Chinese Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Artillery: Operation and Export

16 860 42
Chinese Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Artillery: Operation and Export

During the Cold War, the PRC began producing towed anti-aircraft artillery units of 25-100 mm caliber based on Soviet and Western prototypes, which were also actively exported to Third World countries.

At the same time, Chinese designers were unable to create a truly effective self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle for quite a long time. artillery installation. The models that appeared in the 1960s and 1970s did not have radar or optoelectronic detection and guidance systems. When firing at air targets, crews had to determine the speed of the target and the distance to it visually, which, naturally, had a negative impact on the effectiveness of the shooting and did not allow the use of anti-aircraft self-propelled guns in conditions of poor visibility.



The absence of good sighting equipment on early Chinese ZSUs was explained by both the weakness of the scientific and technological base, and the inability of Chinese industry, in conditions of political instability, to mass-produce compact electronic products with acceptable reliability.

The situation changed after relations with the United States normalized and China gained access to advanced Western technology and arms.

The explosive growth of the Chinese economy in the first two decades of the 21st century and the investment of very significant resources in the education system, fundamental scientific and technological research have allowed the Chinese defense industry to reach a high world level, and now the PRC independently produces a full range of defense products, including self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery units. Chinese anti-aircraft artillery systems, in addition to deliveries to the PLA, are actively offered to foreign buyers.

Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns with 37-mm automatic cannons


If in previous publications the story about Chinese 12,7-14,5 mm anti-aircraft machine guns and 23-100 mm anti-aircraft guns was in order of increasing caliber, then the story about anti-aircraft self-propelled guns will be in chronological order from the moment of their creation.

In August 1972, soldiers of the 4th Infantry Regiment of the South Vietnamese Army captured a Type 63 self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. A number of sources claim that this ZSU was assembled in North Vietnam based on drawings provided by the Chinese, and a small number of similar self-propelled guns were produced in the PRC. The 32-ton vehicle had the mobility and range of the T-34-85. The crew consisted of five people.


A captured Type 63 anti-aircraft self-propelled gun on display at the Aberdeen Proving Ground museum.

Self-propelled gun created on the basis of tank The T-34-85 was armed with an anti-aircraft mount that used the artillery section of the 37 mm Type 65 twin mount. Due to the fact that the crew had to work in more cramped conditions, the combat rate of fire was lower than that of the towed mount, and did not exceed 150 rounds per minute. Ammunition was supplied to each barrel separately in 5-round clips, some of the ready-to-use rounds were stored in the turret, the rest were stored outside in containers installed on both sides of the hull. Since the firing data was determined "by eye", the effectiveness of anti-aircraft fire was low, and in fact, the mount was only capable of conducting barrage anti-aircraft fire against jet fighters.

In the early 1980s, tests began on the PGZ-88 ZSU, which had a unified hull and chassis with the Type 79 tank (an improved version of the Type 69-I tank) and was armed with a twin 37-mm Type 76 automatic mount. This 37-mm mount was originally intended to arm Chinese warships. The self-propelled gun's ammunition complement was 500 rounds. The rate of fire was 360 rounds per minute. The maximum range for air targets was 3000 m. A radar with a detection range of 8–10 km was supposed to be used to detect air targets. After detection, the target was to be tracked by an optoelectronic sighting system. In case of electronic failure, there was an optical sight. The 35,5-ton vehicle could accelerate to 50 km/h on the highway. Cruising range was 480 km. Crew - 4 people.


Anti-aircraft self-propelled gun PGZ88

For the 1980s, a vehicle with such data fully met the requirements of the military Defense and could operate in the same combat formations as tanks. However, the reality was not so rosy. The operational reliability of the radar was very low. In the dark, the optoelectronic system did not work, and during the day it demonstrated unsatisfactory guidance accuracy. As a result, the calculations mainly relied on simple optics, which did not provide any advantages over towed anti-aircraft guns. Although in 1989 the ZSU PGZ 88 was officially accepted into service, it was not possible to improve this vehicle, and only 24 self-propelled guns were produced.

Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns with 57-mm automatic cannons


After the PLA air defense began to be equipped with towed 1970-mm Type 57 machine guns in the 59s, the question of creating a self-propelled artillery unit of the same caliber arose.

The first stage was an attempt to increase the mobility of 57mm anti-aircraft guns by placing them on Jiefang CA-10 trucks (a Chinese copy of the ZIS-150, produced until 1983).


