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You can start to be proud. What is our fleet doing off the coast of Syria, Africa, then everywhere

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The combat services of our ships continue fleet in the Mediterranean Sea. The detachment, consisting of the Yaroslav the Wise patrol ship and two large landing ships Kaliningrad and Alexander Shabalin, continues the campaign according to the schedule of business visits: having replenished supplies at the port of Beirut, they went to Syrian Tartus.


Following the visit, the former Brigadier General of the Lebanese Army Amin Hotei expressed the opinion that "the Russians can make Lebanon their new strategic base in the region." Noting that Russian ships usually go to the Syrian port, bypassing Lebanon, he suggested that this was somehow connected with the "tense situation in Syria." However, now the situation in Syria is much calmer than during some other visits. The complexity of the situation did not prevent our ships from making friendly visits, whose schedule is very tight. It does not hurt now. As for our military base in Lebanon (purely hypothetical), such a solution would not be ideal. We need to try to unite around us all the forces interested in the stability of the region, and not to create potentially conflict situations around our military presence. And the base in Lebanon will certainly annoy Israel, although objectively, both we and Israel are interested in maintaining stability. However, no one can forbid the Lebanese to dream.

At the same time, another detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet headed for the Gulf of Aden. These are the Fearless patrol ship, the Yevgeny Khorov sea-going tug and the Yelnya tanker. "Fearless" goes to the Horn of Africa for the third time, and news can hardly be called sensational. In general, the combat services of our fleet off the coast of Africa have not ceased for several years, and detachments of different fleets replace each other. It must be said that African pirates have become an excellent opportunity for crews to learn and work out combat missions far from their native shores. But this, so to speak, is a neutral reason for long-distance hikes for educational purposes and for the purpose of being present in an important area of ​​the world’s ocean under a specious excuse. The “pirates” campaigns are even better than the “friendly visits” - in them, as if there is absolutely nothing “personal”.

But besides this, more frank statements, which are preparing the world community for the emergence of the forces of our fleet far from their native shores, are beginning to appear lately. Most recently, Navy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Chirkov reaffirmed plans to recreate the grouping of ships in the Mediterranean, which will operate on a permanent basis. According to him, it can consist of five to six ships, ships of the first rank (cruisers and frigates) should form its basis, in addition, support ships will be included in it, and management should be carried out through the command of the Black Sea Fleet. In addition, the commander said the following:

"AT stories The Soviet Navy had experience when we had squadrons in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Of course, if necessary, we will offer the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the government, the president there to also create operational connections on an ongoing basis. ”

What's new about it? After all, the forces of the fleet are always present in the Mediterranean Sea, and sometimes even in larger composition. Constantly ships serve in the western part of the Indian Ocean. Maybe all this, as one journalist said: “exclusively for internal use? Say, look: Russia rises from its knees ... ”?

Yes, it is. Yes, it serves. Only for this, it is necessary to invent some kind of excuse, like exercises, “purely by chance” coinciding with the activity zone of our “potential partners”, the hunt for pirates, or the rich schedule of friendly visits. It’s as if we apologize for having our own interests outside our territory. Like, do not think that we are here with some goals of our own - so, by chance we passed. Such an excusable tone forms the corresponding attitude to our actions: “since they didn’t mean anything like that - why should they be serious”?

Probably, it comes time to get rid of the guilt complex for their own existence. This is important, not so much for a successful foreign policy, as for the self-awareness of its own citizens. Alas, many of our fellow citizens need time to get used to the idea that they do not live in a third-rate country - but in the country. Yes, our country has recently experienced one of its largest disasters, although it is far from the first. But she is recovering from her and is returning to her historical path. And this way is not “third-rate”, and it does not require citizens of “third-rate”. And they need to bring up.

We have already grown for two generations without pride in our country. Yes, the older generation is trying to instill this pride with examples from the past. But the past is not enough. Need to be proud now. After all, it is precisely from the feeling of belonging to something non-rowy, high that a person has high aspirations and self-esteem. Without this, it is possible to fight corruption and moral decay as much as you want - only there will be no result. A citizen who considers his country "third-rate" will behave like a "third-rate" person. He will not be ashamed, neither for meanness, nor for lying, nor for treason, nor for theft and embezzlement. Where does it come from, if "everything is with us ..."?

Do you think I moved from the naval news to loud phrases? Then read how the latest fleet development plans are commented: “It is unlikely that Russia will have squadrons on an ongoing basis in the ocean zone”; "Where to get the ships for the new 5 squadron?"; “Shoigu ordered to give ends. Our fleet is commanded to proceed to permanent combat service in the Mediterranean Sea ... "And then in the same vein with the unchanged conclusion that everything is fiction and nothing will come of it. For several years now we have been walking to the Horn of Africa, and for almost a year, how are we constantly in the Mediterranean Sea - what will come of it? At the click of your fingers to build a "great armada"? True - it will not work. Back thirty years ago? Even less likely. You can either build a fleet and study at sea, or rant about how awful everything is. To each his own.

One friend who remembers the Soviet Navy teachings (I, alas, remember very different times), argued with foaming at the mouth that all current teachings are fiction and a waste of time and material resources. I advised him to go to those who envy white envy — who are getting off the ramp ashore today and try to prove to them how insignificant their trip was ... with a high probability of serious harm to their health. Why is the probability high? Yes, because no one will trample his pride and his dignity, even if a trampler also has something to be proud of.

It is clear that now the capabilities of the fleet are far from fantastic dreams. It is clear that there are questions about the pace of fleet construction - what if it could be faster? It is clear that there are questions for combat training - all of a sudden, is it possible without wear and tear on the equipment resource, on any simulators? It is clear that I want everything at once. But the fleet is being built, and the crews are learning. And if we stop watering ourselves with mud, then the fleet will be far from being “third-rate”, and crews worthy of the glory of their ancestors.

Our fleet has always been the glory and pride of Russia. And the new Russian fleet is being built, as always - by the ocean, and not by the coastal customs. We need it not only for security - even the Republic of Guinea has such a “safe fleet”. It is needed, based on the fact that Russia is a world power. This has always been, and will remain so.

