FAB with UMPK-R: Inexpensive, Long-Range, High-Precision Munition

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FAB with UMPK-R: Inexpensive, Long-Range, High-Precision Munition



Smart "cast iron"


One of the "discoveries" of the Russian special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine was the aerial bombs equipped with a unified planning and correction module (UMPK). The most actively used with the UMPK are the high-explosive aerial bombs (FAB) FAB-250 and FAB-500, weighing 250 and 500 kilograms respectively, as well as the disposable bomb clusters RBK-500 and the volume-detonating aviation ODAB-500 ammunition.



Somewhat less frequently, the FAB-1500, ODAB-1500 and FAB-3000 are used with the UMPK, which have a significantly greater warhead power. It is characteristic that for a long time a number of experts spoke about the uselessness of developing the UMPK for high-power aerial bombs, however, as the practice of the SVO has shown, in some cases they cannot be avoided - only the FAB 1500 and FAB-3000 can "lay" heavily fortified strongholds and Soviet-built factory workshops "into dust", so that no surviving enemy soldiers remain under the ruins.


FAB-3000 with UMPC

Following the aerial bombs with UMPK, the universal gliding inter-service munition (UMPB) D-30SN was created, which can be used both by dropping it from tactical aircraft and from ground-based multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) "Smerch" of 300 mm caliber. Nevertheless, based on open sources, the UMPB is clearly used less often than FAB with UMPK, which is most likely due to the complexity of production and, accordingly, the increased cost of this munition.

Considering that in the vast majority of cases high-explosive aerial bombs are used with the UMPK, then in the future in this article we will say: “FAB with UMPK”.


Use of four UMPB D-30SN. Photo Telegram / Aviahub34

The enemy immediately "appreciated" the Russian FABs with UMPKs - largely due to these munitions, the line of combat contact wavered and crawled towards the Dnieper. FABs with UMPKs smash strongholds into dust, collapse buildings in which the enemy has fortified. From the moment they are used, enemy ground units can expect at any moment to meet an inglorious end, without the opportunity to even try to engage in combat.

However, the risks for aircraft using FAB with UMPK are gradually increasing. This is due to the transfer of the latest anti-aircraft systems by NATO countries to Ukraine. missile complexes (air defense missile systems) and F-16 fighters.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are still afraid to use F-16 fighters to hunt Russian aircraft - on our side, they are eagerly awaited. But everything can change at any moment. On the other hand, the use of ambush tactics for the use of SAM systems creates an increased threat to our aircraft, since the more FAB with UMPK is used, the more routine this work becomes for pilots, the higher the likelihood that someone will make a mistake.

In addition, the increase in the number of FABs with UMPK used leads to an increased consumption of the resources of expensive 4+ / 4++ generation aircraft, such as the Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35 - after all, the cost of using FABs with UMPK includes not only the cost of the ammunition itself, but also the cost of the flight hour of their carriers.

Minimizing the risks


To minimize the costs of using FAB with UMPC, we considered the possibility of creating highly specialized combat aircraft with a lower cost per flight hour compared to the above-mentioned multifunctional aircraft Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35.


Potentially, one of the most inexpensive carriers of FAB with UMPK could be the Yak-130 combat training aircraft

The problem is that highly specialized combat vehicles do not solve the problem of risks for combat aircraft and their pilots in the event that the enemy uses ambush tactics using air defense missile systems and/or F-16 fighters.

Another option is to use unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), such as the Grom UAV, for dropping FABs from the UMPK, which we discussed earlier in the article “Thunder” over Ukraine: a promising UAV can become the most effective carrier of aerial bombs with UMPCThe advantage of using UAVs to employ FABs with UMPK is the ability to enter enemy territory without risking the lives of pilots, especially if the UAV design incorporates measures to reduce visibility.

However, the prospects of the Grom UAV still look somewhat vague, and, judging from the latest images of this aircraft, it seems that the developers have decided to abandon stealth. Why? It is difficult to say, but the latest versions of the Grom UAV mockups are more reminiscent of the Soviet Strizh family of UAVs, previously used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to strike our territory.


Early (left) and current (right) mockups of the Grom UAV

However, if the simplification of the design allows the Grom UAV to go into production faster, then this decision can be considered justified - any version of the Grom UAV would be very effective as a carrier of the FAB with the UMPK.

Another option for minimizing risks for aircraft carrying FABs with UMPKs is to try to drop them to the enemy from the maximum possible distance, but this requires raising the FAB with UMPKs to the maximum altitude and accelerating to the maximum possible speed.

Theoretically, the MiG-25/MiG-31 family of aircraft can handle this best, as we discussed earlier in the article Reincarnation of MiG-25, however, there are several complications here.

Firstly, we have a limited number of MiG-31 aircraft, so it is not very practical to spend this valuable resource to drop FAB from the UMPK, and the possibility of restoring MiG-25 aircraft from storage is questionable, since the availability and technical condition of these machines is unknown. In any case, this will take a significant amount of time.


The MiG-25RB could have become an effective and mass-produced FAB carrier with UMPK, if we had it...

Secondly, the limiter may be the design of the FAB with the UMPK, or more precisely, its ability to withstand mechanical and thermal loads that occur when dropped at high altitude and at high speed.

Another way to minimize risks for carriers is to increase the range of the FABs with UMPKs themselves, and here too there are various approaches to solving this issue.

Engine for an aerial bomb


Currently, based on information posted in open sources, the range of use of FAB with UMPK varies from 50 to 70 kilometers, depending on the type of aerial bomb, the parameters of the carrier and the target being hit. Recently, information has appeared that the range of use of individual FAB samples with UMPK reaches 85 kilometers.

Of course, the simplest way to increase the range of FAB with UMPK is to equip them with a small-sized engine, but this raises a number of problems and questions.

Inexpensive electric motors powered by batteries are clearly not suitable here, both because of the size and weight of the FAB with UMPK, and because they are dropped from high altitudes - the batteries will simply freeze, and it is risky to hang fire-explosive lithium batteries on aerial bombs.

The ability of small-sized piston internal combustion engines (ICE) to pull the “carcass” of the FAB with the UMPK is also in question; in addition, problems may arise with starting such engines at high altitudes.

Turbojet engine (TRD)?

Yes, of course, but turbojet engines are expensive - this will immediately nullify the entire "cost/efficiency" criterion for FAB with UMPK, of course, unless some simple primitive solution is developed that can be produced in hundreds of thousands "for a low price". By the way, this is quite possible, the enemy (Western countries) are now actively using neural networks to develop promising technical solutions, sometimes this gives very original and non-standard results.

