Buggy vs. UAV: ​​New Variant of Special Combat Vehicle

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Buggy vs. UAV: ​​New Variant of Special Combat Vehicle
Two crews move into position


During the Special Operation, Russian army units use various means of combating enemy unmanned aerial vehicles. Recently, the Ministry of Defense presented a new development of this kind - a specialized combat vehicle for combating UAVs. Several devices for intercepting complex air targets are placed on one light platform.



Equipment at the front


On December 25, the Ministry of Defense published a short video about the combat work of one of the anti-aircraft missile divisions of the "South" group. The division is equipped with "Buk" systems and is responsible for covering military units. For self-defense, it has a specialized counter-UAV group.

The counteraction group has special equipment and weapons that correspond to the specifics of the tasks performed. Its fighters use light buggies with high mobility characteristics. The vehicles are equipped with original weapons systems that demonstrate high efficiency in combating small air targets.

The video from the Ministry of Defense shows how a counteraction group in two buggies moves to a firing position to cover the SAM. Then the combat crews begin monitoring the airspace and searching for targets.


Upon detection drone enemy vehicles open fire with everything they have weaponsMeasures are also taken to camouflage their position with smoke.

Having completed the assigned task, the UAV counteraction group quickly leaves the firing position. It will probably have to make a short march and continue combat operations in another location. An air target could have been intercepted there, too, but it was not captured on camera.

The press service of the Ministry of Defense points out the advantages of the combat vehicles shown. They are built on a popular platform and have high driving characteristics. In addition, a modern weapons system is used, providing a high density of fire. In total, all this allows for high efficiency at the firing position.

Specialized complex


The Defense Ministry does not disclose all the features of the new "anti-drone" combat vehicles, but its report allows us to see their various features and draw initial conclusions. In general, we are talking about an interesting way of combining ready-made means and components to achieve the desired results.


The UAV countermeasure vehicle is based on a buggy of one of the latest domestic models. In turn, such a platform is based on the VAZ-2121 Niva. This approach simplifies the production of the buggy and its modifications, and also allows for high technical and operational characteristics.

The buggy has a four-wheel chassis, on top of which an open body with a safety frame is installed. Instead of a windshield and roof, grilles are used, providing protection from some threats. The car has a two-seater cabin for the driver and operator, as well as an open aft platform.

To combat UAVs, the buggy receives several additional means. Thus, in front of the cabin, a stand with a multi-barrel shooting device is mounted. The aft platform is given over to a rotating turret with machine guns. Smoke grenade launchers are placed on the hood and in the aft part of the body.

Of great interest is the bow "firing installation". This is a package of 24 barrels (3 horizontal rows of 8 pieces) of unknown caliber, designed for shooting shot or buckshot. The package is mounted on a mobile installation with horizontal and vertical aiming drives. Aiming and fire control is remote, from the operator's seat.


Close-up of the weapons

The aft turret is made in the form of a rotating device with electric drives and a place for the operator-gunner. The turret contains a frame installation with mounts for six AK-12 assault rifles. Aiming and firing from the assault rifles are carried out synchronously using the appropriate mechanisms.

The combat characteristics of the firearms are only partially understood. It is known that the AK-12 assault rifle has a rate of fire of 700 rounds/min. Thus, a "battery" of six assault rifles has a technical rate of fire of 4,2 thousand rounds/min. However, the actual fire performance is limited by the need to replace magazines. The aiming range of the assault rifle is at least 500 m.

The parameters of the multi-barrel "grape shot" are unknown. Its design and controls, in theory, allow for a high rate of fire. At the same time, in terms of effective fire range, this product should be inferior to machine guns.

It can be assumed that there are some electronic warfare systems on board the anti-drone vehicle. The crew must have a radio station for communication and receiving target designation. It is also possible that an electronic reconnaissance station-UAV detector is used. The vehicles from the Defense Ministry report do not have their own electronic warfare systems.