However, this variant was not widely used. The vehicle was not very stable when firing at low elevation angles, and the mobility and deployment speed of the anti-aircraft battery as a whole remained almost unchanged. The radar guidance station and optical rangefinder remained towed. Also, at the firing position, cable lines were required between the guns and the PUAZO.

In the early 1980s, China purchased several Soviet ZSU-57-2s from a Middle Eastern country. By that time, the self-propelled gun, armed with two 57-mm cannons and lacking a radar detection and guidance system, was hopelessly outdated, but despite this, the PRC attempted to copy it.

Chinese engineers initially used the Type 79 tank chassis as a base, and in 1986 the ZSU, designated Type 80, was introduced.


In terms of its characteristics, this anti-aircraft self-propelled gun was almost no different from the ZSU-57-2. A version was also created on the WZ305 tracked chassis with a front-mounted MTO.


Test firing at radio-controlled targets demonstrated that the ZSU, equipped with simple optical sights, does not provide the required probability of hitting air targets and is unable to reliably cover troops from air strikes, and the open-top turret does not provide the necessary protection for the crew on the battlefield. The Chinese army leadership rejected this vehicle, and foreign orders did not follow, despite intensive advertising.

Self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery units armed with 23-mm and 25-mm automatic cannons


After China began producing a copy of the Soviet 1980mm ZU-23 anti-aircraft gun (Chinese designation Type 23) in the second half of the 85s, a number of these guns were mounted on Type 63 (WZ-531) tracked armored personnel carriers. This low-volume anti-aircraft gun is known as the ZSD63 and was intended to accompany tank and motorized rifle units.


Anti-aircraft self-propelled gun ZSD63

The three-man crew of the twin 23mm gun was protected on the sides and back by light armor that protected against bullets and shrapnel. The ammunition load was 480 rounds. In terms of firing range and combat rate of fire, the Chinese version of the ZU-23 was no different from the Soviet prototype.


The vehicle with a curb weight of about 13 tons was driven by a 320 hp diesel engine, and its maximum speed on the highway was 65 km/h. The range was up to 500 km.

Subsequently, after military tests, the Chinese military preferred the 25-mm version of the twin anti-aircraft mount, and the ZSD-63 ZSU, armed with 23-mm guns, was not mass-produced. According to some reports, a small number of self-propelled guns armed with 25-mm PG87 machine guns were delivered to the troops, but they were not exported.


However, given that Chinese Type 63 armored personnel carriers were widely exported to countries in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, where they were actively used in combat, they, like other tracked vehicles, were often equipped with original Soviet ZU-23 anti-aircraft mounts.

Having gained some experience with the rather primitive ZSD-63 self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, the Chinese military came to the conclusion that they needed a mobile troop installation, coupled with radar detection and guidance systems. To increase the probability of hitting an air target, it was decided to combine artillery weapons with guided missiles. rockets. This anti-aircraft missile and gun system was created in the second half of the 1990s and received the designation Type 95. But it, as well as the Type 625 ZRPK, will be discussed in detail in a separate publication dedicated to Chinese ZRPK and short-range SAM systems.

Self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery units armed with 35-mm automatic cannons


After successfully copying the 35-mm Oerlikon GDF-002 artillery machine guns, mastering the serial production of PG99 towed anti-aircraft mounts and automated fire control systems, the next step was quite logically the creation of 35-mm self-propelled guns capable of accompanying tracked armored vehicles on the march and operating in the same combat formations.

About 15 years ago, testing began on a 35mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, which after being accepted into service received the designation PGZ09 (Type 09). This vehicle, on the chassis of the 155mm self-propelled howitzer Type 05, is armed with two 35mm cannons, which are also used in the towed PG99.


35mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun PGZ09

As of 2022, the PLA had approximately two hundred 35mm self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, organized into battalions attached to tank regiments.


Conceptually and in its combat characteristics, the Chinese ZSU is close to the German Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, the Finnish ItPsv 90 and the Japanese Type 87, but the PGZ09 is lighter than its foreign counterparts. The PGZ09 also surpasses the German and Finnish ZSU in terms of onboard electronics capabilities.

The PGZ09 self-propelled gun is equipped with a diesel engine with a capacity of 800 hp, accelerating the 35-ton vehicle on the highway to 65 km/h. Thanks to its good specific power, the Chinese ZSU feels confident even on very rough terrain. Cruising range on the highway is 450 km. The armor provides protection from small arms fire and light fragments.

