Tusk: NATO countries want to give themselves the right to control any ships in neutral waters of the Baltic Sea

NATO wants to give itself the right to control (read: inspect and detain) foreign ships in the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea. This statement was made by Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk at the end of the summit of the Baltic region alliance countries.

Today, a meeting of the leaders of Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Denmark and Sweden took place in Helsinki. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte were also invited to the meeting. The main topic of the summit was NATO's response to damage to underwater infrastructure. In other words, NATO is looking for an opportunity to limit Russia's actions in the Baltic, including by gaining the ability to detain Russian ships. At the same time, it was not ruled out that the West would "slightly change" the interpretation of some laws, including maritime law, for this purpose.

Judging by Tusk's statement, everything is heading in this direction, NATO countries of the Baltic region are planning to control all ships in neutral waters of the Baltic. According to him, work on obtaining such an opportunity will begin in the near future.

If something happens in Polish territorial waters, Poland will not hesitate to detain such a ship. But we will work together on such legal possibilities that will allow us to control ships outside territorial waters, and this is the biggest problem now,

— the Polish Prime Minister stated.

Russian military experts, commenting on this “initiative” of the West, speak of a high probability of a serious escalation, since NATO has already deployed warships to the Baltic for patrols.

Comments

[Thrifty]

And a country that chooses between truth and shame will get shame and war! We are still waging war, but...things are getting to point number two...

[Machito]

Quote: Thrifty

And a country that chooses between truth and shame will get shame and war! We are still waging war, but...things are getting to point number two...

NATO ships must be sunk with Ukrainian BEKs.

[Sebenza]

We still have to wait until we reach shame. At least to start by declaring war.

[alexoff]

The problem is that we constantly make the choice between shame and war. Extractions of Azovstal Nazis, regroupings, grain deals, difficult decisions, red lines, etc. In December, they simply sank our ship in the Mediterranean, and what happened? They swallowed it silently.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote from alexoff

The problem is that we constantly make the choice between shame and war. Extractions of Azovstal Nazis, regroupings, grain deals, difficult decisions, red lines, etc. In December, they simply sank our ship in the Mediterranean, and what happened? They swallowed it silently.

It all started with Nord Stream, they kept silent and did not take revenge, now the test case with the sinking of a ship in the Mediterranean Sea has passed, they swallowed again, which means they can continue to press.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

The original reads: "If a country chooses shame over war and shame, it gets both war and shame."
We chose shame long ago, starting with the sinking of our Kursk by the Americans. The war has also arrived and is in full swing.

[Terenin]

Quote: Dimy4

The Kremlin has already brought the country down to the ground by not responding to all the West’s dirty tricks, so it will swallow this too.

It will definitely be the same with all these chairmen of historical and geographical societies of Russia.

[Maxim]

right, until everyone goes to the barricades

[Essex62]

The time has not come yet. But it may be too late. They will wipe us out from the outside and there will be no one even for the barricades.

[carpenter]

There is talk of a high probability of a serious escalation, since NATO has already deployed warships to the Baltic Sea for patrols.

I have already written more than once: “The war in the Baltic has begun,” and it will not end well.

[Orange Bigg]

The Project 677M submarine would be just right there.

[carpenter]

Quote from Orange Bigg

The Project 677M submarine would be just right there.

Are there many of them in the Baltic?

[Terenin]

Quote: carpenter

There is talk of a high probability of a serious escalation, since NATO has already deployed warships to the Baltic Sea for patrols.

I have already written more than once: “The war in the Baltic has begun,” and it will not end well.

Has anyone already suffered losses?

[carpenter]

Quote: Terenin

Has anyone already suffered losses?

If they start arresting tankers with Russian oil, calculate for yourself whether these are losses or not.

[Grits]

Quote: carpenter

I have already written more than once: “The war in the Baltic has begun,” and it will not end well.

Based on the fact that the Baltic Fleet is reduced to just horns and legs in the form of old ships and is in crosshairs, it is already possible to predict how this war in the Baltic will end. Namely, the complete destruction of our fleet. That is why our military-political leadership will once again spit in the face and will meekly fulfill the demands of the West. Unfortunately, we have nothing to counter in the current situation.
You don't even have to tell me about nuclear strikes - our General Staff and political leadership are afraid of them even more than the European countries themselves. They definitely won't happen. Therefore, the situation is obviously a losing one.