Shooting at a target

Simplicity and efficiency


It is unknown how long ago the new combat vehicle for countering UAVs was created. There is also no approximate data on the production of such equipment, the rate of deliveries, its presence in the troops, etc. Nevertheless, it can be assumed that the Russian army already has some amount of such equipment and is actively using it in the area of ​​the Special Operation.

Apparently, the anti-UAV buggies show good results. Indirect evidence of this is the demonstration of their use on official resources. In general, it is not difficult to understand why such machines cope with the tasks set and are useful for the army.

First of all, it is worth noting the choice of the base for the special vehicle. A buggy car is used, created on the basis of the Niva units. It has a simple design, is easy to manufacture and repair, and at the same time shows fairly high mobility and cross-country performance. The dimensions and load capacity of such a platform made it possible to place two firing units at once.

The anti-drone buggy has combined small arms: 6 machine guns and a 24-barrel "buckshot". These products provide a high density of fire, but have different effective firing ranges. With their help, the vehicle crew can attack two different targets simultaneously. They can also be used as two echelons of defense. In this case, the machine guns are used against targets at distances of hundreds of meters, and the smoothbore system becomes a means of close range.


An interesting feature of the weapons system, which is essentially improvised, is the use of remote control. Thus, the multi-barrel "grape shot" is controlled by the operator from his control panel, and the work of the second shooter is simplified by electric drives. Perhaps there are other devices on board that simplify the work of the crew.

Important direction


Overall, the new combat vehicle for combating UAVs is an interesting and effective solution to a pressing problem, based on available devices and components. Similar equipment is apparently already being mass-produced and is being used by the troops. It can be expected that the assembly of such buggies will continue and will strengthen Defense different divisions and units.

It is obvious that the army will not refuse a successful model of equipment, made on the basis of a correct and logical concept. It is quite possible that buggies based on the Niva with machine guns and grapeshots will continue to enter the troops. In addition, we should expect the appearance of new models with a similar composition of units and weapons, having similar capabilities.
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  1. +2
    10 January 2025 04: 30
    The machine has a place to be. But how to fight on this cart with a drone that is in a strictly vertical position, on the edge of the limit of human vision due to its small size. The question arises, what about the frequencies? The fight is not successful.
  2. BAI
    +7
    10 January 2025 06: 15
    Installation with mounts for six AK-12 assault rifles.

    New - well forgotten old
    1. -1
      10 January 2025 07: 58
      New - well forgotten old

      Yes, it would be nice to use the PPSh instead of the AK-12, although the sighting range is 200 meters, you can shoot at 400, the cartridge has enough energy. But the rate of fire is one and a half times higher. And I think there are still enough of these PPSh in warehouses...
      1. -3
        10 January 2025 10: 22
        They were disposed of back in the 80s...
  3. +3
    10 January 2025 06: 16
    Look for ways to solve an obvious problem... here we should not engage in homemade work, but carry out serious design work.
    As for the Niva, of course, the chassis is working, although overloading it is also a bad decision... and what are the means of defeating enemy drones, where are the means of detection?
    In general, it's not great yet... just for now, let's hope. soldier
    1. 0
      10 January 2025 07: 49
      As for the Niva, of course, the chassis works, although overloading it is also a bad decision...

      Basayev didn't think so...
      In the spring and summer of 96, a wave of thefts of white Nivas swept through the southern regions, and in August, Basayev broke into Grozny in these Nivas with the rear doors removed (like machine gun carts) and blocked the checkpoints... as a result, we received the Khasavyurt agreement... the white color was like an identification mark of friend or foe...

