan 23 March 2013 09: 13 New
    +8
    This article calls for taking sides in China or America, and can send them, and be on its own. Not taking sides, only a purely pragmatic approach. We are on our own - we are RUSSIA. We will not give our own, and we don’t need a stranger. soldier
    1. Zic
      Zic 23 March 2013 17: 19 New
      +1
      I agree! We must send both of them to x ...
      1. I think so
        I think so 23 March 2013 20: 55 New
        +2
        If it doesn’t work out, then THEY will unite and then Russia certainly has nothing to catch ... only a fool can offer this ...
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 23 March 2013 09: 29 New
    0
    Sooner or later, China will start rocking again on our lands, and Russia alone will not be able to cope here.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 March 2013 09: 51 New
      +4
      Do not provoke better. Restless you are ours.
    2. Vipirozhnikow
      Vipirozhnikow 23 March 2013 09: 57 New
      -2
      He is already rocking the boat. Every year we give land under various agreements signed by our government. And here I am interested in the following - do the President and our esteemed security council think that “Asian dragon = on” can be appeased with such handouts? China is demanding more and more. Who is more dangerous for us than the United States or China? One of our closest neighbors. The most advantageous position for us is to play off the Americans and Chinese. This tactic has always been used by Western countries (especially Great Britain and the USA) in the fight against us, so why shouldn't we do that? It is necessary to collide the interests of our most dangerous opponents, to wait until they exhaust their resources as much as possible, and then help both to "get aside".
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 23 March 2013 10: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: ViPirozhnikow

        He is already rocking the boat. Every year we give land under various agreements signed by our government.

        Give an example of what is given every year. And it looks like a cheap provocation.
        Quote: ViPirozhnikow
        Who is more dangerous for us than the United States or China? One of our closest neighbors.

        Although it seems you really are just a provocateur.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 23 March 2013 10: 22 New
          +2
          The demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 23 March 2013 10: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Krasnoyarets
            The demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005

            So every year or in 2005?
        2. Vipirozhnikow
          Vipirozhnikow 23 March 2013 19: 13 New
          +2
          Provocateur? If you have a different opinion, then I will listen to him instead of contemplating an unfounded accusation.
    3. wax
      wax 23 March 2013 12: 58 New
      +2
      With neighbors it is better to live in friendship than in enmity. But, to paraphrase Lenin, the state is only worth something if it knows how to defend itself.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 23 March 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    The idea of ​​blocking China from the sea has initially been flawed! In that part of Southeast Asia where China is located, it is almost impossible to block the country and not hurt other interests !!
    China is one of the three economic whales ........... and how to strangle China without destroying the global economy ???
  • Rustiger
    Rustiger 23 March 2013 09: 52 New
    0
    Quote: amp
    , we must seek allies and China will be such an ally. He also has problems with the United States and he also needs allies.
    ___________
    As after the war, we became enemies with the United States, after Hitler Germany was destroyed.

    Since the Germans were remembered. . .
    They also made friends with them at the end of the 30s of the last century against the Impudent Americans. Yes, how “firmly” that they began to “exchange” military experience. And five years later, they held "joint" exercises.
    It would not have happened with the Chinese. . .
    Just numbers. If every day the ONE muleen of friends crosses the Russian-Chinese border, it will take THREE YEARS . . .
    China, by its very nature, has a very secretive policy. They do not "tear their throats" like amers, but they do everything stealthily, and are always in their interests.
    Oooochen dangerous partner. . . no
  • Nitup
    Nitup 23 March 2013 09: 55 New
    +2
    Good article. The military-political leadership of both Russia and China perfectly understands who and why are trying to quarrel our countries. And, as we see, only strengthens our interaction.
  • Tartary
    Tartary 23 March 2013 09: 58 New
    +7
    Yesterday at a press conference, I noticed that Ways looked a long, long cunning look when Comrade Xi spoke of his success ...
    Putin spoke briefly and succinctly - he played Good.
    Xi Jiping spoke pathetically, boastfully - he played "Bad."

    But it was clear that Bad and Good clearly conspired!

