Military-industrial complex-2024: personnel shortage becomes threatening

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Military-industrial complex-2024: personnel shortage becomes threatening


Two news items


For starters, it's good news. Back in early 2024, the Ministry of Defense announced the delivery of more than 36 thousand combat units and about 16 million weapons. This is by the end of the year. In December, there were no exact figures on the effectiveness of the defense order, so we can only hope that the plans were realized. And now the second piece of news. In 2023, the Russian Army received more than 1,7 million samples of weapons, military and special equipment. A huge imbalance. In fairness, last year a significant part of the supplies from the military-industrial complex was filled with equipment restored after battles or after decades of storage in warehouses. But even taking this into account, the imbalance is huge: 2024 thousand units planned for 36 and 1,7 million last year. It is worth mentioning separately that we will know the exact effectiveness of the domestic defense industry in a few years at best.




There may be several reasons for this state of affairs. Firstly, the military equipment that entered the army in 2023 is still fighting and is far from being knocked out by the enemy. Although in this regard, it is impossible not to quote the words of Viktor Murakhovsky, a retired colonel, a member of the Expert Council of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission:

"Enemy losses in tanks and other combat armored vehicles are approaching 20000 units, exactly the same number concerns combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems and field guns artillery and mortars. I don’t think our losses differ significantly from the figures given.”

The statement is dated December 1, 2024. Here is an even bolder statement:

"We have no motorized rifle or tank units or formations left on the front line. The same applies to the enemy."

This can be interpreted in different ways. For example, that all the equipment had to be withdrawn away from the line of combat contact in order to avoid unnecessary losses. Perhaps, we will stop at this contradictory conclusion.

The second reason for the possible imbalance in the supply of military equipment is the gradual depletion of warehouse stocks. More precisely, not even that - long-term storage warehouses have equipment that requires a lot of time and resources to restore. It is not surprising that Kaluga has decided to resume production of gas turbine GTD-1250 - the old and restored ones have already run out. And if there are any left, it is easier to assemble a new one than to restore it from storage. It will be very good if it is possible to fulfill the planned defense order of 36 thousand units of military equipment, since in 2024 another stress factor has manifested itself in full force - a total shortage of labor. And not just ordinary hands, but qualified ones.

On the one hand, at the beginning of December, Russia recorded a record low unemployment rate – only 2,3 percent. This is good. Everyone who is ready has a job. On the other hand, the military-industrial complex is short of about 400 thousand people. These are the words of deputy Morozov, voiced at the end of November. First Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov announced in the summer that there were 160 thousand vacancies in the defense industry. The problem is growing exponentially. And there is nowhere to recruit people for the jobs – the deficit is 2,5 million people across the country. If extraordinary measures are not taken, then one should not expect a serious increase in production at defense plants.

According to the laws of wartime


In Russia, internal labor migration is traditionally weak. Unlike Western countries, Russians are reluctant to change their place of residence for the sake of work. Therefore, when it comes to the "hospital average" unemployment, it is necessary to familiarize yourself with regional statistics. Indeed, there is a shortage of personnel in the locomotives of the military-industrial complex. Tatarstan - 2 percent unemployed, Nizhny Novgorod Region - 1,5 percent, Chelyabinsk - 2,2 percent, and so on. But there are "labor surplus" regions: the Altai Republic, the Republic of Dagestan, the Republic of Ingushetia, the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic, the Karachay-Cherkess Republic, the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, the Republic of Tyva, the Chechen Republic. In Ingushetia, for example, at the beginning of the year, unemployment reached 27,4 percent.

The problem of labor could well be solved by intensive relocation to industrial regions from "labor-surplus" regions. But in Russia, since the beginning of the special operation, on the contrary, people have begun to look for work in other regions less. Statisticians say that in 2022, interregional migration decreased by 7,4 percent. For comparison, in the hard years of COVID it was at least 5 percent. Some workers found themselves in their region, including at military-industrial complex facilities. But in other parts of Russia, people remained on benefits (or worked under gray schemes).

It is simply impossible to start the process of transferring labor resources to the “starving” regions. We live in the realities of a market economy, and even raising wages will not fix the situation. Capital investments in infrastructure are needed. Approximately like in Soviet times. The Avtozavodsky district of Nizhny Novgorod (then the city of Gorky) was built to meet the needs of GAZ. Is something similar happening now? An employee may be happy to move to a plant in, say, Yekaterinburg or Omsk, but where will he live? In a rented apartment, the rent for which is partially compensated by the employer? If at all. And he has a wife and children. Is there a place to find a job for the spouse? As a result, there are more than enough questions about the organization of the military-industrial complex in the conditions of actual wartime.

It seems that Russia has encountered a problem previously voiced in relation to the Western defense industry. Few abroad are ready to invest in military production, since there is no certainty about the duration of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Rheinmetall would be happy to promote the production of ammunition, but is afraid of being left with nothing after the parties reconcile.

No similarity with the Russian problem? Over the past years, since the beginning of the Central Military District, new microdistricts with hospitals, schools and kindergartens could appear in cities with military factories. Exclusively for new workers. A fair question - where to employ those same 400 thousand people in short supply when Russia defeats the enemy? There is no big problem with this. During the Central Military District, a lot of equipment will be irretrievably lost, and it will take more than one year to replenish it. Also, do not forget about the significant increase in the size of the army, which will also require a mountain weapons and combat vehicles. But there is no movement in this direction yet, and the impact of the personnel shortage on the successful fulfillment of the defense order remains a big question. In the meantime, we only see that Ural and UAZ are forced to attract migrants from Central Asia or even prisoners to the assembly line.

There are other ways to solve the problem. They will not completely fix the situation, but they will partially compensate for it. At a number of enterprises, labor productivity can be increased by robotization and automation. There is no open information yet on how, for example, robots are installed at the Bryansk Automobile Plant. But there is story AvtoVAZ, which has been introducing mechanical assistants on the assembly line since the summer of 2024. It is still a long way from the level of BMW and Toyota, but it is becoming easier for workers, and the shortage of personnel does not affect production volumes as much. Of course, creating a windshield gluing mechanism for the Vesta and the BAZ truck are completely different things, but we should at least try.


There is a solution in further unification of the equipment produced. Let's briefly examine tank construction. Fortunately, in modern Russia there is no such variety of tank engines of fundamentally different designs, but even without this there are enough problems. In the material "Armored vehicles in the SVO: a critical analysis of the Ministry of Defense" There has already been talk about seven variants of power plants for armored vehicles. You can have different attitudes to this, but it certainly does not add speed to production and repair.

The bottom line is that we only have hope. That the problems voiced at the government and lawmakers level will be heard at the highest level. And that they will be solved not only by simply increasing the wage fund, but by systemic reforms in the industry. Unfortunately, there is a sad example of unsuccessful planning for the development of domestic civil aircraft manufacturing, and I really want to believe that there is nothing like this in the defense sector.
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  1. +49
    30 December 2024 04: 37
    Military-industrial complex-2024: personnel shortage becomes threatening

    It's always like this... First, everyone starts talking about the violated rights of teachers and their low salaries; then they move on to the lack of teaching staff in primary, higher and vocational education; the time comes and the conversation begins about the low pay of people who are engaged in productive work... Gradually, everyone decides that the education system is to blame, the lack of vocational training and wonders why there are no te:
    It's good for doctors, but better for workers. I'd like to become a worker, let them teach me.

    And as a result, it turned out that thirty-odd years of disregard for the working profession and the vocational school system have brought the country to a state of collapse where a very unprepared migrant can come to a call for a plumber...
    The Gaidar-Chubais program of buying everything and everyone did not work. In practice, it turned out that we can only buy Chinese consumer goods of average quality and millions of migrants, who are ready at any moment to transform themselves into "shooters from Moscow-City", a murderer of a general or some other rapist - a new "citizen of Russia" who does not want to pay his debt to the Fatherland...
    It's good that the country is digging through officials, oligarchs, and swindlers of all sorts as if through rubbish...
    Congratulations to everyone on the successful...
    It's boiling over!
    1. +35
      30 December 2024 06: 51
      Quote: yuriy55
      And as a result, it turned out that thirty-odd years of a disregard for the working profession and the vocational school system

      From the 30s until the collapse of the Union, the vocational education system worked properly. Established and developed under the communists, this system never failed.
      1. +23
        30 December 2024 10: 40
        Quote: carpenter
        From the 30s until the collapse of the Union, the vocational education system worked properly. Established and developed under the communists, this system never failed.

        Under Soviet rule, all vocational schools were attached to factories, and technical schools were listed under the relevant ministries.
        With the market, enterprises decided to economize on everything, the staff had to train themselves. So they economized.
        1. 0
          3 January 2025 15: 42
          That's right, there were specialized ministries. Until Mishustin returns to this system, everything will rot and collapse.
          1. 0
            6 January 2025 22: 44
            Until Mishustin returns to this system, everything will rot and collapse
            We have enough specialized ministries and committees without this. And the new bureaucratic apparatus will not get rid of the rot. There is no point for them in this. So there is no need to return anything that fell off as unnecessary.
      2. AAK
        +30
        30 December 2024 10: 42
        Well, yes, well... I can just imagine at Russian defense, aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, machine tool manufacturing and other enterprises, not to mention the nuclear or microelectronic industries, tens and hundreds of thousands of "skilled" workers from Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, not to mention Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc.... Really, it would be better to have criminals in production...
        1. +14
          30 December 2024 12: 17
          I increasingly see the above-mentioned "contingent" as supermarket security guards, couriers, or taxi drivers.
          They don't have the right mentality to work at a machine or to produce at all.
          1. AAK
            +21
            30 December 2024 12: 20
            Well, it is enough to remember the Tashkent aircraft plant... as the majority of Russian and Russian-speaking specialists were forced to leave, so it covered itself with a burgundy hat...
            1. +15
              30 December 2024 12: 23
              There is an epic video. How the bodies of two silts and wings and other things are taken out of there. The finale - the last trailer passes by and after it an old man on a cart pulled by a donkey. Purely medieval.
          2. +13
            30 December 2024 15: 14
            Quote: Tochilka
            More and more often I see supermarket security guards as either couriers or taxi drivers.

