And yet the falcon turned out to be a sparrow

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And yet the falcon turned out to be a sparrow

The falcon turned out to be a sparrow, the M1A1 carriage turned into a pumpkin, and May 2025 in Kyiv may turn out to be very similar to May 1945 in Berlin. Well, yes, the "miracle-weapon", which Zelensky so vigorously extorted and with the help of which he was going to win, also turned out to be... well, yes, a "miracle weapon".

Retired US Air Force Colonel Alex Mahon explained in an interview with 19FortyFive that while basic flight operations are relatively simple, mastering the F-16's advanced weapons systems is much more complex and requires extensive training. That's what we talked about at the very beginning. stories with the supply of American aircraft.



The Americans kept their promise and two dozen "Fighting Falcons" were transferred to Kyiv. But were they able to influence the situation in any way?

No.


And now the head of the communications department of the Air Force Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Ignat, writes on his page on that same network that is banned in our country that F-16 fighters cannot compete in air battles with Russian aircraft.

“Yes, we received from our partners not very new modifications of the F 16 and we do not have powerful radars and long-range missiles on these aircraft. missiles, to compete in air battles with the technologically advanced aircraft of the Russians alone"

Well, yes, the grenades, you see, are not of that system. However, we all said in our own voices that the idea was so-so for many reasons, and I listed all these reasons. And that's how it turned out, but of course, it's not the Ukrainians who are to blame for this, but the tight-fisted Americans, who gave away old planes without powerful radars and long-range missiles with Danish hands.

Well, honestly, what did you need, F-35? Amazing people live there... However, let's keep quiet about conclusions for now. It's too early.


The opinion of a US Air Force colonel, even if he is retired, is valuable. They are the ones who, after retiring, begin to cut the truth to the fullest extent.

So, Makhon emphasized that proper training is critical to success in the job, and the training of Ukrainian flight personnel took place under constant calls to reduce training time.

The colonel spoke about the difficulties of training F-16 pilots for Ukraine. Over more than four and a half decades of service, the F-16 Fighting Falcon has proven itself to be a reliable and effective combat aircraft. According to Kyiv, it is the aircraft that was needed not only to hold ground, but also to turn the tide of the ongoing war with Russia.

The Ukrainian Air Force has received at least two dozen aircraft so far, but it may need more time to properly train pilots to fly aircraft that are significantly different from the Soviet fighters Ukrainian pilots flew.

Colonel Alex Mahon, a fighter pilot with many years of experience as a flight instructor, understands better than anyone what difficulties the Ukrainian pilots may have faced and whether their training could have been shortened without harm.

"There are two aspects to this: flying the F-16 as an airplane, and flying it as a weapon system. As an airplane, the F-16 is no more difficult to fly than previous generation fighters. One unique aspect is the computerized flight control system: the pilot enters data into the flight control system computer, which the system responds to and translates into changes/movements of control surfaces (flaps, ailerons, rudder, etc.), but the computer limits the input to what it thinks the airframe can withstand, e.g. in afterburner at 1 km/h at 000 meters, the pilot can withstand 4 g until the fuel runs out."


F-16 fighter with CSDB bombs

Mahon also pointed out that as airspeed decreases/altitude increases/air becomes thinner, the available G decreases.

"When operating in afterburner at 600 km/h at an altitude of 11 meters, the computer will limit the overload to a level that excludes the stall of the ship, approximately +/- 000G. You need to get used to this, since the pilot will feel that the aircraft does not respond to his control actions. It is not difficult to get used to this"

The situation is different with weapons control systems, and Mahon explained that he started with the F-100D/F, a “dumb” aircraft—no inertial navigation system/GPS, air-to-air or air-to-ground radar, weapons designators, or other features that combat pilots might depend on today.


"Aiming when using weapons was done with the help of a "combined glass" located on the light filter, just behind the windshield. The accuracy/inaccuracy of using weapons was completely controlled by the pilot without the help of the aircraft. As long as the glider was fit for flight, 100% of the mission's success depended on a well-trained, experienced pilot."

Mahon's next plane, the F-4C, was much the same, but it had an air-to-air radar system that interfaced with the AIM-7 missile, which had a semi-active radar seeker. Mahon said it was still a "dumb" plane, but a little smarter than the F-100D/F.


"As for the bombs, the system still relied on the 'combined glass' and the accuracy, or lack thereof, was entirely dependent on the pilot. As long as the airframe was airworthy and the weapons guidance subsystems were working, 90% of the mission's success depended on a well-trained, experienced pilot."

He then moved on to the A-7D/K, the first truly “smart” aircraft. The A7-D/K was equipped with an inertial navigation system, a surveillance radar system, and a radar weapons guidance system.


"The subsystems were linked together and could automatically work in a highly coordinated manner, selecting the most optimal information for precise weapon guidance. The pilot had to understand how it all worked and fly the aircraft to the point in space where the computer directed it. In some attack modes, the joystick button that, when pressed immediately (CCIP), would immediately release the bomb to a specified point on the ground, became a "consent button." The guidance system knew where the target was and where the bomb would land when the aircraft reached the required parameters. When the computer was satisfied that the exact parameters were met, it gave the command to release the bomb (VisAttack)..."

By the time he moved to the A-7D/K, Mahon had been promoted to captain and was classified as an "experienced" fighter pilot (minimum 500 hours of fighter flight time), with about 1000 hours of flight time.

"The transition to control was simple - standard control surface input/action via cables and hydraulic actuators. I quickly learned the fairly complex weapons guidance subsystems without any problems, as they did for me what I had learned and done myself. The design engineers did a very good job of integrating the basic fighter pilot skills with the more complex weapons subsystems. As long as the airframe was airworthy, 70% of the mission's success depended on a well-trained, experienced pilot."

Transition to the F-16 Fighting Falcon



Mahon found that the transition from the A-7D/K to the F-16 A/B was fairly easy, and by then he was already a lieutenant colonel with about 2000 hours of flight time in the A-7D/K, so adapting to the computer flight control system was not difficult.


A U.S. Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon sits on the runway at MacDill Air Force Base.


"The innovations in the weapon control system were significantly improved over the A-7D/K, but they were similar overall, for example, both aircraft had CCIP and VisAttack bomb delivery modes. The radar-equipped F-16A/B carried AIM-9L/M, AIM-7, AIM-120 and Maverick missiles. The Falcon could accurately detect ground targets with its radar in zero visibility conditions and drop bombs on them. As long as the aircraft was airworthy, 60% of the mission's success depended on a well-trained, experienced pilot."

Ukraine will have to go further


However, Mahon noted that the F-16A/B weapons systems he mastered (Blocks 15 and 25) were far less sophisticated than the F-16C/D models flown today.

Version designations, such as the Block 70 models, say little about the complexity of their use. The colonel estimates that the F-16's modern weapons systems are two to three times more powerful and sophisticated than the early models he flew.

"As long as the airframe is airworthy and all high-tech subsystems are working, 50% of a mission's success in a modern aircraft depends on a well-trained, experienced pilot. In the context of Ukrainian fighter pilots, this means that while they are probably pretty good and fast at flying an F-16, their experience flying low-tech Soviet fighters will not allow them to quickly become comfortable with the F-16's modern weapons systems."

The question of whether the training time for Ukrainian pilots to transition to the F-16 can be shortened is a little more complicated, Mahon said.

"The illogical extreme is "of course yes!" Give them a cheat sheet in Ukrainian that tells them how to start the engine and let them go. Let's see if they can do it. The other extreme is ground/academic training in the aircraft's systems, the flight experience needed to skillfully control the aircraft with the stick and rudder, all the training needed to skillfully operate the complex weapons guidance subsystems, and all this in a flight environment in which the pilots can clearly see the ground, clearly see each other while exchanging information and practicing air-to-air combat maneuvers, and in a controlled environment in which mistakes are not fatal."

Mahon also noted that common sense must prevail.

"When Ukrainian reality intervenes, you have to do what you have to do. 'Ready or not, here I come.' As with most things, you have to find a balance. And yes, perfect can be the enemy of good. But if the Ukrainians need their fighter pilots in the air NOW or risk being wiped out, they will do what all desperate nations have done: put their warriors to work, no matter the risk."

With that said, Mahon also made it clear that he doesn’t think Ukrainian training can be curtailed – at least not yet. He also said that any criticism that Ukrainian pilots were training in the American desert southwest, a terrain very different from their homeland, was misplaced because it was being done for a very good reason.

