Footage is shown of a group of Ukrainian servicemen surrendering in the Kurakhovo area

Footage has been published online showing a large group of Ukrainian servicemen who surrendered to the advancing Russian army during clashes in the area of ​​the city of Kurakhovo.

In the published footage, one of the prisoners, who identified himself as Vasily Krakhmal, on behalf of the 16-man detachment that surrendered, says that they could not withstand the rapid onslaught of the Russian Armed Forces during the storming of Kurakhovo and decided to surrender in order to save their lives.

Due to the deception of the Ukrainian Armed Forces commanders, the poor provision of Ukrainian servicemen with weapons and provisions, and the futility of further resistance against the trained professional units of the Russian Armed Forces, the enemy military often has only one chance for salvation - to surrender. According to the prisoners, a significant number of them arrived at their positions on January 2, and four days later, on January 6, they decided to surrender, since the command refused to give the order to retreat.

Currently, the Russian Armed Forces are forming another cauldron for Ukrainian Armed Forces units to the west of Kurakhovo. After the liberation of the village of Shevchenko and the further advance of the Russian Armed Forces to the village of Andreyevka, the Russian army's offensive continues to the south, in the direction of the village of Dachnoye, where the remnants of Ukrainian Armed Forces units retreated from the liberated Kurakhovo.

In addition, Russian troops are trying to cut off the H-15 highway, which connects the urban-type settlement of Constantinople with Dachny. The loss of this logistical artery will significantly complicate the already difficult situation of the Ukrainian garrison in this section of the combat contact line.

Comments

[Nexcom]

...and these ones will have to be fed at our expense... are they at least sent to socially useful work, or do they just eat and sleep there in captivity?

[Msi]

or they just eat and sleep there in captivity

There really isn't much information on this issue. But our guys made a pretty good video with the prisoners...

[Nexcom]

Yes, I am not against the video at all. IMHO the soldering needs to be worked off, otherwise seditious thoughts will clearly appear from idleness... Let them be useful, there is no point in lying around.

[Msi]

the soldering needs to be worked off,

Yes, we don't have enough people in our factories. It would be nice to give at least ten for participation in the VSU, if they are not involved in committing crimes. Let them work for food, it would contribute to the development of the economy. And if they are involved, they should "smear their foreheads with green"... How long were the Germans in captivity after the end of the Great Patriotic War, it turns out about 10 years...

[Nexcom]

Well, that's it. It's probably not worth letting them into special production - they might be exchanged back later, but digging and burying, unloading and loading is quite possible, for example coal from wagons - let them work. Why not?

[Fy;]

I imagined how some resident of Odessa, a Russian, was "busified" - this is when they grab him right on the street, threaten him with prison, beat him (not threaten to beat him - but actually beat him) - send him to the training ground, and then to "zero".
And here he is, sabotaging the orders of his commanders to the last - he managed to surrender, where he meets you - offering him ten years just because he was dragged by force into the Ukrainian army.
And how are you, after this, better than the Banderites for the pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine?

[Msi]

And how are you any better than Banderites for pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine after this?

Well, the conditions you listed are most likely isolated. Alas, in Ukraine, many still (even now) support the VSU. Recently, they reported on a social survey in Ukraine and the percentage of support for the VSU is very high - 90 percent... The population is Nazified, no conclusions are made...

[Fy;]

And I'm talking specifically about isolated cases - because some people have an approach in the style of "kill them all, God will take his own."
Well, even if we take the Nazified ones - yes, they hate Russians, but should we judge equally those who volunteered and those who were grabbed on the street?
Here many are already suggesting to kill simply for hatred even those who did nothing - in essence, for "thought crime". For beliefs. And how will we then differ from them?

[Msi]

for "thought crime". For convictions

For Nazi beliefs. Don't worry, there is no death penalty in Russia now. Prison is a threat, of course... Usually such "convictions" do not lead to anything good, but only to long terms. And if you are unlucky, then to death during detention...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from Msi

Unfortunately, in Ukraine, many people still support the Ukrainian Armed Forces (even now). Recently, a social survey was reported on

Your mistake is that you put an equal sign between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Banderovites. Comparatively few people support Banderovites. And they support the Armed Forces of Ukraine because they protect nenka from the "aggressor"
You just can't get it into your head that we are aggressors for them. And this is a normal reaction for totally politically illiterate people.
Understand at last, they have been living in a vacuum for 30 years, in which only furious Ukrainian propaganda reigns. Television is the main source of information. Journalism is all under the government. Few managed to escape - Diana Panchenko. Watch her videos on YouTube, if you are not too lazy.
Now, V. Karasev has started to speak more or less truthfully about the reasons for the SVO. But he is still a goose. Lyusya Arestovich has also started to speak, but with her own patriotic quirk. They dream of doing something so that capitulation looks like a victory. No more, no less.

