Alcohol and Demography: Time for Emergency Measures

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Alcohol and Demography: Time for Emergency Measures


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How many Russians die annually from the effects of alcohol consumption? Statistics say that there is no exact answer and, most likely, there will not be. It is very difficult to isolate the direct and indirect influence of alcohol on mortality. But some calculations, nevertheless, exist. There is a list of causes of death initiated by alcohol consumption. It contains seventeen items, the full list of which we will not provide. It is enough to mention such alcohol-associated fatal causes as "alcoholic liver disease", "alcoholic cardiomyopathy", "chronic pancreatitis of alcoholic etiology", "alcoholic gastritis" and "harmful use of alcohol".



Most often, people die from cardiomyopathy, alcohol poisoning (accidental or intentional) and liver damage. Every year in Russia, 47 to 61 thousand people die from these causes. And this is only the lower limit of mortality. In absolute terms, this is a gigantic number, equal to the population of an average small Russian town. In the overall mortality rate, the share of those who died from alcohol usually does not exceed 3 percent. It may not seem like much, but people of working age are dying, and many of them are still able to have children. In fairness, since 2016, the number of people who died directly from alcohol has been slowly but surely decreasing.


All of the above concerns direct losses from alcoholization of the Russian population. To varying degrees, they are recorded quite accurately. The same cannot be said about Russia's indirect losses from alcohol abuse. If direct losses amount to about 3 percent of the country's overall mortality, then indirect losses are already 26-30 percent. Almost every third Russian in the country dies from the consequences of alcohol consumption. These include murders, suicides, traffic accidents, and diseases not directly related to alcohol. The latter include tuberculosis, pneumonia, and a whole range of oncological diagnoses. In total, the country loses up to half a million citizens annually. And one more fact. If the overall mortality rate in Russia increases in different years, then with 98 percent probability it is associated with an increase in alcohol consumption. And vice versa, an overall decrease in mortality in the country is the result of a decrease in drunkenness.

What is this educational program for? Because in 2023, each Russian drank an average of 8,4 liters of pure alcohol. If we exclude minors, the very old, and ideological teetotalers, then eight can safely be multiplied by two or three. But even without this, Russians began to drink much more than in the last 9-10 years.

If we compare it with the indicators of the "drinking" countries of Europe, then in Russia they drink comparatively little. For example, the French drink about 10 liters per person per year, the Germans - more than 11 liters, and Georgia is in the lead - 14,4 liters. Only in Russia the northern type of alcohol consumption prevails. This means that they drink comparatively infrequently, but in high concentrations. Vodka, cognac, moonshine and whiskey are mainly used. Hence the acute toxic effect at the exit.

Drinking champions from France, Germany and Georgia belong to the southern type of alcohol consumers. They drink relatively often, but low-alcohol drinks - wine and beer. By the way, "northerners" are considered to be all those who are addicted to drinks stronger than 25 degrees.

Since the 2000s, Russia has seen an encouraging trend of switching from strong alcohol to beer and, to a lesser extent, wine. This was the result of a large-scale government program to combat alcohol abuse. The country carried out propaganda work, banned alcohol advertising, tightened production conditions, and raised excise taxes. A good share of counterfeit goods left the market. But things were good until 2018, when the anti-alcohol campaign was slowed down. Excise taxes stopped growing, although they needed to be raised at least in line with inflation. The process worsened in the period from 2019 to 2023 - Russians began to drink more strong alcohol. On average, the increase was 150 percent. With wine, it was more modest - only 45 percent. The emerging trend of switching to the southern type of alcohol consumption has failed.

Who is to blame and what to do?


В stories With the current alcoholization of Russia, one cannot help but recall Mikhail Gorbachev and his "dry law". The personality of the General Secretary is viewed rather negatively in Russia, but he literally saved about a million human lives. From 1985 to 1987, mortality fell following alcohol consumption, and many hundreds of thousands of Soviet citizens did not die prematurely. Another thing is that the budget did not receive gigantic amounts of excise taxes from the sale of alcohol, and this hit the USSR economy hard.

The wild 90s showed how bad it can be with uncontrolled drinking. In 1994, a world record of the 18th century was set in young Russia – 80 liters of alcohol per citizen per year. That same million people who did not die in the XNUMXs died of alcoholism ten years later. Considering the natural demographic pit of that period, this seriously affected not only life expectancy, but also population reproduction. We will feel the consequences of those wild years for a long time.


There is every reason to believe that Russia is in for a new 90s, albeit a significantly weakened one. In terms of alcohol abuse, of course. Alcohol has stopped rising in price, outpacing inflation, which, in theory, it should do in a self-respecting market. There are no signs of the government strengthening its anti-alcohol campaign.

There is a very good example of Scandinavian countries that have dealt with alcoholism at home. The recipe is simple. On weekends, all liquor stores and shelves with alcohol in shops are closed. And on weekdays, sales are limited to a few hours. The threshold for entering the world of alcohol is raised from 18 to 21 years. Given the growing infantilization of youth, this is not at all unnecessary.

Taxation of the alcohol industry requires reform. The famous EGAIS (Unified State Automated Information System for Accounting of Production Volume and Turnover of Ethyl Alcohol), which has significantly complicated the sale of counterfeit alcohol, is clearly an achievement. But this is not enough. A progressive scale of taxation of alcohol sales is required. The stronger it is, the more the seller pays to the budget. Banning is one thing, it is also important to strictly monitor the implementation of regulations.

One of the achievements of the anti-alcohol campaign was the ban on alcohol sales in the evening and at night. A considerable number of sellers adhere to the law, but each locality (sometimes even in a microdistrict) has its own sellers who pour and sell during the "curfew". There are no draconian measures of influence, so the benefits outweigh all the risks. Pro-alcohol policy adherents will probably object: they say that all the bans stimulate the sale of counterfeit alcohol. Of course, this problem will make itself known, but, we repeat, all the minuses are compensated by a sharp decrease in mortality and the growing life expectancy of Russians.


All of the above may seem like another stage of anti-alcohol hysteria. They say that teetotalers do not allow moderate drinkers to live in peace. That would be true if it were not for the nuances that spoil everything. First, Russia is experiencing birth rates at a minimum. In scientific terms, the country is depopulating. An aggravating factor in this sad process is the alcohol burden on the population. Including those who are still of childbearing age. The second aggravating factor is the extremely low unemployment. Only at military-industrial complex facilities there is a shortage of about 300-400 thousand people. At the same time, almost half a million people die from alcohol in Russia every year. And it is mainly men of working age who die. Maybe it is time for the alcohol lobby in high circles to think about Russia's national security? The problem currently looks exactly like this.
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  1. + 32
    14 January 2025 04: 01
    It seems to me that the author “puts the horse behind the carriage”, that is, switches causes and effects.
    What is the reason that people start drinking seriously, "in the northern way"? It seems to me that the main reason is an attempt to escape from reality. And as for what Russians don’t like about the “environment”, let everyone think for themselves.
    And blaming alcohol for the fact that people don't want to bring children into a world where the children probably won't be happy is just disinformation. It's more likely that someone will have children while drunk, thoughtlessly.
    And in general, life is such a dangerous thing - a guaranteed fatal outcome, you know. request
    1. + 20
      14 January 2025 05: 12
      The process worsened between 2019 and 2023 – Russians began to drink more strong alcohol.
      Yes? What happened?
      1. + 12
        14 January 2025 05: 13
        And what happened?

        Have you seen a bright future?
        1. +3
          14 January 2025 06: 24
          I read something different. People really have started drinking less. The reason is banal - they don't raise drunkards at work anymore, they just fire them. And try to find a job now. But the drug addiction problem is in full swing. And the fight against dealers should be tough, even cruel. With the tribes of parasites - gypsies, Central Asians
          1. +4
            14 January 2025 07: 44
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            People really did start drinking less.
            The data from Rosalkogoltobakkontrol does not confirm this.

            https://tass.ru/ekonomika/20081505
            1. +2
              14 January 2025 09: 05
              I believe my eyes, not these offices. Compared to the 90s, there are fewer drunks on the street. But this is not the merit of the authorities (or is it still a merit), natural selection? Or is the fight against population bringing results?
              1. 0
                14 January 2025 11: 11
                Ah, I see. The comparison is with 2017 and beyond, if that matters.
          2. -1
            20 January 2025 07: 21
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            I read something a little different. People really have started drinking less.

