Globe remote. "The task is to pit Russia against China. It's not easy, but let's get started"

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Globe remote. "The task is to pit Russia against China. It's not easy, but let's get started"The topic of the "Chinese threat" to Russia and its unexpected popularity in domestic information sources is extremely relevant. The work of the American researcher Sean Mirsky, dedicated to the naval blockade of China, has already been mentioned on our website the other day. Nevertheless, this text is curious enough to parse it in more detail. It provides answers to some questions that relate to the source of such a popular topic in the media. In particular, it answers the question of who and why will be the main "beneficiary" from a possible cooling of Russian-Chinese relations, which may occur under the influence of intimidation of our fellow citizens by "aggressive China".

So, the study is interesting by the very fact of a serious study of the possibility of a naval blockade of China by the United States. But this, after all, is predictable - China is growing and more than other countries threatens the sole American dominance in the world. The Americans need to do something about this. Actually, Sean Mirsky himself says that the naval blockade will destroy the Chinese economic potential, since China is critically dependent on maritime transport in foreign trade, as well as in the flow of raw materials. Much more interesting are some of the findings of the study, which relate to the measures necessary for a successful blockade of China. These measures have something to do with us.

Mirsky believes that the key factor in the success of such actions is the involvement of Russia in the blockade of China: “...in stories The blockade of China never succeeded without the tacit consent of the Russians." He admits that without the participation of Russia, the blockade of the PRC project turns out to be technically unfeasible for objective reasons.

At first, on other routes of movement of raw materials and goods - the United States may have an impact. This could be political pressure on transit countries or military strikes. Mirsky, for example, is considering attacking the transport infrastructure of countries that China is currently trying to use as an alternative to maritime transport. It is noted that the PRC understands its vulnerability to a naval blockade and is investing heavily in land access routes to the Indian Ocean, bypassing the straits.

"Military coercion" against Russia Mirsky considers impossible because of our defense potential. That is, there would be no potential - they would talk about the bombing not only of Myanmar, but also of us. So, you need to look for other methods.

Secondly, Russia will be able to compensate for the blockade in other directions for China: “... for example, China may try to shift all its international trade to the Russian direction, and even if Moscow is inclined to support the United States, they will not be able to do this when they collide with significant pressure from their business community.” Read: the benefits from such trade will outweigh any benefits from supporting the Americans. In addition, Russia and Kazakhstan will be able to cover a significant part of China's energy needs, which will also deprive the blockade of any meaning: "... Russia, on the one hand, will be China's hope to overcome the American blockade, on the other hand, it will also be for the United States the key to closing the transit route through Central Asia and preventing oil supplies to China.”

Based on this, the success of the blockade depends on the creation by the Americans of an anti-Chinese coalition by attracting neighboring countries to it, primarily Russia, India and Japan. And if Japan is planned without a twinge of conscience to be used as "cannon fodder", then, thank God, direct military participation is not required from Russia and India yet: "... Neither Russia nor India will have to participate in the American military operation, but they will have to tacitly support American action through national embargoes against China."

Now Mirsky rightly considers Russia's "tacit support" of such actions by the United States as an incredible and even fantastic scenario. However, if there is such a need, then it is necessary to work on its implementation - Americans are more inclined to work on changing reality in their own interests than to "wait for the mercy of nature." And Mirsky is quite frank about what can change the situation from fantastic to possible.

He believes that Russian fears of China can help: “The possibility of Russia agreeing to US actions against China may seem ephemeral. However, Russian military officials often express concern about the rise of China and its encroachment on the Far East. The pressure of Chinese growth could be a spur to future Russian-American reconciliation, as Russian leaders may decide that a rising China on the borders is a greater danger than a troubled but distant United States.

The question arises: will the Americans rely on the fact that “the curve will take it out by itself” and the Russian leaders, in an embrace with military officials, will unanimously change Russian policy in the direction the Americans need, or are they ready to influence the situation? The answer is easily found in the same text: "The United States should concentrate on winning the battle to perceive China (as an enemy - A. G.) by three neighboring countries - Russia, India and Japan." That is, work should be carried out with the public opinion of our countries. And something tells me that the “battle for perception” is already underway. There are too many "stretched on the globe" facts and suspiciously persistent publications.

... Well, the growing China is really closer to us than the distant Americans. Perhaps that is why we are strengthening military cooperation with China, and not with the United States. Well, really, should we be interested in American dominance and the dubious benefits of "friendship" with them? The consequences of American dominance have never benefited anyone but the Americans themselves. We should be interested in our own dominance and our own growth, and not the attempts of "distant and problematic" Americans to remain the dominant force where no one needs them.

PS Viktor Marakhovsky

I would like to add one remark to what my colleague said. Not only our mass consciousness is being processed within the framework of the "solution of the Chinese question": the Chinese itself is also. If anyone watched the second film about Kung Fu Panda, they will remember: there the plot is built around a negative character on the imperial throne of the Celestial Empire, who wants to interrupt the blessed isolation of the country and go to conquer foreign lands. The positive heroes are actually engaged in the fact that they are smashing the navy (!) Of their homeland. So as not to interrupt the silence, smoothness and Taoist grace.

Given the natural tendency of Chinese civilization to pupate in itself, Hollywood figures know what to put pressure on. By the way, American big-budget films of the turn of the 1980s and 90s about Russia put pressure on the completely organic Russian "if only there was no war." As a result, we got a lot of these wars and everywhere.
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  1. +2
    23 March 2013 07: 04
    again they help in pitting us from the west ... divide and conquer ...
    1. kvodrato
      +19
      23 March 2013 09: 01
      divide and conquer their meaning of existence
      1. say
        say
        -8
        23 March 2013 17: 15
        She was once a great empire and now she is drowning in shit!
        1. +3
          23 March 2013 23: 58
          Quote: Zic
          She was once a great empire and now she is drowning in shit!
          It was she who, under Yeltsin, got into shit ... but now, thank God. got out
    2. densiaophyng
      +1
      24 March 2013 00: 11


      Main button russia corner earth
  2. fenix57
    +8
    23 March 2013 07: 12
    The visit of the Chairman of the Government of the People's Republic of China to Russia is a desire to show his "reliability", a desire for long-term cooperation. But we have partners in the same region and we should not forget about them. This is India and Vietnam - not too "big friends" of China (due to territorial disputes).And the Americans, what else can you expect from them, except for dirty tricks hi
    1. +10
      23 March 2013 07: 16
      Amers are sitting and making plans, how to quarrel someone, who would put a little scoundrel. hi
      1. amp
        amp
        0
        23 March 2013 08: 04
        on a cunning ass there is x ..... with a thread. ))))))
      2. +1
        23 March 2013 08: 47
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        but in China, too, they read such reports of amers on Sait and draw conclusions

        Sasha hi ! In confirmation of your words.[media=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xM_yQlZ2j3U]
      3. +1
        23 March 2013 08: 50
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , but in China, too, they read such reports of amers on Sait and draw conclusions

        Sasha hi ! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xM_yQlZ2j3U]
      4. +1
        23 March 2013 08: 56
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        in China, too, they read such reports of amers on Sait and draw conclusions

        Hello Sasha! And in Russia too, and not only on sites [media=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xM_yQlZ2j3U]
      5. bask
        +16
        23 March 2013 09: 16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Measures are sitting and plans are being made, how to quarrel someone, to whom to put a mean trick.

        This is understandable for amers, their plans. The old colonial principle. ,,, divide and conquer ,,,,
        The task of Russia is to force the ,, DANCE ,, yankers to, negative
    2. +3
      23 March 2013 08: 37
      Quote: fenix57
      .And the Americans, what else can you expect from them, except for dirty tricks

      Mirsky sees Russia's involvement in the blockade of China as a key factor in the success of such actions:
      I think this is wishful thinking. And in general, this quote fits here I would like to add one remark to what my colleague said. Not only our mass consciousness is being processed within the framework of the "solution of the Chinese question": the Chinese itself is also. Banal attempt at persecution. Since the United States is bad for them, then let others be just as bad. Survival of the fittest, so gentlemen, let's be strong. angry
  3. +7
    23 March 2013 07: 13
    “The United States should focus on winning the battle over the perception of China (as an enemy - A. G.) by three neighboring countries - Russia, India and Japan.” That is, work should be carried out with the public opinion of our countries.

