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Cyprus history: driving - Germany

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19 March, the Cyprus Parliament rejected a bill to impose a tax on bank deposits. 36 deputies voted against the tax, and 19 people's deputies abstained. Who voted for the introduction? Yes, no one. And who was the conductor of the idea? European Union and International Monetary Fund. They decided to give Cyprus money (10 billion euros), but at the same time oblige Cyprus investors to pay a one-time fee to the treasury, which would save the island from bankruptcy.




The EU and the IMF agreed among themselves that deposits in Cyprus banks would be liable for a one-time tax: the 6,75% rate would affect deposits less than 100 thousand euros, and the 9,9% rate would “hit” larger deposits.

This is an unprecedented decision of the eurozone finance ministers caused shock on the island, as well as understandable alarm beyond its borders. Cyprus stopped or restricted the work of ATMs. The country has come "bank holidays". Finance Minister Michalis Serris submitted his resignation, but the President of Cyprus rejected his application.

The President of Cyprus, Mr. Anastasiadis, called the Kremlin on Tuesday evening and spoke to the President of Russia. On the eve, on Monday, comrade Putin criticized the European aid plan for Cyprus. In the tone he made and Dm. Medvedev.

The President of the Russian Federation found European measures alleged to be “unjust, unprofessional and dangerous” in relation to Cyprus, and the Prime Minister said that “it looks like confiscation of other people's money”. Presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov explained in an interview with Russia Today TV channel that “the Russian side is seriously concerned about the compulsory alienation of private property, which could seriously undermine confidence in the banking sector and the eurozone financial system.”

They talked about the so-called “deoffshorization” in Russia. Comrade Putin stressed: "In our relations with our Cypriot colleagues, we have always insisted on providing us with complete information and on the need for cooperation in ensuring transparency."

Dmitry Babich ("Voice of Russia") expresses the view that the EU bureaucrats were aiming at the Russian oligarchs. It was probably supposed that the loss of part of the money in Cyprus by the Moscow Fat Men was much less tragic than the payment of aid from European funds to Cyprus.

Quite by the way, it reminds “the expropriation of the expropriators,” or “the plunder of the loot.”

Dmitry Babich writes:

“But how does this logic differ from the logic of the Bolsheviks, who considered that poor people have good private property, but private capital is bad for capitalists, and therefore it is not a sin to take it away? Now all the new Bolshevik options of tax exemption for small Cypriot deposits at the expense of an even more severe taxation of large deposits are being discussed. For the Cypriots, this Bolshevik logic, however, did not find a response. ”


The German magazine Der Spiegel quotes the head of the Cyprus Chamber of Commerce Philokipros Andreou: “Frau chancellor named Angela Merkel and German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble have harmed many innocent people. And for what? To harm five or six Russian oligarchs? In this situation, we, the Cypriots, feel like victims. ”

The countries of the European Union will suffer from the Cyprus collapse. According to Statis Kittis, a former member of the Cypriot parliament, and now the head of the Cypriot telecommunications company, the losses of these countries will not at least overtake the Russian losses in time, but most likely will surpass in volume: “This will not stop in Cyprus. This история will create a snowball effect by spreading to other countries in southern Europe. "

Cyprus is not alone in the financial crisis. Similar problems exist in Italy, Spain, Portugal. The European Union can also recommend them to take money from investors. Who needs such recommendations? And then why is the EU needed? The government of any country can take money without supranational add-ons - “the truth is, only once,” Kittis sarcastically.

As it turned out, Dmitry Babich writes, the European Union is a strange bureaucratic mechanism that is not capable of helping its members. Instead of helping, he pushes them into a suicidal economic policy.

Many western observers today express concern by the fact that the EU’s decision to “aid” Cyprus may cause a ripple effect that will sweep across Europe. If European leaders decided to violate the unspoken rule of rendering assistance to banks (“Contributions are sacred”), then who will now guarantee that the violation will not spread further in waves, starting, for example, from Spain - in order not to reach the ninth wave? Morgan Stanley economist Joachim Fels writes: “I see this as a disturbing precedent with potential consequences for the system if depositors in other peripheral countries start to fear that they can do the same.”

The main precedent, anyway, already had a place to be. Yes, the Cypriot parliament voted against. Yes, not a single vote "for" was cast. But panic has already settled in the hearts of citizens. And in the minds of investors. It is possible that the EU pushes its initiative - “Cyprus” needs to be “saved”. (By the way, 10 billions of aid is money at interest).

Professor Valentin Katasonov считаетthat the problem of inevitable cardinal changes in the world banking system persists, even if in Cyprus the idea of ​​taxing deposits was rejected. Most likely, the economist believes, the attempts to introduce a “tax” will be repeated - not in Cyprus, but in another country. Trial ball is running. At the same time, comrade Katasonov notes, deposit practice is changing. For several centuries, bankers created a resource base at the expense of deposits, attracting money with the help of interest paid to depositors. Today, the old practice probably comes to an end. The largest Swiss banks from 2012 of the year switched to charging customers for the placement of funds in deposit accounts. What prevents other countries from taking an example from the Swiss? And, regardless of further developments in Cyprus, the global banking system is facing serious upheavals and imminent transformation, according to V. Katasonov, who calls the possible introduction of a “tax” on bank deposits as an encroachment on customers' private property, confiscation, a command about which was given by the structures of the European Union, which are the "largest banksters". Katasonov compares the team on the confiscation of deposits in Cyprus with the surplus, which was carried out by the Bolsheviks, and the decree of President F. Roosevelt in 1933, the delivery of gold to the state to all individuals and legal entities in a month. In fact, we are dealing with banking Bolshevism, the scientist concludes.

Why did Cyprus offer such a strange "Bolshevik" option? What is this, the use of the formula “the salvation of the drowning is the work of the drowning”? Why so insist on these confiscation measures in the EU and the IMF, knowing full well that Cyprus will pull other drowning people behind it?

In the West, they revel in the fact that Cypriot measures will allow them to put an end to the activities of “nominees”, so to speak, representing holdings of large Russian companies.

Correspondent "Le Figaro" Pierre Avril пишетthat many holdings of large Russian companies, including state ones, are registered in Cyprus. On the other hand, “the introduction of a tax on deposits serves the interests of Moscow, since it makes the Cyprus financial platform less attractive and encourages Russian investors to return their assets to their homeland.”

The columnist Der Spiegel, Benjamin Bidder, also discusses this: “The crisis and the withdrawal of funds from depositors of depositors seriously undermine the island’s reputation as a reliable place for the contributions of the Russian rich, and, as you know, declared war on foreign offshore companies.” According to the journalist, with the help of “deoffshorization”, Comrade Putin wants to return Russian money from abroad to his homeland and enhance Moscow’s image as a financial center.

Stefan Westgreen on The Financial Times blog says: “... every cloud has a silver lining: now Russian President Vladimir Putin will have a great opportunity to impress the world with his generosity and foresight. He should be willing to cover the losses of Russian investors - but only on the condition that they certify their identity and disclose the sources of their funds. ” The Russian president has a great chance in the fight against corruption. “What will stop Putin this time?” The author asks.

Paul Krugman in the blog "The New York Times" notes that the role of the Russian factor in the Cyprus crisis is very significant. He cites Isabella Kaminska's data in FT Alphaville, which estimated Russians' deposits in Cypriot banks in 19 billion euros, which exceeds the GDP of Cyprus.

All these Western authors, speaking of Cyprus and Russian interests, including state ones, seem to hint at the fact that the only reason for such radical measures that have not been proposed in a crisis Europe nowhere else is the money of Russian nouveau riche and fat cats, including adhering to the state or growing simultaneously with it. What is bad for Russia is good for the West. The fact that it is bad for Cyprus is also immediately forgotten or discarded. The fact that tomorrow it will be bad for other Western countries is ignored.

A very strange, completely one-sided position, which seems to have its own conductors and puppeteers. And they don’t care about Russia; Russia with its offshore money is just a convenient distraction.

Dmitry Danilov, Head of the European Security Department at the Institute of Europe, RAS, explained to the correspondent "Expert" E. Novikova that “taxis” in the Cyprus rescue project Germany.

“... Who steers, it is clear: the main proposals come from Germany, supported by France. But it seems to me that in this case went too far. Because, it would seem, quite technologically competent paper solution is absolutely at odds with the realities of life. And the consequences of this discrepancy were not calculated. Now it is clear that if the proposal came from Germany, as many say, whoever lobbied for it, it reduces Germany from the place of the leader in the fight against the financial and economic crisis in the EU to a very unpresentable poker player who is trying to raise his own rates in every possible way the rest at this gaming table. ”


In Cyprus there are banners with slogans: “The EU is not for Germany”. The posters Angela Merkel depicted on the background of the swastika. All this beats the political prestige of Germany, the expert said. In his opinion, with any outcome, the political role of Germany in the process of solving financial and economic problems is undermined.

Today we are talking about the possibility of the collapse of the financial system of Cyprus, the announcement of a "default". If someone considered this option as a second step, says Dmitry Danilov, then this is a planned step. True, it is difficult to estimate the expected gain, “not having a financial analysis in hand”.

If track news in the media on the Cyprus topic, it becomes clear: first, the initiators of the "Cyprus project" are hidden in the shadows; secondly, experienced analysts have no doubt that the “legs are growing” from Germany; thirdly, it is obvious that the topic of Russian offshore money was deliberately thrown into the press - and so successfully thrown in that it was not silenced in the Kremlin. All this suggests that in the coming weeks it will be necessary to wait for big news from Cyprus and the EU.

Today, judging by the news of the leading Russian agencies, in Cyprus, they sat down to develop a “plan B”. Government spokesman Christ Stylianidis saidthat the plan is being developed in order to reduce the amount of 5,8 billion euros, which the EU has demanded to recover through the forced cancellation of bank deposits.

As for Russia, March 20 is the head of the Cyprus Ministry of Finance Michalis Sarris following a meeting with Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov сообщил to journalists that negotiations over the provision of financial assistance by Russia to Cyprus have not been completed. He said that the parties did not reach a final decision, but will continue the negotiations. However, the meeting with Siluanov Sarris called constructive.

Mild pressure on Russia is on the other side. During a meeting of 20 in March with the head of the Cypriot Orthodox Church, Archbishop Chrysostomos, the President of Cyprus asked ask him for support from Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

It is obvious that neither the ministerial financiers, nor the President of Cyprus, obeyed the ominous warning of the “Chancellor” - one of the main actors in the EU. After all, Angela Merkel, talking on the phone with Anastasiadis, frankly stated that Cyprus should negotiate to get out of a difficult financial situation exclusively with international lenders, without involving third parties, including Russia.

Everything goes to the fact that the EU, pushed by Germany, will finish off Cyprus offshore. Germany and France, who set the tone for the EU, will devour everyone and reign over Europe.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. radio operator
    radio operator 21 March 2013 08: 14
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    Something in no hurry, the Prime Minister of Cyprus in Germany.
    And since Tuesday in Moscow hanging out. Apparently, the Germans are not such good partners.
    Let's see what will happen next.
    1. alma
      alma 21 March 2013 09: 17
      15
      Then they began to speak in the news that Russia would require a navy base in exchange for use. Maybe they’ll agree on the airfield ... fellow And what, as an option good
      You only have to invest money ...
      1. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 21 March 2013 09: 39
        11
        alma
        The option is excellent, for us a little fantastic. Sadness about money from our misery, but! With this sauce, bases are created in other countries, take the same Americans ... we need to learn
        1. Goga
          Goga 21 March 2013 10: 16
          +7
          Akhtuba73 - A colleague - it is very doubtful about a military base, but in exchange for help, bargaining for yourself the right to extract gas from coastal fields is quite real bully
          1. Akhtuba73
            Akhtuba73 21 March 2013 10: 30
            +4
            Good day, Goga!
            One another is not a hindrance, but together - an unlikely happiness. My point: there will be a base - there will be gas, and gas workers are unlikely to get a base for us later. At the base is a trump card for all conversations!
            1. speedy
              speedy 21 March 2013 12: 42
              +4
              Infa has already sounded on the air that Gazprom offered Cyprus assistance in exchange for gas fields, and if they agree, then as a result, it will be possible to talk about the base, because the property needs to be protected. And it seems to me that all this pressure on Cyprus is not without an eye on gas - it is easier to negotiate with a bankrupt, and the "hegemons" are very fond of resources for free, but the Cypriots are more and more appealing to Russia for help.
          2. подводник
            подводник 21 March 2013 10: 54
            +5
            The trouble is that the Cypriots are not the owners in their home ....
            Since 1960, small Britain has owned two military bases on this island: Akrotiri and Dhekelia ... how it happened, the story is strange, but Cyprus has not received a penny from the British for all that time ...
            Since 1974, the Turks have annexed the northern territories of the island under the pretext of protecting the local population, which has Turkish roots ...
            What am I talking about .... but that there is Cyprus today, and tomorrow ???
            Who to save and from what, if they themselves can’t put things in order in their house ...
            1. подводник
              подводник 21 March 2013 10: 58
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              Here is the location of these bases on the map of Cyprus (highlighted in pink)
            2. Zopuhhh
              Zopuhhh 21 March 2013 14: 18
              +2
              The difference between our base and the English ... Ours would have protected the Cypriots from the Turks (especially during the Soviet era, the Turks simply would not have dared).
          3. Egen
            Egen 21 March 2013 11: 56
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            Quote: Gogh
            bargain for the right to produce gas from offshore fields

            IMHO as such, we don’t need this gas - and Gazprom has more costs than profit, and we have nowhere to go (by 2015 the United States intends to start exporting gas, and by 2020 the United States will be the largest producer of oil and gas (due to slate)).
            The only thing is from the point of view as a mechanism of influence on the island's politics. And what, the Cypriots are rather hot people, and freedom-loving, no worse than the Cubans :))
            1. olegyurjewitch
              olegyurjewitch 21 March 2013 12: 45
              +7
              Quote: Egen
              (due to oil shale)).

              Due to the oil shale, my grandmother for two said it was too expensive and environmentally dangerous event.
              1. Egen
                Egen 22 March 2013 08: 47
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                Quote: olegyurjewitch
                too expensive and environmentally dangerous event


                well, yes, there’s a little of that, but it’s developing and with what steps despite all sorts of laws and actions of green and other colors :), so that means it’s profitable. But the most important thing is that this is a national strategy, and such a colossus cannot be reversed :)
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 21 March 2013 18: 57
              +1
              as such in itself we don’t need gas -

              This gas is the EU energy insurance from Gazprom. And when Gazprom takes over the fields, Europe will become much more polite. Because energy resources are still needed, and it’s very sad to lose almost everything. The fact that gas is no longer European, which will be produced and sold as the EU says, but Russian, will be a very, very, very big problem for many.

              and to 2020. The United States will be the largest producer of oil and gas (due to oil shale)).

              Yes it is as much as you like. Only it is expensive, the debit of the well runs out in 3 of the year, and it is not suitable for the chemical industry. So it’s easier to switch to firewood, birch lol . But here, Russia is a monopolist, because where do you pick up firewood in Europe? hi
              1. Egen
                Egen 22 March 2013 08: 45
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                Quote: Botanologist
                well debit runs out in 3 years

                And you see the gas I understand? :) Well, yes, shale - for 3 years, a maximum of 5, but there are also coalbed methane, and coal in the USA is mined 2 p more than in the Russian Federation, and the state there pays for each cubic meter of methane. And there, the well is calculated for 15 or even 20 years. We also started drilling in Kuzbass, and also in Irkutsk and Karaganda. It’s interesting, but unfortunately we don’t have San Juan :( By the way, gas extracted from coal consists of 99,92% methane, and in ordinary natural gas only 60-80% happens. Therefore, although it’s expensive, it pays off.
                Quote: Botanologist
                This gas is EU energy insurance from Gazprom

                Probably so, only LNG from Arabia should still be cheaper ...
          4. kristofer
            kristofer 21 March 2013 12: 43
            +4
            and pipes to the drilling rigs should be delivered by Kuznetsov
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 21 March 2013 15: 27
              +1
              Duck the most! The neighborhood of our base would benefit Gazprom's construction camp! And the credit from lemongrasses could then be claimed, that is, help the Cypriots in this. And they won’t give it away - it would have been much easier for them, Anglo-Saxon friends, to ask from the island.
              That's just Turkey ... but you can remain a strong power only by showing strength. Skillful political maneuvering, good naval maneuvers ... and an emphasized, painstakingly bulging stance - we are for private property! For our and your money, so to speak! We keep our contributions, we protect yours. We will help with unscrupulous debtors (the business is through the usual. We have a sea of ​​specialists! wink ) In a crisis, such services are needed as needed, but to such people and countries, you won’t directly think laughing A lot can be won in such a mess, if not to be foolish.
          5. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 March 2013 14: 41
            +2
            Quote: Gogh
            Akhtuba73 - A colleague - it is very doubtful about a military base, but in exchange for help, bargaining for yourself the right to extract gas from coastal fields is quite real

            And deposits must be protected, in this context, the Mediterranean squadron is not accidentally created in a hurry, and for our PMCs there is more work to be done.
          6. Pancho
            Pancho 21 March 2013 19: 28
            +1
            You might think that something will break off from these gas fields — keep your pockets wider.
            1. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 21 March 2013 22: 01
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              Quote: Pancho
              something breaks off -

              My dear man, do you mean that you must break something off from everything that the country is doing? A strange position. It seems to me that I know guys who laughed about this not so long ago in a famous square. But for some reason, most people did not like it.
              1. Pancho
                Pancho 21 March 2013 22: 56
                +2
                Tverichanka, I believe that if Gazprom is a state-owned company, then the whole nation should break off essno, and not a handful of the leadership. And you are naive if you think that they will share with the people. The people of Russia have nothing to sell, well, or almost nothing.
                Quote: Tverichanka
                I know guys who recently laughed about it in a famous square. But for some reason, most people did not like it.

