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Who was the student, was he a soldier?

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Who was the student, was he a soldier?"Who was a student - he saw youth, who was a soldier - he saw life," said an army proverb from the time of my youth. I, according to this saying, was lucky twice: I saw both. Now, it seems, many current students will share my joy.


The Ministry of Defense is preparing to take students to the barracks - the details are not yet clear, but it is assumed that they will serve three times every three months. We are told that such was the initiative of some rectors, and that the students themselves news adopted almost with enthusiasm. It is hard to believe in it: even for the rector such a turn of events means the need to reduce training time and, consequently, the restructuring of the entire educational process: now the summer holidays are less than three months, and the children should be given some time to rest. Well, and so that the students themselves dreamed of treading the parade ground with kersey boots (or now their berets), this is really hard to believe.

Then, probably, they are very necessary in the army? Why and why right now?

Before trying to answer this question, I will tell you about my own experience. I served after the second year of a full two years, from spring 1987 to spring 1989. Then the students were called on without exception: there was a demographic hole, we are children of those born during the Second World War, but the number of armed forces did not decrease at all, especially with regard to Afghanistan. So I was lucky that they canceled the call of students exactly two weeks after my demobilization, in June 1989 of the year.

The students served on a general basis, although they tried to send them to the "technological" troops: as a result, I was trained for six months as a rocket launcher operator, we had many students in the training ... and sent for the remaining one and a half years to the regiment serifs and intelligence of nuclear explosions. So to say, taught to run, and sent to catch. In this regiment, I was listed in various positions, the last of them is a telegraph operator, it was she who was registered in my military card. If tomorrow is war, if tomorrow is a campaign, in theory I should be put behind the telegraph apparatus, although taking into account all the background, I would not be surprised at any other purpose.

My история was not an exception at all - almost no one in the regiment received training precisely on his technique, not only from among the soldiers and sergeants (among whom, again, was full of students), but even officers. I don’t really understand why, in the event of a full-fledged nuclear war, it was to detect nuclear explosions and who would then receive our data, but there is no doubt that we simply wouldn’t detect them or even really deploy our stations. We simply did not know how to use this equipment, and all combat activity was reduced to self-reliance (sweeping the ground and cleaning the potatoes) and eternal showing-off.

But how is it, because all these textbooks and schools existed, someone studied this particular technique - and then received assignments for rocket and tank parts? Yes exactly.

It’s all about the conscription system, which reflects, in fact, the reality of a century ago. Then it was like: 90% soldiers have the same military specialty, infantry infantryman, and in order to expose a multimillion army in the event of a big war, you need to let as many guys as possible through military service. Then, when the pipe calls, they, already trained to shake footcloths, to fire a rifle and go to bayonet, instantly take their place in the ranks. And they will be commanded by lieutenant second lieutenants, of the same mass stamping, equally interchangeable, especially since they die on the front, as a rule, in the first two weeks. This is what military departments are needed for: to train many thousands of lieutenants in the reserve.

But the last war of this type was the Second World War, and even then only in part. In 1941, it turned out that it’s not enough to have a lot of tanks, airplanes and rifles and a lot of people in uniform. It’s necessary that everyone was in his place, that interaction was established, that information was delivered to the command on time, decisions were made in a timely manner and immediately communicated a fighter who can drive this particular tank and shoot from this particular gun. Then everything was learned directly in the course of fighting, by natural selection.

But the system of recruitment and training of reserve officers (and, in part, of regular officers) has not changed much since then, although the equipment has become increasingly complex, and the military specialties have diversified more and more. As a result, in the mid-eighties, it looked like this: there are so many vacancies in the troops, there are so many officers, sergeants and soldiers. It is necessary to fill in all the cells of the staffing table, and whoever gets there, who has studied what technique, is not important, they will not be asked for it so strictly as for lack of staff.

Private Andrey Desnitsky

The apotheosis of idiocy was then the training of reserve officers at the military department of Moscow State University (yes, then army service did not abolish the need to receive this education, as well as vice versa, the department did not save the army). We, philologists, were taught to platoon commanders on infantry fighting vehicles — today's equivalent of the most infantry second lieutenants, the most massive, most knocked out category. In the group more than half of the guys have already come from the army, who served two years on a tank, and even three - on a submarine.