    So the Americans do not shine - Ways and C, see the same dreams about a strong union ...
    Let Americans not ski in vain for skiing, in an attempt to sneak up unnoticed, but rather keep a complete set of fins for ship crews ----- “Onyx” and “Mosquitoes” are already on their way to the East!
  • erased
    erased 23 March 2013 10: 19 New
    +5
    Strange, but the authors said “A” and forgot to say “B”. The USA has its own interests with the world. China has its own interests in the world. And each of the parties wants to use Russia as a supporter, a donor, a reserve bridgehead and more.
    Do not forget that in the world Russia has no friends, there are temporary "not enemies".
    We must skillfully and clearly lead our line, weakening the enemies, periodically playing along with either side. But always remember that China and the United States and others lick their lips, looking at the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, the black earth, the Arctic and other regions.
    A strong army, a nuclear shield, precision weapons, a strong economy, a powerful and proud nation are good help in the battle.
    However!..
    The current government is dancing to the tune of the United States, China, Europe, anyone. In this situation, maintaining independence and territory seems problematic.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 23 March 2013 16: 14 New
      0
      Quote: erased
      The United States and others lick their lips, looking at the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, the black earth, the Arctic and other regions.


      A zone of risky agriculture, a zone with high obstruction, a zone of extremely adverse weather conditions, etc. Che whales do not know what the conditions are in Alaska? Canada (neighbor) are the same whales in essence! Something is not very Canadians noticeable at the global level!

      And among your friends there are many who have gone to the open spaces of Siberia?
      Why so?

      Why is Israel in a high position in agricultural products?
      Is there enough sun?
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 23 March 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    The 21st century will bring a lot of "surprises." Technologies are developing 1000 times faster than 20 meters. Information spreads instantly all over the world and becomes a powerful weapon. The manipulation of public consciousness is worse than the ships of a foreign power.
    A public explosion within any of the countries under consideration will bring irreversible consequences to the life of the whole world.
    The main threat to internal peace. Weapons become a profitable product that will require constant modernization and updating.
    The rapid development of transport and technology makes any "hot" conflict unprofitable.
    While in this race we are in the lead - we have the most powerful transport PIPELINE, which is becoming longer and more powerful.
    1. UAZ Patriot
      UAZ Patriot 23 March 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      There is more powerful internet. And he is not with us!
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 23 March 2013 12: 24 New
        0
        I agree, but I repeat the 21st century will bring a lot of "surprises." Technologies are developing 1000 times faster than 20 meters.
        So do not lower the paws.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 23 March 2013 11: 30 New
    -1
    Before you block China, you need to mentally remove all Chinese goods from the shelves of the store, tear out all Chinese boards from your computers ... processors and other husks, and then it’s easy to start fantasizing. And secondly, China and Russia will be allies by any means (well, if some kind of bald Horseradish doesn’t show up again) because in this alliance real power awakens and this is recognized both here and there.
  • elmi
    elmi 23 March 2013 11: 35 New
    +2
    Yes, but how many times we danced to someone else's tune. How many times have we been baited, and other countries have baited us: Napoleon, Japan, 1 and 2 world. But to your surprise, you understand that history does not teach, everyone understands that this time we will not be led, but in reality it turns out that we or other countries are stepping on the rake again.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 23 March 2013 11: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Sirocco
    The strongest survives, so gentlemen, let us be strong.

    Or the smartest! Information wars are aimed at this. But until we become the strongest, we need to be “smarter friends with everyone” who can help (at least influence in the direction we need) in upholding our nations. interests. Politics is a system of checks and balances. Now we are friends with India (the counterbalance to the PRC), friends with the PRC (the counterbalance to the US), and we are cooperating with the USA so that China does not have unnecessary temptations, etc. EM Primakov, being the Minister of Foreign Affairs, correctly said: we need 20 years to not stick out anywhere in order to become the former Union, which the States reckoned with. Let's be smart friends! holding, just in case, a vigorous baton behind him.
  • not good
    not good 23 March 2013 11: 54 New
    +1
    If you draw parallels between the events preceding the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, you will find a lot in common, whereas now China and the Western countries sang Japan. The result is a war. Therefore, you need to be friends with China as much as possible, but prepare your army specifically for a possible war with China, but with the United States, there is enough information war and more active.
    1. amp
      amp 23 March 2013 13: 12 New
      +2
      If we are talking about a land war, then yes, but if we are talking about air or sea war, then it is the United States that should be considered as a potential adversary.
  • Rustiger
    Rustiger 23 March 2013 12: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Negoro
    Prokhorov should be put on the E-mobile and sent to the E-mother.

    Tolerastnenko too!
    It is better to give the y-chainsaw and cut the y-plot, or "solemnly" give the y-shovel and send it to dig the y-channel.