                And yet - you don’t have to make such statements on behalf of the majority of the people, you take a lot on yourself. And what kind of guys are you explaining with riddles to you? Guys, and there is enough space in our country, thank God what exactly is speech?
              2. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 22 March 2013 03: 01
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                So they waited for the main pigeon eagle to land smoothly in this triangle. There is one modest decision. Jews can start shaking a tree called IRAN. They probably know better. I think smaller pigeon eagles will appear soon but very warlike. very interesting views are emerging in this area, Turkey and Qatar could not arrange a real democratic revolution in Syria, soon everything will change, and Cyprus is an episode of the policy that they are against Russia, Yes, we are weak, we are losing our positions but I hope that our authorities can find such a a decision that will cool down these pigeon eagles, intoxicated by their successes, In general, it is strange that for the first time they used a battering ram against us, Something is beginning to interfere with them, But they were about to bring the world to Syria in the form of bombs, Iran is next in turn, And the witnesses of democratization themselves understand not needed
              3. Egen
                Egen 22 March 2013 09: 29
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                Quote: Tverichanka
                you must definitely break something

                From Gazprom at least something breaks off the people. The military looked at their site - how much money is being banged into sponsorship, social facilities, all sorts of initiatives, etc. And for the construction of all kinds of wells and gas pipelines, a lot of what is needed from the entire Russian industry = the development of related industries.
                We somehow supplied a non-woven fabric to the gas pipeline to China, so a half-factory had enough business for half a year :)
                So it turns out that I broke off :)
      2. Hunter thomson
        Hunter thomson 21 March 2013 10: 24
        +1
        And where to jump from this airfield? What are we going to bomb? Greece, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon or Israel? There are no other candidates.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 21 March 2013 11: 09
          +6
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          And where to jump from this airfield? What are you going to bomb?

          Why bomb right away? This is so not tolerant !!!!
          Scouts, for example, can fly.
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 21 March 2013 12: 02
          +4
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          or israel

          Exclusively Zionists in Israel. And immigrants from the former USSR that settled in a large number in the promised land.
          Beat your own (former), so that strangers would be afraid. soldier
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 21 March 2013 13: 58
            +8
            Quote: Papakiko
            Quote: Hunter Thomson
            or israel

            Exclusively Zionists in Israel. And immigrants from the former USSR that settled in a large number in the promised land.
            Beat your own (former), so that strangers would be afraid. soldier

            You shouldn’t be so. It was here that they were Jews. There they are Russians!
            1. Allegedly
              Allegedly 21 March 2013 14: 14
              +6
              Quite right, the Russians, or rather OLIMA. For the native Israelis they are second-class people, the work is dirtier, the housing is worse, it is about them. The hostility is mixed with disgust, and probably only the presence of a large number of Arabs does not allow this wonderful and exciting feeling to unfold ...
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 21 March 2013 15: 11
                0
                Quote: JACOB
                That's right, Russians,

                ISRAEL "Farewell to Slavyanka"
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-idDvI9Jok0
                The girls are super !!!
                1. xan
                  xan 21 March 2013 16: 02
                  +6
                  Quote: Sukhov
                  SRAEL "Slavyanka's Farewell"
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-idDvI9Jok0
                  The girls are super !!!

                  maybe for someone and super
                  but it doesn’t light nichrome, they sing like on a children's matinee
                  now I know for sure that even an unkillable authoritative thing among Russians can be spoiled if non-Russians take up business
                  1. Tverichanka
                    Tverichanka 21 March 2013 22: 07
                    0
                    Quote: xan
                    a thing can be ruined

                    Ah well done !!!!! That's right !!!!! No one is better than us and can never do anything of ours!
                  2. Pancho
                    Pancho 21 March 2013 22: 59
                    -1
                    It seems to me that this is also blasphemy.
              2. Papakiko
                Papakiko 21 March 2013 15: 30
                +4
                Quote: JACOB
                For Native Israelis they are second-class people

                And how long have these "native" Israelites been living there?

                People who received an education and lived fairly tolerably and who suddenly moved to their "new homeland" will NEVER receive respect from the "aborigines" in whose presence they throw mud at the "small former homeland".
            2. TUMAN
              TUMAN 21 March 2013 14: 58
              +4
              Quote: Sukhov
              You shouldn’t be so. It was here that they were Jews. There they are Russians!

              That's for sure! Sacrificial rams for the next Holocaust!
          2. TUMAN
            TUMAN 21 March 2013 14: 56
            +1
            Quote: Papakiko
            Exclusively Zionists in Israel. And immigrants from the former USSR that settled in large numbers in the promised land. Beat your own (former), so that strangers would be afraid.

            good
        3. Botanologist
          Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 01
          +3
          What are you going to bomb?

          Pirates, of course, who else? There are many of them, and they are different. Sometimes you look - a military ship under the flag of NATO. And take a closer look - the pirates disguised. How not to bomb? drinks
      3. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 21 March 2013 12: 21
        +3
        I think that in the decision to place the Russian naval base in Cyprus, Cyprus itself does not have a decisive vote. What the EU, together with NATA and USA, will allow him, they will do, but I am sure that "these" will not allow the deployment of a Russian base in Cyprus.
      4. Good Ukraine
        Good Ukraine 21 March 2013 15: 45
        +2
        good
        Quote: alma
        Then they began to speak in the news that Russia would demand a navy base in return


        Yes, they talked about this on Monday
        http://warfiles.ru/show-26612-daily-mail-rossiya-predlozhila-finansovuyu-pomosch
        -kipru-v-obmen-na-bazu-vms.html
        And yesterday, Medvedev confirmed that such a proposal is being considered.
        Money will certainly have to be spent, but the Navy Base is worth it. Just look at the map of the Mediterranean Sea. And in Syria everything will be different. I think it was not for nothing that last week they started talking about a constant presence in this region. If so, then many will become uncomfortable.
      5. starshina78
        starshina78 21 March 2013 19: 42
        0
        Yes, even the whole island of Cyprus! Why the Government will not explain, but how the state's money got there, in Cyprus, besides, which were allocated under the program to increase our sense of patriotism (this is one part of the money that is stored there). Who does not believe, see the program "Open Studio "on Channel 5, where it was openly said about this (the program was dedicated to the Government's proposal to fund patriotic organizations that increase the level of patriotism among us, citizens of Russia). Nonsense, the money allocated for Russian organizations is in Cyprus.
        1. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 21 March 2013 22: 13
          0
          Quote: starshina78
          , watch the program "Open Studio

          That's just not necessary to record this transfer in the authorities. Those still nits. They just love to wrap anything in a beautiful wrapper, but in fact, the shit are cleaner than "swamps". Because everything is so believable, with links to "experts" ...
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 21 March 2013 09: 29
      +2
      The question is as always. Who, for the sake of the actions of Germany, that is, Merkel. . Merkel was the initiator of the crisis in Cyprus. The question is, why does she need this crisis, with the consequences of the collapse of the euro zone? Perhaps the command from above came to hit under the breath of Russia. But in general, the topic is not bad, if the issue with Cyprus passes, then all investors in Europe can be so robbed. Robingobsha fucking. A good position in Germany, doing nothing and not straining, get EVERYTHING. Handwriting one overseas. Russia holds more than 5 trillion UE in European banks
      1. Hunter thomson
        Hunter thomson 21 March 2013 10: 30
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        Quote: Sirocco
        A good position in Germany, doing nothing and not straining, get EVERYTHING.


        Germany she is generally like that. The Germans, they’re doing nothing, you see. They drink Schnapps and don’t know any troubles, but the Greeks, Cypriots and Spaniards, they are hurting their backs 24/7, they are stabbing for 16 hours, all hands are in hard calluses. laughing You won the "Joke of the Day" category.
        1. Egen
          Egen 21 March 2013 11: 58
          +4
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          but the Greeks, Cypriots and Spaniards, they’re hurting their backs 24/7, they are stabbing for 16 hours, all hands in labor corns

          Hands off the southern working people! :))) They have such a national tradition - called siesta - work 2 hours a day! :))))))
        2. Allegedly
          Allegedly 21 March 2013 15: 06
          +7
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          but the Greeks, Cypriots and Spaniards, their back aches 24/7, they stab for 16 hours


          Do you know that until recently, Greece had a five-hour work day? And about the fact that there was a retirement age of 52, do you also know? Well, at least you heard about the minimum pension of 700 faith? And about the fact that it was the most militarized country (per capita) also did not hear? In addition, civil servants used to have 13th and 14th salaries - one of them was given for Christmas, the other was divided in half between Easter and vacation. Now, additional salaries are replaced with benefits of € 500 for all who earn up to € 3000 per month - for the rest they are canceled altogether. More officials than in Greece are nowhere in the EU (per capita).

          Upon joining the EU (with the help of UWB), they forged the state of their finances, they lived only at the expense of debts and again debts. But towards the end of the banquet, they began to present bills. And the Greeks have so many debts that they can’t even pay them off, they won’t be able to pay even a tenth of interest on debts (in the sense of servicing their debts so that they would not grow) ...

          In no case do I want to offend anyone, but the Greeks were like parasites who lived as a whole nation at the expense of EU subsidies. And when the banquet ended, they howled the whole country ...
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 21 March 2013 18: 18
            +1
            Quote: JACOB
            In no case do I want to offend anyone, but the Greeks were like parasites who lived as a whole nation at the expense of EU subsidies.

            I wouldn’t say that. the European Union paid the Greeks so that they did not develop their agriculture, and as a result, they completely ruined it! other industries as well. So the EU has destroyed - now let it pay!
            1. DeerIvanovich
              DeerIvanovich 21 March 2013 19: 42
              -1
              that's right, fidget noticed wink
              1. tomaz99
                tomaz99 21 March 2013 22: 52
                0
                fool -Germany and France are the main payers to the budget of the Union. How can these Gypsies be helped ?! They love to live beautifully, but they do not like to plow.
            2. Allegedly
              Allegedly 22 March 2013 01: 06
              +2
              Quote: Egoza
              So the EU has destroyed - now let it pay!


              The question was initially posed incorrectly. The EU provides special loans, in this case, to Greek agriculture for deep modernization, and bringing it to EU standards. Loans were disbursed and spent on something else. And they were issued under guarantees, or to modernize, or to liquidate in general. But the Greeks took the money (and there are billions ...) and thought that they would spend on something else, they’re like in the EU, they say they won’t leave in trouble, they will give more. And if the Germans stubbornly, we will remind them that they are Nazi pigs, and they will give more money.

              The situation in Latvia with the sugar industry and the fishing industry was exactly the same. They received money from EU funds, they went anywhere, but not where the EU gave it. And as a result, the sugar and fishing industries are closed. Also, the Ignalina NPP was closed in Lithuania, money was received for its modernization, and there they talked about billions, and the loot went to populism, to raising salaries for officials and deputies. And loans were issued under guarantees, to modernize or close nuclear power plants.
          2. AlexW
            AlexW 21 March 2013 18: 56
            +5
            Allegedly Do you know that until recently in Greece was Well, we didn’t know, but the EU knew for sure, or did the same vegetate in ignorance? laughing If he knew, then why did he indulge, why did he give more and more money - fed with loans? Destroyed the country's economy and now you can take away everything for the debts - why fight. The same is with other "members" of the EU. For example, with Poland, do you notice? Agriculture is in decline, there is no industry, why the EU gives money like that. Lech Walesa, leader of the opposition to the communists, electrician from the Gdansk shipyard. One of the largest in Europe - it was the largest under the Soviets. Now this figure sadly admits - everything is in the past - there is no longer a shipyard, no industry, no working class. There are only Polish plumbers scouring for a free toilet all over Europe.
            1. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 21 March 2013 23: 26
              0
              Quote: AlexW
              There are only Polish plumbers

              But how proudly, well, in a noble way, they entered the EU !!!! How much shit they poured on Russia, and they continue tirelessly in the same spirit ... I don’t sympathize a bit. So they need it for all the good! .. .And there are fewer and fewer free toilets in Europe, competition from the former "brothers" and for everyone there is already not enough jolts ... Soon they will fight for the vacancy of a garbage man ...
            2. Allegedly
              Allegedly 22 March 2013 05: 40
              +1
              Quote: AlexW
              why give money more and more


              To understand that it is not surprising, or to pull technology and production to the minimum required level, or to close. Well, why do strong EU countries have competitors, especially substandard ones? After all, they now put the MADE IN EU brand on their products. They were given a chance, this chance they pissed. Although given the greed and corruption of either the Greek or Baltic elites, the outcome could have been predicted by 90 percent in advance. Economic (and especially energy) independence automatically implies disobedience. Imagine that Ignalina NPP had two reactors (and 2 more unfinished), one reactor covered Lithuania’s electricity needs, and the second provided Latvia and Estonia. Remember how even 5-10 years ago Lithuania or Poland inserted sticks into the wheels of any new EU laws. Now this is not ...
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 22 March 2013 10: 18
                +1
                Quote: JACOB
                Remember how even 5-10 years ago Lithuania or Poland inserted sticks into the wheels of any new EU laws. Now this is not ...

                Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant (lit. Ignalinos atominė elektrinė) is a shut down nuclear power plant in northeastern Lithuania, operating for 26 years and one day: from December 31, 1983 to December 31, 2009.
                Pay attention to the dates. Try to draw conclusions.
                Who led the country under the Union and who rules it now.
                Previously (December 31, 1983) everything was imprisoned for success - to have time to do it, launch it, etc.
                Now (December 31, 2009) - time to close, break ...
                And as a mockery - the station worked for 26 years and one day.
                Quote: JACOB
                Remember how even 5-10 years ago Lithuania or Poland inserted sticks into the wheels of any new EU laws. Now this is not ...

                "inserts" are over!
                crying
                1. Allegedly
                  Allegedly 22 March 2013 14: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Sukhov
                  "inserts" are over!


                  But Lithuania took the money (billions by the way)? Under "upgrade or close" ...
          3. Botanologist
            Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 05
            +1
            Greeks were like parasites

            + From personal communication with the Greeks, I note that they are quite lazy and rogue people. I tried to have less to do with them, because they would still cheat.
            1. Pancho
              Pancho 21 March 2013 23: 12
              0
              Quote: Botanologist
              From personal communication with the Greeks, I note that they are quite lazy and rogue people.

              Well, nonsense! There is no need to blame the mirror if the mug is crooked, just like that once and the whole people have done it. "Worker." And when the same Germans consider Russians drunkards and lazy people, you will also support? Glue labels, you would be ashamed. For me, Germany should still smoke for what she did in the USSR, and you here worry about the Ferfluchters. How much evil they brought us in the 20th century alone, we lost millions of our compatriots, the gene pool, and You here mold villains from Greeks. Can someone give an example of any cruelty of the Greeks to someone? That's it.
      2. ultra
        ultra 21 March 2013 10: 55
        +2
        Quote: Sirocco
        Perhaps the command from above came to hit under the breath of Russia
        What does Russia have to do with it? Specific people will lose money, for them it will be "in the gut"! hiAnd for Russia, only a plus, you look from the "offshore" to the homeland will be drawn! hi
        1. Gregazov
          Gregazov 21 March 2013 18: 41
          +2
          This is since when did the rich Pinocchio just lose money. Yes, even if they take something away from them, you and I will have to immediately compensate for the losses. Remember the 90s, forgotten early.
      3. Atlon
        Atlon 21 March 2013 11: 27
        13
        Quote: Sirocco
        The question is, why does she need this crisis, with the consequences of the collapse of the euro zone? Perhaps the command from above came to hit under the breath of Russia.