      You can also use a serial Niva with minor modifications...while these buggies are being assembled on the knee, and such equipment is needed yesterday
      1. 0
        10 January 2025 08: 32
        The "life" of any equipment in the ZBD is not long, but shortening it with unnecessary alterations is not a tricky matter, but it is not useful.
      2. +2
        10 January 2025 18: 01
        There are guys in the Russian Federation who make buggies based on the Niva and sell them. Even bloggers bought one - just the frame, the rest they put in their own. Someone even made a video about the production, I don't remember who. If you scour YouTube, you can find a lot of small-scale (and even more than 100 units per year) production. But we simply don't let such people enter the market. More precisely, for government agencies. If even for Gazprom, an entire plant was blocked for the supply of products to replace imported ones. I accidentally came across a plant in Orenburg recently. For those who don't understand - Gazprom is partly controlled by the state. And those who are against the state, but have a stake in it, are the ones who put in the sticks. We have a lot of leeches living on the budget.
        1. 0
          10 January 2025 19: 59
          Even bloggers bought one

          Top recommendation!
          1. 0
            10 January 2025 23: 58
            What the hell is this recommendation?! Some people just bought it, others showed it to me. I don't advertise or sell this equipment here. Even in my area they are slowly making buggies and karts for racing enthusiasts. You try to find a three-cylinder engine with a VAZ piston - there is an engine and there is a patent for it. The problem is that few people know about it. It is easier to install a Chinese engine on quads, which costs the same as a ZMZ-409 engine, and weighs 4 times less. You should shit on everything and everyone here.
    2. +1
      11 January 2025 09: 09
      Here we should not engage in homemade work, but carry out serious design work.
      Let me correct you: not only homemade ones.
      Designers cannot always immediately find the direction in which to design.
      As an example - Lebedenko's "Tsar Tank": could you say with zero experience that it wouldn't fly?
      6 AKs instead of one Gatling gun - that's one line of thought.
      At the moment, no one will say what range and what armor penetration is needed, and this is the choice of ammunition: now even 12GA with 0000 pellets is quite good (IMHO)
      1. +1
        11 January 2025 09: 34
        It is clear that "folk art" sometimes shows interesting, useful and necessary results...
        I wrote that a monument can/should be erected to the person who creates/proposes an effective weapon/system to counter drones.
  4. +11
    10 January 2025 06: 57
    Just recently, VO mocked the anti-drone turret from the AK, which was shown in Belarus. But the same turret in Russia is pride and achievement.
    1. +11
      10 January 2025 09: 56
      It's not pride, don't worry.
      The same nonsense
      The target search is purely visual, the gun is aimed manually, using the shooter's hands.
      Shooting on the move is impossible, shooting at a moving target is purely a matter of luck (all corrections for lead and elevation are entered by the gunner's brain and executed by his hands)
      How is this different from six machine gunners sitting in the back of a Ural truck? In that the crew is smaller, but the reload time is longer?
      And if you put 6 fighters in the back of a truck instead of 12??? Does the air defense power immediately double??
      This is all due to the lack of normal means of combating drones. Crafts of front-line Kulibins, from what is available
      But unfortunately this won't help.
      1. -1
        10 January 2025 18: 07
        Well, in terms of the number of fighters, the aiming capabilities are greater, but everyone has a different skill. And everything that shoots will help. It is not for us to discuss efficiency here. If something is invented and used, then it helps.
  5. +1
    10 January 2025 07: 38
    The parameters of the multi-barreled "canister gun" are unknown

    Interesting ammunition is already being produced? Since the caliber is not less than 4th, somewhere 23 in millimeters, respectively, if the buckshot is used as for the 12th caliber 6 mm, then in the cartridge of this karamultuk there are not less than 30 buckshots, a serious tool - more than 700 striking elements in a salvo
    1. -1
      10 January 2025 08: 15
      Perhaps this is a barrel from a 30mm aircraft cannon and it has a 30mm 9-A-1611 cartridge with a multi-element projectile with fluoroplastic belts
    2. 0
      10 January 2025 11: 14
      Quote: Konnick
      I wonder if the ammunition is already being produced?

      In May of last year, they began producing the Perekhvat cartridge, and in June, they sent the first batch to the troops for military testing.
      1. 0
        10 January 2025 13: 18
        In May last year, they began producing the Perekhvat cartridge.