            Yes, because the salary of a courier or taxi driver is higher than that of a specialist like me, in a large government agency. crying
            1. -1
              31 December 2024 18: 05
              Well, why look at their salaries, at the couriers. We pay them ourselves, we are too lazy to go for pizza ourselves. We have no time. We think about production. About how the ships furrow the "Bolshoi Theater". Don't order delivery and you will save money.
              1. +5
                1 January 2025 12: 51
                Quote from SergLv
                Don't order delivery and you will save money.

                There will be no savings, delivery is free. The delivery price is included in the cost of the goods in five, BB, etc.
                1. 0
                  3 January 2025 21: 29
                  nonsense!
                  from the website of the delivery company "Samokat":
                  "..Free delivery of the Samokat service is provided only when placing an order for a certain amount. Not being fixed, it increases with the increase in the workload of the online store couriers. So, if during the day its cost is on average 200 rubles, then by the evening it can reach 1000 rubles.."
                  ***
                  As we can see, whether delivery is paid or not depends on the cost of the order.
                  I was recently riding in an elevator with a delivery guy (two full packages) and asked how much he would get from this delivery - the answer was "about 300 rubles."
                  Are you saying that if I buy these products in the store itself, then I will even reluctantly pay for delivery (to someone) in their price?
                  1. +1
                    4 January 2025 11: 54
                    Quote: ARKA-1985
                    nonsense!

                    No, it's not nonsense. You're just out of the loop. There are many ways to make shipping cost 0.
                    You wrote it yourself:"..Free shipping The Samokat service is provided only when placing an order for a certain amount." This is one of them.
                    But I haven't used a scooter. I use others, sometimes.
                2. -1
                  4 January 2025 00: 31
                  Go to a pizzeria, it's cheaper than delivery. And free is only you know what. So you and I vote for delivery and higher prices.
          3. +4
            30 December 2024 18: 25
            Why work hard at a machine tool if a security guard at a store gets paid a little less?
            1. 0
              30 December 2024 18: 56
              Quote: Jager
              Why work hard at a machine tool if a security guard at a store gets paid a little less?

              Security guards are one of the lowest paid professions. Here there was a need to earn extra money and it turned out that a general laborer at a construction site is much more profitable than a security guard. Both earn a little, but the general laborer turned out to be preferable.
              1. +4
                30 December 2024 23: 39
                Well, a general worker carries heavy things, strains himself. And a security guard sits around, chats with colleagues, picks on those who forgot their pass, basically does nothing. In terms of labor costs/salary, the security guard might win.
                1. +2
                  31 December 2024 10: 49
                  Yes, yes, I have a neighbor, already quite old, in security all his life, so he says: "You can't make me work, that's why I went into security"
                2. 0
                  31 December 2024 12: 42
                  Quote from alexoff
                  Well, the handyman carries heavy things, strains himself. And the security guard sits around in his pants

                  Well, I didn’t really try that hard, although yes, I didn’t have to sit around in my pants, and the gloves were more of a waste.
                  A security guard works with people. And working with people is the hardest job. Of course, it depends on the degree of interaction.
                  Quote from alexoff
                  In terms of labor costs/salary, the security guard might win.

                  If you already have a pension, then yes, you will definitely win.
                  1. 0
                    31 December 2024 13: 38
                    A security guard works with people.
                    Well, a nightclub security guard may indeed not be a very good job, escorting out drunk citizens. Or in a dorm. But those who work in organizations definitely don't strain themselves too much. People go to work, hello-goodbye. Often, inadequacy comes from security guards.
                3. 0
                  31 December 2024 20: 15
                  Work as a security guard at a factory checkpoint, jump around for 12 hours on trucks loaded with metal or other products, shovel through one and a half thousand invoices and passes and don't make a mistake. That's when you'll be able to talk about wearing out your pants. In someone else's hands, as we know, HE is always thicker.
                  1. +1
                    1 January 2025 01: 13
                    And how many of these guards are there checking invoices? Three percent? Five?
        2. -28
          30 December 2024 13: 24
          Dear Sir, what do you have against the residents of the North Caucasus? Do you want to say that they are dumber than you?
          We have already discussed the color of the fillet part of the body, sometimes it is whiter.
          1. +23
            30 December 2024 19: 51
            Dear Aslan! I do not paint everyone with the same brush. But I believe my eyes. There are no young people in your workshops. Not at all. They have been instilled with different values. Now, under strict control, they make wonderful fighters. They will never be workers.
            However, your Soviet old men are friendly and hardworking. The color of the stern has nothing to do with it.
            I explained it as best I could.
            1. -20
              31 December 2024 09: 08
              In what workshops did our youth work, if these workshops, in your opinion, were simply squandered by the Russians working in the government? They were workers under the USSR and are under the current government. The difference between Caucasians and Russians is in their mentality, as you say. After getting paid, a Russian will spend a long time catching up with shots. And a Russian will not work like Papa Carlo. He will simply say why do I need more if I already have enough for a bottle.
              1. +18
                31 December 2024 10: 19
                The same fairy tales, only from the side. If Russians are such slackers and alcoholics, then why did Russians build a huge country and a bunch of factories? But what have hardworking non-alcoholic mountain dwellers achieved? They love to work like Papa Karlo. Even now I don’t see any huge enterprises in the Caucasus. Like NLMK, Tula Arms Plant, Uralvagon Plant. When a separate proud nation gained independence, it couldn’t think of anything better than to take foreign specialists hostage. Who, by the way, came to them to set up cellular communications. And cut off the heads of these engineers, since they didn’t get any money. You can also look at Abkhazia. Russian alcoholics built a bridge to Crimea and are rebuilding the island itself. They are restoring Mariupol. They built bypass railways and gas pipelines. And Abkhazia gets a bunch of resources practically for free. And so it got stuck in 2008.
                So, enough of this fairy tale. If you haven't interacted with anyone other than alkans, then that's your problem.
                1. -7
                  31 December 2024 12: 26
                  I served in the army from the Pacific Ocean to the Baltic. I can compare with a lot of things.
                  How then to talk about Tatarstan or Bashkiria, Udmurtia and other Volga peoples. They are not Russian. Rotenberg built the Crimean bridge, but not Ivanov or Sidorov, Gazprom is probably run by Mikhailov, Sber is probably in the hands of Kozlov. I'll list them for you.
                  The Tula arms factory was founded by two Dutchmen.
                  The Uralvagon plant was built by the Soviet people, and not by just anyone.
                  During the USSR, the following were built in Kabardino-Balkaria:
                  1. -5
                    31 December 2024 12: 34
                    In Kabardino-Balkaria there are enterprises of electrical engineering, machine-tool building and tool-making, instrument-making and other industries. The largest of them are: the Sevkavelektropribor plant, telemechanical equipment, machine-building, machine-tool building, high-voltage equipment (Nalchik), diamond tools (Terek), cable, repair (Prokhladny), X-ray equipment (Maisky) and low-voltage equipment (Tyrnyauz).

                      On the eve of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-45, on the basis of rich tungsten-molybdenum ores, non-ferrous metallurgy was created, represented by the Tyrnyauz Mining and Metallurgical Plant with a hydrometallurgical plant in Nalchik.

                      In 1970, compared to 1940, the output of the building materials industry increased by 23,5 times. The building materials industry combines the production of reinforced concrete structures, building ceramics, wall materials, non-metallic materials and porous fillers, etc. There are reinforced concrete plants in Nalchik, Tyrnyauz, Prokhladny, Nartkala, brick plants in Prokhladny, Baksan, and a cement plant in Nalchik. The chemical industry is developing, including paint and varnish and tire repair production. Valuable beech wood is processed by local furniture enterprises (Nalchik furniture and woodworking company "Elbrus", Baksan and Prokhladny furniture factories, Nalchik, Maysky and Sovetsky woodworking plants), and is also sent in the form of semi-finished products to other furniture enterprises of the Soviet Union.

                      The share of light and food industry, based on the processing of local agricultural raw materials, accounts for 52,3% of the gross output, 23,2% of the value of fixed assets and 34,5% of the number of industrial and production personnel (1971). In 1970, compared with 1940, the gross output of the food industry increased by 5,3 times, and that of light industry by 17,8 times. The food industry consists of 15 branches, the most developed of which are: meat, butter and cheese making, confectionery, fruit and vegetable canning, oil milling, starch and molasses, and winemaking. The leading enterprises are the meat-packing plant, confectionery factory, dairy plant, butter factory in Nalchik, canning and wine factory in Nartkala, butter and cheese factory and wine factory in Prokhladny, etc.

                      Light industry includes textile, clothing, footwear, leather goods and other industries. A large enterprise is the Nalchik Iskozh combine (which unites an artificial leather plant, raincoat fabric factories and shoe cardboard factories), as well as the Druzhba knitwear factory, a sewing, shoe, leather goods factory in Nalchik, and a knitwear factory in Baksan.
                     