        I see it differently. Merkel acts on the orders of Moscow.
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 21 March 2013 14: 05
          +4
          Quote: Atlon
          I see it differently. Merkel acts on the orders of Moscow.

          It could even be.
          1. xan
            xan 21 March 2013 16: 22
            +2
            Quote: Sukhov
            Quote: Atlon
            I see it differently. Merkel acts on the orders of Moscow.

            It could even be.

            maybe not at the behest, but Putin manages to turn everything in his favor.
            This is some kind of multi-way, incomprehensible and not simple, someone wants to jam someone, but for Russia as a state the amount is not serious, it calms. For Cyprus, everything is very sad without options
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 21 March 2013 15: 53
          +2
          Quote: Atlon
          I see it differently. Merkel acts on the orders of Moscow.

          Hardly,
          MOSCOW, 21 Mar. - Prime. World oil prices are falling on Thursday amid investors waiting for news on measures to support the Cyprus economy, according to exchanges.

          The price of May futures for North Sea Brent Crude Oil brand oil BR1 -0,52% to 15.19 Moscow time decreased by 0,42 dollars, or 0,39%, to 108,29 dollars per barrel. The cost of May futures for light crude oil brand WTI WTI1 + 0,92% decreased by 0,3 dollars, or by 0,36%, to 93,16 dollars.
          Moscow doesn’t need a drop in oil prices; rather, it will provide soft loans (not without benefits for Russia).
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 21 March 2013 17: 11
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            Moscow, lower oil prices oh how not needed

            just stock swings, no big deal
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 09
              0
              just stock fluctuations

              By the way, what if it’s a multi-entry route for the return of the German gold reserve? After all, they just won’t give it back, and if the EU collapses, there are chances. Well, other preferences for Germany.
              1. Allegedly
                Allegedly 22 March 2013 06: 07
                +1
                Quote: Botanologist
                After all, they just won’t give it back, and with the collapse of the EU, there are chances.


                Amer is not the kind of person who would give something to someone, they’d better drown 90% of the globe in the blood, but no one will get anything ...

                Germany will save the euro until its last breath, not for that it was created to destroy ...

                The German in the Kremlin (this is what A. Rar called him) begins to get tired of German tricks. There a lot of things have accumulated. And I'm afraid that soon too much favor to German business, as well as to German economic interests, will be replaced by a cooler attitude ...
          2. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 21 March 2013 23: 33
            0
            Quote: Tersky
            decline in oil prices

            The decline in oil prices is a temporary phenomenon, and deoffshorization will be constant. So far, everything is optimistic.
        3. Botanologist
          Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 07
          +1
          Merkel acts on the orders of Moscow.

          + lol let it work, otherwise we won’t buy their cars tongue
        4. YuDDP
          YuDDP 22 March 2013 00: 00
          0
          They say she has a Russian lover.
        5. Allegedly
          Allegedly 22 March 2013 05: 45
          0
          Quote: Atlon
          acts at the direction of Moscow


          If it does, then at the direction of another Moscow ...

          Moscow - Moscow) is a city in Lata County, Idaho, in the northwestern United States. Located in northern Idaho, along the Washington state border ...
      4. Suhov
        Suhov 21 March 2013 14: 04
        +7
        Quote: Sirocco
        A good position in Germany, doing nothing and not straining, get EVERYTHING.

        For your information: in Europe only Germans work! The rest - enjoy life.
      5. Bear52
        Bear52 21 March 2013 16: 36
        0
        Sirocco
        Robingudsha horseradish Some believe that "robingudshe" this business may come back to haunt. IMHO it may well be angry
        http://digitalmetro.us/2013/03/18/evrosoyuz-podlozhil-putinu-nemeckuyu-svinyu/
      6. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 21 March 2013 23: 16
        0
        Quote: Sirocco
        E. Handwriting one overseas

        What are you saying? Are you a handwriting expert? Do not enlighten then with a couple of examples of a similar "handwriting". Preferably from reliable sources. OK? Conspiracy theories will not work.
    3. Asgard
      Asgard 21 March 2013 10: 28
      +1
      Don't lie "eggs"in one basket - an old RUSSIAN proverb ...
      vovochka put))))))) they grabbed him for these "eggs"))) they hold him)))
      therefore, the Cypriots went to Moscow , as they think - to the main Cypriot for support)))
      They will receive support - At our expense with you .... but apparently the little thing -NOT A RESIDENT .......

      if he defends himself ... he will be finished off ... his level of intelligence does not allow him to understand that starting from the G8 summit, where he did not go because of a threat to his life, the countdown to the date that is written on the monuments went ..... after birthday ......
      But he can’t attack (he doesn’t want)) and it happens that he will be sold immediately for 30 shekels))) his associates)))

      Maybe someone thinks that officials have decided something there or are trying to solve the crisis in the eurozone ....
      yes no, they move across the chess field - (not figures, no))) so "figures" which are predictable and apparently exchange them ..... although the FIGURES think about themselves that they are the president or prime minister (cartoon))) )

      Spiders in banks stirred ..... people go to banks, take loans-give (apparently))) DO NOT NEED.
      soon everything will fall apart .....and still give)))))
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 21 March 2013 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        people go to banks, take loans, give (apparently))) NOT NEED .... soon everything will fall apart ..... and still give)

        12.12.12. it was not so long ago and we still feel "normal" wink
        Rodeo continues, for not a single player has jumped off.
      2. 755962
        755962 21 March 2013 12: 56
        +4
        Quote: Asgard
        Don't put eggs in one basket

        But I wonder whose eggs it is ?!

        Jim Sinclair: "The IMF is going to take control of the KGB Cypriot money"

        Today, the legendary trader Jim Sinclair said that we have just witnessed one of the important events that will have a huge impact on the gold market. In an interview with Eric King Sinclair said the following:

        “The information services are working tirelessly on the situation with Cyprus in an attempt to present the case in such a way that 80 percent of the deposits belong to the people of Cyprus, and only 20 percent to the Russians. This is absolutely untrue. After 1985, when the “robber barons” of Russia crushed its economy for themselves, when the KGB transformed into a private business, Cyprus was the main export destination for Russian funds.

        Now there is a leader in the world who is very dangerous to challenge, and this is the leader - Putin ...

        It happened that the IMF supported the confiscation of 10 percent of what in reality turned out to be 80 percent of Russian “black money”. Now the game has Russian "black money", KGB money. The leader of Russia is the former KGB officer. Whose money do you think they took? This is the biggest mistake the IMF may have made. ”



        http://mixednews.ru/archives/33447
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 21 March 2013 18: 20
          +3
          Quote: 755962
          Jim Sinclair: "The IMF is going to take control of the KGB Cypriot money"

          Is this about this the IMF director at the apartment did a search? belay
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 12
            +2
            on this occasion, the director of the IMF searched the apartment

            lol accidentally people in leather jackets and with guns did not see?
      3. Atlon
        Atlon 21 March 2013 14: 21
        0
        Quote: Asgard
        people go to banks, take loans, give (apparently))) DO NOT ....

        Have you already taken? wink
      4. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 21 March 2013 23: 39
        -2
        Quote: Asgard
        ..level of intelligence does not allow him to understand

        It's good that at least your level of "intelligence" is high and you explained everything to us so lucidly. And in fact, take credit, but more, you must have time to snatch from the country .... Forgiven for such a stereotype of behavior to foreign jackals, for that they are enemies .And theirs, theirs ... I just give a diva to what are "patriotic." There is someone who can take an example for the young.
    4. Atlon
      Atlon 21 March 2013 11: 25
      12
      Quote: radio operator
      The Prime Minister of Cyprus is not in a hurry to go to Germany, and since Tuesday he has been hanging out in Moscow.

      Everything is clear here. All this bodyagi, initiated by Moscow, through Merkel and the EU. Gazprom is taking over new fields, and along the way, Putin once again STRONGLY recommends that the oligarchs return the stolen goods to the Russian economy. It's only the beginning! wink
      1. Egen
        Egen 21 March 2013 12: 04
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        Gazprom takes over new fields

        As far as I understand from Gazprom’s reports on its website on foreign affairs, that in Vietnam and in our former Asia, it’s not so profitable to drill abroad. The same Bovanenkovskoye field will give many times more. It’s clear that you need to bring it :), but scientists are inclined that it’s more profitable from the north. Therefore, something I doubt that Gazprom so much needs a headache in the Mediterranean Sea :)
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 21 March 2013 13: 15
          +3
          Quote: Egen
          Therefore, something I doubt that Gazprom so much needs a headache in the Mediterranean Sea :)

          If from a business point of view, then yes ... but if from a political point of view? Another alignment turns out! wink Maybe they will not develop it, but as a competitor to our "streams" they take over? Politics is a dark matter ... laughing
        2. speedy
          speedy 21 March 2013 13: 27
          +5
          Quote: Egen
          Therefore, something I doubt that Gazprom so much needs a headache in the Mediterranean Sea :)

          Resource control is my friend, gas price control and of course step on the eggs of Qatar. Resources are not superfluous and drilling in the south is more pleasant.
          1. Egen
            Egen 22 March 2013 09: 35
            0
            Quote: short-term
            Resource control my friend

            Quote: short-term
            and if in terms of politics

            and this is understandable, but this is not Gazprom but the Russian Federation, but the Russian Federation - these are specific people :))
        3. xan
          xan 21 March 2013 16: 27
          +2
          Our field will always remain with us
          and someone else’s needs to be taken so as not to breed competitors and even more heap of what reasons
    5. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 21 March 2013 18: 21
      +2
      No wonder ...
      The President of Cyprus, Mr. Anastasiadis, called the Kremlin on Tuesday evening and spoke with the President of Russia. The day before, on Monday, Comrade Putin criticized the European aid plan for Cyprus.

      Why not Merkel?
      1. 755962
        755962 21 March 2013 19: 31
        +1
        Quote: pav-pon1972
        Why not Merkel?

        Merkel has already expressed her quote about "third parties" ..

        ... Cyprus should negotiate a way out of the difficult financial situation in which the republic found itself, exclusively with international creditors, without involving third parties, including Russia, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said during a telephone conversation with the President of Cyprus Nikos Anastasiadis, reports The Local.
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 21 March 2013 19: 23
      +1
      Quote: radio operator
      Apparently, the Germans are not such good partners.

      Which partners?
      All of Europe is looking at Cyprus, waiting for a precedent!
      If you just allow such a law, then bankruptcy will come the next day !!!
      What money will be put into the Bank of Cyprus if there is no certainty that you will receive it back ???
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 21 March 2013 23: 50
        +1
        Quote: APASUS
        which will put money in a bank of Cyprus

        Oh, and not only in Cyprus. Banks of all troubled countries of Europe will be at risk if such a precedent is created. The economies of Italy, Spain, Greece, Iceland are in a very vulnerable condition. And even just out of fear that with deposits in banks these countries can do the same, they will try to transfer contributions to more reliable countries. So all the fun is yet to come. IMHO
  2. bddrus
    bddrus 21 March 2013 08: 19
    +8
    Many earn on the offshore preferences of Cyprus - now it would not hurt to help these investors to help Cyprus too. pay for services. I am only against shelling out local depositors - less than 100 should not be taxed at all. And heat strangers in full
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 21 March 2013 08: 33
      +5
      Quote: bddrus

      Many earn on offshore preferences in Cyprus - now it would not hurt for these investors to help Cyprus

      Including Sberbank and VTB, the largest deposits will have to be helped with our money in any case, or with taxes on deposits or loans, now even the state is withdrawing money to offshore companies demanding patriotism from oligarchs.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 21 March 2013 09: 05
        +5
        Quote: BARKAS
        Including Sberbank and VTB, no one has the largest deposits

        Not only, Sberbank and VTB have opened accounts in offshore companies and VTB generally has a “daughter” of Russian Commercial Bank in Cyprus
        1. predator.3
          predator.3 21 March 2013 11: 55
          +1
          Russia is concerned about the blocking of accounts of Russian government agencies in Cypriot banks, said Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

          “We have a large number of open public structures working through Cyprus, they have now blocked money for unknown reasons, because the source of this money is obvious, this money has been presented everywhere. These are government structures, ”Medvedev said in an interview with a number of European media and the Russian agency Interfax.

          The prime minister added: "That is why we are forced to take such a fairly firm position regarding the events around Cyprus and the settlement of the debt of the Republic of Cyprus."

          Medvedev noted that a large number of Russian public companies have accounts both in Russian and in foreign banks, including Cyprus, as this is a convenient jurisdiction for transactions. At the same time, he noted that the volumes of the so-called “gray deposits” of Russians in Cypriot banks were exaggerated. “I think that rumors about deposits that are called specific are indicative of“ gray ”schemes for withdrawing money from Russia, their volumes are still not as significant as they are usually said,” Medvedev said.
          http://news.rambler.ru/18194288/ laughing
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 36
        +2
        so I don’t understand why they keep this money there? What is the benefit to state banks?
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 March 2013 08: 55
      16
      Quote: ...
      and the prime minister said that "it looks like the confiscation of other people's money."


      That is precisely the majority of this money that honest work did not earn.

      Recall for example

      On November 13, two fake payment orders were received by the Central Bank branch: they transferred 2 billion rubles to PFR accounts, then 1,25 billion rubles were sent to Spetstekhprom's account with Kuban Bank, and from there to other banks for transfer to Cyprus

      And quote
      Cyprus needs help .there is stored the most sacred, money and real estate of the best people of Russia.
      They are poor, tired of the endless cuts and showdowns (such as Kushchevsky) go there to rest and wash off what they smeared from their hands.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 21 March 2013 09: 09
        +5
        Quote: Vadivak.
        Quote:.
        and the prime minister said that "it looks like the confiscation of other people's money."


        That is precisely the majority of this money that honest work did not earn.

        Recall for example

        On November 13, two fake payment orders were received by the Central Bank branch: they transferred 2 billion rubles to PFR accounts, then 1,25 billion rubles were sent to Spetstekhprom's account with Kuban Bank, and from there to other banks for transfer to Cyprus


        And quote
        Cyprus needs help .there is stored the most sacred, money and real estate of the best people of Russia.
        They are poor, tired of the endless cuts and showdowns (such as Kushchevsky) go there to rest and wash off what they smeared from their hands.

        Greetings Vadim, the fact is that there is not only money from the oligarchs.
        The Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia also uses their banking system. They just have such a gentle tax policy. .
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 21 March 2013 09: 19
          +7
          Quote: sergo0000
          The Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia also uses their banking system.


          Hey. If an SVR employee abroad uses a Sberbank card as Zeus from advertising, or VTB you yourself understand his life as a scout will be bright, but short
          1. avt
            avt 21 March 2013 09: 30
            +8
            Quote: Vadivak
            Hey. If an SVR employee abroad uses a Sberbank card as Zeus from advertising, or VTB you yourself understand his life as a scout will be bright, but short

            laughing Well, you have enough! How many scouts do we have? With such annual withdrawals of billions abroad .... request You know, it's more like a game here. Maybe someone wants to reveal the secret of bank deposits, remember how the Swiss were uncorked under the pretext of Nazi gold, or maybe a trial ball for zeroing money in Gaidar's manner, but already in countries "free from totalitarianism". General circumcision for salvation, so to speak. inviolability and respect for private property. laughing
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 21 March 2013 10: 04
              +3
              Quote: avt
              Well, you have enough! How many scouts do we have?

              This is not me, I quote again

              Quote:
              sergo0000t
              The fact is that there is not only money from the oligarchs.
              The Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia also uses their banking system.
              1. avt
                avt 21 March 2013 10: 33
                +3
                Quote: Vadivak
                This is not me, I quote again

                hi Then plus with an apology. But in general, Trofim is right - ,, .... the Chekists gave free rein to the swindlers, having their own tambourine interest, and at the same hour they threw off their bastards from the common swamp ... " laughing
            2. Allegedly
              Allegedly 23 March 2013 17: 08
              0
              Quote: avt
              how many scouts do we have


              You have about 50 thousand. China has 3 million ...
      2. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 21 March 2013 09: 45
        11
        Vadivak
        Welcome.

        Question, but not even a question - B and we president and prime ministerthat they were so concerned about deposits in ANOTHER banks, "which"And"whose"we expect money wink
        90% of Russian people don’t even know what banknotes are in Cyprus, even the names ... What TEMPERATURE So ??? Putin-Medvedev-bravo! True "patriots" ...
        uryayaya .... wassat
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 21 March 2013 10: 07
          10
          Quote: Z.A.M.

