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Roll "Lynx". Italy falsified BBM test results

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Roll "Lynx". Italy falsified BBM test results

The French military blog forcesoperations.com March 6 and the portal of the Italian newspaper La Stampa March 20 published materials about the crash of the light wheel (4х4) BBM Lince (expr. Lynx) “Italian Iveco”.


During the 23 test in February, 2011 of the year “Lynx”, which was traveling at high speed (a little more than 80 km / h) in the area of ​​Via Aurelja, with the overtaking maneuver and further reversal, left the country road, tipped over and turned over several times. As a result of the incident, the paratrooper Folgore Nicola Casà aboard the paratrooper on board (Folgore Nicola Casà) was fatally injured, the other four were seriously injured. The commission investigating the incident reported the results in writing and concluded that the car was unstable at speeds above 65 km / h. Was the problem known to the troops?

As a result, seven officials who were supposed to test the “dynamic stability of the vehicle”, including Antonio Guicciardini, Director General of the Ground Weapons Directorate (Antonio Guicciardino), are suspected of falsifying test reports before adopting the vehicle. Under the certificate is signed Guicciardini. The head of the test team, Luca Fois (Luca Fois), who was injured in that accident, was also accused of speeding.

Prosecutors agree that the leaders and participants of the tests "hid serious shortcomings in the dynamic stability of the machine." The maximum speed of the car on country roads should not exceed 65 km / h.

The incident could seriously shake the prospects for mass production of the BBM. In addition to Italy, this armored vehicle is in service with the armies of many states, including Britain, Russia and Belgium.
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  1. Nevsky
    Nevsky 21 March 2013 12: 39 New
    43
    Will appear now Pimply, and will say that Iveco is used in 10 countries and in combat conditions ... and all Russian type sucks. wassat
    1. Dragonmu
      Dragonmu 21 March 2013 12: 52 New
      12
      Yeah, but on the handshake of news portals in general, such news will not be published: D. But they say there is no corruption in the geyropa and generally dairy rivers flow. But in practice, a military machine cannot go on a country road: D, they have mb and machine guns only shoot in fair weather. Although after the F-35 which for an infinite amount of time, money can only fly on sunny days and outside the operation of air defense systems.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 March 2013 19: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: DragonMu
        Yeah, but on the handshake of news portals in general, such news will not be published: D. But they say there is no corruption in the geyropa and generally dairy rivers flow.


        It’s more expensive to contact pasta, the level of responsibility is zero, carelessness exceeds all limits. I didn’t want to be unsubstantiated in these disputes about Iveka with such postulates, well, I waited for confirmation .. otherwise the old Israeli record would start up again in a new way, in the West they take care of the soldier, and the soldier’s life in our scoop is worth nothing.
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 21 March 2013 12: 58 New
      11
      Quote: Nevsky
      Pupyrchaty will appear now, and say that Iveco is used in 10 countries and in combat conditions ... and all Russian type sucks.

      No, he will say that the commission confused the Iveco test results with the Lynx produced in Russia.
      1. Lone gunman
        Lone gunman 21 March 2013 14: 26 New
        +1
        Well, for sure, the Jews are the most advanced, they better know, they are from God, and you are all goyim, well, that’s not gay .... fuck ... but if you check the Tiger as they write, check the "dynamic stability of the vehicle" results would not be better, or maybe even worse ... I think the BMW M5 would pass the test for "dynamic stability of the vehicle" ... a Russian-Jewish chameleon, where are you? call on you belay .
    3. dmitreach
      dmitreach 21 March 2013 15: 58 New
      +6
      Pimple, even a long time ago it is not visible, like professors.
      I'll try for them. From the message a lot is not clear. laughing
      Prosecutors agree that the leaders and participants in the tests "concealed the serious shortcomings of the dynamic stability of the machine."