                  2. +9
                    31 December 2024 21: 47
                    I also spent my life in a remote village.
                    Rotenberg built it PERSONALLY? Did he develop the project? He is a financier. And who COST it? Oh well. Rotenberg. Certainly not Agdam Kavkazovich. Let's look at the Gazprom management if you really wanted to :)))).
                    Composition of the Board of Directors of PJSC Gazprom:

                    Viktor Alekseevich Zubkov is the chairman of the board of directors.
                    Alexey Borisovich Miller is Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors and Chairman of the Management Board of PJSC Gazprom.
                    Alexander Valentinovich Novak is Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation.
                    Viktor Georgievich Martynov - Rector of the University of Oil and Gas named after. Gubkina.
                    Vladimir Aleksandrovich Mau is the rector of the Academy of National Economy.
                    Andrey Igorevich Akimov is the Chairman of the Board of Gazprombank.
                    Dmitry Nikolaevich Patrushev is the Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation.
                    Timur Askarovich Kulibayev is the chairman of the Kazenergy association.
                    Vitaly Anatolyevich Markelov is Deputy Chairman of the Management Board of PJSC Gazprom.
                    Mikhail Leonidovich Sereda is Deputy Chairman of the Management Board of PJSC Gazprom.
                    Caucasians, well, one on one:))
                    It seems like Timur is something similar. But no. He is Kazakh:))
                    Look further
                    OJSC "Sevkavelektropribor" - Soviet plant We cross out according to YOUR LOGIC:))
                    The high-voltage equipment plant was organized in July 1962 on the basis of the Metallist plant. MISSING AGAIN:))
                    "Sevkavrentgen". USSR again :)))

                    Dear Sir, you were collecting something in a report all over the Caucasus. And I am simply telling you MY ONE CITY.
                    1 NLMK - Novolipetsk Metallurgical Plant. It alone covers everything you listed. So it is the size of FALL OF PARIS!! Its twin is the Mariupol plant.
                    2. The Lipetsk Tractor Plant has not survived the era of "stability" for the most part. But one of the largest plants in the USSR
                    3. Svobodny Sokol Plant (smokes like crazy)
                    4 Centrolit Plant,
                    5. Cement plant,
                    6. Machine tool plant (mostly closed in 2009)
                    7. Glass factory
                    I won't list those that "died" in the 2000s (although there was one pipe plant there, a pretty big production facility). I'll say it briefly. There were 5 of them.
                    Now the pulp is the Special Economic Zone.

                    As of the current date, 63 residents from 12 countries of the world (Russia, Austria, the Republic of Belarus, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Cyprus, the People's Republic of China, the Netherlands, the USA, Switzerland, Japan) have been registered. 33 residents are operating
                    For example, Yakohama tires are ours:))
                    Today, of course, the factories have changed official owners, but they are all still working:))

                    And this is for 500.000 population. :)))
                    Do you want me to tell you how many factories WERE in the Region? And there were radio equipment and hydraulic equipment production, even several tobacco factories and liquor and vodka factories. If you served, then you should have met the Yeletskaya and Gryazinskaya "prima".
                    Although even NOW we have the largest warehouse of the term "Coca-Cola" in the COUNTRY, as well as all sorts of little things - like the production of packaging for its products in Russia.
                    And for only 1 million people there are
                    Manufacturing enterprises, plants and factories located in Lipetsk region. 136 manufacturers found.


                    And if you've already started listing the growth rates in the USSR, compare them with other regions:)) For example, with Voronezh, Kursk, Nizhny Novgorod, Rostov. And not in relative but in absolute values. It's very easy to get a 10000% growth from nothing:))
                    1. -8
                      1 January 2025 10: 10
                      I don’t know what village you spent your life in.
                      I studied in a three-story school. I started on the first floor and finished on the third. For you it was probably the other way around, from top to bottom. It was probably hard to climb to the top for knowledge.
                      For the special t,,, it says Kabardino-Balkaria, and Agdam is in no way located in the Caucasus, and not even in Russia.
                      Here we call Russia a federation and not only Russians live here.
                      The North Caucasus is in the Russian Federation. And if you don't like it, you can write to Putin. The North Caucasus did not voluntarily join Russia, it was conquered, the Caucasian War ended in 1864. Putin's hope at the moment, if anything happens, is on Kadyrov.
                      Wagner's March showed how he is supported. And soon you, representatives of the titular nation, will be replaced by the inhabitants of Central Asia, and there is only one step left from extinction.
                      And in Lipetsk there are no longer 500000, less. And Russians are less than 77 percent.
                      1. +5
                        1 January 2025 19: 04
                        This is how I understood the topic: "stupid alkanes who created the country and industry, while workers were chasing sheep through the mountains and digging dungeons." Was there a leak?
                        At first they started writing all sorts of slogans and fairy tales. And when they switched to specifics, they suddenly realized that 99% of the industry of proud workers was created by stupid alcoholics. And that this industry was created in the USSR. And the hard-working workers have not been able to create anything serious even in 30 years of capitalism. Except for slogans that Russians are stupid alcoholics.
                        And even hints that there are no Russians in the management of industry in the Russian Federation also turned out to be empty chatter.
                        What now? An illiterate statement that
                        The North Caucasus did not voluntarily join Russia, it was conquered, the Caucasian War ended in 1864


                        Uncle. The North Caucasus is NOT ONLY Chechnya. :))
                        Okay. I'll explain to those on the third floor.
                        What territories became part of Russia voluntarily
                        Abkhazia
                        Territory: Principality of Abkhazia.
                        When: 1810.
                        Ossetia
                        Terms of the agreement: Until the formation of the Ossetian District in 1843, it maintained internal independence
                        Dagestan
                        1727 - the Avar ruler and the Kurin elders took the oath of allegiance to Russia in the Holy Cross fortress.
                        1731 - Andians accepted Russian citizenship.
                        1801 - the Kaytag utsmi Razi-bek, the Tabasaran ruler Sugrab-bek, and the Derbent khans Hasan-Ali and Sheikh-Ali appealed to the Russian Emperor Alexander I with a request to accept him as a subject.

                        1802 — the Caucasus Governorate was created with its center in the village of Georgievskaya. Early 1820s — the annexation of the Dagestani feudal possessions (Shamkhalate of Tarkov, Gazikumukh Khanate, Mekhtulin Khanate, Avar Nutsalate, Kaytag Utsmiystvo, Ilisuy Sultanate, Tabasaran Maisumstvo) to Russia is completed[50].
                        1806 - a delegation from the Dido Union of 12 rural communities-auls approached the Russian military command in the city of Telavi with a request to accept Russian citizenship.
                        1811 - the acceptance of the Akhtyparinsky, Dokuzparinsky, and Altyparinsky free societies into Russian citizenship was documented.
                        Ingushetia
                        On March 4-6, 1770, in front of a large crowd of people near the foothill village of Angusht, on a clearing with the symbolic name of "Barta-Bos" ("Slope of Consent"), an authoritative representative body of 24 elders solemnly took the oath. Academician I. A. Güldenshtedt was present at this event. That same year, the Ingush from the Tagaur Society signed an oath of acceptance of Russian citizenship[93]. Following the Angusht Society, in 1771, representatives of another Ingush society, the Karabulaks (Orstkhoitsy), signed an agreement with the Russian administration.

                        I think that's enough. It's already long enough for an article.

                        Maybe you again Is it worth visiting a 3-story educational institution?
                      2. +3
                        1 January 2025 23: 01
                        Data from the Federal State Statistics Service: in Russia, 82% of the population are Russian.
              2. +4
                2 January 2025 09: 25
                Quote: dimon642
                And the Russian will not work like Papa Carlo

                I have been working at the plant for 35 years. Both under the USSR and now, the main contingent is Russian. Other nationalities - 10%
              3. +2
                2 January 2025 13: 14
                None of my friends drink, they don't keep alcoholics, you can end up right outside the gates with a black mark, so don't write this about Russian alcoholics. Yes, the mortality rate is high among men, from heart attacks, strokes, night shifts.
          2. Alf
            +11
            30 December 2024 20: 47
            Quote: dimon642
            Dear Sir, what do you have against the residents of the North Caucasus? Do you want to say that they are dumber than you?
            We have already discussed the color of the fillet part of the body, sometimes it is whiter.

            Can you provide at least one photo of a ZhSA at a factory, at a machine or at a computer? There are plenty of them at the market and in the shawarma.
            1. -10
              31 December 2024 09: 14
              For the Russian individual I explain that there is a resident of Central Asia, there is a resident of the North Caucasus. Stupidity has no boundaries and it is a pity when this phenomenon affects a representative of the unique, there are no analogues, the smartest but who cannot live without someone who tells him how to live
              1. 0
                31 December 2024 16: 21
                Quote: dimon642
                I explain: there is a resident of Central Asia, there is a resident of the North Caucasus

                I do not argue, my comrade and colleague from the village of Kuli, the captain of the ship, his brother, the commander of the transport aviation regiment, their wives, children and grandchildren have higher education and work not in the market, but in production and education, and also serve in the ranks of the Armed Forces.
            2. -2
              31 December 2024 10: 50
              Quote: Alf
              Can you provide at least one photo of the ZhSA at the factory at the machine or at the computer?