[Nexcom]

...well, it's probably only in Ukraine that they can screw everything up and then pass it off as a hard-fought victory and... and the conscious-minded will believe it....

zy no, well, you believed about shooting down drones with cans of cucumbers? You believed about the Ghost of Kyyuv? etc.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Nexcom

zy no, well, you believed about shooting down drones with cans of cucumbers? You believed about the Ghost of Kyyuv? etc.

Well, you and I understand - such is the state, such are the tales.
Now I'll try to predict a little like Vanga. It seems to me that when the West stops helping them, simply abandons them, they will hate it, the West and the USA, with a fierce hatred. That's when their eyes will open and they will understand who is their enemy and who is their friend.
They, at least some of the top, are already beginning to understand that not NATO, but only Russia can become a guarantor of security for them. Following the example of Belarus.

[Msi]

You have put an equal sign between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Banderovites.

It's the same thing, what nonsense. You're all trying to defend your...

You just can't get it into your head that we are aggressors for them.

Mutually. All residents of Ukraine are enemies to me...

They have been living in a vacuum for 30 years, in which only furious Ukrainian propaganda reigns

And what should I do? Understand and forgive? So what if they try to kill me and my family, what a trifle their propaganda... For me, a good Ukrainian is a dead Ukrainian...

Diana Panchenko.

I'm not going to listen to any idiot women... Now she'll explain everything to me, how to live and think correctly... You won't win me over with your senseless Ukrainian agitation...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from Msi

It's the same thing, what nonsense. You're all trying to defend your...

Well, if you like it so much..., what can I do?
If you can't add 2+2 in your head, then I can't help you.

Quote from Msi

So what if they're trying to kill me and my family?

Did all Ukrainians try to kill your family, or just individual soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

Quote from Msi

I'm not going to listen to any idiot women...

You casually insulted a person you don't know at all. I won't tell you what it's called, otherwise I'll get another warning.

Quote from Msi

Now she will explain everything to me, how to live and think correctly...

And she teaches no one anything, because a contingent like you is unteachable. She simply explains the essence of what is happening in the Outskirts in an understandable way for the Ukrainian audience. She alone challenged all the Ukrainian propaganda, for which she miraculously escaped the fate of Oles Buzina.

[kristofer]

curious. you stand so handsome on khreshchatik, people come up to you and ask about your support of VSU. and you immediately start to state what you think? or will you say what needs to be said? besides, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, the main thing is that you can write what you need to

[Msi]

and you immediately start to state what you think

Well, that's enough. There was delight and general bacchanalia in Ukraine when our guys left the Kharkiv region. And Zelensky had huge support.
And Ukrainian nationalism on these lands did not emerge yesterday or in 1991, but earlier... And now, when you are scared, when our army and our government can call you to account, you start to dodge... The classic - "and why us?"...

[Nexcom]

We are better than Bandera in that we don't burn civilians in Trade Union Buildings. At least that's better! Isn't it enough???

[Fy;]

If you don’t put someone in jail for their actions and statements, then the advantage is leveled out.

[Sebenza]

War. Filtration. As luck would have it. Nothing to do with those who come with weapons.

[carpenter]

Quote: Fy;

And how are you, after this, better than the Banderites for the pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine?

And how many such pro-Russian citizens are there in 404?

[Fy;]

It's not enough anymore - so what? Abandon them to their fate?

[Sebenza]

Unfortunately, throw it into the furnace of war. I will repeat, with personal regret.

[Fy;]

"Crush them all, God will take his own"?

[Sebenza]

We will all be there, it is impossible to dispute the fact. But how we do not abandon our own, this is not a question for me. I do not abandon my own.

[Fy;]

I don’t have questions for you, but for the authorities - why did they abandon 20 million Russians at the border after the collapse.
How many of them during this time were mobilized and left to die under Russian shells, or killed for their unwillingness to fight - only God knows...

[Sebenza]

Excuse me, 20 million?

[Fy;]

I forgive. Yes, 20 million.
And in order not to be unfounded, I quote Putin’s words:

The collapse of the USSR was a catastrophe, as 25 million Russians found themselves outside their country, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, Interfax reports.


"I've often heard criticism that I regret the collapse of the Soviet Union (...) The most important thing is that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, 25 million Russians found themselves abroad overnight. And this is truly one of the greatest catastrophes of the 20th century," he said in an interview with American director Oliver Stone, which aired on the Showtime television channel on Tuesday night.

Oops - not 20, but 25 million.
I will remember.
But, of course, we are talking about Ukraine as a whole - where there are not 25 or even 20 million Russians, but, as far as I remember, 17% in 2001, or 8 million people. If Putin had simplified the process of obtaining Russian citizenship for Russians, millions of Russians from Ukraine would have moved to Russia long ago.

[Sebenza]

If Putin had simplified the process of obtaining Russian citizenship for Russians, millions of Russians from Ukraine would have moved to Russia long ago.