[Comrade Beria]

❗️Ukrainian channels report that five Kalibr carriers have entered the Black Sea.

Among them are the frigates Admiral Makarov and Admiral Essen and three Varshavyanka submarines.

The total salvo is up to 28 Kalibr cruise missiles.

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

What's the point? They won't fly where they need to anyway.

[Comrade Beria]

Where do you need to go? If you know, call [phone]. The call is free.

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

Rating - 1,9.
I don't call organizations with such a rating. The rating is worse than that of a clinic.

[Comrade Beria]

I don't know what rating you're looking at.
I'm quite serious. You have information about the enemy's goals and you don't want to help? Do you know what that's called? Treason.

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

Where and that's it. Bankova and then further down the list. What do you know?

[Terenin]

Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36

What's the point? They won't fly where they need to anyway.

On the other side, wherever you shoot, there's always a target. What a feeling that Leopold the Cat resembles a sadomasochist...

[heda]

five Caliber carriers.

The total salvo is up to 28 Kalibr cruise missiles.

This is power!
Arlie Burke smokes nervously on the sidelines.

[Terenin]

Quote: Heda

five Caliber carriers.

The total salvo is up to 28 Kalibr cruise missiles.

This is power!
Arlie Burke smokes nervously on the sidelines.

By the way, as of December 2024, all 74 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers built are in service, with another 19 planned for commissioning.

[Sergey39]

I wonder if there is an Arleigh Burke in the Black Sea? A strange comparison considering the need for ships with a displacement of 9000 tons to be in the Black Sea basin.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Comrade Beria

Ukrainian channels report that five Kalibr carriers have entered the Black Sea.

So what?

[Comrade Beria]

Well, well, well. They went on a cruise.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Comrade Beria

Yes Yes.

What did you want to say?:))))

Quote: Comrade Beria

They went on a cruise.

In your opinion, they went to the Black Sea to disperse NATO in the Baltic? :)))))

[sanya_sergant]

Quote: Comrade Beria

The total salvo is up to 28 Kalibr cruise missiles.

Yeah, right. Powerful.
It would be better if the gentlemen admirals prepared to give an answer to the people after the SVO. How they lost the Black Sea to a country without a navy.

[Essex62]

Are the admirals supposed to be the scapegoats? Did they lose their love?

[Grits]

Quote: Comrade Beria

The total salvo is up to 28 Kalibr cruise missiles.

They will fly again to incomprehensible notorious "clusters of equipment" and "infrastructure objects" that will be repaired in a couple of days. Moreover, more than half of them will be shot down. Ukrainians The air defense works well too.
But the bridges, power plants, and government quarter in Kyiv will remain untouched.

[Kerensky]

But we need to sail under our own flag! And not under the Cook Islands. And not a single sterlet will come close!

[Wayfarer_2]

Where should we go under our flag if we are under sanctions? Where are they waiting for us in the Baltics?

[Kerensky]

Where should we go under our flag if we are under sanctions? Where are they waiting for us in the Baltics?

Why should we shamefully trade from behind a curtain? There is the Russian merchant fleet, which operates not only in the Baltic.
Do you want to evade taxes under the flags of Panama, Liberia and the Cook Islands? And ask the Russian Navy for protection? And you paid for it into the treasury from which that very Navy is financed? Let the Cooks protect you!
Warships have been sailing halfway around the world to "show the flag" for centuries.
Let's send Kuzya to Australia to show off the Mongolian flag?

[Andrey Andreev_2]

They don't allow us to fly our own flag...only a neutral, white one...

[Essex62]

Who doesn't allow it? And send and go further? Will they capture? Well, this is a whiter case. Once, twice and Oreshnik. The choice is not rich, all the same - the whole world will be in pieces.

[alexoff]

Can you tell me what flag Ursa Major sailed under?

[Angel Dymkov]

Under Vlasov?
Scan Britania (2009-2010), Hyundai Britania (2010-2011), Eit Palmina (2011-2017) and Sparta III (2017-2021)

[alexoff]

The Vlasovites abandoned this flag in 2022. It's a surprising situation - usually everything is taken away from us, either the flag or the rainbow. But here it turned out that the Vlasovites' flag was taken away and they had to come up with a new one!
But, as you can see, it doesn't help against enemy attacks. I think if you hang the Soviet flag on ships, it won't stop anyone either.

[Angel Dymkov]

They hang up the used... Vlasov one, and raise the Soviet one in front of the formation.