              Of all the electricians I worked with, the most efficient was a Pashtun. By the way, Aliyev, Putin and Lukashenko bought furniture made in Tajikistan by local carpenters. The best woodworking plant in the former USSR is in Dushanbe. The fact that it is easier to train a worker from a Russian is due to the fact that under Stalin and Khrushchev, young people were still mobilized into vocational schools, where there was strict, virtually military discipline. People who went through vocational schools and vocational schools in the first years after the abolition of criminal liability for escaping from a vocational school kept tools at home and taught their children from infancy how to properly hold a drill and screwdriver. Now you can be surprised to meet a young man who at 16 or 20 years old picked up a screwdriver but worked in South Korea, Morocco and Turkey during the holidays. And he looks with surprise at an engineer who has never tried to find work abroad.
        3. +7
          30 December 2024 19: 34
          Quote: AAK
          Uzbekistan, etc....
          As for the Uzbeks, things are not so clear-cut. About 15 years ago I happened to be in South Korea, and there I was surprised to learn that there were a lot of... Uzbeks at shipbuilding plants. Mostly welders. Apparently, those highly skilled Uzbek welders who worked for the aircraft industry during the USSR did not want to work as janitors or traders, but found where they would be in demand. However, in Uzbekistan itself there have long been places where a skilled craftsman can put his hands. Oddly enough, the auto industry is well developed in Uzbekistan. Remember the Uz-Daewoo ad:
          "I don't like Americans, and I don't like the Japanese, and I don't like the French... I don't like the Swedes, the Finns. I like the Uzbeks. They start up well in the winter."
          .
          But besides Uz-Daewoo there are also:
          JSC "GM Uzbekistan". Production of Chevrolet and Ravon passenger cars.
          OOO "SamAvto". Production of buses, light trucks and special equipment.
          JV LLC "JV MAN Auto - Uzbekistan". Production of MAN trucks with a gross weight of 15 to 50 tons.
          JSC "GM Powertrain Uzbekistan". Production of DOHC engines with a volume of 1,2 and 1,5 liters.
          The automobile industry of Uzbekistan also includes enterprises producing various parts and components for cars.
          One of the main achievements of the Uzbek auto industry is the high level of localization of car production. For example, the average level of localization of the production of the most popular Matiz and Nexia cars is 65%, and the level of localization of Spark and Cobalt cars is 55%.
          But such Uzbeks don't come to us. But they come, as they say in Uzbekistan itself,
          "Our villagers are coming to you, and you can't trust them with anything except a donkey. In addition, every other one of them is a Wahhabis."
          negative
          1. +2
            31 December 2024 10: 55
            Quote: Seal
            But such Uzbeks don't come to us. But they come, as they say in Uzbekistan itself,

            Machine operators from Uzbekistan were already going to work in South Korea for $2005/month in 700.
          2. +2
            3 January 2025 17: 51
            I completely agree with you. I went to Uzbekistan in 18, talked to the locals a lot. I remember a student guy, a hostel worker. He knew and spoke 5 languages ​​freely, two more languages ​​are not many.
            We got to talking. As he told me, losers from Uzbekistan, who have neither an education nor a decent specialty, go to Russia. And educated people are quite in demand in Asian, European and American countries... Something like that...
        4. +4
          30 December 2024 21: 53
          Quote: AAK
          tens and hundreds of thousands of "skilled" workers from Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, not to mention Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc...

          It is precisely from the Caucasus region that the "workers" will come and work. The article says that they have real unemployment there. Do they like to work?
          1. +2
            1 January 2025 10: 12
            Half of our republic works in Moscow. 1
          2. +1
            3 January 2025 18: 14
            Quote: Starover_Z
            It is precisely from the Caucasus region that the "workers" will come and work. The article says that they have real unemployment there. Do they like to work?
            Some places love it, some don't. Even during the Soviet era, there were talks all over the country about brigades of Chechen day laborers who built huge cowsheds in two months. And these talks didn't come out of nowhere.
            Currently working in Chechnya:
            - the cement plant in Chiri-Yurt "Chechentsement", built back in Soviet times. The very one for which there were heavy battles in 1995. And which was completely destroyed. But now it has been restored.
            - Chechnya provides not only itself, but also neighboring regions with its famous yellow and red bricks. Thanks to the rich local clay deposits.
            - in Chechnya they produce the famous combat buggies "Chaborz" of their own design.
            - the village of Goyty is sometimes jokingly called the Chechen IKEA - there are so many local furniture manufacturers here. Furniture from here also goes beyond Chechnya.
            I haven’t touched on the food industry such as the Argun meat processing plant and others.
            About Dagestanis. On the submarine "Kursk" died a civilian specialist of the plant "Dagdizel" Mamed Gadzhiev, a native of Dagestan, who was in the first compartment.
            Oddly enough, most of the workers at Dagdizel are local residents.
            The problem is that in our Russian cities we see, as a rule, those Caucasians about whom the proverb about the family and the freak speaks. And they have many families. Accordingly, there are many of these very ones. These "special family members" do not like to work. hi :
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      3. +4
        30 December 2024 18: 05
        Quote: carpenter
        From the 30s until the collapse of the Union, the vocational education system worked properly. Established and developed under the communists, this system never failed.
        Not everything is so smooth. There were ups and downs. But it all ended in a fall. But it all started well. Even well. So on November 9, 1917, literally one day after the October Revolution, the Department of Professional Education was created in Soviet Russia, which united all professional schools, regardless of their form of ownership (departmental, state and private), content and teaching methods.
        In the most difficult conditions of the formation of the new state, famine and devastation, V. I. Lenin did not forget about the problems of youth education, and paid great attention to them. From under his pen came 40 Decrees on issues related to education, and 20 of them concerned vocational education. This is due to the fact that by the winter of 1919 it became clear that the country had an acute shortage of skilled workers. There was no doubt that the policy of "curtailing" vocational and technical schools was wrong.
        However, the government not only ignored the Standing Commission on Technical Education that existed until 1927, but also stripped it of all its powers. Moreover, on July 29, 1920, the Decree on Vocational Educational Duty came into effect, according to which all workers (from 10 to 40 years old) were required to study. With this Decree, the government of the young country wanted to destroy the technical illiteracy of the population in one fell swoop. FZU (factory apprenticeship) - vocational schools of a new type - began to be organized en masse throughout the country. FZU, which became the first vocational-political technical schools in the public education system of the USSR, were supposed to form a people's intelligentsia from the ranks of the working class and replenish technical schools and universities. But the government's expectations were not met, since FZU, oriented towards training a general worker, did not meet the needs of the constantly developing industry.
        In 1940, most of the FZU schools were reformed into FZO (factory and plant training) schools, and the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted the Decree on the GTR (State Labor Reserves). According to this decree, two types of educational institutions were established in the USSR:
        - FZO schools - for 6 months these schools were engaged in training workers for mass professions
        - railway and vocational schools - for two years these schools were engaged in training skilled workers.
        Thus, before the war, the Soviet state managed to provide the national economy with skilled workers, and the idea of ​​the GTR brilliantly stood the test of time.
        In the post-war years, the idea of ​​the GTR continued to be improved. In May 1946, the Main Directorate of Labor Reserves and the Committee for the Distribution of Labor were transformed into the Ministry of Labor Reserves, which allowed for the management of the training and distribution of skilled workers to be concentrated in one government agency. At the same time, much attention was paid to improving the professional level of the teaching staff of FZO schools and colleges. For this purpose, central courses for advanced training and improvement were created, where masters and educators studied issues of psychology and pedagogy.
        During 1959-1963, the FZO schools and vocational-technical educational institutions created according to the USSR GTR system were transformed into vocational-technical schools (PTU), the duration of study in which depended on the complexity of the specialization (from 1 to 3 years). In other words, The vocational schools and trade schools, which enabled the Soviet Union to cope with the devastation of the post-war years, were completely liquidated, and the labor reserve system was replaced by a rather ineffective system of vocational education.
        As a result, the concept arose in the USSR "limiters"Moscow and Leningrad, being giant industrial centers, pumped out labor resources "from the provinces". But by the end of the 1970s, even the limited workers were not enough. Vietnamese had to be brought in. By the end of the 1980s, thousands of Vietnamese worked at such giants as "ZIL"; "AZLK"; "VAZ" and others. Well, and after the collapse of the USSR, the situation worsened even more. The Vietnamese left for their homeland or went into trade. Thousands of non-state universities proliferated, and state ones began to open all sorts of "legal"; "economic"; "political"; "managerial" and other faculties. As a result, we have lawyers, economists and all sorts of managers like dogs, and there is no one to work in production.
        1. +3
          30 December 2024 21: 10
          Quote: Seal
          As a result, we have lawyers, economists and all kinds of managers like there are no dogs left, and there is no one to work in production.

          That's true. The education system has finally separated from employers. It's surprising that people still go to study to become economists and lawyers. I don't understand that. Okay, thirty years ago, when there was a short-term demand for them, but now it's unclear why they go. As a result, two generations have already been lost. Thirty or twenty years ago, most of the best went to study to become "managers", now most of them are dropouts in other professions.
          On the essence of the news text. For the second year now they have been blabbering about the shortage of personnel, while I have not heard of a single program of free professional retraining.
      4. Qas
        +3
        31 December 2024 02: 36
        But our most important one claims that we only produced "galoshes".
      5. +1
        31 December 2024 16: 12
        I will say that vocational education is prohibited by law. Will you believe it?
    2. +8
      30 December 2024 11: 53
      The shortage of highly skilled workers is not only a problem in Russia. It is everywhere now, no one wants to be a turner or a milling machine operator, or a welder. Everyone wants to be a lawyer, a manager, and a blogger)))
      1. +16
        30 December 2024 12: 21
        I read the local newspaper, the official government, so to speak. The technical institute I graduated from opened another department this year. Where they will teach the "most in-demand" specialty. Psychologists.
        At the same time, on the next page dedicated to the city's industry - there is a shortage of qualified personnel, pensioners are running out, there is no replenishment and none is expected.
        1. +1
          30 December 2024 15: 11
          In many technical universities, to please the market, they opened humanities departments. If there will be demand for technical specialties and, accordingly, there will be a drop in chatter, they will be closed.
          1. +6
            30 December 2024 16: 41
            IMHO, there is no need to breed gumiks on purpose. The required number can always be recruited from techies: two weeks - and an accountant will come out. But the other way around, alas, will never work.
            1. -1
              30 December 2024 20: 37
              An accountant can be made in two weeks, just like a tomato can be made from shit. People there gain experience over the years.
              1. P
                +3
                30 December 2024 20: 51
                in a system where accounting is set up, accountants are not needed, except for primary documentation (and even that should ideally die)
                1. -3
                  30 December 2024 21: 21
                  I might as well say that people are not needed in a factory - robots should do everything.
                  1. P
                    +2
                    30 December 2024 21: 28
                    and they should. Most large, medium-complexity parts, like truck frames, have long been made by robots. They have long been able to carry out assembly. Robots mastered the assembly and assembly of kits/delivery almost first at ZIL. People should service robots, but this will not last forever
                  2. 0
                    6 January 2025 23: 05
                    Actually, look at the root. The notorious I Musk seemed to be able to build a machine for producing cars.
              2. +2
                30 December 2024 23: 42
                What kind of experience is that? Not to forget anything in 1C tables and not get into trouble for expenses?
              3. 0
                6 January 2025 23: 03
                An accountant can be made in two weeks, just like a tomato can be made from shit. People there gain experience over the years.
                Two weeks is too much. But there are several examples of people who decided to quit technical specialties and went into accounting. The change of occupation did not take much time. Moreover, now many things are automated and standardized. Accountants no longer run around with floppy disks and piles of papers on tax and pension issues. With the advent of normal AI models, many experiences accumulated over the years have become even more accessible.
            2. 0
              31 December 2024 10: 28
              And how is an accountant a humanities person? Does he write articles there? Does he study languages ​​or paint pictures?
              A person communicates with mathematics more closely than 99% of so-called techies. Half of whom do not know what the number pi is and cannot calculate the volume of a hole. Or if he does not roll blanks by hand, then he is not a techie?
        2. +1
          31 December 2024 16: 16
          Anything is better than being a ufologist. And you can't really find much work these days. I remember I came to the plant as a limited worker in personnel, in the evening. They said, come in the morning and I'll be at the machine. That was 52 years ago. And now they teach you to be a welder for money.
      2. +4
        30 December 2024 12: 28
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The shortage of highly skilled workers is not only a problem in Russia. It is everywhere now, no one wants to be a turner or a milling machine operator