[carpenter]

Quote: Fy;

It's not enough anymore - so what? Abandon them to their fate?

At the beginning of the SVO there were many refugees from Ukraine, but they mostly wanted to go to Europe, not Russia.
I have two guys working for me from Mariupol. So they fled through Russia, but settled in Tallinn.
Those who wanted to have already been in Russia for a long time.

[Fy;]

Again nonsense - because it was very difficult, long and quite expensive to obtain Russian citizenship before the war. Too much bureaucracy. Paradoxically, sometimes it was easier for Russians to obtain EU citizenship than Russian citizenship. And various Tajiks and Uzbeks - as a rule, obtain it faster than Russians from Ukraine.
So don't give us your lying nonsense about "whoever wanted to, is in Russia" - many wanted to, but many couldn't.

[Sebenza]

Nonsense again. Those who wanted to, left.

[Fy;]

Who wanted AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY - financial, social, physical. And there are plenty of stories of how people who came to Russia - for years could not get not only citizenship - but even a temporary residence permit.

[Sebenza]

Opportunity... What finances are you talking about when there is a war? I don't care about social security and all the privileges, as long as I survive. Physical condition allows - weapons in hand, if not, then at feet. Although if the bar on Khreshchatyk is planned, then to hell with this war.

[Fy;]

I see that you are simply not aware of how difficult, time-consuming and expensive it is to obtain Russian citizenship.

[Sebenza]

Why, I know. I did it for my wife for over a year.

[Fy;]

This is still very fast, and if there are the necessary papers or the person has relatives in the Russian Federation. Often - citizenship for Russians lasts FIVE YEARS.

[Sebenza]

The question is not actually about acquiring citizenship, but about feeling loved. Where, how you want to live, with whom and with whom.

[Fy;]

The issue is that for Russians, obtaining Russian citizenship under a simplified procedure is currently non-existent in principle. And moving to the Russian Federation is simply long, difficult and financially unaffordable for many. Let's take, for example, a simple rural Russian Vanya from Ukraine - what can he buy in the Russian Federation if he sells his mud hut inherited from his grandfather? Nothing. He won't even buy a shed. With what he sells, he will be able to transport some of his things, and upon arrival, he will not be able to buy an apartment or rent housing - the rest of the money will run out very quickly. And without Russian citizenship, they don't hire many people for jobs.

[Sebenza]

There is a great proven option - we sit and wait. But we won't have to wait long. The question - "why did you wait so long?" will be asked.

[Fy;]

When there is no money to move, all those who repeat the mantra "whoever wanted to, moved" make themselves look like dumb idiots. But those willing to make themselves look like idiots are regularly found...

[Sebenza]

Let's stick to our opinion. It's not right to label people you don't know. By the way, I still have an apartment in the center of Rivne. And I promised that I'd return there.

[Fy;]

We will stay. I just personally, in person, know people, refugees from Donbass, who came to Russia before the war, escaping from shelling - they were sent here and there, allowed to live for a while in some closet in Bashkiria - and then thrown out on the street. A guy and his pregnant wife. In the end, they went back to Donbass to give birth, now I have no contact with them...
They probably didn't want to move "badly enough".

[Sebenza]

Fly, War. There is no point in throwing examples. Pain, grief, loss. I sincerely hope that this bacchanalia will also come to an end.

[pyagomail.com]

Quote: Fy;

when they grab you right on the street, threaten you with prison, beat you up (not threaten you with beatings, but actually beat you up) - send you to the training ground, and then to "zero".

I have not heard of a single case where a captured Ukrainian soldier said that he surrendered because he did not want to fight against the brotherly Russian people. Or simply did not want to fight because they could kill him, or "the commanders abandoned him", or "we ran out of ammunition", or "I'm actually a cook (musician, driver). So - no illusions.

[Fy;]

Well, you never know - I've been following the conflict for a long time, and I've seen something like this several times. Now I regret not saving it in my bookmarks, although it's unrealistic to save everything for every occasion.
Besides, you didn't take into account that a Russian person will have to sit among Banderovites, so he doesn't say anything extra, so that his cellmates won't kill him later. And the Russian authorities and command don't care about Russians so much that they can't even tell a Russian from a Banderovite, they are the same as you - if they are in an enemy uniform, then they are an enemy. So they treat both Russians and non-Russians as enemies.

[OlegEKB]

I have not heard of a single case where a Ukrainian soldier who was captured said that he surrendered because he did not want to fight against the brotherly Russian people.

well why
The Russian Armed Forces have a Bohdan Khmelnitsky Battalion or a Maksym Krivonos Detachment, formed from captured Ukrainians
There is a video of them on YouTube, look at their motivation, as a rule they say that they are fighting for Ukraine in alliance with Russia against the current government

[carpenter]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

There is not a single case where a captured Ukrainian soldier said that he surrendered because he did not want to fight against the brotherly Russian people.