What, already weaned? It does not matter, it's time to get used and learn to be proud of your country.
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  1. Igor
    Igor 21 March 2013 07: 59 New
    66
    Good article, right!
    I'm proud of my country! yes
    1. KuigoroZHIK
      KuigoroZHIK 21 March 2013 08: 07 New
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      Quote: Igor
      I'm proud of my country


      His HOMELAND, family and their affairs.
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        Khokhol-MSC 21 March 2013 17: 36 New
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        I apologize, someone will probably consider it as spam, but I ask everyone to express pride just to familiarize themselves with the material. Without emotion: http://haile-rastafari.livejournal.com/81037.html
        1. Khokhol-MSC
          Khokhol-MSC 21 March 2013 18: 03 New
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          Supplemented.
          http://vk.com/video43908334_164649892?list=77126ec79c96e3520b
          My apologies.
          1. KuigoroZHIK
            KuigoroZHIK 21 March 2013 19: 45 New
            +3
            "Comrade" Khokhol-MSC do not spread outright misinformation. For some reason, the media covers the story only from ONE side - the side of Alexandra Lotkova. More or less balanced, the story is published here:
            http://vz.ru/society/2013/3/21/625283.html

            Here, at least, both sides are considered. And, by the way, they reveal the fact that our media is replacing the victim and the aggressor (the video on which the lying guy is beaten), as well as frankly LIE:
            one of the "guests of the capital," by the name of Ibrahim Kurbanov, inflicted three stab wounds to one of Alexandra's friends.
            - where is the examination of the wounds? Why was the examination of these "knife wounds" carried out only after 2 MONTHS?
            1. Khokhol-MSC
              Khokhol-MSC 21 March 2013 20: 59 New
              +4
              I apologize again.
              I posted the first link, because after a basic search, the version seems to be confirmed.
              The second link - a refutation of mine, it turns out desa.
              Once again my apologies for the not thought out post.
              1. KuigoroZHIK
                KuigoroZHIK 21 March 2013 23: 21 New
                +4
                drinks this message earned my respect!
                He was wrong - he apologized, they forgot. Good luck!
        2. ded_73
          ded_73 21 March 2013 18: 05 New
          -4
          Fuck, but it's not real!? !!!
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            Khokhol-MSC 21 March 2013 20: 59 New
            +1
            I apologize again.
            I posted the first link, because after a basic search, the version seems to be confirmed.
            The second link - a refutation of mine, it turns out desa.
            Once again my apologies for the not thought out post.
        3. Oleg Rosskiyy
          Oleg Rosskiyy 21 March 2013 20: 07 New
          +3
          A self-respecting person will not believe in all kinds of links, all the more watering his country, and therefore his own waste. It’s probably meaningful to get into the trash and fall out in the garbage there - the result will be the same, both mentally and physically. Therefore, I wish it’s less for you to climb such “places”, at least out of respect for yourself.
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            Khokhol-MSC 21 March 2013 21: 00 New
            +3
            I apologize again.
            The link was sent by a respected person.
            I posted the first link, because after a basic search, the version seems to be confirmed.
            The second link - a refutation of mine, it turns out desa.
            Once again my apologies for the not thought out post.
      2. Su24
        Su24 27 March 2013 16: 59 New
        -1
        A citizen who considers his country to be "third-rate" will behave as a "third-rate" person. He will not be ashamed, neither for meanness, nor for lies, nor for betrayal, nor for theft and embezzlement. Where does this come from if "everything is with us ..."?


        Great words. Look at how the personal feeling and the feeling of the Fatherland are welded together for a person.
    2. queen
      queen 21 March 2013 08: 21 New
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      You may not love the state, but you must
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 21 March 2013 09: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: regin
        You can not love the state

        I know what this hint is for, and you know if you wrote it. It’s just that on this site you were embarrassed to write your thoughts to the end, because I’m 100% sure of your thoughts and surnames which you would mention. Well, don’t worry, there are others sites, there you can heartily pour our government with slops.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 21 March 2013 10: 07 New
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          Quote: djon3volta
          you can heartily pour our government with slops.

          Sorry, Zhenya. Question .... Are they untouchable?
          They are, by and large, national servants, do not work for themselves, for the country. And the country is us.
          Any person has the right to ask and must answer. hi
          1. queen
            queen 21 March 2013 10: 49 New
            +8
            The problem is that if you specifically engage in corruption and start returning everything stolen, their heads will fly literally, let them not do it, there are normal kickbacks. There are no honest ones in politics.
          2. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 21 March 2013 10: 55 New
            +6
            I really want to wait for officials from the Russian and USSR governments to be responsible for their "deeds", which led all industries to decline, people lose one after another the social obligations of the state to the people, I really want to hope ... And of course I’m glad that at least For some time, something has been done to protect the state from external enemies, and again people have something to be proud of for Russia!
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 21 March 2013 19: 43 New
              +4
              ia-ai00

              It is necessary that the industry develops, trading I think the tenth thing.
            2. bagel
              bagel 21 March 2013 23: 35 New
              +1
              "I really want to wait for officials from the government of the Russian and USSR to answer for their "deeds", which led all industries to decline, people lose one after another the social obligations of the state to the people, I really want to hope ... "

              It is useless to write this, how many times have I read and seen similar texts and this opinion ... There are no self-collected tablecloths, I need to cook the food myself ...
          3. akendram
            akendram 21 March 2013 16: 27 New
            0
            Any person has the right to ask and must answer; THIS IS ALL IN THEORY
          4. akendram
            akendram 21 March 2013 16: 29 New
            +2
            at the conference, Putin is asked one thing, and he answers on a completely different topic, as in the order of things. And everywhere like that.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 21 March 2013 18: 07 New
              +4
              Quote: akendram
              at the conference, Putin is asked one thing, and he answers on a completely different topic, as in the order of things. And everywhere like that.