          I’ll tell you so that 98% of people in Russia do not give a damn about the fact that they drive a tax on deposits there. Many even say that they give an order for services to the fatherland of the initiators of this law. I just can’t understand how the President and the Prime Minister can support investors in Cyprus.
          Why can’t you hear Cries from the President of the United States or the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, probably simply because their citizens keep money in their countries and invest in the national economy. And no one can put pressure on the country's foreign policy in this way through its economic elite. And here everyone shouted about patriotism, and the country's leadership proves the opposite No.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 March 2013 12: 07
            +4
            Quote: Atrix
            Why can’t you hear Cries from the President of the United States or the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, probably simply because their citizens keep money in their countries and invest in the national economy. And no one can put pressure on the country's foreign policy in this way through its economic elite


            Much more Russians from the tax on deposits will suffer British citizens. In Cyprus live 60 thousand citizens of the United Kingdom. For British retirees, Cyprus has long been associated with the dream of a happy and comfortable old age. And now they can lose hundreds of millions of euros from their accounts.
            According to some estimates, there are now more than two billion euros in the accounts of British citizens in Cypriot banks. Thus, if a tax is introduced, the British will be forced to pay about 200 million to save the economy of Cyprus.
            link

            But there is no shouting because this crisis is a banal run over Putin, so as not to interfere with NATO plans for further escalation of the conflict in Syria.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 21 March 2013 12: 27
              +3
              Quote: Ascetic
              But there is no shouting because this crisis is a banal run over Putin, so as not to interfere with NATO plans for further escalation of the conflict in Syria.

              What's the connection here?
            2. Normal
              Normal 21 March 2013 14: 25
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              But there is no shouting because this crisis is a banal run over Putin, so as not to interfere with NATO plans for further escalation of the conflict in Syria.

              I almost believed it and was about to join the Popular Front in support of Putin. And here on you:
              Quote: Atlon
              The ghost of Putin looms behind Merkel, and the "hand of Moscow" is quite traced

              Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day .... belay What would that mean? It seems Putin does not look like a non-commissioned officer widow.
              Or maybe Putin’s ghost and the hand of Moscow are not the same as Putin himself? laughing
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 21 March 2013 10: 09
          +2
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          90% of Russian people don’t even know what banknotes are in Cyprus,


          Yes, but as a result they vote for Cyprus
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 21 March 2013 15: 14
            +5
            Now we need to see what the West will "squeeze" from us in exchange for the inviolability of Cypriot deposits.
            Choi, I remember the Ukraine of 2004 and the "extinct" Kuchma, languidly looking at the "orange" Maidan ...
        3. Normal
          Normal 21 March 2013 15: 25
          0
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          What TEMPERATURE is so ???

          Alas, Anton, in the banks of Cyprus accounts and money of Russian state corporations and government agencies. And since Putin does not see the difference between his and state money (a statesman!), His reaction is natural. The question is rather what the hell state-owned companies keep the money in offshore. But here there is an excuse. This is in order to conduct business abroad, to buy property (in the interests of the state, of course), to open production and indeed conduct business. Moreover, if the stabilization in America, then why can not accounts in offshore?
        4. Botanologist
          Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 29
          +3
          Z.A.M.
          Yes, it’s not even a question - Ч Ь And we have a president and a prime minister who are so worried about deposits in OTHER banks

          Think narrowly. Why do you read all the news "head-on" while trying to give a political assessment?
          See what happens:
          - Cyprus began to go bankrupt.
          - Cyprus has many, many things that interest us (from gas to ports and strategic location).
          - In Cyprus, a lot, a lot of money in banks, and whose money it is - a question.
          - Cyprus has historically been in normal relations with us.
          - much more.

          Now, if there is an opportunity to bargain, we can get:
          - European gas, which makes the EU completely dependent on us,
          - some port for calling our exceptionally peaceful ships wink
          - the most important thing a list of lucky people who kept hard-earned money earned in a foreign bank and forgot to inform anyone about it. And this is not even about the oligarchs, everything is clear with them. But it can be senators, governors, all sorts of parties, etc. etc. And if this list gets to the GDP (and it does, don’t hesitate), all these people will stand along the Kremlin wall, booty to the wall and think - it would be better to take away these 10% than to suffer so much. And this is a completely different song.
          - Well, there are many other things, ranging from reformatting the EU in our favor and ending with a quiet weakening of NATO.

          And you are money and money .... Money is a means of politics, but not a goal. bully
          1. Normal
            Normal 21 March 2013 21: 54
            +1
            Quote: Botanologist
            See what happens:

            That is, you think that:
            Quote: Atlon
            the "hand of Moscow" is quite traced

            If so, it turns out that in order to achieve rather muddy and dubious goals, we (the state) should lose almost 10% of public funds in accounts with Cyprus banks or provide an irrevocable loan in 10 yards of euros? It turns out a good policy .... here it is inconvenient to talk about money.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 21 March 2013 23: 41
              +1
              For the sake of achieving rather muddy and dubious goals, should we (the state) lose almost 10% of public funds in accounts with Cyprus banks or provide an irrevocable loan in 10 yards of euros?

              Something I did not understand you. State money is kept in the state. In offshore - the money of different companies, but this is not the budget (do not confuse the concept).
              And there was no question of a non-repayable loan. Where did you get this from?
              Well and besides - how much should the base in Cyprus cost?
              How much should the collapse of the EU cost?
              Yes, a lot of things, how much ...
          2. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 22 March 2013 00: 15
            -1
            Quote: Botanologist
            Money is a means of politics

            You are absolutely right. Unfortunately (judging by the posts), the majority is somehow peculiar, which is related to the fact that the money of state structures can be located somewhere else, except for the Central Bank. but you still need to understand that the financial system-globalization-s is SO structured !!!! And to conduct large transactions is financially more profitable in Cyprus than in Berlin or Moscow. These are just objectively such rules of the game ... No, with some kind of savor enviable gloating-Putin personally will lose his grandmother there or not. Tired already.
    3. Hunter thomson
      Hunter thomson 21 March 2013 10: 31
      0
      Putin and Medvedev said they would shell out Russian taxpayers. Cyprus is a boom to save at the expense of the people.
  3. predator.3
    predator.3 21 March 2013 08: 20
    +5
    The EU and the IMF agreed among themselves that deposits in Cyprus banks would be liable for a one-time tax: the 6,75% rate would affect deposits less than 100 thousand euros, and the 9,9% rate would “hit” larger deposits.


    This is something from the series "Expropriation of the Expropriators", there is only one conclusion - keep the money in your homeland!
    1. Egen
      Egen 21 March 2013 08: 50
      +3
      The conclusion is deeper: keep money at home :)
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 March 2013 09: 06
      +7
      Quote: predator.3
      There is only one conclusion - keep money in your homeland!


      For those guys, Homeland is where it’s good, like Yankel from Taras Bulba
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 March 2013 09: 49
        28
        Quote: Vadivak
        For those guys, Homeland is where it’s good, like Yankel from Taras Bulba


        There can be no Homeland where your money lies, Homeland where the graves of your ancestors lie. It will be necessary to take the money away, as events on island of bad luckand not a "bloody regime" but the democratic authorities of the West.
        This is another lesson to cunning compradors and cosmopolitans. The time has come to open our eyes to reality to amateurs from R ... ki who have made capital in
        unwashed "scoop" that they have the same homeland, like most citizens who do not have foreign contributions. This is a lesson for all today's elite. Or will you become sovereigns and realize that your best insurance against all troubles is the Russian army and navy, or you’ll just be devoured. Money will not help you, because your money will remain yours exactly as much as you want in London or Washington.

        We would like to thank the Cypriot government for its contribution to the process of patriotic education of the Russian elite.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 21 March 2013 10: 08
          +6
          Quote: Ascetic
          There can be no Motherland where your money lies, Homeland where the graves of your ancestors are.


          Right. Since 1941, my grandfather lies somewhere in the Pinsk forests that he is Cyprus.
          Quote: Ascetic
          It will take money,


          It would be good. Then these morons can understand that the attitude towards them as cattle has not changed since Hitler
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 March 2013 10: 24
            +8
            Quote: Vadivak
            Right. Since 1941, my grandfather lies somewhere in the Pinsk forests that he is Cyprus.


            I recently found my grandfather’s burial place through the OBD Memorial, and there was also the place of death. The mass grave at an unnamed height of 408. 8 in the Oryol region. He died on August 7, 1943.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 21 March 2013 11: 53
              +3
              Quote: Ascetic
              I recently found my grandfather’s burial place through the OBD Memorial,


              I was looking too. I found that I was missing, the last letters to my grandmother and daughters were from the region of Pinsk, where in the swamps I left the environment of 55 SD them. K. Voroshilova, and came out with the banner, but without him, the 141 howitzer artillery regiment of the 55th infantry division laid down all their eternal memory
              1. Egen
                Egen 21 March 2013 12: 08
                +1
                Well, what can I say, they began to live badly, they changed morality to pieces of paper and blessings under the plausible pretext of progress :(
              2. Ascetic
                Ascetic 21 March 2013 12: 12
                +3
                Quote: Vadivak
                Quote: Ascetic
                I recently found my grandfather’s burial place through the OBD Memorial,


                I was looking too. I found that I was missing, the last letters to my grandmother and daughters were from the region of Pinsk, where in the swamps I left the environment of 55 SD them. K. Voroshilova, and came out with the banner, but without him, the 141 howitzer artillery regiment of the 55th infantry division laid down all their eternal memory


                And I have in my documents a senior political officer of the OShB (separate fine baht). Just why the title by August 1943 remained the same and not new-captain, a mystery. Or fell into the penal battalion, then why not demoted, And if he was part of the personnel command of the battalion why then the rank was not changed. Can anyone enlighten? All just shrug
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 21 March 2013 14: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  And I have a senior political instructor in my documents. Just why the title by August 1943 remained the same and not new, captain, a mystery.

                  So mine too - 7th battery, but with the ranks

                  Yes, there’s a misunderstanding with the political instructor, most likely the scribblers out of habit wrote

                  10. By the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated 09.10.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX "On the establishment of full one-man command and the abolition of the institution of military commissars in the Red Army" personal military ranks of the political composition of the Red Army were abolished, military ranks of commanders were established for political workers.

                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 21 March 2013 14: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    So mine too - 7 battery


                    It seems that by that time the army ranks had already been introduced for the political structure. It’s strange.
        2. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 21 March 2013 11: 01
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          We would like to thank the Cypriot government for its contribution to the process of patriotic education of the Russian elite.

          Hunchback as they say ...... but gray hair was added hi
        3. SHOCK.
          SHOCK. 21 March 2013 11: 07
          0
          << Often oligarchs take their capital offshore, not only because they are trying to minimize tax payments in Russia, reduce political risks and hide information about the real owners, but also because they are deeply in external debt, and foreign creditors and banks demand registration of borrowers' property outside of Russia, because for them it is a certain guarantee against different risks. >>
          Many naked oligarchs simply have no choice.
        4. skullcap
          skullcap 21 March 2013 11: 43
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          We would like to thank the Cypriot government for its contribution to the process of patriotic education of the Russian elite.

          Or maybe, besides the Cypriot government, “thank you” should say Anya Merkeleva. After all, she comes from the GDR, she was probably a local pioneer, she sang “Friendship-Freundschaft! Forever .. "etc.
          After all, it is Germany - the main laborer of this adventure.
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 21 March 2013 11: 49
            +2
            Quote: kosopuz
            After all, it is Germany - the main laborer of this adventure.

            No, not the main one ... The ghost of Putin looms for Merkel, and the "hand of Moscow" is quite traced
        5. baltika-18
          baltika-18 21 March 2013 12: 31
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          We would like to thank the Cypriot government for its contribution to the process of patriotic education of the Russian elite.


          Do we need such an elite?
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 March 2013 09: 59
      +6
      Quote: predator.3
      This is something from the series "Expropriation of the Expropriators", there is only one conclusion - keep the money in your homeland!


      But Putin when he warned Hold the money over the hill; then swallow dust then swallow!

      Link on video

      [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_detailpage & v = P3Y9T9P0Vls]
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 21 March 2013 11: 41
        11
        Quote: Ascetic
        Hold the money over the hill; then swallow dust then swallow!

        From this point of view, everything is correct. Another thing draws attention (not surprising): “Cyprus is a fairly white offshore, and there are Seychelles, Antigua, Barbados, etc., where there are gray offshores. There are also dark offshores where it is not recommended to invest money. There are no official data , no one knows how much of our money is there. But the fact that it is there and that we are talking about tens of billions is for sure. White offshore is Cyprus, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, the Virgin Islands, these are countries that are in the European zone capital circulation ", http: //www.from-ua.com/eco/88bc8f6af1d44.html
        Americans keep money in black offshores, with their harsh tax policy it is impossible to keep money in "whites", but not a word about blacks, and Cyprus is stupidly bankrupt. This is another US attack on the euro area, especially since a domino effect is predicted with a probability of more than 50% for Italy, Spain - then - almost everywhere in the euro area. Who wins is immediately clear (the sequestration of the US budget needs to be compensated somehow). In addition, first of all, large companies come under attack, and no one compensates the money taken from Russia, Ukraine to the people (ordinary people who have no deposits). Previously, this money was returned back to the country and somehow kept the economy afloat (I'm talking about Ukraine now), now they will go away forever. "Data of the State Statistics Committee for the entire period of investment in the Ukrainian economy of direct foreign investment as of April 1, 2012:
        A total of $ 50 billion 793,5 million was received from non-residents. The top ten investing countries, which account for more than 83% of total direct investment:
        1. Cyprus - 13 billion 661,9 million dollars,
        2. Germany - 7 billion 468,0 million dollars,
        3. The Netherlands - 4 billion 906,6 million dollars,
        4. Russian Federation - 3 billion 661,0 million dollars,
        5. Austria - 3 billion 446,6 million dollars,
        6. Great Britain - $ 2 billion 345,0 million,
        7. France - 2 billion 278,5 million dollars,
        8. Sweden - 1 billion 763,5 million dollars.,
        9. Virgin Islands - 1 billion 648,0 million dollars.
        10. United States - 1 billion 42,3 million dollars.
        At the same time, the volume of direct investments from Ukraine into the economy of the world countries as of April 1, 2012 amounted to 6 billion 421,4 million dollars. Investments were made in 47 countries of the world, of which 90,5% were directed to Cyprus.
        Therefore, simple gloating, they say, bureaucrats need it - it's very simple, if this tax were in favor of Russia, Ukraine - only with two hands "for", and so why are some rejoicing that under the pretext of "punishment of bureaucrats" money gone? So this is to the ophthalmologist ... to treat myopia ... Cyprus must be saved, with the condition of returning the money to their countries of origin, i.e. negotiate the control of deposits, their shading, followed by taxation in favor of Russia and Ukraine, and not the Germans and Naglo-Saxons. The bureaucrats and industrialists are to blame, but the countries that they robbed should be punished and confiscated, not the "Europolice"!
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 21 March 2013 12: 19
          +1
          Quote: Kaa
          their de-shadowing with subsequent taxation in favor of Russia and Ukraine, and not the Germans and Naglo-Saxons. The bureaucrats and industrialists are to blame, but the countries that they robbed should be punished and confiscated, not the "Europolice"!

          What then is the interest of "geyropes", to tear off the backside of the chair for other people's "uncles."
      2. Normal
        Normal 21 March 2013 12: 20
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        But Putin, when he still warned to keep money over the hill, tormented then swallow dust!

        No, I still could not bear it after this passage.
        Stanislav, don’t you know that in Cyprus not only (and not so much) oligarchs keep money, how many are our state-owned companies and government agencies? Or didn’t you hear what Putin and Medvedev said about the proposal to introduce a one-time tax on deposits in Cyprus banks? Maybe our rulers are not aware that STATE money is offshore and give advice to the oligarchs from the height of their invulnerability. It turns out that there is no invulnerability ... no one ...
        By the way, I heard that the bulk of the amount in Cyprus bonuses does not belong to the Russians, but to the British. And on foggy albion silence. I wonder why?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 21 March 2013 12: 47
          +4
          Quote: Normal
          By the way, I heard that the bulk of the amount in Cyprus bonuses does not belong to the Russians, but to the British. And on foggy albion silence. I wonder why?