            Can I move to your planet to live? I fully confirm the author's words - over the past 8 years, people have started drinking more and mostly young people from 15 to 35 years old.
            1. 0
              26 January 2025 08: 28
              Over the last 8 years, people have started drinking more, and mostly young people between 15 and 35 years old.

              In Ukraine?
              1. 0
                26 January 2025 08: 36
                Maybe in Ukraine too. I don't live there, so I can't say anything about it.
      2. + 20
        14 January 2025 08: 37
        the main reason is an attempt to escape from reality
        Exactly... Small scratches left by life can be treated with beer, deep wounds - only with vodka.
    2. + 12
      14 January 2025 06: 32
      Quote: Sunwenmin
      that is, it reverses causes and effects.

      The author propagandizes, and that says it all...

      A good share of counterfeit goods have left the market

      I just want to shout "Forward, to a bright future", but...
      If someone thinks that product licensing plus digitalization of the entire country will immediately bring order to our economy, then they are deeply mistaken. This conclusion can be drawn from the speech of the head of alcohol producers Igor Kosarev at the Federation Council. He reported that the illegal alcohol market is still thriving, accounting for 20-25% of the total turnover.

      Over seven years of relentless struggle against drunkenness and alcoholism (using the terms of Gorbachev's time), and in reality by identifying illegal alcohol, about 600 billion rubles have been returned to the country's budget. The result is impressive, but it is clearly too early to rest on our laurels. In Russia, 20-25% of the illegal turnover of strong alcoholic beverages still remains.


      In the 2000s, Russia saw an encouraging trend of switching from strong alcohol to beer

      And what positive does the author see in this? If vodka is a companion primarily of mature, stern men, then beer annually draws young people and the female half of the population into alcoholism. Beer alcoholism is no different from other alcoholism, but it is more dangerous, because beer is more affordable, and its quality leaves much to be desired. Nowadays, many bottles bear an "inconspicuous inscription" - beer drink. And what does this mean? Perhaps, what we have in front of us is simply diluted vodka with flavor enhancers... So I do not share the author's positive attitude.
      On weekends, all liquor stores and alcohol shelves in shops are closed. And on weekdays, sales are limited to a few hours. The threshold for entering the world of alcohol is raised from 18 to 21.

      All this is great, of course, but it will not solve the problem, and will also give impetus to the underground trade in surrogates. The reason for alcoholism is not availability, but the propaganda of a healthy lifestyle and the right attitude towards the future, which should make sense...
      1. +7
        14 January 2025 06: 54
        To be honest, I didn’t understand from the article what exactly the author was promoting.
        Ban everything? Change the government's attitude to excise revenues? Drink beer instead of vodka?
        The reason for alcoholism is not availability, but the promotion of a healthy lifestyle and the right attitude towards the future, which should make sense

        This phrase reminded me of either Chernomyrdin or Klitschko lol
        1. +2
          14 January 2025 07: 11
          The reason for alcoholism is not availability, but the promotion of a healthy lifestyle and the right attitude towards the future,

          The word "in the absence" of healthy lifestyle propaganda, etc. is missing. Thank you for your timely comment.
          The overwhelming majority of young people drink low-alcohol drinks and use electronic cigarettes and other gadgets. This will not lead to anything good for future generations. And the lack of alcohol on the shelves on weekends will not solve the problem either. We need powerful propaganda of a healthy lifestyle, family and healthy patriotism, which would be based on real actions of the state in these areas.
          1. +8
            14 January 2025 07: 35
            My opinion: the propaganda of a healthy lifestyle only irritates people - it contrasts too much with reality
            And now it’s cheaper to drink than to go skiing with the family.

            And with a message
            a future that has to make sense

            I completely agree.
            1. +3
              14 January 2025 08: 18
              Quote: Sunwenmin
              Healthy lifestyle propaganda only irritates people - it contrasts too much with reality

              Of course, I wrote it.
              which would be based on real actions of the state in these areas.
              , and not on empty slogans...
          2. +1
            14 January 2025 07: 50
            Quote: Doccor18
            Powerful propaganda of a healthy lifestyle is needed

            Health is, of course, a great blessing, but often (often) the desire for this very healthy lifestyle leads to an increase in all kinds of sinful passions.
            The Holy Fathers said that the health of the body opens the doors to many whims and sins.
            1. 0
              14 January 2025 07: 54
              That is, the benefit is double.
            2. +2
              14 January 2025 08: 20
              Quote: bober1982
              leads to the strengthening of all kinds of sinful passions.

              A dubious statement. Much closer to me is: "A healthy mind in a healthy body."
              1. +1
                14 January 2025 08: 37
                Quote: Doccor18
                "A healthy mind resides in a healthy body."

                This is a Latin winged expression of a Roman poet of the early centuries, taken out of the context of his verse and thus received an incorrect interpretation - the health of the body as a condition of spiritual health. The poet had a completely different idea.
                That is, it turns out to be a very dubious statement.
              2. 0
                14 January 2025 08: 58
                Quote: Doccor18
                A dubious statement. Much closer to me is: "A healthy mind in a healthy body."
                No offense, but there is a sequel " - a great rarity". Probably at least a controversial sequel, but there is one.
                1. +1
                  14 January 2025 09: 12
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  but there is a continuation "- a great rarity".

                  And I would believe you, but I can't, because I have enough examples of the opposite. In those same sports sections, I often had to communicate with young people who sharply disagreed with the other part of it, far from sports. 99% of young athletes have a goal in life, there is not a hint of infantilism and a craving for empty killing of time. Much, of course, depends on the surrounding environment, on society, but the trend is visible, no matter how you look at it.
                2. 0
                  14 January 2025 19: 16
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  No offense, but there is a sequel " - a great rarity". Probably at least a controversial sequel, but there is one.

                  You just quoted the Latin proverb IN FULL:))))) "A healthy mind in a healthy body" - this is its truncated version:)
                3. +1
                  15 January 2025 09: 48
                  I heard another continuation "-but usually one of two!"
            3. -7
              14 January 2025 08: 47
              I like the statement more
              Sobriety is not yet a virtue, but only the absence of vice (c)

              In fact, nothing can spoil us - we are either bad or good. Alcohol just exposes the wires.
          3. -3
            14 January 2025 08: 55
            Propaganda of a healthy lifestyle and the like is good when there are good products in stores and salaries for them, and not the surrogate that is currently lying on the shelf and which is the only thing available to the majority of the population. "Family and healthy patriotism" also somehow does not fit with what is happening around us now, no matter how much you propagate it.
          4. +2
            14 January 2025 13: 01
            Quote: Doccor18
            Powerful propaganda of a healthy lifestyle is needed

            And what's the use? If in the tower... and hereinafter.
            1. +3
              14 January 2025 14: 53
              Quote: Alexey RA
              And what's the use?

              There will always be some benefit, if only there is a desire...
              1. +2
                15 January 2025 04: 30
                Quote: Doccor18
                Quote: Alexey RA
                And what's the use?

                There will always be some benefit, if only there is a desire...

                And a plus to you for your position, and a plus to Alexey for reminding us of a funny, albeit somewhat destructive, song.
                1. +2
                  15 January 2025 08: 30
                  And a plus to you for being sociable. wink
      2. 0
        14 January 2025 08: 13
        Quote: Doccor18
        Beer alcoholism is no different from other types of alcoholism, but more dangerous

        Not true. Strong alcoholic drinks are much more dangerous. Those who drink vodka and strong alcoholic drinks are much more susceptible to alcoholism. Alcoholism always develops as the degree increases. If a beer drinker (or someone who drinks light wine) switches to vodka (and this always happens to alcoholics), then it's all over.
        1. +2
          14 January 2025 08: 42
          Quote: Stas157
          Not true. Strong alcoholic drinks are much more dangerous.

