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The legacy of the "era of degradation." Deputy Minister of Defense: the scientific and technical reserve of the defense industry is almost exhausted

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The legacy of the "era of degradation." Deputy Minister of Defense: the scientific and technical reserve of the defense industry is almost exhausted

The Defense Ministry is dissatisfied with the quality of the supplied weapons and military equipment, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said at a military-industrial conference in Moscow.


According to him, “although the volume of the supplied equipment is growing, the number of complaints in 2012 year increased by 2011 percent compared to 40 year”.

The Deputy Minister noted that the quality of weapons and equipment is falling, because Manufacturers use outdated technology and often these technologies break, and most enterprises are not well equipped and lack qualified personnel.

In addition, according to Borisov, the scientific and technical reserve of the Russian enterprises of the military-industrial complex is "practically exhausted." In this regard, he urged to begin as soon as possible to modernize the defense enterprises and to supply them with qualified personnel.

In reconstructing the scientific and technical potential, the Russian defense industry, in the opinion of the deputy minister, can benefit from the help of the recently established Advanced Research Foundation (FPI), which claims to be the Russian counterpart of the US agency DARPA (the US Department of Defense, which is responsible for developing new technologies for the armed forces).

In addition, the deputy head of the military department, quoted by Interfax, noted that "it is important not to miss the scientific and technical breakthroughs associated with the creation of hypersonic means, weapons on new physical principles, as well as the use of cyberspace. "

As Borisov said, the military department will begin to sign full life cycle contracts for the supply of serial equipment and weapons this year.

Alexander Vladimirov, president of the College of Military Experts, retired Major General, commented "However," the results of the conference and told what to do with the scientific and technical base:

- The situation in the defense industry complex. Firstly, the Soviet scientific and technical groundwork is actually practically exhausted, and in order for us not to have exhausted the theoretical groundwork, it is necessary to develop the theoretical thought itself, wrest it from the hands of the commercial use of some theoretical innovations, and form a system capable of backlog create, promote and intensively develop in modern conditions. Rogozin’s repeated statements about the creation of a DARPA-type system, which we still do not have, are connected with this. This means we need to look for new personnel, we need to create new systems. Because it is obvious that the old structures and old people (especially performers who came to power during the so-called Serdyukovschina period) cannot do anything but stealing. This is a big and very serious personnel problem. And this, of course, is a problem of political will. Without this, nothing will happen.

On this commission many more interesting things were said. In particular, judging by the reaction of Shoigu, the trend of drawing the armed forces into the market continues - the very environment that can ruin everything. Honestly, we are not ready for war now and will not be able to wage it successfully - so, all other problems should be left for the sake of solving this. Removing additional loads from the army does not mean that repair or power will be provided through outsourcing - it is simply unacceptable that the army is engaged in the market within itself. This is the most important thing, because there is nothing more destructive than market relations for the army. Therefore, I think that it is right that we are now quietly moving away from the system that we have been given the last 10 years under the leadership of Serdyukov. And only now the state and the highest political administration - the president and even the prime minister (which is unlikely, of course) - begin to realize that we cannot go the old way. Whether we like it or not, we will have to deal with this legacy.

Accordingly, now everything needs new support — and the new, as a rule, is a well-forgotten old — including at a new level. And now we need to support Shoigu, Rogozin in their research, in survival for the army, and most importantly in their actions aimed at making Russia once again great and powerful. And it can be so only when it has a great mighty army - it has always been this way, this is our ancestral heritage, our sign.

Vladislav Shurygin, a military specialist and publicist, also spoke about the exhaustion of the scientific and technical groundwork "However,"

- Russia for a very long time, especially Soviet, time in the field of defense industry not only led, but also, as they say, very far pulled ahead in many areas. In this case, funding was redundant, and we could afford to develop a lot of topics. Moreover, many of these themes were laid for the future and were the themes of today - and that was the very foundation for the future armament. As a matter of fact, on this groundwork our defense industry experienced previous 20 years, when practically no research or design was financed, but just what was accumulated by that moment was taken, and some purely practical exploratory work was carried out related to implementation. But this groundwork really ended - this was evident in the last four or five years, when everything was almost exclusively squeezed out of already existing models of equipment.

