"Capitalist Fence"

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"Capitalist Fence"
This is what stone fences between ancient enclosures in England look like today. Photo by Chris Wimbash


"A certain man planted a vineyard, surrounded it with a fence, dug a pit for a winepress, and built a watchtower. He rented the vineyard to winegrowers, and he himself went to foreign lands."
Mark Gospel 12:1

stories by stories. “But why is the fence capitalist?” one of the VO readers asked me in his comment to the article. "Golden Years". Studying at the Institute. But this is really interesting: why in the Middle Ages, as well as in New Age England, the “fence”, that is, the enclosure of land plots, was of a capitalist nature, while in France at the same time there was no hint of capitalism. So it took the Great French Bourgeois Revolution for it to penetrate into the village and agrarian relations there. After all, the feudal class was there and here. Sheep were bred for wool everywhere. And even in hot Spain, famous for its merino sheep. So what’s the matter here?



To answer this question, let us begin by recalling what forms of land tenure existed in England on the eve of enclosure?


The textbook on the history of the Middle Ages said a lot about feudal relations and their crisis. But... a lot does not mean clear and understandable. Why then, even at the institute, not everyone could answer the question of why it was in England that "the fence was capitalist", but not in France! Moreover, the information in it was presented in such a way that I, for example, believed for a long time that all knights' castles were exactly like that. Although in reality this was far from true and depended very much on the era. Illustration from the textbook by E. V. Agibalov and G. M. Donskoy (1966)

In general, before the enclosure in England, the following forms of land tenure existed: a manor, which was divided into two parts - a domain and holdings. Initially, England had a manor (community), but then, after 1066, part of the manorial lands were transferred directly to the lords, and the manor received the patronage of the lord. Which, in fact, was the meaning of the Norman conquest. The domain was owned by the lord, since it was given to him by the king. At the same time, he could dispose of it at his own discretion. Holdings were leased. To whom? Well, here: copyholders (who received a document - a "copy"), leaseholders (who were short-term tenants), freeholders (free holders, close to private owners), cottagers (land-poor peasants who worked for hire). Some took a lot of land, others (cottagers) could take nothing at all, and only paid for the right to pasture on the land of the feudal lord or community. The most common form of tenure in the XNUMXth and early XNUMXth centuries was copyhold, which got its name from the custom by which the name of the holder and the terms of the tenure were entered into the minutes of the manorial court, and the holder was given a copy of it, which was the right to hold the land. The so-called freeholders of the land, if they were asked by what right they owned the land, usually answered like this: "By the custom of the manor and the will of the lord." However, he could not produce any document to confirm his words!


But the diagrams explaining the structure of a typical feudal estate in this textbook were very good!

And then Mother Nature intervened in human affairs. First, the "black death" swept across Europe, making labor, firstly, a scarce material, and secondly, a sharp cold snap began, which required warm woolen clothing. The first to understand "where the wind was blowing from" were the inhabitants of small Flanders, where they began to produce cloth in large quantities. But cloth required raw materials - sheep's wool, and where in the Netherlands could you graze sheep in sufficient quantities? But England was nearby, where sheep farming was developed. From there, Flemish cloth makers began to receive wool, the price of which began to slowly but steadily rise! This means that it became more profitable for landlords to produce wool, not wheat. But wool production does not require so many workers. But workers are needed in cloth production, and, by the way, why sell raw materials when finished cloth costs much more?

The landlords figured this out very quickly, taking advantage of the fact that in the 16th century the rights of copyholders were very fragile. The fact is that the conditions for holding a copyhold were recorded in the 14th–15th centuries, during the liberation of the peasants from serfdom, and became a custom of the manor. But at the same time, it was not recorded in any documents. Just a custom!

And, yes, landlords could not drive copyholders off the land. However, a copyholder was only a hereditary or lifelong holder of his plot, but was not its owner, and paid the lord a feudal rent for it, usually in money. When transferring this plot as an inheritance to his children, selling or exchanging it, he had to ask the lord's permission to do so and also pay him a certain fee. And the rise in the cost of wool led to the fact that landowners began to increase both rent and other payments, which led to the breakdown of traditional forms of hereditary holding. According to Harrison, the author of "A Description of Britain", published in 1578,

"The landlords doubled, tripled, sometimes increased the fee for allowing peasants to own property when receiving an inheritance, forcing copyholders to pay large fines and loss of tenure for every trifle."