A less expensive solution is to use a pulse jet engine (PJE) – this direction is actively developing again today, we previously talked about this in the material The V-1 was reinvented in the USA: this could become a new milestone in the creation of kamikaze UAVs.


The E95M aerial target (image by enics.aero) and the Geranium-2 UAV concept with a turbojet engine

However, there are questions here too – firstly, will the dimensions of the PU-Jet engine allow it to be placed on a FAB with an UMPK, and then fit this entire structure on tactical aircraft?

Secondly, the ramjet is designed to operate at speeds below 400 kilometers per hour, will it even start at higher speeds when dropped? Will the whole design not lead to a greater loss of range due to its aerodynamics, especially at higher speeds?

In general, it is better to leave the pulsejet for UAVs, where it will look much more appropriate.

The next option is a solid-fuel booster, the simplest and potentially cheapest solution. But wait, the solid-fuel booster is already used on the D-30SN UMBP and potentially increases their range to 120-150 kilometers or more, right?

Yes, but, apparently, the requirement for unification, due to the fact that the ammunition is interspecific, affects its cost, therefore the number of UMBP used is significantly lower than the number of FAB with UMPK used.

It is possible that there is a compromise option, when the FAB with UMPK will be equipped with some solid-fuel rocket booster (or several boosters) from some serial products, for example, from unguided aircraft rockets (UNAR). After dropping from the carrier, such solid-fuel boosters will help the FAB with UMPK gain additional altitude and speed, which will increase the gliding range.

How much? It is difficult to predict, it will depend on how many and what kind of solid-fuel boosters will be installed on a particular FAB and UMPK combination. It is unlikely that we can expect a range increase several times, but several tens of percent is quite possible - if we start from the existing maximum range of 85 kilometers, then an additional 15-30 kilometers is quite a lot.


It is possible that booster engines from NAR will increase the range of FAB with UMPK by 20-30% of the current one.

It is the FAB variant with UMPK, equipped with a solid-fuel rocket booster, that is designated in the title of the article as UMPK-R (jet).

Conclusions


The key advantage of FAB with UMPK is the relative cheapness of this weapons, with high damaging effects and relative safety of use.

Understanding that FABs with UMPKs pose a significant threat to the enemy, and also that the enemy will try with all its might to counteract the use of this type of Russian weapon, it is necessary to minimize the potential risks for its carriers.

This can be done by using unmanned vehicles, such as the Grom UAV, but there is currently no information about any specific dates for these vehicles to enter service.

Another way is to increase the range of the FAB with UMPK. Presumably, the optimal solution could be to equip the FAB with UMPK with one or more solid-fuel rocket boosters, borrowed from some serial products, such as unguided rockets, with or without modification.

In fact, we already have a FAB with a jet booster - this is the UMBP D-30SN, but this munition, apparently, is more complex and expensive to produce than conventional FAB with UMPK - some kind of compromise solution is needed, with the simplicity and relatively low cost of the FAB with UMPK and the flight range of the UMBP D-30SN.

By abandoning interspecific use, we can return to the concept of maximum simplicity and low cost of components in FAB with UMPK-R.

The use of such ammunition as conventional FAB with UMPK-R will minimize risks for carrier aircraft or attack targets at great depth in enemy territory.


And, of course, the optimal solution from the point of view of the cost/effectiveness ratio and safety of use could be a combination of Grom jet UAVs and FAB with UMPK-R.

However, there is another possibility of increasing the flight range of the FAB with UMPK, but we will talk about it in a separate article.
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  1. +3
    3 January 2025 04: 51
    A pair of S-8 (RS-80) on either side of a FAB 500 with UMPK is an excellent option for increasing range and reducing risk.
    Considering that hundreds of them are launched every day, this should not have a significant impact on the cost.
    1. +8
      3 January 2025 06: 36
      What is the range of the S-8, about 6 km? What is the warhead? Operating time of the powder engine? Compare with the FAB 250 and try to estimate how many powder engines need to be "hung" on the FAB 250 to get a 20 percent increase in range.
      1. -9
        3 January 2025 07: 04
        However, there is another possibility of increasing the flight range of the FAB with the UMPK,

        Along with the range, we must not forget about accuracy... And these two parameters in the UPMK are in strong "conflict" with each other. And here you will think once again whether it is worth launching this thing at some thermal power plant in the city, if there are residential areas tens of meters away from it. After all, we are not talking about frontline settlements, but far beyond the LBS, from where the population has not yet fled. We have to choose separate targets...
        1. +8
          3 January 2025 08: 02
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          Along with range, we must not forget about accuracy... And these two parameters in the UPMK are in strong "conflict" with each other.

          How? The accuracy of guidance by satellite navigation does not depend on the drop distance, it is not an inertial system, where the error accumulates.
          1. 0
            3 January 2025 08: 27
            And as I understood from the description of these bombs, they have an inertial guidance system with a preset on the ground. And then in flight, the bomb is slightly adjusted by one of the global networks (GPS, GLONASS, etc.) using its "wings". And that in any case, with increasing range, the probability of deviation increases due to the influence of external factors - the presence of a stable signal from three satellites, wind strength, precipitation, enemy electronic warfare, etc. They write, however, that there is a UPMK with a television-correlation and laser guidance system. But this is a completely different cost and also not without its own peculiarities.
            1. +3
              3 January 2025 09: 14
              Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
              And then in flight, the bomb is slightly adjusted by one of the global networks (GPS, GLONASS, etc.) using its "wings". And that in any case, with increasing range, the probability of deviation increases due to the influence of external factors - the presence of a stable signal from three satellites, wind strength, precipitation, the work of enemy electronic warfare, etc.