          Because the silence is that small British and not large companies and oligarchs.
          See the post above how many of them live there. mostly retirees who keep their savings in a happy tax haven. No "democracy" will defend their interests when there is a big game against Putin and state-owned companies.
          In general, the main victims will again be the most unprotected
          not only petty british but also simple cypriots
          Cyprus financial crisis hardest hit old people
          link

          according to experts, the introduction of this tax will not cause a strong blow to the Russian economy, and most Russian companies registered in the jurisdiction were ready for such a step.
          "The story of a possible Cypriot default has been dragging on for over a year," said Eduard Savulyak, director of the Moscow office of Tax Consulting UK.
          "Most Russians worked through Cypriot companies, but they kept their money in other banks, and their situation has not changed," the expert says. "And for those who worked through a Cypriot bank or who kept money for a rainy day, the news about the tax is pleasant to call, of course not. "
          "I do not know a single millionaire who would hold money in Cyprus. If we are talking about individuals, then they have hundreds of thousands on their accounts, but not millions", - adds Savulyak.
          link

          That is, you need to understand that we are talking about accounted for white capitalbut who worked in offshore on gray schemes and according to the Cypriots themselves, they suffered. They cite data that, as they say, the money stolen in Russia is about 50 percent. from all contributions where "Russia" is officially written. This is exactly what Putin meant to swallow the dust. State-owned companies did not suffer in the end, but Merkel sat in a puddle
          Here is the latest news
          Cyprus offers Russia its energy assets
          link
          This is where Turkey, which is first and foremost interested, will begin to stir, which disputes these deposits.

          A joint plan to save Cyprus is possible only if it gives large political or economic dividends to Russia, and not on the scale of solving the Cyprus problem, but like concessions to Gazprom in Europe on the third energy package, at least indirect"

          "Vedomosti"
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 21 March 2013 14: 04
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            Because the silence is that small British

            On Tuesday, there was information that the "small British" would compensate their citizens for the losses from the "Cyprus grater".
            1. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 22 March 2013 00: 26
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              compensate

              Only military personnel.
  4. Nayhas
    Nayhas 21 March 2013 08: 24
    +5
    As I understand it, Cyprus was offered assistance in the form of 10 billion with a guarantee that Cyprus itself will find another 6 billion, as an option to tax deposits. And most likely now Moscow is agreeing on a loan amount. Either Russia pays these 6 billion and deposits are left alone, or part of 6 billion in order to reduce the size of the tax. Cypriots are cunning, they want to eat a fish and not choke on a bone.
    1. ultra
      ultra 21 March 2013 11: 02
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      Cypriots are cunning, they want to eat a fish and not choke on a bone.
      ALREADY PUSHED! negative
  5. Black
    Black 21 March 2013 08: 25
    +3
    Ansluz? Invariable and merciless?
  6. AlexW
    AlexW 21 March 2013 08: 32
    +2
    The West is increasingly sliding down the path of Trotskyism - "tolerance" - the destruction of the family as the basis of the state, fragmentation and ultimately the elimination of states. The destruction of churches, the persecution of religious leaders. Rejection of traditional values. Non-recognition of the supremacy of international law. Under the pretext of fighting for human rights. , nations for self-determination - constant wars, permanent revolutions .... "Banking Bolshevism" - also from the program of Leiba Bronstein. Everything that the USSR was accused of is now actively contested by the "civilized West"
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 21 March 2013 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: AlexW
      The West is increasingly sliding down the path of Trotskyism - "tolerance" - the destruction of the family as the basis of the state, fragmentation and ultimately the elimination of states. The destruction of churches, the persecution of religious leaders. Rejection of traditional values. Non-recognition of the supremacy of international law. Under the pretext of fighting for human rights. , nations for self-determination - constant wars, permanent revolutions .... "Banking Bolshevism" - also from the program of Leiba Bronstein. Everything that the USSR was accused of is now actively contested by the "civilized West"

      What do you think that one state decided to maintain a tax on deposits, it is an internal matter of the country which and when to tax. And the fact that Russia used Cyprus for money laundering and tax evasion is not a Cyprus problem, but a Russian problem. And the reaction of the Senior Management is very revealing, although I personally did not expect such a reaction sad Why does no one raise kipish in the USA ???
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 41
        +1
        then you decide where it is more profitable for thieves to withdraw money? and then in defense of Magnitsky’s law there was a similar screech, but now they remembered that Cyprus exported money
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 21 March 2013 11: 46
        +3
        Quote: Atrix
        Why no one is raising kipish in the USA

        See above - they practically do not keep money in Cyprus, even if they dodge taxes, "take away" to the Virgin Islands, Bermuda, Seychelles, where, unlike Cyprus, well, there is complete anonymity, and here - a direct blow to the euro zone with the prospect domino effect, you need to compensate for your sequestration at the expense of Europe ... negative
      3. AlexW
        AlexW 21 March 2013 18: 10
        +1
        The United States, why are you bustling to raise - the expropriated money will not be enough for Cyprus - it will go straight to the repayment of the wound up external debt of Cyprus, and that means the banks of the USA, the IMF. There is one third of Russian money, most of which is absolutely legal - Gazprombank, Sberbank, VTB. This means that the tax on deposits will hit these banks in the first place, causing damage to Russia. Even the very fact of the suspension of account operations will disrupt the contracts concluded by our government. If the "noble West" suddenly decided to fight against Russian corrupt officials, why did it refuse to submit lists of such accounts and their owners earlier? Why did you allow such accounts to be opened? This was to the detriment of Russia, which meant it was profitable for the West. Just as now all those who get caught are given political asylum in London. Yes, each state has the right to impose taxes, but in this case, this is a change in the rules in the course of the game, cheating. It means that with such a player, the EU cannot honestly play and you need to withdraw your money from its banks. Please allow me to continue playing "on our field". The West itself undermines its own supposedly unshakable foundations. IMHO, the government is doing the right thing by denying a loan to Cyprus - he has no faith, let him return what he took earlier, pay a penalty for frozen accounts, lost profits and moral damage. Let the EU close the Cyprus debts. If you have brought the island to bankruptcy, then pay its debts at the expense of your taxpayers, not Russian ones.
        1. ssergn
          ssergn 22 March 2013 07: 27
          0
          Yes, the Germans’ statement is particularly touching that Cyprus has no one to blame - they say it’s their own fault.

          And the states were already excited, offered help in exchange for gas and something else there. And they were silent at first - apparently they were reinforced concrete sure that the initial proposal for the special tax would not work, or they realized it, because they probably did not expect the same proposal (on the shelf) from Russia.
  7. Vorchun
    Vorchun 21 March 2013 08: 41
    +1
    For the money withdrawn from Russia - should Russia also pay extra?
    1. atalef
      atalef 21 March 2013 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: Vorchun
      For the money withdrawn from Russia - should Russia also pay extra?

      What does it mean? Most likely, we will have to save the sinking Cyprus, as well as the money of Russian oligarchs, bankers, and corrupt officials that have settled in offshore, (their losses may amount to 2, 5 -3 billion euros). This is instead of raising pensions, building hospitals, roads, helping the same orphans and families who adopted them.
      Now about old people and orphans it is necessary to forget. We will help out our "elite".
      The Russian authorities, beginning with the president and the prime minister, have already managed to condemn the forced measure of the Cypriots, comparing it with confiscation. Meanwhile, experts say that about 75% of the assets of Russians who are offshore in Cyprus are of illegal origin. This is money that has been stored on the island since the time of voucher privatization, as well as corrupt bribes of officials and income from criminal operations with budgetary resources, such as illegal VAT refunds, tax evasion, and so on.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 March 2013 11: 02
        18
        Quote: atalef
        Now about old people and orphans it is necessary to forget. We will help out our "elite".


        From Israel, the "bloody essence" of the anti-popular Putin regime, which in 2008. gave money to bankers and oligarchs to prevent a financial crisis provoked by the overseas financial elite, because then the banks would put their hand into our savings. pensions and salaries and would have been a new 1998 with default inflation and excitement. I would look at retirees who fill their heads with a similar blizzard, when accounts on the Sberbank card would be blocked like in Cyprus.
        Borisych, better write how you starved in the USSR and how you were oppressed by evil anti-Semites and scared by Jewish pogroms. Or how Russia pursues a policy of imperial chauvinism towards fraternal Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia and others. You do it better.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 21 March 2013 11: 54
          +7
          Quote: Ascetic
          From Israel, the "bloody essence" of Putin's anti-popular regime is especially visible

          And again about Leviathan - the main players in it are Cyprus and ... Israel. If Cyprus is "covered with a copper basin", it is not up to the extraction of hydrocarbons, Gazprom, which was going to do this with it, too ... is resting, who will be pumping at that time - right, Israel, that's where people "ruined diapers" with joy, encouraging our dissatisfied (quite rightly) officials and businessmen. The usual rrrrrrrrevolutionary "Sharikovism" - "Take away and divide everything", but they will share it without Russia, where does this money come from "communists" !!!! Cyprus needs help in the form of acquiring a block of shares in banks with the right to control the movement of money - the first stage, and further - the return of money not to the EU, but to Russia, with the payment of taxes to the Russian, not the "universal human treasury."
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 March 2013 13: 22
            +6
            Quote: Kaa
            If Cyprus is "covered with a copper basin", it is not up to the extraction of hydrocarbons, Gazprom, which was going to do this with it, too ... is resting, who will be pumping at this time - right, Israel,


            They agreed with Turkey, now the same Turks in the interests of Israel will be the main opponents of the Russian-Cypriot conspiracy, do not go to the Fortuneteller. Erdogan must have already made a mark in this regard (he will probably apologize for criticizing Zionism and go forward to Cyprus). Merkel gritted her teeth and said that negotiations should not be conducted with Russia with three international creditors - the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund - and not involve third parties. But her Cypriots showed a fig in a pocket. Now the Turks must by all means block the possible entrance of Gazprom into the gas project, because they have everything agreed with Israel, but there is no agreement with Cyprus on the field.
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 21 March 2013 14: 07
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Borisych, better write how you starved in the USSR and how you were oppressed by evil anti-Semites and scared by Jewish pogroms. Or how Russia pursues a policy of imperial chauvinism towards fraternal Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia and others. You do it better.

          Mmmmm, excellent berry bushes grow in your garden, Stanislav.
          Categorically +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ hi
        3. TUMAN
          TUMAN 21 March 2013 15: 12
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Borisych, better write how you starved in the USSR and how you were oppressed by evil anti-Semites and scared by Jewish pogroms. Or how Russia pursues a policy of imperial chauvinism towards fraternal Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia and others. You do it better.

          Hello! You write everything ..... I hid behind the black list.
          1. AlexW
            AlexW 21 March 2013 18: 20
            +4
            In vain the flags on the site were canceled. Oh in vain. Vigilance is dulled, however. And then you don’t notice how the Khazars fly with clipped edges laughing
      2. ultra
        ultra 21 March 2013 11: 05
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        about 75% of the assets of Russians who are located offshore in Cyprus are of illegal origin.
        This "laundry" should have been slammed long ago! am
        1. ssergn
          ssergn 22 March 2013 07: 31
          0
          Well yes, why not 100%. Or even 102,5% smile

          These arguments resemble the story of the WMD in Iraq.

          That's what bothers me. The Russians always seemed to be distinguished by their education and ability to THINK, but here it feels like most goblins are of some kind. Very few sane people. Nda. sad
  8. sergo0000
    sergo0000 21 March 2013 08: 50
    0
    Everything goes to the fact that the EU, pushed by Germany, will finish off Cyprus offshore. Germany and France, who set the tone for the EU, will devour everyone and reign over Europe.

    I think that this bone will get stuck in the throat of the EU for many years before the financial institution itself can swallow it! If it does not become the last in their existence. Russia will only be able to win (in the long run) by taking away the contract for gas development for help from Cyprus Place of Birth. In general, it looks like Merkel and Co., into the common boiler of compote of the financial system of the world, were pissed without looking. And is Russia the only goal!))) And again, the ears of the USA that are not covered by anything. Merkel is only a performer.
  9. djon3volta
    djon3volta 21 March 2013 08: 52
    -4
    If the Cypriots rest, they will slowly be squeezed out of Europe, limited in rights, Cyprus will lose attractiveness as an offshore. In short, they will not be lazy for any longer. Do not want to Europe, work for the Russians. And to excuse (so that you can see the care of the people) Kremlin bosses organize a pioneer camp for orphans in Cyprus. 200 people will be taken there for a shift. Half of them are thieves.
    1. Fox
      Fox 21 March 2013 09: 39
      -2
      Quote: djon3volta
      half - thieves.

      judging by the seliger-99.9-thieves.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 21 March 2013 10: 55
        -2
        Quote: Fox
        judging by the seliger-99.9-thieves.

        Do you know how I will answer you? I know who the seligerys are, and here’s what I’ll say - it’s better to be a herringbone than a marsh hamster. It’s better to be friends with Putin than with Obama. If you are against Putin, then you AUTOMATICALLY with Berezovsky, Navalny, Gorbachev, Nemtsov , Alekseeva, Chirikova, Udaltsov, etc. on the list.
        1. Hunter thomson
          Hunter thomson 21 March 2013 11: 00
          +3
          And the third option - to be a normal person is not considered?
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 21 March 2013 12: 28
            +2
            Quote: Hunter Thomson
            And the third option

            there is no third option. or an enemy or friend, that's all! no third is given.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 21 March 2013 14: 13
              +2
              Quote: djon3volta
              there is no third option. or an enemy or friend, that's all! no third is given.

              Well, sometimes you surprise. ++++++++++++ belay
            2. YuDDP
              YuDDP 22 March 2013 00: 16
              +2
              but there is still some poh
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 21 March 2013 14: 17
            +3
            Quote: Hunter Thomson
            And the third option - to be a normal person is not considered

            It's great that your "being a normal person" is skewed into:
            gaypars and similar benefits of "common people".
            FRIENDS and I on the sidelines on your "big top" will spit over the shoulder.
          3. Suhov
            Suhov 22 March 2013 10: 36
            +1
            Quote: Hunter Thomson
            And the third option - to be a normal person is not considered?

            There really are three options:
            - friend,
            - the enemy
            or
            - send all of us.
            Question. What do you think a normal person should choose?
        2. Atrix
          Atrix 21 March 2013 11: 04
          -2
          Quote: djon3volta
          Quote: Fox
          judging by the seliger-99.9-thieves.

          Do you know how I will answer you? I know who the seligerys are, and here’s what I’ll say - it’s better to be a herringbone than a marsh hamster. It’s better to be friends with Putin than with Obama. If you are against Putin, then you AUTOMATICALLY with Berezovsky, Navalny, Gorbachev, Nemtsov , Alekseeva, Chirikova, Udaltsov, etc. on the list.

          I will tell you so in the world there is no only black and only white, there are many more colors and shades. If you do not like power, this does not mean that a person automatically likes Novalny and his company. And the one who does not understand this full nerd. Already there were such rulers who did not dream that in Siberia for 20 years. So come on ... with such moments, you can put a minus.
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 43
            +3
            I hope you are not talking about the colors of rainbow flags? laughing
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 21 March 2013 14: 21
              0
              Quote: bddrus
              colors of rainbow flags

              It is about them that the "common man" speaks.
          2. Egen
            Egen 21 March 2013 12: 13
            +4
            Quote: Atrix
            who does not dream he is in Siberia for 20 years

            Here are those hello, why are you dear Andrei slandering Siberia, when it happened, now it’s good here with us! Not like in Moscow :)))))))
          3. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 22 March 2013 00: 47
            -1
            Quote: Atrix
            There are many more colors and shades.

            This is, if we talk about tastes, but in the worldview there are only two options - "FOR" and "Against". As you can see, it turns out either black or white. Do not lump everything together, do not mix concepts.
        3. ultra
          ultra 21 March 2013 11: 29
          0
          Quote: djon3volta
          if you are against Putin, then you are AUTOMATICALLY with Berezovsky, Navalny, Gorbachev, Nemtsov, Alekseeva, Chirikova, Udaltsov, and so on.
          It is familiar “if you are not with us, then you are against us!” It is understood that I cannot have my own head on my shoulders!
          1. seed
            seed 21 March 2013 12: 47
            +2
            Own head on shoulders is good. hi But now there is fighting. "Our strength is in unity" - I remember from the pioneer times. The vacillating and other neutral observers were always beaten by both "white" and "red" in Russia (and in other countries), and those who survived the beating did not decide anything. They simply lived in power (with white or red) regardless of their wishes.
        4. YuDDP
          YuDDP 22 March 2013 00: 15
          -1
          Of course, it is better to be friends with Putin. It is even better to be with him in the same country cooperative or in one section of the struggle.
          Deserved PLUS!
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 21 March 2013 12: 40
      -2
      Quote: djon3volta
      and for the sake of excuse (so that the care of the people was visible), the Kremlin bosses organize a pioneer camp for orphans in Cyprus. There will be 200 people there to take out for a shift. Half of the thieves.