After that, the lord had every right to add the land of the copyholders to his own holdings, and if necessary, to profitably give it to the leaseholders or simply... enclose it. This is how enclosure began in England, and since "fencing" meant turning public land into the private property of the landlord, in England it could be considered "capitalist". Moreover, the courts, as a rule, decided disputes between peasants and feudal lords in favor of... the peasants (!), but only if they could show a document of ownership of the land. And if he said that he owned the land "by the custom of the manor and the will of the lord", then he was told that "the lord is the master of this land, and his will to own the land that you cultivated has come to an end!"


And then a diagram showing the fruits of fencing...

The process, as they say, began and in England it can be divided into three periods. The first: 1485-1520. The arable lands of the community were enclosed with hedges or ditches. The second: 1530-1550. The secularization of monastic lands was carried out. They were enclosed especially zealously in the central regions, as well as in the north and southeast of England. The third: 1550-1640. Enclosure slowed down somewhat, because too much land had already been enclosed. Now even half-acre plots were enclosed. In addition, in 1563 the government, in which stupid people always outnumber smart ones, completely banned enclosure. However, this can also be understood if you consider how many vagabonds and beggars appeared in England at that time. For example, under Elizabeth Tudor, there were 50 thousand vagabonds in London out of 200 thousand residents. But since this law was still practically not observed by anyone, in 1593 the government and parliament repealed the 1563 act against enclosures.

What happened in England as a result: the peasants, having lost their land, became hired workers, and some became vagabonds and beggars, for whose care the country began to collect money by law. Entire villages became deserted. The rural population began to migrate to the cities, which is very similar to the current situation in our country, isn’t it? A new layer of rural bourgeoisie grew up. Farming developed, oriented towards the market and using hired labor.

True, there were also freeholders in England - freeholders. They paid the lords a small rent for land plots and had the right to freely dispose of them. But the freeholders made up only a very small part of the English peasantry.

Karl Marx was also interested in enclosure and wrote about it in the first volume of Capital, Chapter 24:

"The great feudal lords, who stood in the sharpest antagonism to the royal power and parliament, created an incomparably more numerous proletariat by usurping the common lands and driving the peasants from the land to which the latter had the same feudal right of ownership as the feudal lords themselves. The immediate impetus for this in England was the flourishing of the Flemish woolen manufacture and the associated rise in wool prices. The old feudal nobility was swallowed up by the great feudal wars, and the new one was the child of its time, for which money was the power of all forces. The transformation of arable land into pasture for sheep became the slogan of the feudal lords."

Yes, but what about the second part of the question? Why wasn't the fence capitalist in France, and why wasn't there any enclosure there, since it's even closer to Flanders than England? Wool can be transported there by land!

To better understand all the circumstances, let us look again at the 6th grade textbook on the history of the Middle Ages, published in 1966. It contains two excerpts from two documents on the situation of serfs in France. And they say, first of all, that everything that happened there... was documented. And first of all, the voluntary (I emphasize!) transition of the peasant into serfdom from the feudal lord was documented. Crop failure, epidemics, showdowns among the nobility, robbery by bandits - all this plunged the average French peasant into poverty, close to destitution. And he could only hope for his feudal lord, who was interested in giving him a loan of grain, and a horse for plowing, and protecting him from the raids of robber knights, hiding him in the castle from enemies and, again, allowing him to earn money in his own castle. The peasant signed a document by which both he and his land passed into the hands of the feudal lord. But at the same time, the peasant's ownership of his land was not questioned.


Here are the two excerpts from the documents mentioned above. These are examples of how in France, and not only there, every "little thing" was recorded, not to mention the transition from one social status to another!

As a result, even if the French feudal lord wanted to drive the peasant off his land and enclose it with "his fence", he could not do this, because in court the peasant would present a deed of transferring himself and his land under the authority of the lord, but nothing more. He could not even sell the peasant, either with or without the land, if this was not spelled out in the contract. And it turned out that the French feudal lord reluctantly looked at his more fortunate English colleagues, but according to the law he could do nothing.

It took a bourgeois revolution to kill or drive out the nobles, and the peasants would remain on their land, but would be freed from feudal duties. That is why in France the fence on the land never became capitalist.
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  1. +2
    6 January 2025 05: 50
    In the context of the raised topic, the conventional "fence" is only a fetish. In France, the process of transition from feudal-serfdom relations to capitalist ones followed a different path. It must be said, more intensively than in England.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +5
      6 January 2025 07: 06
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      In France, the process of transition from feudal-serfdom relations to capitalist ones took a different path. It must be said, more intensively than in England.
      Yes, the guillotine worked much more intensively than the gallows.
      1. 0
        6 January 2025 08: 55
        Yes, the guillotine worked much more intensively than the gallows.