              This "slightly corrects" and determines the accuracy, and only electronic warfare can influence this accuracy. Or a strong undershoot.
              1. +3
                3 January 2025 09: 47
                Thank you, colleague! I will know and hope that we can hit further and more with this weapon.
      2. +2
        3 January 2025 07: 37
        Off the top of my head: weight about 12 kg, warhead - about 4 kg, flies 2 km, speed 650 km/h.
        Ten pieces with warheads removed can easily give a 20% increase in range for the 250 kg UMPK bomb.
        1. +3
          3 January 2025 09: 22
          This is all nonsense. There should be only one block and no more.
      3. +1
        3 January 2025 08: 16
        try to estimate how many gunpowder engines need to be "hung" on the FAB 250 to obtain a 20 percent increase in range.
        When FAB is dropped from an aircraft, it has the initial speed of the carrier aircraft, for example 800 km/h. It is quite possible that 4 engines from the S-8 will push the FAB further. Everything depends on the drop altitude, wind speed and other factors. In short, testing is needed here.
      4. +2
        3 January 2025 16: 55
        There may be options. For example, S-13 without warhead.
        In any case, such an inexpensive way to increase the range of the UMPK deserves attention.
        1. +2
          4 January 2025 15: 16
          there are also NAR S-24 and S-25...they have even more powerful engines...a pair can be used for initial acceleration, and then they can be jettisoned. Although the jettisoning of even empty pieces of iron is fraught with consequences on the ground - they will break through the roof of a house or car. For example, Pantsir is guilty of this...they jettison the starters.
    2. +3
      3 January 2025 08: 50
      A great option would be if the inter-species D-30SN is left mainly for the Tornado-S, and aviation uses bombs with UMPK. As for increasing the range, the use of a powder accelerator or a ramjet engine is quite possible to increase the range.
      But only by 20, 30 percent. At most by 50. Otherwise it would already be a missile. Another class of weapons with its own advantages and disadvantages.
      Conclusion: different bombs are needed, different bombs are important, according to the tasks.
      Simple cast iron should be used in the absence of appropriate air defense, for targets at the front of the UMPK, for important remote and protected targets bombs with an UMPK with an accelerator, and for others, aircraft missiles.
      In general, everything is as usual.
      1. 0
        5 January 2025 22: 12
        Here's another problem: how much cast iron do we have to constantly invent something? If there's a lot of cast iron, that's one scenario, if there's little, that's another. If the cast iron runs out, we'll still have to make a more advanced modern gliding aerial bomb with or without rocket boosters.
  2. +6
    3 January 2025 06: 04
    It's time for the author to know that war itself is a very expensive pleasure and the risk of dying in it is very high. Maybe then planes and ships should not be used in war at all, since an hour of their work is so expensive and resources are wasted????
  3. +2
    3 January 2025 07: 29
    Happy New Year everyone.
    This option should also be considered:
    A cheap unmanned platform based on the Soviet TB. Made of plywood and sticks, simple engines, provide for a mechanical automatic return to its zone when the enemy uses electronic warfare.
    Immediately set low cost and speed of production as the determining criteria.
    The main requirement is height and load capacity.
    1. +5
      3 January 2025 13: 47
      We need an analogue of the American RQ-4 Global Hawk, with an even more powerful engine and a larger bomb load. We need a heavy reconnaissance and strike drone capable of both compensating for the shortage of naval and reconnaissance aviation and being a carrier of gliding air bombs.
      1. +1
        3 January 2025 15: 58
        Our thinking is geared towards wunderwaffe with the highest cost and often technological complexity that exceeds our capabilities.
        In three years I can't remember anything cheap, mass-produced, easy to manufacture. Well, maybe the UMPK. But there are nuances.
        1. +4
          3 January 2025 16: 21
          If the Pacer is produced in volumes comparable to the Bayraktars and larger, it will inevitably become cheaper, several times over.
          And a reconnaissance drone and an attack drone can differ in cost several times. And this is with the same glider.
  4. +14
    3 January 2025 07: 59
    The author has stuffed some kind of nonsense into the article.
    1. If we consider the feasibility of using the UMPK based on economic indicators, then the FAB-250 is so cheap that there is no particular sense in attaching the UMPK to it at all - the device will be more expensive than the bomb. Therefore, the phrase "the most frequently used FAB-250 and FAB-500" is fundamentally incorrect. FAB-500 - yes. The most frequently used bomb with the UMPK. FAB-1500, by the way, is also used quite often.
    2. What are these mythical "risks of encountering an F-16"? The author probably doesn't know that they go out to drop bombs in threes (they're constantly buzzing over my heads, once I even saw them so low that I thought they were going to run over my head with their wing)? So, in a threesome there are two Su-34s and one Su-35. The Su-34s, as usual, drop bombs, and the Su-35 "looks with all its eyes". At the slightest appearance of a threat, either anti-radar missiles fly (on the Su-35, if my memory serves me right, these are the Kh-31) or, accordingly, an air-to-air missile. The range of the Su-35's radar (and missiles, naturally) is sufficient to prevent F-16s from appearing within 200 km. And our bombing is carried out far from the LBS.
    3. The author seems to be unaware that the enemy tried (and is trying, perhaps) to use analogues (almost analogues) of bombs with UMPK. For example, the French "Hammer". Well, they have engines. And it is precisely because of the presence of an engine (in fact, not only, but that is not the point) that our air defense detects them and destroys them. While an FAB with UMPK is just a fast-flying gliding "piece of iron". Which is difficult to detect due to the lack of a thermal signature. And that is precisely why the West howls that "Russia is winning only due to bombs with UMPK, which are hard to shoot down and there are a lot of them".
    This is just offhand.
    1. 0
      3 January 2025 10: 33
      What a set...
      1. The FAB-250 (aka 500-pound) is truly the primary payload size for glide bombs.
      Although JDAM was originally planned for 1000-pound, the maximum amount of work from 95 to this day, both modernization and upgrades, has been done in the 500-pound format.
      2. The constant operation of the active radar mode on the aircraft above the LBS is nonsense. Let's recall the ambush tactics of using Patriots, when almost a dozen aircraft were shot down in a month on our territory. Including the A-50.
      3. No modern radar can detect the operation of a small TT accelerator. Modern radars do not react to the thermal signature at all.
      This is the future, and for large aircraft and their dimensions, there are vague traces.
      Only a high-quality OLS with a powerful matrix can detect it. But ground-based ones can't do it, only airborne ones. And even then, very close.

      So you're just a dreamer.
      1. +5
        3 January 2025 10: 58
        What are you talking about now? It's already clear from this phrase that you skimmed (or you're on an American ration):
        Although JDAM was originally planned for 1000-pound, the maximum amount of work from 95 to this day, both modernization and upgrades, has been done in the 500-pound format.

        What JDAM? We are talking about the UMPK. The JDAM comes with the bomb. And the UMPK (by the way, the project was "cut" at the time not without the participation of competition from the USA, and only SVO showed where what and how) is on any a bomb lying underfoot (there are a huge number of them in warehouses, which is why the US sounded the alarm) can be attached Universal Planning and Correction Module.
        We recall the ambush tactics of using Patriots, when almost a dozen planes were shot down in a month on our territory. Including the A-50.