This is the answer for all of us, what a brotherly people they are.

[Sebenza]

I heard that he was a cook and a driver. And when I said that I was a musician, they asked me to take G sharp... The music didn't play for long.

[begemot20091]

This "busified" one shot back to the iron, and then, when the ammunition was gone, he raised his paws. And before that he raped, killed, burned houses. There are no "busified" ones there! They are the ones who piss boiling water before the "drive". And when they tell you about payment, about the opportunity to loot... They jump out of their pants with joy. A country of blossoming neo-fascism in the Ukrainian style.

[Fy;]

There are plenty of busified people there - no need to lie here. And it happens that someone shot back and then surrendered and started telling fairy tales - and it happens that someone surrendered himself, which, by the way, is not so easy - because there are many cases when their own people were killed for this. And you, in the best traditions of the fascists, suggest lumping everyone together.

[begemot20091]

Yes, I do. Because I know these people well. They will sell their neighbor for 3 kopecks, and their own mother for 3 rubles. Eternal greed and envy accompany them throughout their lives. I had to live there for many years from the eastern border to the western one. I was not impressed by the people - only the nature and the climate.

[Fy;]

You are simply spreading the negative traits of a part of the people's representatives to the entire people. They have many good people - who are now forced to sit quietly and keep a low profile.

[begemot20091]

I am not spreading anything. I have expressed my opinion. If the people were against it, they would have joined the partisan detachments long ago. I have seen enough of these "good" ones in the north of Siberia. Many were afraid to return home even after rehabilitation = fellow villagers remembered these "good" ones well. And don't use this template - as if I am spreading something about good and bad Ukrainians, transferring it to nationality. This is inappropriate here. The "good" ones left this country long ago 404. The GOOD ones are in the trenches of Donbas. And the "very best" are drinking vodka in the pubs of Kiev. And when they are "busified", they finish their vodka in the DPR, killing civilians. And when a hangover sets in - captivity, everyone suddenly becomes white and fluffy. Watch any video with prisoners. Like monologues from the theater: they twisted them, brought them, shoved a machine gun into their teeth... The commanders are sh-t, and I shot into the air... And when our specialists get into the phones of the "good ones"... They shouldn't shoot them there, they should impale them there. Even on this page there is a video = why didn't they surrender earlier? A whole crowd. There are no officers. They would have stopped shooting, they would have hidden in the basement. No, they stood until the last, until they saw hopelessness. One good thing is the exchange fund. Even if they are all exchanged for one of ours, I will applaud. The life of any of OUR soldiers is worth much more. And as Solovyov said, if the Kievites are razed to the ground, we will rebuild. The main thing is the lives of OUR soldiers and citizens. I have expressed my opinion. I suggest you ask people about this on the streets of Russian cities. I believe that after your first statements... However, let's not make predictions. The flag is in your hands. Solve this dilemma on the streets of Russia.

[Fy;]

Just don't talk nonsense about "partisan detachments" - what the hell are partisans in a modern war - without skills, without experience, without knowledge and abilities, without resources at all and without outside support? Have you read too many books about partisans? Then you should know that most partisan detachments that did not have help from the "mainland" were soon either destroyed or sat quietly until the end of the war and did nothing special. And those who did receive help - themselves did not liberate a single large city.

The "good" ones left this country long ago 404

- Don't talk nonsense. Many people simply didn't have the opportunity to leave Ukraine - both because of the high complexity of obtaining Russian citizenship, and because of the lack of funds for moving and settling in, and for social reasons, such as caring for sick relatives.
And the statements that only “bad people” remain in Ukraine are a typically fascist approach.

[begemot20091]

What are you talking about? I didn't know... I lived there for over 20 years. Why do these people "pound" until their last bullet, looting, burning, killing, raping civilians? Only a few surrender - and all the drivers, cooks... I'm not making this up. They show it on our TV. Why don't you watch? And the President talks about it - is he also deceiving us? Listen, dear sir - if you need to take care of them, take your parents with you and take care of them here. With citizenship? Yes, there are problems. But I remember how my neighbors jumped for joy, although they only heard the Ukrainian language in their villages. But they asked every day, mangling the language - why do we speak Russian. These are simple "Soviet" neighbors, with whom we lived in "our" house for 17 years. Many of them happily took the Ukrainian oath, some refused and later left for the Russian Federation. They did not give up their personal files. And for some reason they all fed Moscow and the Muscovites. I don't give a damn about their opinion. I know for sure that there is no such country as Ukraine - there is a suburb of Russia. I believe that soon it will be torn to pieces and everyone will forget about this country, like a bad dream. And you will see with your own eyes how they change their shoes in the air - they will not even remember their "surzhik". I served in a town - there was not a single Russian school - and this was back in the days of the USSR. But no one wanted to learn the language. And since 1991, they dug up embroidered shirts from chests. Well, if they like it that way, let them - they just shouldn't have climbed into Lugansk, Donetsk, Mariupol. And about the lack of funds when moving - that guy is a lousy one who did not find a way to make money. There were always jobs at the factories (even the remaining ones). Yes, they paid a pittance, but I still earned extra money... And now I have everything: a house, children, grandchildren - all with excellent education and all love Russia. And they remember Ukraine as a bad dream. P.S. Good luck to you. Et qui ambulat dominabitur in via.