At the moment we are in front of an absolutely empty basket. We need to conduct new research, development, invest in this money and, as they say, to do this. And the old things - they are simply no longer there, they left in a completely natural way.

Alexander Perendzhiev, Ph.D. in political science, a lieutenant colonel in the reserve, a member of the Association of Military Political Scientists, was more optimistic in a conversation with “However”. He noted that the situation is completely solved:

- I would not argue that everything is so pitiable, as the respected comrade Borisov says. Now we need to talk not about the fact that we do not have this potential, but about the fact that the personnel, which the Ministry of Defense has, are really exhausted. The Ministry of Defense needs to start building a more efficient personnel policy, which means that, first, it is necessary to look at those people who are at the disposal, and second, at those who have been fired. Because a lot of real brains were fired, those who made up the high intellectual potential of the defense industry complex and the Ministry of Defense itself. In the course of the reforms, under the leadership of Serdyukov, the personnel, really did not pay attention to the cadres, the intellectual composition. Everything was done technically. And intellectual people are people in demand, they know their value, and come with some ambition. They were perceived as clever people who are not needed. That is, the system that everyone should be no smarter than the boss, it did not work in favor of the Ministry of Defense.

I believe that the situation is completely solved. Moreover, the Minister of Defense Shoigu himself already spoke about this, namely, about the need to return the highly intellectual personnel directly to the armed forces and to the military-industrial complex. Of course, these people are in demand, and they are not so easy to bring back.

So, the Ministry of Defense should try to return the staff with some special promises and prevent those who are, from leaving, and create conditions for them, and you need to create a system for growing this potential. And the last thing - we must not forget about such a system as crowdsourcing, when the intellectual potential is involved from the side and does this or that work to order. It is necessary to use all modern sourcing systems, and not just outsourcing.
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 23 March 2013 07: 06
    +8
    thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin, 2 freaks, I wondered ... is that all ... now both awards all overseas for saving the world and so on get ... it's a shame of course to dump such a country ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 23 March 2013 09: 26
      +5
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin, 2 freaks, I wondered ... is that all ... now both awards all overseas for saving the world and so on get ... it's a shame of course to dump such a country ...

      And who say thank you for continuing to ruin the system of secondary and secondary vocational education to this day?
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius 23 March 2013 10: 51
      +1
      No words - only emotions. Therefore, I can only answer with the words of the poet Igor Irtenyev:

      We walked by the highest standards,
      Nothing was nothing to us
      Fireworks soared into the sky
      Champagne poured by the stream.

      What time was it, damn it!
      What kind of people were you?
      There were no epics about them,
      But there were jokes.

      Which design has blossomed around
      What kind of operas did they
      What secrets have not been revealed to us,
      What gave us the distance.

      What powerful minds
      Tori way what ideas.
      What now do we have?
      And we have nothing.


      Thanks to the perestroika "reformers". And these are just flowers ...
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 23 March 2013 17: 11
      +3
      According to him, “although the volume of the supplied equipment is growing, the number of complaints in 2012 year increased by 2011 percent compared to 40 year”.
      The Deputy Minister noted that the quality of weapons and equipment is falling, because Manufacturers use outdated technology and often these technologies break, and most enterprises are not well equipped and lack qualified personnel.
      _______________________
      This is true - we are constantly talking about this - that’s why competition with Western companies is also necessary.

      and now what? after the departure of Serdyukov (we are not talking about his affairs with property)

      1-no competitors to our defense industry
      2-why improve the quality of goods if you are a monopolist?
      3-why upgrade production and increase salaries, as they will buy from you anyway, since you are left with one such handsome man
      4-of course, workers for 10 thousand will not do other things for you qualitatively; I screwed them and okay?
      but then the directors and top managers pay salaries for themselves under 500 thousand a month and scream out loud as they care for our army and its combat effectiveness, and even more so competition with Western companies

      I sometimes sympathize with the parent enterprises - the same example is AMZ
      who already openly says that he has 93 monopolists, 3 of them are head scammers
      this is Kamaz with its engines for an armored personnel carrier, the Kovrov plant with defective cannons and the Popov radio plant with the rest and hefty walkie-talkies !!!
      and you won’t get anywhere - and these prices increase every month, the quality is below all criticism

      they are happy to buy in the west or others - but they tied it according to the documentation for arms and legs, and even to change the new light bulb in the BTR-82A to import LED you need permission and technical documentation with 10 signatures of bureaucrats for permission is a year! otherwise military experts will not accept

      so here it is! sad

      that’s why the stream of reclamations doesn’t end and we continue to cut everything well. ”Who’s good? This has little effect on the combat efficiency of the army