        Where do you get this data from? From Ukrainian websites?
        Let's remember how, in a week, 3 Patriots were destroyed according to objective reconnaissance footage (UAV), and 5 according to data without it. They tried to move closer to the LBS.
        Patriot's performance characteristics - target detection - 70 km. In order to detect a bomber being bombed by the LBS, the Patriot itself must be moved exactly to the LBS. Under the "birds". Which is what happened.
        Yes, ours sometimes fly closer to bomb deep into the LBS. There was an interception. It was even recorded. You can google how our bomber evaded the "Patriots". It was accompanied by a Su-35, which in active, damn radar, tracked these missiles. So, the Su-34 is not a heavy bomber, it can also perform aerobatics. It got away from 4 missiles.
        As for the A-50s, are you completely unaware of them? Two of them were shot down. And one of them was shot down over the Krasnodar region. And, imagine, it wasn't a Patriot. Unfortunately, ours did it. Both of them. The imperfection of the "friend or foe" system and the excessive zeal of the anti-aircraft gunners.
        Modern radars do not react to thermal signatures at all.

        But the missiles react.
        All modern close-in air combat missiles (for example, the domestic R-73 or the American AIM-9X Sidewinder) use homing to the target’s thermal signature. The heat sources in this case are the exhaust of hot gases from the engine and parts of the fuselage of the aircraft, which heat up during flight in dense layers of the atmosphere. And the greater the temperature difference between the environment and the aircraft, the more contrasting the target is in the infrared optical range.

        Read this (right here, on topvar):
        https://topwar.ru/235642-zenitnye-raketnye-kompleksy-na-baze-upravljaemyh-raket-vozduh-vozduh-s-teplovoj-sistemoj-navedenija-iris-t-spyder-i-drugih.html
        Therefore, if I am a fabricator, then you are simply a special disinformer, or, more simply, an embedded agent of the IPSO.
        1. +1
          3 January 2025 13: 55
          Jidam is just a set for a regular bomb. And to blame the Americans for slaughtering the umpk...
          1. +1
            3 January 2025 16: 08
            Well, what did you think? Yeltsin "God bless America", the US-advisers in our defense complex. Yes, jokes. The development of the UMPK began in the very long 90s. And suddenly died out. Suddenly, imagine. But the Americans got JDAM. They just did everything according to the principle "buy our bomb - buy a module for it. Very expensive." They do everything according to the advertising principle - expensive, but only here.
            1. 0
              3 January 2025 17: 58
              UMPK was pushed aside because of Hephaestus. And not only UMPK. Competition within the domestic military-industrial complex has not been cancelled. Again, you have Obama and Biden to blame.
              1. +2
                4 January 2025 02: 38
                Well, yes, of course. Obama pees at our door. It happens.
                Where was Hephaestus? Why hasn't this development been in the army since 2002?
                Yes, in the same place where our plant is - the city-forming and largest in Europe for the production of metal powder - it was stupidly bought and destroyed. I will not name the industrial group - I will stumble upon an article about discrimination. The plant was destroyed to the state of... I am not impressed by the views of the destroyed Avdiivka - it is worse under my nose. Without bombing. Just type "SMZ" in the search.
    2. 0
      3 January 2025 15: 44
      For example, the French "Hammer". Well, they have engines. And it is precisely because of the presence of an engine (actually not only, but that is not the point) that our air defense detects them and destroys them.
      It's not that easy to shoot them down, the engine doesn't help much in detecting them, it finishes the job quickly.
      The reason why the enemies don't shoot down the fabs is because they have almost no air defense at the front, they have little left and they dragged all the few bourgeois systems to the rear.
      1. -1
        3 January 2025 16: 24
        It's not that easy to shoot them down, the engine doesn't help much in detecting them, it finishes the job quickly.

        Well, I agree that it is not easy. But they are shot down. The fact that the engine stops working quickly does not change the fact that their thermal signature differs from the signature of the environment for quite a long time.
        Am I angry? Here is a person who declares that:
        Modern radars do not react to thermal signatures at all.

        Have radars ever responded to a heat signature? Never. They simply identify an object within their range. But what to shoot down and what to hit is another question.
        It's just a question of the opponent's qualifications, to whom I hinted that it should be shot down with missiles. But missiles have different means of destruction. Hitting a precision missile with fragments is one thing. Hitting it by its heat signature (oh, you didn't know, but it exists) is another. Hitting a "cast iron" blank - yeah, go ahead, there are half of us in the vocational school like that, how are you going to hit us? Will you at least take off your pants? Feel the difference.
  5. -2
    3 January 2025 08: 16
    UAVs, as carriers of guided weapons, will not appear in large numbers in this war. But any aircraft, as a platform for bombs with UMPK, are quite possible.
    These could be Su-27, MiG-29, Su-24. Well, and Yak-130.

    The opposite side covered this path faster.
  6. +8
    3 January 2025 08: 35
    neural networks are now being actively used to develop promising technical solutions, sometimes this gives very original and non-standard results.
    More details from this place, please
  7. +3
    3 January 2025 08: 47
    It seems to me that to increase the range it would be good to work with it in a wind tunnel.
    It is enough to look at the photograph to see that this is a rather clumsy construction in all its forms.
    In general, I am leading to the fact that new bombs are needed for gliding flight, as well as cleaner (aerodynamically) UPMK blocks. Then the range will increase by itself. At the same time, it is possible to provide a place for fastening the accelerator, if necessary.
    The old design will soon have its day
    will play out, we need to move on.
    1. 0
      3 January 2025 09: 50
      In general, what I'm getting at is that we need new bombs for gliding flights.