[alexoff]

Will it protect the ships - the Soviet flag? Do you think the Americans will get scared and run away? Or maybe it gives +1000 armor, +50 speed and +10 morale?

[Essex62]

If we return the idea along with the flag, the response will be appropriate. The USSR did not allow such obscenity to be done to itself. Even when it was in crisis.

[alexoff]

If you think it's about flags, you're deeply mistaken.

[Essex62]

Of course, it's not about flags at all. It's about the power of workers and peasants, the Soviet power that has always given a rebuff to the world bourgeoisie. And for those who helped establish the bourgeoisie in Russia, butting heads with spiritual mentors is naturally not in their interests. Solid red lines and puffing up their cheeks, for the electorate. The enemy is simply sure that there will be no response.

[Mazunga]

Even Olympians haven't been flying our own flag for a long time)))

[Rage66]

NATO wants to give itself the right to control foreign ships in neutral waters

Comments are superfluous ...
The guys have completely gone off the rails...
With our connivance

[tralflot1832]

We also have the right to withdraw our navy to the neutral part of the Baltic Sea, we seem to have one pipe left on the bottom (but I'm not sure if it's ours) and a communication cable between Kaliningrad and the mainland of Russia. Here we go. Let's see who blinks first.

[NKT]

Do we have enough pennants for this in the Baltic?

[tralflot1832]

The presence of three Russian Navy ships there is enough. And only God knows how many of our ships are in the Baltic now because of the chaos in the Mediterranean.

[Sergey39]

Everything is known. Only, it is not clear with the submarines. 1 destroyer. Of the 4 corvettes (one under repair), 2 SKR, MRK and MPK 16 pennants in service. 4 - RK "Molniya" and 2 - base minesweepers "Alexandrite".

[tralflot1832]

Sergey 39. Recently one submarine and one corvette passed through Gibroaltar and went north. "Gorshkov" and "Golovko" are definitely near Tartus?

[Nastia makarova]

one ship is enough, it won't be attacked anyway

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"NATO countries want give yourself the right to control any vessels in the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea" -

— Corsairs...

[Para bellum]

Impunity breeds permissiveness...

[gribanov.c]

And will Russia participate in these control measures? Also a Baltic country

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from gribanow.c

Will Russia participate in these control activities?

It will be. As a controlled

[Sergey39]

If they start going in convoys, they won't stick their noses in.

[Mazunga]

and if we protest to them through the MFA, but if the convoy, for example, is under the Panamanian flag, then they won’t touch it

[PVV66]

Apparently Peter I is needed again to cut a window to Europe. The current one cares more about the "brotherly" people than about his own.

[Terenin]

Quote: PVV66

Apparently Peter I is needed again to cut a window to Europe. The current one cares more about the "brotherly" people than about his own.

That is why he brought the Zatulins, Asanbaevs and other lovers and organizers of “plov festivals” into power throughout Russia.
There is a new thing now: all heads of administrations in the regions are handing out housing certificates to migrants with many children, as if they don’t have their own Russians.

[Yes it's me]

Apparently ours are no longer the same as those who were ours before, but new ours

[Terenin]

Quote: yes it is

Apparently ours are no longer the same as those who were ours before, but new ours

It is clear that it is now more convenient for them to carry out any kind of fraud on migrants, but these same migrant organized crime groups will then ask them for it in a forest ravine...

[NakedMan]

Well, it's not for nothing that they are clearly preparing for war, building bases, roads, bomb shelters, conducting exercises to attack Russia. And are we preparing?
If nuclear weapons are our only defense, then maybe we need more of them, because they don't seem scared.

[Artur homoastricus]

To use nuclear weapons you need balls of iron, and their presence is not evident at the top.

[didra]

To use nuclear weapons, you need brains first and foremost, and their presence is not evident in every comment.

[Angel Dymkov]

The Beirut welder was with iron... But he was like that on his mother's side, and "his father was an Indian elephant."

[cmax]

Quote: Arthur Homoastricus

To use nuclear weapons you need balls of iron, and their presence is not evident at the top.

Old age and decrepitude are visible at the top.

[Andriuha077]

NATO countries to create naval fleet drones to patrol the Baltic Sea, Bloomberg reports.
In a new security mission called Baltic Sentry also frigates and military patrol aircraft will be deployed, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said in Helsinki on Tuesday, January 14, after a meeting with leaders of countries located on the Baltic Sea coast.
About ten ships of the North Atlantic Alliance will be used to protect critical underwater facilities in the Baltic Sea.
Output.
A mirror measure is needed to saturate the waters with drones.