    Yes, it has been going on for a long time.
    Yesterday M. Prokhorov noted:
    "If we talk about the strategy for the development of the Far East, I think Russia's strategic partner is not China (it is our competitor), but Japan".
    Read: US satellite. And, probably, in order for Japan to favorably react to this desire of ours, we need to make her a gift in the form of the Kuril Islands?

    Voiced in Mr. Oligarch's own media resource http://top.rbc.ru/viewpoint/21/03/2013/850266.shtml
    1. +5
      23 March 2013 07: 32
      Voiced in Mr. Oligarch's own media resource
      There is nothing surprising in this. None of the nouveau riche is concerned about the well-being of Russia and its people. Only one oligarch needs - this is loot, moreover, more and faster. And the sooner our people realize that we are not on the same path with the Prokhorovs (because they have long understood this and are working with this understanding for their own benefit), the sooner there will be a chance to live with dignity, work and raise children
      1. +4
        23 March 2013 09: 40
        Quote: smel
        Only one oligarch needs - this is loot, moreover, more and faster.

        The trouble is that our representatives of the "public", pop and cinema suffer from the same. Some of them, well, very actively, to the point of squealing, supported the same Prokhorov in the elections. The trouble is that not everyone always understands that their attempts in public and political life are also an attempt to protect the loot using their name. And it is unpleasant to realize that after all someone is on them. Indeed, there are no forbidden tricks in war.
      2. -2
        24 March 2013 08: 35
        Quote: smel
        we are not on the way with the prokhorovs

        One odious oligarch in England has already died!
        Olig (akhrkhov) Frens who oppose their country have one end.
    2. +7
      23 March 2013 08: 48
      Oh, these businessmen, hang this M Prokhorov by the left oh oh laughing forgot to think about it. In principle, what do we expect from a person who speaks like that? and such building in the USA? Mikhail Prokhorov built a new stadium for the Brooklyn Nets NBA team, and this Clown is the owner of this team.[b] commands.

      “Not everyone manages to become a witness and a direct participant in how the city is changing during their lifetime,” said Prokhorov. – In addition, I assure you that the team will be worthy of its new home.”)[/b[b]] Here are handsome men, such as Prokhorov and Abramovich, No need to build at home, and help our country, these parasites on our body help our adversaries. So who are they after that?[/b]
    3. +12
      23 March 2013 10: 56
      Quote: BigRiver
      Yesterday M. Prokhorov noted:
      "If we talk about the strategy for the development of the Far East, I believe that Russia's strategic partner is not China (it is our competitor), but Japan."


      Now China is buying natural resources from Russia. This causes terrible indignation among the democratic public. And if a democratic president comes to power in Russia, he can announce the termination of supplies to China, saying, for example, that the bloody Chinese communists are tyrannizing freedom-loving Tibet. And at this moment, in some cafe, an American intelligence officer tells a Chinese comrade that if you now take the Far East and Siberia from Russia, then the United States will not strongly protest. Well, send angry letters and convene a conference. The United States will push both states to the conflict, using provocations. It is not for nothing that the democratic media in Russia are already writing about the terrible Chinese threat. Just look at the headlines: “Chinese Threat Looms Over Russia,” “China is Russia’s No. 1 Enemy,” “China’s Occupation of Russia is Inevitable.” But tell me, gentlemen, which country has China attacked in the last millennium? With the exception of a small conflict in the Damascus Peninsula, did the Chinese attack someone, conquer someone? The Chinese are a very specific people who have always dissolved conquerors in themselves.

      N.Starikov

      The logic is simple - play Russia and China against each other and take all the "gesheft" for yourself, as it has happened many times in world history. To pit two peoples, it is enough to change the government in at least one of the countries, as was the case, for example, in Germany in the 30s. In the USSR, it did not work out in 1927 and ended with the executions of the Zionist International. But in democratic Germany, using the instrument of "fair elections" so beloved by them, they brought Hitler to power, pumped him with money from their usurious banks, gave him resources and sent him on a campaign "Drang nach Osten" As a result, America turned from a country torn by a crisis into a superpower. So where is it easier to implement the scenario of a change of power in Russia or in China? Alas, in Russia, because here is the main American fifth column, which is openly working in this direction.
      1. +1
        23 March 2013 11: 26
        Quote: Ascetic
        The logic is simple - play Russia and China against each other and take all the "gesheft" for yourself, as it has happened many times in world history.

        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. 5+++
      2. +3
        23 March 2013 12: 15
        Iron logic. Excellent understanding of the problem. AMAZING! hi
      3. 0
        23 March 2013 16: 29
        Americans should not forget about their loved ones, and in fact, it is only thanks to us that they still live well and calmly, SASH has its own problems in bulk, and let them say thank you that we do not add fuel to the fire, as they do, and everywhere, let they are afraid of us, if they happen to have something crack there, then they will not be up to us. And we have good relations with China, will the United States climb into them or will they receive us from both
        1. -2
          24 March 2013 08: 40
          Quote: ars_pro
          SASH has a lot of its own problems, and let them say thank you that we do not add fuel to the fire

          And I would pour diesel fuel on their burning places. To Texas, for example. Let him disconnect.
    4. not good
      +13
      23 March 2013 11: 36
      Prokhorov should be put on the Yo-mobile and sent to the Yo-mother.
      1. Rustiger
        +1
        23 March 2013 12: 23
        quote = negoro] Prokhorov should be put on the Yo-mobile and sent to the Yo-mother. [/ Quote]
        Too tolerant!

        It is better to give a yo-chainsaw and cut a yo-plot, or "solemnly" hand over a yo-shovel and send to dig a yo-canal.

        Beat your own (proshka) so that the Vekselbergs are afraid!
      2. wax
        +2
        23 March 2013 12: 54
        And since the yo-mobile does not drive, then a good kick to fly ahead of the sound.
    5. wax
      +2
      23 March 2013 12: 44
      Mr. Prokhorov belongs to the cohort of pro-Western Chubais, Kozyrevs, Gaidars, ie. enemies of Russian statehood. Definitely.
  4. fenix57
    0
    23 March 2013 07: 14
    The visit of the Chairman of the Government of the People's Republic of China to Russia is a desire to show his "reliability", a desire for long-term cooperation. But we have partners in the same region and we should not forget about them. This is India and Vietnam - not too "big friends" of China (due to territorial disputes). hi
  5. Goga
    +13
    23 March 2013 07: 22
    Our "partners" rolled up their legs late - they themselves dragged China by the ears, grew a counterweight for the USSR, and now they are squealing "gevolt!" and are trying to pit us against the Chinese? Come on, what the hell, ours are going to double the trade turnover with China, and here are some mythical "blockades" fool
    Whether we like the Chinese or not, whether the Chinese like us or not, is not important, the important thing is that in the conditions of the collapse of Western economies, both we and the Chinese are simply doomed to expand economic cooperation, and now it is the economy that determines policy hi
    1. +4
      23 March 2013 09: 02
      Quote: Gogh
      and we and the Chinese are simply doomed to expand economic cooperation

      Igor, welcome! Here is a link to the RT comment to confirm your words, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xM_yQlZ2j3U
      1. Goga
        +4
        23 March 2013 09: 14
        Tersky - Greetings, Victor! As they say - nothing personal - just business. The Chinese are our neighbors in any case, and it is better to live with neighbors (especially such ones), if not in friendship, then in harmony and cooperation - for sure.
      2. bask
        +9
        23 March 2013 09: 28
        [quote = Tersky]
        Hello namesake. Yankers brought their production of consumer goods and electronics to China.
        Now the yanker economy is 100% PAPER ;$$$$$
        It is necessary to provoke either a small war or a local conflict.
        We must be friends with China, but with caution. Always keeping in mind the war (((border conflict (((for Damansky Island.
        1. +8
          23 March 2013 10: 34
          Quote: bask
          We must be friends with China, but with caution.