      Oh, these Europeans with their rights of coddled infantiles. Brutal men should serve in the army.
      The commission investigating the incident reported the results in writing and concluded that the vehicle was unstable at speeds above 65 km / h.

      when performing an overtaking maneuver and a further turn, she got off the country road


      1. Not sustainable where? On loose soils? I’m on my Pepelats (square Jeep), after I entered the (approximately) 45-degree turn by the aus, like Peteransel (Stefan) .... and it’s bulo with the weight of the car in a little more than a little less than 1700 kg ...- I caught treason and thought about the meaning of life ... and this is at a speed of 80-90 km / h. for lane and suspension limit! Above, only Petransels with Juha Kankkunen are wound. But they have such a job. And at 60 km / h you can break the car, losing control in the sand. And the same turn, but with five (with me) characters in the cabin, and stuffed with things, with a full tank - the same 80 rm / h - without use. For the weight and alignment have changed ...
      So here the nuances you need to know from the message, not everything is clear.

      2. My friend made an overclock on the UAZ, only 1.5 inches backlash. He made ears because of a booming Aborigine who jumped onto an unlit section of the track in the pose of a starfish. PidoAlconaphth-debiloid by this method "on live bait" slowed down a ride. (between the villages it was, around midnight) I did not guess. UAZ, especially backlash, like a sifka-burka rooted to the spot does not stop. The weight is not the same. I had to work with the steering wheel. As a result, the car "tripped over its left front wheel." The crashes were two and a half times along (along the diagonal) the car.! (Everyone is alive, there were 2 people in the car) Thanks to speed and center of gravity - the car was left without gloomy mega-damage, but the body had to be changed. Hijack flying around the cabin - broke through the roof in two places ... I know how he drives. He rarely goes along the consecrated highway of 90 km / h, UAZ does not allow it, the design is like that. And even more so on the dark roads of Ryazan - no more than 80.
      Joke Riding in tandem with UAZ on the highway is not profitable for me. For the calculated (by engineers) speed, according to the tachometer, for JEEP - 110-120 km / h, for UAZ Hunter - 80-90 km / h.

      3. I’m all about the fact that the 7 ton IVECO Lynx, if the driver lost control, then this is not a two-ton UAZ or even the lighter JEEP Cerokke, to catch SEVEN tons of dumped ones .... here you and Petranseli with Juhi Kankkunenami - arrearsremember mom. And the fact that ALL square-shaped, tall SUVs are experiencing problems with "dynamic stability", under certain circumstances - so the laws of physics and the universe. And the engineers are mediocre.
      Something like that.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 March 2013 19: 05 New
        +6
        Quote: dmitreach
        Pimply, even for a long time he was not visible, like the professor.


        Yes, they are probably many who brought them against wool in an emergency, and therefore it is not visible.
        Quietly they are talking to themselves
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 21 March 2013 19: 13 New
          +5
          Greetings!
          They make insidious plans, strategies for behavior on the site ... (according to the laws of the genre)
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 March 2013 20: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: dmitreach
            Greetings!
            They make insidious plans, strategies for behavior on the site ... (according to the laws of the genre)

            There Sedna in Obama instructs how we can further creep into the brain more agilely, they’ll get instructions from Godep, Mossad will develop new manuals and go on
      2. bask
        bask 21 March 2013 19: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: dmitreach
        But even for a long time he was not visible, as well as the professor.

        The professor’s tongue probably hurt. laughing
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 21 March 2013 19: 49 New
          +3
          They analyze the "theory of relativity of the Cypriot offshore" analyze. Maybe this topic is more relevant to them now? (according to the law of the genre)
    4. bask
      bask 21 March 2013 18: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Nevsky
      It seems that Iveco is being used in 10 countries and in combat conditions ... and all Russian type

      iveco use in
      Italy -2000 units
      Great Britain - 401 units.
      Spain -270 units
      Norway - 170 units
      Belgium -440 units
      Khovatiya -10 units
      Austria-150 units (((why do they need them?)))
      Czech Republic - 170 units
      Slovakia -50-u
      Russia 358-units ((and good !!!!!)))) All in the S. Caucasus and Dagestan.
      DO WE HAVE IVECO-MEDICAL MACHINE.?
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 21 March 2013 18: 23 New
        +1
        Then the topic surfaced that the Lynx passed as "medical equipment with flashing lights" ... because it is not taxed 20%. Initially, the journalists dug up, now the Prosecutor's Office has combed itself ...
        But unfortunately, it seems to me that there will be no medical trot in the flesh. It's a pity.
    5. Rustam
      Rustam 21 March 2013 18: 30 New
      +2
      I didn’t think that I would ever write this, but due to new circumstances, I’ll have to