              This is because he sometimes has nothing to answer.
              And theory should become a practice.
              The direct question is the direct answer, honesty and honor are the words of the same root. For such a leader it is possible to embrasure. hi
              But not for the present.
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 21 March 2013 10: 26 New
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          And they do not need to be voiced, the liquidationists are visible in deeds !!! Who RUSSIA hates can be seen right away, so that they are in sight !!! Question ?! How much will we endure?
          1. queen
            queen 21 March 2013 11: 09 New
            +3
            Do you ask us this question? I think everyone should ask it for himself.
        3. queen
          queen 21 March 2013 10: 45 New
          +5
          Quote: djon3volta
          I am 100% sure of your thoughts and surnames which you would mention

          This is a big list. And the fish goes dead. There are still puppeteers behind the scenes.
        4. gispanec
          gispanec 21 March 2013 22: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: djon3volta
          there are other sites, there you can heartily pour our government with slops.

          ??? ... why others? .... it’s better to unwind IN ..... well, in terms of garlic, your comment looks very stupid .... drawn to grade 9 of high school
        5. Letun
          Letun 22 March 2013 16: 00 New
          0
          Quote: djon3volta
          don’t worry, there are other sites, there you can heartily pour our government with slops.

          Oh! Is there really such a fiend who can water these holy people with slop, day and night caring for the prosperity of our power and the common people living in it ?! Just unbelieveble!
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 21 March 2013 10: 22 New
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        Quote: regin

        You may not love the state, but you must

        And I would say a little differently.
        You may not love the state, but the Fleet is obliged!

        Quote: djon3volta
        I know why this hint

        Well, what are you so worried about our senior managers, they are doing well, think about the fate of the people for days!
        Yes, and the theme is marine, here's a present from me.

        I dream at night the vastness of the seas
        Salt spray and waves at sunset
        I'm the glorious sailor of my navy
        On the new handsome frigate!

        And the cry of white gulls farewell
        How the music rushes in the heart
        Longing will crush my soul
        When my body wakes up!
      3. Rink
        Rink 21 March 2013 12: 03 New
        +9
        Quote: regin
        You may not love the state, but you must

        Gold words! Sorry, I can not put more than one plus! ...

        Even if you are the most vicious opposition to the current government, but to sell your Motherland to its obvious external enemies, only the last corrupt creature can deserve no condescension.
        With such you need the laws of war.
        1. queen
          queen 21 March 2013 12: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Skating rink
          the last selling thing that deserves no leniency.

          Therefore, the gap between the rich and the poor is huge, they do not need the middle class. They live on another planet, but so close.
      4. Sandov
        Sandov 21 March 2013 19: 40 New
        +7
        Alas, many of our fellow citizens need time to get used to the idea that they do not live in a third-rate country, but in a state. Yes, our country has recently experienced one of its largest disasters, although by no means the first.

        It's no secret who they were all organized by the West. Strong Russia is like a red rag for a bull.
      5. gispanec
        gispanec 21 March 2013 22: 14 New
        0
        Quote: regin
        You may not love the state, but you must


        and I would say this: I HATE the state, and I LOVE my Motherland !! ... by the way, like all of you, the state also hates me .... right? ... aye pensioners .... young children, utilities, fuel and +++ .....
      6. Su24
        Su24 27 March 2013 16: 57 New
        -1
        But do not drive a wedge between the state and the homeland.
    3. alexng
      alexng 21 March 2013 08: 50 New
      22
      And I was always proud of Russia, even in difficult times for it. And now I'm proud of her. soldier
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 21 March 2013 10: 57 New
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        Quote: alexneg
        And I was always proud of Russia

        Russia is not an abstract concept, Russia is people, we are all.
        I am proud of the boys who fought in Chechnya, but I am not proud of Yeltsin and Berezovsky.
        I am proud of the nurse in the district clinic with a pay of 5000 rubles, and for nothing you will not make me proud of the slander Golikova (Madame Arbidol),
        I am proud of my neighbor, who became disabled at work and receives 6000 pensions, but not by those who created this hateful system.
        I am proud of the soldiers and officers of our army, but I can not be proud of Serdyukov and his ilk. hi
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 14 New
          +2
          Russia is people, we are all.
          - I completely agree!
          who created this misanthropic system.
          - what kind of system? who created? or all the same, Russia is all of us?
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 21 March 2013 18: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: bddrus
            - what kind of system?

            The system of capitalist economic relations, liberal values, theft and nepotism.
      2. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 21 March 2013 21: 55 New
        +6
        I was always proud too ...
        around the year 94, it occurred to me (still a schoolgirl) that I live in a Great Country and that I have something to be proud of ...
    4. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 21 March 2013 09: 53 New
      +3
      and our trains are the most train trains in the world! Hooray!
    5. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 21 March 2013 10: 21 New
      +5
      And I never doubted !!! We in the 90s would give any lovers a turnaround! I never doubted it, and now even more so !!!
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 21 March 2013 12: 55 New
        +5
        Homeland is all of us, our children, our land and our glorious history ............ so, guys, we will not quarrel either on the site or on the road while driving
    6. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine 21 March 2013 16: 14 New
      +3
      drinks
      Quote: Igor
      I'm proud of my country!


      Well, what can I say - this is the best answer to all kinds of alarmists, tantrums, gorlopans, liberals and other evil spirits.

      Igor! PLUS YOU. !!! Short and clear.
    7. Quiet
      Quiet 22 March 2013 18: 14 New
      +1
      I'm proud of my country!

      And with its fleet Russia-USSR-Russia has always been proud !!!!!!!! soldier
      Such naval commanders who were not anywhere in Russia !!!! People fought "not sparing their stomach" ETERNAL MEMORY OF HEROES !!!!! hi
  2. ATATA
    ATATA 21 March 2013 08: 10 New
    +2
    Yes, I'm starting to be proud of the same!
    “Let’s do this: if 100 years pass and there will be some problems, then, probably, something was wrong in these years,” the head of the cabinet expressed his opinion. "

    Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev He said on March 20 that funds from Russian state structures are stored in accounts in Cypriot banks. According to the head of government, this circumstance explains Moscow’s extreme concern about the crisis in Nicosia.

