Urgently to the front: Nizhny Novgorod's "Sadko 9"

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Urgently to the front: Nizhny Novgorod's "Sadko 9"
Pre-production "Sadko 9"


In place of "Shishiga"


The niche of a light tactical truck is currently vacant in the Russian Army. We are talking, first of all, about the successors of the famous GAZ-66, the production of which ended in 1999. "Shishiga" turned out to be both a legendary and a controversial vehicle.



On the one hand, unique for its class cross-country ability and dynamics. On the other hand, exotic ergonomics of the driver's workplace with the gearshift lever behind the back, impressive fuel consumption and a relatively small load capacity. In addition, the GAZ-66 was distinguished by weak anti-mine resistance, which is why the car was effectively excluded from the war in Afghanistan. A light truck with a cabin directly above the front axle is a deliberately losing option in the confrontation with mines.

The above-mentioned disadvantages cannot be called the developers’ mistakes. The reason is in the initially strict requirements for the truck’s design, determined by the Airborne Forces’ requests. It was the airborne troops that needed an airborne and, most importantly, airdroppable truck. In the struggle for the body’s capacity with limited dimensions, the cabin was mounted on the front axle, which determined the vulnerability of the “Shishiga”. There was simply no diesel engine of the appropriate dimensions to replace the gluttonous 8-cylinder carburetor engine – this problem was never solved until the mid-90s. Nevertheless, more than 1964 thousand “Shishigas” were produced from 1999 to 960.


But the GAZ-66 business did not perish. In 1996, the bonnet 2-ton GAZ-33097 "Sadko" came onto the scene. Many things were fixed in the car. The cabin behind the front axle was safer than the previous one in case of a mine explosion, and several diesel engines in the production range provided comparative economy with responsiveness. In addition, the aggregate base of the "Sadko" echoed the "Shishiga", which simplified repairs and operation in the troops. Unification of the cabin with the civilian GAZ-3309 reduced the costs of producing the car in Nizhny Novgorod.

"Sadko" was accepted into service, and not only in Russia. The Syrian military received 2000 trucks in the mid-140s, and the GAZ all-terrain vehicle is also found in the armies of Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan and the Philippines. The military "Sadko" has long been discontinued in Nizhny Novgorod, but a number of vehicles still serve in the Russian Army. Their service life is short. However, there is no adequate replacement for the "Sadko" and, apparently, no plans are in place. A paradoxical situation is developing, when the niche of a light tactical truck with a carrying capacity of 2-3 tons in the Russian Army is not occupied.




The two-axle KAMAZ trucks of the Mustang family turned out to be somewhat overweight, which is inevitable when trying to make a light vehicle out of a heavy one.

One step higher are the two-axle KamAZ trucks – 4350 and 43501. The latter is not the most successful attempt to adapt a heavy truck from Naberezhnye Chelny for the Airborne Forces. The KamAZ-43501 decided to play in an unusual niche for itself, and this is what came of it. With a load capacity of 3 tons, the unladen weight of the vehicle is 7,6 tons. For comparison, the GAZ-66 took 2 tons in the back, but pulled 3,5 tons in the unladen state. Therefore, it is impossible to talk about a full-fledged replacement of the Shishiga with a vehicle from Naberezhnye Chelny. It is good that airborne parachute landings in the Russian Army have come to naught, and there is no urgent need for a lightweight KamAZ for the Airborne Forces. But the need for a light all-terrain truck in the army has not evaporated. For example, we can recall the success of the German Unimog, which was distributed to armies of the world in the amount of more than 150 thousand vehicles. A universal vehicle of this class, especially with a bonnet configuration, will find its place in the fields of a special military operation.

"Sadko 9"


As mentioned above, some of Russia's automobile production does not appear in the SVO through government purchases. Volunteers purchase new and used Gazelles and Nivas, but there is no talk of any adaptation of these vehicles in factory conditions for the needs of the army. At the same time, it is impossible to talk about saturating the front line with automobile equipment - drones и artillery cause significant damage. As for the reasons for such detachment, one can assume that AvtoVAZ and GAZ do not want to fall under even more serious sanctions. For example, if the Chinese brothers refuse joint projects, then many components will again have to be imported. But this applies to a greater extent to the automobile plant in Tolyatti. The Nizhny Novgorod residents have long and quite successfully coped with international sanctions. Nevertheless, the main burden of the state defense order in the field of automobile manufacturing is borne by KAMAZ, Ural and UAZ. Although the Gorky Automobile Plant, from its very foundation in 1932, produced equipment that has been widely used in the Army at all times.






"Sadko 9"

The reason to remember the glorious military past of GAZ arose in connection with the appearance of a new modification of the ideological successor of the "Shishiga". But first about the regular "Sadko". The classic "Sadko-Next" is not a novelty for a long time, but it has not taken root in the Russian Army. Although it has been repeatedly exhibited at the "Army" forums. Now it is a neat two-axle truck, if necessary, equipped with a two-row cabin for 7 people. With a full weight of 6,85 tons, the load capacity reaches 3 tons.

And now the "Sadko 9" appears. From the index it is clear that the total mass is close to 9 tons, and the load capacity is close to 5 tons. Otherwise, it is almost a full format of the usual "Sadko-Next", only reinforced in almost everything. You can't think of anything better for frontline conditions. The car has high-profile tires with a centralized inflation system. For strength, they installed a reinforced rear axle - the beam thickness is increased by one and a half millimeters. The frame of the all-terrain vehicle was also reinforced.

An analysis of some design elements clearly indicates the initially civilian nature of the Sadko 9. For example, the rear air suspension, which allows the loading height to be reduced from 1450 to 1150 mm. This option is very controversial for the army, and the air springs themselves are vulnerable to bullets and shrapnel.

The vehicle, like the light Sadko-Next, is promised to be available with a two- and single-row cabin. The turbocharged diesel YaMZ-534 has been boosted specifically for the "nine" from 149 to 169 hp. Automotive journalists claim that the Sadko 9 has replaced the little-known GAZ-33086 Zemlyak truck. The new vehicle has a distinct advantage over its predecessor, with single-tire rear wheels. The Zemlyak was more suitable for agricultural work than for army life in many ways. Strengthening the Sadko 9 design can be seen not only as a requirement for greater load capacity, but also as a potential bonus when armoring the vehicle. An extra one and a half to two tons of armor steel will not critically affect the service life of the tough guy.