        This is a regular 12 gauge, but this devil machine has much larger barrels.
    3. +1
      10 January 2025 12: 27
      Unless the paper cartridge designed for 56 grams of shot bursts during firing or swells so much that you have to knock it out of the chamber with a ramrod. Easy.
      1. 0
        11 January 2025 09: 17
        If only the folder cartridge is designed for 56 grams of shot
        Firstly, this dinosaur needs to be found alive, and secondly, there have never been any paper cartridges for 56 grams of shot!
        1. 0
          11 January 2025 10: 56
          So are they hard to find or did they not exist at all? 4 caliber = 23mm cartridges are KS-23 and a signal flare in paper cartridges.
  6. +1
    10 January 2025 08: 03
    As far as I understand, Khibiny and Pantsir can't cope?
    1. +2
      10 January 2025 08: 17
      As far as I understand, Khibiny and Pantsir can't cope?

      They themselves need to be protected, you can't get them close to the LBS, and the radar can't always detect them...only visual contact is required
    2. AMG
      +1
      10 January 2025 16: 32
      There are not enough "Pantsirs" for everyone, if even the simpler "Tunguskas" were produced about 600 pieces (while "Shilkas" - 3500 pieces). The presented "tachanka" can be a temporary solution, if the block of machine guns were replaced with a multi-barrel machine gun like the YakB-12,7.
      1. -1
        10 January 2025 18: 16
        Why does a drone need 12,7 mm?! You can also whip up a 5,45 minigun here. The barrel is for a range that only those on the front lines know. Again, the rate of fire is not really needed - the main thing here is aiming.
        1. AMG
          0
          10 January 2025 21: 04
          Now detection is probably the most important thing, and then the range of destruction. Larger caliber - greater range.
          1. -1
            11 January 2025 00: 06
            Only the size of the bullet-projectile-rocket as well as the price cannot be compared with a drone. To hit flies with a log? Or sparrows?! I came across an article here about hand-held guns with almost a kilogram of shot - the height at which birds were shot down with this barrel was not indicated there, but I would like to see. There the barrel is more than 2 meters. Caliber and rate of fire are also on different sides when solving such problems. It seems that shrapnel shells are really needed. I wonder if grenade launchers like AGS-17 can be equipped with such grenades?!
            1. 0
              11 January 2025 11: 07
              Then compare the cost of a bullet and the cost of a bulletproof vest.
              Any buckshot doesn't fly further than 800 meters. Even from a tank gun shooting tungsten. Stupidly because it's a ball. Bad aerodynamic shape. Shrapnel is an expensive projectile in general, in addition, there is no point in shooting it from guns with a low initial projectile velocity. Attach a programmable remote fuse to shrapnel instead of just a remote one, replace the explosive powder and you get AHEAD. And it can be fired from either guns or a grenade launcher.
              1. 0
                11 January 2025 20: 38
                Returning to the beginning of the discussion thread - 12,7 mm bullets into a target half a meter in diameter - is this really necessary?! Especially since the target essentially looks like a grid - not a solid body. A bullet and a bulletproof vest - at a cost?! Then you need to count the number of shots to hit. The same as for a drone. Look up the amount of ammunition consumed in World War I and World War II for one target. Now the difference is probably many times greater. And at a distance of more than 1 meters, it is already a problem to see a drone. In fact, they shoot at drones closer.
                1. 0
                  11 January 2025 21: 07
                  I don't need to look up the ammo consumption to kill one person. Wearing a bulletproof vest doesn't affect the hit probability. You can only be killed once. An unshot fpv can destroy a tank at almost a yard or even more if the scout was missed. And he aimed artillery at the concentration area or something.