It would seem that if armies are needed by reserve officers - what is simpler? It was necessary to give the necessary additional classes in the last month or two to the most capable and responsible demobels in their home units and on ships where everything is already familiar, and send them to demobbles by junior lieutenants. Again, a great incentive for the guys: a private soldier joined the army and in two years became an officer! But no, that was not the case. They were gathered to the military department and began to learn another military specialty, not related to their army experience.

So it was in the eighties, when, as they say now, the army was strong, and Gorbachev did not ruin anything (just started). Of course, much has changed since then: for example, now soldiers are not peeling potatoes, but only their own weapon, - but in this whole undertaking, I see exactly the same "draft" idea: to fill the cells of the staff list.

But imagine how it will be. Serving for three months ... just get used to it, get used to the routine, get acquainted with colleagues and equipment - please come back to the lecture hall to listen (obviously, at this time someone will go to the barracks directly from the audience, without having listened to those lectures). And a year later, having hastily passed the session - back to the same place ... Or not to the same? Or how it will turn out, even in that very part? The command, too, because it is necessary to replace by someone these retired student soldiers. It was all simple in the infantry of a hundred-year-old sample: one had gone, another had arrived, picked up a comrade's rifle - and now everyone has their own place, their own specialty, their skills, and the unit’s combat capability depends primarily on the coherence and professionalism of the fighters.

Inevitably, I recall the phenomenon of the Soviet army as “partisans”. So semi-officially called reserve officers called up for training camps - just for these two or three months. For military personnel, they were a headache, well, imagine: a big-bellied man in a field uniform walks on the parade-ground with a lieutenant shoulder straps and with some string bag in his hand - he was civil yesterday and in a couple of months he will be again, but for now from family and work resting for the same salary, and in the grave he saw and drill bearing, and all military wisdom. But the logic of the conscript army demanded that he come to the training camp, reach the captain of the reserve by the age of forty, and in the event of a big war, would lead an entire company to attack the enemy trenches.


Partizan already, it seems, no, but here, I believe, there will be something similar: filling empty cells with random people. The army has an extra headache in the form of volatile fighters, universities have a breakdown of the entire curriculum, and there is no pleasure for the students either. At the moment, all this is very similar to utopia, even in detail. They promise, for example, that students in barracks will be provided with special conditions: a shower and even coffee makers. And how to ensure all this in the usual parts? But what if a simple draftee without a student card wants to drink some coffee? Or will students be sent to some particularly comfortable camps that have yet to be equipped? But then it's just summer fees, as after the military department, only for something multiplied by three.

Of course, in this whole undertaking there is a healthy grain. If the future engineer is going to devote himself to the design and operation of military equipment, there is nothing more useful than to see from the inside the lives of those who will use this technique (by the way, it would be good to call our military designers for some time into the army). Then it is, in fact, a form of internship, field practice. But this concerns a very small number of students, and this task is not solved at all within the framework of the draft system. Moreover, she has a solution in the conditions of a professional army, which itself considers its money and invests itself in the training of future specialists. It can be assumed that this army will not send them a ground for revenge and will not land on an unfamiliar technique — too expensive.

So if this is an extra headache for everyone, then why is it necessary? I would venture to make one guess. The draft army always openly declared not only military objectives: it is necessary to “make men out of boys” and “teach them to love their homeland”. This is exactly what the current hipster-studios are missing, and there is no doubt that the drill, along with running in gas masks and political information, will make a deep impression on them. True, not sure exactly what was intended.