      PS- Serdyukov no matter what he tried to change the situation and shook our defense industry gene a bit, but paid for it (as if they were not stealing in other ministries, but it would be worse if they were strictly following the planned course) and here you get it, ish you opened a tidbit on a piece

      just don’t forget, all of this comes from our taxes — for example, I don’t want anyone to get rich at the expense of the state

      Also, do not forget that in the 90s the liberals destroyed science as a class, by the way, they are all in power now, they just changed the sign to ED
      1. bask
        bask 23 March 2013 17: 19
        +1
        Quote: Rustam

        just don’t forget, all this comes from our taxes, for example, I don’t want anyone to get rich at the expense of the state

        And that Rustam. There really is no way out and everything is so CASASTROPHIC, degraded in the military-industrial complex ???????
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 23 March 2013 17: 48
          +3
          Hi there is always a way out! I wrote earlier we will not repeat

          when Serdyuk there were positive moments (this is a fact and only a distant person can not recognize them)

          our industry needs to be moved, not enriched by directors and top managers

          you need to pay attention to simple hard workers, and for 10-20 tons per month they will not try, seeing how their bosses fatten
          1. bask
            bask 23 March 2013 17: 59
            +1
            Quote: Rustam
            to pay attention to simple hard workers, and for 10-20 tons per month they will not try, seeing how their boss is fattening

            Hi Rustam. IT IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE WHOLE ECONOMIC SYSTEM.
            From pre-oligarchic capitalism, to a SOCIALLY oriented ECONOMY ... that every person, boss, worker, knew for what he received. fee. All managers are sitting on CONTRACTS. Their final result is ..... he will get his 500 pieces anyway ..
            SOCIAL SLOGAN IN THE USSR: FOR EVERYONE ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES, EVERYONE FOR LABOR !!!!!!
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 23 March 2013 19: 07
              +1
              Regrettably, with the social slogans of schA it’s bad, it used to work for the country for the idea. No, people need money so that there is an incentive for further work.

              For 22 years, the country has become different and the generation of people has changed
  2. smel
    smel 23 March 2013 07: 24
    +1
    Whether we like it or not, we will have to deal with this legacy.
    It’s necessary to put on the stake the one who gave birth and cherished this heritage to his advantage. Then it will be clear to others that it is necessary to follow the path of improvement, and not collapse
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 March 2013 10: 30
      +5
      Quote: smel
      It’s necessary to put on the stake the one who gave birth and cherished this heritage to his advantage. Then it will be clear to others that it is necessary to follow the path of improvement, and not collapse


      Because it is obvious that the old structures and old people (especially the performers who came to power during the period of the so-called Serdyukovism) they can do nothing but theft. This is a big and very serious personnel problem. And this, of course, is a problem of political will. Without this, there will be nothing.


      Theft and frank unprofessionalism and nonsense, where no one smells of money and nobody moves a finger, I’m silent about ordinary citizens upholding the thresholds of soulless and greedy cabinets, comes to the point that decisions and instructions of senior management are openly sabotaged. Here is a small example. Gerasimov (NGSH) as early as the end of January signed a decree on the testing of new equipment in the buildings of the Moscow Region IGSH. And so just yesterday received the necessary papers and then under the threat of a report to Gerasimov personally. At 15.00, they arrived with all their facilities to the "Ustinovsky" building, and now they are not allowed inside, because they are reviewing the oncoming crew of the Guard of Honor battalion (I wonder who should come on a visit?). so behind bars and admired this action in the cold for an hour. One thing is good that at least with one eye we managed to join and feel pride in our boys, and this is a small example of how new technologies and attitudes towards the defense industry are being introduced.
      1. wax
        wax 23 March 2013 14: 17
        0
        And Stalin was already a minute late.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 23 March 2013 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        (I wonder if someone should come to visit?)

        Yo-mine turns out Xi Ji Lin arrived in Moscow, but it turns out who they met, but in the media it’s not a rumor. The Chinese comrade made his first visit to Russia.