        However? According to the law. This is not the Wild West! laughing laughing laughing
    2. 0
      6 January 2025 07: 25
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      It must be said, more intense than in England.

      More... But we are talking about England. Moreover, Anton. I know much less about this very process in France than in England. Therefore, I ask you, could you act as a continuer of the topic "on the French side"? If necessary, I will provide my "platform".
      1. +7
        6 January 2025 07: 55
        You can try. You just need to organize your own knowledge on this topic. In a nutshell...
        Feudal economy is an agrarian society in which commodity-money relations are reduced to a minimum and natural barter prevails. But it is impossible to buy chain mail for a sack of apples, let alone luxury goods. That is, hands free from peasant labor are needed, engaged in the production of manufactured goods that can be sold for money. In France, the prelates of the church were the first to understand this, at the beginning of the 13th century, when they began to purposefully free their own peasants from serfdom, with the obligatory condition of their resettlement to the cities. Naturally, not for free, but providing future burghers with a loan with installments for several years, because where would a peasant get money? Here you have the beginning of capitalism in France. Note, a couple of centuries earlier than England.
        1. +3
          6 January 2025 08: 06
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          You can try..
          Try it, Anton. I would be very interested to read all this in a more detailed presentation by you. I could, of course, read something, compile. But why do this when there is someone who is specifically interested in this.
          1. +1
            6 January 2025 08: 35
            But why do this when there is someone who is specifically interested in this.

            Sixteenth century. Don't touch my land, it's mine! It's even scary, but I really want to ask, what was it like in Rus'? bully Very interesting article, Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you!
            1. +2
              6 January 2025 08: 41
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              Very interesting article,

              Thank you! It's funny, though, that the roots of this article go back to 1975, when Varvara Mitrofanovna Kirillova, PhD in History, associate professor at PSU, taught us a course on New History. And I just happened to come across it and... managed to extricate myself from her "nets". And then, for the rest of my years, I recalled this episode of my studies. And now, half a century later, it has come in handy. Horrible, actually.
              1. 0
                6 January 2025 08: 46
                1975 year

                What I mean is that in the conventional West there was the rule of LAW, and in Rus'....by concepts. I laugh that it is not forbidden on Christmas Eve. laughing Although? I'm an agnostic! bully
                1. +2
                  6 January 2025 08: 49
                  Quote: ArchiPhil
                  In Rus'... according to the rules.

                  I read that a person was even asked how to judge him "according to the law or otherwise". That is, precisely according to concepts... That was our own "guy" specificity.
                2. +3
                  6 January 2025 09: 44
                  Speaking of the law...
                  Another reason why the English scheme of capitalization of society could not have taken place is a stronger centralization of power. The administrative reform of Louis the Saint greatly suppressed the baronial freedom.
                3. +6
                  6 January 2025 10: 00
                  Good morning friends!
                  In Rus' - Rus' - Russia everything was according to the law. For a long time within the framework of common law, which, by the way, still prevails, with modifications, in England. About which I wrote articles here.
                  We have a mass of documents, petitions, and conclusions on this matter. As soon as documents began to be drawn up en masse in Rus' from the 15th century.
                  In this respect, Rus' as a European country is not much different from England and France.
                  The point of lawmaking has always been that laws are understandable and provide balance in society, in the pre-class period. And the class interests of the ruling class, under feudalism in Russia. In the early period, misunderstanding of legislation led to a snuffbox and a scarf.
                  The so-called legal nihilism in Russia was formed due to these same contradictions, in the 19th century, not earlier, when the ruling class did not need changes: industrialization, industrial revolution and the liberation of the peasants, because in Russia at that time there was “classical feudalism” with the power and rights of feudal lords, such as Troekurov, but without armor and a knight's horse.
                  And the “government,” or rather the emperor, who was scolded even by the young Tolstoy (before Sevastopol), “the only European,” tried to change the situation, precisely through legislation, which was in conflict with the wishes of the nobles.
                  And after the liberation of the peasants, as a result of the military defeat in Crimea, the serfs, the feudal peasants, who remained in the status of semi-serfs, became a breeding ground for legal nihilism, and the further the desired “black redistribution” was, the more so.
                  PS I already wrote about fences
                  bully
                  1. -2
                    6 January 2025 10: 21
                    And after the liberation of the peasants, as a result of the military defeat in Crimea, the serfs, the feudal peasants, who remained in the status of semi-serfs, became a breeding ground for legal nihilism, and the further the desired “black redistribution” was, the more so.