    "We have a large number of open public structures working through Cyprus, they have now blocked money for unknown reasons, because the source of this money is obvious, this money has been presented everywhere. These are government agencies," Medvedev said in an interview with European media.

    You can start to be proud.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 09: 52 New
      -10
      just write - I envy that they have millions and billions, but I don’t. Therefore, I will envy and expose scammers with envy.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 21 March 2013 10: 06 New
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        Quote: djon3volta

        just write - I envy that they have millions and billions, but I don’t. Therefore, I will envy and expose scammers with envy.

        No, I will write differently.
        On their own people are not judged.

        This is the answer to your post.
        And I’ll add that I’m sick of reading about pride for boats floating somewhere, when the people of Russia c3,14 spent € 30, and they pour sweetness in our ears and hang noodles about pride on our ears when you can build on that money 000 dvushka. And to settle there 000 Russian families with children. We are talking about the genocide of my people, bandits and thieves who usurped power in my homeland, which was called the USSR. And when the money of state structures is offshore, this is theft! And everything else is demagogy! And I don’t have to pour sweetness in my ears!
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 21 March 2013 10: 27 New
          -16
          Quote: ATATA
          It's about the genocide of my people, bandits and thieves who usurped power in my homeland

          then I suggest you go out with such a poster laughing
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 March 2013 10: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: djon3volta
            then I suggest you go out with such a poster

            I myself know what to do.
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 21 March 2013 10: 32 New
          +1
          We are talking about the motherland, and not about the liquidated Zionists! There is a difference?
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 March 2013 10: 37 New
            0
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

            We are talking about the motherland, and not about the liquidationists! There is a difference?

            But didn’t they tear my motherland to pieces, and now they mock at the fragments?
            1. SASCHAmIXEEW
              SASCHAmIXEEW 21 March 2013 11: 11 New
              0
              We are talking about love for RUSSIA, and not about the liquidationist parhats!
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 21 March 2013 11: 20 New
                +6
                Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
                We are talking about love for RUSSIA, and not about the liquidationist parhats!

                You do not need to say these high words so often, otherwise they will lose the price.
                Mom is just loved!
                And to love it does not mean to praise without measure, when they scold it, they love the same thing, they just curse it from resentment and want it to become better!
        3. Heccrbq
          Heccrbq 21 March 2013 11: 40 New
          0
          ATATA, what you are talking about is called manipulation of consciousness, comrade professor Sergey Kara-Murza writes about this very clearly and with examples in the book of the same name. Brain clogging comes from everywhere the media, zomboyaschik, the Internet (this website, with its virtual epaulets and sharpened by a certain by moderators as a vivid example), but I am glad that there are people like you here too and you are not alone here!
        4. Xunta
          Xunta 21 March 2013 11: 51 New
          +2
          I’ll tell you what ... YOU personally you are - “Do what you must and be what happens”, and if everyone will CARE for the MOTHERLAND and do their job in their place, I think everything will be fine. :)
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 21 March 2013 22: 11 New
        0
        Quote: djon3volta
        write simply - I envy that they have millions and billions, but I don’t. therefore I will make hints with envy


        answer easier .... I was at the bowl in the 90s and managed to take it, but you sit and don’t bother .... or I’ll tan the mustache
    2. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 21 March 2013 12: 29 New
      0
      so it is understandable: our financial system is still under the control of the bourgeoisie. it is no coincidence that the state’s money ended up in Cyprus and has now blocked the bourgeoisie, what an unexpected coincidence. and Nabiulina was appointed the new head of the Bank of Russia. Really the man of the president and the bourgeoisie shook their knees from the realization of this, and here you are, you have to fuck up harmful naughty Russians.
  3. StrateG
    StrateG 21 March 2013 08: 21 New
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    I believe that I will live to see the times when Russia, as once the USSR, will become a great world superpower. May it not be now, may it not be in 2020, but I will survive. Russia was ordered to live long. You just have to believe in it)
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 21 March 2013 10: 50 New
      +6
      You x ... th strategist if you do not see that RUSSIA was dying and did not think, and generally do not dare to talk about the homeland !!! About the country of Gardarik, did Akraim hear anything? So: RUSSIA HAS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE !!! Until the end of centuries !!! Amen!!! And EVERYONE in the west, south east DO NOT WAIT !!!!!
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 21 March 2013 08: 24 New
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    Let’s still argue sensibly.
    "Then read how the latest plans for the development of the fleet are commented on:" It is unlikely that Russia will have squadrons on a permanent basis in the ocean zone ";" Where to get ships for the new 5th squadron? ";" Shoigu ordered to give up. Our fleet was ordered to proceed to permanent military service in the Mediterranean "..."

    These comments are from people who at least saw a warship at sea and at least a little represent the maritime service. Are they wrong? Let's leave the pink snot and inappropriate in this case talk of patriotism. In these comments, anxiety and hope for the best, a hint of a problem. It is necessary to build ships of the far sea zone.

    "For several years we have been going to the Horn of Africa, and for almost a year, how constantly in the Mediterranean Sea - what will not work out?"

    We walk, but look at the composition of the ships, all faces are familiar. I am more than sure that the crew is also gathering in the base from the world on a string, smart navigators, warheads-4, warheads-6. Someone directly involved in these trips, refute me.
    For all that, it’s hard to blame me for unpatriotism or to convict me of the psychology of a “third-rate person”, no matter what I am proud of my country. But there is a problem, we must roll up our sleeves and work.

    "And if we stop spraying ourselves with mud, then the fleet will not be" third-rate "at all, and the crews worthy of the glory of their ancestors."

    Talking about their shortcomings is the destiny of a strong person and the state, and hatred or baseless euphoria has never brought anyone to good.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 21 March 2013 08: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Talking about your shortcomings is the lot of a strong person and state

      True, you can only talk about the shortcomings, not forgetting to mention the ADVANTAGES! Moreover, there are much more advantages! Then there will be a normal "development and education."
      "THE FLEET TO BE!" (Peter 1)
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 March 2013 08: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        True, you can only talk about the shortcomings, not forgetting to mention the ADVANTAGES! Moreover, there are much more advantages! Then there will be a normal "development and education."