        Xi Jinping began his first foreign tour with a visit to Russia. This suggests that both sides attach great importance to the development of relations, considering them as strategically important
        "- writes the main organ of the Central Committee of the CPC newspaper" People's Daily ".
        link

        Video meetings at the airport of the PKK of Russia are the best !!
        link
  3. Goga
    Goga 23 March 2013 07: 34
    12
    Gypsy, out of economy, decided to wean the horse from a bad habit - eat every day. And the horse was so catchy, almost lost the habit of daily eating, but suddenly she died for some reason .... With our defense industry, it’s about the same thing - for decades to keep the defense industry on a starvation diet, to liquidate the technical education system, from vocational schools to universities and now be surprised at the lack of new developments and skilled workers? Indeed, damned communists, they could not create a reserve of scientific and design developments for 50-60 years ... wassat
    1. smel
      smel 23 March 2013 07: 51
      +5
      eliminate the system of technical education, starting with vocational schools and to universities
      but many economists and lawyers became.
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 23 March 2013 09: 15
        +2
        It’s a paradox, but you won’t find competent economists during the day with fire, you are only half-educated with porridge from economics in your head hi
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 23 March 2013 14: 02
          0
          If there are no competent WORKERS, then economists will be unnecessary. hi
      2. morpex
        morpex 23 March 2013 12: 35
        -1
        Quote: smel
        eliminate the system of technical education, starting with vocational schools and to universities
        but many economists and lawyers became.

        But don’t you think gentlemen are good, that we ourselves are to blame for what is happening, I mean the system of vocational schools? In our society, an opinion has developed that vocational schools are bydnyatnik, mentally underdeveloped go there, etc. Each and every by hook or by crook, he tries to drag his child to a university, anyone, just to get a higher education. Newspapers are full of employment and comes to the point of absurdity. I recently read one thing - a janitor is required for work. It would be desirable with V / O. funny if it wasn’t so sad. A good turner is now like a good surgeon Fucked. You need to change everything. And in vocational schools and in those universities to accept only by state order and by knowledge and not in order to plug holes by ignoramuses for which parents pay and pay, notice not to the state but to grabbers docents, professors, who instead of trying to teach students something stupid they take bribes for tests and sessions. I don’t know how you deal with this in Russia, but in Ukraine it is a bard! Half a million vacancies in high schools and about 300,000 graduates from secondary schools. I can make a mistake in the numbers, but not by much. Invented all sorts of commercial universities. One lawyer s, economists. Who should go to vocational school? More than 800-hundred universities! This is more than in all of Europe! Imagine what a powerful flow of bribes! We can talk about this topic for a long time, but there is only one way out. Until we raise the prestige of technician engineers, simple working turners, locksmiths giving them benefits and a decent salary, we will continue to bend down. We must stop treating vocational schools as a system where you study some idiots. here you need to set the task of the media. Remember the USSR. What films were shot there about people of working professions! And now?
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 23 March 2013 14: 55
          +1
          No, it doesn't seem. I know that for sure. He graduated from vocational school in due time. I did not enter the institute - I went to vocational school. Received a specialty - electrical fitter of the 3rd category. He graduated from vocational school with honors - and it was just a mockery of the word "training". The material was taught at a level so that at least half of the group could understand it, that is, in no way, since everyone who at least understood something and wanted to enter technical schools and institutes. In the vocational school, there were those who had the chance to stand at the machine all their lives, and those who, for whatever reason, flew by this year with admission to the university. There were 2 such people. The rest of the group (at least its class core) tried to turn our lives into hell. I went to classes like hell. either they will knock my teeth out, or I will knock someone on the head. there was such a learning atmosphere. the masters, in general, did not care. the day has passed - and good. and there they survived to the salary. and next year they will give a senior master, and the salary will increase. the main thing is that the idiots do not learn anything.
          this is not very similar to what was shown in the movie. But that was so. Maybe the truth was shown in the movies, but did I get such an ugly GPU N10 in Olenegorsk? I do not know.
          One thing saved: to write the control on fives, it was practically not required to know anything, it was enough not to be a moron and just read the textbook fluently.
          He graduated from vocational school and entered the Leningrad Polytechnic.
          All that he wrote - without any distortion, negativity. It was just cold snow, the water was wet, and the Soviet vocational school was like that. The only thing that it gave was 3 months of production practice, when you dragged armored cables over your career and communicated with workdays, adopted the experience of the older generation in dragging and dropping because they didn’t give anything, God forbid you don’t you’ll burn the engine. Well, after lunch, naturally, stealthily, so that the shop management wouldn’t get caught, a half-liter in the store with the money raised, and it’s free, because the team improves health.
          Oh youth, youth, a great time.
          The question - do we need such vocational schools now - you decide.
          1. morpex
            morpex 23 March 2013 23: 53
            -1
            Quote: homosum20
            this is not very similar to what was shown in the movie. But that was so. Maybe the truth was shown in the movies, but did I get such an ugly GPU N10 in Olenegorsk? I do not know.