      Who are you crushing the loaf into? We have one boss in the Kremlin - V.V. Putin And he and orphans are sacred. And you sew him rotten excuses. "you are AUTOMATICALLY with Berezovsky, Navalny, Gorbachev, Nemtsov, Alekseeva, Chirikova, Udaltsov, and so on on the list."?
      Quote: djon3volta
      better friends with Putin

      Late bream to throw. Now, only to beg forgiveness from the Serene, say, forgive me, Vladimirovich, I got this ram-rambler and the short circuit happened in a 3-volt circuit.
    3. AlexW
      AlexW 21 March 2013 18: 32
      +1
      The EU will strip Cyprus "like a sticky". It was in vain that his debt was wound up, brought to default. They will introduce external control, the gas will be taken away for peas, NATO bases will be there for nothing. The misunderstanding of the Republic of Cyprus will cease to exist - who will now need it non-stately. And the Cypriots will join the slender ranks of migrant workers in "civilized Europe," beating their hooves together. Trotsky's ideas live on and win.
  10. Egen
    Egen 21 March 2013 09: 04
    -1
    news http://news.mail.ru/politics/12421819/?frommail=1
    According to foreign media reports, Sarris offered Russia a stake in the national gas company of Cyprus and other preferences in the energy sector in exchange for permission to impose a one-time tax of 20-30% on all Russian deposits in island banks. Officially, neither Russian nor Cypriot officials commented on this information.

    Nifiga, however, applications if true. It is clear that in Cypriot banks money is not of the people, but of non-people :), but the Russians! Why should we give them away to all conceivable and no laws ?! And the "share offered to Russia" will ultimately go into the pocket of VP and others like them, i.e. this is the redistribution of Russian money - expropriation from the disgruntled people who hid the money offshore, and transferring them to their strong opponents - but not returning to the Russian economy! Sly, but not fair.

    But the Cypriots would simply sell their assets to Russia, so that the Russian Federation would directly control them, and pay off their debts - weakly? The adoption of 10 billion from the EU, in principle, the same eggs only in profile :)
    1. ultra
      ultra 21 March 2013 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: Egen
      But the Cypriots would simply sell their assets to Russia, so that the Russian Federation would directly control them, and pay off their debts - weakly?
      Their only assets are the sea, the sun and the earth! Welcome to the Russian Federation! lol lol lol
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 21 March 2013 11: 59
      +4
      Quote: Egen
      But the Cypriots would simply sell their assets to Russia, so that the Russian Federation would directly control them, and pay off their debts - weakly?

      This is the right decision ... a controlling stake in the statutory package of banks ... with the right to ascertain the origin of money and pay taxes from it to the Russian budget according to Russian laws ... and then let them decide where to invest it, in social programs, or in development hydrocarbons, but it should be decided by Russia, not Germany and not the EU, and especially not Rottweiler-Wrothschild capital negative
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 March 2013 18: 32
      +4
      Quote: Egen
      According to foreign media reports, Sarris offered Russia a stake in the national gas company of Cyprus and other preferences in the energy sector in exchange for permission to impose a one-time tax of 20-30% on all Russian deposits in island banks. Officially, neither Russian nor Cypriot officials commented on this information.


      Meanwhile, Cyprus Finance Minister Michalis Sarris, now in talks with the Russian authorities in Moscow, said his state will not receive a new loan from Russia. True, he immediately specified that “Russia cannot help us with credit, since the size of the loan would make Cyprus debt unviable”. He stated this by telephone on state television.

      The representative of the Cypriot Ministry of Finance hinted that some agreements were reached in the negotiations. “Ways can be found that could help us state and private firms,” he said. This is most likely a case in which assistance to the island state will be provided in the form of investments. Probably, we can talk about Gazprom’s participation in the development of gas fields on the Cyprus shelf.

      In particular, the Plan b", which should be presented late on March 21, according to media reports, includes merger of the two largest banks in the country - Laiki Bank PCL and Bank of Cyprus PCL. With the transfer of their bad assets to a “bad” bank, and good ones to a new structure. Moreover, according to Western publications, The Cypriot government hopes to sell this bank to Russian VTB. True, Russian banks officially refute their interest in such purchases.
      link

      In short, Cyprus is buying up the totalitarian Putin regime and no one is blathering, because there is no 6th US fleet in the Mediterranean Sea.
      And no one patronizing the other on the shoulder slams Borya. Happily, on Echo Matz, cries will start about people's money and poor pensioners for whom Putin is buying up foreign assets to please the oligarchs.
      I’m thinking that Ukraine wouldn’t refuse that Yanukovych would agree in such a way with Cyprus on a gas field and that it would be possible to be independent of Russian gas or would they also yell about national money?
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 22 March 2013 00: 34
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        I’m thinking that Ukraine wouldn’t refuse that Yanukovych would agree in such a way with Cyprus on a gas field and that it would be possible to be independent of Russian gas or would they also yell about national money?

        In Ukraine, they would not refuse, but who would allow him - the main investors are "dons" headed by "SCM" Akhmetov, who withdraws money so much - introduces - I posted above that the main investor is "foreign" - Cyprus, the main place for export capital - again Cyprus, and only in second place - Germany, this is money for the purchase of Krivorozhstal by Lakshmi Mital ...
  11. albanec
    albanec 21 March 2013 09: 08
    +3
    1. Cyprus exit from the EU.
    2. Joining the EurAsEC.

    Here is a variation. All Europe with amers in shock will be laughing
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 21 March 2013 11: 09
      +5
      Merkel swung at the most sacred and purest: the banking system, at the client's secrecy ........ damn it, I've never seen such a clown. I follow the news, I want to watch this series "The rich also cry fellow "
    2. Egen
      Egen 21 March 2013 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: albanec
      Joining the EurAsEC.

      Yes, it’s just that no one knows this, and who knows, doesn’t take it seriously :( If we had ours, to whom it is possible and necessary :) - like one famous character they would kick a shoe for something, they said - that's it, we are creating the Union, who wants to - join in, and who does not want to ........ (this is a significant ellipsis for B and P, it works great !! :)) But there is nothing besides chatter :(
      1. 755962
        755962 21 March 2013 13: 09
        +1
        Analyst: Cyprus could be the trigger for Europe, which everyone fears so much

        In a Morning Sunday note to his clients, Morgan Stanley economist Joachim Fels wrote: “I see this as an alarming precedent with potential consequences for the system if investors in other peripheral countries start to fear that they might do the same.”

        “This initiative is likely to go down in history as a poorly designed plan to save peripheral Europe,” says SocGen strategist Sebastian Gali. "She breaks the main rule - namely, people's trust in banks, on which everything is based."

        http://mixednews.ru/archives/33305
  12. Strashila
    Strashila 21 March 2013 09: 14
    +1
    Yes, simplicity rejoice at their pettiness ... tax on accounts ... yes, they will take and accept a one-time tax on foreign assets of companies registered in Cyprus ... that is, disappearances will go immediately to tens or even hundreds of billions of eureka ... and do not care about the investment image ... if you immediately get a dozen annual budgets in your pocket.
  13. timhelmet
    timhelmet 21 March 2013 09: 15
    +1
    European Union relations are cracking at the seams. Frauds and forgeries have gone. No mutual assistance.

    Well ...
  14. Cpa
    Cpa 21 March 2013 09: 37
    +3
    Two points from which are both funny and bitter:
    1. EU stupidly requires a rollback for someone else's money loan! belay
    2. If state-owned corporations and departments do not want to pay taxes to the state, then either the state-owned corporations are not ours, or the government! am
    Things need to be called by their proper names.
    Z.Y. Sberbank is definitely not an alternative !!!
  15. Andrey57
    Andrey57 21 March 2013 09: 45
    +4
    Merkel behaved like the last fool, although of course the ears of the Americans also stick out in full. Gave GDP in the hands of such a weighty club, which he never dreamed of laughing He will now beat her on the head with both the EU and his own. Now Merkel accurately flies in the next election with a bang. And after the GDP outlined how exactly it will beat the EU, as many as 16 European Commissioners headed by Barozu, plus another hundred high-ranking officials, will come to Moscow today - it’s realized that it’s baked under your ass !!! At the same time, GDP did not want to accept the Minister of Finance of Cyprus, with all his proposals bully
  16. amp
    amp 21 March 2013 09: 45
    +5
    Well, of course, our authorities will give Russian taxpayers money in order to save the money of Russian corrupt officials from Cypriot offshore companies.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 22 March 2013 00: 58
      +1
      Quote: amp
      will give money to Russian taxpayers,

      Calm down, taxpayer! They did not and will not.
  17. Tartary
    Tartary 21 March 2013 09: 56
    0
    Quote: albanec
    1. Cyprus exit from the EU.
    2. Joining the EurAsEC.
    Here is a variation. All Europe with amers in shock will be


    Once upon a time there was a historical theme in which the Cyprus issue was discussed against the background of the presence of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean ...
    As far as I remember there was infa. That Cyprus, following the results of some kind of war there, was either donated to Russia, or bought out by Russia ...
    Or maybe I'm wrong ...

    Who specifically knows about this? The Internet gives nothing about this ...
  18. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 21 March 2013 09: 57
    11
    Quote:
    “Opening the meeting, Yevgeny Savchenko jokingly asked those present if anyone had lost money, the regional news agency Belru.rf reports. The Belgorod governor suggested that the Cypriot authorities nationalize 70% of the amount of Russians' deposits.“ And print so that we find out who they are Russian patriots, and who are Russian Cypriots, ”said the head of the region.
    Source: http://fedpress.ru/news/polit_vlast/news_polit/1363695267-belgorodskii-gubernato

    r-predlozhil-vlastyam-kipra-spisat-so-schetov-rossiyan-70 "
    "and it is quite obvious that Europe will solve its problems at the expense of the Russians' pockets, and primarily at the expense of those who acquired their capital in a far from legal and legal way in the 90s. In European courts, they will be disenfranchised" boys for whipping "- never in their life, neither Russian oligarchs, nor corrupt officials, nor criminal structures will be able to clearly explain the source of their wealth - multibillion-dollar accounts, villas, yachts, football clubs, etc."
    Lafa in my opinion ends. In any case, this is a precedent.
  19. optimist
    optimist 21 March 2013 10: 01
    -5
    Something I don’t understand that the people were so excited? Do any of those present here have deposits in Cyprus? To simplify the situation, the West once again used Russia as a whore and did not pay any money. And rightly so, they are trying to slam this stinking "laundry". Our money from there to Russia would never return anyway. But the GDP with the LADY fussed like a fuss: the oligarchs' homies were thrown for the loot! Maybe their money was spinning there? In any case, you always have to pay for everything. Here again we will pay for our stupidity. By the way: before you swear at the Europeans, remember the Russian default of 98: then the whole country was thrown ... And nothing, rubbed off .... And now 2,5 billion have already been thrown into the "black hole", and another 6-10 GDP-shechka will give to their homies.
    1. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek 21 March 2013 10: 24
      +6
      minus for ignorance of the subject. the offshore system is essentially a LEGAL tax evasion scheme. Therefore, money was sent through Cyprus and returned back. but Russian companies that invested in Cyprus, including Sberbank. VTB and so forth are not oligarchs and now they want to rob them specifically. The oligarchs you are talking about do not store money in such places, it is rich enough to fork out for Luxembourg. Cayman, etc. Of course, I do not exclude the presence of dark money, but do not say that all the money invested in Cyprus was stolen.
      And the GDP was quite worried, firstly, the loan was outstanding, and secondly, they threw RUSSIAN citizens. Or do you want to somehow divide the citizens into those for whom it is worth standing up and for those for whom FSUs? Then the question: what do you consider yourself?
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 21 March 2013 10: 36
        +2
        Quote: Ragnarek
        minus for ignorance of the subject. the offshore system is essentially a LEGAL tax evasion scheme. Therefore, money was sent through Cyprus and returned back. but Russian companies that invested in Cyprus, including Sberbank. VTB and so forth are not oligarchs and now they want to rob them specifically. The oligarchs you are talking about do not store money in such places, it is rich enough to fork out for Luxembourg. Cayman, etc. Of course, I do not exclude the presence of dark money, but do not say that all the money invested in Cyprus was stolen.
        And the GDP was quite worried, firstly, the loan was outstanding, and secondly, they threw RUSSIAN citizens. Or do you want to somehow divide the citizens into those for whom it is worth standing up and for those for whom FSUs? Then the question: what do you consider yourself?

        You contradict yourself, you say that Cyprus was used for tax evasion, in many countries tax evasion is considered a serious crime and 99.99% of the money stored in accounts in Cyprus is money illegally and it’s not hot or cold for ordinary citizens and the country . And then the question is why citizens and the president they choose should worry about thieves who keep their money in offshore areas ??? Well, if they kept money inside the country, which would help the economy, and if this money is illegally withdrawn from Russia, let it also be "illegally" confiscated. Although this is an internal affair of the country which taxes to drive and which not to drive, and it is not the problem of Cyprus that thieves of Russia laundered money through it
        1. Zeus
          Zeus 21 March 2013 10: 40
          +4
          If everything is as you say, then the money that is stolen, which in Cyprus, which are thieves, was stolen from Russia and its citizens. Why should our president and we not have to worry that the money stolen from us will be withdrawn by some other country for its benefit? They must be returned to Russia.
          1. Atrix
            Atrix 21 March 2013 10: 57
            0
            Quote: Zeus
            If everything is as you say, then the money that is stolen, which in Cyprus, which are thieves, was stolen from Russia and its citizens. Why should our president and we not have to worry that the money stolen from us will be withdrawn by some other country for its benefit? They must be returned to Russia.

            I would agree with you if I heard from the country's leadership that they require the return of the stolen money that is stored in accounts in Cyprus and by the names of the owners. However, no one demanded this, and as soon as they were about to drive a tax, a panic began among the rulers of Russia.
            1. Zeus
              Zeus 21 March 2013 11: 08
              -2
              Not everything is clear yet. I would not rush to conclusions. But the fact that our neoliberal government was thrown is a fact))))
            2. Ragnarek
              Ragnarek 21 March 2013 11: 40
              +3
              so that you know, this is exactly what the Cypriot authorities demand - a list of beneficiaries for all Russian deposits, and it will immediately become clear who stole and who did not.
            3. Atlon
              Atlon 21 March 2013 11: 43
              +8
              Quote: Atrix
              I would agree with you if I heard from the country's leadership that they require the return of the stolen money that is stored in accounts in Cyprus

              When you play cards, do you hold the cards with your shirt to you, and the pictures to the players? laughing
              I read the comments and am amazed! Baby talk! Well, everyone is just so smart, they saw through the stupid President Putin two times! and he keeps his money there (the entire salary), and worries about the "oligarch's friends". And in general he behaves like a pimply youth with no brains in his head. Runs and fusses. Just so, you behave! All those who comment without trying to turn on the brain and analyze at least a little! However, for the analysis we need another infa, not only the one written in the article, and not only the phrase taken out of context: "Putin is outraged." In general, there is nothing to argue with you! Just tired of reading nonsense, that's why I wrote it! It concerns everyone who makes "Yaroslavna's lament" here, and who thinks that they are not smarter than the President.
              1. Egen
                Egen 21 March 2013 12: 48
                +3
                Quote: Atlon
                I read komenty and amazed! Baby talk! Well, all so smart


                Well, Duc, Pavel, why are you running into the people, not everything as you wrote "does not include the brain", some are trying to analyze :) And go and guess who in your opinion is the exception :) But you would still better lead your analysis is serious, it would be interesting to read a reasoned point of view, and not how right you are sometimes oh and oh :)
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 21 March 2013 13: 44
                  +6
                  Quote: Egen
                  But you would better bring your analysis - seriously, it would be interesting to read the reasoned point of view,

                  Well, let's think together ...

                  1. Here are some of them writing: An attack on Putin, on Russia, on our Banks ... how ?! Although I’m not a banker, I use the banking system, and even as a layman I know what happens:
                  a) private accounts of individuals
                  b) accounts of legal entities (companies, firms)
                  c) accounts of residents (banks)
                  NO ONE, NEVER, UNDER ANY CONDITIONS, will put his hand into the pocket of residents. And for legal entities too. Although it depends on their "coolness". For example, some kind of LLC "Horns and Hooves" will climb, and OJSC Gazprom is hell there!

                  2. Who benefits?
                  Eurozone? Domino effect? In every second comment ... What for Europe, this effect? Suicides or what?
                  America? Even funnier! They write that the US is supposedly cracking down on the Euro. Gee ... Since the 90s, we have all learned to understand the economy, made us. So, it is obvious that during a crisis it is beneficial to keep your currency at a reduced rate. And it turns out that the Amers decided to bring down the euro? What would the dollar jump? What for??? If in recent years they blamed the EU for lowering the value of their currency, creating a competitive advantage over the United States. If the United States has been crying for a year that China is too much undervalued the yuan. even if there are claims to Russia about the "low" ruble exchange rate. So why would they ruin the euro ???