        This is a problem for any capitalist state. Not everyone can create with their hands, but you can learn to chat. Speculation under capitalism has always been and will be a priority... In the USSR, they understood this, so those who counted other people's money did not earn as much as the producers of goods.
        In addition, the mentality of a working man has changed significantly to the mentality of a profiteer...That's where all the chaos comes from.
        1. 0
          30 December 2024 15: 08
          But I don't see anything complicated - pay people of working specialties a normal salary, there will be those who want it. A friend of mine, a welder - ship assembler, works in Clyde, 40 pounds sterling per hour, overtime 50, and overtime almost constantly, because a welder's working day is 6 hours + Saturday.
          1. +5
            30 December 2024 16: 29
            Quote: TermNachTER
            But I don’t see anything difficult - pay people in blue-collar jobs a normal salary, there will be people willing to do it.

            Pay. They can't do it yet. Or maybe they don't want to - because then who would sign a contract? If it's no worse in "civilian life".
            Quote: TermNachTER
            A friend of mine, a welder - a ship assembler, works in Clyde, 40 pounds sterling per hour, overtime 50, and overtime almost constantly, because a welder's working day is 6 hours + Saturday.

            Not everyone lives in Clyde and works for such wages. Some even stayed in Russia.
            By the way, how are you there? Are you comfortable? Showing patriotism from afar?
            1. +1
              30 December 2024 18: 43
              Well, if delivery couriers are paid 100 tons, what's stopping them from paying the same amounts to workers at the plant? As I understand it, a magic kick from the FSB (Prosecutor's Office) is needed. As an example, I told my friend that a highly qualified worker is in demand and in great demand everywhere.
              1. 0
                6 January 2025 23: 17
                Nobody will raise wages, so as not to cause an increase in inflation - a mantra that is repeated by everyone from businessmen to government officials. But no one is going to update the material and technical base either. Because this will require more highly qualified personnel, who need to be paid a lot of money. And you can't pay money, the details are in the mantra. Therefore, workers and employees are paid so that they can live and gradually become more and more comfortable, practically the entire technical infrastructure of the state is based on ancient technologies. Whoever thinks that this is not so, we will arrange a communal accident for him.
                The question is different. Where does the money go if not for wages and not for updating the material and technical base?
            2. -1
              6 January 2025 23: 38
              Someday I will tell you how and where I live, but not now.
              1. -2
                7 January 2025 00: 56
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Someday I will tell you how and where I live, but not now.

                Cancer will also whistle on the mountain someday)))
          2. 0
            31 December 2024 16: 18
            You are talking about an exception to the rule. I will say that earning money is prohibited by law. And there have always been exceptions.
          3. 0
            6 January 2025 23: 08
            But I don’t see anything difficult in paying people in blue-collar jobs a normal salary,
            There really are no difficulties. You need desire. I have not seen anyone willing yet. I have not even heard of such people willing.
        2. 0
          30 December 2024 17: 41
          Which did not prevent the United States from being the world's leading economy and winning the Cold War.
          Communism didn't work out, now they're touching capitalism.
      3. +17
        30 December 2024 16: 19
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The shortage of highly skilled workers is not only a problem for Russia.
        There is no shortage of highly skilled workers, there is a shortage of low-paid highly skilled workers
        1. -1
          30 December 2024 18: 44
          Well, it's always been like that. No bourgeois will pay more than necessary. So a magic kick from the FSB (Prosecutor's Office) is needed.
          1. 0
            6 January 2025 23: 22
            No bourgeois will pay more than necessary
            Do the bourgeoisie also pay wages to doctors, police officers, and firefighters? To teachers? To ambulance drivers, to drivers of passenger transport? To those same workers from the water utility, who dig dead earth in water for knees, do the bourgeoisie also throw scraps of food so that they don’t end up in poverty?
            1. -1
              6 January 2025 23: 37
              What prevents a doctor, a policeman, a fireman from leaving the civil service and working in a private office where they pay more? As for policemen, a friend of mine who lives in Wisconsin has a neighbor who is a policeman, a detective of the 2nd class. So, his salary is also not millions. There are two advantages - state insurance and upon retirement, smart policemen are already awaited by security firms, detective agencies, bank security services, etc., where salaries are much more serious.
              1. 0
                7 January 2025 00: 06
                They are leaving. This is especially noticeable in small towns and rural areas. There are no commercial paid clinics where you can earn extra money. Many move to big cities, or, like in Moscow, go to work for a week.

                Security services of banks, etc.
                After a number of major leaks of personal data and ongoing minor leaks, banks and operators are not very eager to take on former employees due to the weak IT skills of the overwhelming majority and their constant desire to create a semblance of a zone. Many IT specialists are not very happy about this and easily change their place of work. They can generally work from home or leave the country altogether. After turnover fines were introduced for such flights, up to and including imprisonment, there were no more willing ones either.
                1. 0
                  7 January 2025 09: 22
                  If someone thinks that the problem of low wages is only a problem in Russia, I want to disappoint you - this is a problem everywhere. No one will shove wads of dollars into your pockets just because you are a cool guy. And in Europe, and in America, to earn a normal income - you have to "plow". And this is not Putin's propaganda - this is information from my friends and acquaintances. I will give a simple example - New Year))) Olga, a waitress in a restaurant near Saint-Nazaire, celebrated the New Year at work, the restaurant was open until 2 am. She gets 2200 euros in hand, 12 hours on her feet - shift, 6 days a week. I can give more examples.
                  1. 0
                    12 January 2025 21: 49
                    If anyone thinks that the problem of low wages is only a problem in Russia, I want to disappoint you: it is a problem everywhere.
                    And you think that is why we should focus on these issues and follow the path -
                    Both in Europe and in America
                    ?

                    I'll give you a simple example - New Year's))) Olga
                    I can give examples of how a trauma center works on New Year's Eve and New Year's Eve. Their shifts are 24 hours long. Only the profession of a waiter does not require higher medical education, residency and several years of practice. You don't care what education a Chaldean has, but you definitely want experienced, competent and educated doctors.
                    Screw it, let's approach it from a different angle. What risks does your New Year's Olga have to face in her work? Drunk clients, wayward clients, boorish people, a sluggish kitchen, a slow administrator? All these passengers are a vacation compared to an emergency room. And doctors sometimes risk their health, and sometimes their lives. Last year, there was a case when a stoner from toxicology beat a doctor to death at his workplace.
                    Ask your friend if she is ready to change her job as a waitress to that of a nurse? I have seen transitions from medicine to other specialties, but I have never seen the opposite cases.
                    1. 0
                      12 January 2025 23: 30
                      When a person goes to study to become a doctor, he must understand where he is going. A good doctor will be snatched up in a private clinic, where the salaries are higher.
                      1. 0
                        19 January 2025 20: 40
                        A good doctor would be snapped up by a private clinic where the salaries are higher.
                        It is called survivor's mistake. Second - are there many private and well-off clinics in the suburbs, villages and towns? Or will the specialists there be frankly bad?
                      2. 0
                        19 January 2025 22: 37
                        Here we are talking about the fact that doctors' salaries are small. So you have to go where the salaries are big. But a private clinic will only hire a highly qualified doctor, not a recent intern. As for the suburbs, villages and farms, do you think the situation is better in Europe? Not at all, people wait for operations for months.
        2. 0
          31 December 2024 16: 20
          Very well said. I will only add that it is prohibited by law to work.
      4. +4
        31 December 2024 00: 25
        not true. I would go there if the salary was normal, 8 hour day, growth prospects or reduction of labor costs with time and experience. Now I work as a tester, I get 75 before deductions or 65 net, if they offered 120-140 thousand - I would go.
      5. 0
        6 January 2025 22: 40
        Shortage of highly skilled workers
        In Russia there is a shortage of educated, highly qualified, responsible, low-paid specialists.

        It's everywhere now, no one wants to be a turner or a milling machine operator, or a welder. Everyone wants to be a lawyer, a manager, or a blogger.
        It's easier to go as a courier. The dress code is free, as is the work schedule. The salary can be higher than that of some lawyers and managers.
    3. +11
      30 December 2024 12: 07
      Quote: yuriy55
      thirty plus years

      capitalist optimization are bearing fruit. Soon it will be impossible to master the production of galoshes. Lawyers and bankers in power can only create papers, and lousy ones at that.
      1. +2
        30 December 2024 17: 39
        Somehow capitalism didn't stop the US from winning the Cold War and being ahead of the rest of the world. Maybe the problem isn't capitalism, but something else?
        1. +9
          30 December 2024 19: 03
          Quote: NordOst16
          Somehow capitalism didn't stop the US from winning the Cold War and being ahead of the rest of the world. Maybe the problem isn't capitalism, but something else?