                    But why, why, why? Is all this happening in Russia so late? The first university! My God, but that was already the eighteenth century! And we only....were fortunate enough to have it. Are we really so far behind the so-called *West*?
                    1. +5
                      6 January 2025 10: 53
                      Quote: ArchiPhil
                      But why, why, why? Is all this happening in Russia so late?

                      Because Russia, not Western Europe, has its own economic specifics. Low agricultural productivity, poor logistics, the influence of nomads.
                    2. +4
                      6 January 2025 11: 08
                      Are we really that far behind the so-called *West*?


                      I think that up until the 20th century inclusive, climate and geography were of primary importance, somewhere they could get 2-3 harvests a year, and somewhere there was famine every winter, as technology developed, the influence of climate (within reasonable limits of course) ceased to be key.
                    3. +10
                      6 January 2025 11: 20
                      Are we really that far behind the so-called *West*?


                      Because when the first mentions of East Slavic tribes appeared in the zone of risky agriculture, the “barbarian states” had already existed for 400 years, settled on lands cultivated by the Romans, with their elements of civilization.
                      Yes, and in Western Europe the transition to a class society – feudalism – began.
                      That is why our universities appeared at the same historical time as in Western Europe, but 500 years after their universites.
                      That is why there is constant technological, not even backwardness, but simply... constant total borrowing in Europe, starting with Peter I.
                      Otherwise, military competition with external enemies would not have been possible.
                      Russia, History or the Russian God gave a chance, at least not to lag behind in this race, in the person of the Bolsheviks in 1917.
                      But, as they write in the thread about the 70s, all truth-tellers are fed up with this “hypocrisy” laughing and the absence of artel jeans laughing , and they decided to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
                      And again, a time of total borrowing of technologies, but in much worse conditions.
                      1. 0
                        10 January 2025 03: 21
                        Feudalism is not a class society, but an estate society. Learn the basics, please.
                      2. 0
                        11 January 2025 15: 36
                        Karl_Vinson - what kind of expert on technical details is this?
                    4. +3
                      6 January 2025 12: 51
                      Quote: ArchiPhil
                      But why, why, why? Is all this happening in Russia so late?

                      Is it bad that this is not the case in Russia? legalized brutality (enclosure) was not there? Victims of repression - peasants driven from their lands as a result of enclosure scourged, branded, enslaved, executed. Victims-millions

                      And what is there to catch up with the West in? In Nazism, fascism, tolerance, wild hypocrisy, lies, cruelty, extinction? Russia has a great culture and wonderful people, it has nothing to envy.
                    5. +1
                      7 January 2025 07: 47
                      When European countries were "fighting" for progress, Russia was simply surviving. Low crop yields, no minerals, sparse population. And the most brutal military enemies. No material prerequisites. At all. That's why Marx and Comrade Engels hated Russia with a fierce hatred. Our life (and not only ours) didn't fit into their theories.
                      And the English fence, of course, is a fence of progress. It bred the proletariat - the driving force of capitalism and progress. And it didn't matter that hundreds of thousands died of hunger, tens of thousands were hanged for vagrancy, millions were driven into the proletarian republic and the navy. Children from the age of 4 worked in mines and as chimney sweeps. That's progress! They got through everywhere.
                      Russia, with all the cruelty of its laws, could not allow itself to do this. There were simply no people. Even serfdom arose from the complete absence of people in the need to defend themselves from a bunch of lovers of profit. That's why we are lagging behind.
                      Our copper and steel, by and large, we got from Peter. We more or less solved the bread problem with the capture of Poland. Our horses really came from Count Orlov. Everything is generally 500, 300, 200 years later than Europe.
                      You should go to this London. It was all built in the colonial era. We even rebuilt Moscow until the 70s. And regional and district cities are only now being rebuilt for the FIRST time. This is when in Europe, in the 18th - 19th centuries, they were finally rebuilt for the 5th time.
                      But we still haven’t gotten rid of the lack of people.
                  2. +3
                    6 January 2025 10: 41
                    In addition to political and economic factors, if we compare the state of affairs in Rus', further in Russia, with Europe, in which, as was correctly noted, development proceeded differently, then we cannot discount our climate, geographical position, the size of our territories, and I don’t like this term-mentality.
            2. +1
              6 January 2025 08: 43
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              in Rus'?