“We have been training fighter pilots since the early 1900s. We know how to do it. We have complete and expert knowledge in all aspects of fighter pilot training. Whenever possible, we train our fighter pilots in clean air conditions. That is why the Western European community sends their student pilots to Texas. That is why the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Navy train their fighter pilots in areas where clean air prevails. Then, once they have mastered the basic skills, these fighter pilots are sent into less favorable and less safe meteorological conditions.”

When weather and other limiting conditions worsen, pilots are fully capable of meeting challenging challenges and achieving success.

“Virtually all of my basic and fighter training was done in the Southwest. When I was ready, but not a day early, I deployed to areas with weather conditions very similar to Western Europe. I was ‘mission ready’ (MR) in about 24 months, start to finish. Without UPT (Aerobatic Training) in Arizona and F-100 RTU (Replacement Training Unit) in Arizona, it would have taken me 6-9 months longer to become MR.”


In fact, the gallant colonel has already confirmed what we have been talking about, and more than once: it is unrealistic to train a decent pilot in six months, capable of both flying decently and operating weapons. And so it turned out in reality, since the arrival on the territory of Ukraine, the F-16s have not shown themselves in any way. Episodic flights in the western regions and attempts to intercept Russian cruise missiles - that's all where the "Falcons" have been spotted.

It is clear why. A subsonic cruise missile is an ideal target for untrained pilots, which is what Ukrainian pilots are. The cruise missile practically does not maneuver, it has decent dimensions, comfortable speed. It is not a Geranium, which is not so easy to find and shoot down, because it is slow and hardly noticeable to radar, there is too little metal in the structure. Well, as for supersonic missiles and modern (and the VKS has no other, unfortunately) aircraft, these would-be pilots are not up to the task.

In general, the actions of Zelensky and company are somehow increasingly reminiscent of the tossing and turning of the Hitler gang. There, too, they clutched at the straw of the "wunderwaffe" and convinced the Germans that "any minute now and...". Today, something painfully similar is observed in Kyiv. "Give us ATACAMS - and we will whitewash!" "Give us Tanks – and we will win! "Give us planes – and we will win!"

They gave everything. And where is the result?


Russian millstones grind slowly, but very confidently. Everything that was sent has been ground. And do you remember two years ago how the neighbors called the children "Bayraktars"? And composed songs about the wonder weapon? Well, where is it?

Major Vereshchagin, there was such a teacher on my life path, in such situations he said this: “Remember, comrades, technology in the hands of a savage is a pile of metal, with the exception of the Mosin rifle and the Kalashnikov assault rifle.”

We have the same situation: propaganda and only propaganda. Yes, the missiles caused some damage at the first stage of their use, but then Defense и EW practically reduced their significance to zero.

With the planes, everything turned out exactly the same, because the scenario is still the same: “Give us…” And then the usual “But they didn’t give us what we asked for, so we screwed up as always.”

Indeed, what did the gentlemen allies want there? Gratitude or something?

I am very glad that in our calculations everything turned out as we predicted:
- old models of aircraft (and who will give them new ones to slaughter?) will not be competitive with Russian aircraft;
- untrained pilots from the Air Force Directorate with six months of training are no match for Russian pilots;
- untrained and without due practice technical support will very quickly park the donated F-16s at the edge of the airfield, where broken equipment is dragged.

In general, everything is going according to the plan that we voiced at the time. And, what is very pleasant, all our conclusions are confirmed by a US Air Force colonel, albeit retired, who cannot be suspected of sympathizing with us.

Everything is coming to an end. Quite naturally. And May 2025 may turn out to be very similar to May 1945. And no "miracle weapon" will help here.
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  1. +27
    10 January 2025 05: 31
    Do you think that in May 2025 the Russian tricolor will rise over Kiev? I doubt it very much... And all other results of this war are not a victory, this is a strategic defeat for Russia. This is a new war, albeit postponed for a short time, but therefore more bloody and cruel, and perhaps the last in the history of mankind. And therefore, if we think as the author writes, May 2025 does not bring us anything good. Peace without victory is worth nothing, Donbass will not let us lie with the Minsk agreements. We need a victory, a victory recorded geographically on the political map of the world. And victory is Russia's borders with Poland, Romania and Hungary, without the used 404 gaskets and nothing else. I am absolutely sure of this.
    1. 0
      10 January 2025 06: 06
      Victory is needed, unconditional, final... but alas, it doesn't work out that it's final, as a rule there is a respite, for a while, and then again, enemies climb on our country and the reasons are, in general, clear.
      And according to him, we will have to destroy this enemy thoroughly, so that later all sorts of things don’t emerge from behind, inside, and start messing with us.
      When will this stage, this battle end... who knows.
      We just do what we must and it will be what is needed! soldier
      1. +12
        10 January 2025 13: 42
        Quote: rocket757
        Unfortunately, it doesn’t work out, as a rule there is a respite, for a while, and then again, enemies climb on our country and the reasons are, in general, understandable.
        And according to him, we will have to destroy this enemy thoroughly, so that later all sorts of things don’t emerge from behind, inside, and start messing with us.

        Well, how can I say? In 1945, everything was pretty much final. And then it was only consolidated by the nuclear shield, the Berlin Wall, the GSVG, the Warsaw Pact, and many other things. But as soon as the ruling class in the country degenerates into traders and traitors, there can be nothing else but defeat on the world stage, and everyone and everything wiping their feet on us, simply cannot happen.
        1. -1
          10 January 2025 13: 55
          It will be difficult, we need to establish good order in our home...
          This one will come eventually.
          1. +11
            10 January 2025 14: 44
            Quote: rocket757
            This one will come eventually.

            Unfortunately, I don't see an evolutionary path for our country's development. The upper classes simply don't want to change anything. Fortunately, the lower classes are still willing to endure. This is all we can hold on to for now.
            1. 0
              10 January 2025 14: 47
              There is no evolution in this aspect, only revolution. It has never happened any other way.
              For now... well, for now this is it. Who knows what will happen next?
              1. 0
                10 January 2025 14: 56
                Quote: rocket757
                There is no evolution in this aspect, only revolution. It has never happened any other way.

                With a small addition: "In these territories")))
                1. 0
                  10 January 2025 23: 53
                  It sometimes seems to me that those who like to "light up" in "these territories" always treat the people living there as a resource that needs to be mowed down as quickly as possible so that others don't have time to do it instead of the lovers.
              2. 0
                10 January 2025 23: 49
                And that's true, it's been a long time since the country was shaken by internal conflicts. It's time to shake off the old days and again put in a couple of million. Of course, for the sake of something good and eternal.
        2. +1
          10 January 2025 23: 47
          If they had immediately launched a missile strike on the factories where weapons for Ukraine are produced, then they certainly wouldn’t have walked all over us.
    2. +3
      10 January 2025 07: 01
      Do you think that in May 2025 the Russian tricolor will rise over Kyiv?

      Personally, I do not.
      The maximum is the liberation of Donbass, and even that is unlikely.
      There are too many territories left in Donbass to take them all in 1 year.
      And taking a city like Slavyansk or Kramatorsk has already taken almost a year.
      So we are waiting for 2026-27, this is already more realistic.
      1. -1
        10 January 2025 07: 04
        Quote: Ermak_415
        And taking a city like Slavyansk or Kramatorsk has been almost a year
        If we talk about it in military terms, you are right! But there is also diplomacy, which is also a sharp weapon
        1. +11
          10 January 2025 13: 12
          Our diplomacy is a less sharp weapon. Our Foreign Ministry does not demonstrate any diplomatic victories
          1. +2
            10 January 2025 14: 05
            Quote from alexoff
            Our diplomacy is a less sharp weapon
            An accurate observation. I agree.
          2. +1
            11 January 2025 00: 59
            Remember "Kozyrevshchina"? And now there is "Lavrovshchina"! Like a cherry on the cake: the failures of our MFA over the past 20 years are already obvious to many. Absolute whining, spinelessness and lack of principles.
            1. +1
              11 January 2025 02: 01
              Kozyrevshchina is to give everything away for free, shit in your pants, get all dirty with it, and then bow down in front of the US embassy. Lavrovshchina is to never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, to shit in your pants with a confident expression and then arrogantly condemn those who saw it.
              1. 0
                Yesterday, 16: 38
                That's what I'm talking about))) Lavrovshchina is no better than Kozyrevshchina.
    3. +8
      10 January 2025 13: 38
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      We need a victory, a victory that is geographically fixed on the political map of the world. And victory is Russia's borders with Poland, Romania and Hungary, without the used 404 gaskets and nothing else. I am absolutely sure of this.