However, they started talking about one more form of military service for students: “scientific companies” (by analogy with sports, where, in fact, the guys go in for professional sports, while being soldiers). It is even interesting to see how it will be ... Maybe it’s the most to go to such an extra rider? I am actually an ordinary stock, but given the scientific degree, age and length of service, sergeant marks, and even senior ones, will probably give. I will then give students to footcloths and at the same time teach ancient Greek.
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  1. Sirocco
    Sirocco 21 March 2013 08: 04 New
    +5
    I read and cannot understand what the conversation is about, about serving in the SA, or about the expected prospect of serving students in the ranks of the RA. ? But seriously, my opinion is all this venture is similar to a gamble. But imagine how it will be. Serve for three months ... you just get used to it, get comfortable with the routine, get to know your colleagues and equipment - come back to the audience to listen to the lecture (obviously, at this time someone will go to the barracks directly from the audience, not having listened to the lectures). this quote is not in the eyebrow but in the eye. Isn’t it easier to study and welcome to a year of service. And with this approach as they are offering now. There will be soldiers who, without knowing anything, have forgotten everything laughing
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 21 March 2013 12: 23 New
      +2
      They just played out - theoretically, the army is million, and practically - less than 700 thousand, and there is a war, people are needed in Syria, Mali, in the Caucasus, in Chelyabinsk for cordon, in the Arctic ... If you run into Iran, excuses about 3 months. end, or maybe it’s all over.
      The very place for scientific companies in Chelyabinsk - they will learn a lot of new things, and the most curious ones will be able to fully devote themselves to study - radiation distracts from the girls.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 21 March 2013 23: 35 New
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        Quote: Volkhov
        The very place to scientific companies
        in the madhouse for the author of the idea. There could not even be a different opinion.
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 21 March 2013 12: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Sirocco
      I read and cannot understand what the conversation is about, about serving in the SA, or about the expected prospect of serving students in the ranks of the RA. ?

      He also did not enter the essence until he read it. As a result, the impression was that the author was lucky to get to the wrong place. And throughout the article, the author spoils both the army of the USSR and the present, and so I realized that the appearance of the military unit is 95% dependent on the commander of this military unit and its officers - if they do everything ... well, then part will be the way he got into, if he cares for his service, then men and defenders and patriots Homelandbecause all the excess is removed on the potter’s wheel of the army, all the roughnesses of a raw nature are smoothed out, and then they are burned in the furnace of army life to the hardness of the stone.
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      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 21 March 2013 23: 36 New
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        Quote: Ghen75
        on the potter’s wheel of the army, everything superfluous is removed, all roughnesses of a raw nature are smoothed out, after which they are burned in the furnace of army life to the hardness of the stone.

        What the hell?! Have you served yourself?
    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 March 2013 13: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Sirocco
      Now imagine how it will be. Serve for three months ... you just get used to it, get used to the routine, get to know your colleagues and equipment - come back to the audience to listen to the lecture (obviously, at this time someone will go to the barracks directly from the audience, not having listened to the lectures).

      ... it is likely that this will be so.
      Хотя, если грамотно организовать, например по примеру некоторых шведских или финских "партизан", можно и толково сделать - РЕЗЕРВИСТОВ допустим в пределах определенного возраста с ежепереодическим призывом на некое время (конечно в строго один и тот же пункт-часть-роту-взвод).

      However, here they started talking about another form of military service for students: "scientific companies" (by analogy with the sports companies, where, in fact, the guys are engaged in professional sports, including soldiers).

      Насчет "научных рот", о5же ИМХО, можно же advanced hackers specialty call for cyber wars laughing
      Or fans of flying toys - into UAV operators!
      The main thing is to dispose of the master ...

      ЗЫ: сам служил срочную электромеханик-техник пульта в расчете пуска МБР. Закончил ВУЗ. Воинская специальность АО/ПО для ВВС. Был в резерве "пускачем" Всю жизнь работал в п/я по разработке электронных систем для ЛА. Т.е. крутился вокруг летающих и рычащих зверей. Вот такие дела...
    4. Draz
      Draz 21 March 2013 17: 42 New
      +1
      The thing is that when I recovered from the university after the army, I came to the military department, a duty officer came to me and asked, they say, what is needed?
      Я спрашиваю берут ли посли армии на военку, он меня: "а нахрена?"
      Ну я ему в ответ: "хочу повысить квалификацию, начальник передающей станции р-161у".
      He sat down from such a question, and said that they only come to them for the otmaz from the army.
      So think further what needs to be changed.
    5. s1н7т
      s1н7т 21 March 2013 23: 33 New
      -1
      So the author - about the same. PR move Shoigu, no more. Like, we care about defense. Type.
  2. Tartary
    Tartary 21 March 2013 08: 08 New
    +7
    С одной стороны, статье "+", хотя бы за это - I would venture to make one assumption. Not only military goals have always been openly declared in the draft army: it is needed in order to “make men out of boys” and “teach them to love their homeland”. This is exactly what current hipster studio students lack, and there is no doubt that drill training along with running in gas masks and political information will make a deep impression on them. True, I’m not sure exactly what it was intended.
    What is there to risk in the assumptions? Everything is just like that...
    The boys should take a full mouthful of the hardships of military service, understand the role of the collective in overcoming difficulties, grasp personal responsibility for the fate of relatives, whom they are obliged to protect and the Motherland, which they must defend from the adversary, etc.
    Returning home to the brave, worthy of the respect of peers (especially peers), who see in him a real, strong man-defender of weak fellow citizens, ready for the role of husband, father ...