At Army-2024, experimental Sadkos for the army were presented, including in an armored version

What do we see as a bottom line? In the third year of the SVO, not all manufacturers are involved in the defense order. At the same time, we are seeing the emergence of civilian equipment that is in great demand at the fronts, but is not intended for military service. Such is the paradox. At the same time, volunteers are forced to send to the front frankly outdated vehicles produced in Nizhny Novgorod and Tolyatti. The appearance of the "Sadko 9" in the Russian Army also needs to be considered from different angles.

The vehicle is strong, comfortable and occupies an empty niche in the Russian Army. As does the Sadko-Next, by the way. Of course, it is possible to transport loads of up to 2-5 tons on KamAZ and Ural trucks, but this will be like shooting a cannon at sparrows. In the end, when two factories (in Nizhny Novgorod and Naberezhnye Chelny) work for the defense industry, there will be physically more trucks at the front. Which cannot but inspire the fighters. Let's not forget about the bonnet layout of the Sadko series, leaving up to a meter of living space in the event of a mine explosion. The vehicles from Naberezhnye Chelny do not have this bonus. At the same time, a new truck at the front is a new headache for suppliers and repairmen. The vehicle must undergo a unification procedure with the current combat vehicles in the North Military District. As a result, this will even make the Sadko 9 cheaper.

The all-terrain vehicle should go into production in Nizhny Novgorod in 2025, but so far there have been no News There is no information about the defense order for Sadko 9.
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  1. -32
    6 January 2025 05: 30
    The wheels on the car are terrible, they look like a bath basin from the USSR. It is not right to do this to transport in our time.
    1. +21
      6 January 2025 06: 03
      For the front, the type of wheels is not so important, the reliability and cross-country ability of the vehicle are much more important. The problem of providing the front with mobile transport has been brewing for some time, and I want to believe that through the state defense order it will be solved with benefit for both the army and the plant.
      1. +3
        6 January 2025 09: 56
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        I would like to believe that through the state defense order the problem will be solved to the benefit of both the army and the plant.

        Let's hope that the MoD customers are not so "sensitive" to Western sanctions, and that there will be state defense orders. sad
      2. +3
        6 January 2025 17: 07
        The wheel size there is idiotic - 22,5 inches - this is a common size everywhere. As well as 19,5 and 17,5 for the army in particular. They seem to have started putting 21 on KamAZ trucks. Where are the standard 18 for lawns and 20 for the rest?! Even the most popular segment is no longer a source of new equipment. What's the point of larger tire sizes if the brakes are the same size?! Yes, even for trucks it's important. Now if the armored body from the Tiger was put on the GAZ Sadko 9 chassis - that would be a different matter. As there is a shot on the KamAZ base (analogous to the BTR-152) - what's the problem with putting the front part (engine and driver protection) and just putting a flatbed body in the back?! Where are the Wolves?! Further development of the Tiger?! Is the suspension complicated?! It was also possible to make a truck with a GAZ-3309 or Sadko Next cabin for civilians on the Tiger chassis - this is also not the case. And there would be a bomb - independent suspension which no one else in this class of trucks in the Russian Federation has. Cash-in-transit versions of UAZ written-off banks could be sent to the same army - but no one has seen anything like this... As well as new armored UAZs for the army.
    2. +16
      6 January 2025 06: 11
      Quote: Word
      The wheels on the car are terrible, they look like a bath basin from the USSR. It is not right to do this to transport in our time.

      Well, of course, it's embarrassing to look at! And why the manufacturer didn't put the casting on a UTILITARY off-road truck is absolutely incomprehensible... fool
    3. +6
      6 January 2025 08: 33
      Wheels are just wheels. The Land Cruisers that the thugs in slippers with Kalashnikovs drive around the desert on are stamped. Why? Because the old version of this all-terrain vehicle is produced precisely because there is a demand for a simple, reliable and extremely cheap jeep. A sort of UAZ "Hunter" in Japanese. Until recently, even the old "Defenders" were produced. Precisely because of their utility, simplicity and reliability. Like the Gelendvagens.
      And for gentlemen with money we can see 300th Land Cruisers, Range Rovers and G-Classes with monocoque bodies.
      1. +3
        6 January 2025 13: 17
        They put a stamp. Why?
        Because it can be repaired with a hammer.
  2. +12
    6 January 2025 06: 08
    According to the experience of the SVO, without armor this machine, even in the near rear, faces a lot of threats. And so, indeed, the war is in its third year, and there is no sign of economic mobilization...
    The jump in inflation can't be considered a mobilization...
  3. -5
    6 January 2025 06: 23
    The reason is the initially strict truck design requirements, conditioned requests from the Airborne Forces.
    belay So-so, they made it for 100 thousand airborne troops, and the entire Armed Forces got to eat it...
    1. +1
      6 January 2025 19: 31
      In my opinion, even during Brezhnev’s times, the number of airborne troops was less than 100 thousand.
  4. 0
    6 January 2025 06: 25
    KAMAZ-43501...With a load capacity of 3 tons, the unladen weight of the vehicle is 7,6 tons.
    Sadko 9...full weight is approaching 9 tons

    The author is talking nonsense, either 7,6 tons is too much, or 9 tons plus armor of 1,5-2 tons is normal. Is it worth the fuss? It's an extra headache for logistics.
    1. bar
      +10
      6 January 2025 08: 45
      And think about it? The unladen weight of the Kamaz is 7,6 with a load capacity of 3 tons. Total 10,6 tons. The unladen weight of the Sadko is 3,93 with a load capacity of 5 tons. If you reduce the load capacity to the Kamaz 3 tons and replace it with armor, you will get a normal armored car that is more than one and a half tons lighter than the Kamaz, which is just a self-propelled vehicle.
  5. +9
    6 January 2025 07: 13
    Once again, the question arises about the technical competence of those who must formulate the performance characteristics and state orders for the supply of equipment for the army, and not only. I read somewhere that in the department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade that did this with respect to the Baikal aircraft, there was not a single person with a specialized education. It seems that the same is true in this case.
    1. bar
      -2
      6 January 2025 09: 23
      Quote: avia12005
      Once again, the question arises about the technical competencies of those who must formulate the performance characteristics and state orders for the supply of equipment for the army, and not only.