      Yes, that's right. But we have neither the strength, nor the means, nor the political will for this. The guarantor and those to whom he guarantees continue to dream of a fixed deal.
      I have not seen any state ambitions in the actions of our leadership for a long time now. Everything is done only to retain power and wealth of the ruling elite of Russia.
      1. +5
        10 January 2025 15: 11
        And then you shouldn't have gotten involved in this mess at all. Think a hundred times... Well, and if you did get involved, then put everyone on their knees but win. But I see he doesn't need victory.
        1. +5
          10 January 2025 15: 39
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          And then you shouldn't have gotten into this mess at all. Think a hundred times...

          There was nothing to think about. The chess player has been living in a parallel universe for a long time, the one that is shown on Channel One. Even now I am not sure that he has a full picture of what is happening. But I am sure that there were many surprises for him. Hence the nonsense about "Russia has not started anything yet" and so on. In fact, the alpha was sure that in a week he would take Kyiv, put his own people there and everything would be in chocolate. But something went wrong...
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          But I see he doesn't need victory.

          Of course not. He is trying to avoid defeat. To keep power. And everything he has acquired with great difficulty.
          1. 0
            11 January 2025 00: 18
            Well, apparently the level of state and military management has fallen not only in the Russian Federation. One only has to read the statements of American (and what can we say about European) statesmen and experts, promises to destroy the Russian economy in a few months, but the third year of sanctions "from Hell" is underway, and still no stone flower emerges. Although it is more likely the case in the high quality of the economic block in Russia, which was able to minimize the damage from serious economic blows.

            As for Western military men, it is worth looking at the list of wonder weapons transferred to the Ukrainian side. Starting from Javelins and ending with Falcons - each was called a wonder weapon that could have turned the tide of the conflict, but the miracle, as usually happens, did not happen, although it did drink a lot of blood.

            So yes, apparently we live in an era when the powers that be are the result of their own propaganda and live in their own world. Or simply ordinary people live in a black and white world.)
            1. +1
              11 January 2025 08: 18
              Quote: NordOst16
              Well, apparently the level of state and military management has fallen not only in the Russian Federation. Just read...

              What are all these letters for? Is it the third year they have been at war there, and with partial self-mobilization? The US is generally making a pretty penny on all of this, including at the expense of the EU.
              To completely destroy the Russian economy? And why did you decide that the US had and has such a goal? They didn't destroy Iran and Venezuela, but they really hoped for it in the Russian Federation? Yeah, right.
              They clearly intended to cause damage. And that's what they achieved. And without even exhausting all their means.
              1. 0
                11 January 2025 09: 46
                Quote: Zoer
                What are all these letters for?

                About the same as your text. We have a free country, if you want something, you write something, if I want something, I write.

                Quote: Zoer
                Is it the third year they've been at war there, and with partial self-mobilization? The US is generally making a pretty penny on all of this, including at the expense of the EU.

                Well done, what can I say, they won't miss their chance. I definitely sympathize with some elements of US policy. I hope that we too will take (and do take) the example of the States and will gradually begin to move in the right direction.

                Quote: Zoer
                To completely destroy the Russian economy? And why did you decide that the US had and has such a goal?

                My assumptions, based on the statements of the President of the Russian Federation on December 15, 2022 at the meeting of the Council for Strategic Development and National Projects, and in general what the media writes (perhaps I am wrong).

                Quote: Zoer
                They clearly intended to cause damage. And that's what they achieved. And without even exhausting all their means.

                It would be surprising if they had not tried to do this. But, apparently, the Russian leadership had to make a choice between the bad (war) and the very bad (growing threat from Ukraine and a looming war, but with a much less favorable balance of forces).
                1. +2
                  11 January 2025 11: 44
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  We have a free country, if you want something, you write something, if I want something, I write something.

                  I'm not saying that it shouldn't have been written. I'm saying that uninteresting nonsense was written.
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  I definitely sympathize with some elements of US policy. I hope that we too will take (and do take) the example of the States and will slowly begin to move in the right direction.

                  This requires pluralism and political competition based on the supremacy of the people. We have a permanent monarchy in one form or another, and usurpation of power. Moreover, in the current historical period, the most disgusting usurpation, aimed only at the personal enrichment of the usurpers.
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  My assumptions, based on the statements of the President of the Russian Federation on December 15, 2022 at the meeting of the Council for Strategic Development and National Projects, and in general what the media writes (perhaps I am wrong).

                  If we make assumptions based on his statements, then we can assume that tomorrow we will live better than anyone else in the world)))
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  But, apparently, the Russian leadership had to make a choice between something bad (war) and something very bad (growing threat from Ukraine and a looming war, but with a much less favorable balance of power).

                  It's a pity that they did nothing except the obvious choice. They didn't plan, didn't forecast this esveo properly. They didn't prepare the country and the RF Armed Forces for a complex, protracted war.
                  1. 0
                    Yesterday, 00: 38
                    Quote: Zoer
                    I'm not saying that it shouldn't have been written. I'm saying that uninteresting nonsense was written.

                    I don't agree with you, as for me this view of things has a right to exist. And personally it seems more objective to me. Only time will judge.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    This requires pluralism and political competition based on the primacy of the people.

                    Well, why start arguing right away? In light of the events of recent years, only very... persistent people continue to believe in "pluralism and political competition" (it really exists, but a little different than idealists imagine) and "international law", "a world based on rules." This other such nonsense is either a fairy tale for the poor, or a formal reason to divide the world into good and bad. In the end, the country is ruled by money and the interests of a very small group of people. And the well-being of the people is determined only by how much the interests of the majority intersect with the interests of the minority. In the United States, this has always been good, better than in the overwhelming majority of countries in the world. In the Russian Federation, this is much worse, but I hope that this will be corrected over time.
                    But this has nothing to do with the leadership of the people and other things that you wrote.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    We have a permanent monarchy in one form or another, and usurpation of power. Moreover, in the current historical period, the most disgusting usurpation, aimed only at the personal enrichment of the usurpers.

                    Oh, come on, we were writing about the Russian Federation, and you're writing about the Ukrainian government.) It will be hard to outdo these guys, even for our statesmen.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    If we make assumptions based on his statements, then we can assume that tomorrow we will live better than anyone else in the world)))

                    Well, there is little choice here, either listen to VVP and move towards the better, or read and listen to progressively minded guys like Radio Liberty/political emigrants and other interested parties, but with such a position, only dig a grave in the cemetery. Here, each person chooses his own.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    It's a pity that they did nothing except the obvious choice. They didn't plan, didn't forecast this esveo properly. They didn't prepare the country and the RF Armed Forces for a complex, protracted war.

                    Well, war was not an obvious choice, but the last argument that everyone would hear and would have to take into account. Before that, there were attempts to resolve everything with minimal bloodshed, but this was clearly not part of the plans of Great Britain and the USA. War does not always go as it is initially planned, but Russia is far from the first and certainly not the last.
                    But every cloud has a silver lining, it will be easier to project soft power on the population of Ukraine later. First, to believe in the bright idea of ​​joining the "civilized" European civilization, and in the end to find yourself in the role of a sacrificial bull on the altar of interests completely alien to Ukrainians... well, this will discourage most people from any rash actions for a long time.
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                      Yesterday, 10: 07
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Well, why start arguing right away? In light of the events of recent years, only very... persistent people continue to believe in "pluralism and political competition" (it really does exist, but it's a little different than what idealists imagine).

                      It doesn't matter what it is, the main thing is that it exists. And it's much better than our swamp of state grandfathers.

                      Quote: NordOst16
                      But this has nothing to do with the leadership of the people and other things that you wrote.

                      The supremacy of the people is not in itself. Of course, there is no such thing anywhere in the world. The people are a resource everywhere. The only question is where is this resource, and how is it used? Our main resource is the country's subsoil. And the people are just servicing the pipes and barrels. In China, the people are the main engine of the economy. That is why they have been living better than us for a long time.
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Well, there is little choice here, either listen to VVP and move towards the better, or read and listen to progressively minded guys like Radio Liberty/political emigrants and other interested parties, but with such a position, only dig a grave in the cemetery. Here, each person chooses his own.

                      There is no choice here. Soon we will hear the mumbling senile man and his signature "oursosotis". And after the swan lake on Channel One, the country will again go through perestroika, with the well-known results.
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Wars do not always proceed as they were originally planned, but Russia is far from the first and certainly not the last.

                      If you don't prepare for it... If you don't have a handle on the real situation, both in your army and in the enemy's, then yes. That's exactly what happens.
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                        Yesterday, 14: 22
                        Quote: Zoer
                        It doesn't matter what it is, the main thing is that it exists. And it's much better than our swamp of state grandfathers.