              Maybe it's worth asking Vaschenko or Vladislav, who is "Mr. Kokhanka". He had excellent articles on our history. Well, and if "no" - I will write. I know this topic better than France...
            3. +3
              6 January 2025 11: 46
              All power to the Soviets!

              Quote: ArchiPhil
              Sixteenth century...and what was it like in Rus'?

              And in Rus' the Romanovs came to reign. They secured the lands with farmers for the new owners, and when the owners realized that it was "not profitable", the Decembrists gave freedom (i.e. they drove the peasants from their lands together with their families) and began to hire able-bodied people, without bearing any responsibility for their families... Around the same time, slavery was abolished in most states in the USA... I apologize for the very free interpretation of history.
              1. +2
                6 January 2025 18: 30
                Well, there is some distortion of the "context" here, at the same time in the USA there was simply an incredibly modern society for white people (men), no heirs of titles (all these gentlemen, barons, counts, princes, tsars, etc.) remained in Europe. Actually, in my opinion, this is one of the key moments of the success of the USA, they created a society without class distinctions (for white men).
        2. +2
          6 January 2025 08: 37
          You can try

          When? Need materials and books? Just.....blink. laughing
          1. +2
            6 January 2025 08: 40
            Thank you, Sergey!
            Books are needed, but on a different topic. I'll ask you for help a little later.
            1. 0
              6 January 2025 08: 41
              help.

              Immediately!!!! As soon as it becomes available. laughing
        3. +3
          6 January 2025 11: 04
          In France, the prelates of the church were the first to understand this at the beginning of the 13th century, when they began to deliberately free their own peasants from serfdom.
          Even earlier, German counts and fürsts understood this when in the 12th century they began to settle the lands of the exterminated or expelled Slavic Obotrites with settlers from the Lower Rhine. These settlers were either peasants who had run away from their masters or simply those who had paid the quitrent. City air makes you free, they said then...
          by providing future burghers with a loan with installments for several years, because where does a peasant get money? Here you have the beginning of capitalism in France
          Such commodity-money relations are not yet the beginning of capitalism; these relations only created some conditions for its emergence, because at that time, pre-city society was based on self-sufficient estates - this includes agriculture, crafts, and usury. You wouldn't call usury capitalism, would you? Just as you wouldn't call the products of small artisans based on personal labor capitalism. It doesn't matter what kind of artisan - a village artisan or a specialized urban one...
    3. +3
      6 January 2025 11: 24
      In France, the process of transition from feudal-serfdom relations to capitalist ones took a different path. It must be said, more intensively than in England.
      You are forgetting about Germany. There this process was more intensive - mushrooms grew on the coasts of the North and Baltic Seas. new cities, where crafts and trade developed. Moreover, the products of urban artisans already served not only city dwellers and residents of neighboring villages, but also went far beyond the city, sometimes even to other countries. On the island of Gotland there was even a trading center on the Baltic, from where goods from North German new cities went to Novgorod and down the Volga, and these goods were produced in these newly formed North German cities. That is, when feudal lords were slaughtering each other in France, and then the Hundred Years' War began, crafts and trade were already developing in Germany, and with them commodity-money relations were developing...
      1. +2
        6 January 2025 11: 41
        You are forgetting about Germany.
        I don't forget, Nikolay. Initially, the material was about the change of economic formations in England and France, where the latter is presented as the catching-up side. But this is not so, to which I responded.
  2. +6
    6 January 2025 09: 02
    We are the most spirited country in the literal sense. There are no such fences around private houses anywhere, well, maybe only in South Africa. And cottage villages simply compete in the height of fences. Well, and the saddest thing is, our cemeteries, fence on fence and fence chases, this is a very distinctive feature of Russian graves...
    1. +5
      6 January 2025 09: 40
      We are the most spirited country in the literal sense

      I'm afraid that we are the most don't-give-a-damn country. Because? We try to live by concepts, but not by laws!
      1. +5
        6 January 2025 11: 07
        live by concepts, but not by laws!
        Concepts are also a law, only an unwritten one. And sometimes this unwritten law is observed more strictly than even the written law... wink
    2. +4
      6 January 2025 09: 50
      Russian

      I'll try to explain. Find me a country where so much depends not on the law, but on the person in POWER!?
      1. +3
        6 January 2025 10: 10
        from a person in POWER!?