      It's not a matter of competence here, but rather politics. It seems our guarantor is simply afraid of spoiling relations with Minnikhanov once again. That's where it all comes from.
      1. +2
        6 January 2025 15: 28
        Quote: bar
        to spoil relations with Minnikhanov once again. This is where it all comes from.

        Actually, KAMAZ is part of a state corporation, and GAZ is a private company. And no politics or conspiracy theories.
    2. -1
      6 January 2025 15: 42
      And what about our top brass in general with competencies? It seems that there is only one competence - to do nothing, and when it brings, they start to pretend to be vigorously active so that they are forgotten.
  6. +16
    6 January 2025 07: 38
    The GAZ-66 was not only intended for the Airborne Forces. There were many special vehicles based on the Shishiga. But I want to talk about the base. Does this Sadko have cam differentials? And it was these differentials that provided fantastic cross-country ability. And the cardan joint at the axles in the casing? It was this casing that protected the hinge from dirt and dust. And where is the most important device that turns the truck into a technical assistance and a truck crane, with a primitive boom of 2 pipes, and, accordingly, into a super all-terrain vehicle? And this is the most powerful winch, as they sometimes simply called "Swan" with a traction of 4 tons, i.e. the Shishiga could lift itself, well, like Baron Munchausen ....
    1. +2
      6 January 2025 17: 18
      The differentials are the same as in 66. There are now disc brakes on the axles instead of drums. The universal joint protection is also there. But it seems that it is no longer possible to install an arrow on the bumper - there are no hooks for it. I saw a winch in a casing on Sadko. I don't know if it's mechanical or electric, I drove past one. I looked at the rest on a car parked there near the car dealership. The hood should be made there like the latest ZILs, so that it opens forward entirely with the wings without headlights (they could be adjusted more easily, like changing light bulbs). Yes, the windshield should be inserted without rubber bands - but that's not technologically advanced (it's better to leave the truck in a warm place for a day when replacing the glass, right?!).
  7. +5
    6 January 2025 09: 17
    Drivers in the RUSSIAN FEDERATION are not endless, therefore the troops must receive equipment with anti-mine and fragmentation protection, at a minimum.
    1. -1
      6 January 2025 11: 53
      First of all, we need cars with the ability to drive without a driver. And that means we need an automatic transmission.
      1. -1
        6 January 2025 12: 45
        What's stopping you from attaching an electric drive? You just need to make the switching circuit linear.
        1. +2
          6 January 2025 13: 52
          They already adapted it on the "Platform - O". What the hell is an electric drive for in a car during a war.
      2. +3
        6 January 2025 12: 58
        I would like to see how such a robot would go through swamps or salt marshes)))
        1. -1
          6 January 2025 18: 00
          How should this be understood? That is, you are against the introduction of unmanned vehicles in the army?
          1. -1
            7 January 2025 07: 37
            I just can't imagine them moving on such soils.
  8. +9
    6 January 2025 09: 21
    If author was in Afghanistan, he would know that the "shishiga" was highly valued there. Because it is light and hence has excellent cross-country ability. It was necessary to install a diesel engine with a normal gearbox on the "shishiga", well, the cabin should be redesigned for greater convenience of the driver and passenger. Judging by the photo, with such a long hood, there is no particular difference with the cabover layout. So, those in the cabin will suffer almost the same.
    1. +3
      6 January 2025 15: 33
      Oboronavto suggested it. Actually, there is an article about this option here. But, apparently, it is more technologically efficient to make a new armored car, and not to remake an old Shishiga from storage. Actually, the work on the GAZ armored car "Storm" and active deliveries of conditionally GAZ Spartaks hint at this.
      1. +1
        6 January 2025 18: 37
        There was no need to remove the "shishiga" from the assembly line and that's it, no need to invent anything. What was needed was a good, light diesel (possibly with turbocharging) - there are plenty of those. At least an "Iveco", at least one of ours. A normal gearbox, because "catching" gears on the "shishiga" was a real pain in the ass. Well, and a more comfortable cabin. All this did not require rebuilding the assembly line.
    2. 0
      6 January 2025 15: 41
      Correction - Assault machine. Here's what Pashalok wrote about it: https://dzen.ru/a/Ztti66fHcxO775DW
    3. +2
      6 January 2025 17: 24
      The cabin of the Nexts from Gazelles to Gazon and Ural is equally comfortable. The cabin is just a little higher than the 3309 and wider, so it seems that the hood is short - the engine can be removed without removing the cabin, like on the ZIL Bychka. The main problem is that the windshield has a strong slope (if it were armor-resistant, that would be one thing) - glare from the glass is clearly visible from above. A gift for reconnaissance drones.
      1. +2
        6 January 2025 18: 20
        Quote: Victor Alien
        The main problem is that the frontal tilt is too strong
        It has a cabin from a GAZelle, only a hood was attached, hence the slope of the windshield.
        1. +2
          6 January 2025 21: 35
          I know. That's why there's a problem. It's not for nothing that they try to tilt the glass either vertically or slightly in the opposite direction - BAZ, MZKT and the like. That's why there won't be a Sadko 9 in the army with a civilian cabin. Although where there is no front, PAZ buses are used and that's okay. You just need to separate front-line vehicles from the rest. There are also few MLRS with an armored cabin yet. So, war, no matter how you look at it, is the disposal of old weapons and tactics of use. And neither the hood nor the armor will save you against mines - only demining. However, any armor is not a panacea. And in light-weight equipment, this is especially unnecessary. Silence and low visibility due to heat - yes. But then again, there will never be absolute invisibility and safety in war.
  9. +3
    6 January 2025 09: 53
    Quote: avia12005
    I read somewhere that in the department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade that did this with respect to the Baikal aircraft, there was not a single person with a specialized education. It seems that the same is true in this case.