The self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery division is provided with a low-altitude radar with a detection range of up to 80 km, which provides data via a secure radio channel. For independent search of air targets, each vehicle has a circular-view radar with a range of 15 km. In the front part of the turret there is a parabolic antenna of the radar rangefinder. In case of use of electronic warfare by the enemy and the threat of defeat by anti-radar missiles, there is the possibility of searching for air targets with a passive optoelectronic station with a laser rangefinder.


It is reported that the latest modification of the PGZ09 ZSU is equipped with a new day camera and thermal imager, which allows the 35-mm mount to be effectively used around the clock and in any weather conditions. In addition, improvements have affected the radar system, which operates in a mode that significantly complicates the guidance of anti-radar missiles.

To improve mobility, approximately 60 twin towed 35mm PG99 mounts were mounted on three-axle Shaanxi SX2190 all-terrain trucks. The anti-aircraft mount on the truck chassis was designated CS/SA1.


In terms of range and rate of fire, the 35-mm artillery unit mounted on the truck is no different from the towed PG99 anti-aircraft guns and the PGZ-09 self-propelled guns. The effective range of target destruction is up to 4 km, the ceiling is up to 3 km. The rate of fire is 1100 rounds per minute. Ammunition is 378 ready-to-use rounds.

Firing can be carried out either remotely or from the gunner's station. The AF902A fire control system is an improved version of the Type 902 FCS, implemented on a separate towed trailer and equipped with a radar with a target detection range of up to 40 km, as well as an optoelectronic tracking module and a ballistic computer.

Although the CS/SA1 units are considered mobile, they are primarily intended for air defense of stationary objects and are deployed in prepared positions. Thanks to the advanced fire control system, the effectiveness of the CS/SA1 battery is higher than that of the PGZ09 ZSU.


Chinese media reported that the CS/SA-1 system is capable of effectively intercepting small air targets by using new 35mm PTFP projectiles with a programmable fuse and ready-made striking elements. Apparently, these projectiles are an analogue of the 35mm AHEAD ammunition from Rheinmetall Air Defence RWS Schweiz.

Nothing is known about the export of the PGZ09 tracked self-propelled guns, but the CS/SA1 wheeled vehicles, armed with two 35mm machine guns, were supplied to Pakistan and Iran, according to several sources. It is also possible that these are local copies, created on the basis of Chinese licenses.

Self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery units armed with 30-mm automatic cannons


In the 21st century, China allocated very significant financial resources to defense research and development, and, in addition to other weapons systems, a significant number of different anti-aircraft artillery installations were designed. A new direction for Chinese designers was the creation of land-based 30-mm machine guns.

Based on the 30-mm artillery unit of the Dutch naval complex "Goalkeeper" (the Chinese version is known as Type 730), NORINCO created the land-based SAM LD2000, designed to provide air defense of stationary objects. The system was presented at the defense exhibition IDEX in 2005.


Shooting from 30mm ZAK LD2000

The six-barreled artillery mount and control equipment are mounted on the cargo platform of the eight-wheel drive Wanshan WS2400 vehicle, which allows it to move on dirt roads and even off-road in addition to highways. The tire pressure can be adjusted by the driver while the vehicle is moving. The LD2000 system can accelerate to 75 km/h, and has a range of up to 650 km. However, firing is only possible from a stationary position, after the vehicle is raised on jacks. There is also a version of the artillery mount on a towed trailer.


In the rotating turret, on each side of the gun, there are boxes for 500 shells. The ammunition supply to the gun is linkless and selective. One box contains rounds with armor-piercing sub-caliber shells, and the second one stores high-explosive fragmentation shells. The maximum firing range at air targets is 3 km. The rate of fire is up to 5 rounds per minute. It is possible to intercept targets flying at extremely low altitudes at supersonic speeds.

Targeting is carried out remotely from the operator's seat, located in a separate cabin. The artillery mount's turret houses a Type 347G tracking radar, a combined sight with a thermal imaging channel and a built-in laser rangefinder, and the roof of the truck houses a rotating mast with a rotating radar antenna capable of detecting at a distance of 12 km. The tracking range is 9 km. The radar equipment is capable of tracking 48 targets.