[carpenter]

Quote: Fy;

You are simply spreading the negative traits of a part of the people's representatives to the entire people.

But for now, this people is fighting and holding on to every inch of land, and they surrender when the last bullet is fired.
Well, they don't want to live together with Russians and even more so to be Russians. By 1654 they had already ceased to be Russians. I don't argue that there are people who want to live together, but they are few and far between.

[Fy;]

That is, you see who fights to the last, but you don't see who surrenders himself, voluntarily defecting? It seems there is something wrong with your vision. But there have already been quite a few such cases.
"About "by 1654..." - and they were not Russians. Earlier, let me remind you, there were Eastern Slavs in general. And "Russians" was not an ethnonym but a DEMONYM - a name for people by place of residence. And only centuries later it was transformed into an ethnonym. Ukrainians and Belarusians developed from that part of the Eastern Slavs that were under the occupation of other peoples and states - it is not their fault that they became Belarusians and Ukrainians, and not their fault at all. Moreover, earlier - Ukrainians after the reunification, in all the big wars, for the most part, fought on our side.

[carpenter]

Quote: Fy;

It looks like there's something wrong with your eyesight.

I see how units surrender, but not companies, buy glasses with a plus, there you will see hundreds of prisoners.

[Fy;]

The majority do not give up and are anti-Russian - what next? Will you order the pro-Russian minority to be killed for this?

[carpenter]

Quote: Fy;

Are you ordering the pro-Russian minority to be killed for this?

I'm telling you about those who go with weapons in their hands, and you're telling me about the minority. Something about you Ukrainians is that you don't understand where the left is and where the right is.

[begemot20091]

Why don't you raise your voice in defense of the Afghans or the Palestinians? They "crush" without distinction there. And why were you silent when Gorlovka and Donetsk were being wiped off the face of the earth? Those who understood were already leaving this 404th country. Or, as always: "And why us?"

[Sebenza]

There are many good people - who are now forced to sit quietly and keep a low profile. In hiding places?

[Fy;]

Maybe in caches, or maybe just at home - just by refraining from writing articles criticizing the Ukrainian government. Do you even know how many people in Ukraine have been arrested or simply disappeared? Simply killed without trial or investigation?

[begemot20091]

Exactly, in the caches and their own gear. And at night they jump out of ambush and... Loot like Ataman Kudiyar. With what criticism - look at the statistics of sociologists. Torchlight processions... Ah! That's different. These are Russian lovers going and shouting slogans. Enough of this nonsense. There are no slightly pregnant women. There is either a friend or an enemy. There is no other way in war.

[Technician_Harlan]

The Germans were fewer. By 1949, most of the prisoners had been repatriated. The highest-ranking officers and others who had been sentenced to 25 years remained in captivity. But they too were released after negotiations between Adenauer and Khrushchev. The last Germans (including those convicted of war crimes) left captivity on January 20, 1956.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Nexcom

Let them be useful, there's no point in lying around.

Absolutely right. Clearing rubble, ruins. And they'll make good builders, too. Certainly better than the Central Asians. They've done something, now let them work it off. He who doesn't work, doesn't eat.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from Msi

Anything is better than Central Asians

Comrade, not Krasnoyarsk, how are Ukrainians better than Central Asians?

Strange. Why "not Krasnoyarsk"? You don't like my nickname? Well, I didn't choose it to please you.
Ukrainians are better than Central Asians for a simple reason. They know Russian well, their education is much better. Central Asian specialists do not come here because they are in demand at home. The scum come to us. Young, illiterate, impudent. They try to get jobs as drivers, market sellers, in all sorts of shawarma shops and other easy jobs.
Yes, the older ones go to work as road workers. But I have never met any street cleaners among them, they are all our pensioners. Here in our "Clothing" store there are only Central Asian salespeople and their assistants - zamotashki.

[Kovalenko_Ilya]

I wouldn't say that a driver or a shawarma vendor is an easy job. These are very hard jobs. A shop assistant is easier, but still not so good. If the shop is a walk-through, your voice will be hoarse by the evening just from talking to customers. And standing on your feet all day.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Kovalenko_Ilya

I wouldn't say that a driver or a shawarma vendor is an easy job. These are very hard jobs. A salesperson in

This is because you don't know what it's like to work as a turner, or any machine operator, because they're also on their feet the whole shift. You don't know what it's like for miners to work in the coalface. And who knows where else. None of them are eager to go to a construction site. And if they go where they go, then believe me, the work there is easier.

