German expert: Ukrainian crisis was provoked to seize Russian resources

Retired German Army Colonel Ralf Thiele denies the alleged lack of alternative to the start of an armed conflict in Ukraine. According to Thiele, the main reason why the West created the most favorable conditions for the development of the Ukrainian crisis is the desire to seize Russian resources.

The retired Bundeswehr colonel recalls that it was precisely this intention that prompted US President Ronald Reagan to try to end the Warsaw Pact. At the present time, similar attempts are being made to weaken the Russian system by drawing Moscow into a large-scale armed conflict.

At the same time, to achieve their goal, the US is ready to completely disregard the interests of their allies from the European Union. It is enough to recall Victoria Nuland, who dominated American foreign policy for 12 years and uttered the sacramental phrase that defines the true attitude of the US to Europe: "To hell with the EU." In addition, Nuland also declared her intention to "first take Kyiv, then Moscow."

The German expert complains that neither the European Union as a whole nor Germany has developed its own strategy for action in the context of a situation largely created by the Americans.

Thiele had previously said that the West had gone from being inspired to being disappointed with Zelensky. According to the retired Bundeswehr colonel, Ukraine's Western allies still want to be involved in the conflict, but only to a limited extent.

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[Irek]

It was in vain that they forgot about the last campaign against Russia.

[Murmur 55]

Irek , so for them it’s a “folk” pastime, if you can say so, well, they haven’t lost hope of defeating us.

[Commissar Kitten]

The West started a war against Russia for two reasons: 1) to take over Russian resources 2) to cut off Russian resources from distribution channels and supply their own resources there. It's logical, after all.

[torbas41]

The black soils of Little Russia have not allowed sausage makers (now liver makers) to sleep peacefully for hundreds of years.

[Rage66]

They haven't forgotten... They just think that this time it will be different...
This has happened many times already...
As soon as a generation changes, everything starts all over again.
It's like a street fight.
Until those who crawled away with bloody snot die, everything is quiet...
When there is no one to remind you how you crawled away, they crawl again

[vovochkarzhevsky]

They haven't forgotten... They just think that this time it will be different...

Have you forgotten these words?

..Russia can have as many nuclear suitcases and nuclear buttons as it wants, but since the Russian elite's 500 billion dollars are in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is this your elite or is it ours? I don't see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential...
Zbigniew Brzezinski

And as a bearer of state secrets, Chubais calmly left the country without any obstacles.

[Rage66]

He left against the backdrop of sentimental photographs on the sofa in his grandmother's Khrushchev-era apartment with a carpet on the wall...
Moved to pity
Well, and then it was too late...

[Azzzwer]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

as a bearer of state secrets

Well, who could stop a personal friend?

[dmi.pris1]

And when was that? That last campaign? By the way, Russia suffered a defeat then (World War I). If you are talking about the USSR, then it is not only Russia, but also 14 other republics. With much greater human and industrial potential, a united population, intelligent and principled leadership, and a clear ideology.

[Surgeon_XXX]

Smart? Don't make me laugh, a smart government couldn't let the country down like that, 30 million dead is a good gift to the people from a smart government

[Azzzwer]

Quote: Irek

forgot about the last trip

And when was the last time they went on a campaign against Russia?

[Zaurbek]

Unfortunately, they forget this once every 50-100 years. But it is also bad for us - they do not allow us to develop normally.

[Murmur 55]

What a secret, a secret plan to destroy the Russian Federation as a single state has been lying on the Internet for 20 years, if not more, and it also lists what states should appear and who from the West will oversee them.

[yuriy55]

Finally, the West has shown Russia its true face.
Finally, the Russian leadership has shown the Russian people its priorities.
Finally, the bourgeois population has proven its worthlessness in the life of the country.
All that remains is to draw the right conclusions...