        You are right...that is why we have a desire to fence ourselves off from this lawlessness.
        1. +2
          6 January 2025 10: 44
          Well, our fences around houses are still bearable, in Chechnya, for example, the fences are just fences... :)) We don't fence everything and not everywhere three meters deep:))
          1. +5
            6 January 2025 11: 09
            Well, our fences near houses are still bearable, in Chechnya, for example, the fences are just fences
            The entire North Caucasus, not just Chechnya, is surrounded by fences. And what fences! wink
            1. +5
              6 January 2025 11: 25
              Quote: Luminman
              The entire North Caucasus, not just Chechnya, is surrounded by fences. And what fences!

              I was the first to put up a metal fence made of siding in the area of ​​my summer cottage. The height of an average human, so that everyone from the street wouldn't stare at me. And guess what? All the neighbors immediately put up fences HIGHER than mine. That's some psychology...
              1. +4
                6 January 2025 11: 28
                Immediately all the neighbors put up fences HIGHER than mine. That's some psychology...
                It's strange. We first put up a fence, and then we build. You don't have to build anything, but a fence is a must...
                1. +1
                  6 January 2025 11: 31
                  Quote: Luminman
                  Strange.

                  Well, I bought an old dacha. Where there was already a fence, as well as a little house. But from slabs nailed to the beams. Like a sieve, and rotten at that. Only this year I stopped burning it in a barrel under the grass and tops...
                2. +1
                  7 January 2025 07: 54
                  The construction site must be fenced. The fence and toilet are the first things on the site.
                  This is important from all sides: both safety and the preservation of building materials.
                  Again, it was not customary for us to hang people for theft. But in the West - it was easy. There was nowhere to put the people. A very obedient European race developed there. Whatever the authorities say, that is correct.
            2. +3
              6 January 2025 11: 41
              Yes, it's just that the memories of the summer trip to Chechnya are still fresh.
            3. +2
              6 January 2025 11: 48
              The entire North Caucasus, not just Chechnya, is surrounded by fences.

              This is the main feature of the Middle Ages...
    3. +5
      6 January 2025 10: 24
      There is no need to beat yourself up about fences in Rus', or about “personal” fences in cemeteries in Russia.
      What should the Chinese do then, who spent 2000 years building the longest fence in the world, and buried about half a million builders there. And no personal fence for them... The Mughals had no fence for their graves either. Watch Mikhalkov's film "Urga - Territory of Love". There, a truck driver almost went crazy when he saw an eagle pecking at a dead man's corpse in the steppe, to which the Mongol replied that everything was right, the bird was pecking well, starting with the liver... And no fences for you...
      By the way, there are no fences in the cemeteries of the Baltic Catholics. The graves are very well-kept. And if you want to have a good wife, then marry ..., for example, a Lithuanian. They will look after you wonderfully and will love you when you are lying in the grave ... Well, in the cemeteries in Russia "there is no order", there is no pathos. In Russia, your wife will try to love you while you are still alive ...
  3. +5
    6 January 2025 10: 19
    By the way, the level of commodity-money relations and, as a consequence, the capitalization of society in various countries of medieval Europe can be tracked by another parameter: what denomination of coins are in circulation in the state.
    Thus Florence began minting gold money on a regular basis in 1252. In France by this time the largest coin was the silver Parisian sol. England only began minting coins worth more than one penny towards the end of the XNUMXth century.
    1. +2
      6 January 2025 10: 30
      England only

      Rus? Are we falling behind again and again? No. At least here, but ahead! Our goldsmith! Glory to Vladimir Yaroslavich!
      1. +2
        6 January 2025 10: 54
        Don't lag behind! Just go our own way, unknown to anyone! :)))
        1. +3
          6 January 2025 11: 27
          We just go our own way, unknown to anyone! :)))

          An absolutely clear path - as a whole, without details, no mysteries.
          The words of Frederick the Great come to mind about what and for whom the concept of “war” means.
  4. +4
    6 January 2025 11: 06
    Thank you for explaining in detail, Vyacheslav! It's been a long time since I read it, and honestly speaking, I didn't have much motivation to delve into it again - somehow, at an organic level, I always despised this mouse-like paperwork and these exploitative tricks.
    In general, the world is ruled by economic motivation, as well as gravity. If conditions are created to direct the flow and they are maintained without the possibility of "getting it wrong" or eating "mouse passages in the cheese", then everything around is rebuilt for this and we get socialism, capitalism, communism, whatever... you can't fight gravity (motivation in this case) - because at every step, no matter how many there are, it will correct little by little, "bend" in the right direction.
    Everything else, it turns out, is just entourage and substrate - religions, some remnants of traditions, pompous letters and flags. Everything is decided by money and where it flows - maybe loudly, maybe quietly, but in fact, that's all.
    1. +3
      6 January 2025 11: 27
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Everything is decided by the money and where it flows - maybe loudly, maybe quietly, but in fact that’s all.