          It's about competition. During the Cold War, capitalism competed with socialism and had to endure the costs of that competition. There was no competition and the capitalist's profit became the only option.
          1. -2
            30 December 2024 19: 44
            Now the PRC has appeared and, perhaps, it will start all over again.
            1. 0
              30 December 2024 19: 47
              Quote: NordOst16
              Now the PRC has appeared and, perhaps, it will start all over again.

              When is now?
              1. +1
                30 December 2024 19: 50
                When the Chinese economy became the first/second in the world and the US bit the bullet. I think against the backdrop of the confrontation with China, the US may well start a new round of struggle.
                1. 0
                  30 December 2024 19: 53
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  When China's economy became the first/second in the world

                  Ah, well, if you look at it that way, then I agree.

                  Quote: NordOst16
                  I think, against the backdrop of the confrontation with China, the United States may well begin a new round of struggle.

                  Actually, Trump with his "Make America Great Again" is an attempt to start this round. It is strange that in the states themselves there are a lot of opponents of such a fight...
                  1. 0
                    30 December 2024 21: 12
                    Quote: bot.su
                    It's strange that in the States themselves there are a lot of opponents of such a fight...

                    I don't know exactly what this is connected with. Maybe some people think that this is bravado and the States can't handle a conflict (NOT armed) according to the 20th century patterns and it is necessary to act differently. Maybe some people are already living well and they think why start a fight in a courtroom (which is partly similar to our situation). Or maybe something else.
        2. +5
          30 December 2024 23: 45
          The US has advanced capitalism, while we built a peripheral one like "Dunno on the Moon". Their capitalists built the Panama Canal with their own money and handed it over to the state, while we have exactly the opposite.
          1. -2
            31 December 2024 00: 19
            And it took at least a century to form. So, I hope we can do it too.
            1. +2
              31 December 2024 00: 52
              Americans are not fools and they nip their competitors in the bud
              1. -1
                31 December 2024 03: 03
                Of course, but this process is not completely effective, so there are always options. Otherwise, there would be no examples of confrontation between large economic and political blocs.
                1. +2
                  31 December 2024 03: 53
                  There is no such confrontation visible now, rather the Americans are facing an internal crisis and are trying to solve it at the expense of most countries, and they are resisting very weakly, practically in no way. In the EU 25 years ago, salaries were like in the US, now they are half as much and young specialists are pouring out of the EU to the US in a wide stream along with factories. The same can be said about Japan, Korea and other Taiwans. The Chinese policy of confrontation is some kind of pathetic currying favor with a muscleman before his boss and draining all potential allies. The Russian Federation with its current elites is a threat to the US that tends to zero in military terms and a negative threat in economic terms. Our entire war for them is a demonstrative flogging for the whole world about what will happen if someone goes against them. They lost more in Afghanistan than in Ukraine
              2. -1
                31 December 2024 11: 01
                Quote from alexoff
                Americans are not fools and they nip their competitors in the bud

                If 5 years ago the US exported 20-30% more cars than China, then in 2024 China exported approximately 4 times more cars than the US.
                1. +2
                  31 December 2024 13: 41
                  Well, they say that the Chinese will attack Taiwan in 3-4 years, and therefore they need to prepare a blockade of China and impose sanctions, they are preparing to wipe it out.
      2. -1
        30 December 2024 21: 27
        Quote: atos_kin
        Quote: yuriy55
        thirty plus years

        capitalist optimization are bearing fruit. Soon it will be impossible to master the production of galoshes. Lawyers and bankers in power can only create papers, and lousy ones at that.

        And you create a nail production.
        Maybe you'll be interested in the topic.
        You will learn how and why two Chinese mega-factories have a production capacity that is twice as large as the world consumption of nails and screws, of absolutely all types and sizes...
        And then try to compete with them.
      3. 0
        31 December 2024 16: 23
        I can't say anything about galoshes, but I stopped producing one product because the rubber started to be made crappy. It broke in an aggressive environment.
      4. 0
        6 January 2025 23: 27
        At the same time, China has become a world factory with capitalist methods. Soon India will join in with capitalist methods too. Maybe it's not about the methods of running the economy (capitalism, socialism, communism), but about the people? There they wanted and they could. But for us, something and someone is always in the way (Lawyers and bankers)
    4. +1
      30 December 2024 17: 37
      but we have a lot of lawyers if the West starts making borscht we will sue them until we get colic )))) and there are also managers who sell buckets there are even managers of cleaning companies manager Lyudmila Ivanovna and manager Lyuska are both technical and chief executives well what did you expect after all we will buy our own production in the West why
    5. P
      -1
      30 December 2024 17: 37
      within the state, this is a sell-off of assets and eating up depreciation charges. For such antics, the owner of the office takes the director away with his whole family, and the next morning, many belts magically appear on the farm, and the distant wasteland turns out to be beautifully fertilized
    6. +1
      30 December 2024 18: 35
      And as a result, it turned out that thirty-odd years of disregard for the working profession and the vocational school system have brought the country to a state of collapse where a very unprepared migrant can come to a call for a plumber...


      By the way, recently in vocational schools/technical schools/colleges, at least in Novosibirsk, there has even been a competition for cooks, welders, milling machine operators/turners, etc. And in the motor transport college (or technical school) there was a huge competition for at least 10-15 years. And in my opinion, the main reason for the shortage of personnel is the size of wages.
    7. +1
      31 December 2024 02: 59
      The PTO system and its derivatives cannot work under capitalism with robotization - work is not guaranteed. Robotization and additive manufacturing were introduced - and the worker was fired. Young people in Russia know this - it is better to study to be a cook or a hairdresser, a plumber than to be a turner or a mechanic.

      In America there are no such professions as fitter, milling machine operator, turner, welder - there is a metalworker. And they are a rare commodity, starting with "apprentice". Colleges provide a general education in metalworking, always with IT and CNC, and hours of practice in the areas.

      So professional education under capitalism is very ambiguous. Even a car mechanic is not a guarantee for a job - you have to retrain. In a word, specialization occurs in production, where they hire very carefully, most often through trade unions. Also, in the Army there are many technical specialties - and from there, already trained, experienced workers come to civilian life.
      1. 0
        31 December 2024 16: 33
        Still, the problem is the availability of enterprises (food base). Aeyo has been seriously exterminated since 1992.
    8. 0
      6 January 2025 22: 34
      And as a result, it turned out that thirty-odd years of a disregard for the working profession and the vocational school system
      The vocational school system was primarily intended for the rapid supply of machine operators (turners, milling machine operators, fitters, grinders) from among the illiterate population from rural areas. Those who completed a four-year school at best. Nowadays, vocational schools are as useless as locomotives in the Moscow metro. You can close these lyceums, colleges and whatever they are now called with a clear conscience.
      Vocational schools are a mausoleum in the education system. You can only go there on excursions.
  2. +26
    30 December 2024 05: 03
    We have workers. But they are scattered among chain stores, auto repair shops, car washes. You can make money on the Internet, or on bets. And we developed an aversion to factories even earlier. And someone is engaged in mining, mining cryptocurrency. It eats up a lot of electricity, though. This is nothing, we will spread the payment for it among the entire population. When we meet, they ask how much you earn. And everywhere they ask if you work. If you work, then you are provided for. And in the end. Still, mobilization is again coming from the workers. You can deny it. But in essence, this is so.
    1. +19
      30 December 2024 09: 37
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      We have workers. But they are scattered among chain stores, auto repair shops, car washes.

      If there aren't enough workers for the military, then why bother assembling Chinese junk cars?
      Here we were assembling BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen... They said, supposedly, we are raising the auto industry, and now these are our cars! And where did all this end up in 2022? Remind me, please!

      Whining about shortages is already pretty annoying. I want to remind you that we have capitalism. Under which, as we know, there is no shortage. And everything is regulated by price. Not enough workers - pay. Not enough specialists - train them.

      High salaries in the military-industrial complex in 2022 have already attracted a huge number of workers there. But that high salary in 2022 is not so high in 2024. And in 2025 we can expect even higher prices in stores, in payments, receipts. Raise salaries, greedy capitalists! And stop whining.
      1. +3
        30 December 2024 10: 08
        You are not quite right. Now it is young people in cities with a population of over a million who are well off with their parents. No one will go to work at a factory for any amount of money.
        1. 0
          30 December 2024 13: 02
          No one will go to the factory for any amount of money.


          You make a categorical statement that can be easily refuted with one counterargument. Young people go to factories and even people in wagons retraining from "manager" to fitter/milling machine operator and there are enough examples.
        2. +1
          30 December 2024 15: 22
          When the mobilization was announced, the herds were rushing to us. At least for some kind of work. Then, when it calmed down, everyone also ran away to their holes.
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            30 December 2024 17: 42
            that is, only under the threat of death, perceived as real. As soon as the reality of death receded, the crowd disappeared
            1. -4
              30 December 2024 17: 50
              as I heard from veterans of the Great Patriotic War, they came to our school and told us, about those who came running and were scared, they said - skins. hare souls.
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                30 December 2024 17: 54
                Don't confuse the USSR, which pulled hundreds of millions out of poverty, illiteracy and everyday syphilis, with the Russian Federation, which is furiously pulling them all back. A person has no obligations to the ruling class of the Russian Federation and not fulfilling them, except under the threat of immediate punishment, is absolutely normal and correct.
        3. 0
          30 December 2024 21: 32
          Quote: Dave36
          You are not quite right. Now it is young people in cities with a population of over a million who are well off with their parents. No one will go to work at a factory for any amount of money.