        Of course, I agree to educate the younger generation, but here we are adults and we can discuss problems.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 21 March 2013 09: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      We walk, but look at the composition of the ships, all faces are familiar.

      I’ll support you in this matter, Eugene. Together with pride, anxiety. Sometimes it seems that other ships simply won’t reach, they took the most running and drove.
      Quote: Vladimirets
      hatred or baseless euphoria never brought anyone to good.

      Shouting “Hurray” is better when taking Berlin than on a march.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 March 2013 09: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        Sometimes it seems that other ships simply won’t reach, they took the very best and drove.

        I, as a little knowledge of maritime service, have almost confidence, unfortunately. recourse
    3. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 10: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      hatred or baseless euphoria never brought anyone to good.

      you know my dear man, I’d rather be engaged in capricious activity, it’s at least adrenaline and spirit boosts in a person. but beautiful and convincing posts to write in the style of “everything is lost, we are finished, etc.” and interestingly, such defeatist posts are more popular, just because they are “clearly” written, I’m not going to hold them and think about them, I know what this leads to and why their people write, I know I know!
      I will tell you so, you can have 1 penny and manage it wisely, but you can have 1 ruble (100 kopecks) and sell it, it’s wrong to use it and will eventually go bankrupt.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 March 2013 10: 20 New
        0
        Quote: djon3volta
        I'd rather be engaged in cap hobbying

        This is to each his own.
        Quote: djon3volta
        but beautiful and compelling posts to write in the style of "everything is lost, we are done, etc." and what’s interesting is such defeatist posts

        The most important thing is not to write posts, but to be able to read strangers. wink
        Quote: djon3volta
        I’m not going to think about them

        In vain, the ability to think abstractly distinguishes man from animals.
        Quote: djon3volta
        why do their people write, I know, I know!

        I think that still no.
        Quote: djon3volta
        I will tell you so, you can have 1 penny and manage it wisely, but you can have 1 ruble (100 kopecks) and sell it, it’s wrong to use it and will eventually go bankrupt.

        A good example, but he probably isn’t from this comment? wink
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 21 March 2013 10: 40 New
          -4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          I think that still no.

          you think - and I know. That's what makes me different from you.
          I have a feeling that this is not a site, but the Ministry of Defense, and then all the officers from the Moscow Region gathered and discuss plans for the further actions of the fleet.
          you calm down (oh, you’re calm? well then), no matter how much shipment we have, 1 or 100000000, we passed the dangerous point already in 1991, if we survived then and nobody attacked Russia and Moscow was not bombed Now they started to worry, and do not let the panic subside?
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 21 March 2013 10: 46 New
            -2
            Quote: djon3volta
            you think - and I know. That's what makes me different from you.

            My dear, we didn’t drink vodka at the Brudershaft, please be kind enough to contact strangers on you. Is coming? Are you out of medication?
    4. bddrus
      bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 18 New
      +2
      the main thing is not to confuse "talk about flaws" and "pour mud"
    5. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 21 March 2013 14: 56 New
      +3
      Soon there will be even less familiar faces. “Moscow”, after a recent campaign in the Middle East, was supposed to go to Cuba, but the campaign was canceled and in the spring should go into repair with the Black Sea Fleet, it seems, to the North. The question is whether to return to the Black Sea Fleet after the repair.
    6. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 21 March 2013 20: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Talking about your shortcomings is the lot of a strong person and state,

      We can say that, only then all this would not have turned into an inferiority complex of the same person or state. There should be a measure with which we have, unfortunately, some problems recently.
    7. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 22 March 2013 19: 03 New
      0
      If we talk about the shortcomings, then he is alone! We do not go to the polls and choose the wrong people in power! We are going on promises, but we need to appreciate the deeds, and not the money, what is in his moshna! Maybe he is a treasurer and a bribe taker, but he can speak and promise a master! Look who our oligarchs are, solid Zionists! The company-factories that were built by our fathers and grandfather are registered in offshores, accounts over the hill, taxes there, families live there! And they are in our power! So draw conclusions! Do they need RUSSIA or not! RUSSIA for them feeding trough, and they do not care about us !!!!!!
  5. duchy
    duchy 21 March 2013 08: 24 New
    +4
    Article +. The urge to be proud of one’s homeland, to a real younger generation, is commendable. If the state would pay more attention to this and propagandize the achievements and life of our Armed Forces day and night, then generations would know and be proud of the achievements of their country. The media “drive” various foreign crap, often simply anti-Russian. Where is ours request ? It's a shame for the power.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 21 March 2013 11: 06 New
      +8
      Quote: duche
      The media “drive” various foreign crap, often simply anti-Russian. Where is ours? It's a shame for the power.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 March 2013 11: 57 New
        +6
        In this demotivator, I would write the second sentence like this: We prove that they underestimate us. smile
      2. artemiy
        artemiy 21 March 2013 19: 48 New
        0
        And here is our http://www.youtube.com/feed/UCFU30dGHNhZ-hkh0R10LhLw enough to be ashamed already !!!
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco 21 March 2013 08: 25 New
    0
    Finally, at least someone said something. And then I already thought that for a long time we would apologize for the fact that we are so Strong)))) There is something to be proud of, and history obliges us, in this case, which causes pride and respect for sailors
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 21 March 2013 08: 26 New
      +1
      Finally, at least someone said something. And then I already thought that we would apologize for a long time for the fact that we are so Strong)))) There is something to be proud of, and history obliges us, in this case, which causes pride and respect for the sailors [media = http: // www. youtube.com/watch?v=_dl_WNdiShs]
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 21 March 2013 09: 07 New
        +1
        Here's another video from the US ship. [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = N4jQhnXrWbg]
  7. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 21 March 2013 08: 40 New
    +2
    NATO and the United States no longer conceal their intentions to start military operations against Syria, what will the Russian fleet do off its coast? with its strength and armament, it will most likely observe, but will surely leave
    1. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 21 March 2013 09: 17 New
      +1
      Not for that they came to leave ... This is the thinking of a third-rate person in a third-rate country - "but we are not bothering you here, can we leave?"
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 21 March 2013 11: 08 New
        0
        Are you confident in yourself or in our government? I just expressed my point of view, I would not like of course, but if it happens then we'll see who was right.
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 21 March 2013 10: 42 New
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      do not hide their intentions to start hostilities