                  The 12,7 mm heavy machine gun has the advantage of having a greater vertical reach, a vicious MDZ bullet with an instant fuse, and somewhere else we had a two-bullet cartridge in service. But we didn't seem to have a minigun.
                  1. 0
                    11 January 2025 21: 44
                    How do you imagine an anti-aircraft machine gun on a tank with a barbecue?! And who will look for that drone in the sky and shoot it down?! We only had six-barreled 30 mm guns. 12,7 four-barreled ones were few. The rest were only separate mechanisms. Installations started with 4 Maxim machine guns. Ruff from PPSh on an airplane. There is something similar in the article about AK. A shipboard version of 6-barreled 30 mm would be installed on a tank. But there you need to have some water cooling. Shilkas and Pantsirs - there is a large dispersion for a small target like a drone. In terms of height, again - it is a problem to see a half-meter target from below. What is the point of the firing range.
  7. +2
    10 January 2025 08: 59
    It has a simple design, is easy to manufacture and repair, and at the same time demonstrates fairly high mobility and cross-country ability.
    - but the price has not been announced, and there may be questions about the simplicity....
    In terms of armament, looking at the photo, I remember a one-and-a-half-ton truck with a quadruple Maxim in the back on a turret... So why bother with six machine guns in a block? Let's take a UAZ Hunter, remove the roof, the rear seats too, and install a turret with two or three company machine guns.
    1. +2
      10 January 2025 13: 05
      What other price? A couple of Kulibins cobbled it together on their knees from what they had. The Ministry of Defense heroically reported
      1. -1
        10 January 2025 13: 31
        This cart will cost no less than one and a half million from the factory, and most likely the price will jump over two million...
        1. +2
          10 January 2025 13: 36
          This cart was most likely driven by volunteers, perhaps it was someone's donated, Kalashnikovs from a warehouse. I wish the team from Frunzenskaya would donate their SUVs and move to Nivas...
  8. +4
    10 January 2025 09: 27
    Here it is necessary to quote a person who understands modern weapons: "Putin: The Russian Armed Forces in the SVO zone are 85-90 percent equipped with modern weapons. ... "The units being formed are being equipped with modern weapons and equipment, some are already 85-90% equipped," RIA Novosti quotes the Russian leader as saying."
    https://rg.ru/2023/09/16/putin-vs-rf-v-zone-svo-na-85-90-procentov-ukomplektovany-sovremennym-oruzhiem.html

    Belousov A.R.: "Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov named four conditions for success in an armed confrontation with Western countries. He made the corresponding statement during the opening ceremony of the international military-technical forum "Army-2024".
    "The first is to provide the troops with the most modern weapons. Above all, high-precision weapons. The second is to use new tactical methods of conducting combat operations. Including the use of unmanned systems and robotic systems," he said (quoted by TASS).
    As the third condition, Belousov named the creation of an effective management system using an advanced technological basis, including artificial intelligence. The last condition is the constant improvement of military personnel training, primarily the command staff. The Minister of Defense concluded that only a comprehensive approach will provide a "full advantage over the enemy."

    https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2024/08/12/1055218-belousov-nazval?from=copy_text