      Preface - this article with translation was posted by the owner of the site Military Parity Leonid Nikolaev at my request and material, after which I prompted and gave a link to Vadim Smirnov so that he would publish it here!

      why did i do that? because on this respected site and other resources, I fiercely advocated (stayed) for the Italian, namely IVECO LMV, to be in our army along with the products of the AMZ plant, I called friends and colleagues know them

      but then an event happened that outraged me and I became an opponent of the adoption of the Rysy (it was them in our army)

      explain
      1-during the time when Mr. Serdyukov was at the helm about Iveco, only lazy people didn’t wipe their legs, all of our military-industrial complex, Russian Technologies and so on-saying what it is
      but on March 15, 2013, an event occurred that showed all the duplicity and greed of some of the leaders of our military-industrial complex, etc.

      On March 2-15, KAMAZ OJSC held a pompous presentation of its new and promising models, including the miraculous Italian IVECO LMV (with production plans for 2013 260 machines, and in the future for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation 3000-4000 units

      3-After the resignation of Serdyukov, the guys from Rostekhnologii pressed the assembly from Voronezh to organize the assembly at ZAO KAMAZ’s daughter RamAZ and now Iveco from Kamaz is just super duper — now the true reasons for the removal of Serdyukov are clear — this doesn’t interfere with cutting GOZ!


      Now I became an ardent opponent of the adoption of this device in our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation only if a couple of hundred samples - the main thing for me is that AMZ raised his ass and began to move - and there I always like not to be afraid to answer all sharp questions even bad ones! They will explain everything on fingers and so on, and I am for cooperation and even the adoption of another Western model for armament even from South Africa, Israel, France or Germany but not Iveco LMV this is fundamental!

      PS- here is a photo from that presentation - Iveco Lynx famously overcomes the snow cover, but an interesting fact from another miracle, namely the Typhoon-K apparatus from Kamaz OJSC, the cardan fell off during the demonstration

      Well, Chemezov, the guy doesn’t miss the ballot Iveki if that, if there is no explosive help, Taburetkin moved from the state defense order now you can turn around, but when Serdyukov was at the post Iveko didn’t kick only the lazy-headed man, what shit it is and now it’s cool to nelsi

      but as the leadership of Russian Technologies (represented by Mr. Chemezov) constantly puts sticks in the wheels of AMZ and does not allow it to develop and improve, I’ll tell you later, and this is a completely different story
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 21 March 2013 18: 50 New
        +1
        Interesting ... This is the second message of the day on fraud with a drink Geshefta.
        The first was on VPK.name, about a 20% tax cut off by posting car auto kits as "medical equipment".
        the main thing for me is that AMZ raised his ass and began to move

        I initially spoke about this. Kicking is always good.
        And for the rest, Rustam, you report a fact that everyone implied. I, too, didn’t doubt that someone was special cunningly-Smarty will be able to fuck this sickly PROFIT. So you can pick in any area. From the story of the semi-Ura An70 to the abandonment of our MiGs for India. In Omerig, this is what they call Lobbyism. I hope our weapons (whether it be the fleet, whether it be a car) will not inherit the disease of the “flying Pingiva” - “Craptor” (the Americans themselves christened it so, from the word: “Crap”) But, agree, this is a different story. Let the prosecutor jo tear off the back of the chair and get down to business.

        At the time of the decision, and this is 2008 after the events of 888 - Iveco was the prettiest machine in its class. And the whole story that happened next is akin to the proverb: give mud fool crystal MPH member, so he is not only passit’ll break, it’ll cut itself!
        This does not solve the issue of the quality of the pepelats. Flies separately, cutlets - too.
      2. bask
        bask 21 March 2013 19: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Rustam
        I thought that I would someday write it, but in connection with new circumstances, come

        Rustam .You are always right for all 100.%. The usual bureaucratic fun, to cut or not to cut. That's the question. ((Not Shakespeare)))
        Quote: dmitreach
        It seems to me that there will be no medical trot in the flesh. It's a pity.