          Apparently, you know better, but... in narcological practice there is no division into different types of alcohol addiction - it is one. And if you mean the speed and degree of social degradation and physiological pathology, then it really does develop faster with excessive consumption of strong alcoholic beverages, but this does not mean at all that other alcoholic beverages do not have a detrimental effect on the body.
          1. 0
            14 January 2025 08: 44
            Quote: Doccor18
            Apparently you know better

            My wife is a doctor. She consults. What did you think?
            1. +2
              14 January 2025 08: 47
              Quote: Stas157
              My wife is a doctor. She consults.

              Expert in narcology?
              1. -1
                14 January 2025 08: 48
                Dentist. But knows not only about teeth. Are you a narcologist?
                1. +2
                  14 January 2025 08: 57
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Dentist.

                  Ah, I see. I am not a narcologist, but I know narcologists who do not share the general enthusiasm for the mass transition to beer and other low-alcohol drinks, which many drink almost daily...
              2. -2
                14 January 2025 08: 57
                Several of my people died from alcoholism. Two classmates. Father-in-law. Plus distant acquaintances. And all from vodka! If they had drunk good beer or light wine, they would have been alive.
                1. +2
                  14 January 2025 09: 02
                  Quote: Stas157
                  And all from vodka! If they drank good beer or light wine, they would be alive.

                  You may be right, but... where will the majority find "good beer" for sale? It is unavailable to most, just like quality wine. And what is bought is basically what is enough...
                  1. +2
                    14 January 2025 09: 06
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    where the majority will find "good beer" on sale

                    Moreover, from this year excise taxes on wine and beer are increasing. So that people drink less light quality drinks and more vodka and denatured alcohol!
                2. +1
                  14 January 2025 10: 10
                  In the Czech Republic, there was once a so-called "children's" beer, supposedly non-alcoholic, which resulted in a generation of beer alcoholics growing up.
                  1. 0
                    14 January 2025 10: 15
                    Quote: Andrey VOV
                    It seems to be non-alcoholic, but as a result a generation of beer alcoholics has grown up

                    From children's beer or something? No wonder I don't like non-alcoholic beer!
                    1. +2
                      14 January 2025 10: 28
                      Well, that's what they called it and gave it to children, like it has a lot of useful substances and so on... And so, non-alcoholic beer is the first step to a rubber woman
                  2. +1
                    14 January 2025 13: 09
                    In the Czech Republic, children are served something quite adult in pubs. But there, people just want to have a glass or two every night, it's not alcoholism, it's a norm of life for a Czech.
                3. +3
                  14 January 2025 15: 06
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Several of my people died from alcoholism. Two classmates. Father-in-law. Plus distant acquaintances. And all from vodka! If they had drunk good beer or light wine, they would have been alive.

                  Two thirds of my friends died. The reasons were different. But half of them died from alcohol. Among them were lovers of dry, good wine (place of residence Crimea, Sevastopol), ivasik, cognac and vodka. Yes ... Forgot an awl - Those who served in the navy will understand. So, it's all the same.
          2. -4
            14 January 2025 08: 56
            For example, are all French people complete alcoholics?
            1. -1
              14 January 2025 10: 04
              Quote from AdAstra
              For example, are all French people complete alcoholics?

              And the Czechs?
        2. +1
          14 January 2025 20: 01
          In my opinion, in the USSR there were statistics that only every tenth man becomes an alcoholic; I don’t remember the number of women, either 3 or 4.
    3. +9
      14 January 2025 07: 35
      Quote: Sunwenmin
      What is the reason that people start drinking seriously, "in the northern way"? It seems to me that the main reason is an attempt to escape from reality.

      Drink here again, fight and cry
      To the harmonics yellow sadness.
      Curse your failures
      They recall Moscow Russia.
      And I myself, head down,
      I fill my eyes with wine
      So as not to see the fatal in the face,
      To think at least a moment about something else.

      It's not just about vodka, and it would be better to drink it than diluted beer and smoking all sorts of crap, including vapor with various additives.
    4. +8
      14 January 2025 11: 37
      Quote: Sunwenmin
      And in general, life is such a dangerous thing - a guaranteed fatal outcome, you know.

      Let me correct you a little - "Life is a chronic, severe disease, sexually transmitted and guaranteed to end in death."
      1. +1
        14 January 2025 11: 41
        Yes, yes, since it is transmitted sexually, it is the most severe venereal disease. laughing
    5. +1
      14 January 2025 17: 28
      The author is completely out of the loop. He hopes to gain favor with loud nonsense and is a cancer chaser for a kamen.
    6. +5
      14 January 2025 19: 54
      Under I.V. Stalin, people drank and smoked everywhere (watch old movies), there was no cancer, no heart attacks, no nastiness, and there were many times more children. But now you have to not drink, not smoke, not eat, otherwise you might die without working, only work for the benefit of the bourgeoisie and their lackeys, preferably for free. Normal. Isn't it? I won't even mention the children. But the only difference is in life. In the old one, people were calm about the future, life was measured, nerves of steel. And in this one, it's "paradise" as one citizen put it here, and everything else is in the fog of despair and timelessness. It's gotten to the point of buying pensions for themselves. A disgrace and a disgrace.
      1. -1
        15 January 2025 12: 52
        Quote: Taimen
        no cancer,

        There was no possibility to diagnose in principle. Therefore, it was - but not in diagnoses.
        Quote: Taimen
        heart attacks,
        - was. The possibility of diagnosis was not everywhere.
        You forget about the very strong development of mass medicine and diagnostics from 1970 to the present.
    7. -3
      15 January 2025 12: 35
      Quote: Sunwenmin
      It seems to me that the main reason is an attempt to escape from reality. And as for what Russians don't like about the "environment" - let everyone think for themselves.

      What didn't suit the citizens of the USSR in the "environment" - when they were drinking??? Okay, now capitalism is a hindrance, but then?
      We have Easter each For a year they sunk 2-3-4 tractors in the area - "We went for booze - there wasn't enough!!"
      1. 0
        15 January 2025 12: 52
        What didn't suit the citizens of the USSR in the "environment" - when they were drinking??? Okay, now capitalism is a hindrance, but then?

        My personal opinion is stagnation. A person who is out of touch with reality can be at many levels of Maslov's pyramid. I think rural tractor drivers did not like the hypocrisy of the late Soviet bosses, as well as the lack of growth prospects on a personal level. Today a tractor, tomorrow a tractor, the day after tomorrow a tractor... "And I have to flyeeee, I have to flyeeeeee..." laughing
  2. +4
    14 January 2025 04: 09
    The author paid little attention to why people drink despite everything, concentrating everything on the issue of regulating the sale of alcohol. Young people go to a club and, in order to raise the fun and dance, buy alcohol... with drugs.
    Direct benefit to the sellers of this poison...how to break this chain?
    Further... many people need to relieve stress from work, from conflicts with others, from misunderstandings, from tragedies( smile wife left, mistress left, etc.)...alcohol comes to the rescue again...another unbroken chain of its consumption is formed. It turns out that the fight against alcohol is a fight against the three main snakes...you cut off one head, two grow in its place...a social problem emerges. request
    An irresolvable contradiction...all talk about the fight against drunkenness turns into a performance with clowning.
    1. + 12
      14 January 2025 06: 15
      Well, why. I liked the idea of ​​selling alcohol to people aged 21 and older. The population is infantile. I.e., to pay the sacred debt - I ask from 18. In six months you can sign a contract, in another six months you'll become John Rambo. But it's too early for alcohol - your mind isn't strong yet. The author also brought in demographics.
      1. -1
        14 January 2025 15: 19
        Quote: Lykases1
        Well, why. I liked the idea of ​​selling alcohol to people aged 21 and older. The population is infantile. I.e., to pay the sacred debt - I ask from 18. In six months you can sign a contract, in another six months you'll become John Rambo. But it's too early for alcohol - your mind isn't strong yet. The author also brought in demographics.