      Vladimir.
      They have not hidden their intentions regarding Syria for 2 years.
      They wanted it cheaply and "politically correct, but it doesn’t work out."
      For expensive. they have no desire!
      How to cover your eyes and what pasta in the ears of the establishment to shove.
      Iran in the fall, some sources doomed to the beginning of large-scale hostilities. half a year later the II.i.i.i.i. cart was in place and the rhetoric changed its frantic op to "condemnation" and restrained assessments.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 21 March 2013 11: 11 New
        +1
        Hundreds of millions have already been invested in the military conflict in Syria, do you really think that someone will easily abandon what was conceived and spit on the money spent, I doubt however.
        Syrian economy is collapsed, tens of thousands of militants inside the country, if direct aggression begins, Syria will not be able to hold out for long
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 21 March 2013 11: 03 New
      +1
      “Good show off is more expensive than money” Who bluffs more? Who has stronger nerves !! In Pristen, the Saxons with the Yankees were blown away, but there really looked the barrel in the face! What now ? According to predictions, there will be a local nuclear conflict in this region, either the reactor will explode, or the bomb .... What awaits us ... ??
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 27 New
        0
        Who is in Pristina now? and then no one - neither ours nor the Amers were going to fight among themselves - if ours didn’t have time to take a place, they wouldn’t be able to get there - they wouldn’t beat off the airport from NATO like ours did. But there wasn’t enough political will, and they themselves didn’t know why we needed it, because among the former socialist countries there were no friends
    4. bddrus
      bddrus 21 March 2013 11: 23 New
      -2
      neither we nor the Americans will shoot at each other. therefore, the Americans can calmly begin to bomb Syria - the main thing for them is not to hook ours. because - rather agree with you
    5. Vasya Ivanov
      Vasya Ivanov 22 March 2013 07: 30 New
      0
      I agree with you. We will stand and watch because our policy is not interference. Afraid of our government with a fragile army to get involved in a big war, although we have long been aggressively provoked. Most likely we will actively stand up for the weak, but it will not be Syria.
  8. Tartary
    Tartary 21 March 2013 08: 41 New
    +2
    "What, are you already weaned? It doesn’t matter, it's time to get used to and learn to be proud of your country." - a catch phrase can become ...
  9. antikilller55
    antikilller55 21 March 2013 08: 42 New
    +1
    oh, it’s not casual. The Kremlin is raising the army and navy, not casual, someone’s probably waking up ....
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 21 March 2013 09: 03 New
      +2
      Of course not with a simple. Do not want to feed someone else's army, then feed yours. And then put in the ground, and without Vaseline))) I would not want such a development for myself and my children. Example. this is Iraq Libya, and they are trying to bend Syria.
  10. amp
    amp 21 March 2013 09: 15 New
    +1
    Yes, in recent years, the Russian fleet has intensified.
  11. loki565
    loki565 21 March 2013 10: 00 New
    0
    here is a video analysis

    [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = RYwPo-eweQA]
  12. newcomer
    newcomer 21 March 2013 10: 10 New
    +2
    when I served in the Northern Fleet, and it was a long time ago, every time during our exercises, somewhere on the horizon, in plain sight, a small reconnaissance vessel, the Mariatta, “grazed”, eavesdropped and spied on us and periodically flew their “Orion”. our once-mighty Navy now resembles this Mariatta. what is happening at the borders and inside the country - they try to “not see”, but the Andreev flag shows the African horn showing the great sea power - here we are the first. Uryaaaaaa ..... and the name of the former Libyan general speaks for itself.
  13. sichevik
    sichevik 21 March 2013 10: 11 New
    +2
    It is high time. It’s time for someone to recall the existence of the Russian Navy. It may not be as powerful as we would like, but this is only the beginning. I hope that in a very short time we will have a powerful, combat-ready fleet.
  14. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 21 March 2013 10: 20 New
    +1
    I am proud of the sailors. This is hard work on any ship, requiring enormous knowledge and skills that our sailors are now getting. Maybe the number of whiners will decrease. We must strive for the best.
  15. VadimSt
    VadimSt 21 March 2013 10: 28 New
    +4
    Probably the time has come to get rid of the guilt complex for our own existence. This is important not only for a successful foreign policy, but for the self-awareness of its own citizens. Alas, many of our fellow citizens need time to get used to the idea that they do not live in a third-rate country, but in a state.

    Even if the article consisted only of this phrase, I would give it a plus!
  16. Magadan
    Magadan 21 March 2013 11: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: djon3volta
    I will tell you so, you can have 1 penny and manage it wisely, but you can have 1 ruble (100 kopecks) and sell it, it’s wrong to use it and will eventually go bankrupt.

    Exactly. Do you even know that now one of the sites of Rusnano is being converted into a factory for reinforced concrete slabs? Get money invested.
    I also love my Motherland and, oddly enough, began to love it precisely in the 90s, and when I worked in the USA. I love our history and our people very much. But I do not like our bureaucrats. Our bureaucrats are not our people. There alone ... licks and mediocrity will climb, and there yes, using the current impunity without much intelligence, they simply take billions out of lawlessness. Each people has its own rot, and we have this rot just in the middle of civil servants gathered.
    So I agree with the author - Glory to our fleet, shame and death to traitors to bureaucrats.
    1. xan
      xan 21 March 2013 18: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      There alone .. liza and mediocrity crawl,

      others will not be allowed
  17. elmi
    elmi 21 March 2013 12: 12 New
    +3
    The main thing is that the demonstration of power is reinforced by political will, and not by a flashy screen, as it happened in tsarist times and lost in the war of Japan
  18. silver_roman
    silver_roman 21 March 2013 12: 44 New
    +7
    plus to the author.