An anti-aircraft battery may include up to 8 self-propelled guns, a control vehicle with a circular-view radar and data transmission equipment, transport and loading vehicles and auxiliary equipment.

Since 2013, the LD2000 system has been offered to foreign customers, but there have been no foreign orders. Despite the lack of export contracts, the development of the LD2000 SAM intended for the PLA continued. To expand combat capabilities, transport and launch containers for TY-90 anti-aircraft missiles with an IR seeker and a firing range of up to 6 km can be installed on the sides of the turret. The LD2000 artillery systems were also integrated into the HQ-6D short-range anti-aircraft missile system, after which it received the designation HQ-6A (artillery). Thanks to this, the SAM's ability to destroy low-altitude air targets was improved, the "dead zone" was reduced to a minimum, and the ability to defend against a ground enemy appeared. According to reference data, approximately 6 HQ-20D SAMs have been brought up to the HQ-6A level.

The turret with a six-barrel 30 mm cannon was also mounted on the chassis of the ZBL08 (Type 08) wheeled infantry fighting vehicle. The vehicle, known as the CS/SA5, was unveiled at the 2021 Zhuhai Air Show. The surveillance and targeting equipment included a search and track radar and an optoelectronic system with a thermal imaging channel.


The self-propelled unit, additionally armed with short-range anti-aircraft missiles with IR homing heads, successfully passed tests and was offered to Pakistan. But, apparently, this project did not receive further development.

Продолжение следует ...
42 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +4
    2 January 2025 04: 24
    Sergey, as always interesting and informative!
    Thank you for the article.
    1. +5
      2 January 2025 10: 36
      Quote: Proton
      Sergey, as always interesting and informative!
      Thank you for the article.

      drinks
  2. +3
    2 January 2025 05: 38
    Thanks for a new article in the new year! Happy New Year to all!
    1. +5
      2 January 2025 06: 28
      I join in the kind words of Comrades! I don't know a thing about Chinese YAZSAU. At the very least, our eastern neighbors in this segment put the French and Germans on their shoulder blades, taken together!!!
      1. +3
        2 January 2025 10: 56
        Vlad, hello! Happy New Year! And greetings from Olya!
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        I join in the kind words of Comrades! I don't know a thing about Chinese YAZSAU. At the very least, our eastern neighbors in this segment put the French and Germans on their shoulder blades, taken together!!!

        NATO traditionally relied on fighter aircraft and air superiority in terms of air defense. In addition, the Europeans frankly relaxed after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and did not prepare for war. In France, all 30-mm ZSUs based on the AMX-13 were written off, and the AMX-30 DCA mount was not put into production. The Gepard 1A2 mounts were removed from service with the Bundeswehr in 2012, and it is even surprising that some of them remained in storage.
        1. +6
          2 January 2025 11: 55
          After the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, the Europeans openly relaxed and did not prepare for war
          In the short-range air defense unit, the same Germans, "out of fright," immediately took the 35mm Mantis/Millennium and mounted it on a truck. After thinking a bit, for some reason they went to the 30mm caliber (but also with AHEAD) and mounted it on the Boxer (all of them, right up to wassat 155mm, put on the Boxer), supplemented with Stingers. Literally in two years they made it and put it into production.
          The Gepard 1A2 was withdrawn from service in the Bundeswehr in 2012, and it is surprising that some of them remained in storage.
          Storage is fine, but they had to buy them from Qatar and Jordan to give them to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. By the way, there are no Gepards in the losses in Lostmore. request are visible.
          1. +2
            2 January 2025 11: 59
            Quote: Wildcat
            In the short-range air defense department, the same Germans, "out of fright", immediately took the 35mm Mantis/Millennium and put it on a truck. After thinking a bit, for some reason they went to the 30mm caliber (but also with AHEAD) and put it on the Boxer (they put everything, up to 155mm, on the Boxer), supplementing it with Stingers. Literally in two years they made it and put it into production.

            They might put it into production, but it will take time to saturate the troops.
            Quote: Wildcat
            Storage is fine, but they had to buy it from Qatar and Jordan to give it to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

            And bring them to a normal technical condition... Yes
            Quote: Wildcat
            Cheetahs are not visible in the losses at Lostmore.