            Maybe. After I did not go to the VV MURE named after Popov, I also studied for a year at TU-126 in Leningrad. Those passions that you wrote about we didn’t have. There was a normal atmosphere, a good teaching staff, a friendly group. Although I do not deny what you write Peter. On the contrary, I am grateful to all the masters and teachers from whom I studied. And the profession has gained experience ....
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 23 March 2013 09: 13
      +7
      Once I stopped by on business at my native university, which I graduated in 1980, in a conversation with his head of coursework and diploma, my boss bitterly complained about the destruction of secondary education: - "Despite the fact that the program freed up almost a third of teaching hours after the termination teaching Marxism-Leninism, philosophy and political economy, despite the fact that the first-year curriculum was completely redone in order to somehow pull up the first-year students to the level with which you came from secondary school, nothing happens - the intellectual level of the entrants falls catastrophically from year to year, the degradation is complete ... Intellectually, I understand that those who want at least something in this life go to university ... But I did not think that I would live to see such a destruction of the education system ... " said the professor, Doctor of Chemistry, who became a PhD in Chemistry at 25.
  4. VadimSt
    VadimSt 23 March 2013 07: 59
    0
    Calls, cadres, and injections of funds into large military-industrial complex companies cannot be dispensed with; hundreds, or even thousands of allies, are behind them. How to deal with them?
    It is necessary to pay attention to the fact that sometimes the monsters of the military-industrial complex lose out to small research and production enterprises of private companies. This phenomenon, in particular, is observed in the field of electronics, nanotechnology ............. What has the state given in this direction to the center in Skolkovo so far, what is its return to science and defense?

    Yes, we need an investment in science. At each meeting of the GDP with scientists, the latter, to put it mildly, require injections. Everyone lives by their own concerns, without taking into account the fact that Russia has no time for general science now. As A. Raikin used to say: - "Scientist !!!! Candidate of Sciences! I don't know exactly what he is doing - there is something in his nose." Infusion into science, targeted, and only for specific defense programs.
    1. Pinochet000
      Pinochet000 23 March 2013 08: 15
      0
      I think you still need to invest money in people ... though for this you need to restore the vocational education system, as they wrote above from vocational schools to universities, but this is a long-term prospect, but now you are probably right
      Quote: VadimSt
      An infusion into science, we need targeted, and only for specific defense programs.
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 23 March 2013 08: 55
      +2
      You can't go anywhere without investments in fundamental science, a simple example of this is the creation of lasers and LEDs in our country. If it were a "specific defense program" then we would only catch up with the mattress makers.
      1. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 23 March 2013 09: 13
        0
        Quote: Andrey57

        You can’t get anywhere without injections into fundamental science.

        Certainly.
  5. Pinochet000
    Pinochet000 23 March 2013 08: 03
    +1
    Well, yes, suddenly the hurt ended .... someone wrote about the strategic planning of the great GDP, a generation of effective managers who are confident in their own exceptionalism has grown and the result of their activities is obvious .. IMHO
  6. sasha127
    sasha127 23 March 2013 08: 07
    +2
    For twenty years of perestroika, such a situation ball is completely predictable. Even in the nineties, I thought that the scientific and technical backlog of the accumulated during the Union era would be enough for ten years, well, the breaks for fifteen. Well, that’s enough for twats, yes! This is the ball country of the Soviet Union.
  7. Strashila
    Strashila 23 March 2013 08: 54
    +2
    For our officials, everything that is missing in the West ... does not exist in nature, although they will look at the domestic ... 20 years ... all these years we have been trying to talk about the backwardness and dullness of thinking in the Soviet era ... 20 years of real downtime (by analogy with the last decade, and only by them, the Soviet era) and only now the West is approaching this mark in the development of technology.
  8. Andrey57
    Andrey57 23 March 2013 09: 02
    +7
    about the need to return highly skilled personnel both directly to the armed forces and to the sphere of the military-industrial complex. Of course, these people are in demand, and they are not so easy to bring back.