[carpenter]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

that you don’t know what the work of a turner is, or any machine operator, because you also spend the entire shift on your feet.

Well, yes, the "easiest job" is for fishermen, you go for 9 months and every day for 12 hours "on the belt". I feel sorry for turners and drivers, they sleep with their wives every day, it must be very boring.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: carpenter

Well, yes, the "easiest job" is for fishermen, you go for 9 months and every day for 12 hours "on the belt". I feel sorry for turners and drivers, they sleep with their wives every day, it must be very boring.

Did you write this to me thinking that I would argue? You are very wrong. This is really hard and quite dangerous work. It is not for nothing that it is well paid. Although the concept of well paid is so vague today that it is difficult to say where they pay well and where they pay poorly. In fact, workers are poorly paid everywhere compared to ...

[Sebenza]

Let him work at home. I don't mind.

[carpenter]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Ukrainians are better than Central Asians for a simple reason.

Central Asians are bad workers, but they don't steal. Unlike the VNA.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: carpenter

Central Asians are bad workers, but they don’t steal.

Well, of course they are just angels, and the Ukrainians are devils in the flesh and "untermenschen"
I'm so sick of all the Nazis.

[carpenter]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, of course they are just angels, and the Ukrainians are...

Lots of foam, little action. I prefer to take my locals.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: carpenter

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, of course they are just angels, and the Ukrainians are...

Lots of foam, little action. I prefer to take my locals.

And you are doing the right thing. With both hands.

[Sebenza]

At home. Not on our land.

[Sebenza]

Hardworking. Very hardworking, when they understand why.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sebenza

Hardworking. Very hardworking, when they understand why.

This is where the myth about Russian laziness comes from.

[Sebenza]

Myths have a creator. You are given a unique opportunity to create a new one out of nowhere.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sebenza

Myths have a creator. You are given a unique opportunity to create a new one out of nowhere.

Where to me to you.

[Sebenza]

Come on, don't play poor.

[Sebenza]

Please excuse the punctuation, I'm just going through it.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sebenza

Please excuse the punctuation, I'm just going through it.

It's okay. I myself suffer from poor spelling of my native language.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Absolutely right. Clearing rubble and ruins.

They cannot be allowed to clear the rubble, because there may be dozens of firearms and ammunition under the rubble, but they are quite suitable for the areas cleared of rubble, for the construction of new facilities.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

They've done something wrong, now let them work it off.

One hundred percent. Besides, it would be nice to revive the logging colonies, which are almost gone, and the need for lumber production in connection with the restoration of destroyed settlements will only increase. Private sawmills are unlikely to be able to cover the demand, and the price of sawn timber will be raised to the cost of precious metals, and these Ukrobesy could fell and saw the entire necessary assortment for a daily ration, and at the same time build new roads in the taiga.

[Machito]

Speaks Russian fluently. Not a single word in dog language.
We need to dig a tunnel to Sakhalin.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Bearded

Speaks Russian fluently. Not a single word in dog language.

I'll make you happy, you have ideological brothers - the khokhly also call the Russian language a dog language.

[carpenter]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You have ideological brothers - the khokh-ly also call the Russian language a dog language.

There is no need to insult them, let them speak their own language, but in their own place.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: carpenter

There is no need to insult them, let them speak their own language, but in their own place.

And Ukrainian Nazis also forbid speaking Russian. They say - suitcase, train station, Russia and there speak your dog language.
And how are you different from them?
A person has the right to speak his native language everywhere. But in order for you to understand him, he will speak Russian with you.

[Mouse]

There is an opinion, as I.V. Stalin said, about the construction of the Murmansk-Magadan highway, so let them plough. Otherwise, if they had given the order to retreat, they would have fought some more, that's what I think.

[private person]

Yes, I am not against the video at all. IMHO the soldering needs to be worked off, otherwise seditious thoughts will clearly appear from idleness

So that's why they surrender, so that later they can sleep and eat well in captivity, knowing that nothing threatens them and that they will end up at home. And before surrendering, they fiercely resisted and counter-attacked the positions of our RF Armed Forces, but after shooting at the ammunition and "sharpening" the dry rations, they decided to surrender.

[fruc]

.....thus saving their lives.

In the photo I see quite young people, not a single one of pre-retirement age. The war ended quickly for them (?), unless of course they want to return back in an exchange.

[Victor Alien]

Well, we have to feed them anyway. If you refuse to feed the border territories, you will get Maidans and the like. Those who fed the border territories in the USSR were not fools. They just couldn't educate them. By ignoring education (teachers' salaries), we get what we get. Keeping life-sentenced prisoners is also apparently profitable.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Victor Alien

Well, we have to feed them anyway.