[Karelian]

We are not able to saturate the sky with drones in the air, and the sea is a complete dead end

[Andriuha077]

saturate the sky

Mirror does not necessarily mean quantitatively. There are also such high-tech countries as Iran, Korea, willing to test them, in case our shipyards suddenly cannot produce these boats.

[rocket757]

It was not excluded that, for this purpose, the West would “change a little” the interpretation of some laws, including maritime law.

. Well, yes, they want free navigation in neutral waters only for themselves...
What should we do, what should other countries do, for whom such "rules", their rules, do not fit?

[expert]

What hypocrites they are!
When the Nord Streams were blown up, no one even moved, not even regarding formal actions.
Now it is the turn of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet...

[Angel Dymkov]

The twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet... did not fit into the market.

[nik-mazur]

we will work together on such legal possibilities that will allow control of vessels outside territorial waters, and this is now the biggest problem

And the main problem comes down to the fact that control of ships in neutral waters is a pure casus belli.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

What laws? What right? There is one law - the right of the strong! They need to be hit over the head for such actions! Stop being soft-spoken and waiting for it to resolve itself... That's not how wars are won.

[Angel Dymkov]

The military commissariats agree with this point of view. Even Elya does not object to printing the papers:

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: PVV66

Apparently Peter I is needed again to cut a window to Europe. The current one cares more about the "brotherly" people than about his own.

That is why he brought the Zatulins, Asanbaevs and other lovers and organizers of “plov festivals” into power throughout Russia.
There is a new thing now: all heads of administrations in the regions are handing out housing certificates to migrants with many children, as if they don’t have their own Russians.

It's not possible for our Russians, they need to be forced into mortgage slavery for 30 years so they don't run away...

[g_ae]

Well, who will stop them? It is also inconvenient to bother partners.

[Boycott]

NATO countries want to give themselves the right to control any ships in neutral waters

And why is only the Baltic Sea modest? And this will be a precedent. I remembered the old saying: a gentleman always plays by the rules. If a gentleman cannot win by the rules, he changes them. We laughed...

[Roma 92]

The key phrase here is "they want to give THEMSELVES the right to control"! And unfortunately, they can allow THEMSELVES to do so. How is that possible, I can't understand?

[26_Sergey_26]

It's a pity there are no brave Yemenis in the Baltics.
They have all the dignity in order, they do what they believe in.

[Mazunga]

There are also brave Tajiks)

[nordscout]

Let's not rush to conclusions and assessments regarding NATO's "wants" in the Baltic... I repeat, for those who are especially "overexcited" regarding NATO's plans in the Baltic: "To promise to marry does not mean to marry..." The Baltic is not a region where one can "flex one's muscles" without exposing oneself to danger... All NATO "seekers of naval glory" in the Baltic are within direct reach of our medium-range missile weapons... I don't think that the information about NATO's "wants" has gone unnoticed by the Supreme and General Staff of the RF Armed Forces... We'll see...

[Angel Dymkov]

To promise ... does not mean ...

[SEVERIN]

NATO countries want to give themselves the right to control any ships in the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea

- They want too much for themselves, too much!

[pexotinec]

The anaconda's ring begins to tighten. And there are still no answers.

[Angel Dymkov]

Judging by the stubborn counter-battles for the village of Velikiye Goltsy,
looks more like "Vaseline of the Europeans" than "Anaconda Ring".

[tolmachiev51]

The same old bunch of scoundrels - Baltic dying people and definitely Poles!!! trying to prove their importance.

[krops777]

Today in Helsinki a meeting of the leaders of Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Denmark and Sweden took place.

It's just fucking awesome what formidable players they are on the international stage. How inflated is the self-esteem of these mongrels.

[baltiksi]

We can only reassure ourselves that the government is weak in the knees, it is not our government, but the government of the chosen people. When you vote, look for whom. Although it was said earlier, it is not important how they vote, it is important how they count. Here your United Russia will count...

[Yellow bubble]

In case of illegal inspection of tankers and ships, ram and blow up the tanker to improve the environment.

[Aleksandr58]

And won't the bastards' faces crack? It's surprising how quickly the dates turned into complete freaks, having broken away from our supplies. Do they think they can last long on Russophobia?