    On the other hand, the author is a student Andrei Desnitsky, I did not see the institute at all, because conscripts with higher education in the USSR served 1,5 years, and not two ... At least until 1986, when I retired to the reserve ...
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 21 March 2013 08: 31 New
      0
      here is a video about today's army, who will say where are the real men here, those who beat or those who beat, whom such a service brings up? The main task of the army to rally the soldiers to create a military fist, and put weapons in it, can someone explain to me how the team rallies in this case. Just do not say that these are isolated cases and do not characterize military service. [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_detailpage & v = -jfcMMvXNbo # t = 3
      8s]
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 21 March 2013 08: 33 New
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      here is a video about today's army, who will say where are the real men here, those who beat or those who beat, whom such a service brings up? The main task of the army to rally the soldiers to create a military fist, and put weapons in it, can someone explain to me how the team rallies in this case. Just do not say that these are isolated cases and do not characterize military service.
      [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = -jfcMMvXNbo]
    3. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 21 March 2013 08: 37 New
      +2
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jfcMMvXNbo
      here is a video about today's army, who will say where are the real men here, those who beat or those who beat, whom such a service brings up? The main task of the army to rally the soldiers, create a military fist, and put weapons in it, can someone explain to me how the team rallies in this case. Just do not say that these are isolated cases and do not characterize military service.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 21 March 2013 08: 48 New
        +6
        I watched the film, I can say one thing, the FISH rots from the head, that is, from the unit commander. ALL. During the years of my service, there was hazing, and our commander fought against it, and fiercely. And it was beneficial to individual officers and ensigns who did not want to serve, ran home from duty, leaving grandfathers in their place. and so forth
      2. Tartary
        Tartary 21 March 2013 09: 01 New
        +7
        Quote: vladsolo56
        maybe someone will explain to me how the team rallies in this case.

        It’s all differently difficult for a kid in the first weeks, or even a couple of months ...
        Words can not explain the topic of rallying.
        In our training there was a concrete bath on duty, as I later understood, about 3x2 meters in size and about a meter high, weighing about a ton, maybe a little more ...
        According to one well-known plan, the sergeant takes the battery / platoon (in the training it was about 35-40 people) to a place he knew in advance where this curbstone was stored (!) And unexpectedly orders the choir to pick it up and move it to a new place - they say it’s interfering she is here ...
        In the flock of cadets of training - doubt, then an assessment of the possibility of testing with separate groups ...
        В итоге сержант как будто "звереет" и начинает обидными словами, а где и угрозами совершить физическое воздействие, заставляет толпу в 40 рыл обступить неподъемный предмет и на раз-два оторвать его от земли, а оторвав, призывает уже одобрительными подтруниваниями перенести бетонную бадью на приличное расстояние - ВСЁ!
        A group of cadet-fighters, who realized what the strength of the soldier’s brotherhood was, or, if you want collective perseverance, and faith, departed from the curbstone-bath-block.

        Aposlya has repeatedly seen how their sergeants brought cadets of other units to that curbstone ... What tricky educators!

        Applying various such educational methods, conscientious sergeants create from young soldiers very quickly confident, even sometimes bold fighters - I judge by myself (!)