      I absolutely agree with you! As for the article of the respected author, it is just a list of all possible options for improving the UPMK. It is obvious that this option was super effective when using aerial bombs from the warehouse. But they will eventually run out in the warehouses, and when moving on to the production of new ones, of course, they must initially be made gliding and with a GLONASS correction module. At the same time, it is possible to improve the aerodynamic quality and increase the range. As for the carriers, I do not see any problems, what is wrong with the Su-34, it is currently the most mass-produced bomber. And we must understand that to destroy a set of targets, fewer guided bombs are needed than free-falling ones, which means that an increase in the number of carriers will not be required.
    2. +3
      3 January 2025 13: 36
      I completely agree! It's time to at least put some clumsy fairings on the bombs, not to mention MAKING a normal streamlined design. And the wings... maybe their area should be increased by changing the opening angle?
    3. 0
      4 January 2025 22: 21
      Quote: wlkw

      In general, what I'm getting at is that new bombs are needed for gliding flights.
      In general, we will get a "new Geranium" - wings are attached to the FAB-1500-3000, inside which are fuel tanks, an engine is attached to the front or back and to all this a guidance head.
      Calculation of the area and geometry of the wings, selection of power and type of engine, guidance system...
      I leave it to specialized engineers - this is their "bread and butter".
      The launch will have to be done "like an airplane", but the landing gear will have to be detachable and discarded after takeoff.
      hi
      1. 0
        5 January 2025 08: 54
        Quote: cat Rusich
        In general, we will get a "new Geranium"

        This will not be a new Geranium (take-off weight - 200-300 kg), but a new light-engine aircraft!
        Well, and kind of going off topic, after all, we are talking about gliding bombs. They can be made in the form factor of a glider, also a good idea, but here we need compatibility with the carrier because of the wings, also a difficult question.
        Video about this https://rutube.ru/video/05921741907e29c54727acf6707b13c3/?r=plemwd
  8. +5
    3 January 2025 08: 48
    The range could be increased by increasing the aerodynamic quality of the UMPK, but a monopolist and quality are incompatible concepts. If only one company can make products, development will only be extensive.
    1. +2
      3 January 2025 16: 11
      And to do this, do it with a bomb in one case. As I understand it, the whole point is that there are still a lot of fabs left. Although they are talking about resuming production of fab-3000.
  9. +1
    3 January 2025 09: 48
    This has all been written before...
    Just as they once praised Chuguny here.
    it seems that just to write...
  10. 0
    3 January 2025 10: 13
    Is it possible to use the Tornado S 300mm missile for launches from aircraft?
    1. +1
      3 January 2025 12: 01
      In short, no. The rocket is designed for longitudinal loads, and the pylons will have transverse loads. There are also questions about the aircraft wing. The rocket is long. Not just long, but very long, such are not used in aviation. And if they are used, then these parameters are laid down at the aircraft design stage.
      1. +1
        3 January 2025 17: 22
        How did you get the Dagger from the BR Iskander?
        1. +2
          3 January 2025 18: 01
          Well, compare it yourself, anti-aircraft missiles are thin and long, and the Kinzhal is short and pot-bellied, if you compare them with each other. But initially the point is different, the dagger is made from the Iskander, which was originally intended to hit ground targets. Simple adaptation. In anti-aircraft missiles, both the warheads are "wrong" and the electronics are not specialized. There is no point in bothering, it is easier to make a new version from scratch. And if you are engaged in recycling the article, it is easier to launch from standard installations, it is possible.
  11. 0
    3 January 2025 10: 21
    It's a pity that the Tu-16 was written off, they would have worked well now with the FABMI and UMPK-R, and they had a good resource,
    1. +2
      3 January 2025 11: 48
      Quote: air wolf
      It's a pity that the Tu-16 was written off, they would have worked well now with the FABMI and UMPK-R, and they had a good resource,
      The last Tu-16 was built in 1963, what kind of service life? They weren't treated like strategists, they were used to the fullest.
      1. +2
        3 January 2025 14: 38
        The Chinese version flies quite well. They recently showed joint exercises. But the Tu-16 is subsonic, and its ceiling is 12000 m. It is weak for FABs with UMPK
        1. +1
          3 January 2025 18: 16
          Quote: ergh081
          The Chinese version flies quite well.
          The Chinese version (H-6K) was accepted into service in 2011 and serial production continues.
          1. 0
            3 January 2025 18: 51
            A new machine, probably the airframe was left the same, but the filling was replaced. They are doing the right thing, why reinvent the wheel if the Tusk is a successful plane. The laws of physics have not been repealed
          2. +1
            3 January 2025 23: 22
            The Chinese are great, there's no denying it, but on the other hand, they had no choice but to fly the TU-16. They've only just begun to approach the possibility of creating large-fuselage aircraft, and they haven't done anything on their own yet.
        2. -1
          3 January 2025 19: 12
          It's high time to make a Tu-16M, install a D-30, remove 4 extra crew members, remove extra guns, replace the avionics, at least from the Tu-22M3M, preferably sharpen the AFAR radar nose, increase the refueling system and performance characteristics by 5-10%...
          1. 0
            3 January 2025 19: 19
            I'm embarrassed to ask, but what is D-30?
            1. 0
              3 January 2025 19: 30
              Turbofan engine from Tu-154, which China also installed on its Tu-16
              1. +1
                3 January 2025 19: 33
                Just write that it's motors, otherwise I thought about the D-30 howitzer. wink Joke
    2. +1
      3 January 2025 17: 25
      What's wrong with what we have? And besides the Su34, there's everything else that's not used. This means either there aren't enough bombs, or the Su34 is enough for all missions. So the Su25 can throw Su30 and Su35 and Su27 and Mig29 and, if you think about it, the Yak130. What did I forget?
      1. 0
        3 January 2025 23: 05
        No offense, An-2. hi the admins are at it again, what else should I attribute to the Po-2, as a joke...
        1. 0
          3 January 2025 23: 24
          Well, not An2, but some kind of Orion
          1. -1
            3 January 2025 23: 28
            Orion and "price - quality" are not there, and Annushkas are running out, everything is in the pro... p... ect and galoshes do not fly out of the warehouse after the managers from the... God... Alas.
  12. +4
    3 January 2025 11: 26
    Not the extreme, but the last. Author, don't force the Russian language.
  13. +1
    3 January 2025 11: 29
    More than 31 MiG-500 aircraft have been produced. Most of them are in storage. At best, a quarter of those available are in service. They can be safely restored in Nizhny and used for their intended purpose.
    1. +1
      3 January 2025 16: 09
      The problem there is more in the engine resource. It is not that big. If it turns out that for 40 fabs we have a major overhaul of two engines - it is still not profitable.
      1. +1
        3 January 2025 16: 50
        Well, some engines can be removed from those that are in long-term storage. In addition, engines can be overhauled if there is a problem with new ones.
        1. -2
          3 January 2025 23: 10
          Dear Sir, where will you capitalize them, and with whom, our ARZ-218 was transferred to Gazprom for the profile with empty workshops for repair of turbo pumps, to pump gas to Europe (empty, without equipment, which was looted and sold, half of the machine park, and most importantly, people working, with a salary like a janitor in a village housing office)....
          1. +2
            4 January 2025 00: 30
            And what - is this the only ARZ in all of Russia that can overhaul engines? Is there no other plant left? It is possible to overhaul at the manufacturer's plant, albeit in small volumes, to begin with.
            1. +2
              4 January 2025 00: 34
              P.S. I don’t know where you got your information from, I just went to the website of JSC “Aviaremont”, the plant is operating.
    2. +1
      3 January 2025 17: 27
      And make bombs for them of small diameter with a wing of the required profile.
      It will easily fly 2-3 hundred km
      1. +1
        3 January 2025 17: 30
        Using the MiG-31 for work that the Sukhoi can handle is not the best idea.
        1. 0
          3 January 2025 17: 46
          Having a separate plane for one missile is not a better idea... moreover, it is already a fighter
          1. +1
            3 January 2025 17: 54
            "Kinzhal" is not just a missile - it is a very serious trump card, especially if it has a special warhead. It is possible that "Zircon" will also be adapted to the MiG.
            1. 0
              3 January 2025 19: 02
              Well, at least we have x32, onyx (brahmos in India), dagger, zircon
              Given its effectiveness, a mass-produced carrier is needed. Tu-22M3, Tu-160, Su-30... and some other mass-produced missile.
  14. DO
    0
    3 January 2025 12: 04
    The author forgot to mention that in addition to the unmanned carrier of small FABs with the Grom UPMK, there is the S-70 Okhotnik stealth drone, which has already been tested in the SVO zone. It is only a matter of its serial production.
    And for one and a half ton glide bombs, the unmanned version of the Su-75 will do. If, of course, it finally flies in a short time and is introduced into serial production.
    1. 0
      3 January 2025 16: 08
      It's expensive. If we fly a drone where we don't want to risk the pilot, then they WILL be shot down (otherwise where is the risk to the pilot?). The Hunter and, especially, the conditional Su-75 are not consumables.