            They do not suffer any particular losses, since they are mainly deployed in rear areas, often even beyond the range of the Lancets.
            1. +3
              2 January 2025 12: 10
              They might put it into production, but it will take time to saturate the troops.
              Well, how about a series... here too "understand and forgive" - 19 ZSU to the Bundeswehr news: "Skyranger 30 for mobile air defense at close range
              In total, the Bundeswehr will receive 2028 by 19 laughing lol wassat new Skyranger 30 anti-aircraft tanks. The first example is scheduled to arrive by the end of the year. The arms company Rheinmetall presented the combination of a turret with a 30-millimeter cannon and a wheeled Boxer tank in action for the first time in Zurich.... With the Skyranger, the Bundeswehr is closing laughing a gap in military capabilities left by the withdrawal of the Gepard anti-aircraft tank. Bundeswehr soldiers now winked again laughing can be sure lol in that they will be protected from air attacks during their operations.
              " https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/aktuelles/meldungen/skyranger-30-bundeswehr-erhaelt-19-neue-flugabwehrpanzer
              Frame - up to 49 ZSU.
          2. 0
            April 3 2025 15: 03
            Who wrote off our Tunguska SAM system and sent it to the scrap yard? Who should we thank for this, Taburetkin or Shoigu? After all, it was a pretty good system, wasn't it? And there were quite a few of them produced. If it had been slightly modified to combat UAVs, there would certainly have been fewer holes in our air defense. It is clear that the percentage of new equipment in the army needs to be increased, but not in the same way. How many Tunguskas did we have in service and how many Pantsir SAMs do we have now? But the latter should have fully replaced the former in the same quantity. But it looks like this hasn't happened yet.
    2. +4
      2 January 2025 10: 42
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Thanks for a new article in the new year! Happy New Year to all!

      Alexey, thank you for your kind words and congratulations! The next planned publication was supposed to be about Chinese export MANPADS, ZRPK and short-range SAM systems. But on 31.12.25/XNUMX/XNUMX, an article about Polish air defense was published on VO, which contained a lot of outright lies, and other "patriotic" characters left out outright nonsense in the comments. Therefore, I decided to make a publication about the current state of the Polish air defense system, and the Chinese will wait a little.
      1. +3
        2 January 2025 11: 24
        decided to make a publication on the current state of the Polish air defense system

        Hooray!
        The Poles post a lot of relatively "fresh" stuff on the Internet, for example: "The subject of the contract is the acquisition of the integrated air and missile defense control system IBCS, including command and communication equipment and specialized software, which was specified for the complete set six batteries (12 firing units) ordered under the second stage of the Vistula program and 23 batteries (46 firing units) of the Narew system (as well as 22 batteries of the Pilica+ system)." Source: https://zbiam.pl/ibcs-for-other-fazy-wisly-i-systemu-narew/

        "Thank you very much for this determination, thank you for the preparation, for the implementation of a large enterprise, which is the construction of air defense, anti-missile defense and anti-aircraft defense. This is the biggest problem, because it is extremely expensive at the same time. Mr. Ambassador just told us what ///// taught us in Ukraine. It showed how important air defense, anti-aircraft defense and anti-missile defense are, what systems are necessary to respond to thousands of attacks and effectively defend ourselves. We rely on this knowledge, we rely on this experience, we are building our own air defense systems. They consist of several layers, starting with a very short-range layer, such as Pilica Plus, through the Narew, and reaching what is today the heart, and in fact the most important element of air defense – medium-range defense in the Vistula program, - the head of the Ministry of Defense noted.
        The squadron has completed the process of acceptance and integration of the combat elements of the Vistula system, and the implementation of the training marks the completion of the first phase of combat training and unit break-up using the IBCS command system. This is confirmed by the squadron achieving Initial Operational Capability (IOC).
        https://zbiam.pl/wstepna-gotowosc-operacyjna-elementow-systemu-wisla/