    What a surprise! There is not a single agricultural specialist in the leadership of the Ministry of Agriculture - only financiers.
    1. 0
      6 January 2025 18: 27
      Quote: Dozorny_ severa
      There is not a single agricultural specialist in the leadership of the Ministry of Agriculture - only financiers.
      In Sochi power grids, for example, the head of the power grids was appointed with an agronomist education, and during the same period, the higher management, who sat in Kuban, was a former policeman. Apparently, such an education is suitable for leading in the energy sector.
  10. +6
    6 January 2025 09: 55
    Quote: Konnick
    GAZ-66 was intended not only for the Airborne Forces.

    The MSB-GAZ-66 is a standard vehicle in mortar batteries.
  11. +6
    6 January 2025 10: 04
    For all these artistic acts he should have been put up against the wall a long time ago.
    Everything has been thought out long ago. BTR-40. That's what's missing - a load-bearing armored hull.
    But this is not the path of effective managers! You need to cover a ready-made chassis of a civilian truck with roofing iron, stick on huge double-glazed windows, without armored shutters, attach welded bumpers of complex shape, decorate all this with LEDs like gypsies, etc.
    The result is a dinosaur with enormous height, mass and low stability due to the high center of gravity. There is no need to even think about technology.
    1. +4
      6 January 2025 10: 14
      Everything has already been thought of long ago. BTR-40.

      Yes, we remember well that in that civilized country they thought about unification.
      1. 0
        6 January 2025 15: 43
        Quote: Konnick
        in that civilized country they also thought about unification

        This is the one where almost a dozen different tanks were in service at the same time?
    2. +4
      6 January 2025 15: 57
      Quote: Dozorny_ severa
      Everything has been thought out long ago. BTR-40. That's what's missing - a load-bearing armored hull.

      Who came up with it? Bloggers whose opinions change like a weather vane 10 times a year? Maybe we should also suggest a cart and horses as a long-invented means? Does it matter that the BTR-40 has not been produced for 50 years and was still a rarity in the late 80s? Does it matter that the chances of getting injured if it blows up are significantly higher than in the same Tiger?
      The fact that modern armored vehicles are made with the expectation of survival in the event of a mine or landmine explosion is probably not necessary. As for the "double-glazed windows" - the fact that this dramatically increases visibility is not taken into account. Height and weight are also the result of technical specifications and design solutions: it is necessary to provide protection in the event of a mine explosion and manufacturability - we take parts from a serial truck, provide high ground clearance, high ceiling, false floors, etc. All this is the result of understanding military experience and the requirement of the military since the 80s, since Afghanistan. And you can't get blast-proof transport without this.
      As for "technological efficiency" - here you need to know the meaning of this word correctly - the use of components from serial machines in production is already "technological efficiency".
      1. -2
        6 January 2025 16: 04
        blast-proof transport

        And were there many cases of mine or landmine explosions in the SVO?
        1. -1
          6 January 2025 16: 11
          Quote: Konnick
          And were there many cases of mine or landmine explosions in the SVO?

          More than a lot. There are now more ways of remote mining. And both sides - the enemy and ours - use them. There are also a lot of photos and videos of damaged equipment on mines on the Internet from the front. As well as many positive reviews regarding domestic transport that has at least minimal protection from explosions. This is not to mention the fact that in addition to mines, such transport also protects from close shell explosions (at a certain distance, but it protects). The main thing here is not to go to extremes - otherwise you can create a very well-protected transport, but with a weak engine and low cross-country ability.
          1. 0
            7 January 2025 02: 59
            There are also a lot of photos and videos of damaged equipment on mines on the Internet from the front

            But for some reason I haven't seen it. From drone attacks, yes, there are, but from mine explosions... give me some link
            1. 0
              7 January 2025 13: 41
              I don't save them on purpose. From the latest, yesterday I came across an eyewitness's opinion that the civilian is being knocked out by mining roads. In general, this is talked about more often. The same Razvedos (though not a fan), but in an interview about transport, sometimes appears on the Sith's TG channel (the photo above is from there), etc. This topic is simply less spectacular, but in connection with the jumpy pace of drone development, it is no less relevant. Drones, as a means, in principle, have come a long way in 10 years from reconnaissance aircraft, which were jammed by everyone up to irregulars, to a means of remote mining, supply and supplement to artillery, etc.
      2. -1
        6 January 2025 19: 14
        Enough of this nonsense already - the main damaging factor now is the blast wave and shrapnel - losses from mines are negligible. Capitalists just don't want to develop specialized chassis. By the way, a welded load-bearing hull is more resistant to mines, and an extra 30-70 cm doesn't solve anything.
        1. 0
          6 January 2025 19: 30
          Quote: Dozorny_ severa
          Enough of this nonsense already - the main damaging factor now is the blast wave and shrapnel - losses from mines are negligible. Capitalists just don't want to develop specialized chassis

          Well, that's a tough case.
  12. BAI
    +1
    6 January 2025 10: 47
    With a lifting capacity of 3 tons, the vehicle's unladen weight is 7,6 tons.