        Today the infa passed that a gang was covered and destroyed in Dagestan. The FSB officer died. The memory was bright.
        We do not have armored medical cars in Russia. Only tin, loaves, and the question of providing first medical assistance to the wounded in a few minutes is a matter of life and death. And under fire or on the ground, as you can, you will receive qualified assistance. For 0-5 minutes, anti-shock therapy should be carried out and bleeding stopped. In order to transport the wounded to the hospital hospital.
        Without specialized medical transport just can not do.
        Medical machines ,, Tiger ,,,, Scorpio ,, I did not find. Let it be as an example
        IVECO LMT MEDEVAC
        JUST REQUIRED. !!!
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 21 March 2013 19: 38 New
          +1
          Yes, I do not argue that they are needed. It is obvious. They just did not seem to be purchased, in such a variation. And the scandal is connected with tax fraud, which does not indicate the import of medical car kits.
          1. bask
            bask 21 March 2013 19: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: dmitreach
            . They just did not seem to be purchased, in such a variation. A scandal is connected with tax fraud

            Here in this dmitreach, all and a member. As for saving the lives of soldiers and officers, no one was going to think.
            Just to cut the boblo. How much they need with .........
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 21 March 2013 20: 15 New
              +1
              Well, the thing has shifted, purely in Russian: the mole is a proud bird, until you kick it, it will not fly.
              Here you and Bears with Wolves, and Tigers with the rest of the zoo. In September, bridegrooms promise ...
        2. Rustam
          Rustam 21 March 2013 19: 43 New
          +2
          I said that hundreds are different - let them be medical! After all, Serdyuk is being sewed for fraud at customs, and these mean that they were imported to Remdizels correctly? wink

          but what is needed there is understandable - but the acromia BTR-82a, the tiger SPM and the half-armored Urals and KAMAZ are not there

          although give an order to AMZ they will do the same SPM medical, but this is not included in the plans of some gentlemen
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 21 March 2013 20: 00 New
            +1
            but it’s not included in the plans of some gentlemen

            Felix is ​​not on them! Sunny Magadan is, Felix is ​​not. Bastrykin is not Felix, a single "red terror", for specific "class enemies" - will not pull.
            1. bask
              bask 21 March 2013 20: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: dmitreach
              Felix is ​​not on them

              Felix is ​​there. But he doesn’t want to go to the site. He, I and MET said it’s useless. Why, I don’t know.
        3. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2013 20: 51 New
          0
          Quote: bask
          We have no armored medical vehicles in Russia

          Why are they needed? To the helicopter, vehicles based on MT-LB and MT-LBU are delivered perfectly. On a tank chassis, but with a front exit ...
          And helicopters like Ka-60, so as not to chase after one wounded Mi-8.
          1. bask
            bask 21 March 2013 21: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            To the helicopter, vehicles based on MT-LB and MT-LBU are delivered perfectly.

            Have you wounded in your arms dying?
            1. bask
              bask 21 March 2013 21: 55 New
              0
              Quote: bask
              helicopters like Ka-60, so as not to chase one wounded Mi-8.

              Everything hangs. And if the weather is bad? Night fog, rain 0-visibility in the mountains.
              MT-LB, in view of the complete absence of anti-mine and ballistic protection, should not be allowed to approach the combat zone closer than one hundred cells. And the height of the hull does not allow qualified to do this ((. Lying, or something.))
              That's what specialized armored cars are needed for. That would be on the spot, to provide medical assistance for a long time., Up to 6 hours there is still a chance.
              For this, you need equipment and personnel. If you have a head wound, then make an intubation of the lungs and start artificial ventilation of the lungs., Infusion therapy. Hold out until the arrival of the helicopter, or delivery to the hospital hospital.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 March 2013 22: 49 New
                0
                Quote: bask
                Everything hangs. And if the weather is bad? Night fog, rain 0-visibility in the mountains.

                Then the wounded will die. Because taking it on the road is not an option. You yourself know about the "golden hour"
                However, it is unlikely that anyone will be able to recall at least one case when helicopter pilots refused to fly due to bad weather and so on. They would rather die themselves than refuse to evacuate the wounded, they have their own principles.
                Another thing is that helicopter pilots should put more advanced systems that allow them to fly in any weather. It will be much more effective than armored honey. Iveco
              2. bask
                bask 21 March 2013 23: 18 New
                +2
                BMP Nexter. With a medical unit. Protection and everything necessary for rendering to two lying wounded.
                We just need a similar armored vehicles.