What the hell is this for? They have to earn their ration of pearl barley.
Who does not work shall not eat.

[Victor Alien]

You forget that their upkeep is also expensive. Or is security worthless?! And don't we need to feed the soldiers to guard these?! Where will the prisoners get food?! No matter how you look at it, we feed everyone. But forcing them to demining is another matter. Although it's all nonsense. From empty to empty, who owes what to whom. The same devil is no one's fault and everyone is guilty in one moment.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Victor Alien

You forget that their upkeep is also expensive. Or is security worthless?! And there is no need to feed the soldiers to guard these?!

The question is: how much will a hired worker earn doing this work?
Probably as much as is needed to support his family, pay for utilities and other expenses. It is from these "salaries" that food for the prisoners and the salaries of their guards will be bought. Even though the guards are paid for by the Ministry of Defense. So, using prisoners for various jobs is economically advantageous.

[Sergey Egorov_3]

In the LPR and DPR they work, those who are taken to the Russian Federation, they sleep and eat, in the Russian Federation 70-80 percent of the total number of prisoners, somewhere around 20-23 thousand people

[Mazunga]

They eat and sleep) No one would send such a contingent to the industrial area and they have not been convicted by the court

[Thrifty]

They are captured, they tell such tales that it brings tears to your eyes, poor guys, they didn't want to fight, they were all driven into war under duress! Only the question arises - who then fights so professionally, burns our equipment, stubbornly holds the defense, if the entire army is made up of two-armed left-handers, torn away from their families - "civilians"???

[Nexcom]

It's all geese, Berezhilly. And if you listen to the prisoners, the entire Ukrainian Armed Forces have long consisted only of cooks, military musicians, signalmen and doctors. That's all.
And who is fighting? Who the hell knows... It turns out that only geese are really fighting, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been playing music for them for a long time, covering scratches with iodine and all that...

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Thrifty

They are captured, they tell such tales that it brings tears to your eyes, poor guys, they didn't want to fight, they were all driven into war under duress! Only the question arises - who then fights so professionally, burns our equipment, stubbornly holds the defense, if the entire army is made up of two-armed left-handers, torn away from their families - "civilians"???

Who is fighting? A detailed answer can be found at the link. These conscripts caught on the street are usually not even trained, but are immediately used as expendable material. They are not even trained. They relatively take care of the trained troops.

. About the corps structure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Using materials from colleagues, the Z Committee and the ZVI Search Engine summarized all available information about the new corps system of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, about the reforms of which they wrote in MilitaryMaps.

The point is this: in addition to various reforms such as tax cuts for military-industrial complex enterprises and recruitment through recruitment, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have finally reached the finalized corps system.

https://t.me/inners_of_the_politics/257

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thrifty

They get captured, they tell such tales that it brings tears to your eyes, poor guys, they didn’t want to fight, everything is totally from under

Well, God forbid, you were captured, what would you say? You would also tell fairy tales. And you would do the right thing.
And they are stubborn warriors. How many times have I written here - we are not fighting with Papuans. They are of our blood, that is why they fight to the last. And glory to our fighters that they defeat such an enemy.

[Mazunga]

this is their manual))) when captured, they play the fool but it's been three years already so it looks like a performance... unconvincing and they stand there watching like wolves give them ammo and machine guns they would immediately turn the operators into sieves

[Montezuma]

On the topic of surrender, but not VSU-ers. The English "Daily Mail" has revealed the secret of the absence of captured North Koreans. Well, a dishonest British newspaper can't lie so brazenly. And that's what it turns out to be, and who would have thought?

North Korean troops sent to help Russia are being used as "human mine detectors" on the front lines of the invasion of Ukraine, a military official says.

Thousands of North Korean soldiers have been sent to fight alongside Vladimir Putin's besieged forces in Ukraine.

But Lieutenant Colonel "Leopard" of the 33rd Separate Assault Battalion "Big Cats" of Ukraine showed that their lives mean little to their superiors.

He told the Times: "The North Koreans have a 'meat grinder' strategy. Where the Ukrainians use machines to clear mines, they use people."

"They just walk in single file, three or four meters apart. If someone is thrown back by an explosion, the medics go after them to collect the dead, and the crowd continues to walk in single file. That's how they get through minefields."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14268921/The-meat-grinder-strategy-North-Korean-troops-sent-boost-Russian-forces-used-human-detectors-Ukrainian-fields.html

[Nexcom]

Well...
Damn, what have they come up with...
At first they were blabbering that the Koreans were being dragged to the rear so as not to be caught, but now it turns out they are being sent to clear mines.
What next? Korean kamikazes mined like the Japanese did in WWII? And that's why the bodies of Koreans can't be found???

[rocket757]

And yet, prisoners will have to be involved in socially useful work.
Investigate, if possible, punish the criminals, and the rest get to work.
There will be benefits, already now and even more so later.