          I agree with Bask.
          I believe that while Russia has not gained the power of the USSR, Russia should be friends with China against America, and with America against China. And let them squabble, the longer, the more profitable for us. a very cunning policy, then there will be success, otherwise we may turn out to be extreme.
          1. bask
            +2
            23 March 2013 11: 11
            Quote: baltika-18
            and other policies, then there will be success, otherwise we may turn out to be extreme

            Hello baltica. Policy, ACTIVE neutrality.
            When the interests of Russia are above all. Regardless of any agreements.
            1. +1
              23 March 2013 13: 24
              Quote: bask
              Policy, ACTIVE neutrality.

              Hi Bask. Yes something like that.
            2. +5
              23 March 2013 15: 02
              .Not looking at any contracts.
              Well, you're a jerk! Thank God not the Minister of Foreign Affairs! In the international arena, reputation is sometimes more valuable than gold! Once you screw up and no one will trust you anymore. So, dear.
        2. +1
          23 March 2013 13: 00
          We are peaceful people, but our armored train .... I completely agree.
        3. +3
          24 March 2013 02: 14
          Quote: bask
          Yankers brought their production of consumer goods and electronics to China
          Here it is necessary to push China against the Yankees. Then consumers will die from the lack of consumer goods, and the Chinese from unemployment
    2. Rustiger
      +4
      23 March 2013 09: 13
      "Doubling the commodity turnover with the Kitais" means one thing - they are forested. gas, metal and other nishtyaki. In fact, there are raw materials; back - a product, mostly GARBAGE, which a country claiming to be a WORLD power must produce itself. But the Chinese "turnover" not only does not allow domestic small and medium-sized producers to rise from their knees, but also simply began to FINISH the rest. Especially after the "opening" of economic borders with the Kazakhs, from where a muddy stream of "Kazakh" goods poured out, made by the same Kitais, who also have "tender" relations with the Kazakhs.
      So, that "wand something about two ends." . .
      Again, the "cream" will be removed by European exporters. . .
      1. +6
        23 March 2013 12: 23
        I apologize for being wet.
        Rustaiger, is the structure of Russia's deals with the European Union and the USA different? so what do we lose?
        In addition, very different quality goods are produced in China. For the United States, one, and for the flea market - others. For example, Asics sneakers, which I brought from America, have been running for 2 years, and the third one is passing. And the same Asics, bought in the sportmaster, went away in a year.
        We make transport and lifting equipment (very different), and studied how this is the case in China (you need to know the competitors).
        So along the road there are factories for the production of VET. We visit everything. And we see that among them there are enterprises that are not inferior to the German Demag and KranBau Oberswald in terms of product quality. For the price, including transport - too. At the other pole, right in the open field, there are beams of crane bridges, as if covered with ants by welders who manually weld the belts. Price - gift. To the question "how are you without a roof? And if it rains?" - a simple, straightforward answer - and we have cloudy weather 11 days a year. Let's cover something.
        China is an interesting country. You can get a lot from competent cooperation with them. But you have to keep your ears open. They won't let go of theirs.
        1. Rustiger
          -1
          23 March 2013 15: 45
          About the goods, of course I agree. But now you can buy quite high-quality consumer goods from Europe, especially with the entry into the WTO, Russian markets have opened up for them. Domestic factories are forced to reduce the cost of their products, either using the worst / cheap raw materials (more often, again, from Kitais) or reducing the "costs" of wages, which is a plus in the direction of any Asian migration. And where is Russia in any small gain?
          The circle is closed. And that's just the flowers. "Alive" so far due to reserves
          I myself have been walking for 5 years in winter boots manufactured by the Kazan factory. It's pretty solid, just the paint is a little worn. Finnish jacket, children's clothes or Türkiye or local. From Kitais, except for household appliances.
          Did you know that even screws, rivets, and some nails, like many others. other expenses at construction sites are already in China. And we are offered to INCREASE trade.
          Their throat is growing. What will happen when we can no longer throw our resources into it and the cash we have earned. What prevents these locusts from coming for the "PROMISED" themselves? So it's time for Russia to build the Great Anti-Chinese Wall -2, following the example of the Amers with Mexico. And on the towers are flamethrowers. . .

          And it's time to start making friends more actively with South America and the Latin "Isthmus". Here they definitely do not have and will not have territorial claims to Russia. Well, the pin in the impudent Saxon ass is oh-ho-ho.
          There, many themselves do not mind, especially in the military sphere.
    3. -2
      24 March 2013 08: 43
      Quote: Gogh
      Whether we like the Chinese or not, whether the Chinese like us or not, is not important, the important thing is that in the conditions of the collapse of Western economies, both we and the Chinese are simply doomed to expand economic cooperation, and now it is the economy that determines policy

      The Chinese still remember who helped free them from the Japanese yoke.
      Pundos will not be able to pit Russia and China.
  6. +10
    23 March 2013 07: 58
    USA is a chimera. They are the striking force of the Judesco financial oligarchs, who, since time immemorial, have been accustomed to building their business on pitting peoples and fomenting wars. In the 20th century, they reached a new level in their games, they began to unleash long-term world wars in terms of scale and tens and hundreds of millions of victims. Since then, their games have been a deadly danger to the planet. On earth, these Jewish financial oligarchs include about 500 families. Therefore, I think it's time to force them to live according to universal rules. Those. we should talk about the total targeted physical liquidation of this financial elite. No negotiations or agreements. Since humanity has already paid too much price and can still pay for their games.
    I think this move is super humane compared to letting them play their games.
    And the task is not very difficult. In complete secrecy, in an organized, methodical way, one by one or all at once, these clans must be eliminated, in the name of the future of mankind.
    1. +2
      23 March 2013 15: 37
      Quote: ATATA
      Those. we should talk about the total targeted physical liquidation of this financial elite. No negotiations or agreements.

      Sir, are you a fascist!? I may not like them more than yours, but this is not a reason for cannibalism ...
      For them, the most important thing is $$$$$!!! Therefore, you need to hit on the sickest person ... yes, with confiscation ... And you? "Kill everyone on the sly one by one." This is some kind of criminal law. That's not how things are done, dear!
      1. +1
        23 March 2013 16: 09
        Put you "+" for support. But I cannot agree with you. You can't persuade these people and how??? you want to beat them $$$$ if these 500 families own practically all the property directly or indirectly and all the media. Only liquidation. Otherwise, humanity will suffer incommensurable losses. Choose 500 families, well, that's 5-000 people, or billions. There will be no third.
    2. +2
      24 March 2013 16: 55
      Quote: ATATA
      we should talk about the total targeted physical liquidation of this financial elite.

      I told you that burrs should be beaten on the most sick ... But you did not believe!
      BAB has run out of loot, he glued his flippers together! True, before his death, he asked to return to Russia, apparently still counting on robbing the gullible goyim.
  7. amp
    amp
    +4
    23 March 2013 08: 01
    At the moment, our main enemy is the United States. If we lose to the USA, our country will not exist. It will be destroyed like the USSR. So, as in a war, we must look for allies, and China will be such an ally. He also has problems with the United States and he also needs allies. Well, when we deal with the American threat, then we need to be ready for the Chinese threat. How after the war we became enemies with the United States, after Nazi Germany was destroyed.
    1. +6
      23 March 2013 08: 02
      Our country, this is the USSR or big Russia. Call it whatever you want. And what was left to us is a stub of my homeland.
      1. amp
        amp
        +3
        23 March 2013 08: 23
        And they want to destroy this stub.
        1. 0
          23 March 2013 08: 41
          Quote: amp
          And they want to destroy this stub.

          Best defense is attack.
          1. bask
            +2
            23 March 2013 09: 33
            Quote: ATATA
            Best defense is attack.

            ATTACK, I think, ACTIVE DEFENSE !!!
            1. 0
              23 March 2013 09: 50
              laughing laughing Well ATTACK so ATTACK! laughing hi
    2. Rustiger
      +2
      23 March 2013 09: 57
      Quote: amp
      , we must look for allies and China will be such an ally. He also has problems with the United States and he also needs allies.
      ___________
      How after the war we became enemies with the United States, after Nazi Germany was destroyed.
      Since we remembered the Germans. . .
      They also "befriended" them at the end of the 30s of the last century against the Brazen Americans. Yes, how "strong" that they began to "exchange" military experience. And five years later they held "joint" exercises.
      The same would not have happened with the Kitais. . .
      Just numbers. If every day the Russian-Kitais border will be crossed ONE multion friends, then it will take THREE YEARS . . .
      China, at its core, is pursuing a very covert policy. They do not "tear their throats" like amers, but they do everything on the sly, and always in their own interests.
      A very dangerous "partner". . .
      1. +2
        23 March 2013 10: 12
        Quote: Rustiger
        If every day ONE million friends cross the Russian-Chinese border, then it will take THREE YEARS
        Look here for older articles on the subject. Well, I'm just too lazy to write about it.
        The army must be fed, that they will eat in the taiga. And others and others. In your case, you can congratulate those who want to pit Russia and China. You are already their ideological admirer.
        China's large population is its Achilles' heel. You just need to think, and not be afraid of numbers.
      2. AK-47
        0
        23 March 2013 13: 13
        Quote: Rustiger
        A very dangerous "partner".