[Magnetar]

Has it ever occurred to you that this is the goal of the IPOC and agents of influence like Meduza and others? To convince Russian society that the military-political leadership of Russia is the main enemy, concerned only with how to steal as much as possible, drag it to a safe place, like Miami, and run away themselves when the going gets tough?
It's an incredibly primitive manipulation, but the ultra-patriots gratefully spread their ears so that more noodles can fit on them.
It seems that no one argues with the thesis that only internal turmoil can destroy Russia. When the crowd, maddened by lies, destroys the established vertical of power, they won't even have to fight - ultra-patriots of all stripes will themselves throw a thousand dead bear cubs at the feet of the West.
Later, of course, they will tear their hair out and start sniffling, but it will be too late.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Magnetar

Has it ever occurred to you that this is the very purpose of the activities of the IPOC?

And tell you how the Ministry of Defense identified embezzlers... Do you know where the funds allocated to Kursk Oblast to strengthen the border went? Do you know why inflation and the dollar exchange rate are growing in the country, and the head of the Central Bank is sitting in his place?
Surely it was the West that approved them for us...

[Magnetar]

They have always stolen, under any political system. Greed and self-interest are ineradicable, just like any other human vice.
In the Union, formally there was no inflation, and the dollar exchange rate was formally 80 kopecks. And thanks in part to this "blissful" picture, the Union ceased to exist.
In 22 Nabiullina actually saved the Russian banking system. Thanks to her, inflation is not 300% now, and the dollar is not worth 500 rubles. But you need a superhero-wizard who solves any problem with the help of supernatural powers and magic.

[Il'nur]

In 22, Nabiullina effectively saved the Russian banking system.

Well, yes, well, yes, she saved, and in 2014 she saved, when the exchange rate of 30 rubles to the dollar became 70 rubles, and 300 billion, supposedly Russian money, she saved, storing them in enemy financial organizations... It is clear for whom she saved, it was not for nothing that they gave the title of "the best head of the Central Bank in the World" in 2015, this was right after the collapse of the ruble in the fall of 2014... Probably secretly and for 2022 they awarded, history will show...

[a.shlidt]

With the pressure that arose in 22, it is truly amazing that the economy did not roll back. And as for the 300 billion... Try to find information on what income these savings came from and how often they were replenished. These obligations were taken back in the nineties.

[Il'nur]

It's amazing how the economy hasn't gone downhill. And as for the 300 billion... Try finding the information.

And she didn't roll down?!
What kind of "paradise world" do you live in, from which it is not clear where the economy has rolled, try to go into stores and look at the prices, compare what was in 2022 and what has become, how much the citizens' income was and how much it has become... The economy did not develop before 2022, we lived according to the precepts of the not unknown "great" reformer Gaidar, through whose efforts and his & Co. in the person of Chubais, Kuriny, Golikov and Nabiullin built a raw materials economy, destroying their production, promoting "reforms" in the style: "Who needs your machines?! If we need them, we'll buy them." As a result, these "reforms" came back to haunt us 29 years later, and we can't sell them, and we can't buy them...
And the Siluanovs and Nabiullinas probably put 300 billion out of their own pockets into Western banks. If not, then enlighten me on the origin, or maybe the oligarchs worked hard (robbed) Russia, earning themselves enough for a comfortable old age...

[a.shlidt]

You try going into stores and looking at the prices.

In the end, these "reforms" came back to haunt them 29 years later.

Do you remember what was in the shops 29 years ago? And your wages were probably paid on time. You can criticize Gaidar as much as you want, and rightfully so, but the fact is that now the conditions are truly "paradisal" compared to 1994.

And the Siluanovs and Nabiullinas probably put 300 billion out of their own pockets into Western banks.

It was mostly money from oil and gas revenues. That was the deal.

[Il'nur]

Do you remember what was in the stores 29 years ago?

Don't pretend that you don't understand what was written, did I compare the 29-year reality, I compared it with 2022, and I went back 29 years, because at that time the current raw materials economy was laid down, with the collapse of production, which led to the fact that we cannot sell raw materials (including oil), if we sell, then at a discount, we cannot buy anything, and if we do, then with a big markup...
The result of the activities of Gaidar & Co. and his followers, headed by the "guarantor": we can't sell, we can't buy, we can't produce...