            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 March 2013 22: 52 New
              0
              Yes. But there, no Iveco would help.
              1. bask
                bask 21 March 2013 23: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Yes. But there, no Iveco would help.

                With equipment, not everyone, but helped
                Quote: Spade
                It’s not a matter of fact that helicopter pilots should deliver more advanced systems that allow them to fly in any weather

                We are talking about today. When ,, turntables ,, will be all-weather, another thing.
                And even then. Such armored vehicles are not replaceable. In essence, this is an ambulance in combat conditions. No one is going to refuse from ambulance.
                Pain and shock should be removed within the first minutes, max. Up to an hour.
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 21 March 2013 21: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: Rustam
        Now I became an ardent opponent of the adoption of this unit in our Ministry of Defense


        I boldly respect those who recognize .....
  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 21 March 2013 12: 40 New
    +6
    Someone here fiercely defended this armored car, claiming that this was almost the top of scientific and technological progress in lightly armored vehicles.
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 21 March 2013 12: 42 New
      13
      vladsolo56 , like who? Our Israeli friends smile
      1. axpert2008
        axpert2008 21 March 2013 12: 46 New
        +8
        Do not wake Pimple, the atoms do not come out of the stream of his stories ....
      2. dmitreach
        dmitreach 21 March 2013 16: 27 New
        +3
        I ALWAYS defended him the same. From the principle. I am interested in a car from a sports addiction, but I have not seen real tests. To haul a car that has not passed comparative tests is not in Russian. Just do not show the "custom" video about the snow. Any sane driver will ask Over1001 a question after viewing.
        And this is despite the fact that in Russia there are Nivolyubs, and UAZadela, and jEEPvods, and Kukuuzery, and finally "every creature has a pair"! And all together shitagitate in His Faith, despite the over 9000 competitions held.
        So: You give the race, a'la "Spring Call 2013, with Iveco Lynx vs Tiger"! and there it will be seen.
    2. bddrus
      bddrus 21 March 2013 12: 53 New
      +2
      it does not make sense to defend it - no one has conducted comparative tests, all the more so on our side there is no serial car of this kind - if it will be in 2-3 years.
    3. Bort radist
      Bort radist 21 March 2013 13: 56 New
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Someone here fiercely defended this armored car, claiming that this was almost the top of scientific and technological progress in lightly armored vehicles.

      At such moments, they dissolve in space and in time.
  3. Tartary
    Tartary 21 March 2013 12: 44 New
    +3
    Rearrangement maneuver, i.e. the machine, on any surface, must perform a sharp rearrangement to the width of the base and not lose stability ...
    The short MMS Pajero in a square body suffered such a loss ...
    Mitsubishi - the company, according to conversations, refers to the military-industrial complex of Japan.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 21 March 2013 12: 55 New
      +4
      according to the description, the situation is simple - the driver at high speed lost control and flew out of the way.
    2. kostella85
      kostella85 21 March 2013 13: 37 New
      +1
      Any car with a high center of gravity will fail during a “rearrangement”. No need to drive !!!!
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 21 March 2013 14: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: kostella85
        Any car with a high center of gravity will fail during a “rearrangement”. Drive neh ...... th !!!

        I agree with this, but the problem is not that this car turned upside down, but that the person inside died, and this should not happen, if the crew dies there in peacetime, what can we say about combat conditions ..
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 21 March 2013 14: 54 New
          +1
          That people perish is always sad, both in peacetime and in wartime! Only here it’s not the car, guys with a breeze wanted to ride, everyone understands the result ......
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 21 March 2013 21: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: kostella85
        Any car with a high center of gravity will fail during a “rearrangement”. No need to drive !!!!