    An example of how not to make trucks. In Soviet times, there was a story that for this very reason Mercedes called the Kraz an example of how not to make a truck - it carries less than it weighs.
    And if Gaz is afraid of sanctions, let him give the car to UAZ. He has nothing to lose. Especially since Gaz stole the Gazel from UAZ - now back, as compensation
    1. +1
      6 January 2025 17: 37
      Only Mercedes did not carry a two-fold overload in the absence of roads as current. But here - easily. I observed the same rear-wheel drive Gazons in collective farms - 7-8 tons of silage, 10 trips daily during harvesting. Grain 4-6 tons. On cinder blocks - MAZ 5551 carried 500 pieces of 10 tons with a load capacity of 8 tons and Gazon with an engine from MTZ stole the same 500 pieces of blocks with slipping from a place ... And Kraz-256 carried asphalt 25 tons instead of 15, and sometimes a lowboy with an excavator for 40 tons. My father worked at a motor depot, I saw a lot there. About 10 years ago, Kirovtsy were caught with 4-6 trailers carrying grain (there was an agreement with the traffic police). The Kirov tractors drove with manual transmission, one with automatic transmission - they got tired of repairs (the driver is most likely to blame here). In the fall, they brought a combine with a wide header - the same thing - it stood in repairs longer. Not all equipment suits us. Well, the requirements for drivers have also increased many times over. There are many things that can't be done on the knee.
  13. +4
    6 January 2025 13: 08
    The article is unclear about what. Complains about the overweight KAMAZ of 10 tons and immediately offers a GAZ of 9 tons as an alternative, it is good of course that the weight return has become better, 5 tons of load capacity is certainly better than 3 tons of KAMAZ, but the article began about the need for a light truck with a load capacity of 2 tons. So where is this truck? What can be offered in this niche? Has the author forgotten why he wrote the article?
  14. +1
    6 January 2025 13: 26
    It's all because some of our concerns have a fully paid lobby in the rotten ruling elite, they have all the orders, they can not bother themselves with something new and of course they modernize the old stuff, and others climb out of their skin and there is no sense, because there are no necessary people, the connection is not very good and so on. Everything is the same as with ordinary people and large companies. I do not understand the surprise in the article, do we not live in Russia?!!
    1. +1
      6 January 2025 14: 04
      Or maybe the opposite. Concerts are private and the state is not involved in their development, and pushing a truck into the Ministry of Defense is quite an adventure. And so - volunteers buy for cash and transfer to the troops.
  15. 0
    6 January 2025 14: 01
    I wish he had an armored cabin from the factory
  16. +1
    6 January 2025 14: 23
    Apparently, one of the strict requirements in the GAZ-66 was the mandatory creation of an uncomfortable driver's workplace. Namely, the location of the gearshift lever, convenient only for a circus macaque, but not for a person. The Soviet soldier had to steadfastly endure acquired scoliosis, wry neck and chronic shoulder dislocation. This design cretinism cannot be explained by anything else. I hope that the degenerate who approved the GAZ-66 cabin for production, drove in it all his life with a back curved into the letter "Z".
    1. +3
      6 January 2025 14: 59
      I drove this Shishiga and I don't understand why there are so many complaints about the inconvenient location of the gearshift lever. Only those who have never driven a Shishiga say this. It's a matter of habit. After 20-30 km, the hand itself finds the lever on the autopilot. Compared to the ZIL 131, the Shishiga was more comfortable to drive. The steering wheel is lighter, gear shifting is easier and clearer, and you can better understand the position of the wheels in the rut on the winter road.
      1. +2
        6 January 2025 15: 17
        I drove this Shishiga and I don’t understand why there are so many complaints about the inconvenient location of the gear lever.


        Necrophiles also don't understand why their activities don't find a response from citizens. And sadists also can't understand - after all, they really like what they do and they don't understand the attacks of society. And coprophiliacs can't understand why everyone is attacking them? So the Shigig lovers are perplexed! After all, you can also drive backwards! It's so convenient and cool! Well, almost like coprophilia and other "funny" things. Most of the Kulibins who got a GAZ66 for personal use, the first thing they did was make a human gearshift lever. I read a lot of forums in my time. Such "lovers" of driving like a macaque in a half-turn like you are a minority. And thank God. Still, there are more normal people than extravagant ones...
        1. +1
          6 January 2025 15: 36
          You yourself have not driven a Shishiga. You do not know whether it was convenient to drive. You look back at those who have built completely different cars on the basis of a Shishiga. The position of the gear lever is dictated by the layout. Without changing the layout, this lever cannot be moved anywhere.
          Typical opinion from the "sofa".
          1. +2
            6 January 2025 15: 49
            If they had made a gear shift for the "shishiga", the howling about the gearshift lever would have stopped immediately..., but no one, probably, was bothered.... like complicating something that is already good.
            1. 0
              6 January 2025 19: 07
              Such a cosmic complication! Three whole sticks and a couple of crosspieces! Horror!
              1. 0
                6 January 2025 19: 57
                well, not only "3 sticks...." but also the mechanism for tilting the cabin during maintenance, and where to attach and place all this.... Oh yeah, it also needs to be serviced... And another "+" is the selectivity of the mechanism, how accurately it will work.... At that time, they decided that it was simpler and more reliable. Here, in my opinion, is the answer about the three sticks
          2. -1
            6 January 2025 19: 01
            Yes, the typical opinion of a person who wants to be treated like a person, not an animal. The position of the lever is dictated by the cretin who invented it and the cretin who accepted this lever into production. Well, it happens that a cretin works at a plant or design bureau. This also happens. After all, you can’t just come up with a normal gearshift lever and backstage, you have to make a hole behind the driver’s seat and stick the lever in there directly. Because in this case you don’t have to think at all. Cretins don’t like to think. Throughout the history of the automobile industry, a huge number of cabover trucks have been created and produced. And only in the GAZ-66 did cretins think of making the gearshift lever behind the seat back...
            1. +2
              6 January 2025 21: 28
              It seems you haven't encountered the gear shift on Soviet cars.
              Have you ever driven a Soviet-style loaf of bread? There is a gear shifter there. It is a huge plus that they did not install a gear shifter on the Shishiga back then.
              Although they probably tried, but they got such a hassle that they said, well, screw it.
    2. +2
      6 January 2025 15: 53
      Absolutely no dislocations or back pain, you get used to it in three days and it doesn't bother you at all, I even went on long trips and slept in a hammock in the cabin, good responsiveness, low fuel consumption, why does everyone forget that this is a gasoline engine and an all-terrain vehicle, where you need to turn gears in the gearbox, transfer case, two reducers in the axles, consumption 25-27 l / 100 km, in fact 15-18 l / 100 km, speed up to 120 km / h easily, even with a kung and equipment, for example, the notorious Ural 375 with equipment had a consumption of 100 l / 100 km of high-octane A-93 and drove no more than 75 km / h downhill with 5 tons maximum, there is something to compare with .. P.S. An excellent car, not a match for today's fakes, who really ... exploited in all its forms, in all its guises knows it as an excellent, unpretentious and reliable rogue, easy and convenient to manage, a real comrade.
  17. +1
    6 January 2025 16: 15
    Review article by Yuri Pasholok on this armored "Sadko NEXT" in factory version
    Source: https://dzen.ru/a/Ztti66fHcxO775DW

    Armed cars and trucks with partial armor appeared before the First World War. Interest in them sometimes grows, sometimes decreases, usually this process is activated during local conflicts. Ironically, partially armored trucks and similar platforms for installing weapons are usually remembered not at the very top, but at a lower level. At the same time, manufacturers of military equipment periodically remind about such devices, showing them at various exhibitions. Not all of them go into production (usually they do not), but, as they say, water wears away a stone.