                  3. A. Merkel ... Oh, this Frau Merkel. It looks like the same sacrificial sheep like Obama. Everything will be written off to her. But the constant shadow of Putin on the political Olympus of Germany is already noticeable with the naked eye. So who is holding whom "by the balls" is a big question! Even though Merkel is a woman ... (in the sense that she has no eggs). laughing

                  4. So who benefits?
                  "Why are Putin and Medvedev so worried?"
                  Nobody worried! And what, they were waiting for Putin to say: "Yes, this is our cunning game! We so want to seize Cyprus and punish the oligarchs. We have invented all this and are implementing it!"

                  5. Well, and yet, who benefits from that? wink
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 21 March 2013 16: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Atlon
                    here we all learned to understand the economy, made us. So, it is obvious that in a crisis it is beneficial to keep your currency at a lower rate. But what happens? Amer decided to bring down the euro? What would the dollar jump? What for???

                    I will answer as "unlearned". With a reduced euro exchange rate, China's export-oriented economy will either receive a kirdyk, or they will redirect these flows, receiving not euros, but dollars for them ... at a high rate. Several thousand tons of paper and paint were brought to the FRS ... "Pupkin's arithmetic with pictures." laughing
                    1. Atlon
                      Atlon 21 March 2013 17: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Kaa
                      With a reduced euro exchange rate, China’s export-oriented economy will either get kirdyk or they will redirect these flows, receiving dollars, not euros, for them ... at a high rate.

                      What does "redirect" mean? Evropa bought 100500 Chinese markers, but now it won't buy ... And the Chinese, rrraz, will redirect markers to the USA ?! And in the USA they will immediately buy 100500 Chinese markers ???
                      1. Kaa
                        Kaa 21 March 2013 18: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Atlon
                        And in the USA, right away they’ll immediately buy 100500 Chinese felt-tip pens ???

                        Well, why are you so straightforward ... Europe cannot buy 100500 markers, but, say, 50500. The USA, for example, also bought 100500, the total sales volume was 200001 thousand. For this, for example, China received 100500 euros and 130000 dollars. The United States no longer needs a single marker, so they make a "business proposal", or lower prices and get 100500 dollars for 100000 markers, or we will buy from Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, and China will remain with its markers (150500) and 50500 euro, 0 dollars is a classic case of an overproduction crisis. China is a relative monopolist in a limited group of goods, say, "rare earths", everything else can be produced by neighbors. But the problems of China are of little interest to me, but the decline in the solvency of Europe in relation to, say, Russian gas, this is more significant. Europe will begin to reduce purchases due to the decline in production, the United States will only be delighted with the decrease in Gazprom's export earnings ... Everything revolves around the dollar as the only reliable means of payment. The British Empire existed as long as this position was occupied by their pound sterling ... and after 1944 - off and on - India, Pakistan and further down the list ...
                      2. Egen
                        Egen 22 March 2013 10: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Kaa
                        The growing solvency of Europe in relation to, say, Russian gas is already more substantial.

                        and here it’s not so simple :) An example. I don’t know about felt-tip pens, I know about tires - I was at their factories. Cord is made from thread, thread from caprolactam, and the Chinese are bringing this good caprolactam from the United States. In Russia, there is simply not so much caprolactam :(. So, if less tires are purchased, then caprolactam will be less purchased accordingly and it will not be completely good for the same States - everything is simple :)
                2. Tverichanka
                  Tverichanka 22 March 2013 01: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Atlon
                  let's think together ...

                  Million pluses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                3. Egen
                  Egen 22 March 2013 10: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Atlon
                  Although I’m not a banker, I use the banking system

                  Yeah! We are going to the opposite :)) I worked in the order of a large bank before the crisis of 1999, and since then I have been far from banks :))
                  1) I do not understand what you mean. Everything is right about the residents and no. But accounts are still divided into settlement and deposit accounts (both legal entities and individuals). Here it was specifically about the deposit. It is difficult to impose on the calculated paws
                  2 and further) It is clear that the European Union as a whole does not seem to need this. It can be beneficial financially to those banks that will give a loan - it gets state security, not like some kind of private risky business :) Remember these GKOs in the 90s? :)
                  But it is also clear that there is more politics than money. And everything points to Germany. Do you mean that you think that by means of gas pressure on Germany from the Russian Federation, this is all the same? :)
                  Well, I don’t know .. It seems to be the logic you have, but ....
                  - because of the offshore scheme, yes, rather big investments in the Russian Federation go _through_ Cyprus. But these are not deposit accounts; they did not want to extend the law to them. So, the business of logic should not have suffered. But IMHO oligarchs do not keep money in cash :) Well, they are not fools, they should know Marx D-D-D :), and they keep everything in circulation, then in stocks, then in yachts :) Therefore, they shouldn’t get injured. Then who holds the money in Cyprus? And who are displeased with those in power? :)
                  - A situation similar in political consequences after all was already in Greece and Spain. In Greece, as far as I remember, Merkel also ... ran. And there, then, the hand of the Guide :) why did it fit in? It seems to us that neither of those nor the others broke off?
                  - why then strategically Cyprus and not Syria? Cyprus is a small fish in Europe, and Syria is a bone from the States ... in something. It is logical to alliance with Syria, or is there not enough strength for Big Brother, they decided to recruit them little by little, from small?
                  - about the currency: the US generally does not need to crush the euro. That's right, a strong dollar is unprofitable for the States, the Russian Federation - rather a strong euro is more profitable, because we sell resources. Also, a strong euro means a strong economy with which it is better to trade, and not its absence, when there is no one to even sell. But this is also disadvantageous for the Russian Federation - this means a decrease in oil and gas supplies! So everything rests on Frau?
                  1. Atlon
                    Atlon 22 March 2013 14: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Egen
                    So everything rests on Frau?

                    Well, let’s say ... And the main question of all times and peoples ... So WHO is beneficial then ?! wink Frau? What for?
            4. Botanologist
              Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 35
              0
              Atlon

              I wrote a little higher, which GDP activates. He is a politician, not a banker, only many people forget about it.
            5. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 22 March 2013 01: 10
              +1
              Quote: Atlon
              I am komenty and amazed!

              I have already "thank you" for some topic, but I will repeat, THANK YOU for balanced and intelligent comments! ......... With great respect and wishes of every success.
          2. bddrus
            bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 49
            +2
            and thieves can store money in our banks completely - are you for the same tax in Russia?
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 21 March 2013 13: 47
              +1
              Quote: bddrus
              and thieves can store money in our banks

              They can, but ...

              1. paying all taxes.
              2. explaining where the money came from.

              So do not get spoiled!
              1. bddrus
                bddrus 21 March 2013 14: 56
                0
                But does the bank require an explanation?
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 21 March 2013 17: 03
                  0
                  No bank, but the state requires
                  1. ssergn
                    ssergn 22 March 2013 08: 22
                    0
                    Rather, after all, the bank requires. But the state obliged him to do this. And financial intelligence (Rosfinmonitoring) is not asleep. And this structure is so awesome. I know that the FSB and the prosecutor’s offices are not particularly decree (in the sense of independence).
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak 21 March 2013 21: 23
                +1
                Quote: Atlon
                They can, but ...

                1. paying all taxes.
                2. explaining where the money came from.

                So do not get spoiled!


                1. You can open an account in the Moscow representative office of Laika Bank. The account will have Cypriot details, as the representative office does not conduct its own banking activities. Taxes smoke
                2. Only with a cash out of more than 500 rubles, but this is with us. In euros, many banks in Cyprus allow you to withdraw cash without commission and explanation. This is if the amount is withdrawn directly from one of the bank’s brunches from the account. The commission for transferring funds from Russia depends on the Russian bank.
                So past
          3. AlexW
            AlexW 21 March 2013 22: 08
            0
            Atrix How is it not required to return? They demanded and repeatedly. But the Cypriot government refused to refer to the EU, to the secret of the rulers, to "sacred private property." GDP is good - give lists of accounts and beneficiaries - we will work and the grabbers will return everything themselves. No-oh yes you, how can you, the EU will not allow the old song about sacred private property. And how the EU did not give a damn about its own dogmas, ran as if stung. Yes, VVP does not want to meet with them now, it will now sort things out with the owners (EU).
            The EU, Merkel is dressing up as a kind of Robin Hood - "plunder the loot" only to take away the tax, introduced in a cheating way - retroactively, they intend not only from grabbing oligarchs - from everyone, including from the legal accounts of Russian banks. Well, even if they withdraw 15% from thieves' accounts, what will return the remaining 85% to the Russian budget? - no matter how it is, this is not the point.
          4. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 22 March 2013 01: 06
            0
            Quote: Atrix
            if from the country's leadership heard

            Fathers, are they really the leadership, they haven’t called you? Well, wow, you’re worried, but they don’t give a damn ... I feel sorry, sick, oh, how much I sympathize ...
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 21 March 2013 22: 13
        +1
        In my opinion, in 2006, I helped my chef open an account, or rather, set up a bank for a client, a calculator, pseudo-pin registrar, and communication with Cypriots. So here, he was not an oligarch / thief, but he was the owner of a legal / consulting office.
    2. optimist
      optimist 21 March 2013 10: 56
      +2
      I am not an economist and do not understand the intricacies. But I know one thing for sure: Russia will no longer see this money. So let the Europeans take them away than Abramovich will buy another yacht with them. But about "Russian citizens" is not necessary: ​​the overwhelming majority of these same citizens do not even have an account with the Savings Bank. But those "citizens" about whom you are worried know the history well. And they do not want to "if something happens" to work in the West as taxi drivers and prostitutes, like their ancestors after 1917.
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 21 March 2013 11: 10
        -4
        Quote: optimist
        I am not an economist and do not understand the intricacies. But I know one thing for sure: Russia will no longer see this money. So let the Europeans take them away than Abramovich will buy another yacht with them. But about "Russian citizens" is not necessary: ​​the overwhelming majority of these same citizens do not even have an account with the Savings Bank. But those "citizens" about whom you are worried know the history well. And they do not want to "if something happens" to work in the West as taxi drivers and prostitutes, like their ancestors after 1917.

        What are you talking about nonsense about 1917? You first learn the story, and then talk about prostitutes and taxi drivers. The fact that people did not support the Communist Party does not mean that they did not love their homeland, they were just the real elite of Russia and the fact that they were forced to leave Russia by repression and killings was a huge loss for Russia. These are just now the grandchildren of those who in 1917 destroyed the Russian Empire plundering Russia in the 90s and are storing money in Cyprus.
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 21 March 2013 22: 21
        0
        The choice between Abramovich’s yacht and Nato’s tank? Better it will be bad assets and they will all die.
    3. seed
      seed 21 March 2013 12: 55
      +2
      Keep
      Ragnarek. And comrade The optimist already got the GDP oligarch homies.
  20. Egen
    Egen 21 March 2013 12: 34
    +1
    Quote: optimist
    that the people were so excited? Some of those here have deposits in Cyprus

    No, no, but I was there 20 years ago on a honeymoon with my wife - I liked Cyprus and the proud Cypriots :) Therefore, I "root for them".
    And I am "worried" about international lawlessness - this is, contrary to all international and domestic laws, depriving people of money! I do not consider what kind of people and what kind of money, it is not important, but it is important to violate laws and regulations and interfere in the affairs of a sovereign state!
    And most importantly - what our leadership does not do - not in defense of people and money, to hell with them, but in defense of principles!
    In this way, one day it may turn to us :( Not even to me personally - but I don’t have that much money to keep in banks and after the 98th I don’t play with the state and banks :) - but I hope my children still will live better :)
  • Zeus
    Zeus 21 March 2013 10: 36
    0
    Cyprus was no longer an offshore zone. There is still a moment. Yesterday, police searched the apartment of the IMF’s head Christine Lagard in a French apartment. Well, Strauss-Kahn is immediately remembered. Searches in people's apartments at such posts are not accidental. Especially now after the shem in Cyprus. It is interesting that now all this will happen.
  • Zeus
    Zeus 21 March 2013 10: 37
    +2
    Speaking of the head of the IMF. Kristin Lagarde, worked for a long time in the United States, along with the psychotic Judas Brzezinski. So apparently an ardent Russophobia. IMHO.
  • Mart
    21 March 2013 10: 38
    +5
    Cyprus pictures: http://www.vz.ru/photoreport/625214/#ad-image-0
  • Zeus
    Zeus 21 March 2013 10: 48
    0
    Cypriots tore the flag from the German embassy [media = http: //youtu.be/LBhzBh1kPCo]
  • elmi
    elmi 21 March 2013 10: 49
    +5
    Cypriots want help from us, and who helped us at 1998? Not only that, because of these offshores, the treasury of Russia receives less than billions of dollars, they also want to forgive the loans issued to them earlier and still want how much they don’t give, all the same it will be small. A friend is in trouble, one must choose friends more clearly
  • подводник
    подводник 21 March 2013 10: 59
    0
    Quote: submariner
    Here is the location of these bases on the map of Cyprus (highlighted in pink)
  • Boris55
    Boris55 21 March 2013 11: 00
    -2
    Bank VTB finances the entire defense industry ( http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=237 )
    That is why our enemies strike in Cyprus.
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 21 March 2013 11: 19
      +4
      Quote: Boris55
      Bank VTB finances the entire defense industry ( http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=237 )
      That is why our enemies strike in Cyprus.

      Your enemies do nothing. A smart state keeps its money in its banks or invests in the development of the economy of its country, not a country called Cyprus. And why the hell does VTB Bank keep money in offshore zones? Is he non-state? Is it not a crime when money is withdrawn from the Russian economy by a state bank? That no one understood that in a foreign country I can close these accounts at any time?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 March 2013 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: Atrix
        ... A smart state keeps its money in its banks ...


        Do you think that Russia and Russia have its own bank, independent of the FRS? If so, then you do not understand anything about "sausage scraps".
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 21 March 2013 11: 39
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Atrix
          ... A smart state keeps its money in its banks ...


          Do you think that Russia and Russia have its own bank, independent of the FRS? If so, then you do not understand anything about "sausage scraps".

          So you contradict yourself smile From the beginning you say that VTB finances the defense and the tax in Cyprus was against Russia, now you say that there are no independent banks in Russia and then it is foolish to say that the defense is financed by a bank that depends on the Fed. Or simply there is no such thing as Russia if there are no independent banks from the West in the country
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 21 March 2013 11: 45
            -2
            Therefore, VTB and Cyprus. Away from the Fed ...
            (For you, for acquaintance: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=471 )
  • zao74
    zao74 21 March 2013 11: 06
    +4
    Cyprus, for any reason, has lost its appeal as an offshore, and the Russians are not a subtle hint, invest in your country!
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 12: 19
      -2
      Europeans thought to annoy Russia (thinking that they would pinch the tail to the rich of Russia), but it turns out that this was what we needed .. we could not influence it to return the loot to the country, but Europe accidentally helped, and now it will bite its elbows))))
      there would be no happiness, but misfortune would help.
      1. I think so
        I think so 21 March 2013 23: 08
        0
        Thieves NEVER stolen back to Russia, and your childhood hopes are baseless and naive ... As you robbed, they will continue to rob you ... and the authorities including ...
  • Atlon
    Atlon 21 March 2013 11: 22
    +7
    "Oh, and delicate, however, work!" (m / f "Last year's snow was falling")

    Putin is "pulling the strings" more and more actively.

    Le Figaro correspondent Pierre Avril writes that many holdings of large Russian companies, including state ones, are registered in Cyprus. On the other hand, "the introduction of a tax on deposits serves the interests of Moscow, as it makes the Cyprus financial platform less attractive and encourages Russian investors to return their assets to their homeland."

    The columnist Der Spiegel, Benjamin Bidder, also discusses this: “The crisis and the withdrawal of funds from depositors of depositors seriously undermine the island’s reputation as a reliable place for the contributions of the Russian rich, and, as you know, declared war on foreign offshore companies.” According to the journalist, with the help of “deoffshorization”, Comrade Putin wants to return Russian money from abroad to his homeland and enhance Moscow’s image as a financial center.