        In Sparta it was forbidden to drink wine and marry before the age of thirty, but to fight was a sacred duty. In Sparta, free Spartans did not drink wine at all, diligently getting their slaves drunk, who were obliged to drink four cups of wine a day. That is why any large rebellion of slaves was suppressed by small forces of Spartan troops. The Spartan ritual of initiating young men into warriors seems interesting and very instructive in this sense.
        It looked something like this. Young men lined up with experienced warriors in a square. In the middle, several slaves were given one, two, three cups of wine and forced to perform various military exercises. The slaves missed, got angry, cursed, fought, and the young men watched with disdain as they gradually lost their human appearance. Then they spat at the slaves, threw dirt at them, and kicked them like cattle. The young men remembered the meaning of the ritual for the rest of their lives... Then they competed with each other in strength, agility, courage, and military skill.
        Later, the Greeks allowed adult men who had grandchildren to drink diluted wine, but women and men who might still have children were strictly forbidden to do so. Slaves were encouraged to do so.
        1. +4
          14 January 2025 15: 39
          A wonderful example. And in Sparta, so to speak, homopedophilia flourished. Where a boy of 13-14 years old, who did not have an adult lover, was a black sheep. Yes, there were many interesting things in Sparta, which is why it collapsed. But, you must admit, we do not live before our era, and not at all in Sparta.
          1. 0
            14 January 2025 20: 56
            Quote: Lykases1
            We do not live before our era, and we are not living in Sparta at all.

            Drinking wine (consuming alcohol!!!) was strictly prohibited for women and men who might still have children. It was recommended for slaves. So you also recommend that Russian people drink vodka from a young age. And you justify this by saying that Russians can serve in the army from the age of 18, but alcohol is not allowed? Is that right? Right. And what does BC have to do with it?
            1. +5
              14 January 2025 22: 14
              I recommend that an adult decide for himself what to do. Of course, within the framework of the constitution and federal laws. And let's ban alcohol completely! I'm not against it. What will change? No. Better yet, restore Sparta! Especially at its beginning. Instead of money - metal bars, children from the age of seven - to military camps with minimal provisions (let them learn to get food from childhood! Let them sleep on mats), your family - people sitting at the same table. You can leave the territory of the country only during campaigns, so that they do not see how other people live. Let's throw premature babies off the cliff, finish off soldiers wounded in the back. Really, what does BC have to do with it? Let's turn the country into a military camp! Doesn't it surprise you how long Egypt, which has been guzzling beer since ancient times, has existed? How long did Rome stand, swimming in wine? And where is your unviable Sparta? Maybe it's not about alcohol? I am against idiotic restrictions being imposed on an adult citizen with all the rights - drinking from 30, otherwise there will be trouble, smoking from the same age. Let's ban YouTube - they show unpatriotic nastiness there. Television spoils your eyesight, except for the first channel. Do you think that after this a healthy nation will start to multiply?
              1. -4
                15 January 2025 10: 06
                Quote: Lykases1
                I recommend that an adult decide for himself what to do.

                The key word is Adult, not young man, girl. You suggest that people decide everything themselves. And how about not stealing, not killing, not loving your neighbor's wife. This way you can reach anarchy and lawlessness. Let's allow lynching, drugs, watching sadistic, Nazi, anti-human publications on the Internet... Liberalism... that's the thing... With the best intentions, the greatest abominations are committed.
                1. 0
                  15 January 2025 10: 24
                  Where, in my words, did you find anarchy and lawlessness? At the very beginning it is written - according to the Constitution (attention!, the main code of laws of the country) and the Federal Law. According to the Constitution, a person, at the age of 18, becomes a full-fledged member of society. He has numerous rights. And responsibilities too. In my opinion, it is logical. Why do you leave the "minor" the right to start a family, influence the fate of the state (through the right to vote), officially defend the Motherland, and not as a "son of the regiment" at 15, but, wait a minute, deprive him of the right to purchase officially permitted substances? In response, you talk to me about the commandments (in a secular state). There is a law. By the way, have you ever had to covet your neighbor's wife? Well, between you and me. Therefore, you need to look at other things. At the moment, in my opinion, alcohol is far from a problem. And there are problems. But they are glossed over with hurray patriotism and idiotic, you can't say otherwise, initiatives. With respect.
      2. -2
        15 January 2025 12: 54
        Quote: Lykases1
        I liked the idea of ​​selling alcohol to people aged 21 and older. The population is infantile. So, I ask that the sacred duty be paid off from the age of 18.

        In 1990, they gave out vodka coupons to people aged 21 - I was allowed to go to the war in Afghanistan (although I didn't make it in time), but it was still too early to drink vodka...
    2. +6
      14 January 2025 08: 25
      The author paid little attention to why people drink despite everything,focusing everything on the issue of regulating sales alcohol.

      When I come across the word "regulation", I don't remember Federal Law 135, but I understand that this is an order from the state...
      "people from the state" really love doing this: "a trough for life or otherwise a sinecure"
    3. -2
      16 January 2025 15: 07
      I absolutely agree. Take away alcohol, and drugs will come. Gorbachev proved it.
      But to solve the problem deeply, there is not enough brains. Rarely do people drink because life is good. More often because of problems and hopelessness.
  3. + 11
    14 January 2025 05: 03
    Any restrictions are a factor that increases resistance. The more obstacles they create for me to achieve what I want, the more diligently I will try to overcome them. Limit alcohol sales to a few hours on weekdays? What's the point? Let's switch to moonshine. Especially since this will almost eliminate the use of low-quality alcohol, I mean if you are making moonshine yourself, for yourself. If that doesn't work, I'll go straight from work and buy it, and not just buy it, but stock up for a week, with extra supplies. If work prevents me from doing what I want, then I need to quit it.
    The shortage of people in production is due to many factors, and not to the fact that the population growth is falling. What were we taught in the 90s? We should strive to work in an office. As a manager. A turner, a mechanic, a plumber - this is low-paid, dirty work. This is for losers. The result? A huge, excessive number of university graduates working NOT in their specialty. Well, millions of lawyers, economists, accountants are not in demand in the country... Actually, they themselves did not strive to work in their profession: all they needed was a higher education, a diploma. And with it, they will take you everywhere. Vocational schools have been destroyed. And what does alcohol have to do with it, one wonders?
    Life is generally mortally dangerous, and not 100%. And it does not depend on giving up alcohol or tobacco. However, if the author notarizes my immortality if I give up drinking and smoking, no problem. All that remains is to think about what will happen to the author if I die. smile
    1. +8
      14 January 2025 06: 26
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      Any restrictions are a factor that increases resistance. The more obstacles they create for me to achieve what I want, the more diligently I will try to overcome them. Limit alcohol sales to a few hours on weekdays? What's the point? Let's switch to moonshine. Especially since this will almost eliminate the use of low-quality alcohol, I mean if you are making moonshine yourself, for yourself. If that doesn't work, I'll go straight from work and buy it, and not just buy it, but stock up for a week, with extra supplies. If work prevents me from doing what I want, then I need to quit it.

      For the last 15 years, the party and government, by adopting new laws and prohibitions, have been trying to cosplay the late union with its doublethink, in its worst form, in which, before the collapse, they were able to finally get even the quietest and most non-politicized citizens, alcoholics.
      1. +1
        14 January 2025 13: 24
        Now they want to ban computer games. So that even those quiet people sitting in their pants in front of the monitor would be outraged.
      2. +3
        14 January 2025 16: 59
        You see, I don't argue that alcohol consumption should be reduced. In general. It still causes harm, there's no getting away from it. Another question is how to do it without violating anyone's rights and interests. Raise excise taxes endlessly? But it's true - moonshine hasn't gone anywhere. Ban it? Pff... smile There is no prohibition that cannot be bypassed. Even if it is a very crooked path.
        My personal opinion is that it is only propaganda. Without going overboard. From every iron. And in general, until we have a national ideology, an official one, neither prohibitions nor propaganda, nothing will help. In order to eradicate alcoholism, and, say, smoking, we need to educate new generations, and not just one, but several, with a clear understanding of what is good and what is bad. And only when several generations have changed, only then will things move forward.
    2. +2
      14 January 2025 14: 10
      especially since this will almost eliminate the consumption of low-quality alcohol, I mean if you are engaged in moonshine production yourself, for yourself.