        By the way, for example - on the topic lol "what is Poland doing itself": "On February 20, the Secretary of State of the Ministry of National Defense, Pavel Beida, signed another offset agreement under the implementation of the Phase II acquisition program for the Vistula Intermediate-Range Air Defense and Missile Defense System (Patriot / IBCS). The first three executive contracts for the delivery of the Vistula Phase II system were signed on September 5 with Lockheed Martin and RTX. They have a total net value of US$9,3 billion and are related to the delivery of: 12 RTX GHOSTEYE LTAMDS (Lower Tier Air and Missile Defense Sensor) multi-function radars, 48 ​​M903 launchers and a "required stock" of PAC-3 MSE missiles (the State Department authorization provided for 644 missiles). The above commitments concern m.in.: to integrate the Sajna multi-role fire control radar (RWKO) of the Narew system and the Bystra ZDPSR (m.in. Pilica+ system) with the IBCS system; to acquire the capabilities to produce new types of 30x173 mm ammunition for the 30 mm Mk44 / Mk44S Bushmaster II cannons, which are part of the armament of the Rosomakha KBVP and the Barsuk NBVP; to acquire capacities for the production of 120 mm tank ammunition; to acquire capacities for the production of 30x113 mm ammunition for the 30 mm M230 cannons of the AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopters; to acquire capacities for the training of technical personnel in specialized laboratories, in the conditions of the networked environment of the IBCS command and control support system for the Wisla medium-range air defense and anti-missile missile systems and the Narew short-range air defense missile systems." https://zbiam.pl/umowa-offsetowa-z-korporacja-northrop-grumman-w-ramach-ii-fazy-programu-wisla/
      2. +1
        2 January 2025 12: 40
        But on 31.12.25/XNUMX/XNUMX, an article about Poland's air defense was published on VO

        A little ahead of its time ;)
        The article is very interesting, thank you!
      3. +1
        2 January 2025 13: 42
        Happy New Year again, I'll be waiting for the sequel! And 15 knifes aren't your thing? I recently read it while riding on the train.
        1. 0
          2 January 2025 16: 58
          Quote: Alexey 1970
          Happy New Year again, I'll be waiting for the continuation!

          Thank you again!
          Quote: Alexey 1970
          And 15 knives aren't yours? I recently read it while riding on the train.

          No, it's not mine. "Writing" on VO is entertainment. I earn my living in a completely different way, unfortunately not such a pleasant one.
  3. +2
    2 January 2025 06: 06
    Good article. Now the logic of development of self-propelled chargers of the PRC is clear.
  4. +3
    2 January 2025 06: 52
    Happy New Year!
    I wonder why Gatlings didn't catch on in the Soviet/Russian army (except for the naval AK630)?
    1. +7
      2 January 2025 10: 23
      Quote: dzvero
      Happy New Year!
      I wonder why Gatlings didn't catch on in the Soviet/Russian army (except for the naval AK630)?

      Why? At least in aviation GSh-6-30.
    2. +3
      2 January 2025 11: 05
      Quote: dzvero
      I wonder why Gatlings didn't catch on in the Soviet/Russian army (except for the naval AK630)?

      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Why? At least in aviation GSh-6-30.

      Apparently, we are talking about army air defense. The fact is that guns with a rotating barrel block are technically more complex, heavier and more expensive than automatic guns based on gas bleed and barrel recoil. The ZSU-57-2 used a slightly modified artillery unit from the AZP-57 (S-60), the ZSU-23-4 guns had much in common with the ZU-23, and the Tunguska and Pantsir use 30-mm twin-barreled 2A38 with gas bleed automation operating in antiphase.
      1. +2
        2 January 2025 13: 19
        Thank you! It turns out that preference was given to proven solutions, and the operational shortcomings of the "gatling" outweighed its advantages in the eyes of the customer.
  5. +1
    2 January 2025 07: 17
    Wanshan WS2400, which allows you to move on dirt roads and even off-road in addition to highways.

    There are big doubts about that. The drive is a drive, but relatively small wheels, low ground clearance and simply huge distance between pairs of wheels are poorly combined with cross-country ability
    1. +2
      2 January 2025 12: 45
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      There are serious doubts about that.

      You need to look at the load per unit area. It is quite possible that the Wanshan WS2400 can still move on hard, level ground off-road. Our S-300 launchers move across the field.
      1. 0
        2 January 2025 14: 17
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        It is quite possible that the Wanshan WS2400 can still move on hard, level ground off-road. Our S-300 launchers can move across the field.

        Hard flat ground is of course off-road, for such, very conditional. And MAZ chassis, and even KRAZ with a trailer are like heaven and earth with Vanshan. Purely externally of course, but the exterior in cars rarely contradicts the capabilities.
        Happy New Year!
  6. +1
    2 January 2025 10: 22
    Very interesting, the Chinese as usual please with variety and are not afraid to put controversial models into service. It seems to me that such an expensive one is correct and will bring the desired result, and because of drones such anti-aircraft guns are again very relevant.
  7. +3
    2 January 2025 10: 48
    hi
    As always, an interesting article!