[Nexcom]

Let them at least lay asphalt, or at least send it to a landfill to sort the garbage for recycling. At least there will be some benefit. There are quarries and stone pits after all.

[rocket757]

We have enough work for everyone, there is a shortage of specialists and workers everywhere!
Also, occupational therapy is a strong, proven cure for all kinds of nonsense!!!

[Revolver]

Quote: rocket757

Occupational therapy, a strong, proven cure for all kinds of nonsense!!!

How is that, forced labor? It's inhumane, politically incorrect, and WE ARE NOT LIKE THAT!!!
/end sarcasm

[rocket757]

Of course, you're kidding.
Otherwise, one might suspect that you do not understand the difference between CREATIVE LABOR and forced labor!
WE ARE NOT LIKE THAT... where did this come from, why did you bring it up? This is definitely not it...

[km-21]

Prisoners should be treated differently. If someone surrendered without using up their ammunition, that's one situation. If he shot back until his last bullet and then raised his hands to save his life, that's a completely different situation. And if you caught a foreign mercenary, it's better not to take him at all.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: km-21

Prisoners should be treated differently. If someone surrendered without using up their ammunition, that's one situation. If he shot back until his last bullet and then raised his hands to save his life, that's a completely different situation. And if a foreigner was caught

Well, I suppose our fighter will deal with this better. And I would like our fighters to be given a bonus for taking someone prisoner.

Quote: km-21

And if you come across a foreign mercenary, then it’s better not to take him at all.

And with these geese, without talking at all - finish on the spot. Let him at least raise not only his hands, but also his legs.

[Revolver]

And what is characteristic is that they are all, as if hand-picked, orderlies and cooks, well, at the very least ambulance drivers, and have never held a machine gun in their hands in their lives. And they didn’t want to go to the front at all, they were forcibly busified. And if you strip them naked, then every other one will have Nazi tattoos.

[Nexcom]

...yeah, and he either lost or threw away the ammunition before surrendering.
so as not to provoke the Muscovites... uh, Russians. yeah.

[Sergey Prutkov55]

"International relations and security expert Christian Melling said that if a "Peace Agreement" is concluded between the Ukrainian and Russian sides, NATO could send hundreds of thousands of its troops to Ukraine. The bloc's leadership will justify this step by the need to ensure security in the Donetsk region." Focus reports. How will the goals of the NDC be achieved?

[Huarabey]

And how do the goals of the SVO intersect with the fantasies of Western "experts"?

[Old_geologist]

Quote: rocket757

There will be benefits, already now and even more so later.

Physical labor under the right leadership also clears the head well. Let them clear away the rubble, look into the eyes of the people, the civilians they were shooting at. And so many shots were shown, as soon as they were exchanged, they threw the rations into the ditch and again shouted "lard to Ukraine". And these rations were taken from the same Russian people, with our money. And this bastard threw them into the ditch. And here they say innocent... Well, ten innocent people out of a thousand will get there, they will work for the good of the people, and then you see, there will be amnesty, if they behave well.

[garik77]

Quote from Msi

And how are you any better than Banderites for pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine after this?

Well, the conditions you listed are most likely isolated. Alas, in Ukraine, many still (even now) support the VSU. Recently, they reported on a social survey in Ukraine and the percentage of support for the VSU is very high - 90 percent... The population is Nazified, no conclusions are made...

"Poll" in Ukraine? Do you really believe it?
Try to say that you are against the war and you will immediately find yourself in the clutches of the Ukrainian Gestapo, and from there there are two paths. Either to prison for a long time, or immediately sent to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Or maybe even killed.

[75 Sergey]

So what, now we will treat them, feed them and exchange them, and they will go back to war, unlike ours, who are crippled by the Khkhly in captivity, both physically and morally.

[Scientist_]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Finally understand that they have been living in a vacuum for 30 years, in which only furious Ukrainian propaganda reigns.

They do not live in a vacuum. Millions of Ukrainians have been here and in the West. Almost everyone can compare either from personal experience or from the words of friends. And they chose the West. Quite consciously. Those who really did not want to support the regime and end up on the eastern front, left abroad long ago.

[SEVERIN]

Footage is shown of a group of Ukrainian servicemen surrendering in the Kurakhovo area

- take everyone through the FSB purgatory!!!

[pyagomail.com]

Quote: Fy;

If in uniform, then he is an enemy.

If he's in uniform and has a weapon, that means he's an enemy! Waiting for him to shoot or not is the height of stupidity.

[rus-5819]

Everything is great, of course, and the prisoners surrender and understand everything. But here's the question: we feed them, we support them, but how loyal will they remain to Russia after the conflict? Just forty years after the Great Patriotic War, I met Ukrainian individuals who wanted to get a swastika tattooed on themselves, and these were "Komsomol members" from the city of Voroshilovgrad.