      In St. Petersburg, on November 23, another meeting of moonshiners enthusiasts took place - an exhibition of achievements - LenGrandStakan, the entrance ticket was 2500, but it was VERY educational!
      1. +2
        14 January 2025 17: 00
        The entrance ticket was 2500, but it was VERY informative!
        smile drinks
  4. + 11
    14 January 2025 05: 05
    This problem was solved in the USSR for the benefit of children. Now all income from tobacco and alcohol goes to the benefit of individuals. Fabulous profits. In the USSR, income from tobacco and alcohol was used as subsidies for baby food, children's clothing. Prices for them fell several times. There is a time for work and a time for fun should be the rule of man.
    1. + 10
      14 January 2025 05: 52
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Now all the income from tobacco and alcohol goes to the benefit of individuals.

      For some reason, you are the only one who noticed that the state has given the monopoly on the production and sale of alcohol (and tobacco, too) into various unscrupulous hands. But it is so easy to solve the problems of selling alcohol by cashless payments in isolated sections of stores. It is time to think about why stores put shelves with alcohol right at the entrance, and at the checkout the cashier every now and then opens this tricky box with packs with skulls painted on them...
      There is no point in restricting sales, but people should know that the potion can only be purchased in certain places where non-cash payments practically eliminate counterfeit fraud.
      * * *
      No vodka can eclipse the national idea. Many people in the USSR firmly remembered:
      Children, don't be like Vlas!
      Joyfully take the book and go to class!
      Arm yourself with a textbook-book!
      From childhood, develop and move your brains!
      Remember about school - only with her
      You will become the builder of happy days!

      And there was a choice of professions, and there was a desire for knowledge and sports, and most people dreamed and believed in a beautiful life, and every year the prices for goods and services decreased...
      * * *
      I guarantee that those one and a half million food delivery workers have very limited prospects for the future... And what can speculative capitalism offer? Labor for a living wage, credit bondage for housing, labor until death under the supervision of a capitalist, when at any moment a worker can be fired without any reason or cause, because the trade unions have been destroyed by thieves?
      Let's tell each other stories about the white bull - maybe something will change...
    2. -3
      15 January 2025 13: 03
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      In the USSR, income from tobacco and alcohol was used as subsidies for baby food and children's clothing. Prices for them fell several times.

      Can you imagine the budget revenue from them? If it were your way, children's clothing would be free. But it cost a lot.
  5. +3
    14 January 2025 05: 09
    People are right, alcohol is just a consequence of various factors. I would not mix in the demographic issue, it is precisely disadvantaged, marginal layers of the population that are actively multiplying, although they are not creating a population but a social burden. And what's more, the state is actively helping such layers of the population, I am often surprised at what these people live on, but they live, and most importantly, where do they get money for alcohol and drugs, but they do, they have housing, which many prosperous families cannot afford. Well, and most importantly, many are frankly disappointed in life, drinking is easier and cheaper than doing sports, high stress levels, lack of prospects, living from paycheck to paycheck, lack of guarantees and confidence in the future, here you have an influx of new alcoholics, and this is only the very tip of the iceberg....
  6. +1
    14 January 2025 05: 25
    Alcohol prices have stopped rising, outpacing inflation
    But other products become more expensive, for example dairy products and chicken eggs, hence the conclusion that the consumption of dairy products and eggs is harmful and their sale after 20.00:XNUMX is prohibited. Stores are closed. Yes
    1. +1
      14 January 2025 16: 58
      Quote: parusnik
      hence the conclusion that the consumption of dairy products and eggs is harmful

      Rather, the conclusion is this: the consumption of dairy products and eggs is harmful for women over 60 and men over 65, and their sale to these categories is prohibited...
  7. +8
    14 January 2025 05: 49
    On weekends, all liquor stores and alcohol shelves in shops are closed. And on weekdays, sales are limited to a few hours. The threshold for entering the world of alcohol is raised from 18 to 21 years.
    Oh, we went through this during the years of the ill-remembered perestroika. If you really wanted to, you stopped the first taxi driver, and he had a bubble for two prices. Only those who had already bargained did not have it.
  8. -2
    14 January 2025 06: 36
    I don’t know where the figures came from, but in my circle people started drinking significantly less than in the 90s.
  9. +8
    14 January 2025 06: 37
    It is necessary to remember that the alcoholization of Russia was carried out by force by the tsarist power and the people actively resisted it, there were even riots in 1858-1860. Troops were used against the people who did not want to drink. So the state is often to blame itself, although it calls not to drink, but immediately pours, creating conditions. A healthy lifestyle must be made available. And now it is cheaper to drink than for a family to go skiing.
    1. +8
      14 January 2025 12: 37
      Quote: Alex66
      And now it’s cheaper to drink than to go skiing with the family.

      That's for sure. A bar with weights for +100 kg will cost a pretty penny (45 to 80 thousand), but a bottle of "foamy" beer will cost 150 rubles...
  10. 0
    14 January 2025 07: 45
    So what?!... Let's drink to your health.. wink Why do sports if you can just drink... wassat ... I drink strong alcohol once or twice a year, mostly beer! There are very few drunks around me.. I can say there aren't any anymore. sad .. Drink milk people, you will be healthy!... The only problem is that a liter of milk is more expensive than a liter of beer...
    1. +3
      14 January 2025 08: 09
      Many people here write that in their immediate environment they drink little or have started drinking less. It's just that the average age on this forum is well over 50. And it's usually the young who drink themselves to death, the weak in spirit. Those who crossed the line of 45 and did not die - most likely have already gotten used to reality, and the need to paint it pink with ethanol has lost some of its necessity.
      1. -2
        14 January 2025 08: 18
        I'm 42...I've always been indifferent to alcohol, a sober life is more attractive than a headache and shit in the mouth! hi I often drank for company, as they say, for company Jew hanged himself! Once I got married I didn't have to! With the birth of children I started drinking even less.. It's generally a matter of Choice... Either live or drink!
        1. 0
          14 January 2025 08: 21
          I respect your choice, not everyone has the strength for this.
          1. -3
            14 January 2025 08: 24
            Yes, I know, I've seen enough of them, they justify drunkenness as best they can! Yes childhood friend.. Everything is there: a house, a car, a daughter, a son, a housewife who is not a runner) it would seem that you should live and be happy... but no... he drinks like a dog and whines that everything is bad for him! I stopped communicating with him, I'm tired of listening to his snot...
            1. +4
              14 January 2025 08: 29
              Since this topic has been raised, I would like to note that many alcohol-dependent individuals are people with a delicate mental organization, potential creators and innovators, unsystematic and incapable of routine existence. Perhaps your childhood friend is one of them. They should be given conditions in which they could realize themselves, give free rein to creativity, but the current reality does not allow for this. So people drown their souls in alcohol...
              1. -4
                15 January 2025 13: 09
                Quote: Sunwenmin
                They should be given conditions in which they could realize themselves and give free rein to their creativity, but the current reality does not allow for this.

                Bugaga ..
                Vysotsky and a looooong list of singers, musicians, actors and just good people are also capitalists and the current did reality get in the way?
                1. 0
                  15 January 2025 13: 31
                  I don't understand what you're making fun of. Vysotsky is a great man, and I don't blame him for using anything. In this sense, everyone decides for themselves whether their life is good for them or whether it's better to drown it in wine. And the more subtle a person's mental organization is, the easier it is for them to recognize the imperfections of the world around them.
                  1. -4
                    15 January 2025 14: 41
                    Quote: Sunwenmin
                    I don't understand what you're laughing at.