[Il'nur]

It was mostly money from oil and gas revenues. That was the deal.

Income is good if you can't use it...
You yourself confirm that this was a deal in which our country was given the role of some kind of bandustan, who was forced to sell his wealth for cut paper (beads), and in the end even this cut paper was taken away...
If selling resources is normal for you, then what can I talk to you about...

[Il'nur]

Do you remember what was in the stores 29 years ago?

I remember how Gaidar, Chubais and other privatizers plundered, sold, destroyed the country, privatized, destroyed to please their masters from the West what had been created by the whole country... Having fed people a line that the market would sort everything out, leaving people without work, without means of subsistence, in poverty...

[a.shlidt]

You can rant and rave about corruption and robbery as much as you like. Much of it will even be fair. BUT! I repeat. There is everything on store shelves now. And you have the money to buy it. There was no such abundance under the planned economy. And this abundance has not gone anywhere in 2014 and 2022. And your salary comes to your card every month. I would like to answer you with a quote from Azamat Musagaliev's song. "Are you whining?!"
And about:

those times were the foundations of the current raw materials economy, with the collapse of production,

What exactly are you talking about producing? Cars, tractors, televisions, telephones, microchips, clothing, shoes?

By feeding people a line that the market will sort everything out, leaving people without work, without means of subsistence, in poverty...

Maybe in the pursuit of the past you do not notice, but the market has sorted things out. There is work, there are means of subsistence.
P.S. Open your eyes, wipe your glasses.

[Il'nur]

There is everything on the store shelves now. And you have the money to buy it. There was no such abundance under the planned economy.

There was no abundance under a planned economy, but the reason for this is not the planned economy, it was possible to create abundance under a planned economy, if only the management had used this economy adequately, by studying demand to create supply and taking into account demand to develop production... There was no abundance under a planned economy, but everything was one's own, unlike the supposedly market economy, in which not even nails were one's own... There was everything on the shelves, but none of it was one's own, unlike the times of the USSR, and not everyone had the money to buy this "have everything". And this "have everything" is bought with income from the sale of natural resources, and where would "have everything" come from if there were no oil and gas and other diamonds?
I see that you are an ardent supporter of Gaidars, Kudrins, Chubais and other Golikovs and Nabiullins, who created a modern raw materials economy, the basis of which was: "Who needs your machines?! If we need them, we will buy everything abroad." As a result, we don't have our own, we are not allowed to buy (it's good that there is China, which sells us "there is everything"), and we cannot sell resources, if we can, then at a big discount, and this is a sale of resources for next to nothing, this is what colonial dependent countries do, which were created by your Gaidars and Chubais and other Manturovs...

[a.shlidt]

You are painfully harsh in your judgments about me, declaring that I am someone's supporter. You think one-sidedly.

Under a planned economy there was no abundance, but everything was one's own, unlike the supposedly market economy, in which not even nails were one's own...

Have you ever thought about why this is so? I don't want to explain it to you, but if you're not stupid, you'll draw the right conclusions yourself.
You are not happy with the economy that other people built. And this is just whining. You cannot name even five Soviet enterprises whose products for the population were competitive on the international market. You also cannot imagine how many factories are needed to produce one product, at least a smartphone. And we have neither a technological nor a production base. And we could not make modern machine tools either. And to create this, everyone had to break their backs, like in the 30s of the last century. And are you personally ready for Stalin's five-year plans? I doubt it very much. I am sure that you will also whine. And will you then buy your own, native nails for 40 rubles, if imported ones are sold nearby for 20?
As for the raw materials economy, it has always existed. Under the Tsar, under Stalin, and under Putin. This is a historical failure and the main reason is that we have a small domestic market. In your language, we have a small population that would buy exclusively domestic goods and in large quantities. Like in China, for example.