    How good that the article is about all this!
    1. 0
      10 January 2025 13: 09
      Here's another one for you, May 2022
      According to Yu. Borisov, on the eve of the performance, another test of the new laser complex took place. The product worked on an air target in the form of an unnamed UAV. The complex aimed a laser beam at the target and held it for 5 seconds. This was enough to burn the target. The distance to the air target was 5 km.
      On the sidelines of the marathon, the Deputy Prime Minister gave new details. So, the new product is called "Zadira". It is already in production, and the first copies have been handed over to the troops. Moreover, such equipment is already being used during the Special Military Operation in Ukraine. Also, Yu. Borisov noted the fundamental possibility of further development of the complex with an increase in the range.
      https://topwar.ru/196575-novye-gorizonty-vooruzhenija-lazernyj-kompleks-zadira.html
  9. +1
    10 January 2025 09: 43
    It is no secret that drones can now attack from human height and below. Judging by the footage provided, these machines may be defenseless against such an attack. The barrels need to be tilted downwards - at least for the canister. If the rear turret has this capability, it will not be able to protect against low-flying drones from the front.
  10. +7
    10 January 2025 09: 55
    But a year or two ago our media were laughing hysterically at similar Ukrainian cars.
  11. -3
    10 January 2025 10: 08
    It seems to me that fighting small drones with small arms is a step in the wrong direction. It is too difficult to hit due to the small size of the target and its high speed of movement (angular displacement).
    I suggest using a bright light (or laser)
    The Jews have a system on their tanks to combat ATGMs, which automatically detects the irradiation of equipment (when an ATGM missile is guided by a laser beam) and automatically emits a powerful light beam in that direction. The ATGM operator who looks at the tank loses an eye and is put out of action.
    This is what needs to be used. All small drones have a simple vulnerable video camera that transmits the image online. If it is blinded, the drone is out of the fight for some time. And if it is damaged/burned, the drone is no longer dangerous.
    1. 0
      10 January 2025 12: 25
      Of course, to combat UAVs, it would be optimal to use mobile laser installations of 30-50 kW, which many countries now have, but unfortunately not us. We are still a long way from that.
  12. 0
    10 January 2025 10: 32
    It is not entirely clear - why AK, why not PK (PKT) on a common carriage? The PKT also has an electric trigger. And of course, a pair of GShG would be better.
    It is clear that the operator must have an optical detection and guidance device, as well as an acoustic sensor, and a stabilizer would not hurt either.
    But this is of course fantasy in our conditions. Everything is going according to plan for us - AI will appear soon and everything will be fine.
    the same situation is in the navy, striped maniacs are installing useless MPTU-14,5 on new ships.
    And so yes, everything has already been thought up a long time ago.
    1. +1
      10 January 2025 11: 21
      Quote: Dozorny_ severa
      It is not entirely clear - why AK, why not PK (PKT) on a common gun carriage?

      Apparently, because the PK is heavy, and a rifle cartridge is excessive for a UAV. The task of a multi-barrel gun is to saturate the area of ​​possible UAV location with striking elements. And the more of them, the better. But at the same time, the mass of the installation should provide a high speed of the GN and VN with manual drive, and the recoil should not break the design of the gun carriage and the machine. The effective firing range is also limited - the targets are small, detection is visual and acoustic, the sight is mechanical (that's why it's a multi-barrel gun - they do not hit precisely, but in the direction, hitting the UAV due to statistics).

      The ideal solution would be a multi-barreled Blum machine gun chambered for .22LR. smile
      1. 0
        10 January 2025 13: 26
        Apparently, because the PC is heavy, and a rifle cartridge is excessive for a UAV.
        - warehouses should be full of RPD in commercial quantities under 7.62x39...
        1. -1
          10 January 2025 15: 33
          Quote: faiver
          - warehouses should be full of RPD in commercial quantities under 7.62x39...

          The only plus is the tape. The minuses are the weight and recoil.
          This multi-barreled gun needs to shoot a lot and at close range, and quickly transfer fire (you remember what circles FPVs make around targets).
          1. 0
            10 January 2025 15: 48
            The downsides are weight and recoil.
            - on a machine/turret it’s not critical
            This multi-barreled gun needs to shoot a lot and at close range, and quickly transfer fire
            - six AK-12s in a block will cope with this better? - doubtful
            1. 0
              Today, 15: 29
              Quote: faiver
              - on a machine/turret it’s not critical

              For a turret with a manual "arm and shoulder" drive, mounted on a civilian vehicle, this is critical.
              This is not a truck-mounted M4 machine gun.
    2. +2
      10 January 2025 12: 13
      It’s not entirely clear—why AK, why not PK (PKT) on a common gun carriage?

      Most likely, these machine guns are not enough even in the units fighting in the trenches. It is not for nothing that ancient North Korean machine guns have appeared in videos about the SVO. Maxims should be mounted like Banderovites, what is there to be ashamed of.
      1. 0
        10 January 2025 12: 22
        PKT should be enough, they were installed on almost all armored vehicles of the USSR, starting in the 60s.
      2. 0
        10 January 2025 15: 34
        Quote: wladimirjankov
        Most likely, these machine guns are not enough even in the units fighting in the trenches.