      A semi-disposable carrier should be at least an order of magnitude cheaper.
      1. DO
        +1
        3 January 2025 17: 17
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        This is expensive.

        So, are downed Su-34s (based on the axiom that there is no war without losses) cheaper?
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        If we fly a drone where we don't want to risk the pilot, then they WILL be shot down (otherwise where is the risk to the pilot?). The Hunter and, especially, the conditional Su-75 are not consumables.

        Here on VO, the conversations of the Su-34 pilots with the ground and with the cover of the Su-35 were posted, where the 34 was attacked by 4 missiles, but miraculously survived. With such a degree of risk for the pilots, replacing the manned fighter-bomber with a drone, with the same task, is completely justified.
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        A semi-disposable carrier should be at least an order of magnitude cheaper.

        The most expensive thing in a manned aircraft is the pilots. Both in money and in human terms.
        1. 0
          3 January 2025 17: 29
          There are still a lot of questions about the tactics and routes of the bombers. The downings were from ambushes...
      2. DO
        +1
        3 January 2025 17: 41
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        A semi-disposable carrier should be at least an order of magnitude cheaper.

        Why not two or three orders of magnitude? :))) Maybe you can justify the economics?
        And why "semi-disposable"? After all, the tasks for an expensive drone should be such that in the worst case it would survive at least a dozen flights.
        When comparing the costs of a manned aircraft and a jet drone, with the same dimensions/weight and series size, the drone will be up to 2 times cheaper. At least due to 1 instead of 2 engines, and the absence of a life support system on the drone. In addition, based on the experience of the Air Defense Forces, drones are needed for a modern war much more than manned aircraft. Accordingly, the jet drone-bomber I mentioned in the comparison will be even cheaper.
        1. 0
          4 January 2025 03: 56
          Because aviation makes hundreds of sorties per loss and this is considered acceptable. It makes sense to change something when there is a benefit from it. The use of unmanned systems makes sense either if they are cheaper (and the hunter is not cheaper per ton of payload), or if the risk of losing pilots is considered unacceptable. In the latter case (high probability of defeat) we are talking about semi-disposable and very cheap systems.
          1. DO
            -1
            4 January 2025 11: 50
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            Because aviation makes hundreds of sorties for every loss

            What aviation and flights where? You should also remember civil aviation. Do you have reliable statistics on losses of Su-34 glide bomb throwers? Unlikely, because people communicate here from their couches, and if you had it, you wouldn't be writing here.
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            The use of unmanned systems makes sense either if they are cheaper (and the hunter is not cheaper per ton of payload), or if the risk of losing pilots is considered unacceptable. In the latter case (high probability of defeat), we are talking about semi-disposable and very cheap systems.

            1) Regarding "the Hunter is not cheaper per ton of load", you, like everyone else today, take into account the estimated price from the media for several pieces of experimental S-70 samples. Which, according to the laws of production, is always several times more expensive than serial production.
            It is incorrect to compare the price per ton of payload of the S-70 from the lead series and the serial Su-34.
            2) "or if the risk of losing pilots is considered unacceptable. In the latter case (high probability of defeat) we are talking about semi-disposable and very cheap systems."
            It's somehow illogical that "we", that is, you, are speaking.
            First, what does "very cheap systems" mean? How many times cheaper? 100, 10, 2, or 10%?
            And I will repeat the question, what does "semi-disposable" mean? Disposable, not "semi-", are missiles, kamikaze drones Gerani, Lancets, FPV. But the S-70 is definitely not. The average number of its sorties before loss depends on typical combat missions, which are organized based on the experience of using the S-70 in a specific conflict.
  15. -1
    3 January 2025 12: 07
    All these UMPKs are a banal embezzlement of money. The most correct use of free-fall bombs is to extract explosives from them for re-equipping ammunition, and the metal is melted down.
    Modern technologies make it possible to equip at least all types of aircraft unguided rockets and missiles used by MLRS with a seeker head.
    FPV drones are also a dead-end path of development, where one principle is one operator - one drone. With such an approach, massive impact cannot be ensured.
    It is high time to implement a unified combat management system, where UAVs are only required to constantly monitor the situation and transmit data to a single control center, process information, assess threats and make decisions on destruction based on available resources.
    So that for the same helicopters, the launch of missiles from a pitching position was not a shooting in that direction based on the data of a multi-hour range, but a strike on specific targets, where after the launch each missile would be assigned its own target.
  16. 0
    3 January 2025 12: 35
    The good old "Grachs" and the repaired MiG-29s are also perfect as carriers of the FAB with the UPMK.
    For remote work, without crossing the LBS on the SVO, it is possible and necessary to use the entire fleet of obsolete aircraft.
    It would be better to save the resources of the new Su-35/34/30SM for more serious matters that could occur in the event of an expansion of the conflict with NATO.
    Moreover, there are only 100-150 of these aircraft in the VKS and their resource is not at all endless....
    1. DO
      0
      3 January 2025 13: 25
      Using old MiG-29s is the right idea. But unlike the new and therefore highly maneuverable Sukhois, the old, albeit modernized, aircraft are very likely to fall apart and the pilot to die during extreme maneuvers to avoid a missile.
      So yes, we need to use old planes, but upgrade them into drones, initially with a simple fixed route.
      1. 0
        3 January 2025 16: 05
        It is practically impossible, because the most difficult mode for the autopilot is takeoff/landing. Remaking the same MIG will be more expensive than a drone with a lifting capacity of a ton.
        1. DO
          -1
          3 January 2025 17: 00
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          It is practically impossible, because the most difficult mode for the autopilot is takeoff/landing.