    Question: The LD2000 SAM system is most likely a land-based version of the Gol'Kiper (seven-barreled? https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-12 ), which, in turn, is a version of the Warthog gun in a 30x173 mm caliber; and isn't the CS/SA5 a land-based version of our A630 (six-barreled) in a 30x165 mm caliber https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-21 ?
    The barrels, IMHO, are very different between the two ZSUs... feel

    By the way, IMHO, there is also a 35-mm ZSU BK1060 (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-13); (and a 35 mm version for telescopic cartridges); and something 76 (mm) https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-21; and LD3000 (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-19) - generally 11-barreled wassat , if my eyes don't deceive me...

    P.S. Sorry, but there is no point in posting to YouTube anymore.... sad
    PPS. China makes and has made so many ZSUs from 23 to 76 mm. (with different cartridges) that it is very easy for me personally to get confused...
    1. +3
      2 January 2025 10: 56
      Or CS/SA5 several options: in 30mm and 25mm calibers... request recourse
      1. +3
        2 January 2025 11: 20
        Quote: Wildcat
        Or CS/SA5 several options: in 30mm and 25mm calibers...

        There were 25 and 30 mm variants, they are called differently on the machines. The 30 mm is offered for export.
    2. +4
      2 January 2025 11: 12
      Quote: Wildcat
      As always, an interesting article!

      drinks
      Quote: Wildcat
      The LD2000 SAM system is most likely a land-based version of the Goalkeeper.

      Yes
      Quote: Wildcat
      and CS/SA5 - isn't it a land version of our A630 (six-barreled) in 30 x 165 mm caliber?

      But I don't know this... request
      Quote: Wildcat
      By the way, IMHO, there is also a 35 mm ZSU BK1060 (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-13), (and a 35 mm version for telescopic cartridges), and something 76 (mm) https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-21, and LD3000 (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/pla-anti-air-gun-systems.872/page-19) - generally 11-barreled, if my eyes do not fail me ...

      I wrote only about what at least made it to military testing and was offered for export.
  8. +4
    2 January 2025 12: 34
    Well, for comparison: a 28-barrel shotgun with a 6-barrel 5,45... I don’t know what to call it.
    I'm attaching a photo, but I don't know what to call it.

    Official Telegram channel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: "The Ministry of Defense has published a video of an air defense buggy armed with a mount with 6 AKs and a canister gun
    https://t.me/mod_russia/47270
    Mobility and Efficiency: The Operation of a Counter-UAV Team on a Buggy
    Servicemen of the separate anti-aircraft missile division of the "South" group use specialized vehicles of the buggy type to carry out tasks of protecting the positions of the Buk air defense missile system.
    The vehicle based on the Niva has high cross-country ability and is armed with six Kalashnikov assault rifles, placed in one plane on the frame, which allows for dense fire at the target from all barrels simultaneously. The buggy is also equipped with heat traps and fire weapons that shoot buckshot."

    https://lostarmour.info/svo"
    1. +3
      2 January 2025 13: 51
      I don't know what to call it.
      Holy shit! At least they remembered the WWII experience with Maxims, or is it a total disaster with machine guns?
      1. 0
        2 January 2025 14: 07
        There were also 72 PPSh in the Il-2.
        But here, in my opinion, a 24-barrel shotgun(?) would be more interesting. An interesting solution against drones.
        And what to call the installation? For example ZPU-24x10k/6x5.45 smile
      2. +4
        2 January 2025 14: 13
        Sadness? There is no sadness, and with a Jedi sword in the air defense - it's pure fun!

        Firebomber telegram "by 10.12.24. equip with Jedi swords" I removed it, but left the photo of the unique designs made from Zu23/AK74, flashlights, laser pointers and plastic ties.
        "Now, instead of one Jedi sword per unit, you have to buy one sword for each ZU, turret, and machine gun."
        https://t.me/s/fighter_bomber