There is everything on the shelves, but it is not their own, unlike in the USSR, and not everyone has the money to buy this "there is everything"

Only in the USSR were there queues for imports. And for any kind. And now only lazy people don't have money, in my opinion.

[Il'nur]

You won't be able to name even five Soviet enterprises whose products for the population were competitive on the international market.

What was stopping this? Yesterday there was a program about Belarus, and so the Minsk refrigerator was purchased in many Western countries... One example of such can be given many...

how many factories are needed to produce one product, even a smartphone. And we have neither the technological nor the production base

But what's the matter, why didn't they build it, having fabulous income from oil sales in the 2000s? They could have built it if they hadn't put that income into papers with zero income in the West, instead of building factories, investing in production, and developing the country. For some reason, China was able to build without having the same scientific and resource potential as Russia. For some reason, Stalin was able to build factories and plants, having no potential at all, raising Russia's level from the plough to atomic energy and space flight. I won't write how many factories were built under Stalin, and how many factories were closed under Putin, find out for yourself...

And in my opinion, only lazy people don’t have money these days.

If teachers, doctors, scientists are slackers, then who are the workers, and I understand you - they are couriers... I remember in the 90s one said: "Well, thirty million will die out. They did not fit into the market", who fled, let him run away with the stolen - he is probably a "worker", and others like him, who use their position for personal enrichment... I remember another person from the government said: "If you do not have enough money, then go into business." And who will teach children, there is no one to teach with such an attitude...

[a.shlidt]

Yesterday the program was about Belarus, and so the Minsk refrigerator was purchased in many Western countries...

If you are talking about SVD, then this is not an example. Please give me five.

What's the matter? Why?

I explained above what and why. Our products are not competitive. They were either not produced at all, or the cost, quality and practicality are inferior to foreign products. Apart from defense, missiles and raw materials, we had nothing to offer others.

having fabulous income from oil sales in the 2000s, we could have built

That was the deal. Without it, there would not even be gas trade.

For some reason China was able to build it

China also has plenty of resources that they trade. And they turned it into an assembly plant, cheap labor. And then the technology appeared. But China has its own huge domestic market, and they are largely focused on it.

If teachers, doctors, scientists are lazy,

We are talking about the economy, but not about social security for public sector employees.

[Il'nur]

Only in the USSR were there queues for imports

That is why, knowing the demand, they did not build factories and plants to meet this demand, if they could have built these factories...

[Il'nur]

P.S. Open your eyes, wipe your glasses.

Now, open your eyes, get your head out of the sand, and read:
https://topwar.ru/257917-polcarstva-za-konja-buduschaja-sdelka-s-trampom-kak-novyj-tupik-v-svo.html
There is also talk about the economy of Chubais, oligarchs, SVO...

[a.shlidt]

Perhaps you are talking about:

Until Russia abandons oligarchic raw material capitalism, the protection of our national interests will always be in question.

Yes, a raw materials economy, if you want to be independent, is bad. I don’t want to discuss Chubais and oligarchs, because they are not politicians, not builders and creators, but simply thieves. They did not introduce anything, they only plundered. I said that there was not much choice. What could we offer the world market? Was there a base to create something? And there is no need to cite China as an example. They did not pour so much money into us, did not give such technologies and our labor force was not so cheap. At least remember what queues there were in the 80s and 90s for ordinary tiles.

[Il'nur]

Was there a basis to create something?

In the 30s there was no base at all, no technology, and no money was poured in, but they created a base, and they created technologies, as a result the country won the war, became a space, nuclear power. This means we could and can create both a base and technologies even without financial injections. So we could modernize the country, we had a base for this, and the technologies would have been found...

[a.shlidt]

At the dawn of the USSR actively printed money. Check out the information from various sources. And they also invited many foreigners. And copied Western technologies. And most importantly, they accumulated a huge number of people.

And to create this, everyone had to break their backs, like in the 30s of the last century. And are you personally ready for Stalin's five-year plans?