          Answer:
          Quote: https://topwar.ru/189128-amerikanskie-samolety-misheni-i-proryvateli-pvo-sozdannye-na-baze-snjatyh-s-vooruzhenija-istrebitelej.html?ysclid=m5gtf3jb63180031307
          /*In the USA*/In the 1950-s The remote control system for unmanned aerial vehicles was so well developed that it allowed not only independent takeoff and maneuvering in flight, but also landing after completing a flight mission.
          ...Using decommissioned Phantoms as target aircraft and air defense penetration aircraft

          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Remaking the same MIG would be more expensive than a drone with a lifting capacity of a ton.

          A simple economic calculation is needed here.
          But the main thing is that there are not enough serial factories for the production of new aircraft in Russia today. Using the capacity of repair factories to modernize old aircraft into drones would somewhat improve the situation.
          1. 0
            4 January 2025 03: 59
            The sufficiency of aircraft is a very interesting question. There is an opinion that the use of guided bombs is limited not by the number of aircraft, but by reconnaissance, production of UPK and logistics.
            1. DO
              0
              4 January 2025 11: 59
              You don't take into account that I was responding not to your post, but to
              Quote: assault
              It would be better to save the resources of the new Su-35/34/30SM for more serious matters that could occur in the event of an expansion of the conflict with NATO.
              Moreover, there are only 100-150 of these aircraft in the VKS and their resource is not at all endless....

              With which I personally completely agree.
        2. +1
          4 January 2025 01: 57
          The MiG-29 fighter is capable of carrying aerial bombs weighing 250 and 500 kilograms; the maximum combat load of the aircraft is three tons of aerial bombs.
          The MiG-29 was capable of carrying a six-meter RN-40 nuclear bomb with a yield of 30 kilotons, which was attached to the inner pylon of the left wing console.
    2. +1
      3 January 2025 15: 53
      As far as I understand, the old planes were written off to reach 70% of the new weapons in numbers. And the faba can be thrown from even lighter Yak-130 and L-39, not so far, of course, but cheap.
      The USSR learned to convert MiGs into drones back in the early 60s, and teaching planes to drop bombs and land is hardly an impossible task. But it’s probably not interesting to people in high places.
      1. 0
        4 January 2025 06: 29
        Faba can be thrown from even lighter Yak-130 and L-39, not as far, of course, but cheap.

        But it is much more risky for the pilots of these UBS if they suddenly fall into the sights of an enemy fighter or SAM; it is much more difficult to escape defeat in a subsonic aircraft than in an old MiG-29, which makes more than two Machs with afterburners...
        1. +1
          4 January 2025 11: 42
          I wrote below that removing a pilot from an aircraft that is engaged in bombing is a feasible task if the command is willing to do so.
          1. DO
            0
            4 January 2025 20: 33
            Quote from alexoff
            And you can throw flares from even lighter Yak-130 and L-39

            Quote from alexoff
            Removing a pilot from a plane that is engaged in bombing is a feasible task

            Yes, it is quite possible to throw not the heaviest gliding bombs from a Yak-130 modernized into a drone. Of course, if there is a surplus of these aircraft for training purposes.
            But the old L-39s can be upgraded into drones for delivery deep into enemy territory. autonomous ammunition (for example, Lancets), at extremely low altitude and with anti-aircraft maneuvers - primarily for the purpose of working on logistics and preventing the transfer of reserves.
            1. 0
              5 January 2025 01: 01
              Quote: DO
              But the old L-39s can be upgraded into drones for the purpose of delivering autonomous munitions (for example, Lancets) deep into enemy territory, at extremely low altitudes and with anti-aircraft maneuvers - primarily for the purpose of logistics and preventing the transfer of reserves.

              I don't think that lancets can be launched from an airplane without serious modifications, and in order for two devices to work in the DEEP rear, the connection must be good. In addition, their speeds are too different to transmit data normally. It is better to send unmanned helicopters to the rear, like the BAS-750, and if you are going to carry out sabotage, then you can use something more serious, without pilots and their seats, a couple of FAB-250 or six FAB-100 can easily be carried away and straight along some railroad. Such a reusable geranium at maximum settings
              1. DO
                0
                5 January 2025 12: 05
                Quote from alexoff
                In order for two devices to work in the DEEP rear, the connection must be good. In addition, their speeds are too different to transmit data normally.

                Of course, it is better to have a connection than not. But given the enemy's deep rear + electronic warfare, there will most likely be no connection at all. That is why I wrote about the delivery of AUTONOMOUS ammunition. That is, kamikaze drones that independently, without the operator's participation, search for a target and attack it. Autonomous Lancets are used in the SVO zone, they even have the functions of selecting a priority target and distributing targets in a swarm. Google the question.
                The L-39 carrier can initially fly along a fixed route, programmed into its memory before takeoff - to a point indicated by intelligence. Of course, external assistance from the operator along the route is desirable in the form of prompts to the drone program based on intelligence data on how to maneuver and change the route in flight. But this possibility depends on the availability of communication.
                The BAS-750 is a good thing. But the chances of making at least a few sorties deep into the enemy's rear and surviving are practically zero, the speed is too low. Therefore, most likely the main niche of the BAS-750 is logistics from our rear to the LBS.
                The use of aircraft, unmanned or not, to deliver free-fall bombs to a target is contrary to the experience of the Air Defense Forces. Because the air defense system will leave these bombers in tatters on their first flight.
  17. 0
    3 January 2025 13: 22
    Pulse jet engines are designed to operate at speeds of less than 400 kilometers per hour.