                        You are being disingenuous here, especially if you look at the age of the current and next president. Old men in power are not unique to Russia. As for "the main thing is that it exists" - if it's just for show, then fine.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        The supremacy of the people is not in itself. Of course, there is no such thing anywhere in the world. The people are a resource everywhere. The only question is where is this resource, and how is it used? Our main resource is the country's subsoil. And the people are just servicing the pipes and barrels. In China, the people are the main engine of the economy. That is why they have been living better than us for a long time.

                        Well, what are you saying, with all the existing problems, if you look at the HDI or GDP (PPP) per capita, the Russian Federation is at the tail end of developed countries (and, by the way, is above China), which clearly hints that the earth's interior is not the country's only resource. And if you look at 2023, budget revenues from oil and gas amounted to about a third, and the contribution of the extractive industry to GDP is even less.
                        So I wouldn't say that in the Russian Federation only the subsoil is exploited, there are tendencies towards diversification. And how else to increase income not at the expense of oil and gas - only at the expense of high-tech sectors of the economy. Which require a more attentive attitude to human resources, especially considering its limited reserve (we are not China or India).

                        Quote: Zoer
                        There is no choice here. Soon we will hear the mumbling senile man and his signature "oursuckers".

                        Apparently, the Russian Federation will achieve the goals set (and not those invented by TG experts and military correspondents), unfortunately, at a higher price than originally planned.
                        But we will see a "mumbling senile man" in the person of, at a minimum, the German government, at whose expense actions were taken to weaken the economic potential of the Russian Federation and, in parallel, weaken the economic potential of leading and not so leading EU countries.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Well, after the Swan Lake on Channel One, the country will again go through perestroika, with known results.

                        It seems to me that this will most likely be the fate of the Ukrainian government, because sooner or later they will be presented with a bill both from the outside and from the inside.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        If you don't prepare for it... If you don't have a handle on the real situation, both in your army and in the enemy's, then yes. That's exactly what happens.

                        We were preparing, but for a completely different one. It is good that, apparently, the mistakes are being corrected slowly, but in the future, which will have a beneficial effect on further competitive struggle.
                      2. 0
                        Today, 10: 12
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        You are being disingenuous here, especially if you look at the age of the current and next president. Old men in power are not unique to Russia.

                        Well, there too, the immediate interests of the capitalists won over the state.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        As for "the main thing is that it exists" - if it's just for show, then fine.

                        No. ANY competition is better than no competition at all.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Well, what are you saying, despite all the existing problems, if you look at the HDI or GDP (PPP) per capita, the Russian Federation is at the tail end of developed countries (and, by the way, is above the PRC), which clearly hints at the fact that the earth's interior is not the country's only resource.

                        This is suggested by the median salary of 45 thousand rubles in the country, and the average utility bill of 8-10 thousand rubles in winter for a 50 square meter apartment. And also the price of kWh for the population, which until 2022 was higher here than for industrialists in Germany.
                        All your GDP and PPP are all from the evil one. It's good that you didn't show off the FORBES list)))
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        So I wouldn't say that in the Russian Federation only the subsoil is exploited, there are tendencies towards diversification. And how else to increase income not at the expense of oil and gas - only at the expense of high-tech sectors of the economy.

                        Yes, yes. I have been working in this sector of the economy my entire adult life. I am lucky. So I can see perfectly well from the inside how it is there and what. And I can say with confidence that NOTHING has changed since 2014. All these tales about import substitution have remained tales.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Apparently, the Russian Federation will achieve the goals set (and not those invented by TG experts and military correspondents), unfortunately, at a higher price than originally planned.

                        As I expected, it looks like there will be a deal that will be declared a great victory. I am more than sure that neither the 404th nor the West will recognize Crimea and the LPR and DPR as Russian. There will also be no guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO. There will be another Minsk agreement. Which no one will implement. This will simply be a freeze of the conflict along the LPR line.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        It seems to me that this will most likely be the fate of the Ukrainian government, because sooner or later they will be presented with a bill both from the outside and from the inside.

                        The Ukrainian government will go to the USA to retire, and not a poor one.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        It is encouraging that, judging by everything, the mistakes are being corrected slowly, which will have a beneficial effect on further competitive struggle in the future.

                        What is being corrected there? Public sector employees "voluntarily" deduct from their salaries to help the SVO, but at the same time parks and museums are still being built at the expense of the Ministry of Defense. The daughter of the former Minister of Defense is still spinning billions in Fort Island in Kronstadt. Nothing has changed.
                      3. 0
                        Today, 12: 56
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Well, there too, the immediate interests of the capitalists won over the state.

                        Пока в мире альтернативных вариантов управления государством просто нет. Дополню реальных и отработанных вариантов. Так что приходится выбирать из того, что имеется на руках и надеяться получить самое лучшее из наличия.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        No. ANY competition is better than no competition at all.

                        Я с вами согласен, но именно если конкуренция, а не её иммитация. Ибо формально она и в РФ имеется.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        На это намекает медианная ЗП в 45 т.р. в стране, и средний счёт за ЖКХ в 8-10 т.р. зимой за квартиру в 50 кв.метров.

                        Если сравнить медианные ЗП в долларах по ППС на 2023 год, то медианная ЗП в РФ где-то в полтора раза меньше нежели чем в Германии (сайт world_population_review убрать нижние подчёркивания и добавить обвязку по краям).
                        Про квартплату ничего не могу сказать, но в Питере (личный опыт так что данные не репрезентивные) 12к - это где-то стоимость за 2 квартиры в которых живут 3 человека в каждой.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        А так же цена КВт*ч для населения, которая до 2022 года у нас была выше, чем для промышленников в Германии.

                        Сравнивать стоимость электроэнергии для хозяйств и для бизнеса неправильно ибо в Германии они различаются примерно в 1,4 раза.
                        Если же сравнивать среднюю стоимость за 2024 год, то различия в стоимости электроэнергии в РФ и Германии - где-то в 3 раза не в пользу помледней.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        All your GDP and PPP are all from the evil one. It's good that you didn't show off the FORBES list)))

                        При всех минусах оценки экономики по ППС - это попытка более точной оценки экономического показателя стран. Ибо сравнение стоимости цен в лоб в большинсиве случаев не самый точный способ оценки. Если у вас есть более точные методики оценки, то напишите. Если я не ошибаюсь, то над такой проблемой бьётся немало экономистов.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Yes, yes. I have been working in this sector of the economy my entire adult life. I am lucky. So I can see perfectly well from the inside how it is there and what. And I can say with confidence that NOTHING has changed since 2014. All these tales about import substitution have remained tales.

                        Ваш опыт, как и мой, не реррезентативен из-за возможных выбросов и субъективной оценки. Ибо я могу привести в пример случай, когда учёные приезжали из США работать в РФ ибо здесь, при всех проблемах, им было проще нежели чем в Штатах (вроде в 2014ом большая программа со стороны РНФ была по выдачи грантов под организацию лабораторий ведущими зарубежными специалистами), но это же не значит, что у нас лучше организованы управление и финансирование науки.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Как я и предполагал, судя по всему будет договорняк, который объявят великой победой.

                        Я предполагаю, что о победе объявят все: и в РФ, и на Украине, и в ЕС, и в США, все будут говорить про свою победу.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Я более чем уверен, что ни 404я, ни запад не признает Крым и ЛДНР российскими.

                        Япония тоже не признаёт суверинетет РФ над островами Курильской гряды, но это не особо мешало ни СССР, ни РФ.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Никакой гарантии не вступления Украины в НАТО так же не будет. Будет очередные Минские соглашения.

                        Это предмет будущих переговоров, гарантия невступления - это постоянная угроза возникновения нового конфликта со стороны РФ. Эта ситуация будет отоична от Минских договорённостей хотя бы потому, что был использован "последний довод королей" с которым не считаться уже в принципе не могут.
                        Если уже говорить про самые пессимистичные расчёты, то есть пример Израиля перед глазами - помтоянные конфликты не прмтавтли крест на развитии государства.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        The Ukrainian government will go to the USA to retire, and not a poor one.

                        Саакашвили не смог это провернуть, думаю такие же неиллюзорные шансы есть и у нынешнего руководства Украины.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        What is being corrected there? Public sector employees "voluntarily" deduct from their salaries to help the SVO, but at the same time parks and museums are still being built at the expense of the Ministry of Defense. The daughter of the former Minister of Defense is still spinning billions in Fort Island in Kronstadt. Nothing has changed.