    Well, yes, well, yes - return frames, och funny! He once spoke with the owner of an electronics company, he lamented that he could not find a good specialist in printed circuit technology for several years, he ordered printed circuit boards in China. When asked how much he is willing to pay such a specialist, his answer was 15,000-18,000 rubles !!! It is strange that he is also surprised at the futility of finding the incompatible - he also needs a good specialist and, at the same time, he still has to be a complete idiot. hi
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 23 March 2013 12: 52
      +1
      You’ll be surprised, namesake, but at the world-famous defense plant for the production of anti-aircraft missile systems, the design engineer of the 1 category, who is engaged in these printed circuit boards with great experience, receives 9000 p. hi

      And young specialists - graduates of the Polytechnic - and even less - about 6000 tr Guys come, which is amazing. But, after having worked and realizing that careers cannot be made, but it is necessary to live, they leave. And the situation is rapidly deteriorating, because the work teams are getting old every year and work efficiency is noticeably reduced. First-hand information.
      1. wax
        wax 23 March 2013 14: 14
        0
        And at this time on television on all channels show how bisexual boys earned their asses and silicone breasts, making locks and estates without any brains. As long as television is in the hands of the intelligentsia that Lenin called the nation, the matter will not budge ..
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 23 March 2013 14: 22
          +1
          Wax, everything is even worse. Young people understand that you won’t make stone chambers from the works of the righteous.
          So the techies go to buy and sell. request People would be happy to work in their specialty, they become professionals in their field, receive a stable salary, but you can’t live in a banal way, even if you work on Saturdays.
          The president promised to come several times, but they did not wait. Yes, and what will it change?
        2. Nayhas
          Nayhas 24 March 2013 01: 06
          +1
          And what is the relationship? In your opinion, if you show patriotic films every day and praise the work of the worker, the number of people who want to work for a penny will increase?
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 23 March 2013 09: 47
    +2
    , and most enterprises are not well equipped and lack qualified staff.

    The availability of qualified personnel will soon become the number 1 problem !!
    In our area there were 2 vocational schools and 1 technical school!
    There was a technical school and two institutes appeared !!!
    For a decent fee, you can get higher education without going to classes !!!
    WHO WILL BUILD MISSILES? SHIPS? SATELLITES?
    1. wax
      wax 23 March 2013 14: 21
      0
      The availability of qualified personnel will soon become the number 1 problem !!

      Unfortunately, this became a problem yesterday.
  10. Garrin
    Garrin 23 March 2013 10: 09
    +2
    Quote: APASUS
    There was a technical school and two institutes appeared !!!

    I will continue. Graduates of universities remained at the level of vocational schools.
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 23 March 2013 12: 15
      0
      Quote: Garrin
      Graduates of universities remained at the level of vocational schools.


      You to them (university graduates) flatter! smile
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 24 March 2013 13: 45
        0
        Quote: zanoza
        You flatter them (university graduates)!

        Then they showed three offspring with an institute education in a box!
        1 Lawyer - does not know how many articles are in the Constitution!
        2 Lawyer - does not know the first article of the Constitution!
        Specialist in foreign economic activity - could not name the reserve currency !!
        PLEASE IN THE TIMES OF THE USSR, AT THE TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE TEACHED BETTER THAN THE PRESENT INSTITUTIONS!
  11. crambol
    crambol 23 March 2013 10: 10
    +1
    old structures and old people (especially performers who came to power during the so-called Serdyukovschiny) can do nothing but theft.