                    Above the weaving "current reality"
                    Quote: Sunwenmin
                    They should be given conditions in which they could realize themselves and give free rein to their creativity, but current reality

                    Who didn't create for Vysotsky (and a whole bunch of other people) "conditions in which they could realize themselves, give free rein to creativity" - capitalists?
                    1. +2
                      15 January 2025 16: 51
                      That is, the idea that reality can be unattractive, unacceptable, depressing under ANY system, government, or even financial status is not taken into consideration by you?
                      For example, our world, starting with the appearance of the first multicellular organism, is a world of constant death. It will not pass us by either. Some individuals manage to ignore this (and other similar) fact. And those who try to understand and comprehend reality, that is, smart and creative people, come to depression, which they treat with alcohol and drugs.
                      And the capitalists... they simply exacerbate the shortcomings, take away hopes...
                      1. -1
                        15 January 2025 17: 24
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        That is, the idea that reality can be unattractive, unacceptable, depressing under ANY system, government, or even financial status is not taken into consideration by you?
                        - This is exactly what I am saying!!! Whether under socialism or under capitalism, this reality may not be to the liking of a particular person.

                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        And the capitalists... they just make the shortcomings worse, take away hopes...
                        - but even under socialism there were problems with implementation - for example, under Brezhnev, no one would have ever heard of Tsoi, but then Gorbachev happened...

                        ps
                        2 people would most likely not fit into capitalism - Tsoi and Vysotsky. In general, it may be good that they did not live to see their throwing themselves
                      2. +2
                        15 January 2025 17: 55
                        It's good that we understood each other. drinks
                        As for Tsoi and Vysotsky... History does not accept the subjunctive mood. Who knows what would have happened if they had lived to see it...
                        But how many talents that didn't make it through capitalism will we never know about? The level of culture of OUR times strongly hints that capitalist pop has ruined quite a few...
                      3. -2
                        15 January 2025 18: 55
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        But how many talents that didn't make it through capitalism will we never know about? The level of culture of OUR times strongly hints that capitalist pop has ruined quite a few...

                        I disagree here - only a few were able to get on TV or to perform at a stadium concert under socialism. Yes, their level was very high - but the same Tsoi or Nautilus would have remained unknown in principle in the 1970s.
                        And now at least there was recourse YouTube - what allowed to try to find Its listener...
                      4. +2
                        16 January 2025 03: 55
                        You are probably right. It is not the top level (producers) that is destroying talents, but the bottom level (YouTube).
                        Let me explain: When a teenager in the late Soviet Union played the guitar in the yard, he was already "socially in demand." This inspired and gave him self-confidence. But today, a young talent records a video or a song - and lo and behold, there are already 10000 similar videos and songs on YouTube, and of a higher level. And all the enthusiasm runs out.
                        So, apparently, OUR times will be tougher, although this is not always connected with the social formation. winked
                      5. -3
                        16 January 2025 07: 24
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        When a teenager in the late Soviet era played guitar in the yard, he was already “socially in demand.”

                        Then they would tell him "Your lyrics must be approved" and that was the end of his journey. Because he didn't want to sing, for example, "Love, Komsomol and Spring" (and without it, he wouldn't have been allowed to go to a concert even at the level of a local community center) - and he wouldn't have been allowed to sing his "I'm planting aluminum cucumbers on a tarpaulin field" above the level of a local community center.
                        All of our classic rockers would have quietly sat in their apartment concerts and drunk themselves to death if it hadn’t been Gorbachev who came to power, but the next hypothetical Brezhnev.

                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        And now a young talent records a video or a song - look, there are already 10000 similar videos and songs on YouTube, and of a higher level. And all the enthusiasm runs out of steam.

                        If the enthusiasm runs out of steam already at this stage - it's good. Because to say something new to people and to express yourself - you need a lot of strength, desire and patience.
                        On the other hand, YouTube has made life much easier for Buzova and Klava Koke - at any other time they wouldn't have even been able to pull a yard lol

                        Talents always have it hard - in any time and formation,
            2. +4
              14 January 2025 14: 30
              childhood friend...I stopped communicating with him, I'm tired of listening to his snot...
              What kind of "friend" are you?
              1. -2
                14 January 2025 15: 15
                A normal friend...we communicate quite well with other non-whiners! But no one wants to communicate with him for a long time precisely because of his whining...
    2. 0
      14 January 2025 17: 02
      Quote: Popuas
      The only problem is that a liter of milk is more expensive than a liter of beer...

      And in the USSR a liter of milk cost 28 kopecks, and a liter of beer - 44 kopecks... And vodka from 2 rubles for 87 l...
    3. -3
      15 January 2025 13: 06
      Quote: Popuas
      The only problem is that a liter of milk is more expensive than a liter of beer...

      A liter of milk is more expensive beer drink - there is no beer cheaper than 120 rubles per liter.
  11. + 14
    14 January 2025 08: 04
    As Bernard Shaw used to say. Alcohol is an anesthetic that allows you to undergo an operation called life. Just don't step on the same rake, that's enough, you can't solve the problem with prohibitions. Almost everyone drinks, but not everyone becomes an alcoholic. I don't know why.
    The general secretary's personality is viewed rather negatively in Russia, but he literally saved about a million human lives
    such data, but in my memory, a lot of people croaked from the prohibition, since they started drink all sorts of nasty stuff and poison yourself with it. I observed it myself - beer with dichlorvos!? A nightmare! In fact, alcoholics need to be treated, and not have widespread bans imposed on everyone. Among my acquaintances, there are people who have been sewn up, coded, but it seems that they are just waiting for the coding time to end, well, then they will give it to you as they please. And one more aspect, as Woland said
    "There is something evil in men who avoid wine, games, the company of beautiful women, and table talk. Such people are either seriously ill or secretly hate those around them."
    It's hard to disagree, teetotalers such bores, there are simply no words.
    1. +1
      14 January 2025 11: 43
      Beer with dichlorvos is not the worst thing... Not the worst..
  12. +5
    14 January 2025 08: 10
    Alcohol and Demography: Time for Emergency Measures

    I immediately remembered Gorbachev and his ideas...
    Why cross "warm and soft"?
  13. +6
    14 January 2025 08: 21
    The lack of a sane domestic policy in the country is the main reason for the low birth rate; normal people see no point in creating poverty!
    1. +5
      14 January 2025 08: 43
      Quote: Gomunkul
      The lack of a sane domestic policy in the country is the main reason for the low birth rate; normal people see no point in creating poverty!

      It seems like everything has been left to chance in the country, wherever you look! No one sets normal tasks, so no one asks for their failure to be fulfilled. Only wishes are read from paper, convenient! You can ask Chubais!
      1. + 10
        14 January 2025 08: 47
        It seems like everything has been left to chance in the country, wherever you look!
        So. good
        I liked the comment from one resource, I quote it verbatim:
        So you have ruined the population of our country with your market reforms, gentlemen. Even during the times of total deficit in the USSR, people continued to give birth, believing that these were only temporary difficulties and that a good life awaited them and their children. Now, with store shelves bursting with food, they do not want to give birth, because they do not believe in changes for the better in the future!
        What you so persistently sought by forcibly imposing capitalism on us has happened - there are no workers left! You have squandered all the achievements of the USSR in all spheres, and there is simply no one to achieve new ones. In another 20 years, the last Soviet generation of the 80s will retire and you will remain products of your system - generations from the 90s - 2020s. And not only are there very few of them, but you can't even make them work, they why nothing rattled. The whole country is still somehow holding on to the last Komsomol members and pioneers, to whose upbringing you have not the slightest relation!
        Did you find it funny when your red-haired guy declared to the whole country - well, 30 million people will die out, they didn't fit into the market!? Now you can laugh, there's more to come! You can be proud of your result!
        Author:Exmilint
      2. -1
        14 January 2025 19: 06
        Nobody sets normal tasks.
        oh well, they set normal goals - so that everyone is happy, earns a lot, plays sports, has good roads, cheap housing. They allocate a lot of money. That's where it all ends, because
        no one asks about their failure to comply
  14. +3
    14 January 2025 08: 24
    Ryaba's chickens lay "golden" eggs, "golden" fish, such as herring, are sold in "people's" stores, apparently it was caught by the grandfather from the fairy tale of the same name. Burenushki produce "golden" meat and dairy products. On the shelves there is bread made from "golden" ears of corn. "Golden" products do not bother the author much, but the fact that the vodka is "tin" is a problem. Maybe if the products did not become "golden" and they drank less vodka? Or are you one of those who like to say, no matter how much you feed the people, they will not get enough?
  15. + 15
    14 January 2025 08: 26
    Again, stories that male mortality is due to increased alcohol consumption.
    Half of male mortality is due to cardiovascular diseases. And they, as medicine has recognized in recent years, are not associated with alcohol consumption. They are associated with chronic stress and overwork. Men's bodies simply do not have time to recover, they work to the point of exhaustion.
  16. + 12
    14 January 2025 08: 26
    Alcohol has little effect on demography. If the population of the RSFSR in the 80s increased by an average of a million people per year, then after the capture of the RSFSR by the "nonsense" enemies of the USSR, already in February 1993 the "Russian cross" came, when the mortality rate exceeded the birth rate.
    1. +2
      14 January 2025 10: 26
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: tatra
      ...the population of the RSFSR increased in the 80s...
      ... already in February 1993 the "Russian cross" arrived...