        The Americans, unlike the Chinese, have no territorial claims against Russia.
        The Chinese, on the other hand, are sleeping and see the Trans-Urals as their territory, as evidenced by the armed border conflicts provoked by them in the 60s.
        The article is conjectural, in honor of the visit of a Chinese official.
        At one time, the USSR untied the hands of fascism; mistakes cannot be repeated.
        1. +4
          23 March 2013 13: 36
          Quote: AK-47
          The Americans, unlike the Chinese, have no territorial claims against Russia.

          Very debatable. The Chinese leaders made no claims, and from the mouths of high-ranking Western officials claims to Siberia are constantly heard.
          Quote: AK-47
          The Chinese sleep and see the Trans-Urals as their territory


          It is not.
          Quote: AK-47
          At one time, the USSR untied the hands of fascism,

          What do you mean?
          1. AK-47
            0
            23 March 2013 16: 06
            Quote: Chen
            ... Western officials claim to Siberia are constantly heard.

            It will be difficult for you to prove it.

            Quote: Chen
            It is not.

            Mao Zedong said in 1965: “We must definitely get Southeast Asia, including South Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore. ... An area like Southeast Asia is very rich, there are many minerals, it is well worth the expense to get it. In the future, it will be very useful for the development of Chinese industry. Thus, it will be possible to fully recover the losses. After we get Southeast Asia, we can increase our forces in this area; then we will have forces opposing the Soviet-East European bloc. Mao put forward a global goal: "We must conquer the globe ... where we will create a powerful state." Here is a list of "lost territories": Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, northern India, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Korea, the Ryukyu Islands, 300 islands of the South China, East China and Yellow Seas, Kyrgyzstan, South Kazakhstan, Afghan Badakhshan province, Mongolia, Transbaikalia and the south of the Far East up to Okhotsk. "Lost territories" amount to more than 10 million square meters. km. This exceeds the territory of China (9,6 million sq. km). No other state in the world makes such claims. In our time, Mao's ideas are not forgotten, and these claims in the foreign policy arena are not declared, but voiced within the PRC constantly.

            Quote: Chen
            What do you mean?

            Conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 23, 1939.
            1. +4
              23 March 2013 16: 20
              Quote: AK-47
              Western officials' claims to Siberia are constantly heard.
              It will be difficult for you to prove it.

              Valery Vasilievich, well, it's just not serious. There, below, I quoted Albright, what else do you need? This Albright quote is clickable.
              Quote: AK-47
              Mao Zedong said in 1965: “We must definitely get Southeast Asia

              And if we quote Russian revolutionaries about the world revolution, or German politicians from the 2nd World War, or the Italian times of ancient Rome, then we can go far.
              In short, Valery Vasilyevich, be more serious and responsible before you sow confusion on the forum. In your rank, this is unforgivable. If you want, I will get you my topic out of the dust, about how the war between Russia and China will go. China has no chance.
              1. AK-47
                0
                23 March 2013 16: 55
                Quote: ATATA
                ... we will quote Russian revolutionaries about the world revolution

                We refused and forgot the teachings of K. Marx and F. Engels, they are not.

                Quote: ATATA
                China has no chance.

                Well, this is really not serious, their army is in second place in terms of numbers, armament, and budget after the United States.

                Quote: ATATA
                This is a quote from Madeleine Albright about justice.

                About "justice", not about territorial claims, feel the difference.
                1. 0
                  23 March 2013 17: 28
                  Quote: AK-47
                  About "justice", and not about territorial claims, feel the difference.

                  Do not engage in demagogy and verbiage, otherwise I will think that the national flags have been removed so that people like you can juggle words and facts.
                  Quote: AK-47
                  Well, this is really not serious, their army is in second place in terms of numbers, armament, and budget after the United States.

                  Okay, I climbed onto the dusty shelf.
                  Only an agreement, read everything, and then indicate what you do not agree with.
                  1. -1
                    23 March 2013 17: 30
                    Still.
                    There, 300 millions will be killed and wounded only in the first few days of the war WITHOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Another 300 million will be in a disorganized search for food and clothing after the destruction of warehouses and transport arteries, power plants and industrial facilities. And the army of 600 million remaining in Siberia will slowly die of hunger, without supplies, without communication with headquarters and without roads to move

                    Still.
                    Can you imagine the process of moving an army of 600 million, supplying such an army, or will they graze as far as Novosib? In the conditions of the use of weapons of the late 20th century, any large army is just an excellent target for napalm ammunition and other technological gadgets. Our Tu22s, which the Chinese don’t even have close to, can hit Chinese territory to a strategic depth. Destroy industrial infrastructure, communications, ports, airfields. Don't forget how many s300s we have and how many they have, and in each of their s300s there is a bookmark.

                    The ratio of decisive types of weapons.
                    Give an example of what weapons the Chinese are superior to us at times?
                    Except for bare butts.
                    Here in the article it is indicated that we have 2100 pu s300 for the Chinese 150 pu s300.
                    Yes, we don’t have SR missiles, but how many Tu22s do the Chinese have?

                    Here is the data for the Air Force, I take only the most modern aircraft and only fighters, there is simply nothing to compare in terms of attack aircraft and strategists, and so:
                    China 290 heavy multifunctional fighters and interceptors (of which 160 are Russian-built, I think with bookmarks).
                    Russia 621-712 (figures fluctuate). I take into account only modern ones, but Russia does not have old ones, unlike China.
                    China 204 light multirole fighters.
                    Russia 254 light multirole fighters
                    1. +1
                      23 March 2013 17: 31
                      Besides.
                      Calm down already!
                      Most of China's population still lives in poverty. Six-day working week with irregular working hours, no pensions. As soon as their EU and US sales markets collapse, China's GDP will collapse at times! Approximately 5/6 of the population of China today are poor. They will plunge into chaos and anarchy, there will be a collapse with a colossal social explosion. The Chinese are still rebelling differently from us, they gather in crowds to come to the buildings of local government and kill local leaders, after which a new one comes from Beijing and corrects the mistakes of the old ones. With a decrease in foreign exchange earnings, it will not be possible to purchase imported raw materials. The modern army is not a horde of nomads who, if they ate all the grass on the pasture, took off, mounted horses and went to conquer new lands, everything is more difficult. And weapons even at the end of the 20th century make it possible to simply destroy any size army, including the Chinese, by inhumane methods. And the larger this army, the higher the efficiency from the use of weapons. And then it’s one thing to fight in exercises, and another in a war where the Chinese distinguished themselves as warriors ??? Today we know only Damansky and Vietnam. And here and there they fought on the principle of filling up the enemies with meat, and nowhere did they achieve anything. Yes, and they have not yet made a billion "Kalash".
                      And in China, everyone understands this very well.
                      Fearing China, you are like the faint-hearted Europeans who look at the map, think: "How great Russia is, now it will conquer us !!!"
                      1. AK-47
                        -1
                        23 March 2013 19: 53
                        Quote: ATATA
                        Calm down already!