    One of the places where various new products among wheeled vehicles, including armored models, are constantly demonstrated is the international military-technical forum "Army". Often (almost every year) at some point a manufacturer necessarily shows what is called in English a gun truck. We are talking about armed trucks, usually with armored cabins. The Military-Industrial Company is also trying its hand at this field. At "Army-2024" it showed its vision of how to armor the "Sadko NEXT" truck.

    Nevertheless, the car is remarkable. And most importantly, it has a good chance of being mass-produced.
    The GAZ S41A23 Sadko NEXT 4x4 base periodically becomes an object for various alterations. And it is not surprising. If you dig a little into the past, you will find out that the predecessor of this machine is the GAZ-66. "Shishiga" is still one of the most popular platforms for the manufacture of gun trucks. In fact, in Afghanistan, the GAZ-66 most often became the base for the installation of the ZU-23-2. True, the truck was usually used (and is used) either completely without armor, or with various handicrafts.

    The current model is the successor of the GAZ-3308 "Sadko", not as well known as the "shishiga", but also widely used as a dumb truck. This model already has a "nose" cabin, which is more practical than the cabover GAZ-66. The idea of ​​reducing the length of the chassis due to the hood did not justify itself, and not for the first time. The history of the STZ-5, which even before the Great Patriotic War the military partially rejected and wanted a tractor with a bonnet configuration, was repeated several decades later. There is no need to talk about the "nose" versions of the GAZ-66 modernization.
    Current GAZ products are quite in demand among those who build armored vehicles. First of all, it is worth remembering the Buran family, which is produced by Nizhny Novgorod Aviation Society. Among their product line, there are models that are quite suitable for such a purpose. We can also remember another Nizhny Novgorod product - GAZ-66 MB. These machines were also offered in the version of gun trucks, however, this year they were not visible. In a word, the idea is hanging in the air, however, at the same time, at the front you can usually see completely different machines.

    In this sense, the idea implemented by the Arzamas Machine-Building Plant is more down-to-earth. They decided not to work for the long term and preferred to create something more suitable for serial production. Officially, the new product is called "GAZ S41A23 Sadko NEXT 4x4 truck with an armored cabin." However, on the blinds covering the radiator grille, you can see a nameplate with the inscription "Assault." Most likely, this is what the new product from Arzamas should really be called.
    Instead of producing another armored vehicle on the Sadko NEXT chassis, ARZ simply went and made an armored cabin for this chassis. This approach significantly simplifies the process of the possible launch of the vehicle into production. In fact, the vehicle itself is serial, the only thing left is to launch the cabins themselves into production. In addition to the interior, the hood and fuel tanks are also protected. In general, a gentleman's set, necessary for such vehicles on the front line.
    It should be noted that products from Arzamas have long been not only recognizable, but also very attractive in appearance. And the new product of "Army-2024" was no exception. Naturally, design is far from the most important parameter here, but it should be noted that "Shturm" looks very interesting. However, more important is the protection provided by this armored cabin. The cabin is protected from SVD bullet fire, the hood and fuel tanks withstand AKM bullets. The bottom is also declared to be protected from the detonation of an explosive device weighing up to 2 kg.
    Due to the armor protection, the unladen weight of the armored Sadko NEXT has increased from 4590 to 5600 kg. Accordingly, the load capacity has decreased from 3 to 1,8 tons. However, everyone understands that vehicles with such armored cabins are not designed to carry sacks of potatoes. As a rule, such a design implies use as a weapon carrier. This is how the predecessors of the "Shturm" are positioned (or were positioned, as luck would have it).

    Here is the new product presented not just as a truck. In the body there is a system for combating unmanned aerial vehicles, which has already been shown on other vehicles. More precisely, this is a mock-up sample. As for more real samples of weapons, here, first of all, the imagination draws the ZU-23-2. The "slingshot" is a completely typical equipment of such gun trucks. For heavier types of weapons, there are larger chassis samples, including the SAZP-57. This year, this gun truck was again at the VPK stand.

    Overall, the "Shturm" looks like a fairly mature, and most importantly, fairly simple product that could well become a serial model. The most important thing is that this is an armored cabin in the factory version, and not another modernization that will require reworking the chassis. It is clear that it is more profitable for the manufacturer to make changes, since then there will be more profit. But how many such products were on the "Army", and how many of them later became serial, is a rhetorical question.
    1. 0
      6 January 2025 17: 44
      Burans have not been seen anywhere except in magazines and at exhibitions. Garagashyan is only testing a simplified pickup truck without armor with a different frame - it is also unclear when it will go into production. His version without armor is needed at the front - like a Hummer, only it has more space. And it is cheap. But time...
      1. -1
        6 January 2025 18: 07
        In general, Burans were used in small quantities: they were spotted by Akhmat in 2022 in battles in Mariupol. But the manufacturer is small.

        Regarding the opinion about the Garagashyan vehicle, I have already voiced it and many do not like it, but this vehicle will not be mass produced. And for the role of a light tactical unarmored vehicle, IMHO, there is a fight between Plastun-TT and Ulan - both vehicles, judging by the media, were liked by the military and were modified taking into account their requirements. Both also use components from serial and currently produced vehicles.