                        Что поделать, если все всё делали по правилам, то мы давно жили в раю, но райских кущ особо на карте мира не видать.
                      4. 0
                        Today, 15: 30
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Пока в мире альтернативных вариантов управления государством просто нет. Дополню реальных и отработанных вариантов.

                        Есть. Смотрим на тот же Китай. Было и в СССР. Правда там как раз ради личного обогащения некоторых страну и разрушили.

                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Я с вами согласен, но именно если конкуренция, а не её иммитация. Ибо формально она и в РФ имеется.

                        Не смешите! Сравнивать имитацию конкуренции демократов и респов с нашими ВВП, ЕДРОсами и теми же КПРФами, это даже не смешно.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Если сравнить медианные ЗП в долларах по ППС на 2023 год, то медианная ЗП в РФ где-то в полтора раза меньше нежели чем в Германии (сайт world_population_review убрать нижние подчёркивания и добавить обвязку по краям).

                        Причём тут опять таки ППС? Это сфероконь в вакууме. Один Сечин или Миллер имеют покупательскую способность за сотни тысяч человек.
                        Считаем сухие цифры медианной ЗП. В РФ при курсе ойро в 90 р она была 500 евро в 2023 г. В Германии в том же году только МРОТ около 1700 евро. Продукты там стоят +- так же. Тачки сильно дешевле. Аренда жилья ничем не отличается от наших цен в том же С-Пб. Так что не нужно так манипулировать цифрами.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Про квартплату ничего не могу сказать, но в Питере (личный опыт так что данные не репрезентивные) 12к - это где-то стоимость за 2 квартиры в которых живут 3 человека в каждой.

                        Это только летом, без отопления. Или зимой, но за 33 кв. м.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Сравнивать стоимость электроэнергии для хозяйств и для бизнеса неправильно ибо в Германии они различаются примерно в 1,4 раза.

                        Да, причём для населения дешевле.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Если же сравнивать среднюю стоимость за 2024 год, то различия в стоимости электроэнергии в РФ и Германии - где-то в 3 раза не в пользу помледней.

                        Сию вопиющую несправедливость исправили сами правители Германии, отказавшись от нашего газа. Наши правители здесь совершенно ни причём. Вот что противно.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        При всех минусах оценки экономики по ППС - это попытка более точной оценки экономического показателя стран. Ибо сравнение стоимости цен в лоб в большинсиве случаев не самый точный способ оценки. Если у вас есть более точные методики оценки, то напишите. Если я не ошибаюсь, то над такой проблемой бьётся немало экономистов.

                        Это попытка выдать помёт за конфетку, и не более того. Сродни средней ЗП. Экономисты вообще не бьются над проблемами. Они просто ведут статистику и подсчёты. Они оперируют прошлым.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Ваш опыт, как и мой, не реррезентативен из-за возможных выбросов и субъективной оценки.

                        Мой опыт работы в отрасли 20 лет. В этот опыт входит несколько компаний. И смежные компании так же. и мои коллеги и родственники, так же многое повидали, и говорят то же самое. Так что моя выборка в данном срезе весьма не маленькая. Да в общем то и вокруг можно посмотреть. Что и как там "импортозаместили" в автопроме или микроэлектронике.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        бо я могу привести в пример случай, когда учёные приезжали из США работать в РФ ибо здесь, при всех проблемах, им было проще нежели чем в Штатах (вроде в 2014ом большая программа со стороны РНФ была по выдачи грантов под организацию лабораторий ведущими зарубежными специалистами), но это же не значит, что у нас лучше организованы управление и финансирование науки.

                        Приведите пожалуйста. И что из под этих ученых вышло? Вот примеров нобелевских лауреатов, выходцев из СССР/РФ, я точно знаю. А вот наоборот нет.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Я предполагаю, что о победе объявят все: и в РФ, и на Украине, и в ЕС, и в США, все будут говорить про свою победу.

                        Именно так оно и будет.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Япония тоже не признаёт суверинетет РФ над островами Курильской гряды, но это не особо мешало ни СССР, ни РФ.

                        Но всё таки мешало и мешает. И ещё неизвестно, чем закончится.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Если уже говорить про самые пессимистичные расчёты, то есть пример Израиля перед глазами - помтоянные конфликты не прмтавтли крест на развитии государства.

                        Именно такие расчёты я и говорю. А Израиль пока, что ещё живёт, потому. как имеет неограниченную поддержку гегемона планеты. Мы же испытываем колоссальное давление со стороны этого же гегемона. Мы давно не СССР, и кто бы что не говорил, санкции для нас весьма чувствительны. Самостоятельно мы всё это не вытянем. И сейчас мы находимся в огромной зависимости от Китая. Как то не очень приятная ситуация.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Саакашвили не смог это провернуть, думаю такие же неиллюзорные шансы есть и у нынешнего руководства Украины.

                        А Саакашвили ничего толком для США и не сделал, в отличии от чубатых.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        но райских кущ особо на карте мира не видать.

                        Отличный аргумент в пользу воровства из МО в военный и предвоенный период! good
    4. +3
      10 January 2025 15: 01
      such a victory will require everything, total dedication and great sacrifices, and from both sides - and everyone will have to fight, and this will probably be the last war. The government is not ready for this, society is not ready. Will is needed, at all levels, strong power, ready to sacrifice, first of all themselves - I have not seen any will at the top since the beginning of the war, so what kind of complete victory are we talking about? If you repeat your desire a hundred times - nothing will change, we need deeds! and only deeds.
      1. +1
        10 January 2025 15: 44
        Quote: Andrey_5
        Such a victory will require everything, complete dedication and great sacrifices, and from both sides - and everyone will have to fight, and this war will probably be the last.

        This is only if NATO and the US get directly involved in the war. But they are not burning with desire. And if our traders had a little more testicles, and acted more harshly and confidently during the first deliveries of Western weapons, then the Westerners would have ended the conflict long ago.
        Quote: Andrey_5
        We need will, at all levels, a strong government, ready to sacrifice, first of all themselves - I have not seen any will at the top since the beginning of the war, so what kind of complete victory are we talking about?

        That's exactly what I'm talking about.
      2. 0
        11 January 2025 00: 20
        Apparently, the majority of the population does not want to madly jump into the heat of war and, fortunately, this opinion is shared by the state apparatus.
        1. 0
          11 January 2025 08: 54
          Quote: NordOst16
          Apparently, the majority of the population does not want to madly jump into the heat of war and, fortunately, this opinion is shared by the state apparatus.

          Why did this device even start this esveo? To whine later - let's come to an agreement? request
          1. -1
            11 January 2025 09: 24
            To achieve certain goals, for example, preventing Ukraine from joining NATO, reducing the country's military and economic potential in order to neutralize its threat. Which is actively prevented from being done, but, apparently, in the end it works out, albeit at a higher price.
            Everything else, like the complete seizure of territory, a parade in Kyiv, etc., people have already come up with themselves and are now upset that their fantasies are not being realized. At the same time, the country's top leadership and the Ministry of Defense have never declared such goals.
            So now only TG experts-war correspondents and their sympathizers are whining.
            1. +1
              11 January 2025 11: 50
              Quote: NordOst16
              To achieve certain goals, for example, preventing Ukraine from joining NATO, reducing the country's military and economic potential in order to neutralize its threat. Which is actively prevented from being done, but, apparently, in the end it works out, albeit at a higher price.
              Everything else, like the complete seizure of territory, a parade through Kyiv, etc., people have already come up with for themselves and are now upset that their fantasies are not being realized.

              Don't you realize that all the goals you have voiced cannot be achieved without changing the political system in Saloreikh? And changing the political regime is impossible without the Russian Armed Forces entering Kyiv? And also answer, for what purpose was the landing in Gostomel carried out, and the movement to Bucha and further to Kyiv?
              What funny attempts you make to pretend that you didn’t really want it.
              1. 0
                Yesterday, 00: 06
                Quote: Zoer
                But don’t you realize that all the goals you have voiced cannot be achieved without changing the political system in Saloreich?

                Why it is still impossible - it is quite possible that by the end of the conflict Ukraine will be weakened both economically and demographically, and this smacks of political destabilization. Even if a supposedly anti-Russian government remains there, it will not be able to pose much of a threat and will probably be simply overthrown over time. You can look at the example of Georgia, where there is a leadership that is not at all pro-Russian, but is quite aware of the possible prospects if their actions go beyond certain limits. They didn't even have to go to Tbilisi.
                Or remember the "treaty" between the USSR and the USA during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I don't remember the States taking Havana, although they were able to neutralize the threat. And how many hotheads there were who dreamed of a radical solution to this issue.