      On top of everything else, with the beginning of perestroika, the country was flooded with Royal alcohol.
      1. +5
        14 January 2025 11: 32
        (Boris Leontievich)
        For information:
        After the collapse of the USSR and the abolition of the state monopoly on the production and sale of wine and vodka products (May 7, 1992), the alcoholic beverage market in Russia became unregulated and the borders were open to imports. This, as well as the absence of customs duties, was taken advantage of by foreign producers.

        The name royal prima feinsprit was first encountered in 1990. The Royal Prima feinsprit trademark was registered in July 1992. Royal spirit was produced in Hamburg (FRG) and imported to Russia, in particular, through the Netherlands and Poland. When it first appeared in Russia on a mass scale, its retail price (for a liter bottle with a strength of 96 percent) and the price of a legal half-liter bottle of Russian vodka were 300 and 120 rubles, respectively, which provided competitive advantages. Later, prices increased as the ruble fell, but the ratio remained approximately the same. At the same time, the wholesale price of a liter bottle of Royal with delivery to Moscow was slightly more than one US dollar (factory price $0,99 plus shipping costs)
      2. +4
        14 January 2025 11: 42
        Together with yuppie or zuko it was a cool mix:))
      3. +3
        14 January 2025 13: 46
        Actually, they started selling it en masse after the collapse of the USSR, and that was after perestroika.
  17. + 10
    14 January 2025 09: 23
    In scientific terms, the country is depopulating. The aggravating factor of this sad process is the alcohol burden on the population.

    Is that all I wanted to say with my essay? lol
    The socio-economic situation since 1985 has no effect on depopulation at all? The deliberate devastation of rural areas by "optimization" has not led to the resettlement of the population to urban "human anthills", which has definitely affected depopulation? The constant deterioration of the quality of life of the population (retirement age, monetization of benefits with constant inflation, "free" education and medicine, terrorist attacks, lack of crime prevention, lack of confidence in the future) all this in the opinion, or rather the lack of opinion in this opus does not affect the depopulation of the population?
    So it turns out that:
    ...teetotalers do not allow moderate drinkers to live in peace...
    writing laws. It would be better if these "teetotalers" drank, people would breathe easier. wink
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  19. +9
    14 January 2025 10: 22
    I read the comments, wow, almost all of them are teetotalers, drinking strong alcohol once or twice a year..... It's breathtaking..
    1. 0
      14 January 2025 13: 00
      Well, I watched it, they downvoted it...Well done!...Try not to drink too! Maybe you'll start trusting people!...
  20. +4
    14 January 2025 10: 32
    The author writes
    "Since the 2000s, there has been an encouraging trend in Russia of switching from strong alcohol to beer and, to a lesser extent, to wine. This was the result of a large-scale government program to combat alcohol abuse."
    In fact, there is practically no normal wine left, especially in the economy segment. Most of the wine is slop made with cheap alcohol.
    Beer has become crap, it seems they started adding substances to it that bind moisture in the body. After beer you want to drink water like a camel.
    Thus, poor quality alcohol in wine and low quality beer lead to greater harm to health than good vodka, for example.
    In general, the victory of capitalism in the USSR led to a monstrous decline in the quality of alcoholic beverages and food products.
    1. +2
      14 January 2025 11: 40
      In general, beer always makes you run after a certain amount, it’s just different for everyone:))
    2. +4
      14 January 2025 12: 03
      CIDRE. After a bottle of Martini ran for well over 1200 rubles, only cider can carry a decent person's holiday :-(
      By the way, it's not that people are buying vodka very often or more often. Judging by the Auchan rows. I remember the same 90s - that's where they just swept it away, especially the cheap stuff.
      1. +3
        14 January 2025 12: 10
        For cider, you need good raw materials with a high sugar level - and the jug will break after it.
        Therefore, the best remedy is to distill it yourself and then make liqueurs and infusions - currants, cherries, mulberries, grapes, chokeberries, rose hips, plums - basically, whatever God sends.
        Before adding berries, dip them in boiling water for 1 minute. And you can add cinnamon, cloves, thyme, oregano and mint to the container. Sugar to taste. If you pour 40 degrees 50/50 over the fruit, you will end up with 20-25 degrees.
  21. + 10
    14 January 2025 10: 34
    Quote: Viktor Grishchenko
    All family problems start at school. We haven't cancelled the study (of Darwin's theory) at school

    We also need to abolish the godless multiplication table and, at the same time, the written language.
    Then we'll start living.
    1. +2
      15 January 2025 16: 40
      Quote: Dozorny_ severa
      We also need to abolish the godless multiplication table and at the same time abolish writing


      And also leave malicious computers and the Internet only for the authorities! And also cancel the godless elections - for this is an abomination in the face of the church!
  22. +6
    14 January 2025 10: 38
    "Do not expect a good tribe from a bad seed"

    Women.
    The number of eggs in a woman’s body is determined at her birth. In the process of life, a woman’s body does not produce other eggs. Alcohol (beer, wine, vodka) unevenly damage the eggs. The longer a woman drinks, the more eggs are damaged. Which of these cells the sperm gets to is a matter of chance.

    Men
    In men, sperm are updated within 3 months. If the body as a whole is poisoned by alcohol, then the appearance of new, healthy, capable of fertilizing the sperm ovum is not necessary.

    Full renewal of shelter in a woman’s body occurs during 3 years. Men through 4 years.

    Full renewal of cells in the body of a man and a woman occurs during 7-mi years.

    If you want to have sick children - drink and your dream will come true.

    Each cigarette smoked is a shot at our trenches. Each drink is a projectile in our trenches. The war to destroy the country is going on on this front. Everyone decides for himself in whose trenches.
    1. +6
      14 January 2025 11: 37
      Well, yes, don't smoke, don't drink - you'll die healthy, slogan-thrower
  23. +7
    14 January 2025 11: 59
    After reading the title, I assumed that this "masterpiece" was written by E. Fedorov. I went through the text and sure enough, he is the "tireless author".
  24. + 11
    14 January 2025 12: 00
    Times are sad now, deaths, bad news, daily gloom of events, uncertainty, inflation and so on and so forth. 3 years of actual war. The fact that people started drinking more to somehow abstract themselves from this is quite logical. Yes, we don't like this logic - but this is a CONSEQUENCE and not a cause. A consequence of a sour and stuffy life. A consequence of what we got instead of the gilded "strategy 2020". There is no market, you can abstract yourself somehow differently. For example, on the network ... oh, wait, they took away the largest video hosting from people ... several social networks, the same Discord, God knows what else is there ...
    Of course, this had an effect. When a person does NOT see the light at the end of the tunnel, he begins to behave as in the last days, as in general, it was in the 90s.
    And as for some rules for retailers - gentlemen, well, this is ridiculous. Retailers, without blinking an eye, accelerate inflation, making profits of 200 and 300% on certain categories. Do you seriously think that anyone in this scheme will care about the issue of demographics and public health?) The most that an angry hand can do is temporarily freeze the prices of sunflower oil or sugar.
    1. +2
      14 January 2025 19: 12
      For example, on the Internet... oh, wait, they took away the largest video hosting service from the people... several social networks, the same Discord, God knows what else is there...
      They also took away anime and now they want to take away computer games. Because children watch violence in games and get angry. It's strange that war correspondents aren't banned, they have real footage of violence, not pixels.
  25. + 10
    14 January 2025 12: 02
    "There was no alcohol in the refrigerator. A bottle of expensive wine was used, which Victor had been saving for nine years in case of some significant event in his life.