        And the AMZ/GAZ Shturm, which is the subject of the article, is perfect for the role of a heavier army vehicle, as a vehicle on the chassis of a good serial off-road truck.
  18. +2
    6 January 2025 16: 43
    Quote: nerovnayadoroga
    Ural 375 with hardware consumption had 100 l/100 km of high-octane A-93 and drove no more than 75 km / h downhill with 5 tons maximum, there is something to compare with. P.S. An excellent car, not comparable to today's fakes, whoever really used it in all its forms, in all its guises knows it as an excellent, unpretentious and reliable off-roader, light and easy to operate, a real comrade.

    GAZ-66 had, medical with a kung, really had no problems with the box and its switching. Served as a driver on URAL 375N, a very interesting figure of 100/100 km. We drove URAL ourselves. I agree that such consumption could be if the full load is 7000 kg. and a standard trailer of 10000 kg. and on heavy soil. However, even the 66th in such conditions did not fit into 25 liters, and if you recalculate it for the transported weight, the GAZik will have a terrible fuel consumption.
    1. 0
      6 January 2025 17: 51
      The problem of fuel consumption in the army was the least of the problems while the price of fuel was low and it was not saved as it is now. Fuel consumption itself depends largely on the serviceability of the car and the skill of the driver. The rest has much less influence. For example, on my 21074 injector I once managed to drive 350 km on 16 liters (from an empty tank to a full one, I calculated by topping up), and on the 21102 I have never managed to drive less than 6,5 liters per 100 (anti-record 35 liters per 160 km on asphalt...).
  19. 0
    6 January 2025 18: 08
    .... At the same time, a new truck at the front is a new headache for suppliers and repairmen. The vehicle must undergo a unification procedure with existing combat vehicles in the SVO...
    With which vehicles should Sadko undergo unification? With KAMAZ? With Ural? Maybe with BAZ?
    1. 0
      7 January 2025 18: 15
      with Ural can be unified. If the army refuses the old Komaz V8. GAZ and Ural have a new line of inline sixes YaMZ (which have undergone import substitution). KAMAZ also has inline sixes two former from Kaminz 6,7 and 8,9 (they have increased volume on their bases) and a new 13-liter R6
      1. 0
        7 January 2025 22: 45
        Quote: Maxim
        can be unified with Ural.
        "Sadko" and "Ural" have too different weight categories. Unification of engines is possible only partially. Perhaps cabin elements, glass. Chassis, hardly.
        1. 0
          8 January 2025 17: 55
          the cabin module of the nexts is completely identical to the Gazelle next. If you take the Ural 4*4, then instead of the YaMZ six, they are now installing a four-cylinder YaMZ-535 with an increased volume of 5,1 liters instead of 4,4 liters in the YaMZ-534
          1. 0
            8 January 2025 20: 57
            Quote: Maxim
            The cabin module of the Next is completely identical to the Gazelle Next.
            This is if you use a non-armored version of the vehicles. If you armor the cabin, then the armor of vehicles of different weight categories will most likely differ (the heavier vehicle will have an emphasis on better protection, while the lighter one will have reasonable sufficiency). As for engines, there is only partial unification (in terms of spare parts).
            1. +1
              9 January 2025 21: 36
              Typhoons have a prefabricated panel cabin and this module can be updated. But the air suspension will most likely have to be abandoned. Armored versions come from the military-industrial complex
              Armored "Sadko NEXT" in factory version
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              October 5 2024
              GAZ S41A23 Sadko NEXT 4x4 truck with an armored cabin from ARZ (aka "Shturm"), a novelty of the "Army-2024" forum

              Armed cars and trucks with partial armor appeared before the First World War. Interest in them sometimes grows, sometimes decreases, usually this process is activated during local conflicts. Ironically, partially armored trucks and similar platforms for installing weapons are usually remembered not at the very top, but at a lower level. At the same time, manufacturers of military equipment periodically remind about such devices, showing them at various exhibitions. Not all of them go into production (usually they do not), but, as they say, water wears away a stone.

              Not everyone paid attention to this truck. It was parked a little further away.
              One of the places where various new products among wheeled vehicles, including armored models, are constantly demonstrated is the international military-technical forum "Army". Often (almost every year) at some point a manufacturer necessarily shows what is called in English a gun truck. We are talking about armed trucks, usually with armored cabins. The Military-Industrial Company is also trying its hand at this field. At "Army-2024" it showed its vision of how to armor the "Sadko NEXT" truck.

              Nevertheless, the car is remarkable. And most importantly, it has a good chance of being mass-produced.
              The GAZ S41A23 Sadko NEXT 4x4 base periodically becomes an object for various alterations. And it is not surprising. If you dig a little into the past, you will find out that the predecessor of this machine is the GAZ-66. "Shishiga" is still one of the most popular platforms for the manufacture of gun trucks. In fact, in Afghanistan, the GAZ-66 most often became the base for the installation of the ZU-23-2. True, the truck was usually used (and is used) either completely without armor, or with various handicrafts.

              At least the process of launching into production itself does not seem too complicated.
              The current model is the successor of the GAZ-3308 "Sadko", not as well known as the "shishiga", but also widely used as a dumb truck. This model already has a "nose" cabin, which is more practical than the cabover GAZ-66. The idea of ​​reducing the length of the chassis due to the hood did not justify itself, and not for the first time. The history of the STZ-5, which even before the Great Patriotic War the military partially rejected and wanted a tractor with a bonnet configuration, was repeated several decades later. There is no need to talk about the "nose" versions of the GAZ-66 modernization.

              Essentially, it is a Sadko Next with an armored cabin.
              Current GAZ products are quite in demand among those who build armored vehicles. First of all, it is worth remembering the Buran family, which is produced by Nizhny Novgorod Aviation Society. Among their product line, there are models that are quite suitable for such a purpose. We can also remember another Nizhny Novgorod product - GAZ-66 MB. These machines were also offered in the version of gun trucks, however, this year they were not visible. In a word, the idea is hanging in the air, however, at the same time, at the front you can usually see completely different machines.