        Of course, hazing is out of the question.
        My father (was alive) said that in the 60s and 70s, there was no talk of bullying. Old-timers climbed out of their way to teach youth, because the memory of the front-line brotherhood was still fresh.
        And sooooo much depends on the fathers-commanders!
        1. Fox
          Fox 21 March 2013 09: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Tartary
          Old-fashioned officers climbed into youth training

          So, initially, this is hazing. It’s after that already, they called crime so.
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 21 March 2013 09: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Tartary
      On the other hand, the author is a student Andrei Desnitsky, I did not see the institute at all, because conscripts with higher education in the USSR served 1,5 years, and not two ... At least until 1986, when I retired to the reserve ...

      You did not carefully read the article. At that time you called up after the first year, served 2 years, came, recovered, studied further. You yourself served like that, 83-85.
      1. DMB87
        DMB87 21 March 2013 17: 58 New
        0
        1985-1987. A year and a half after the institute.
    5. VadimSt
      VadimSt 21 March 2013 10: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      On the other hand, the author is a student Andrei Desnitsky. I did not see the institute at all.

      You inattentively read the article, there the author indicated - served after the second year.
    6. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 March 2013 13: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Tartary
      student Andrei Desnitsky, I see the institute and did not finish at all, because conscripts with higher education in the USSR served 1,5 of the year, and not two ... At least until 1986, when I retired ...


      No, it was in those years that students from the 1-2th course were pulled out for the 2goda ...

      Some of us who managed to finish university by this moment went on the second round. While ALL GUYS from the course who did not serve before the institute passed SA officers! Moreover, in the Air Force, some in the Strategic Missile Forces. Some remained in the army, then retiring after length of service - by the Polkans and majors ...
  3. predator.3
    predator.3 21 March 2013 08: 27 New
    +5
    "Who was a student - he saw youth, who was a soldier - he saw life"


    А в наше время говорили так : " Кто не был ,тот будет, кто был ,не забудет ,730 дней в сапогах !"
    1. TRex
      TRex 21 March 2013 11: 57 New
      +1
      And more: "Кто в армии служил - тот в цирке не смеется" wink
  4. Vorchun
    Vorchun 21 March 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Tartary

    On the other hand, the author is a student Andrei Desnitsky, I did not see the institute at all, because conscripts with higher education in the USSR served 1,5 years, and not two ... At least until 1986, when I retired to the reserve ...


    I don’t know how it was in your time, but back in the 70s with higher education - the rank and file served 1 year, officers 2 years.
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 21 March 2013 09: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Vorchun
      I don’t know how it was in your time, but back in the 70s with higher education - the rank and file served 1 year, officers 2 years.

      As it was in my time, I already said ...
      But a little earlier than your time, it seems like until the 63rd year, they served in the CA for 3 years, and in the Navy for 4 years ... The old said that it happened for half a year, or even a year, for the necessary specialists ... I didn’t complain, because the guys understood that the Motherland is not only the outskirts of their village, but also freedom and independence from adversaries ...
  5. Backbone
    Backbone 21 March 2013 08: 48 New
    0
    He studied at a sailor as a radio operator, and in the military department, sonar. Only equipment for training 50 years, which has a place only in the museum! Despite the fact that the fleet had completely different devices.
    Никогда не понимал смысла "партизанщины". На 2 недели как-то забрали на "переподготовку" в ... артиллерию. Смысл в этом? Чтобы знал откуда что стреляет? Так все равно ни разу не стреляли, водку пропили все дни. Получается что учили на одного, но не выучили, никому бывший студент не нужен. В военное время только и дадут ружжо 1905 года выпуска и вперед!
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 21 March 2013 09: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Skeleton
      Никогда не понимал смысла "партизанщины". На 2 недели как-то забрали на "переподготовку" в ... артиллерию. Смысл в этом?

      In vain do you think so ...
      Я вот собрался в апреле пойти "попартизанить" добровольно... Обещали позвонить из военкомата и забрать.
      В предыдущий раз (правда ужо давненько было) нас и из калашей потренировали и из РПГ-5 популяли и "Васильком" потренировали...
      Quote: Skeleton
      So still they never shot, they drank vodka all the days.