    Today was quite a significant day.

    He remained alive, whole and free. As for his nerves, they seemed not to have frayed, but simply disappeared, leaving tension. Muttering under his breath whatever came to mind, Victor picked at the cork with a knife and took a swig from the bottle, not regretting it.
    It was this bottle that became the focus of his thoughts for the next hour. Victor laughed maliciously, recalling all his plans, and even dreams, connected with where and when he would drink this wine. There were times when his imagination drew him the most daring versions on this account - for example, high in the mountains, on a summit he had conquered. Or on the seashore, by candlelight, in the company of a girl who truly excited his heart. Or when buying a brand new car. Or when receiving an unusually large amount of money. Each sip shattered another illusion that was part of the detective's personality, and when the bottle was empty, only one thought was spinning in Victor's head - that for nine years in his life, it turns out, there was not a single significant event."

    Sergey Nedorub, "The Personality of the Client"
  26. -2
    14 January 2025 12: 04
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    In general, beer always makes you run after a certain amount, it’s just different for everyone:))

    No, it is not about provoking greed by binding moisture in the body, which leads to an increase in blood pressure.
  27. RMT
    +6
    14 January 2025 12: 45
    "the country is depopulating. The aggravating factor of this sad process is the alcohol burden on the population. The second aggravating factor is the extremely low unemployment"
    There will be more unemployed, the population will start to grow! I can't believe it
  28. +5
    14 January 2025 13: 59
    Author, everything is correct, everything is right. But... Only half. In my village, they don't sell vodka in the stores. I don't know why, but they only sell beer. And the people drink something that isn't beer at all. The people drink moonshine, of which there is plenty in the village. And which is not included in the statistics. I don't understand why this drink is not taken into account in the statistics. I have friends, among whom are very, very wealthy people who can afford to buy not just expensive, but elite alcohol. But these people drink moonshine that they make themselves, infuse it, and nothing else alcoholic. Such is the metaphysical paradox. What am I getting at? Well, of course, you can raise prices, excise taxes, close stores on weekends. But in reality, this will have almost no effect. We are not Swedes or Finns. We have a different mentality. After all, in Soviet times, when there was a fight against alcohol, we drank windshield wiper and BF-2 glue. Again, moonshine, even under the Soviets they couldn't get rid of it. No, that's not an option. Bans alone will only cheer up the people. A complex is needed here. Or the problem will get out of control and then you won't be able to push this "genie" back into the "bubble". And yes, I think that this government won't solve the problem even under these conditions.
    1. +4
      14 January 2025 14: 31
      How do you account for moonshine? No way. Someone makes 10 liters for themselves, and someone else makes 200 and sells it. It's a black hole here... But well-made moonshine is better for yourself than any vodka.
      1. +1
        14 January 2025 15: 08
        Andrey VOV, yes, I agree, it is simply impossible to take into account the volumes, but I probably did not express my thought quite correctly. I meant in principle that in addition to officially sold alcohol, there is a huge layer of unofficial, and it is not taken into account, although, to some extent, it is comparable in consumption, and in some places it even exceeds the official one. At least in the countryside. And I agree with the quality. In the last few years, we have opened a chain of stores "Kolba", selling everything related to the production of alcohol (beer, wine, moonshine), so there are probably about a dozen and a half different moonshine stills, as they say, for every taste and wallet. And the people's path to it does not overgrow.
        So the statistics on alcohol consumption in Russia are bogus. Or formal, as you like.
        1. +1
          14 January 2025 15: 40
          And also the so-called nlchgye changes of official LVZ, underground factories.. Accounting for excise MAOKs.. And on all di sticks... Go figure.. Go figure
  29. +1
    14 January 2025 19: 26
    Alcohol is one of the sources of high income, like the sale of religious paraphernalia, drugs and weapons. No one will ever prohibit it and lobby propaganda, instilling in the population a condemnation of the abuse of drinking. It is necessary to literally periodically shoot all millionaires and billionaires who own alcohol production and chain stores. Along the way, conduct tough propaganda, with various programs, except for fines alone. laughing
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  31. -5
    14 January 2025 22: 07
    What happened from 2019 to 2023?
    Isn't it time for the state to start acting?
    There was a wonderful period in our history since 1985!
    I personally confirm that I did not drink any alcohol.
    And many people criticize Mikh Sergeyevich.
  32. +1
    14 January 2025 22: 25
    In Russia they drank, they drink, and they will drink. But we are clearly not the leaders. Europe is the leader. At the Oktoberfest in Munich, people with beer are lying on the floor in the toilets, and in England, in pubs, the local contingent reaches a completely insane state and everyone does what they can. They lie on the asphalt at the entrance. I have seen all this myself. Brrrrr. Our problem is not in consumption, but in the fact that they sell surrogates and all sorts of crap. People buy, drink a little, and then blindness, death. This is what we need to fight. We need to toughen the punishment for this. The terms should be close to those for murder.
  33. 0
    14 January 2025 23: 42
    A very controversial topic. I think alcohol is a kind of medicine. It helps with many ailments of the soul and body. Of course, you need to know when to stop. I think that a man is quite capable of controlling himself in drinking "fire water". People who drink themselves to death are mostly mentally weak. A very important point is the quality of alcohol. What is on the long shelves in Pyaterochka is pure poison, which is to blame for our sad statistics. It hurts me to look at it. The state must bring order to this important matter. Otherwise, you see, people are being poisoned for their own money. It occurs to me that this is being done on purpose. With cigarettes, by the way, things are even worse.
  34. +1
    15 January 2025 10: 27
    Make salaries at the military-industrial complex enterprises normal and the shortage of personnel will evaporate by itself. And there is no need to reinvent the wheel, like alcohol is to blame for everything.
  35. 0
    16 January 2025 11: 23
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    I believe my eyes, not these offices. Compared to the 90s, there are fewer drunks on the street. But this is not the merit of the authorities (or is it still a merit), natural selection? Or is the fight against population bringing results?

    You beat me to it! I've already forgotten the last time I saw a drunk on the street.
  36. 0
    16 January 2025 15: 10
    One of my friends is quite successful, graduated with a gold medal from school, but when he drank "red riding hood" for the first time on my birthday, he became so addicted that he couldn't stop. He gave birth to three healthy children, and is already a grandfather. And I completely quit. It's everyone's choice.
  37. 0
    23 January 2025 06: 54
    I don't know, I've never drunk, smoked, or injected drugs and I don't have the urge. What's wrong with me?
  38. 0
    23 January 2025 09: 14
    What demography. Remember conscience and responsibility. Money is the god of alcohol magnates... And not only them.
  39. 0
    23 January 2025 09: 20
    8 liters? I'll believe 68. Half a liter in the evening, every day, so 90 liters per person will come out. 8 liters, that's ridiculous. GOSTs for alcohol. Ban on energy drinks. Restriction on the sale of alcohol to one person. Introduce a monthly limit. Make personalized cards and purchase only with them and an identity document. Fines and terms for sellers. Terms for legal entities and draconian fines
  40. 0
    April 17 2025 13: 20
    and the author forgot that children appear, among other things, because a man is drunk and climbed on a woman whom he would not climb on sober... this is also demography... and nerves (their preservation)... in my opinion, ALL distilleries should be checked for non-compliance with GOST... imprison, shoot, but return quality... this will save lives and support demography and the nerves of the population...