    Period E ----- a, period G ------- a, period C ------- a ..... A terrible frequency, as a result of which we were where we are!
  12. WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 23 March 2013 10: 48
    +1
    "... the scientific and technical groundwork is really practically exhausted, and in order for us not to have exhausted the theoretical groundwork, it is necessary to develop the theoretical idea itself, to tear it out of the hands of the commercial use of some theoretical innovations, and to form a system capable of this reserve create "STOP! Here I would like to add my own "zest" to the words of Alexander Perendzhiev that it is impossible to "exhaust" theoretical thought, according to the principle of children's curiosity in "correctly formulated and presented lessons." In college I have (the subject of "technical mechanics") to consider the "resultant forces" to remember the fable "swan, cancer and pike ..." - is perceived with success! The main thing (during assembly and testing) is the strictest check of every detail, assembly, unit ... And, payment "NOT for quantity, but FOR QUALITY!" - and it will not be according to the fable: "but things are still there"!
  13. Iraclius
    Iraclius 23 March 2013 10: 54
    +1
    Now, honestly, we are not ready for the war and will not be able to wage it successfully - and so, all other problems should be left to solve this.


    I correctly understood the meaning of this quote from the article? belay
  14. radio operator
    radio operator 23 March 2013 11: 14
    +2
    We are actively being drawn into the market, and by force.
    At the end of the year we are given a task (government order) for the next year. And the money allocated for it will be allocated at best in the third (part), and, most likely, in the fourth quarter.
    A legitimate question arises: what to do all year (to conduct R&D, purchase equipment, etc.)? That's right, in the absence of working capital (and we cannot have them, all the profits go to Moscow) we go to the bank. But not to every one where the percentage is lower, but to the one that is indicated to us (in fact, the pocket bank of some Moscow official from the concern).
    Result: part of state order money (20-25%) goes into the pocket of officials.
    Such, brother, business.
    1. seed
      seed 23 March 2013 12: 33
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      Judging by the increasing number of criminal cases of embezzlement in the Moscow Region, I hope these hands soon reach their hands.

      About the allocated money. When we receive an order, then 80% prepayment immediately comes. True contract is closer to summer. Although the composition of the work has been known since last year. We also sit on a loan until we receive money. We choose the bank ourselves where the conditions are better. Recently left Sberbank. The director said - I have a feeling that they do not need clients.
  15. elmi
    elmi 23 March 2013 11: 48
    +6
    The brain drain abroad can be solved simply: raise salaries and create normal conditions. Everyone knows this, but little is done.
  16. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx 23 March 2013 12: 35
    +2
    well then they were silent when all the normal officers and generals shouted about it? So no, they were hired and fired so as not to interfere with trading !!!
  17. AlexMH
    AlexMH 23 March 2013 12: 45
    +2
    The system existing in the country excludes the normal development of the defense industry. The more money invested in the defense industry, the more it is stolen. Here I was faced with how ministerial competitions are held - a disgusting sight. Performers - at best, a third of the order price (the rest is resolved along the way), TK - people who do not understand what they want, wrote virtual money around, someone already stolen or not existing, but going to some kind of statistics (extra budget called), and as a result, the work that no one needs is given up (and, in principle, it was possible not to do it). But we do, we need to feed people with something ... What development can we talk about here? This is not even capitalism, it is its imitation.
  18. stranik72
    stranik72 23 March 2013 13: 35
    +1
    The education system must be changed, starting with the school teacher and students, the moral and economic climate in society, the relationship between people and the authorities, that is, almost everything in Russia needs to be changed (rebuilt), only an integrated approach can lead the country to prosperity, uncontrolled with money alone you don’t help the case with the defense industry.
  19. fenix57
    fenix57 23 March 2013 13: 46
    +2
    Today, the skilled working class is virtually irrevocably disappearing. It should again come back to a clear understanding that the school, above all, is called upon to provide knowledge that will become the basis for the training of skilled workers and defenders of our Motherland. hi
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 23 March 2013 13: 52
      0
      No no no. Here I can disagree a little. It is the working professions that are in demand now, and there is more recruitment in vocational schools in my city than in a university. In addition, at the same military plant, which I wrote about above, process engineers and workers who are involved in the assembly line and in workshops receive 2-3 times (!!!) more than design engineers from the design bureau. "Who knew that brains would cease to be appreciated? Then we would also have studied at vocational school and would not know grief!" - they complain about so sadly in conversation.
      Again, first-hand information.
  20. AlexMH
    AlexMH 23 March 2013 14: 23
    +1
    The situation with workers is as follows: if they are not there, then nothing is done in principle and there is nothing to hand over. Therefore (given the collapse of the vocational school system) workers are in short supply, and they are paid a lot, but cannot find. But the absence of competent engineers is potentially much more dangerous, because then the workers hardly (technologies are lost) plan some ancient crap, because there is no one to develop a new one. It’s just that enterprises think today. The choice "collapse today due to the lack of workers or collapse in 10 years due to the lack of new developments" is decided by them unequivocally in favor of "even a deluge after us."
  21. Garrin
    Garrin 23 March 2013 16: 14
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    So, the Ministry of Defense should try to return the staff with some special promises and prevent those who are, from leaving, and create conditions for them, and you need to create a system for growing this potential. And the last thing - we must not forget about such a system as crowdsourcing, when the intellectual potential is involved from the side and does this or that work to order. It is necessary to use all modern sourcing systems, and not just outsourcing.