    I sincerely believe that there is little optimism that is so necessary. for some reason, they are used to just stating a fact, for example, receiving 10 ships and taking it for granted. And no one thinks (or does not want) how difficult it is in the present conditions to do this, to restore its former greatness after the adversaries diligently "sawed" us for 15 years.

    I also wanted to add from myself to the formation of the squadron in the Mediterranean:
    at the moment, the situation in the banking sector, and consequently in the entire economy, has become seriously complicated on the island of Cyprus, which threatens with default. Cyprus asked for help from the Russian Federation and among several conditions for this assistance the idea was voiced of building a naval base. As for me, it would be just wonderful. Tartus - access to the Mediterranean Sea and then through the Suez Canal to the Red Sea, and there the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf.
    Estimated base in Cyprus:
    The whole Mediterranean Sea, access to the Atlantic, a couple of bases, say, near Casablanca (Marroco) and generally beauty. At the same time, the resorts there would have been opened for ours bully . And there, Cuba is not far and the exit under the soft abdomen of our "overseas friends" angry . May God also allow Venezuela to “turn our back” and beauty in general.
    So we hope and wait, comrades!
    ps do not judge harshly for such desperate optimism, dreaming is not harmful to anyone, and sometimes such dreams come true! crying
  19. wax
    wax 21 March 2013 12: 55 New
    +3
    The beginning of developed seafaring among our ancestors - the Eastern Slavs refers to VI-VII centuries. On their odnoderevki boats they made bold sea voyages along the Black and Mediterranean Seas. Sea trips became especially active after the formation of Kievan Rus. In 907, in the campaign of Prince Oleg to Byzantium, 2000 rooks with 80 thousand soldiers participated, according to the annals. Passing from the Dnieper along the Black Sea to the Bosphorus and besieging Constantinople, Oleg forced him to surrender and made peace in which the Greeks paid the victors a rich tribute.
  20. storm
    storm 21 March 2013 13: 06 New
    -1
    The ships of the Russian Navy due to the escalation of the armed conflict in Syria instead of the Syrian port of Tartus will go to the Lebanese port of Beirut to replenish supplies.
    This was reported to Interfax by a military-diplomatic source.

    According to these data, the sharp escalation of the armed conflict in Syria and speculation around the visit by Russian warships of Tartus, where the logistics point is located, force Russia to look for safer ports for their business calls.
  21. fenix57
    fenix57 21 March 2013 13: 50 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    NATO and the United States no longer conceal their intentions to start military operations against Syria, what will the Russian fleet do off its coast? with its strength and armament, it will most likely observe, but will surely leave

    And then it would be worth it all to start. Unlikely. hi
  22. ultra
    ultra 21 March 2013 15: 02 New
    0
    Question to the sailors! Why are tugboats almost always present in the groupings? hi
    1. Navy7981
      Navy7981 21 March 2013 16: 41 New
      +8
      A ship as part of a group of support vessels.
      Inevitable at sea by chance.
      Emergency - rescue service, so as not to engage a warship for this.
      He walked for 10 years! All is quiet and grace. The ocean, the islands of beauty is impossible, but for 11 years in the South Atlantic, at 88 in such a storm ... as I have not imposed I still can not imagine. The average boat is 6000 tons, "full speed ahead", on the main one - 100 - 102% of the power and 2 knots back. Between the waves - like in a pit, you climb to the crest, like on a high-speed elevator - you see, it seems the whole ocean, and again down - the deck from under your feet.
      1. ultra
        ultra 21 March 2013 16: 51 New
        0
        hi
        Quote: Navy7981
        Navy7981
    2. itkul
      itkul 21 March 2013 16: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: ultra
      Question to the sailors! Why are tugboats almost always present in the groupings?


      What do you think? I give a tip, remember Putin’s race on a viburnum fret, with several identical cars, although well-wishers said that this was done on purpose so that the villains could not determine which car our leader was driving in. But we are ordinary people who are familiar with you can’t fool VAZ
  23. Navy7981
    Navy7981 21 March 2013 16: 16 New
    +2
    The article is good and positive. Indeed, if you want to do something - do it, and do not talk about the impossibility of this.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 27 March 2013 03: 07 New
      +1
      In the Mediterranean, we need a squadron because the redivision of the world and the battle for resources is now going on there.
  24. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 21 March 2013 16: 52 New
    +6
    Article plus.
    Ships are built so that they go to sea, and not rust at the pier. For this we have an Aurora.
    To have a badge "For a long voyage" is the dream and pride of any military sailor, regardless of rank.
    The fleet will fully function only when following the chain "study-training-exercises-campaign".
  25. StrateG
    StrateG 21 March 2013 17: 03 New
    +2
    SASCHAmIXEEW: You x ... th strategist if you don’t see that RUSSIA was dying and didn’t think, and don’t dare to talk about your homeland like that !!! About the country of Gardarik, did Akraim hear anything? So: RUSSIA HAS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE !!! Until the end of centuries !!! Amen!!! And EVERYONE in the west, south east DO NOT WAIT !!!!!