        Maybe in the army "any" is not necessary?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2013 22: 54 New
          +1
          Have you ever seen a BRDM-2 tilt sideways? I have seen twice. With proper stupidity, you can even turn a tank over.
  4. Goga
    Goga 21 March 2013 12: 46 New
    +7
    Yes, one more Serdyukov’s setup, such as the Mistral - it’s guessing - to invest pennies not in Russian but in Italian production ... angry
    1. starpom
      starpom 21 March 2013 12: 51 New
      +5
      Kickbacks are harder to track.
  5. bddrus
    bddrus 21 March 2013 12: 51 New
    +9
    because of the accident such a loud headline. if you focus on it, then it’s full of rollers and with inverted tanks. And then there’s an online blog with a newspaper - the ultimate authority
  6. Takashi
    Takashi 21 March 2013 12: 52 New
    +3
    his center of gravity is high))) to increase stability - do you need to increase the area?
  7. amp
    amp 21 March 2013 12: 55 New
    +2
    Marshal Taburetkin doesn’t give a damn ..... but the armor is soft and sawn well. ))))
  8. Snegovok
    Snegovok 21 March 2013 12: 56 New
    +3
    This is already evident, the center of gravity is high and, accordingly, tipping over. Well, about the falsification there is nothing unexpected. The Italians are masters of kickbacks, this is a well-known fact.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 21 March 2013 12: 58 New
      0
      about falsification - do you trust the French military Internet blog so? in the geyropa, however, some pi ... sy
  9. Dangerous
    Dangerous 21 March 2013 13: 06 New
    10
    Valkaya Lynx, and what should it be? With a clearance of 10 cm to pass at a speed of 200 km / h? The soldiers frivolously lost control, so they flew away, and how much noise!
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 21 March 2013 13: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Dangerous
      The warriors didn’t cope with control, so they flew away,

      And how, for example, in such a situation, when you need to quickly get out of the shelling with maneuvering? It's not a "corn-picker" for driving on curbs in the city. This is a fighting vehicle
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 March 2013 13: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        But how, for example, in such a situation when you need to quickly get out of the shelling with maneuvering?

        Well, not at 80km / h. Where such speed can be developed in battle conditions, well, only if not an ambush on the highway?
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 21 March 2013 13: 43 New
          +3
          No one knows what the ball was, and what the road is. Here it is a matter of talent - you can flip a Formula 1 car too !!!! laughing
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 21 March 2013 16: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          . Where such speed can be developed in battle conditions, well, only if not an ambush on the highway?

          Well so situeviny different can be winked
      2. kostella85
        kostella85 21 March 2013 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        But how, for example, in such a situation when you need to quickly get out of the shelling with maneuvering?

        Here either "high-speed maneuvering" or cross-country ability, there is no third!
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 21 March 2013 18: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: kostella85
          Here either "high-speed maneuvering" or cross-country ability, there is no third!

          don’t ride in the snow - you’ll get stuck, don’t accelerate, or else you’ll roll over and hurt yourself to death, and without enemy help. What a third is not given, nothing is given to him at all, unless, only to cut grandmothers, that’s all his “lynx” purpose.
    2. ultra
      ultra 21 March 2013 14: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Dangerous
      Valkaya Lynx, and what should it be? With a clearance of 10 cm to pass at a speed of 200 km / h?
      Absolutely agree! hi
  10. Varies
    Varies 21 March 2013 13: 09 New
    -1
    Soap stool !!! 111adynadyn
  11. BARKAS
    BARKAS 21 March 2013 13: 10 New
    0
    Now it will be necessary to promptly bring this case and the reasons for what happened into the training course of our drivers on these cars, and you never know what!
  12. Chukcha
    Chukcha 21 March 2013 13: 13 New
    +3
    Who knows what the road was in February and which one drove it?
  13. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 21 March 2013 13: 27 New
    +4
    give our Wolf, Bear ...
  14. amp
    amp 21 March 2013 13: 40 New
    -1
    for some reason our armored car is called the Tiger, although it could be called the Bear.
  15. kontrol
    kontrol 21 March 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    on one occasion nothing can be said - any machine is tipped over under certain conditions. another thing is that the machine itself is somehow not very ...
  16. paul33
    paul33 21 March 2013 13: 48 New
    +4
    "During the tests on February 23, 2011" Lynx "February 23 is a terrible date for NATO equipment crying
  17. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 21 March 2013 14: 19 New
    +2
    Yes, one ovary does not say anything, but I always said that we do not need these tarantai from Iveco.
  18. zao74
    zao74 21 March 2013 14: 23 New
    0
    Yes, and a pebble could get caught ... Let the engineers count.
  19. Slevinst
    Slevinst 21 March 2013 14: 42 New
    +3
    As a result, seven officials who were supposed to test the “dynamic stability of the vehicle,” including Antonio Guicciardino, director of the Ground Arms Directorate, were suspected of falsifying test reports before taking the machine into service.