    Just a few minutes ago I heard on the radio an excerpt from an interview with Ragozin. In short, the meaning is:
    - Qualified personnel from abroad will be attracted to the defense industry enterprises. With the provision of housing and the prospect of obtaining Russian citizenship.
    - The quality of graduates of Russian technical universities does not meet the requirements of defense industry enterprises. University teachers should not be engaged in commerce but in the training of engineers.
    - The attraction of qualified personnel will be mainly from Ukraine and Belarus, but non-CIS countries are not excluded.
  22. gregor6549
    gregor6549 23 March 2013 16: 17
    +1
    And that the era of degradation is over? After all, there have not been any serious structural changes in the Russian economy. Yes, more money is allocated, including for the defense industry, but so far there is no one to master it with the benefit of business. Therefore, most of them are mastered by very individual "comrades" and mainly for their own personal benefit. They give up and raise a blizzard like "Americans are coming" wherever they can, so that money (in their personal pocket) stands out even more. And all the threatening statements of Rogozin and his comrades go into the sand. And they are unlikely to go in another direction, because the above-mentioned "comrades with pockets" are a caste of untouchables, in the sense of not being judged. Sacred cows like in India. Touch no way
  23. ars_pro
    ars_pro 23 March 2013 16: 20
    0
    There are a lot of questions, asking which it would be better for no one, only eyes will go down to the floor.
    The approach to solving problems needs a group and integrated, with stages. Not immediately Moscow was built. Launching beneficial processes in all available areas, taking into account specifics. Minimizing the consequences of destructive processes.
  24. Simple
    Simple 23 March 2013 20: 40
    0
    Good day to all.
    A bit of positive:
    The German concern Gildemeister AG 3 held a conference in Ulyanovsk on the occasion of the launch of the construction of a plant for the production of turning and milling machines using advanced German technologies.
    This project is unique for the domestic machine tool industry, as it is based on direct investment by a foreign investor. The new plant will produce ECOLINE machines for aerospace and automotive enterprises.
    The active phase of construction of the enterprise will begin this summer on the territory of the Zavolzhye industrial zone (a plot of 20 hectares). The release of the first units of products is expected at the end of 2013. The design capacity is up to 1000 machines per year, the total investment is more than 20 million euros.
    more details- http://www.mashportal.ru/machinery_russia-23660.aspx

    And it all started with Friedrich Gildemeister quite simply - with a sewing machine and bicycles:
    This week I was at one of the DMG / MORI SEIKI factories in Bielefeld: One of the assembly halls houses one of the first "Gildemeister" machines from 1870: a foot-operated sewing machine converted into an elementary lathe.
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 March 2013 06: 37
    +2
    Would you like highly qualified workforce? Expose them more privileged working and living conditions. Previously, the factory also did not pay much. But there was departmental housing, there were kindergartens and pioneer camps with sanatoriums. The social network was developed and the worker had to stay at the factory for what. Plus there was a motivation for growth in the professional plan. He himself worked at the factory, after graduate school. We studied Solidwork, prepared to increase the discharge. But sn in 12 didn’t really motivate tyrov. And after increasing the discharge they promised 15 tyrov. Well, what for it is necessary? Now I sit in a trading company all day at the computer, and get stable + 30 tyrov. And I regret that I’m not working at the factory. But I will not return to the factory, because impoverished pride does not attract. That's the whole secret of attracting personnel to the defense industry. Provide housing, and then ask. And not like now, feeding breakfasts and keeping on a starvation diet.