                Quote: Zoer
                And also answer, for what purpose was the landing carried out in Gostomel, and the movement to Bucha and further to Kyiv?

                The VVP and the Ministry of Defense leadership have not yet informed me of their plans, but I will assume that something like 08 08 08 was planned.

                Quote: Zoer
                What funny attempts you make to pretend that you didn’t really want it.

                As funny as they may be, they are far less cannibalistic than your desire to kill even more people for a goal that can be achieved in a less bloody way.
                Apparently, for some, the more human suffering, the better. Apparently, people in the government are much more aware of the real state of affairs and have a much more realistic view of the world. This is good news.
                1. 0
                  Yesterday, 09: 54
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  Why is it still impossible - it is quite possible that by the end of the conflict Ukraine will be weakened both economically and demographically, and this smacks of political destabilization.

                  Oh, I've been hearing this nonsense since 2014, when the war in Donbass started. Many experts shouted in unison that Ukraine would soon fall apart on its own. Yeah, right - right.
                  Nothing will change there without a military victory and the destruction of Banderaism.

                  Quote: NordOst16
                  The VVP and the Ministry of Defense leadership have not yet informed me of their plans, but I will assume that something like 08 08 08 was planned.

                  There was no point in this and there is absolutely NO point in this, given the Western support for Ukraine.
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  As funny as they may be, they are far less cannibalistic than your desire to kill even more people for a goal that can be achieved in a less bloody way.
                  Apparently, for some people, the more human suffering, the better.

                  Do you think it's less cannibalistic to fight for 3 years, kill hundreds of thousands of people, and not achieve any significant goals? And what's more, to have prospects for resuming all this esveo? However, the humanism is simply off the charts.

                  Quote: NordOst16
                  This is what makes me happy.

                  These are the joys of nearness.
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                    Yesterday, 15: 00
                    Quote: Zoer
                    Oh, I've been hearing this nonsense since 2014, when the war in Donbass started. Many experts shouted in unison that Ukraine would soon fall apart on its own. Yeah, right - right.
                    Nothing will change there without a military victory and the destruction of Banderaism.

                    Well, nobody set the task of destroying Ukraine (though, as it seems to me, even now). There were attempts to reach an agreement both with the Ukrainian government and with those who supported it. Again, to minimize costs and casualties among people. But, unfortunately, it did not work out.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    There was no point in this and there is absolutely NO point in this, given the Western support for Ukraine.

                    I can assume that at the beginning of the operation it was not so obvious. I would not be surprised that there was a calculation that a demonstration of readiness (and accordingly the introduction of troops) would be enough for both the Ukrainian side and Western countries to negotiate. Unfortunately, the Ukrainian side did not have subjectivity, and Western countries decided to use the Ukrainian people as a tool to weaken the Russian Federation.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    Do you think it’s less cannibalistic to fight for 3 years, kill hundreds of thousands of people, and not achieve any significant goals?

                    Apparently, of all the possible options, this one turned out to be the least bad. Surely the government was choosing between a bad and a very bad development of the situation.
                    Besides, what are these "significant goals?" Capture of territory/villages/cities? Some very outdated indicators of the effectiveness of military actions. I would not be surprised that such criteria are made by people who are not very good at public administration and are aggravated by a lack of information multiplied by the absence of a rational view of the situation.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    And moreover, to have prospects for the renewal of all this esveo? However, humanism is simply off the charts.

                    I think that by the end of the military actions Ukraine will have neither the strength to carry it out, nor the desire of the people, the latter is usually of little interest to anyone, but the exhausted population, coupled with competent work on the Ukrainian masses, can very well bring the situation to the Georgian manner. In addition, the potentially available support from the EU countries will also be reduced because they will have to deal with the economic problems caused by their short-sighted support of economic and political pressure on the Russian Federation (which does not exclude "Swan Lake" in European countries, when the debriefing begins). Western propaganda certainly works wonders, but any tool has its limits.

                    Quote: Zoer
                    However, the humanism is simply off the charts.

                    Of course, I think this approach to solving the problem was chosen after analyzing the possible consequences for the economy and the population. And it is much more preferable against the background of the desires of some people to put all citizens of the Russian Federation on the scaffold of war for the sake of their own interests or meager ideas about state governance.
                    And, I repeat once again, this cannot but please.
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                      Today, 10: 33
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Well, no one set the task of destroying Ukraine (though, as it seems to me, even now). There were attempts to reach an agreement both with the Ukrainian government and with those who supported it.

                      The Ukrainian government has not been able to negotiate since the time of Yushchenko. This was known to everyone. And our guarantor's goal was to change the government in Ukraine to one loyal to Russia. And now even this goal has been abandoned. It turned out to be too tough.
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Unfortunately, the Ukrainian side had no subjectivity, and Western countries decided to use the Ukrainian people as a tool to weaken the Russian Federation.

                      In that case, how could one have hoped that the West would fall for the chess player’s bluff?
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Also, what are these "meaningful goals"?

                      A change of regime in Ukraine and a complete refusal to join NATO. Worldwide recognition of Crimea and Donbass as Russian. But I am sure that these are unattainable goals for the Russian Federation now.

                      Quote: NordOst16
                      I think that by the end of the military actions Ukraine will have neither the strength to carry it out, nor the desire of the people, the latter is usually of little interest to anyone, but the exhausted population, coupled with competent work on the Ukrainian masses, can very well bring the situation to the Georgian manner.

                      The hopes of young men are nourished... Yeah.
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Moreover, the potentially available support from EU countries will also be reduced because they will have to deal with economic problems caused by their short-sighted support of economic and political pressure on the Russian Federation (which does not exclude a "Swan Lake" in European countries when the debriefing begins). Western propaganda certainly works wonders, but any tool has its limits.

                      We have exactly the same thing. And how long our economy can continue to splutter in this mode is completely unclear. The Central Bank rate of 21% is, of course, an indicator of "development".
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      And, I repeat once again, this cannot but please.

                      I will repeat myself once again. A bloody massacre that did not yield ANY positive results is a defeat that can lead to anything. In general, the Russo-Japanese War and its results are probably the closest historical analogue to everything that is happening now. And the consequences can be exactly the same.
    5. 0
      10 January 2025 22: 23
      I'm all for it. I'd just like to point out one thing. For some reason, all the "poor Western weapons" turn out to be not much worse than Russian ones, and often much better. For example, there was so much laughter and mockery about the Bradley, but in fact, it is the only IFV on the LBS today with armor comparable to a tank's, which is not so easy to disable. And the vaunted BMP-3, in which for some reason they carry half a ton of large-caliber ammunition, atomizes both the crew in it and the paratroopers who were unlucky enough to be in it at the first penetration...
      According to local experts, Leo tanks are crap, but just a few days ago, here, snot-sniffing with delight, they told how for the first time in 1,5 years, an FPV strike managed to blow up the Leo2A6 ammo. Guys, in your entire T line (from 62, 64, 72, 80 to 90M) every day on both sides of the front line, "towers are blown off" by the ammo detonation many times, but these are supposedly "cool tanks", and Leo is crap...
      1. +1
        11 January 2025 00: 33
        Quote: Rakitin
        For example, there was a lot of laughter and mockery about the Bradley, but in fact it is the only IFV in the LBS today with armor comparable to a tank, which is not so easy to disable.

        Only the average person and TG expert-war correspondents (as for the sweet ones - there's always a black sheep in every family) poured shit on it. As for the military and engineers, you only have to look at experimental platforms like the Armata T15 and Kurganets-25 to understand which concept was chosen as promising.

        Quote: Rakitin
        And the vaunted BMP-3, which for some reason carries half a ton of large-caliber ammunition, atomizes both the crew inside it and the paratroopers who were unlucky enough to be in it at the first penetration...

        The car is of an old concept, don't expect miracles.

        Quote: Rakitin
        According to local experts, Leo tanks are crap, but just a few days ago, here, snot-sniffing with delight, they told how for the first time in 1,5 years, an FPV strike managed to blow up the Leo2A6 ammo. Guys, in your entire T line (from 62, 64, 72, 80 to 90M) every day on both sides of the front line, "towers are blown off" by the ammo detonation many times, but these are supposedly "cool tanks", and Leo is crap...