    Beat your own people (beggar), so that promissory notes are afraid!
  • amp
    amp 23 March 2013 13: 07 New
    +1
    In general, I like how it behaves in the Chinese and American issues of the Russian Federation. Definitely does not take anyone's position. In fact: let the Chinese and Americans split their foreheads, why should we actively participate in this?

    The whole problem is that both the US victory and the Chinese victory are disadvantageous to us.
    It is to our advantage that they weaken each other as much as possible, and during this time themselves maximize their strength.
    We now have a unique opportunity to strengthen geopolitically without spending our money and shedding blood, but on the contrary, earning. Both the USA and China will try to pull us to their side. You will see, soon either Obama, or some other big shot from the USA to Moscow will come running. We must use the moment here. For example, require them to leave Syria alone, but do not promise anything themselves. In general, act as the Americans themselves act.
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 23 March 2013 13: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: ViPirozhnikow
    He is already rocking the boat. Every year we give land under various agreements signed by our government. And here I am interested in the following - do the President and our esteemed security council think that “Asian dragon = on” can be appeased with such handouts? China is demanding more and more. Who is more dangerous for us than the United States or China? One of our closest neighbors. The most advantageous position for us is to play off the Americans and Chinese. This tactic has always been used by Western countries (especially Great Britain and the USA) in the fight against us, so why shouldn't we do that? It is necessary to collide the interests of our most dangerous opponents, to wait until they exhaust their resources as much as possible, and then help both to "get aside".


    the most advantageous position is to play off India and China, everyone is playing this card now) plus for you, analysis of norms
  • stranik72
    stranik72 23 March 2013 13: 45 New
    0
    "So the Americans do not shine - Ways and C, see the same dreams about a strong union ..."
    In 1941 we were pitted with Germany, our sworn Anglo-Saxon friends "helped" us. So, such a variant is possible with the PRC too, today the weakest link in this triangle is Russia, it is closest to the PRC and richest in all natural resources. Russia is the shortest path to hegemony in the world in the 21st century, and people dream of it. Anglo-Saxons and Chinese. I think everyone understands this and therefore we are doing everything right, try to “be friends” with everyone and don’t forget to pump muscles and this is right today, but what will happen tomorrow?
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 23 March 2013 14: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: stranik72

      In 1941 we were pitted with Germany, our sworn Anglo-Saxon friends "helped" us.

      There are no parallels here.
      Adolf purposefully and methodically led the United States and the Angles to a specific goal, starting in the 20s.
      They invested in Germany, as in a "big project."
      The German economy, without devouring neighboring countries and their economies, resources, was bankrupt.
      China is a sovereign state that naturally grew into a superpower. Moreover, contrary to the expectations of the main hegemon-USA.
      Yes, China’s economic power will someday be converted into political power. But, it does not follow from this that China will for some reason devour all surrounding countries and territories. This, IMHO, is a primitive horror story in the style of the Anglo-Saxons. For them - the only understandable course of action.
      1. stranik72
        stranik72 23 March 2013 15: 25 New
        +2
        As for the parallels, you know better, but about the historical fact about the “friendship and so forth” it is undeniable. As for devouring territories and countries, Russia and some of our former republics are already paying with territories for "friendship", so that "horror stories" or reality, I think, will be visible for 5 years.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 23 March 2013 16: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: stranik72
          "horror stories" or reality, I think within 5 years it will be seen.

          There is still such a thing.
          The more prosperous a society of a state, the more “satiated” it is, the more stable it is, the less likely it is to be armed aggression, expanding such a state outside.
          To deploy even a dysfunctional society in one direction by war — this takes years, or rather, decades of indoctrination. Well this is not a semi-partisan, sluggish war, such as Syria. Where they scored any rabble from all over the region and forward.
          Still. It is not clear where you got the thesis that we, Russia, are the shortest path to world hegemony in China. China's strategic goals have been voiced for a long time, and hegemony is not a goal. A harmonious, wealthy society within the framework of Greater China is their goal. Dates are also named - approximately 2040.
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 23 March 2013 17: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: BigRiver
        There are no parallels here.