      And the vodka and moonshine, the commanders crushed the cobblestones in front of the whole system .. And it was all during Prohibition - Horror!
      Even with anger, they ordered the priest-priest to be shaved under a young soldier - shaved ... Have a look? lol
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 02 New
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      Quote: Skeleton
      Никогда не понимал смысла "партизанщины". На 2 недели как-то забрали на "переподготовку" в ... артиллерию. Смысл в этом? Чтобы

      Не знаю, от чего/кого это зависит, но бывает по-разному. У нас "партизан" не в лагерях гноили, а по частям раздавали. Мне как-то достался "партизанский" разведвзвод во главе со ст.сержантом запаса. Мужикам 35-40 лет. Я их "посадил" на штатные БТР - через неделю как новые! К внутренней службе их не привлекали, а парк/полигон - с нами. Кто с СпН, кто с РДР, кто с полковых РР. На вторую неделю стреляли не ниже "хорошо", вспомнили топографию, тактику, ТСП, а уж вздрочнуть их - без проблем, полное понимание дисциплины. Думаю, для них это было полезно - в плане мобилизации. А уж бойцы на них смотрели и охреневали. Т.е.,ещё и примером были,т.к. взрослые,состоявшиеся мужики делали то же,что и они - беспрекословно, точно и в срок. Мне понравилась такая "партизанщина" laughing
      И что такое ППЛС знаю - как-то дивизию с нуля развёртывали - это шопипец! Нужно, конечно, и это,но вот с "партизанами" в плане сборов - как рассказал, видится правильным. Нигде лучше,чем в линейной части, их не натаскают на новое, не вспомнят старое. Это было в 89-м. После - такого не видел и не слышал
  6. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 21 March 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    Instead of teaching conscripts who will serve at least a year in the army, now staff officers will wipe snot students three months a year. As for how a soldier weaned from service in 10 days of short-term leave, many people know what to say about 9 months. negative
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 07 New
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      Quote: Vladimirets
      Many people know about how a soldier weans from service in 10 days of short-term leave.

      Я всегда считал 1 к 3.Т.е. месяц надо потом "доводить до нормы". laughing
  7. amp
    amp 21 March 2013 09: 24 New
    +1
    It’s better to serve a normal year after graduation.
    And 3 times for 3 months - it turns out vacation, in principle, 3 years will not be.
    Who needs this? It is better to serve a year after uni and don’t fool yourself.
  8. Fox
    Fox 21 March 2013 09: 24 New
    +1
    студентов по з месяца...если хороших сержантов,как у нас в СССР в учебке были,то им будет нормально.излечат от всего.а если будут "офицеры",как на переподготовке в РФ,то...так,экскурсия.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 08 New
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      then ... so excursion

      It will be so. But something sounded - raise the defenses! laughing
  9. amp
    amp 21 March 2013 09: 41 New
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    In general, it is necessary to create a territorial army, as in Switzerland. There they serve for six months at first and then almost every year 3 weekly fees.
    It is necessary that there should be parts of constant combat readiness manned by contract soldiers, and the rest should be cropped units, which in a few days can be fully deployed if something happens.
    1. rexby63
      rexby63 21 March 2013 15: 55 New
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      Territorial divisions were in the Red Army. And you, before comparing Switzerland and Russia, look at Switzerland and Russia on a geographical map
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 21 March 2013 10: 23 New
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    Разделение на "креативных" и "не креативных", я считаю не допустимо!
    Служить должны все, кто признан пригодным к воинской службе - это долг и обязанность гражданина своей страны. Не для того, одни отдают долг, а иногда здоровье и жизнь, чтобы другие устраивались поудобней. Исключение должно быть, но только для тех, кто действительно, после окончания вуза, принесет больше пользы государству начав трудится по специальности. А то, развелось этих высших, со "специальными" специальностями (тур бизнес, макияж............), а Родину защищать, должны "рабочие и крестьяне".
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 March 2013 14: 41 New
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      А то, развелось этих высших, со "специальными" специальностями

      ... but agree, dear colleague, blood hacker - It’s better to go to cyber-military than to motorized shooters!