                        Mutually. Correct, dear, correct.
                        Don't sweat it.
                        In 2012, the military budget:
                        USA - $662;
                        China - $106;
                        Russia almost - 60 dollars;
                        United Kingdom -52 dollars;
                        France, - 44 dollars.
                        I'm not responsible for the accuracy, but something like that.
                        Regarding the quality and quantity - they have everything ahead, with our help they will catch up and surpass in five to ten years, would have money.
                        The Chinese are not stupid people, every tenth invention of the world scale is of Chinese origin.
                      2. 0
                        23 March 2013 20: 43
                        Quote: AK-47
                        Regarding the quality and quantity - they have everything ahead, with our help they will catch up and surpass in five to ten years, would have money.
                        The Chinese are not stupid people, every tenth invention of the world scale is of Chinese origin

                        So we don't stand still. And it is not correct to compare the defense potential only through the size of the budget. Russia has been economically backward for centuries, but this did not prevent it from controlling the largest territory on earth. In addition, China develops throughout its history cyclically from prosperity to chaos and decay, and according to many prominent scientists, such as A. Fursov, the next collapse will inevitably cover China in the middle of the 21st century. And the Chinese, as far-sighted people, are now concerned about how they can survive this period of decay, which will last 50-70 years, with less losses.
                        You only see China's achievements, but you don't see their disadvantages, and there are a lot of them. And one of the main ones is a very fragile social structure, as well as a vulnerable and catastrophic infrastructure.
                        But by the way, I do not set myself the task of convincing you, I am only against the propaganda of the image of the enemy in the face of China on the pages of the forum and I will not put up with this propaganda. Since I think that this is at least not a far-sighted and superficial approach, but at the maximum it is propaganda hostile to Russia and is a provocation to incite hatred between countries and prepare for war. That is, these ideas play into the hands of the true enemies of Russia, the Zionist-Anglo-Saxons.
                      3. AK-47
                        -2
                        23 March 2013 21: 29
                        Quote: ATATA
                        I am only against the propaganda of the image of the enemy in the face of China

                        History teaches underestimation of the enemy is fraught with fatal consequences.

                        Quote: ATATA
                        ... for example A. Fursov, the next collapse will inevitably cover China in the middle of the 21st century. And the Chinese, as far-sighted people, are now concerned about how they can survive this period of decay, which will last 50-70 years, with less losses.

                        You never know who thinks, take off the rose-colored glasses and look at the problem objectively.

                        Today, the Celestial Empire (China) is the world leader in many areas of the economy. According to the World Bank, China ranks second in terms of contribution to world (nominal) GDP and second in terms of GDP calculated at purchasing power parity ... Now, during the global economic crisis, many countries are experiencing a decline in GDP, a halt in the development of industry and economy but not in China. If in previous years the PRC was the leader of world economic development, now it is becoming, in fact, a monopoly in this area. It keeps rising when others fall. According to statistics, China already leads the world in terms of production of over 100 types of products. China produces more than 50% of cameras sold in the world, 30% of air conditioners, 25% of washing machines and approximately 20% of refrigerators. In addition, according to customs statistics, China has been the first exporter of textiles, clothing, shoes, watches, bicycles, sewing machines and other labor-intensive products for many years in a row. Since 1989, the average annual growth of China's import and export trade has been 15%. The Celestial Empire is the largest creditor of the USA. And at the same time, to a large extent, it depends on what is happening in these same States. Because if America stops buying Chinese consumer goods, it will create huge internal problems for China. One of them is the lack of internal natural resources for an economy growing at such a pace, the other is the huge human resources being released, the lack of territory ... China has finally reached a stage in its development when, on the one hand, it has already become so strong that it can begin to expand the "strategic boundaries of the living space" by force, on the other hand, internal problems have reached the scale when such an expansion becomes necessary. However, no one can stop him.
                      4. -3
                        24 March 2013 08: 59
                        Quote: AK-47
                        take off your rose-colored glasses and look at the problem objectively.

                        When was the last time you were in China?
                        Go there and talk to people. You will understand everything.
                        China is not our enemy!!! Anyway, for now.
                      5. AK-47
                        0
                        24 March 2013 09: 48
                        Quote: Ustas
                        Anyway, until

                        Then it will be too late.
                        A smile on your face is a stone in your bosom.
                      6. -1
                        24 March 2013 09: 57
                        Quote: AK-47
                        A smile on your face is a stone in your bosom.

                        Something I did not find a stone.
                        Stop believing in stamps.
                      7. AK-47
                        +1
                        24 March 2013 10: 25
                        Quote: Ustas
                        Stop believing in stamps.

                        You know what they did with the bodies of those killed and captured by the border guards on Damansky, while they also smiled.
                        Can you find photos on the Internet?
                      8. +2
                        24 March 2013 15: 24
                        Quote: Ustas
                        Go there and talk to people. You will understand everything.
                        China is not our enemy!!! Anyway, for now.
                        The seller should always smile despite what he thinks you
                        Even if they do it from the heart, recall cases from history when the people started the war, not the leadership
                      9. -1
                        24 March 2013 09: 02
                        .
                        Quote: AK-47
                        China produces more than 50% of cameras sold in the world, 30% of air conditioners, 25% of washing machines and approximately 20% of refrigerators.

                        Valery Vasilyevich for war, we need not cameras, not air conditioners, not washing machines, and not even refrigerators. War requires oil and safe ways to transport it. China has neither.
                        Once again I will repeat the Chinese wisdom.
                        A smart person will make a friend out of an enemy, a stupid person will make an enemy out of a friend.

                        Don't make an enemy out of China. Russia is full of historical, sworn enemies, these are Anglo-Saxons and Zionists, do not add new ones.
                        Quote: AK-47
                        drop the NKVD stuff.

                        And there is no need for tricks in the spirit of the Zionists with stamps and labels.
                        hi
                      10. AK-47
                        +1
                        24 March 2013 10: 09
                        Good morning!
                        Quote: ATATA
                        not cameras, not air conditioners, not washing machines, and not even refrigerators

                        You don't want to see the forest for the trees.

                        Quote: ATATA
                        War requires oil and safe ways to transport it.

                        What do you think the Chinese leader came for?
                        We give them irreplaceable natural resources, modern technologies, weapons, they give us trinkets and their gastro-workers to assist in the development of the vast expanses of Transbaikalia and the Far East.
                        A smart person will make a friend out of an enemy, a stupid person will make an enemy out of a friend.

                        A smart enemy makes a slave out of a stupid friend.

                        Quote: ATATA
                        the spirit of the Zionists with hanging

                        You would be a good conversationalist if you could do without it.
                        Don't get personal.
                      11. AK-47
                        -1
                        23 March 2013 21: 38
                        Quote: ATATA
                        ... I will not put up. Since I think that this is at least not a far-sighted and superficial approach, but at the maximum it is propaganda hostile to Russia and is a provocation to incite hatred between countries and prepare for war. That is, these ideas play into the hands of the true enemies of Russia, the Zionist-Anglo-Saxons.

                        Do not cross the boundaries of decency, drop the NKVD stuff.

                        For your information, I do not minus my opponents.
            2. -1
              24 March 2013 08: 55
              Quote: AK-47
              Mao Zedong in 1965 said:

              When my grandmother was a girl...
              Why am I?....
              Ah!... Here!... Everything in this world is changing.
        2. +1
          23 March 2013 15: 56
          Quote: AK-47
          The Americans, unlike the Chinese, have no territorial claims against Russia.

          "It is not fair that a country like Russia has such significant territories in the Far East and Siberia"

          This is a quote from Madeleine Albright about justice.

          It's a shame, comrade AK-47 in your rank, to understand geopolitics so superficially. Your geopolitical illiteracy borders on a betrayal of Russia's interests.
          With your provocative statements about China, you pour water on the mill of the true enemies of Russia, these are the Zionists and their people, the Anglo-Saxons.
          1. 0
            23 March 2013 17: 29
            Here is an approximate scenario for a war with China.
            Firstly, China does not have 600 million AKs. Secondly, yes, I am going to bomb China's 600 millionth army with napalm, thermobaric munitions, cluster munitions, scatter "petal" anti-personnel mines in their path in many millions, destroy sources of drinking water and food in their path, and this is the time!
            In China, factories, ports, airfields, transport arteries, hydroelectric dams and other power plants will be destroyed. I will also destroy hundreds of millions of civilians in whirlpools of water that has broken through from dams, I will watch with bated breath as dozens, or maybe hundreds of millions of Chinese will look for food after the destruction of their infrastructure and get sick from outbreaks of infectious diseases, because the corpses will decompose on the streets, and there will not be enough doctors and medicines for everyone ... Wow! Beauty!!!!
            We need to take a breath. Unfortunately, many will call such a war the GENOCIDE OF THE CHINESE PEOPLE. But I don’t have these complexes, and I hope our military is not inclined to them either.
          2. +1
            24 March 2013 02: 06
            Quote: ATATA
            This is a quote from Madeleine Albright about justice.
            And she's still not the one, where is the justice?
        3. +6
          23 March 2013 15: 57
          QUOTE: AK-47 "At one time, the USSR untied the hands of fascism, mistakes cannot be repeated."
          Be smarter, do not repeat the consumerist stupidity of shitokrats, read better O. Kazinkin "Myths and outright lies about Russian history ..."
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            0
            23 March 2013 16: 03
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            read better O. Kazinkin


            And who can guarantee that Kazankin is not working for the State Department?
          2. AK-47
            +1
            23 March 2013 17: 06
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Be smarter, don't repeat consumerist nonsense

            Dear, the pact was signed on August 23, 1939, and a week later the Second World War began, do you think it would have started if the pact had not been signed? Not demagogy, but the brain must be turned on.
            1. +3
              23 March 2013 17: 17
              Quote: AK-47
              the pact was signed on August 23, 1939, and a week later the second World War began, do you think it would have started if the pact had not been signed?