Ready?

As for the raw materials economy, it has always existed. Under the Tsar, under Stalin, and under Putin.

Historically, Russia has little trade in finished products. The reasons have already been described

[Mazunga]

yes, it was comrade major who registered))) forget it bro, they've washed Sakhipzada so much here that sometimes I can see a halo over her head but (only after watching Skabeev and Solovieva)) in reality they gave 300 billion into the hands of the enemy and calmly continue to rule I saw how a man was given three years in a camp for stealing an empty gas cylinder and here it's an honorary diploma, no less

[Il'nur]

here is a certificate of honor, nothing less

I won't be surprised if they give the Hero of Russia title to Sakhibzadze and Siluanov, and award the economic bloc, and they won't forget Manturov...

[Il'nur]

Sakhipzada was so washed that sometimes I can see a halo over her head

Above one stubbornly defends Gaidar&Co and his followers, which also shows a halo...

[a.shlidt]

in fact, 300 billion were given into the hands of the enemy

Have you bought anything foreign-made in the last three years? Do you have a domestic car? Or a domestic phone, by any chance?
You haven't spent a penny on "enemy goods"?

[Mazunga]

I only drive a ZIS, there's a portrait of Stalin hanging in my room, I only eat potatoes from my own garden and sausage that I shove into the Internet with my finger, I leave my computer, the Soviet-Bulgarian version is called "I live purely for fun")

[bug120560]

I have always been amazed at the ability of people like you to "distort" history without knowing it at all. The main reason for the collapse of the Union was the sacrifice of national interests for the sake of the "world communist movement". This is when absolutely insane money was squandered instead of its own economy to support all sorts of sometimes very dubious foreign regimes. And what did Nabiullina save there? And most importantly, how? By placing part of the Russian Federation's gold and foreign currency reserves in US securities? Instead of financing the real sector of its economy? Or by raising the Central Bank rate, making bank loans inaccessible to most producers. Everything can be justified, even outright stupidity, but only if the one for whom this justification is intended is ready to accept it on faith. It seems that there is still a lot of free space in your ears.

[Il'nur]

Convince Russian society that the military-political leadership of Russia is the main enemy, caring only about how to steal as much as possible, drag it to a safe place, like Miami, and run away themselves when the going gets tough?

There is no need for any CIPSO here, the political leadership is doing everything to convince us of this... And this is evident in everything, including how the so-called StrangeWar is being conducted...

[Magnetar]

So you don't want to figure out why the SVO is being carried out in the way it is being carried out. It is enough for you that the course of the SVO does not suit you personally, because you need Kyiv "in two weeks", and nothing else interests you.

[Il'nur]

You need Kyiv "in two weeks" and you are not interested in anything else

Where did I write that I need Kyiv in two weeks?! If you really want to write in defense of the political leadership, who wanted it in "two weeks", then write it, and don't ascribe to me the "merits" of the political leadership, who, planning to take Kyiv "in two weeks", plunged the country into a long-term war, allowed the enemy to attack the Kursk region, allows shelling other regions of the country, and at the same time not inflicting critical blows on the enemy...

[Huarabey]

Absolutely right. Everything is so. But explaining it to the tsipsota who is doing this here is a lost cause.

[Azzzwer]

Quote: Magnetar

here you don't even have to fight

the question is, why didn't they take advantage of the situation in the 90s? The Union was destroyed, but the RF couldn't? Or did the RF gain strength from "Bush's legs"?

[Il'nur]

Convince Russian society that the military-political leadership of Russia is the main enemy, caring only about how to steal more and drag it to a safe place, like, say, Miami

The political leadership, if not the "main enemy", is not a friend of the people either, which allows various privatizers, oligarchs and other officials to live in luxury and allows them to "steal and drag off to a safe place, like, say, Miami"... A striking example is Chubais, who stole and dragged off the stolen goods to a safe place, and there are 100500 such examples... There is a war going on in the country, but there are more billionaires every day, and the people collect donations for the needs of the SVO and sick children and become poor...