        Well, how else? T-shirts are a working weapon of war, with certain advantages and not without problems (like Bradleys, by the way). And Leos, Challengers, Abrams are stylish and beautiful, but very expensive, and are not much more difficult to kill than the others. So the military faces the eternal question: Do you want checkers (Leos, Challengers, Abrams) or to go (T-shirts)?
      2. 0
        11 January 2025 09: 03
        Quote: Rakitin
        Bradley, but in fact it is the only IFV on the LBS today with armor comparable to a tank, which is not so easy to disable.

        Where did you get such a strange personal opinion? Probably because of the super armor, they hang additional DZ like Contact on these nonsense. They take out these nonsense in batches, and with the explosion of the ammo, and with complete burnout.
        Quote: Rakitin
        According to local experts, Leo tanks are a threshing floor,

        For a big war, it's crap. Because it's expensive. And they're destroyed just as easily as T-shirts, with the only difference being that they don't drop their turrets. So the fascist Tigers were also considered the height of perfection, but the 34th turned out to be BETTER, based on the COMBINATION of all qualities.
        So, don’t clap your hands just because of the superiority of one criterion, without noticing the disadvantages of the others.
    6. +2
      10 January 2025 23: 05
      We haven't liberated Donbass in three years, and you're raving about Romania and Poland. How is that?
    7. -1
      10 January 2025 23: 46
      In 2025, the Russian Federation will strike nuclear weapons at the manufacturers of weapons that are supplied to Ukraine and thus radically solve the problem.
  2. +12
    10 January 2025 05: 54
    By May 2025, the complete liberation of Donbass looks unrealistic, and in the article about Kiev....
    1. +2
      10 January 2025 07: 57
      And why do we need Kyiv? To feed three million hungry evil creatures?
      1. +1
        10 January 2025 20: 36
        Quote: Misanthrope_3
        And why do we need Kyiv? To feed three million hungry evil creatures?

        I will answer with Prilepin’s words:
        You, on this multinational land, live and use the oil and gas that flow from this land, beat, and pour into your mouth.

        Do you know why they flow?

        Because our ancestors didn't suffer from this bullshit: "Oh, why do we need this?!? The Kazan Horde, the Siberian Khanate, the Crimean Khanate, the Astrakhan Khanate!?? We lived just fine without them! Aliens live there, don't you understand?!"

        Our ancestors didn’t understand, thank God.

        Now the descendants sit on this good and "understand everything." They don't need anything, they are tired.

        4. “Schools should be built for our own people, not for strangers.”

        This is all from the category of logic a la Ksenia Sobchak: why do we need Crimea, it would be better to fix the toilets in the provinces.

        Big countries have huge ambitions. Either we build schools, or the barmaleys, or the English. That's the choice.

        And the Russian Empire – not the USSR, but the Russian Empire, where there was no socialism – said: this is mine. This is not the English’s or the religious fanatics’, but mine. My land. My new outskirts.

        And what kind of miracle has appeared to us now? The supposed heirs of the "Russian Empire", haters of the "Sovok" - who are shaking from any imperial burdens. They are rejecting this inheritance with all their might.

        "No, no, no, we don't need any of this."

        You have nothing to do with the Russian Empire. You are like... Ukrainians or the Israelis. Here they are. The logic is one to one. "We need a one-room national apartment. And so that it doesn't drip."
        1. +2
          11 January 2025 00: 09
          Quote: Mikhail_Zverev
          I will answer with Prilepin's words

          Wonderful words. good
  3. BAI
    +13
    10 January 2025 06: 09
    The article seems to be about airplanes, but everyone will be discussing the ending - nothing will end in May.
    And in general, how can you finish something that you haven’t started yet?
    1. +10
      10 January 2025 08: 50
      About the planes - purely Google translation. You'll break your brain while reading.
  4. +7
    10 January 2025 06: 28
    The American military-industrial complex needed to be loaded and they successfully loaded it. They gave away the old stuff and will receive the new. It's pure business!
  5. +10
    10 January 2025 06: 35
    The Americans kept their promise and two dozen "Fighting Falcons" were transferred to Kyiv. But were they able to influence the situation in any way?

    No.


    This is probably how propaganda should be conducted. We will take it out with one left hand and so on. Nevertheless, planes from Ukrainian airfields take off and, what is especially unexpected, land. Of the 12 planes that struck the Kherson region, one was shot down. Unfortunately, at least for now, the Falcons are not found immediately after takeoff and are not destroyed, and these are human lives. Probably, the situation will change in the future.
    1. +5
      10 January 2025 08: 29
      Time passes, and the enemy pilots gain experience. And the author admitted that the enemy shoots down our cruise missiles using F 16.
  6. +1
    10 January 2025 07: 00
    When there was talk of supplying the pig-faced F-16s, the main task that was set for them was to combat our large-caliber FABs, which were really annoying them. But lately I haven't heard anything about the use of FABs. I wonder if there is any connection here? What do you think?
    1. -6
      10 January 2025 08: 33
      no, judging by the reports, ours are doing quite well...
    2. +1
      10 January 2025 08: 58
      Shoot down a cast iron with wings near the LBS using F-16 missiles costing almost a million?
      Good luck!
      1. +3
        10 January 2025 10: 55
        Shoot down a cast iron with wings near the LBS using F-16 missiles costing almost a million?
        This cast iron weighs three tons and, if it lands successfully, will cause the enemy losses amounting to many millions.
        1. +1
          11 January 2025 01: 12
          Quote: Neo-9947
          Knock down cast iron with wings near LBS..
          Neo wanted to say that according to the theory of combat effectiveness, the probability of success is about zero, and with repeated actions, the probability of getting a good beating increases... It's nice to talk about the economic component - we can't forget about it
    3. +1
      11 January 2025 00: 38
      Just recently, something happened to Motor Sich. I think they don't publish videos because the footage has become commonplace, now everyone only wants missile strikes.
      We can also recall the Swedish AWACS, but they also do not shine. Either it does not help, or they sensibly assess the chances of survival of such aircraft.
  7. +1
    10 January 2025 07: 09
    The track record of aircraft types mastered by the retired American colonel commands respect, he is truly a brave colonel.
    But it is clearly noticeable that the flight psychology, thinking and training of Western and Soviet pilots are very different.
    Russian pilots took all the best that was in the Soviet Air Force, Ukrainian pilots lost what they had, and by Western standards they are simply not ready; such training requires decades.
  8. +3
    10 January 2025 08: 21
    It is clear that the F-16 did not live up to expectations.
    But why does the author draw a historical parallel between May 1945 and May 2025? Is he a psychic, does he know the future?
    Let's see the facts:
    Bakhmut, Wagner took 224 days. It went down in military history as the "Bakhmut meat grinder".
    Mariupol - almost 3 months.
    Avdeevsky UR - 2 years of assault.
    Trump is more likely to agree to a freeze on the BLS in exchange for lifting sanctions.
  9. +5
    10 January 2025 08: 47
    The F-16 is a good aircraft, but 20, and that's how many were transferred, cannot solve the tasks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. At least 200 of the latest modifications are needed at the same time, and this is unrealistic for many reasons: there are not that many pilots and it will not be possible to train them quickly; the same with technicians; if 20 fighters can somehow be shoved around Romania, Poland, Ukraine, then the number with 200 will not work
  10. +15
    10 January 2025 09: 41
    Once again I am convinced how the mechanism of article generation works in the artificial intelligence system roman scomorohoff, a phrase of some official is taken "Fu-16 cannot fight against technological aircraft of the Russian Federation" and around this phrase a meaningless text the size of a sheet is generated, there is no meaning in this generated system, but if there is nothing to do then you can read it for a very long time in search of meaning. P.S. I wish I had such an AI system in the Soviet school to generate essays on any topic.
    1. -1
      10 January 2025 10: 25
      Quote from: mad-max78
      P.S. I wish I had such an AI system in Soviet school to generate essays on any topic.