          They will go when the salary is twice as high as the courier's.
          But couriers will also get a raise. Accordingly, the wage race will continue.
          Couriers are paid very well not only here, but also in America.
          Because there is a huge demand for courier delivery.
          People stop going shopping.
          This cannot be taken away.
          And I hope no one is smart enough to ban VB, Ozon, and home delivery of groceries.
        4. 0
          30 December 2024 23: 49
          In cities with a population of over a million, there are usually no factories left to work in.
      2. +7
        30 December 2024 10: 34
        Raise wages, greedy capitalists!


        Raise workers' wages?
        This is not their method.

        "During the investigative actions within the framework of the criminal case on abuse of official powers contrary to the interests of the service in the execution of the state defense order, more than 15 searches were conducted in relation to GABTU officials both in the department itself and at the addresses of actual residence of the department officials. Also, during the searches, in addition to the seized documents that are important for the investigation, a mobile phone was seized from General Shalenyi, who is a witness in the case."

        The Main Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (GABTU MO) is intended for planning the construction, development of the tank-technical and auto-technical support system of the Armed Forces (TTO and ATO), organization of TTO and ATO, as well as for determining the military-technical policy in the field of development, operation, repair of armored weapons and equipment and military automotive equipment (BTVT, VAT) and its implementation in the established manner in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1460138


        "...the imbalance is huge: 2024 thousand units planned for 36 and 1,7 million last year..."
        Why is there such an imbalance in the supply of units of equipment in 2023 and 2024? The answers to this question will be provided by the discovered accounts and real estate of high-ranking employees of the Main Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (GABTU MO)
      3. 0
        30 December 2024 13: 25
        Everything about capitalism is spot on, I gave it a plus
        But there is still one nuance: if you have 10 vacancies, but only seven unemployed people, then you will not be able to fill all the vacancies, no matter how much you raise salaries.
        The main problem is the lack of people in the labour market.
        1. 0
          31 December 2024 15: 12
          Quote: Reporter
          But there is still one nuance: if you have 10 vacancies, but only seven unemployed people, then

          There is a nuance in how developed countries act in this case. And China, among others. Automation and robotization of production processes. In our country, all this is at a low world level.

          Another nuance. A lot of people in the country are busy with God knows what, but not productive work! Security guards, lawyers, managers, accountants... Their name is Legion! But in the USSR there was no such ugly imbalance. And most people worked in production!

          So, here it is. Raising wages in production would draw these "useless" people into useful creative production of real products. What do you think about this?
          1. +1
            2 January 2025 20: 09
            Off topic. The correct spelling is "nuance", not "nuance".
            1. +1
              2 January 2025 20: 11
              Thank you. I'm really ashamed of my spelling.
              1. 0
                2 January 2025 20: 58
                You're welcome. It's okay, I sometimes make mistakes in the text myself. And sometimes my smartphone makes them for me when I type.)
      4. +2
        30 December 2024 15: 35
        Quote: Stas157
        There is a shortage of specialists - train them.

        Yes, I agree, only after I train him (two years) he will go to a better place. And I can't pay him more, I'm not a capitalist, I'm a government agency.
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          +1
          30 December 2024 17: 43
          Well, it's a market, and the death of ineffective people is welcomed
        2. 0
          31 December 2024 00: 31
          pffff. Easily solved - a training contract and fines. I've been hearing this mantra from all IT areas for 6 years, the howl is still going on that they don't have enough personnel, but in reality no one wants to train. It should arise on its own...
      5. 0
        31 December 2024 16: 37
        But there was and is no capitalism in Russia. Anything but capitalism. Or can a system of destroying the Russian people be called capitalism? The natural population decline since 1992 is more than 17 million people.
      6. +1
        1 January 2025 10: 22
        I am a retired military man, a radio electronics engineer. At the moment, there are a lot of specialties.
        Why should I go to work as an engineer for 30 thousand, where I have to go to work every day. I can work as a security guard and earn more and also do some extra work as an electrician, roofer, furniture maker, etc.
    2. +12
      30 December 2024 10: 25
      What the state "cultivates" is what it gets.
      1. P
        +4
        30 December 2024 17: 43
        a revolutionary situation is always created by the ruling class
    3. +4
      30 December 2024 11: 47
      We have workers. But they are scattered among chain stores, auto repair shops, car washes.

      At best, these people know Russian, they perceive design and production at the level of a Lego constructor. As for cryptocurrency, the use of which is being pushed by bankers led by G. Gref, this is the executioner of the real economy, a multitude of processors add, subtract numbers and as a result of these operations, money is obtained. Something out of nothing, some kind of magic.
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        30 December 2024 17: 45
        this magic is much better than those non-cash money that are created by the central bank together with the banks. There is a mechanism under it that prohibits the creation of money without a mat basis, which is finite
        1. +2
          30 December 2024 18: 35
          There is a mechanism underneath it that prohibits the creation of money without a material basis, which is finite.
          That's right, whoever mined first is the "king of the mountain", and what he produced, he just scattered. This is the trick akin to printing dollars without any security, the same balls only in profile.
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            30 December 2024 18: 37
            Yes, that's true. However, it's much more honest than the ruble, which is diluted by half every few years.
        2. 0
          30 December 2024 19: 14
          Quote: Pandemic
          There is a mechanism underneath it that prohibits the creation of money without a material basis, which is finite.

          But only the central bank can mine non-cash money of the central bank. And anyone can mine cryptocurrency. What will happen if every second person starts doing this?
          Maybe it's better to let the state continue to mine non-cash currency through the hands of the central bank? Or let's take a risk, anarchy in matters of monetary policy! How romantic. Anarchists were also in fashion at the beginning of the 20th century. They just ended badly.
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            30 December 2024 19: 17
            that any miner is not a problem with the exponential increase in mining complexity, got his coin, recorded a bunch of transactions, supported the accounting and settlement system. There is no anarchy. There is prevention of withdrawal of funds by diluting the money supply with unsecured money
            1. 0
              30 December 2024 19: 24
              Quote: Pandemic
              There is no anarchy. There is a prohibition of withdrawal of funds by diluting the money supply with unsecured money

              What, excuse me, are bitcoins backed by?
              Now, if Ukraine had lard-bitcoins instead of the current hryvnias, then after our attacks on the energy infrastructure, how would they be doing with finances? They would argue about what to turn off - the machines that make shells or the lard-bitcoins that print? Not to mention that neither processors nor video cards are made in Ukraine. Complete dependence on imports. By the way, it's the same with us.
              So what are "bitcoins" backed by? Maybe gold? Maybe commodity mass?
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                30 December 2024 19: 26
                Everything that backs up rubles + infrastructure for exchange transactions with storage nodes + complexity
                1. 0
                  30 December 2024 19: 32
                  Quote: Pandemic
                  With the same things that rubles are backed by

                  So let it be rubles. The transition to "bitcoin rubles" will not give anything except additional costs for
                  Quote: Pandemic
                  infrastructure of exchange operations with storage nodes + complexity

                  What is the bonus from additional expenses? After all, nothing prevents increasing the money supply. Reoriented an additional power unit of some nuclear power plant, purchased additional equipment and printed.
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                    30 December 2024 19: 35
                    You don't understand what we're talking about. The increase in the bitcoin money supply is not infinite, the complexity and cost of computing units grow infinitely with non-infinite units created. You will be able to create a financial settlement center that perfectly supports the exchange network, you will get some bitcoins, but nothing more.
                    1. 0
                      30 December 2024 21: 12
                      Quote: Pandemic
                      You don't understand what we're talking about. The increase in the Bitcoin money supply is not infinite, the complexity and cost of computing units grow infinitely with non-infinite units created.

                      It is unlikely that Bitcoin will become someone's national currency. And the creation of, say, a digital ruble may surprise you. What limits the finite number of Bitcoins? Does this limitation have an objective material basis? No, this is a subjective decision of the creators of the cryptocurrency.
                      So it's you who don't understand what we're talking about.
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                        30 December 2024 21: 25
                        it was not created as a national one, but its very existence creates obstacles to uncontrolled printing of money, the number of bitcoins is limited by the algorithm of their creation, the algorithm is quite material, just like the law of gravity. The algorithm and methods of disseminating information about transactions are not ideal, but this does not matter, because, I repeat, they create an alternative to central banks - scammers
                      2. 0
                        30 December 2024 21: 29
                        Quote: Pandemic
                        I repeat, they are creating an alternative to the fraudulent central banks

                        No, they are not creating an alternative to central banks.
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                        30 December 2024 21: 32
                        quite create. Bitcoin, as a means of exchange, including for ensuring cross-border transactions, has already firmly entered into circulation. As a means of accumulation, it is controversial, but in the conditions of a war, provided by emission (theft of funds from fiat money holders), it becomes EXTREMELY in demand
              2. 0
                30 December 2024 23: 51
                Bitcoins are backed by speculators' belief that Bitcoins will rise in price. And another five percent by the need to pay for all sorts of shady deals.
  3. +6
    30 December 2024 05: 37
    They bought more! Capitalism rules! There is another way out of a difficult situation. Many remember those who lived in the USSR - work at enterprises that were not part of their profile... consumer goods, cooperation with others... and most importantly - the DEFENSE INDUSTRY!!! There were military representatives who accepted this product very harshly! One example - in Yaroslavl, YAZTA is quite a good plant... with military representatives. Where is it now... oh!!! The plant was quickly destroyed, now in its place is the DYNASTY residential complex... for the rich!
    There is only one way out now - to put pressure on our owners... factories... plants! Or is the Fatherland not in danger? The governor receives a plan for the region to produce military products and distributes them among enterprises. He is the only one to be held accountable! And how to influence... read about Minin, how he made the rich fork out for the militia. Any means are good, or is private property now the holy of holies??? And the workers are still there, while they are still alive, we must use their experience and bring in the young, things will work out!
    1. +9
      30 December 2024 06: 18
      Quote: Michael55
      And there are still workers, while they are still alive, we must use their experience
      Nowadays, it is much more difficult to find a turner or a milling machine operator here than a resident of the Ursa Major constellation wink
      1. +11
        30 December 2024 06: 52
        Nowadays it is much more difficult to find a turner or a milling machine operator than a resident of the Ursa Major constellation wink

        We have plenty of them in our village... residents of the constellation. There are no turners, not even those who can work with a CNC, but with a 16K20 (a good machine by the way).
        1. +10
          30 December 2024 08: 38
          It is possible to train a 2nd-grade CNC machine operator in a month, yes, he will be a "green-button operator", but he will be able to make parts
          A 3-4 level adjuster can be trained in a year. Yes, you can't trust him with anything complicated or special, but he will adjust the serial and its analogues without any problems.
          There is one condition: these must initially be smart guys, with a desire to learn and an understanding of where they will go next.
          There are few of them, it is much easier and more profitable for them not to work at the factory.
          So it all comes down to salary.
          1. +1
            30 December 2024 15: 38
            Quote: VicktorVR
            So it all comes down to salary.