      I had such a person in my group, worked irregularly, in asynchronous with the rest of the l / s, mainly in the evenings when there was no one else left in the office. A colorful personality ... There were times - the end of 90xx, yet there wasn’t any sense. Basically - Fidonet. And now, in the morning we arrive - the computer turned on (although it was protected to the maximum with a bunch of passwords for all operations), it entered the network - there are no signs ...
      And what they didn’t do, it didn’t help ...
      Finally taken to the army!
      Устроился при штабе - чинить/настраивать компы, хакать "тарелки", чинить "цыфру" офицерскому составу... laughing
  11. fzr1000
    fzr1000 21 March 2013 10: 57 New
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    I would go to the forest. Although I have a specialty in aviation technology, I’m unlikely to be allowed in to a fighter, and do I have air regiments in the suburbs now? Then, probably, in the motorized infantry. Just recently I was at the military registration and enlistment office in connection with the change of registration, can they send a summons?
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 18 New
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      Then, probably, in the motorized infantry

      У моего "кашника" в первой чеченской 2 взводных (рота на БМП) были авиатехники (шопипец!). Оказались вполне обучаемы и адекватны. Только пили много - видать, синдром "шпаги" сказывался laughing
  12. Normal
    Normal 21 March 2013 11: 10 New
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    Of course, the idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional and only shows the incompetence of its author.
    But I do not like criticism of the universal appeal system.
    The call should be. For six months to a year, and then, according to the results and results, distribution. To whom is an offer for a contract. To whom is a proposal to the militia, a reserve (of the Swiss system), and to whom is a military school or tuition at a civilian university with the prospect of serving in the armed forces in engineering and technical positions.
    For those who did not serve at all, a ban on filling positions in the civil service.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 22 New
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      Plus but
      we don’t need a Swiss or someone else’s system. We need one that will provide our needs.
      "Не надо плыть по течению,, не надо плыть против течения. Надо плыть туда, куда тебе надо" (К.Прутков) laughing
  13. elmi
    elmi 21 March 2013 12: 30 New
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    Меня удивляет такие "тепличные условия" для студентов. Год от года правительство подстраивается под молодёжь, даже сократили срок службы до года. И всё равно недобор, не желает большинство молодёжи служить в армии. Считаю, что пора прекратить идти на уступки, вернуть 2 года службы, а если "откосил" или отказываешься служить-лишать право голосовать, занимать государственные посты, уменьшить зарплату и даже гражданства России! Если ты не отдал долг отчизне, ты не имеешь права именоваться Россиянином. В войну таких "косарей"-трусов судили по законам военного времени расстрелом .Терпеть не могу "косарей" которые трусят служить и будут в случае войны прикрываться за спинами солдат.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 27 New
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      you do not have the right to be called a Russian