        P.S. By the way, the author of the article recently wrote an article about the options for upgrading the Zu23. But the idea "take a bigger Jedi sword and tie it with a plastic tie more tightly" was not disclosed in the article and reality overcame theory.
        request
        1. -3
          3 January 2025 14: 08
          Fightbomber is a fool. "The Sword of the Jedi" is what the manufacturer calls its laser pointer. No point in being sarcastic here. If the technicians at the airfield don't have the brains to make a simple mount on the barrel from two strips of iron, then write such technicians off to the infantry. And if the pilots are upset about paying 2 to 4 thousand rubles in a collection for a pointer, then maybe Fightbomber should organize a collection and buy them instead of Garmins?
  9. +1
    3 January 2025 16: 23
    investment of very significant resources into the education system, fundamental scientific and technological research
    I wonder when our government officials will understand that for the stable development of the state it is necessary not only to empty the subsoil, but also to invest in human capital (education and science)? Otherwise the subsoil will be empty, or, God forbid, the Zenas will fall on them, what then, suck their paw?
  10. -1
    4 January 2025 13: 27
    We can also adopt the idea of ​​installing 30-35mm on a truck. Cheap and cheerful for defense against UAVs in the rear areas of some objects.
    1. -1
      4 January 2025 16: 54
      Quote: Zaurbek
      We can also adopt the idea of ​​installing 30-35mm on a truck. Cheap and cheerful for defense against UAVs in the rear areas of some objects.

      Please remind me of the designations of our 30-35 mm anti-aircraft guns suitable for installation on trucks?
      1. 0
        4 January 2025 17: 55
        I'm talking about the concept in general.
        And so 2a42 is old, why not? Ready-made naval GSh-6-30. 35mm, naturally we don't have, we have 37mm from 1939. Relative of Bofors. If we go further, then 57mm.
        1. -1
          5 January 2025 04: 01
          Quote: Zaurbek
          I'm talking about the concept in general.

          Speaking without thinking is the same as shooting without aiming.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And since 2a42 is old, why not?

          Since when did the 2A42, developed for the BMP-2, which has a low rate of fire and is not suitable for firing long bursts, become an anti-aircraft gun?
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Ready-made marine GSh-6-30.

          There are no naval GSh-6-60s, there are AK-630 and AK-306 installations. But, for a moment, inquire about the weight of these installations and the fire control system.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          There is a 37mm from 1939.

          All 37mm 61-K assault rifles in the Russian Federation were disposed of more than 20 years ago.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          If we go further, then 57mm.

          Yes, the AZP-57 is indeed mounted on a wheeled base. But such installations are used only for firing at ground targets. Since the effectiveness against air targets without the RPK-1 "Vaza" is zero.
          Write about what you really understand!
          1. -1
            6 January 2025 19: 27
            What's stopping you from installing 2a42 as a ZA? There is a dual one with cooling on the BMPT...they forgot about the GSh-2-30, which are on the Pantsir.
            1. 0
              7 January 2025 04: 32
              Quote: Zaurbek
              What's stopping you from putting 2a42 as a ZA?

              Is it very difficult to get acquainted with the characteristics of the 2A2? This gun has a low rate of fire and is not suitable for long-term fire in long bursts.
              Quote: Zaurbek
              forgot about gsh-2-30

              You are again demonstrating a complete ignorance of the subject you are trying to discuss. The GSh-30-2 is an aircraft cannon, which for many reasons is not suitable for use on ground vehicles. The Tunguska and Pantsir family of air defense missile and gun systems use 2A28 automatic guns with forced liquid cooling.

              But it's not even about the guns. Without an effective fire control system and targeting and search systems, the effectiveness of shooting even from very rapid-fire machine guns will be very low. And there is no point in creating such a ZSU.
              1. 0
                7 January 2025 09: 35
                And in the Russian Federation there is no fire control system for anti-aircraft guns?
                1. -1
                  7 January 2025 11: 03
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  And in the Russian Federation there is no fire control system for anti-aircraft guns?

                  For towed vehicles - no.
                  1. 0
                    9 January 2025 22: 24
                    Quote: Bongo
                    2A42, developed for the BMP-2, which has a low rate of fire and is not suitable for firing long bursts, became an anti-aircraft gun?


                    We have an "aircraft" 30-mm cannon NPPU-28 designed for shooting low-speed air targets up to 2500 m. The same 2a42.
                    Probably, there is some kind of FCS. Analogue of the Apache gun which they plan to use on the turret for installation on the LBT to combat UAVs.

                    Quote: Bongo
                    There are AK-630 and AK-306 installations. But, for a moment, inquire about the weight of these installations and the fire control system.


                    Just under 4 tons, Phalanx will be heavier. There is a ship-based fire control system, it will be on a separate truck (trucks) to control the fire of 2-3 installations.