        Yeah... AK-12 is enough, but PK is not enough. smile
        1. +1
          10 January 2025 17: 31
          Well, the anti-aircraft gunners were given a couple of boxes of AK-12s, but they rarely have to shoot back, so they adapted them. Then someone reloads a bunch of magazines, which are instantly fired off.
          1. 0
            10 January 2025 17: 46
            this is not the most interesting thing - imagine the picture of these Kalashnikovs reloading during a battle
            1. +1
              10 January 2025 18: 00
              I think the Poles who made the reload animations in "Cyberpunk 2077" will be jealous!
            2. +1
              10 January 2025 21: 45
              That's not all!
              Before reloading, you still need to use up these cartridges.
              Now imagine getting these machine guns ready to fire (remove each one from the safety catch, load a cartridge into the chamber). After all, you won't be riding around with loaded machine guns.
  13. Des
    +5
    10 January 2025 11: 13
    This is all not from the mind.
    We are learning from the enemy. They have everything earlier - millions of drones, and machine gun carts.
    Both have already been ridiculed here many times. Now we are implementing them ourselves.
  14. +1
    10 January 2025 12: 08
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Apparently, because the PC is heavy, and a rifle cartridge is excessive for a UAV.

    What does redundancy have to do with it? Drones come in different forms - there are Baba Yaga and airplane-type ones.
    What is the practical rate of fire of Kalashnikovs? How long does it take to reload? And the ammunition? Rate of fire?
    1. 0
      10 January 2025 15: 37
      Quote: Dozorny_ severa
      What does redundancy have to do with it? Drones come in different forms - there are Baba Yaga and airplane-type ones.

      Even a regular PC can work on Baba Yaga. These multi-barrel monsters are against FPV, which fly fast, actively maneuver, have small dimensions and no protection.
      1. 0
        10 January 2025 15: 56
        a regular PC can work
        - so the usual PC is on a rifle cartridge....
        1. 0
          Today, 15: 32
          Quote: faiver
          - so the usual PC is on a rifle cartridge....

          Well, yes. For a monster like "Baba Yaga" - just right.
          But against FPV with PG-7, a single machine gun is redundant, there it is more likely necessary to compensate for errors in targeting a maneuvering target with the density of fire, so the more barrels and more bullets, the better.
  15. +2
    10 January 2025 12: 50
    Our answer to AHEAD and other obscenities of Air Burst Munition. The persistent tendency to fight as a "man with a rifle".
  16. +2
    10 January 2025 14: 10
    My God, "Mad Max on a minimum wage"... Although it's not a movie. The beginning of the appearance of "Cavalry Regiments" belay
    1. +4
      10 January 2025 15: 55
      Why not. Everything new is well forgotten old.
      1. 0
        10 January 2025 16: 11
        the camel is probably deaf...
  17. +5
    10 January 2025 14: 50
    By praising such home-made "garage"-level crafts, our Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex once again demonstrate the inertia of the "big" bosses responsible for arming the RA and their complete indifference to the lives of fighters. But there is no need to invent anything, back in 2018, Belarus demonstrated the Berserk robotic fire complex specifically for combating UAVs. It is armed with two GShG-7,62, the total rate of fire is from 400 to 6000 rounds per minute, the firing range is up to 1000 meters. And most importantly, the Berserk is equipped with a four-channel optical-electronic station "Chizh" of Belarusian design. Using video and thermal imaging channels with a wide field of view, the target is searched for, and with a narrow vision, the detected object is captured and tracked. The detection range of a target such as a helicopter is about ten kilometers, and a small-sized unmanned aerial vehicle of the aircraft or helicopter type is up to two kilometers. If you do not bother with the robot - chassis, just take and install it on any chassis.
    1. -1
      10 January 2025 16: 06
      How many of these Berserkers did Belarus produce?
      Are you sure the inside of the guidance system is not imported?
      1. +2
        10 January 2025 17: 39
        Frankly speaking, I don't know how many Belarus produced and from what components. Probably, this is not the most important thing for us. But the most important thing is that we also have exactly the same optical-electronic sighting systems that see perfectly both day and night (from our components), even at exhibitions they demonstrated ZU-23-2 with such, they have been installed on helicopters since who knows when. But it seems that no one is going to order them for battlefield air defense and, accordingly, produce them. Apparently, soldiers' lives are cheaper.
        1. -1
          10 January 2025 17: 58
          you don't know, and I don't know, and you say that we have all this in abundance, but I doubt it...
          1. +2
            10 January 2025 18: 13
            I didn't say that we have plenty of it. But, the basis of these optical-electronic sighting systems are digital and thermal imaging sights, all somehow connected with hunting, I won't let you lie - over the past two years, a lot of domestic digital and thermal imaging sights have appeared on our market of goods for hunting. And on domestic attack helicopters, domestic sighting systems with a digital and thermal imager have been installed since the times long before the SVO (I think you yourself have seen shooting from such sights in the news more than once). Take it, combine it with any barrel mount, install it on any of the existing chassis - that's it, a ready-made solution for covering the sky from UAVs.
            1. 0
              10 January 2025 21: 43
              There are also radars there, which, if they are capable of mapping the earth's surface, will definitely notice the drone.
  18. 0
    10 January 2025 14: 57
    From AK to UAV it's complete crap!
    A card-box - yes, that's the thing, but a machine gun is empty!
    In general, we need multi-charge shotguns with a feed of cartridges from a magazine. That's when it will be useful.
    And we need as much of this simple and cheap weapon as possible.
    1. +2
      10 January 2025 15: 43
      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      In general, we need multi-charge shotguns with a feed of cartridges from a magazine. That's when it will be useful.