      Exactly!
  5. -1
    6 January 2025 11: 41
    Yeah, right. Well, that's what I expected.
    The only valuable information in the article is a textbook on the history of the Middle Ages for the 6th grade (USSR).
    Let's quickly analyze a set of pseudoscientific nonsense from a recognized master:
    1.Quote-[b]"First, the "black death" swept across Europe, making labor, firstly, a scarce material, and secondly, a sharp cold snap began, which required warm woolen clothing."
    It is unclear what kind of heavenly punishment forced the inhabitants of the south of Europe and Asia to widely use woolen fabrics since ancient times? Woolen fabrics are cheaper and more practical than linen or hemp, so they were used everywhere. By the way, Venice was a major center of cloth production, right up until the 18th century.
    2. Quote - "The first to understand "where the wind blows from" were the inhabitants of little Flanders, where they began to produce cloth in large quantities. But cloth required raw material - sheep wool, and where in the Netherlands can you graze sheep in sufficient quantities?"
    Here it should be noted that the armchair scientist does not know economic geography, since Flanders with its mountainous and hilly terrain and the Netherlands itself are excellent for raising livestock, including sheep. In fact, in Great Russia, cows and sheep also predominated, and not pigs.
    Therefore, initially the cloth production was well supplied with local raw materials.
    3.Quote: "But nearby was England, where sheep breeding was developed. From there, the Flemish cloth makers began to receive wool, the price of which began to rise slowly but steadily!"
    As was already written above, sheep breeding developed where there were natural and climatic conditions for it, therefore imports came not only from England. And where would developed sheep breeding come from if there was no market?
    4.Quote: "The outflow of the rural population to the cities has begun, which is very similar to the current situation in our country, isn't it? A new layer of rural bourgeoisie has grown up. Farming has developed, oriented towards the market and using hired labor."
    No, Shpakovsky, the situation in modern Russia does not look like medieval England.
    In the Russian Federation, traitors and vandals destroyed the system of multi-profile, highly mechanized industrial agro-production enterprises. Therefore, as a result of the victory of capitalism, England became the leading industrial power in the world, while modern Russia, on the contrary, fell into the Middle Ages.
    There is no point in further analyzing this worthless set of words.
    It's very simple - enclosure is the result of the victory of capitalist relations in England, which were caused by the following reasons:
    - Scientific and technological progress in the field of fabric production - by the way, Belgium is still one of the leaders in the production of weaving machines;
    -Development of sea transport, which became possible thanks to scientific and technological progress in the field of shipbuilding and navigation;
    - The favorable natural and climatic conditions in England, as well as its geographical features, which everyone knows;
    - Wide involvement of all layers of English society in maritime trade - export of copper starting from the 2nd millennium BC, import of wines and fruits from Spain, Portugal, France;
    - Convenient location of fabric production at the mouth of the Rhine and Massa.
    In France, enclosure did not happen not because there were any laws - only a dreamer can believe that laws are capable of protecting peasants from feudal lords.
    France consistently defended the interests of its own developed textile industry, including by limiting the export of wool and the import of finished woolen fabrics.
    England also eventually turned to protectionist policies in the area of ​​imports and exports.
    This later became one of the reasons for the Napoleonic Wars.
    1. +2
      6 January 2025 11: 55
      Were all collective and state farms high-tech? No, not all, mountains of rusting tractors and combines in the farmyards.. Enormous vegetable stinking places... So, alas, not everything was so rosy in the agriculture of the Great Country.
    2. 0
      7 January 2025 07: 59
      I remember our high-tech agriculture well. It's when there is no food in the country. And high-tech farmers don't unscrew nuts, they just cut them off with an electrode. And then weld them back.
      And for how many years have scrap metal dealers been feeding off collective farm dumps!
  6. +2
    6 January 2025 15: 56
    Quote: Dozorny_ severa
    Yeah, right. Well, that's what I expected.
    The only valuable information in the article is a textbook on the history of the Middle Ages for the 6th grade (USSR).
    Let's quickly analyze a set of pseudoscientific nonsense from a recognized master:
    1.Quote-[b]"First, the "black death" swept across Europe, making labor, firstly, a scarce material, and secondly, a sharp cold snap began, which required warm woolen clothing."
    It is unclear what kind of heavenly punishment forced the inhabitants of the south of Europe and Asia to widely use woolen fabrics since ancient times? Woolen fabrics are cheaper and more practical than linen or hemp, so they were used everywhere. By the way, Venice was a major center of cloth production, right up until the 18th century.
    2. Quote - "The first to understand "where the wind blows from" were the inhabitants of little Flanders, where they began to produce cloth in large quantities. But cloth required raw material - sheep wool, and where in the Netherlands can you graze sheep in sufficient quantities?"
    Here it should be noted that the armchair scientist does not know economic geography, since Flanders with its mountainous and hilly terrain and the Netherlands itself are excellent for raising livestock, including sheep. In fact, in Great Russia, cows and sheep also predominated, and not pigs.
    Therefore, initially the cloth production was well supplied with local raw materials.
    3.Quote: "But nearby was England, where sheep breeding was developed. From there, the Flemish cloth makers began to receive wool, the price of which began to rise slowly but steadily!"
    As was already written above, sheep breeding developed where there were natural and climatic conditions for it, therefore imports came not only from England. And where would developed sheep breeding come from if there was no market?
    4.Quote: "The outflow of the rural population to the cities has begun, which is very similar to the current situation in our country, isn't it? A new layer of rural bourgeoisie has grown up. Farming has developed, oriented towards the market and using hired labor."
    No, Shpakovsky, the situation in modern Russia does not look like medieval England.
    In the Russian Federation, traitors and vandals destroyed the system of multi-profile, highly mechanized industrial agro-production enterprises. Therefore, as a result of the victory of capitalism, England became the leading industrial power in the world, while modern Russia, on the contrary, fell into the Middle Ages.
    There is no point in further analyzing this worthless set of words.
    It's very simple - enclosure is the result of the victory of capitalist relations in England, which were caused by the following reasons:
    - Scientific and technological progress in the field of fabric production - by the way, Belgium is still one of the leaders in the production of weaving machines;
    -Development of sea transport, which became possible thanks to scientific and technological progress in the field of shipbuilding and navigation;
    - The favorable natural and climatic conditions in England, as well as its geographical features, which everyone knows;
    - Wide involvement of all layers of English society in maritime trade - export of copper starting from the 2nd millennium BC, import of wines and fruits from Spain, Portugal, France;
    - Convenient location of fabric production at the mouth of the Rhine and Massa.
    In France, enclosure did not happen not because there were any laws - only a dreamer can believe that laws are capable of protecting peasants from feudal lords.
    France consistently defended the interests of its own developed textile industry, including by limiting the export of wool and the import of finished woolen fabrics.
    England also eventually turned to protectionist policies in the area of ​​imports and exports.
    This later became one of the reasons for the Napoleonic Wars.