When the crowd, driven mad by lies, destroys the established vertical of power itself

There is no need to lie, then it will not destroy, the people are not deaf and not stupid, they can distinguish where the lie is and where the truth is...

[alexbor]

Finally, the West has shown Russia its true face.
Finally, the Russian leadership has shown the Russian people its priorities.

otherwise all partners

[andrey martov]

Is it really possible that in order to take possession of Russian resources in the amount of 300 billion in gold and currency reserves, the rotten West staged a bloody massacre on the outskirts...

[South Ukrainian]

Quote: andrey martov

Is it really possible that in order to take possession of Russian resources in the amount of 300 billion in gold and currency reserves, the rotten West staged a bloody massacre on the outskirts...

You are probably being ironic. But I will still correct you. These 300 billion are a "drop in the ocean" for the Anglo-Saxons, they need control over the territory of Russia, which they expected and still expect to get by unleashing this war.

[didra]

The English have dreamed of dominating Russia ever since they first came here (that's their nature - they love to plunder). It was never a secret, but for some reason, century after century, we somehow forget about it. And then they remind us and we make surprised eyes, like, how is that possible.

[alexbor]

the rotten West has staged a bloodbath on the outskirts

They don't feel sorry for the Slavs, they still call us barbarians

[Medvedev_Dmitry]

Something needs to be done. Urgently. Otherwise, a NATO or Ukrainian soldier will come and take over my gas, oil, forests and fields... He will build himself palaces and send my money to the West.

[ZovSailor]

German expert: Ukrainian crisis was provoked to seize Russian resources

It is necessary to add to the former Bundeswehr colonel that the Anglo-Saxons have been pursuing a policy of expansion and colonialism on all continents throughout the world for more than 5 centuries.
During the Great Patriotic War, the Russian Federation liberated humanity from fascism, and the magnanimous Victor Stalin, at the request of the allies, who were sworn enemies, did not finish off the Nazis completely.
The main goal of the Naglosaxons after the campaign for Russian resources through the Bandera state is Uncle Xi, who is developing his country, having already economically outstripped the former under-Hegemon.
And the teachings of the late G. Kissinger and Z. Brzezinski in no way allow for a threat to the economic power and sovereignty of any state other than one hegemon.

[Dutchman Michel]

weaken the Russian system by drawing Moscow into a large-scale armed conflict

A large-scale conflict already implies the participation of other states, primarily European ones.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"The US is ready to completely disregard the interests of its allies from the European Union" -

— The USA has no allies, only satellites...

[Fedot]

Banderites are in the reservation.

[Angel Dymkov]

remember Victoria Nuland, who dominated for 12 years...

Yes, she was a strong Jewess! She did her student practice,... language practice, on a voyage to a Soviet fishing base. The sailors... respected her.

[RondelR]

Again these fairy tales. Yeah, everyone needs Russia's resources, resources in the permafrost, which are very difficult to extract. Why do this in Africa, where there are many more resources than in Russia, where countries will not be able to put up any resistance... of course they need Russia. Seriously, what kind of fools are these fairy tales about resources aimed at?..

[Azzzwer]

Quote: yuriy55

Surely it was the West that approved them for us...

The State Department is to blame for everything! They even sponsored Spartacus' rebellion with their cookies!

[vvnab]

Open secret! ))
What other motives could there be in the era of imperialism?

[jaroff]

They already own it. All the big mining companies have Anglo-Saxons in them.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

What's the point of a retiree's reasoning?..

[Surgeon_XXX]

All these articles have one goal, to push everything onto the US, they are supposedly far away, Russia won’t get to them, and we (Europe), white and fluffy, have nothing to do with it at all.

[Vovavvs]

Who would have doubted it? The colonel is right. The West liked to live beautifully at the expense of the Russians... But the devil snuck up on them unnoticed. And the hegemon had to choose the weaker one - Europe.