      It is not possible to generate essays even with the help of an AI system.
      In Soviet schools there was a literature textbook, a kind of AI system for generating essays, in a primitive form of course.
      Our literature teacher in high school forbade us to use it (!!!), and immediately determined who used this glorious textbook when writing essays.
      In this way, the teacher developed the mental abilities of the youngsters.
  11. -6
    10 January 2025 09: 53
    The article is relevant, we give it a 5, but wait, everything can change dramatically, having understood NATO's mistake, all the Soviet aircraft from Poland, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Slovakia, the Middle East, Africa and will be brought to the Banderites, and there, in the barns, churn out an airplane for ten sorties, which does not need regulations, etc., just a result, launch a cruise missile into which NATO has uploaded a program, so that the war even Trump with Putin will agree on something, for a long time, this war is extremely profitable for the US, with its end, the US will lose even more money, so China will spread its wings and begin to twist the US fingers and squeeze Taiwan ...
  12. Des
    +2
    10 January 2025 10: 18
    From an article by the respected author of VO:
    "In fact, the brave colonel has already confirmed what we have talked about, and more than once: it is unrealistic to train a decent pilot in six months, capable of both flying decently and operating weapons. And so it turned out in reality, since the arrival on the territory of Ukraine, the F-16s have not shown themselves in any way."
    Of course. The very fact of the quiet delivery of two dozen aircraft has not shown itself in any way. As well as their use of weapons. Maybe there is little information yet.
    Long ago, at one time, the Americans believed that the F-16 should be trained from scratch. Because it is very difficult to retrain traditional pilots to a right-hand joystick.
    The topic is generally interesting.
  13. -3
    10 January 2025 10: 33
    No one argues that the F-16 is quite good, but only in the NATO system and tactics. This option is not feasible in Banderland.
  14. +3
    10 January 2025 11: 55
    Mastering the F-16's advanced weapons systems is much more difficult and requires lengthy training

    What's so advanced and complex about it?
    The main thing is that your health allows you not to kick the bucket from overexertion.
    Well, they don’t write the flight mission for the missile directly during the battle in machine codes, taking into account 1000 and 1 parameters, including the location of the stars.
    It all comes down to setting the desired position, flipping switches and selecting a target.
    1. 0
      11 January 2025 21: 05
      It all comes down to setting the desired position, flipping switches and selecting a target.
      This is not enough! Here is a real example from the practice of mastering one Soviet fourth-generation fighter, when after the flight the pilot gave a verdict that the SCS did not work and he did not see any targets. However, the analysis of the SOC showed that the target was detected at the required range, and in each review cycle after that it was confirmed, the target was indicated on all indicators, as evidenced by the photographs of the FCP, and the pilot did not see the target!!! So clicking and choosing is not enough, being able to fly a fighter and being able to fight in a fighter are completely different things!
      1. 0
        Yesterday, 09: 00
        Quote: Hexenmeister
        but the pilot didn't see the target!!!

        Well, some people (also a real example) at work call the computer guy because “some LITTLE WINDOW POPPED OUT” (even though there is a message like “done” and an OK button). wassat
        But in general, 2 hours of poking the pilot's face in pictures showing where to look is fine. (Everything is fine with him except not noticing the sight) laughing
        It's harder to get a civilian to take a "Windows for idiots" course.
        1. 0
          Yesterday, 09: 21
          Do you think that the pilot was allowed to fly such flights without this "poking" at the pictures?
          1. 0
            Yesterday, 09: 21
            Quote: Hexenmeister
            Do you think that the pilot was allowed to fly such flights without this "poking" at the pictures?

            Well, you never know (they haven’t delivered it yet, or the pictures are from a different model). laughing
            Well, a banal "explain well" using swear words can also help you become more attentive. laughing
  15. +2
    10 January 2025 12: 59
    We have been training fighter pilots since the early 1900s.
    They started preparing them right after the Wright brothers lifted their plane into the air, in December 1903 or a little earlier? And if we take into account that the fighter plane appeared as a class during the First World War. And even then, the Italians can be considered the founders of this class.
    Caproni Ca.20 – the world's first fighter.... Aircraft designer Giovanni Battista Caproni built it in 1914, installing a Lewis gun, a powerful engine and a nose cone.
    How could they start training fighter pilots before the very concept of this existed?!! Especially since the Americans bought fighters in Europe during the First World War, they didn't have their own!!! laughing laughing laughing
  16. +1
    10 January 2025 13: 29
    The dancers were given battered versions of early series, they are good mainly as platforms for launching long-range air-to-surface missiles. That's what they were counting on. Well, also intercepting Kalibrs and Kh-101s. If they're lucky. When they accumulate about 30, they'll be able to create a salvo of 60 missiles, 20 percent of which will definitely hit us, so we need to hunt for that and do our best.
  17. +1
    10 January 2025 13: 32
    Mastering the F-16's advanced weapons systems is much more difficult and requires lengthy training

    They'll master it in a few years. And then they'll throw in the F-22.
  18. +1
    10 January 2025 13: 34
    Quote: TermNachTER
    No one argues that the F-16 is quite good, but only in the NATO system and tactics. This option is not feasible in Banderland.

    It is quite feasible over time.
  19. +3
    10 January 2025 13: 38
    and May 2025 in Kyiv may turn out to be very similar to May 1945 in Berlin

    Talking bullshit is not like carrying sacks.
  20. +1
    10 January 2025 13: 56
    F-16 as well as SU and MIGs could not resist air defense. Being a platform for weapons launched from an aircraft carrier somewhere over Kharkov or Samara towards the enemy is not an indicator.
  21. +2
    10 January 2025 15: 10
    With what pathos this professional speaks.
  22. +2
    10 January 2025 15: 10
    .. experience of flying low-tech Soviet fighters..

    It's high time to put such fantasies in the domestic press in quotation marks or add a note in brackets - "according to American mythology" :)
  23. +2
    10 January 2025 15: 45
    Retired US Air Force Colonel Alex Mahon told 19FortyFive that while basic flight operations are relatively simple, mastering the F-16's advanced weapons systems is much more complex and requires extensive training.

    Reminded:
    Warfare is simple and quite accessible to the sound mind of man. But it’s difficult to fight.
    © Clausewitz
  24. +3
    10 January 2025 15: 54
    The colonel has an interesting list of aircraft. As an Air Force pilot, he managed to fly two types of aircraft that were originally designed for the Navy but were also adopted by the Air Force - the F-4C fighter and the A-7D attack aircraft.
  25. +1
    10 January 2025 20: 02
    In short, everything is clear with the F16, it turned out to be the wrong system. And what about it? That's right, the Minuteman III missile. Give us about five hundred to start with, and rent them from our bases, we'll use them, then we'll ask for another 500, and we'll use them. If you're afraid of the Russian response, don't be afraid, as long as their billions are with you, there won't be any response, even if half the country is turned to dust in our name. And they will give it, because what urine did on Russian territory would have caused an unambiguous reaction in any other country in the world - there's no Kyiv, no Lvov, no other cities. But for some reason they still exist...
    1. 0
      11 January 2025 00: 39
      Wow, how colorfully Israel razed Tehran to the ground after a rocket-drone strike. Or maybe not?)
  26. 0
    10 January 2025 22: 04
    Budu moc rád, když válka skončí v květnu.
    1. +1
      10 January 2025 22: 06
      I will be very happy when the war ends in May.
  27. +1
    10 January 2025 22: 07
    The F-16s haven't shown themselves, the Javelins haven't shown themselves, the Patriots, Leopards, Bradleys haven't shown themselves. But it's been going on for almost three years now and there's no end in sight.
    1. +1
      11 January 2025 04: 15
      Since the Iran-Iraq standoff, there have been no wars with equal forces. Everything was aimed at beating up the recalcitrant. An aircraft carrier can't be sunk? Has anyone really tried that? Even guys in slippers can do it if they have the right weapons.
  28. +2
    10 January 2025 23: 44
    The Ukrainian Air Force has received at least two dozen aircraft so far, but it may need more time to properly train pilots to fly aircraft that are significantly different from the Soviet fighters Ukrainian pilots flew.

    The author is somehow inconsistent in his reasoning. On the one hand, it was easy for him to switch to more high-tech American military-industrial complex machines because the automation there did what the brave American pilot used to do with his own brain and hands. And then he writes that Ukrainian pilots cannot switch to new (for them) American machines because they previously flew "primitive" Soviet planes. So, according to the author's idea, they should, on the contrary, learn to fly on 16s faster. Is it really true that the Soviet machines were no worse, or even better, than the old F16s? xD
  29. 0
    11 January 2025 05: 23
    Well, from the point of view of training of flight personnel, comparison with the Ukrainian one is not quite correct. In the former, the most experienced people were sitting at the controls. And at the controls of the newest and modernized fighters of their own - all sorts of Me 163, 262, Ta 152. And in the case of the latter - here, yes, free planes and the zeal to win on the principle of haste like a naked man on a f..l.u.
  30. 0
    11 January 2025 11: 07
    We need to sell the Maus to the Ukrainians. It's also a superweapon! We just need to squeeze more money out of them, or more precisely, out of the Americans.
  31. 0
    11 January 2025 13: 27
    Obviously, NATO pilots are at the controls of the F16. And all the failures should be blamed on the savages.