    This means that it is necessary to launch FABs from UPMKs equipped with a pulsejet from army aviation helicopters, where the speed is 200-300 km/h, so the pulsejet is guaranteed to start...
    1. +1
      3 January 2025 16: 02
      It makes no sense, it's easier to use the starting engine. But that also makes no sense, since the whole point of a guided air bomb is that instead of an engine (rocket part) an airplane engine (which is reusable and cheaper) is used. Otherwise we get a regular cruise missile.
    2. 0
      3 January 2025 22: 59
      Actually, when our guys made their version of the V-700 after WWII, they accelerated the drone with two such engines to 400+ km/h. This was written about on this resource. So where the version about 1 km/h came from is unclear. Probably from the German V-500, but it was also all crudely put together in the interests of cost savings. That's where the speed comes from, although it seemed to fly over XNUMX km, I'm too lazy to look up the performance characteristics.
      True, there was an engine of a slightly different design, but it also pulsated.
  18. 0
    3 January 2025 13: 45
    what the author doesn't like about the Su-24 is that it's also supersonic
    1. 0
      3 January 2025 16: 00
      There aren't any. The ones that were there have exhausted their service life, and their overhaul costs the same as the overhaul of the Su-34, only more difficult due to the lack of production of some spare parts.
  19. 0
    3 January 2025 15: 05
    To destroy a platoon strongpoint (approximately 0,15 sq. km.) Previously, a tactical nuclear charge was required.
    1. +2
      3 January 2025 16: 01
      Well, it depends on where. If you dug into the ground, then a cassette is better. But if you secured yourself in some building element, then a fab is the best.
    2. 0
      4 January 2025 11: 56
      To destroy a platoon strongpoint (approximately 0,15 sq. km.) Previously, a tactical nuclear charge was required.

      To destroy an airborne strongpoint, 3-5 shots from a 240 mm Tulip are enough, and no nuclear weapons are needed.
      Tactical nuclear warheads are designed to destroy not platoons, but divisions and
      enemy armies, airfields,
      warehouses of weapons, ammunition and
      Fuel and lubricants of the army level...
      1. DO
        0
        4 January 2025 12: 30
        Quote: assault
        Tactical nuclear warheads are designed to destroy not platoons, but divisions and
        enemy armies, airfields,
        warehouses of weapons, ammunition and
        Fuel and lubricants of the army level...

        The modern conflict of the SVO has made adjustments to the Soviet standards for the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Because personnel, equipment, ammunition, in the conditions of the use of long-range high-precision weapons, both sides are forced to disperse so that conventional weapons are quite sufficient to work on them.
        But what cannot be dispersed is a warship or submarine. Considering that the NATO Navy carries the bulk of the missiles that the alliance has in abundance, in the event of a direct conflict, it is unlikely that the Russian Armed Forces will be able to avoid using TNW against the NATO Navy.
  20. 0
    3 January 2025 15: 58
    1. The engine also has mass. For the FAB-3000, it's at least a ton. Which carrier has a suspension for almost five tons (the UMPK also has mass)?
    2. Grom is still expensive. We need the simplest airframe for universal installation of decommissioned engines from any other aircraft.
    3. It seems strange that molding from what was available (fab, umpk, some engine) turns out to be cheaper than designing and manufacturing a specific product. When designing, it is not difficult to lay embedded parts for mounting the umpk on the bomb body, and make the tail stabilizer dark (on a flange, for example), so that it can be easily replaced with an engine.
    1. 0
      3 January 2025 16: 36
      As an option, it is possible to create a single-shot mortar on a caterpillar track. Considering the fact that even in the Middle Ages, special bombards were made for storming fortresses, one of them is kept in the Vienna Museum, with its own weight of 7 tons, it fired 1 kg cannonballs at 650 km, this is more than the FAB-500, and this weapon was made in the 15th century, it seems that in the 21st century it is possible to make an analogue that shoots 1000-1500 kg mines at 1-2 km, and then the mine has good accuracy at a low price.
  21. +2
    3 January 2025 22: 15
    A powder accelerator to provide the initial impulse naturally suggests itself in the design.
    Aerodynamics need to be improved.
    1. 0
      4 January 2025 04: 03
      The initial impulse is given by the speed of the aircraft.
  22. +1
    3 January 2025 22: 29
    there was no point in cutting the MiG-23/27
    Refit the Su-25 for 250/500 kg instead of shooting Nursas into the milk.
  23. 0
    3 January 2025 22: 58
    It would be interesting to read the arguments of the opponents of the UMPK. Actually, I thought that we have had them for a long time. The Americans have them, ours are copying them. But it turned out that only need forced them to adopt them.
  24. +1
    4 January 2025 11: 40
    In the West, the "bomb with a motor" Grom began to be considered a new type of ammunition in terms of its lethality. A missile weighing 650 kg, half of which is a warhead, and which flies at a speed of about 2M to the target with a deviation of 1 m, is considered a fundamentally new weapon. The carrier aircraft does not need to rise high above the horizon, and the missile launch occurs unnoticed by surveillance equipment. And the range of 120 km guarantees the pilot's safety. That is, this is shooting without retaliation.
  25. 0
    4 January 2025 15: 08
    Quote: SovAr238A
    3. No modern radar can detect the operation of a small TT accelerator.

    They will detect everything perfectly, the plasma is very clearly visible on the radar. Another thing is that the TT burns for a couple of seconds and you can't build a flight trajectory on that. It turns out that what happens is simply the fact of detection "that there was definitely something there and... floated away..." There is little sense in this if they cannot continue tracking "by cast iron".
  26. 0
    9 January 2025 14: 16
    Do you think something like this could be used?

    TURBINE SWIWIN SW300B
    SPECIFICATION
    Diameter: 132 mm
    Length: 340 mm
    Weight: 2502 g
    Max RPM: 98000
    Thrust: 30 kg at 15° C
    EGT: 700°C max.
    Fuel consumption: 820 g/min
    Fuel: Jet A1, Kerosene
    Oil: 5%
    Recommended maintenance after 25 hours of operation.