      There is a special carbine 18,5 KS-K (formerly "Saiga-12S"). It was adopted by the Ministry of Internal Affairs back in 2006.
    2. +2
      10 January 2025 16: 09
      a shotgun is a weapon of last resort, shooting further than 50 meters is already at the level of shamanic dances
  19. 0
    10 January 2025 15: 56
    The idea is not bad, but the use of AK is a forced measure due to the lack of another. I predict that the use of GShG slightly modified for installation on an infantry object would be preferable. A few changes to the barrel convergence, power supply both electric and cartridges, anti-aircraft collimator + universal machine for the possibility of mounting on different objects and the most important means of detection - a drone detector kit and a sample radar designed to detect UAVs. Such samples are available.
  20. 0
    10 January 2025 20: 38
    And I remembered the centrifugal machine gun. Accuracy is not important here - it is important to keep the striking elements in the air. But when was that...
  21. 0
    10 January 2025 20: 47
    In the 80s, the South African company TFM Pty developed a "car rubber bullet thrower" for the police to disperse demonstrations, gatherings and meetings. On the roof of the police car there are two horizontal discs with grooves on the rims and a hopper with rubber balls. The discs are set in counter-rotation by the car engine. A 80-gram ball, finding itself between the rims of the discs, picks up speed up to 170 m/sec. Its energy is quite sufficient to produce the necessary "stopping" effect even at the maximum range - 1800 meters. Due to the difference in the rotation speeds of the discs, the ball is twisted to the left or right, and the direction of flight can change in the 170 sector (at a right angle to the left and right - due to the Flettner effect), without turning the throwing device itself. The rate of fire is XNUMX shots per minute.
  22. 0
    10 January 2025 21: 01
    "When an enemy drone is detected, the vehicles open fire with all available weapons. They also take measures to mask their position with smoke."

    Personal opinion... Smoke camouflage can quickly become a pointer to an anti-drone buggy. Those targeted by the SVO can learn too.

    And... Demonstration of military equipment capabilities demonstrates the capabilities of the demonstrators. And then the effectiveness is tested by the participants of the SVO, if they get this equipment.
  23. +2
    10 January 2025 21: 47
    In my opinion, the comrades from Yemen have come up with a much more successful design. BTR-152 and 30-mm AK-630
    1. +1
      11 January 2025 11: 49
      There is a recoil of 9 tons. The car will simply fly away.