    Your literacy alone allows you not to take you seriously. What can I say, about your answer ... now tell me, can you read?
  26. Asketxnumx
    Asketxnumx 21 March 2013 18: 19 New
    +3
    The author has many advantages! Well done! That's right: Moscow was not built right away. And here is not Moscow - here the Russian Fleet! But everything is solved. All that is needed is labor, determination, faith in our Victory and patience. Everything else is trifles.
  27. 30143
    30143 21 March 2013 19: 14 New
    0
    In the 80s, my father carried weapons all over Africa and the Middle East. There was a case when they called at a port in Angola, and a cruiser stood on a raid. So Unitovtsy stopped all hostilities, because the cruiser could carry everything within a radius of 20 km. And along the way always accompanied the sublite. And no one could approach this ship. Once someone took a chance, then there were full pants when the boat surfaced, albeit a diesel one.
  28. sinedanafin
    sinedanafin 21 March 2013 19: 17 New
    +5
    The author is handsome for maintaining patriotism! soldier
  29. Ulysses
    Ulysses 21 March 2013 19: 52 New
    +3
    Let's not forget one very important point.
    Each long trip is the acquisition of skills by young officers of the future fleet of Russia.
    Future ships need sensible experienced commanders with experience in campaigns, and not carrying a firewall. winked
  30. artemiy
    artemiy 21 March 2013 20: 00 New
    +2
    Author to the point! I support! Now you need to knead the bones from your knees!))
  31. patriot2
    patriot2 21 March 2013 20: 15 New
    0
    Finally, the new (Navy groupings in the oceans) - good notthe forgotten old. keep it up!, sailors! smile
  32. seafarer
    seafarer 21 March 2013 20: 51 New
    +3
    It is high time to remember how we went on long trips in the 70s - 80s. And restore everything. And now you go into one of the ports in the same Srezizemke - which flags (military) you don’t see enough: Spanish, Germans, Portuguese, Greeks, Turks, British .... But I have never seen our Andreevsky. Even in Tartus (Syria) - supposedly our base. And as you want!
    Last year, I once heard the Pin-dos-ov talks on VHF - we lost our squad of ships. Judging by the names - BOD and tanker. So glad for our sailors.

    But what about ships? Previously, every year from the Baltic and the Black Sea Fleet to the North and the Far East, 1-2 detachment "new buildings". Now what? Yes, and the ships of the 80s have not yet exhausted the modernization potential (the same pr.956), and they have already been sent in pursuit of the TAKR: plant-conservation -.... for needles?
  33. Nitup
    Nitup 21 March 2013 23: 02 New
    0
    I'm 24, personally, I never considered our country second-rate or third-rate
  34. Vladimir Barn
    Vladimir Barn 21 March 2013 23: 09 New
    +1
    I'm tired of reading not decent words of natural barking on another site!
    This article is very positive and reflects the reality on the Navy!
    I am glad not only to the article, I am glad to the publisher of the site itself!
    Nutrient commentators have calmed down a bit after denying funding to "dissenters" through funds with US money. However, the patriots of the Russian Federation should not dampen - They will find other ways of payment and will again be dirty (However, it is already more difficult)
  35. navy33
    navy33 21 March 2013 23: 42 New
    +1
    the article is very good, I immediately remembered how at 99m on our old RTMe we went to a BP near England. There were times! Our fleet, whatever its state, is still the most powerful fleet in the world !!!!!!!
  36. ixsus
    ixsus 22 March 2013 01: 11 New
    0
    ... it should be based on ships of the first rank (cruisers and frigates)

    Are frigates ships of the 1st rank?
    If wrong, please correct.

    And if possible, write how the ranks of the ships are related to their displacement, weapons?
  37. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 22 March 2013 10: 54 New
    +4
    In powerless malice, the RED COMMISSIONS put us on the "black list" ....
    Guys, the impression is that someone is coming out of bile ..

    I can only wish these "commissars" that they encounter the same story, not finding themselves in the payroll and receiving benefits ...
  38. Maple
    Maple 22 March 2013 11: 47 New
    0
    Thanks to the author Alexander Gorbenko for a good article!
  39. killganoff
    killganoff 22 March 2013 12: 43 New
    0
    Soon, domestic ships of the Akean zone will exhaust their resources and we will remain at the troughs in the form of corvettes and frigates ... in the 90s, the fleet was cherished for war, because they still remembered why it was needed, and now they are only busy with demonstration and window dressing.
  40. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 22 March 2013 15: 20 New
    0
    A cab would be there ... seven feet under the keel, guys ...
  41. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 22 March 2013 16: 35 New
    0
    The pilot must fly, and the Navy to hike across the seas and oceans. This is the maintenance of high combat readiness, for which the Army and Navy exist.
  42. ABV
    ABV 22 March 2013 17: 34 New
    0
    Why do our warships always go on a long voyage with a sea tug? it is not a collision and in no case not a malice.
    Explain to me who REALLY understands! Do Amers Go With Tugs Also? I just do not know...
  43. ABV
    ABV 22 March 2013 17: 35 New
    0
    Why do our warships always go on a long voyage with a sea tug? it is not a collision and in no case not a malice.
    Explain to me who REALLY understands! Do Amers Go With Tugs Also?

    I just don’t know ... but the FORUMAN OF THIS SITE IS INTERESTINGLY IMPORTANT
    1. Sanvl
      Sanvl 22 March 2013 20: 20 New
      0
      Tugboats are useful in small ports when a large ship cannot turn itself.
    2. Ulysses
      Ulysses 22 March 2013 23: 56 New
      +1
      Because when the liberals sawed off the legacy of the USSR, they forgot about the fleet for many years.
      While the recovering patient walks with a crutch.
      But he no longer lies at the mooring wall.
  44. Sanvl
    Sanvl 22 March 2013 20: 12 New
    -1
    Gentlemen, yes we do not have a presence in the conflict zone! What is a patrol boat belonging to the class "frigate" and other small ships? Designation of presence, no more. Waiting for cons and comments! Another rally of Saita to show Russia strong and great ... Most of the comments are touching. Do we have all sailors?
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 22 March 2013 23: 51 New
      0
      What do you think our BDKs have been shuttling for over a year in this zone?
  45. Ilya Katasonov
    Ilya Katasonov 22 March 2013 22: 30 New
    +1
    Excellent article!
  46. redwar6
    redwar6 26 March 2013 18: 16 New
    0
    Always proud of the Russian fleet. Thank you for the article. hi
  47. Lissyara
    Lissyara 26 March 2013 20: 01 New
    +1
    And I believe in our Navy!
    He will stand on the "turbine", and will become the strongest Fleet in the world, as in the days of the USSR.