    One accident and then a reaction, we would have hushed up and shoved everything to the driver, I really want to return Stalin’s times when you could lose your head for any kind of jamb, and the officers had the honor, you can’t force an artist to make plumbing, work if it doesn’t last long
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 21 March 2013 14: 56 New
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      Quote: Slevinst
      One accident and then a reaction, we would have hushed up and shoved everything to the driver,

      Here I agree, with the Italian example you need to take !!!!
  20. saygon66
    saygon66 21 March 2013 15: 04 New
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    -It is generally unclear how it was possible to purchase equipment produced by a likely enemy! In this case, the combat readiness of these machines will depend on the supply of spare parts! It is another matter to acquire a license for the production of such equipment, and then on condition that it is better than domestic! Scam, definitely ...
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 21 March 2013 17: 31 New
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      Quote: saygon66
      In this case, the combat readiness of these machines will depend on the supply of spare parts!

      “There is an idea that in critical conditions no one delivered spare parts to us. But the armed struggle is very short-term, the products are quickly disposed of during the war,” the president said, adding that in this case spare parts are simply not needed..topwar.ru / 19391-oboronka-v-pervuyu-ochered-budet-zakupat-otechestvennuyu-tehnik
      u-putin.html
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 21 March 2013 18: 10 New
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        -Subordination does not allow to challenge ... However, what is the idea ...
    2. NAPOLEON
      NAPOLEON 21 March 2013 18: 32 New
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      Silveo sidekick Vova lol so we will ride in ivek soldier
    3. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 22 March 2013 10: 50 New
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      A report was shown on the box for the anniversary of the withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan. There our journalist and several veterans of that war simply drove to the places where they themselves were. Convoys often spoke through it in one village. Here we immediately went to the chronicle of our convoy. not very big and the like, And here the most interesting The cars appeared on the road and rushed decently The conductors immediately got worried said it was better not to be an eyesore, Four Hamers flew just a pillar of dust, Following an armored car at the same speed and then Amerov trucks about twenty pieces too fast for they are also armored cars and hamers, the aul flew in minutes and not a single face was covered, And our veterans just shook their heads and said for us such speed as in a fairy tale, Even with this example you can see the difference
  21. kvodrato
    kvodrato 21 March 2013 16: 59 New
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    In Russia there should be our military equipment and a point.
  22. 120352
    120352 21 March 2013 17: 02 New
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    Serdyukov to the answer!
  23. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 21 March 2013 17: 19 New
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    This once again shows the incompetence of some commentators.
    Well, commentator, no one knows him (maybe this person is an employee of the Western cyber division), but where did the leadership from the Ministry of Defense look at, buying Western junk on a massive scale?
  24. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 21 March 2013 17: 30 New
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    Quote: Ivan Tarasov
    and where did the leadership from the Ministry of Defense look, buying huge amounts of Western junk?
    they pulled glasses on the green balls and they didn’t see any of those bucks) well, maybe you should take advantage of this fact and try to play back? at least for the sake of lives and not money
  25. Smaug
    Smaug 21 March 2013 17: 41 New
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    It was easier for a businessman in the post of minister to outbid any junk than to supervise the production of the military-industrial complex.
  26. bddrus
    bddrus 21 March 2013 18: 14 New
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    if from stupid screams about a stool, the case would get off the ground, I would only
  27. saygon66
    saygon66 21 March 2013 18: 43 New
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    twower.livejournal.com/611021.html link to the article on "Lynx"
    1. bask
      bask 21 March 2013 21: 13 New
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      Quote: saygon66
      wower.livejournal.com/611021.html link to the article on "Lynx"

  28. bask
    bask 21 March 2013 23: 45 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Yes. But there, no Iveco would help.

    Me too. Anger took that you can but have nothing to help .. There is no equipment. That's not all with this equipment, but they helped
    Quote: Spade
    It’s not a matter of fact that helicopter pilots should deliver more advanced systems that allow them to fly in any weather

    We are talking about today. When ,, turntables ,, will be all-weather, another thing.
    And even then. Such armored vehicles are not replaceable. In essence, this is an ambulance in combat conditions. No one is going to refuse from ambulance.
    Pain and shock should be removed within the first minutes, max. Up to an hour.