              This body is quite understandable. The car is clearly positioned as a base for various weapons systems.
              In this sense, the idea implemented by the Arzamas Machine-Building Plant is more down-to-earth. They decided not to work for the long term and preferred to create something more suitable for serial production. Officially, the new product is called "GAZ S41A23 Sadko NEXT 4x4 truck with an armored cabin." However, on the blinds covering the radiator grille, you can see a nameplate with the inscription "Assault." Most likely, this is what the new product from Arzamas should really be called.

              Not only the cabin, but also the hood is protected with armor.
              Instead of producing another armored vehicle on the Sadko NEXT chassis, ARZ simply went and made an armored cabin for this chassis. This approach significantly simplifies the process of the possible launch of the vehicle into production. In fact, the vehicle itself is serial, the only thing left is to launch the cabins themselves into production. In addition to the interior, the hood and fuel tanks are also protected. In general, a gentleman's set, necessary for such vehicles on the front line.

              The tanks are also protected.
              It should be noted that products from Arzamas have long been not only recognizable, but also very attractive in appearance. And the new product of "Army-2024" was no exception. Naturally, design is far from the most important parameter here, but it should be noted that "Shturm" looks very interesting. However, more important is the protection provided by this armored cabin. The cabin is protected from SVD bullet fire, the hood and fuel tanks withstand AKM bullets. The bottom is also declared to be protected from the detonation of an explosive device weighing up to 2 kg.

              It will be enough to protect against bullets and wasps.
              Due to the armor protection, the unladen weight of the armored Sadko NEXT has increased from 4590 to 5600 kg. Accordingly, the load capacity has decreased from 3 to 1,8 tons. However, everyone understands that vehicles with such armored cabins are not designed to carry sacks of potatoes. As a rule, such a design implies use as a weapon carrier. This is how the predecessors of the "Shturm" are positioned (or were positioned, as luck would have it).

              The cabin is maximally functional.
              Here is the new product presented not just as a truck. In the body there is a system for combating unmanned aerial vehicles, which has already been shown on other vehicles. More precisely, this is a mock-up sample. As for more real samples of weapons, here, first of all, the imagination draws the ZU-23-2. The "slingshot" is a completely typical equipment of such gun trucks. For heavier types of weapons, there are larger chassis samples, including the SAZP-57. This year, this gun truck was again at the VPK stand.

              It should be enough to protect against bullets and shrapnel.
              Overall, the "Shturm" looks like a fairly mature, and most importantly, fairly simple product that could well become a serial model. The most important thing is that this is an armored cabin in the factory version, and not another modernization that will require reworking the chassis. It is clear that it is more profitable for the manufacturer to make changes, since then there will be more profit. But how many such products were on the "Army", and how many of them later became serial, is a rhetorical question.

              This system is more of a demonstrator. ZU-23-2 looks more familiar here.
              In general, we should wish the authors of "Sturm" good luck. Let's hope that this duntruck will not share the fate of other exhibition models, which were not destined to be in the series. There is a need for such machines, the main thing is that the eternal history does not repeat itself. Here we can only wait for the next forum in order to understand how it all ended.
  20. 0
    6 January 2025 18: 52
    Sadko is from Nizhny Novgorod. And Sadko, historically, is from Novgorod.
    When there were no plans for Moscow, but there, among the big names.
    They could have called it Nizhegorodets the Great. What was stopping them?
  21. 0
    6 January 2025 21: 09
    Another exhibition model is being tried out in the army.
    What's interesting is that the war will soon enter its 4th year, but where are the new staffing levels and new equipment for the motorized rifle units? And there's no time for GABTU equipment now...
  22. +2
    7 January 2025 02: 16
    The author started for health, finished for the repose of the soul. The weight of Sadko Next 9 closely approached the Kamaz 4x4. Well, then why is it needed, this Sadko? By the way, they refused to have central tire inflation - the army will not take it. Weak frame, weak transmission for YaMZ-534. They do not take Sadko Next, they have been trying to sell it everywhere for several years.
  23. -2
    7 January 2025 14: 34
    Quote: Konnick
    But for some reason I haven't seen it. From drone attacks, yes, there are, but from mine explosions... give me some link

    But the cunning agitator will not share real statistics - the lie will immediately become obvious.
  24. 0
    7 January 2025 18: 07
    KAMAZ-43502-66 (D5) with a new 6 liter P6,7 engine (previously it was a Cummins)
  25. 0
    7 January 2025 19: 30
    Well, what are these hymns of praise for???
    GAZ-66 is not for the Airborne Forces, it is a fashion from the 50-60s of the last century for cabover trucks
    the mine resistance of cabover trucks did not prevent the GAZ-66 from existing in the army, and it still does not prevent the huge KamAZ family from existing

    GAZ-3308 "Sadko" with its 4 tons weight carried the same 2 tons as the shishiga
    and here this Sadko 9 with the same 4 tons of unladen weight already carries 5 tons
    I'm just wondering, what happened? What's this all about?
    and we're not talking about asphalt but about real off-roading
    from us, that they hid the real capabilities of the GAZ-3308 "Sadko"???

    so where is the replacement for Shishiga? where is the truck with a load capacity of up to 2 tons, well, up to 3 tons?
    Moreover, with such a short body of this ninth, like on the UAZ Farmer, and how to transport light but bulky cargo and people, the difference in the flatbed platforms of the Ural and Kamaz is visible to the naked eye
    that's why I would like a bigger platform like on Shishiga
  26. 0
    7 January 2025 21: 02
    - Well, if it became clear that we are not able to create anything breakthrough (regardless of the reasons), why not copy something that is old, but working and proven - even the same Unimog (Pinzgauer, Laplander)?
    - The generation of brilliant engineers will still grow up... Especially since the experience of reverse engineering has been present since Soviet times... the Chinese rose to fame with this, the Japanese started with this... What prevents it? request
  27. +1
    8 January 2025 05: 23
    Research institutes, design bureaus and others who are supposed to provide equipment for the required industry, are they working or are they also not profitable?
  28. 0
    11 January 2025 19: 53
    I need a car urgently.