              Of course it started. A week is not a long time. A week means that the car has been running for a long time, and stopping it is more expensive for yourself. A week means that the decision has been made, the troops are in the areas of concentration, the saboteurs have long been on the territory of Poland, the country as a whole, including the economy, has been put on a war footing.

              If the war started in half a year, only then it would be possible to argue about something.
              1. AK-47
                0
                23 March 2013 18: 59
                Quote: Spade
                A week is no time

                The signing of the treaty is the tip of the iceberg, preceded by lengthy negotiations, at which time both sides were preparing for the invasion.
                Here are those six months.
        4. -2
          24 March 2013 08: 52
          Quote: AK-47
          The Chinese sleep and see the Trans-Urals as their territory

          And from where entot nonsense?
  8. +2
    23 March 2013 08: 17
    The article, more precisely, a statement of the opinion of the interen. But only as an opinion. The author proceeds from the wrong postulate from the very beginning. The world, including politics, is ruled by the economy. And in the article, political interests are put in the first place.
    Americans are as dependent on supplies from China as China is dependent on its exports. In Chinese industry, American business, like the business of other developed countries, makes extensive use of Chinese opportunities. Huge investments of foreign capital and the possibility of losing them are the best guarantee for China. No blockade in in principle, it cannot be, unless of course there are no suicides among Western politicians.
    The dissemination of such articles is intended to sow a seed of discord between Russia and China. The position of these countries on Syria showed everyone who is the real power at the present time.
    1. +1
      23 March 2013 08: 21
      In this article on the site, just no discord is sown between Russia and China. On the contrary, the article calls not to succumb to provocations. Discord is sown by amers with their arguments about the naval blockade of China.
      1. -1
        23 March 2013 08: 56
        And if you try to blockade the United States from the sea? I think this idea will appeal to many. But in general, what were they going to block from the sea? Russia will help China through land, railways and its pipelines, as a result, Russia will be in the black from such a course of events, but this is not necessary for the United States. So the conversation is empty, and this is another test for lice, and the search for "partners" of the United States, by provocation.
        1. +1
          23 March 2013 09: 14
          Quote: Sirocco
          And if you try to blockade the United States from the sea?

          Great idea, elaborate on it. From what directions will we block, with what forces, who will be our allies, who will be the allies of the United States. After that, give an estimate of the chances of success of your proposal.
  9. +7
    23 March 2013 08: 20
    Quote: Gogh
    they themselves dragged China by the ears, grew a counterweight for the USSR

    I don’t know who China “grew” us as a counterbalance, but this is blatant nonsense!

    China raised the USSR - we read the history of our relationship. We quarreled with China, the great helmsman - Nikita Khrushchev. His speech at the XXII Congress of the CPSU was decisive. It was on its results that Mao proclaimed himself a true communist, since he considered Khrushchev a revisionist of Marxist-Leninist and Stalinist theory. Brezhnev, only exacerbated the break in relations, because there was the same "peacock"!
    1. 0
      23 March 2013 08: 27
      Quote: VadimSt

      I don’t know who China “grew” us as a counterbalance, but this is blatant nonsense!
      China raised the USSR - we read the history of our relationship. We quarreled with China, the great helmsman - Nikita Khrushchev.

      +
      In addition, the United States tried to correct the development of China's course from within.
      We look: "Tiananmen (1989)".
  10. fenix57
    0
    23 March 2013 08: 24
    Quote: BigRiver
    Russia, India and Japan.

    But not Japan, the question of the Kuriles will immediately be raised, and there the question will reach South Sakhalin. And the United States cannot intervene here. hi
  11. max-02215
    +3
    23 March 2013 08: 25
    I do not think China and Japan will give up their territorial claims. too tidbits, and in the case of eastern Siberia, also access to the Arctic, it's another matter while our nuclear potential is still strong, it's better to have us as allies. And there is no time to waste, I think there is not much of it, Rearm with modern high-precision weapons, otherwise, after all, they will crush them in mass .....
    1. 0
      23 March 2013 13: 19
      With a competent, wise policy, Japan, under pressure from the United States, can give in to us and recognize the Kuriles as ours ... In the hope of our concessions on blocking China. We, having received the necessary, can bypass possible agreements and play our own game ... Perhaps in a more complicated situation, everyone will be ready to make concessions not only for our participation in something, but simply for our neutrality ... The worse the relationship between The United States and China are all the better for us ... We must help this process ... Although it is also impossible to rush it too much ...
      1. 0
        24 March 2013 09: 03
        Quote: MstislavHrabr
        With a competent, wise policy, Japan, under pressure from the United States, can give in to us and recognize the Kuriles as ours ..

        So they are ours. Or do you doubt it?
  12. Barmen
    0
    23 March 2013 08: 42
    Here again they play off and stir up trouble ... Can they shoot them like crazy ??? wassat Like an option, if not with China, then at least pull up Japan, and fit in for them later .. Yes, figs what will come out, it seems. I live 30 km from China. and nothing. There is no hysteria with neighbors and 2 mass dominance 2 on their part. The wife, as she dangles there a couple of times a year for rags, will continue to go there. half-DV does this. And everything is fine.
    1. +1
      23 March 2013 23: 27
      Well, it's good that the sound voices of the Far East are being heard! I'm already tired of writing the same thing. We live quietly nearby, and provocateurs develop hysteria!
  13. kvodrato
    +3
    23 March 2013 08: 55
    China is our neighbor and strategic friend, and let the Amers rest, period.
    1. Rustiger
      -4
      23 March 2013 20: 07
      Good neighbor -
      1. opkozak
        0
        23 March 2013 21: 35
        Section of panangius carcasses in China
      2. opkozak
        +4
        23 March 2013 21: 37
        Beijing Textiles
  14. +14
    23 March 2013 09: 02
    Mirsky believes Russia's involvement in the blockade of China
    I hope that the management will not fall for this. These unconventional in their traditional manner, they all want others to do

    our joint response
    1. +7
      23 March 2013 16: 01
      The hieroglyph is a complete waste! I respect! laughing
  15. OlegYugan
    +8
    23 March 2013 09: 13
    This article encourages you to take sides with China or America, or you can send them and be on your own. Not taking sides, just a purely pragmatic approach. We ourselves - we are RUSSIA. We will not give up our own and we do not need someone else's. soldier
    1. say
      say
      +1
      23 March 2013 17: 19
      Agree! We need to send them both to x ...
      1. +2
        23 March 2013 20: 55
        It doesn’t work out - then THEY will unite and then Russia definitely has nothing to catch ... only a fool can offer such a thing ...
  16. Krasnoyarsk
    0
    23 March 2013 09: 29
    Sooner or later, China will again begin to rock the boat on our lands, and Russia alone will not be able to cope here.
    1. +4
      23 March 2013 09: 51
      Don't provoke better. You are our restless.
    2. -2
      23 March 2013 09: 57
      He's already rumbling. Every year we give away lands under various agreements signed by our government. And here I am interested in the following - do the President and our respected security council really think that the "Asian dragon" can be appeased with such handouts? China demands more and more. Who is more dangerous to us than the USA or China? Definitely our next door neighbor. The most advantageous position for us is to pit the Americans and the Chinese. This tactic has always been used by Western countries (especially the UK and the US) to fight us, so why shouldn't we? It is necessary to clash the interests of our most dangerous adversaries, wait until they have exhausted their resources to the maximum, and then help both of them "go aside".
      1. +2
        23 March 2013 10: 01
        Quote: ViPirozhnikow

        He's already rumbling. Every year we give away lands under various agreements signed by our government.