        Such a trifle as consumption is somehow missed! Stripes are the largest consumer of hydrocarbons, aren't they? China also! those. those who have more developed industry and need raw materials! However, if you made you need to sell! Who do you sell if you destroyed your market?
        Why is it necessary to destroy Russia if the Russians are sweeping away all r .... what are they importing to us? And we must have loot to buy it all.
        China: / At the same time, the population density of China is 139 people per square kilometer. / Just ? They still have a sea of ​​territories not populated!
        And China has the richest minerals.
        Earthlings are not far from discovering sources alternative to hydrocarbons besides atomic energy.
        Hurt and dad beat! And the Chinese got a record growth growth due to the compact (dense) living and mild climate.
        The Chinese would try to make a similar breakthrough in the forests and swamps of Siberia.
        It is unlikely that they did it.
  • Castor oil
    Castor oil 23 March 2013 14: 21 New
    -2
    The article is no longer relevant - you’ll already argue with China, they bought gas from us for a quarter of a century, and this is only the beginning of a long and mutually beneficial trade. And the Americans are just being fenced off with all sorts of Jackson-brooms-Magnetic-pro, and at the same time they are yelling about "overloads" - let them go, let them quarrel with the Chinese bully
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 23 March 2013 16: 37 New
    -1
    China, it (yes !!!) is white and fluffy ... Symposium is simple ...

    Chinese sweetheart ...
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 23 March 2013 18: 59 New
      +2
      Only a cunning friend can be worse than a sworn enemy ...

      Fans of the "great" China note. Very indicative map (clickable, size - 800x550). Take a closer look at her ...
  • Zic
    Zic 23 March 2013 17: 21 New
    0
    China may be pressed against me. And they are gaining power.
  • Vipirozhnikow
    Vipirozhnikow 23 March 2013 19: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Chicot 1
    Only a cunning friend can be worse than a sworn enemy ...

    Absolutely right.
  • Vipirozhnikow
    Vipirozhnikow 23 March 2013 19: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: ATATA
    Quote: Krasnoyarets
    The demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005

    So every year or in 2005?


    In October 2004, during a visit to China by Vladimir Putin, an additional agreement was signed on the Russian-Chinese border, providing for the transfer to China of the Bolshoi and Tarabar islands, as well as the division of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island into Russian and Chinese parts. The federal law approving the additional agreement was ratified by both chambers of the Russian parliament and signed by the president in 2005.

    On July 21, 2008, in line with the provisions of the agreement, the Foreign Ministers of the Russian Federation and China signed the “Additional Protocol-Description of the Russian-Chinese State Border Line in its Eastern Part”, which determined the border line in the vicinity of the Bolshoi, Tarabarov and Bolshoi Ussuriysky islands. The entire territory of the Tarabarov island (in the Chinese version - Yinlundao, the island of the Silver Dragon) and half of the Big Ussuri island (Heisyatszydao, the island of the Black Bear) went to the Chinese side. The total area transferred under control of Beijing amounted to 174 square meters. km

    Dear ATATA, you are certainly right that it is not "every year", but it is also not small, and this is not the only example of such agreements with "additional conditions" at the request of China.
  • albert
    albert 23 March 2013 20: 51 New
    +3
    Guys this is not the topic but on the box say that Berezovsky died in London!
  • fenix57
    fenix57 24 March 2013 00: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: OlegYugan

    This article calls for taking sides in China or America, and can send them, and be on its own.

    I support. To take sides is to make a choice. But is it not more profitable to observe from the side, gently strengthening your position. hi
  • Conepatus
    Conepatus 24 March 2013 02: 11 New
    +4
    Sooner or later, but Russia will have to fight China. China is developing, it needs resources, it needs land. If you do not count Mongolia, Russia and Kazakhstan, then all the other neighbors have a high population density, but they don’t have minerals, but they don’t have in those volumes. China and Mongolia will not attack China until they deal with Russia. I think it would be easier to “suddenly” bring down the percent of Russia's nuclear arsenal to China. I understand that it is bloodthirsty and not democratic, but there are no options.
    I have the impression that Russia and China are well aware that they will have to fight, but both countries feel insecure. The one who decides first will win. IMHO.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 24 March 2013 04: 33 New
    -5
    A hot topic ... Russia and China have always been allies and what is interesting they will be (well, I hope that the new Kukuruzngik will not appear). And on the subject of blocking China ... there is no need to block, just throw a couple of bombs in the wreck of southern China .. and you will not believe that all of China will fall ... or lie ..., and by the way this is not my opinion, this opinion the Chinese themselves. And stop discussing China as a state of aggression, that's why they are building up their potential, well, I’ll help mine next to the Japanese ..... even the Chukchi began. ... China will never succumb to Russia (we read the story), and you know why? (We read the story) .. and this story can go on indefinitely, What kind of goat came up with the idea that you could kill China with a block, what part of the body did you think ?,