    On the one hand, you tried to point out the contradictions in Shpakovsky's publication. You expressed your point of view.
    But, by switching from evaluating the material with examples to evaluating the author with epithets, the value of their own commentary was ruined.
    Why clarify/correct the material and brand the author in one comment? You don't have a limit on the number of comments.
    1. -2
      6 January 2025 19: 25
      Because Shpakovsky's article is pseudoscientific nonsense. Where do you see the author's stigma? The history of capitalism's development has been well studied and understood, including by bourgeois historians - for example, Ricardo. Marx, by the way, used his works. Why fantasize? There are well-described histories of England and France - thanks to the USSR. Why turn the history of our civilization into fantasy? What is this improvisation for?
      1. 0
        7 January 2025 08: 01
        In general, the article is about fences. And their influence on progress. That's why everything around is fast and brief. Otherwise, you can write so much about teaching history in universities and schools!
  7. -5
    6 January 2025 19: 30
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    By the way, the level of commodity-money relations and, as a consequence, the capitalization of society in various countries of medieval Europe can be tracked by another parameter: what denomination of coins are in circulation in the state.
    Thus Florence began minting gold money on a regular basis in 1252. In France by this time the largest coin was the silver Parisian sol. England only began minting coins worth more than one penny towards the end of the XNUMXth century.

    What an interesting thought - perhaps that is why Spain, which has huge reserves of silver, turned out to be an outsider in the technology race.
  8. 0
    8 January 2025 01: 47
    The English are the world's greatest experts in how to make lawlessness into law. And case law is a great help in this.
    After that, only the genius Newton was able to strengthen the British monetary system, and impose the pound sterling on the world, first in the form of a coin, and then paper as a model of stability and the first successful "world money". As Lord Treasurer, what he also discovered and Newton's Laws - this is another side of his activity.