    Mnogokhodovka started cunning. Putin puts pressure on Merkel, Germany puts pressure on Cyprus, Cyprus sends a messenger to Moscow ... Gazprom is trying to buy Cypriot fields ... Putin is fighting offshore ... So far it resembles a mixed puzzle, but the picture is slowly developing ... wink
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 12: 15
      -4
      Quote: Atlon
      Putin puts pressure on Merkel, Germany puts pressure on Cyprus, Cyprus sends a messenger to Moscow ...

      so it’s in vain that Merkel threatened Cyprus so that they wouldn’t communicate with Putin))) it’s they (Europe) who are afraid that Putin will pick up Cyprus for himself. it sounds open from the screens. Putin certainly cannot (and never will) be openly conflict with Europe, whatever it would not be profitable, but as with the KGB officer it is not customary for them to show themselves openly, they use multi-way and espionage.
      êàî I say this - if in 2000 Russia led another president, we would go now jackets rather than the steep down jackets.
      by the way, life has become better, life has become more fun fellow who said that? Stalin laughing
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 21 March 2013 13: 57
        +1
        Quote: djon3volta
        so in vain did Merkel threaten Cyprus so that they would not communicate with Putin))

        A good mine, with a bad game! No more. As well as the notorious "Putin's indignation". We grew up in political battles in Soviet kitchens, learned to read between the lines. All these statements of politicians, they are for the western man in the street. wink
    2. xan
      xan 21 March 2013 16: 34
      0
      [quote = Atlon] "Oh, and fine, however, work!" (m / f "Last year's snow was falling")

      Putin is "pulling the strings" more and more actively.
      Too simple scheme, so even gamblers can not be divorced
      It remains to hope for the IQ of our Kremlin that they will not lose
      although I do not care
    3. YuDDP
      YuDDP 22 March 2013 00: 30
      0
      Quote: Atlon
      Mnogokhodovka started cunning.

      Somehow more often than not I came across a lot of life in my life - it was only Spassky, Fisher, Karpov, Kasparov who were capable of them, but the traditional one: they wanted it to be the best, it worked out, as always ... and it was time to accomplish the feat - to quickly resolve the situation.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 21 March 2013 11: 43
    -1
    [quote = Atrix] [quote = Boris55] [quote = Atrix] ... if the country has no independent banks from the West [/ quote]
    Therefore, VTB and Cyprus.
  • Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 21 March 2013 11: 44
    +1
    This is scam ... The European Union has spread Cyprus into money. (Even if the Cyprus government does not start to take money from people's deposits) Money will start to run away at an unrealistic speed .... Swiss banks applaud and rub their paws. Competitors were strangled easily and unhurriedly
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 22 March 2013 01: 35
      0
      Quote: Zlyden.Zlo
      .... Swiss banks

      It's not so simple with Swiss banks. Remember that they undertook to disclose information about deposits under certain conditions. Therefore, "dirty" money is not kept there. For this there are other structures. And Cyprus is not a competitor in this matter to Switzerland. Why should they have it. no reason.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 21 March 2013 11: 45
    0
    Yes to hell to them to reign in Europe ... are re-stamped ...
  • povkonavt
    povkonavt 21 March 2013 12: 06
    -1
    Quote: Sirocco
    the command from above arrived to strike under the breath of Russia.

    I agree with this opinion, because I believe that in order to return the money to a handful of oligarchs, Cyprus credits Russia from budget money that these oligarchs have not yet raspil
  • volan
    volan 21 March 2013 12: 09
    +3
    "Keep your money in the Savings Bank!" (c) For noh .. diving offshore
    1. xan
      xan 21 March 2013 16: 35
      0
      Quote: volan
      "Keep your money in the Savings Bank!" (c) For noh .. diving offshore

      just not at Sberbank, they are overgrown
  • yacht
    yacht 21 March 2013 12: 59
    +2
    These Europeans finally became insolent, you see, they do not want to save the money of "Dear Russians" in Cyprus ...
  • Strashila
    Strashila 21 March 2013 13: 17
    +3
    “We have a large number of open public structures working through Cyprus, they have now blocked money for unknown reasons, because the source of this money is obvious, this money has been presented everywhere. These are government structures, ”Medvedev said in an interview with a number of European media and the Russian agency Interfax.
    ... such a statement ??? It turns out that even budgetary structures do not pay taxes in Russia ... what kind of development of the state can be discussed ... and about the investment climate (what is it who knows nothing) to be silent at all ... Such a statement should be evaluated by the prosecutor's office ... and President, in another country at the primier’s, this was the last statement in his political career ...
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 21 March 2013 13: 26
    +4
    Cypriots will take a loan of 6 billion in Russia with the condition that they will not touch the deposits of Russian oligarchs (read the money stolen in Russia). This loan will be given at the expense of ordinary taxpayers in Russia, who never had a dime in Cypriot banks. Credit a priori Cypriots will not be able to repay. But look further, the Cypriots and credit in Russia will take and, under some pretext, then they will still remove interest from deposits.
  • jayich
    jayich 21 March 2013 13: 26
    +3
    Well, you can, in principle, offer Cyprus to join the Russian Federation, and the British to collect things and dump, here you have the base and anything in the Mediterranean Sea. laughing
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 21 March 2013 13: 27
    0
    So, for information, interest rates on deposits in Cyprus are higher than in Russia and in many EU countries. For example, in Cyprus 4,5 in Germany 1,5. That is, if you put money in a Bank of Cyprus, then after a while you can withdraw more. And the interest rate on banking services is the least. That is, if you settle with a counterparty through a Cypriot bank, a lower bank percentage will be retained. That is probably why many, including state-owned companies, worked through Cyprus banks.
    But the commentators don’t give a damn about it all, because they pinched the tail of the oligarchs and the GDP personally, the money is all stolen and it’s good that they are taken away. Minusite
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 21 March 2013 14: 01
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      because they pinched the tail of the oligarchs and GDP personally, the money is all stolen

      Can you prove it? Especially with regard to: "GDP in person"? Or such "capital" "truths" do not require proof? laughing
      1. Ragnarek
        Ragnarek 21 March 2013 15: 07
        +2
        Are you pretending to be a fool now? read the sentence from the beginning
        "But all the above commentators do not care deeply because nailed the tail of the oligarchs and GDP personally, the money is all stolen and it's good that they are being taken away. Minus "
        I want to say that commentators above saliva come because in their opinion they pinched the tail of GDP, etc. but they don’t want to delve into the essence of the issue. You are obvious from the same category. There was a better opinion of you
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 21 March 2013 17: 25
          0
          Quote: Ragnarek
          "But all the above commentators do not care about this, because they pinched the tail of the oligarchs and the GDP personally, the money is all stolen and it is good that they are being taken away."

          Quote: Ragnarek
          I want to say that commentators above saliva come because in their opinion they pinched the tail of GDP, etc. but they don’t want to delve into the essence of the issue.

          What you wanted to say is unknown to me. As it was written, it is understood! The second sentence is more clear.

          Quote: Ragnarek
          You are obvious from the same category. There was a better opinion of you

          And this is already completely bad manners ... However, it is not for me to judge you.
  • alma
    alma 21 March 2013 13: 53
    0
    Quote: Hunter Thomson
    And where to jump from this airfield? What are we going to bomb? Greece, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon or Israel? There are no other candidates.

    Yes, at least cover up the Mediterranean grouping of ships. Everyone is arguing now whether aircraft carriers are needed or not. And the island is an unsinkable aircraft carrier, and planes are more complete than deck
  • ssergn
    ssergn 21 March 2013 14: 33
    +9
    Hello everyone, dear

    I have written on this topic earlier. So - the "Russian" money in Cyprus is estimated at about <30 %%. How many of them are gray - I honestly don't know. The rest is money from Cypriots and non-Russian foreign investors. So, it really DOESN'T matter whose money will be expropriated by the proposed "special tax". I think that the howl raised in Europe over "Russian" money is an attempt to stupidly divert and divert attention of both the public and the press from the main problem. The fact is that deposits in banks are someone else's money, it is someone's PRIVATE PROPERTY. (No need to talk nonsense, arguing that people consciously take risks when making deposits - this is just our, Russian feature, and you try, explain to a European - that his money in the bank is almost not his) And taking them away, European politicians trample on one of the fundamental principles of Western society and democracy (for the sake of, again, their own private interests), this is the INTEGRITY and INVALIDITY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY. After all, this will not only undermine the credibility of the banking system, but also simply kill it. Moreover, the domino effect will follow - first, the bank system of Greece, Spain, Italy and others will fall down. And there the scribe is not far from the European Union. Moreover, the rest of the world will naturally affect and hurt everyone.

    That's just the question - who the fuck is it profitable for.

    And more about - to steal, where, how and by what methods. Read this author (S. Golubitsky). He has a bunch of articles on this topic. Some defenders of Western democracies and "values" will just sober up a little.



    here
    http://i-business.ru/user_wall/sgolub
    and here
    http://www.computerra.ru/author/sgolub/
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 18: 47
      -1
      Quote: ssergn
      First, the system of Greece, Spain, Italy and others will be rained down. And there the scribe is not far away from the European Union.

      Quote: ssergn
      That's just the question - who the fuck is it profitable for.

      those who want to save the dollar are no longer profitable to anyone. America is profitable, that's who!
  • ATATA
    ATATA 21 March 2013 15: 05
    +2
    Then they began to speak in the news that Russia would require a navy base in exchange for use. Maybe they’ll agree on the airfield ...

    and here, in return for help, to bargain for yourself the right to extract gas from offshore fields - this is quite real

    Ohohohhhh ..... recourse
    The thing is this?
    In Cyprus, Russian money is 30-40 yards of euros.
    Total deposit in Cyprus is about 70 yards of euros. About.
    As a rule, banks do not have full money for all deposits, with a maximum of 10-15% of the volume of deposits.
    To save Cyprus, supposedly 17 yards are needed. This is a bank gap, i.e. negative balance at the time of payments otherwise bankruptcy.
    That is, if they conduct a forced confiscation, the Russian Federation will lose supposedly 3-4 yards, and save everything else. laughing
    Now no one, even the Germans and the British, can withdraw money.
    Accounts are blocked. as soon as accounts are unlocked, what will be the normal and natural reaction of investors?
    Remove everything to the penny !!!!
    Thus, out of 70 yards, 7-9 yards are removed and transferred at all !!!!
    Or for those who are closer to the box office window.
    Those. in order to save Cyprus and withdraw its 30-40 yards, Cyprus should be given approximately
    17 + 63 = 80 yards !!!!! 17 bank gap 63, so that depositors alarmists could take their money, because if they do not take it then it will collapse anyway!
    yes
    I don’t NEED such a Navy base and the jump airfield is also NOT NECESSARY and you have to earn money from a gas field, and not buy at unrealistic prices.
    TOTAL!
    If our losses are limited to what is, it will be good.
    something like this. hi
    ps But for the resignation of Mendel I would have paid more.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 21 March 2013 19: 43
      0
      In Cyprus, Russian money is 30-40 yards of euros.

      Not Russian. Private. You understand that restaurants and planes in the EU are bought for ethical money, and not Lada in Russia.

      Those. in order to save Cyprus and withdraw its 30-40 yards, Cyprus should be given approximately
      17 + 63 = 80 yards !!!!!


      Why bring 40 yards, and even give Cyprus 80 yards? We will give 5 yards in exchange for deposits, withdraw the money of large banks, and the rest as they can. Plus we’ll get lists of all contributors for further thoughtful study.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 21 March 2013 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Botanologist
        We will give 5 yards in exchange for deposits, withdraw money from large banks

        And what will Cyprus give the EU for 10 yards?
        And where will all these yards go once they unfreeze 26.03.13 accounts?
        Are you the smartest?

        This is a joke, but there is only a fraction of the joke. hi
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 21 March 2013 23: 50
          0
          And what will Cyprus give the EU for 10 yards?

          NOTHING. Cyprus is the EU hi

          And where will all these yards go once they unfreeze 26.03.13 accounts?

          Already like 01.04.2013. And get away - but at least where. When the lists are open, do not run far.
          I wrote Plus we’ll get lists of all contributors for further thoughtful study. If you are a politician or a governor, or a minister - well, where are you going to get to? They will call, ask, and you will return everything yourself, and you will cry with happiness that you took it.
  • angolaforever
    angolaforever 21 March 2013 15: 14
    +2
    I just can’t understand, does anyone have the right to do so? Suppose I worked for 20 years, saved up money all my life and put 200,000 euros in the bank. And then they just take 10% from me? Why is it that I should give my hard earned money for the mistakes of the government or parliament, and I don’t care who. And can’t I then sue the bank to compensate for my losses if such a selection of money was not prescribed in the contract? I'm talking about ordinary wealthy people, not oligarchs. Can someone explain the system of this and the legal component? So you can come and take the floor of the house, the difference is not big, and this and that is private property. Or maybe I saved up for the operation.
    Once again, I am convinced that it is necessary to keep the savings in gold in a safe place.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 21 March 2013 15: 19
      +3
      Quote: angolaforever
      I just can’t understand, does anyone have the right to do so?

      If you put money in a bank, then you already have it NO!
      All this crap is designed for the fact that sooner or later it will be extreme!
      One version of the headstock is in gold, gold is in the pot, the pot is deeper under the fence in the yard. ALL!
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 21 March 2013 21: 45
      +1
      Houses are already being taken. When you need to spend the road there, etc.
  • polly
    polly 21 March 2013 15: 17
    +4
    An unprecedented delegation of the European Union arrives in Moscow - 16 European Commissioners, led by European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, Kommersant reports.
    The telegraphist recalls that, contrary to the will of Angela Merkel, the Cyprus Finance Minister arrived in Moscow to agree on a mutually beneficial deal - Russia's granting a loan to Cyprus in exchange for a certain percentage of the gas field’s shares. But Russian President Vladimir Putin did not personally meet with any ambassador there, deciding to take time and a little bit “tense” the situation and make the whole European Union nervous (Vladimir Putin personally oversees strategic issues in Gazprom - ed.), Thus making it clear that a few percent of shares and partial access to the shelf are not enough for Russia, and if Cyprus wants to receive a loan that they need, it must fully comply with the will and conditions of the President of the Russian Federation - control of the gas shelf, which means a complete loss of Cyprus sovereignty and the transfer of the entire island ( together with banks) to Russian jurisdiction, in connection with which the entire proud establishment of the Eurozone bought tickets to Moscow and in a panic rushed to bow to the Russian president to correct the “jamb” created by them.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 18: 52
      -1
      Quote: polly
      16 European Commissioners

      Baku or what? )))
      Quote: polly
      Telegraphist reminds

      Smolny listens)))
      Quote: polly
      transfer of the entire island (along with banks) to Russian jurisdiction

      Quote: polly
      in a panic rushed to bow to the Russian president

      yes
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 21 March 2013 15: 34
    +4
    If Cyprus will agree with Moscow on a loan, then only bargain for information about the size and owners of stash in the local banks. And then - to whom what was required: to whom interest-free credit, to whom to change the numbers and places of bank cells ..
  • akendram
    akendram 21 March 2013 16: 47
    +2
    I don’t understand at all. what the Russian state-owned companies forgot in offshore. And it’s not very clear that Putin and Medvedev have foamed like that. They want to punish those who launder or underpay money in our treasury. If I am not right, justify.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 21 March 2013 17: 31
      +2
      Quote: akendram
      If I'm wrong, justify.

      Read ALL comments from the beginning!
  • Atlon
    Atlon 21 March 2013 17: 01
    0
    Quote: Kaa
    the Chinese economy will either get kirdyk, or they will redirect these flows, receiving dollars, not euros, for them ..

    What does "redirect" mean? belay I bought Evroprop 100500 Chinese markers, and now I won’t buy it ... And the Chinese, too, will redirect the markers to the USA ?! And in the USA, right away they’ll immediately buy 100500 Chinese felt-tip pens ???
  • Zeus
    Zeus 21 March 2013 18: 04
    0
    Cyprus abandoned the idea of ​​introducing a tax. Everything, you can diverge))))))))))

    But DAM suggested creating offshore zones in the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin)))
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 18: 54
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      Quote: Zeus
      Cyprus abandoned the idea of ​​introducing tax

      but until 26 all accounts are frozen .. see behind closed doors agreed with the Kremlin ..
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 21 March 2013 21: 31
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      Like a little moody boy. He grabs everything, doesn’t bring anything to the end. Recall Monaco in the Rostov region and Los Angeles, on the border with China.
  • mashinist
    mashinist 21 March 2013 19: 44
    +1
    Correctly it is necessary for the Russian Federation to increase its influence
  • Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy 21 March 2013 20: 24
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    Germany-blonde is driving the Cypriot economy, which is rolling along the narrow-gauge railway being laid by Russia.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 21 March 2013 21: 10
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    Again at the expense of you and I will be saved by Cyprus and our moneybags, the problems of Russia and the people are higher than the roof, and they, rescuers .... am .