        Give an example of what is given away each year. And that looks like a cheap provocation.
        Quote: ViPirozhnikow
        Who is more dangerous to us than the USA or China? Definitely our next door neighbor.

        Although it seems you are really just a provocateur.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          +2
          23 March 2013 10: 22
          Demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005
          1. 0
            23 March 2013 10: 55
            Quote: Krasnoyarets
            Demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005

            So every year or in 2005?
        2. +2
          23 March 2013 19: 13
          Provocateur? If you have a different opinion, then I will listen to him instead of contemplating an unfounded accusation.
    3. wax
      +2
      23 March 2013 12: 58
      It is better to live with neighbors in friendship than in enmity. But, to paraphrase Lenin, the state is only worth something if it can defend itself.
  17. +3
    23 March 2013 09: 39
    The idea of ​​​​blockade of China from the sea has its own inferiority from the very beginning! In that part of Southeast Asia where China is located, it is almost impossible to block the country and not hurt other interests !!
    China is one of the three economic whales...........and how to strangle China without destroying the world economy???
  18. Rustiger
    0
    23 March 2013 09: 52
    Quote: amp
    , we must look for allies and China will be such an ally. He also has problems with the United States and he also needs allies.
    ___________
    How after the war we became enemies with the United States, after Nazi Germany was destroyed.

    Since we remembered the Germans. . .
    They also "befriended" them at the end of the 30s of the last century against the Brazen Americans. Yes, how "strong" that they began to "exchange" military experience. And five years later they held "joint" exercises.
    The same would not have happened with the Kitais. . .
    Just numbers. If every day ONE million friends cross the Russian-Chinese border, then it will take THREE YEARS . . .
    China, at its core, is pursuing a very covert policy. They do not "tear their throats" like amers, but they do everything on the sly, and always in their own interests.
    A very dangerous "partner". . . No.
  19. Nitup
    +2
    23 March 2013 09: 55
    Good article. The military-political leadership of both Russia and China is well aware of who and why is trying to embroil our countries. And, as we see, it only strengthens our interaction.
  20. +7
    23 March 2013 09: 58
    Yesterday at the press conference, I noticed that Puchi was staring for a long, long time with a sly look when Comrade Xi was talking about his success...
    Putin spoke briefly and concisely - he played "Good".
    Xi Jiping spoke pompously, boastfully - he played "Bad".

    But it was clear that the Bad and the Good clearly agreed!

    So it doesn’t shine for the Americans - Way and Xi see the same dreams about a strong union ...
    Let the Americans not grind their skis in vain, in an attempt to sneak up unnoticed, but rather keep a full set of flippers for ship crews ----- Onyxes and Mosquitoes are already on their way to the East!
  21. +5
    23 March 2013 10: 19
    Strange, but the authors said "A", forgot to say "B". The US has its own interests in the world. China has its own interests in the world. And each of the parties wants to use Rus' as a supporter, a donor, a reserve bridgehead, and so on.
    We must not forget that Rus' has no friends in the world, there are temporary "non-enemies".
    We must skillfully and clearly lead our line, weakening the enemies, periodically playing along with any side. But always remember that China and the US and others are licking their lips, looking at the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, the Black Earth, the Arctic and other regions.
    A strong army, a nuclear shield, high-precision weapons, a strong economy, a powerful and proud people are a good help in the battle.
    However!..
    The current government dances to the tune of the United States, China, Europe, anyone. In this situation, the preservation of independence and territory look problematic.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      0
      23 March 2013 16: 14
      Quote: erased
      The US and others are licking their lips at the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, the Chernozem region, the Arctic and other regions.


      A zone of risky farming, a zone with high obstruction, a zone of extremely adverse weather conditions, etc. Why don't minke whales know what conditions are in Alaska? Canada (neighbor) the same minke whales in fact! Something Canadians are not very noticeable at the world level!

      Are there many of your acquaintances who have left for the expanses of Siberia?
      Why so?

      Why is Israel in high positions in agricultural products?
      Is the sun enough?
  22. +1
    23 March 2013 10: 37
    The 21st century will bring many "surprises". Technology advances 1000 times faster than 20 meters. Information spreads instantly around the world and becomes a powerful weapon. Manipulation of public consciousness is more terrible than the ships of a foreign power.
    A public explosion within any of the countries under consideration will bring irreversible consequences to the life of the whole world.
    The main threat to peace within the country. Weapons are becoming a profitable commodity that will require constant upgrades and upgrades.
    The rapid development of transport and technology makes any "hot" conflict unprofitable.
    So far, we are in the lead in this race - we have the most powerful transport PIPELINE, which is becoming longer and more powerful.
    1. +1
      23 March 2013 12: 07
      There is more powerful Internet. And he's not with us!
      1. 0
        23 March 2013 12: 24
        I agree, but I repeat the 21st century will bring many "surprises". Technology advances 1000 times faster than 20 meters away.
        So let's not put our toes down.
  23. -1
    23 March 2013 11: 30
    Before blocking China, you need to mentally remove all Chinese goods from the store shelves, tear out all Chinese boards from your computers ... processors and other husks, and then start fantasizing easily. And secondly, China and Russia will be allies anyway (well, if some kind of bald Horseradish doesn’t appear again), because real power wakes up in this union and they are aware of it both here and there.
  24. +2
    23 March 2013 11: 35
    Yeah, but how many times have we danced to someone else's tune. How many times we were pitted against, and other countries pitted against us: Napoleon, Japan, 1 and 2 world. But to your surprise, you understand that history does not teach, everyone understands that this time we cannot be fooled, but in reality it turns out that we or other countries are again stepping on a rake.
  25. +2
    23 March 2013 11: 52
    Quote: Sirocco
    Survival of the fittest, so gentlemen, let's be strong.

    Or the smartest! This is what information wars are about. But until we become the strongest, we need to "smartly be friends with everyone" who can help (at least influence in the direction we need) in defending our national. interests. Politics is a system of checks and balances. Now we are friends with India (a counterbalance to the PRC), we are friends with the PRC (a counterweight to the United States), we are interacting with the United States so that the Chinese do not have unnecessary temptations, and so on. E.M.Primakov, being Minister of Foreign Affairs, correctly said: we need to keep a low profile for 20 years in order to become the former Union, with which the States reckoned. Let's be smart friends! holding, just in case, a vigorous club behind his back.
  26. not good
    +1
    23 March 2013 11: 54
    If we draw parallels between the events preceding the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905, then there is a lot to dig up a lot in common, while now China, Western countries sang Japan. China, and with the United States, for now, the information war is enough and more active.
    1. amp
      amp
      +2
      23 March 2013 13: 12
      If we are talking about a land war, then yes, but if it is an air or sea war, then it is the United States that should be considered as a potential adversary.
  27. Rustiger
    0
    23 March 2013 12: 21
    Quote: Negoro
    Prokhorov should be put on the Yo-mobile and sent to the Yo-mother.

    Too tolerant!
    It is better to give a yo-chainsaw and cut a yo-plot, or "solemnly" hand over a yo-shovel and send to dig a yo-canal.

    Beat your own (proshka) so that the Vekselbergs are afraid!
  28. amp
    amp
    +1
    23 March 2013 13: 07
    In general, I like how it behaves in the Chinese and American issue of the Russian Federation. Definitely takes no position. Indeed, let the Chinese and Americans bang each other's foreheads, why should we actively participate in this?