      Я не "косарь" и не "либерал", но что такое "Россиянин"? Может,в Конституции чего просмотрел? laughing
      Я понимаю так - русские тут все(похрен какой национальности), а вот гражданские права могут быть разными для служивых и "косарей" - это да.Но тогда надо менять Конституцию,увы,
  14. Heccrbq
    Heccrbq 21 March 2013 13: 17 New
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    Eyes are sad, look sad, on the chest Grade 3 --- typical spirit soldier , Andrei, you'd better put a picture before the demobilization! drinks
    1. Normal
      Normal 21 March 2013 18: 13 New
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      Is it really spirit? Would you see me in the photo after the oath. There I am - the spirit. Twice I went through the whole bunch of pictures and couldn’t find my own, I didn’t recognize myself simply.
      And here it is not much different from the picture on the warrior, except for a hairstyle.
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 31 New
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      Нормальный "начинающий" воин, мы все такими были - чего стесняться-то? В любой период службы - на страже Отечества. Так ведь? drinks
  15. shurup
    shurup 21 March 2013 13: 25 New
    +2
    The husband returns from a business trip.
    Ugh you! Not a husband, but a platoon, that is, I. I find in my platoon the connection of a new fighter of Asian appearance with tank emblems. A soldier quietly moves in the park, but somehow not briskly.
    Спрашиваю своего сержанта -"А, что это, мол, такое у нас появилось?"
    - Yes, they sent a tanker to serve in our company.
    - ??. Why is he so a little painful?
    - And they cut out half a stomach!
    - So he can and should go home.
    - Relatives came, persuaded the authorities to give them a little more time to demobilize, otherwise he would not be able to marry them - no one would give her daughter away.
    (For signalmen, the service is easier - they do not go on guard in the cropped part)
    -Ah! Then let him do it. Well, you know what to do.
    Subsequently, a hundred replenishment of the author’s appeal, i.e. students. They were scattered in parts without training, and those who fell into our division were immediately assigned to sergeant posts, such as a secretary. But they were techies from the middle band of the RSFSR, and the issue is more complicated with humanities. The latter are better for two full years.
  16. Tamagon
    Tamagon 21 March 2013 15: 04 New
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    In 98, I had 2 students from France 9 (exchange), so the guys said that they have a second year at the institute, this is 1 year military service in the army as junior commanders. Who did not serve he was expelled. Everyone served, even the girls.
  17. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 21 March 2013 17: 29 New
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    they must be sent to the service before study or before issuing a diploma, and during study it is only harmful.
  18. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 21 March 2013 20: 21 New
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    Flies separately, cutlets separately, it is worth starting with this. What, for example, was Shoigu talking about? On the creation of micro-collectives for solving scientific problems for the army. That is, to split existing problems and create new ones laughing , that is, promising types of weapons, revolutionary tactics, new ideas ...
    The form of such work can be different, for example, like this: we create at the faculty of technical mechanics several groups of leaders - young teachers, and a person of five students is more talented (and more gouging, this is usually connected). They are given a package of descriptions of what is currently required to be solved, that is, a package of tasks in the form of, for example, such - there is mounted armor of such a design. Its strength should be increased by at least 50%. Groups issuing valuable offers are generously (really generously, not greedy!) Rewarded and receive some kind of benefits, or honorary titles that allow, in the future, for example, to get some kind of help from the Moscow Region. Groups that did not give anything - welcome for three months of exciting service on the Kush Spit. Or to another, equally resort place ...
    Теперь по идее "службы" студентов вместо каникул. Как известно, реально учащийся студент тратит АТФ на уровне, превышающем уровень затрат средневекового каменотеса. То есть 6-7 часов лекций и самостоятельная работа почти в полтора раза тяжелее, чем обработка камня кувалдой и зубилом по 12 часов в день. Никакая армия, кроме разве что спецназа ГРУ, не может создать такой уровень энергозатрат (к сожалению, из за специфики потребления топлива нашими нервами, нервная система буквально тонет в недогоревшей АТФ. студент обязан, если не хочет разнести свои же нервишки вдребезги, еще и спортом активно заниматься. вот только сейчас он этого, как правило, просто не знает). Так что эти три месяца - настоящий, без дураков, отдых. Во время которого нужно дать студенту сколь возможно более полное представление об умениях и знаниях, которые у него должны быть для армии. И об уровне нагрузок...
    The author of the article did not understand why he ended up in the army in this position simply because he did not know anything about the correct teaching technique. And also because the USSR was rapidly collapsing, everything is true, but the training framework was still preserved. You could see ...
  19. s1н7т
    s1н7т 21 March 2013 23: 26 New
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    Maladtsa, Andrei Desnitsky! Have fun, right! Thank!
    And about nonsense - also true. The article is a plus, the author is also laughing
  20. studentmati
    studentmati 21 March 2013 23: 38 New
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    It will become bad, do not we go by order?
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 March 2013 00: 41 New
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      It will become bad

      This is when the oligarchs in Cyprus will get bills? laughing
      While the USSR is not there, I will only fight for the near and dear ones.
      "Я всегда готов по приказу Советского Правительства выступить на защиту моей Родины — Союза Советских Социалистических Республик..." Тут ни слова нет типа - и её преемника РФ. Так что увольте.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 22 March 2013 00: 52 New
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        За минус "спасибо", но извольте кто кормит уже 22 года ваших родных и близких? Получается Вы "имеете" уже 22 года Россию и ждёте СССР? Извините за грубость, может не так Вас понял? Я тоже вырос, учился и служил в Союзе, но считаю нужным чтить историю страны в которой я живу и которая имеет многовековые корни.