    The whole problem is that both the victory of the United States and the victory of China are unprofitable for us.
    It is beneficial for us that they weaken each other as much as possible, while they themselves strengthen as much as possible during this time.
    We now have a unique opportunity to strengthen geopolitically without spending our money and shedding blood for this, but on the contrary, earning. We will be trying to win over to their side as the United States and China. You'll see, soon either Obama or some other big shot from the USA will come running to Moscow. We must seize the moment. For example, demand that they leave Syria alone, but do not promise anything themselves. In general, act as the Americans themselves act.
  29. +2
    23 March 2013 13: 09
    Quote: ViPirozhnikow
    He's already rumbling. Every year we give away lands under various agreements signed by our government. And here I am interested in the following - do the President and our respected security council really think that the "Asian dragon" can be appeased with such handouts? China demands more and more. Who is more dangerous to us than the USA or China? Definitely our next door neighbor. The most advantageous position for us is to pit the Americans and the Chinese. This tactic has always been used by Western countries (especially the UK and the US) to fight us, so why shouldn't we? It is necessary to clash the interests of our most dangerous adversaries, wait until they have exhausted their resources to the maximum, and then help both of them "go aside".


    the most advantageous position is to play off India and China, everyone is playing this card now) plus for you, analysis of norms
  30. stranik72
    0
    23 March 2013 13: 45
    "So it doesn't shine for the Americans - Way and Xi see the same dreams about a strong union ..."
    In 1941, we were pitted against Germany, our sworn friends, the Anglo-Saxons, "helped". So, such an option is also possible with the PRC, today the weakest link in this triangle is Russia, it is closest to the PRC and richer in natural resources Russia is the "shortest" path to hegemony in the world in the 21st century, they dream of it and Anglo-Saxons and Chinese. I think everyone understands this and that's why we do everything right, we try to be "friends" with everyone, and don't forget to build muscles and that's right today, but what will happen tomorrow?
    1. -2
      23 March 2013 14: 34
      Quote: stranik72

      In 1941, we were pitted against Germany, our sworn friends, the Anglo-Saxons, "helped".

      There are no parallels here.
      Adolf was purposefully and methodically led to a specific goal by the USA and England, starting from the 20s.
      They invested in Germany as in a "big project".
      The German economy, without devouring neighboring countries and their economies, resources, was bankrupt.
      China is a sovereign state that has naturally grown into a superpower. Moreover, contrary to the expectations of the main hegemon, the United States.
      Yes, China's economic power will someday be converted into political power. But, it does not follow from this that China will for some reason devour all the surrounding countries and territories. This, IMHO, is a primitive horror story in the style of the Anglo-Saxons. For them - the only understandable course of action.
      1. stranik72
        +2
        23 March 2013 15: 25
        As for the parallels, you know better, but as for the historical fact about "friendship, etc." it is undeniable. As for devouring territories and countries, Russia and some of our former republics are already paying for "friendship" with territories, so "horror stories" or reality, I think within 5 years it will be seen.
        1. -1
          23 March 2013 16: 23
          Quote: stranik72
          "horror stories" or reality, I think within 5 years it will be seen.

          There is still such a thing.
          The more prosperous the society of any state, the more "satisfying", more stable it is, the less the likelihood of armed aggression, the expansion of such a state outward.
          To deploy even a dysfunctional society in one direction by war requires years, or rather, decades of ideological indoctrination. Well, this is not a semi-partisan, sluggish war, like Syria. Where they collected all the rabble from all over the region and forward.
          More. It is not clear where you got the thesis that We, Russia, are the shortest path to China's global hegemony. China's strategic goals have been announced for a long time, and hegemony is not the goal. A harmonious, prosperous society within the framework of "Greater China" is their goal. The dates are also named - approximately 2040.
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        -1
        23 March 2013 17: 15
        Quote: BigRiver
        There are no parallels here.


        Somehow such a trifle as consumption is missed! Minke whales are the biggest consumer of hydrocarbons, right? China also! those. those who have a more developed industry need raw materials! However, if you have produced you need to sell! To whom will you sell if you have destroyed your sales market?
        Why is it necessary to destroy Russia if the Russians are sweeping away all g .... what are they importing to us? And we must have the loot to buy it all.
        China : / At the same time, the population density of China is 139 people per square kilometer. / Just ? They still have a sea of ​​​​uninhabited territories!
        And China has the richest minerals.
        Earthlings are not far from the discovery of alternative sources of hydrocarbons in addition to nuclear energy.
        Gurtom and dad beat! And the Chinese got a record growth in development due to the dense living and mild climate.
        The Chinese would have tried to make a similar breakthrough in the forests and swamps of Siberia.
        They hardly succeeded.
  31. -2
    23 March 2013 14: 21
    The article is no longer relevant - you’ll already quarrel with China, they have bought gas from us for a quarter of a century, and this is only the beginning of a long and mutually beneficial trade. And what about the Americans - they just fence themselves off with all sorts of Jackson-brooms-magnetic-pro, and at the same time they yell about "overloads" - go ahead, let them quarrel with the Chinese themselves bully
  32. -1
    23 March 2013 16: 37
    China, it's (yes!!!) white and fluffy... Simpotyazhka is just...

    Chinese baby...
    1. +2
      23 March 2013 18: 59
      Worse than a sworn enemy can only be a cunning friend...

      Note to fans of "great" China. Very indicative map (clickable, size - 800x550). Take a closer look at her...
  33. say
    say
    0
    23 March 2013 17: 21
    China can pin us down, I point out. And yes, they are gaining power.
  34. +2
    23 March 2013 19: 19
    Quote: Chicot 1
    Worse than a sworn enemy can only be a cunning friend...

    Absolutely right.
  35. +2
    23 March 2013 19: 29
    Quote: ATATA
    Quote: Krasnoyarets
    Demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005

    So every year or in 2005?


    In October 2004, during Vladimir Putin's visit to China, an additional agreement was signed on the Russian-Chinese border, providing for the transfer of the Bolshoy and Tarabarov Islands to China, as well as the division of the Bolshoy Ussuri Island into Russian and Chinese parts. The federal law approving the additional agreement was ratified by both houses of the Russian parliament and signed by the president in 2005.

    On July 21, 2008, the Foreign Ministers of the Russian Federation and China, in the development of the provisions of the agreement, signed the "Additional protocol-description of the line of the Russian-Chinese state border in its eastern part", which determined the line of the border in the area of ​​the Bolshoy, Tarabarov and Bolshoi Ussuriysky islands. The Chinese side got the entire territory of the island of Tarabarov (in the Chinese version - Yinlundao, the island of the Silver Dragon) and half of the Big Ussuri Island (Heixiazidao, the island of the Black Bear). The total area of ​​the territory transferred under the control of Beijing amounted to 174 square meters. km.

    Dear ATATA, you are of course right that it is not "every year", but it is also quite a few and this is not the only example of such agreements with "additional conditions" at the request of China.
  36. +3
    23 March 2013 20: 51
    Guys, this is not the topic, but they say on the TV that Berezovsky died in London!
  37. fenix57
    +2
    24 March 2013 00: 09
    Quote: OlegYugan

    This article encourages you to take sides with China or America, or you can send them and be on your own.

    I support. Taking sides means making a choice. Isn't it more profitable to watch from the side, carefully strengthening your position. hi
  38. Conepatus
    +4
    24 March 2013 02: 11
    Sooner or later, but Russia will have to fight China. China is developing, it needs resources, it needs land. Except for Mongolia, Russia and Kazakhstan, then all other neighbors have a high population density, but they don’t have minerals, or they have but don’t in those volumes. China will not attack Kazakhstan or Mongolia until it deals with Russia. I think it would be easier "suddenly" to bring down on China the percentage of Russia's 30 nuclear arsenal. I understand that it is bloodthirsty and not democratic, but there are no options.
    I have the impression that Russia and China are well aware that they will have to fight, but both countries feel insecure. The one who decides first will win. IMHO.
  39. -5
    24 March 2013 04: 33
    A hot topic ... Russia and China have always been allies, and interestingly, they will be them (well, I hope that the new Kukuruzngik will not appear). And on the subject of blocking China ... no blocking is necessary, just throw a couple of bombs in the region of southern China .. and you won’t even believe it, all of China will fall ... or fall ..., and by the way this is not my opinion, this is an opinion the Chinese themselves. And stop discussing China as an aggressor state, that's why they are building up their potential, well, next to the Japanese in my opinion ..... even the Chukchi would start something. ... China will never attack Russia (read the story), and do you know why? (read the story) .. and this story can be continued indefinitely, What kind of goat came up with the idea that you can kill China with a block, what part of the body did he think ?,

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