            Here! good
            Because a pizza delivery guy gets paid more than a specialist working for the government.
            1. -5
              30 December 2024 16: 39
              Quote: Kotofeich
              HERE! good
              Because a pizza delivery guy gets paid more than a specialist working for the government.

              Where does this delivery man get the money?
              They are paid by "an ordinary Muscovite". And where does he get it from? From selling his Motherland (option). This Muscovite certainly does not work at a factory.
              1. +3
                30 December 2024 16: 45
                Muscovites are to blame for everything, bravo. laughing good
                1. -5
                  30 December 2024 16: 51
                  Not in everything - 10 percent, or even 20 percent, falls on the rest of Russia.
                  But!
                  If suddenly a situation occurs where Moscow is liquidated with all those included there, there will be a crisis for a year or a little more, and then something similar to Stalin's USSR.
                  1. 0
                    30 December 2024 18: 07
                    Thank you Vladimir and may you stay healthy.
          2. 0
            31 December 2024 10: 27
            Create such conditions that there will be no other way except for production and personnel will be found. True, usury and buy-sell will have to be collapsed.
      2. +12
        30 December 2024 10: 26
        Especially if we take into account that the profession of a turner and milling machine operator has been excluded from the list of professions in the vocational education system. Excluded with the stigma of being unclaimed. wassat
        1. +7
          30 December 2024 10: 44
          Quote: Pioneer1984
          Excluded with the mark of unclaimed
          Owners of market stalls, bankers and people with dual citizenship do not need such a profession
          1. -1
            30 December 2024 16: 44
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            Owners of market stalls, bankers and people with dual citizenship do not need such a profession

            And not one of the multi-million Moscow either. And so the circle closes.
    2. +4
      30 December 2024 16: 37
      Quote: Michael55
      There is only one way out now - to put pressure on our owners...factories...plants!
      Yeah, right now. They're already running. For 30 years they've been saying "survive yourselves." They survived, they're repairing cars. And then these guys come to them: "Make parts for the V-84-1 engine, according to our mobilization plan." What to do? For what? On what and with whom? They hung around, and then left.
      Quote: Michael55
      Or is the Fatherland not in danger?
      What? War declared? No. That means we're not in danger.
      Quote: Michael55
      The governor receives a plan for the region to produce military products and distributes them among enterprises. He is the only one to be held accountable! And how to influence...read about Minin, how he made the rich fork out for the militia.
      Well, they'll kill him, and that's it. Simply because a car service can't turn back into a UVZ supplier. Simply in order to work for the Ministry of Defense, you have to get complicated licenses, open the first department, PZ, OTD, QC according to the Ministry of Defense standards and a hell of a lot more, right down to a controlled perimeter and dielectric inserts in sewer pipes. It's impossible to turn minced meat back, and you can't restore meat from cutlets. Ignore all this? They'll put you in jail. Introduce simplified standards? On what basis? There's no war. I don't understand how Lancet purchases were organized...
      1. -2
        31 December 2024 16: 13
        And haven't you thought about how drones are assembled on the knee at SVO? And somehow they bypassed all these
        "... complicated licenses, opening of the first department, PZ, OTD, QC according to the standards of the Ministry of Defense and a whole bunch of other things..."? It needs to be simpler, like startups do.
        1. +1
          31 December 2024 20: 07
          Quote: Vik Ganz
          Have you ever thought about how drones are assembled on the fly using SVO?
          What is there to think about: they have nothing to do with the military-industrial complex, this hassle doesn’t concern them.
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      0
      30 December 2024 17: 46
      and in the meantime they will put pressure on you, because it is difficult for them, but easy for you, and there are no consequences
  4. -6
    30 December 2024 05: 47
    If they really wanted to quickly solve the personnel problem at the military-industrial complex enterprises, they would have long ago arranged a forced redistribution of labor resources, which means that in the government’s opinion it is not really necessary.
    1. +4
      30 December 2024 06: 19
      Quote: Ludoman
      If they really wanted to quickly solve the personnel problem at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, they would have long ago arranged a forced redistribution of labor resources

      Unfortunately, even in the USSR there was an acute problem of a shortage of qualified personnel, and even forced work after university and vocational school for 3-5 years did not solve it.
      The problem is the lack of a predictable and, especially, planned economy, which does not allow the company's management to simply understand whether it will have orders and financing next year.
    2. +5
      30 December 2024 06: 25
      a forced redistribution of labor resources would have been arranged long ago

      How so? I worked in industry for over 40 years, but I have never encountered forced labor. I read about sharashkas during the Great Patriotic War (for example, Tupolevskaya, there were others). I saw "chemists" (conditionally released criminals) at some enterprises doing unskilled work. Do I understand correctly that you want to make "chemists" out of workers with qualifications without a criminal record? And what about engineers, technologists, designers, who also do not exist and without whom no production would work?
      1. -4
        30 December 2024 07: 16
        During the Great Patriotic War, some of the mobilized were transferred to industry, to the most important sectors.
        1. +6
          30 December 2024 10: 24
          We have on
          Quote: Ludoman
          If they really wanted to quickly solve the personnel problem at the military-industrial complex enterprises, they would have long ago arranged a forced redistribution of labor resources, which means that in the government’s opinion it is not really necessary.

          At Powder Plant we have an unspoken directive "not to take workers from other chemical plants in the city." Otherwise, the local chemical giant is already short 5 people - the salary is low, and the responsibilities for XNUMX cut professions have been imposed.
      2. -6
        30 December 2024 08: 47
        Do I understand correctly that you want to make "chemists" out of workers with qualifications and no criminal record? And what about engineers, technologists, designers, who also do not exist and without whom no production will work?

        No, I am proposing to forcibly take away qualified personnel from civilian private enterprises by mobilizing them and sending them to military factories.
        1. +5
          30 December 2024 08: 57
          They have already taken away a significant part of their personnel due to a significant increase in wages at military-industrial complex enterprises. If they begin a forced transfer of personnel, this will lead to a number of catastrophic consequences: it will collapse the economy, ruin the budget (as is known, three things are needed for war: money, money and money), and forever discourage young people from choosing blue-collar and engineering specialties. I wonder what your profession is if you propose such radical measures?
          1. +8
            30 December 2024 09: 24
            He is a gambling addict by profession
            that is, the destroyer of factories and plants...
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              30 December 2024 15: 57
              Quote from: nepunamemuk
              He is a gambling addict by profession
              that is, the destroyer of factories and plants...

              a gambler, or rather a very passionate gambler
            2. 0
              2 January 2025 15: 24
              Quote from: nepunamemuk
              He is a gambling addict by profession

              it's called luddite
          2. -4
            30 December 2024 09: 33
            They have already lost a significant portion of their personnel due to a significant increase in salaries at military-industrial complex enterprises.

            You literally contradict what is written in the article.
            If we start a forced transfer of personnel, this will lead to a whole series of catastrophic consequences: it will collapse the economy, ruin the budget (as is known, three things are needed for war: money, money and money),

            I'm allergic to nonsense. It won't collapse, even if you mobilize a million people. I heard this nonsense even before the first mobilization, that everything would fall apart if it was carried out.
            Yes, the standard of living will fall, but we are actually at war here.
            will forever discourage young people from choosing blue-collar and engineering professions.

            And it doesn’t matter at all who it takes away from what desire, they don’t show this desire anyway.
            I wonder what your profession is if you propose such radical measures?

            I am a technical specialist in repairing electromechanical equipment. I can easily exchange the trench today for forced labor in the military.
            1. +4
              30 December 2024 10: 34
              You just don’t understand that now, not in WWII, you can’t just take and put a person at a machine, you need to train him and make sure he has the desire, otherwise there will be no point.
        2. +2
          30 December 2024 10: 21
          In the current reality, this will not be possible. It is one thing when the BTRZ is a military unit of the Ministry of Defense and another thing when it is an LLC or JSC. There is one option, but this is Martial Law with all the ensuing consequences.
          1. +1
            31 December 2024 10: 39
            And who's stopping us from introducing it? Isn't it necessary yet? Are we waiting for NATO, the whole gang, to rush to Moscow?
        3. +9
          30 December 2024 10: 46
          No, I am proposing to forcibly take away qualified personnel from civilian private enterprises by mobilizing them and sending them to military factories.

          I do not understand.
          What is this anyway? On what basis? Do we have slavery?
          Or has war been declared on someone? Or at least martial law?
          Well, and then - let's say a welder works at a civilian private enterprise. For good money. Works hard, so that the family is fed and all that.
          Are you suggesting to mobilize him and send him to some Mukhosk?
          And the family? Should we move it too? Or what?
          What about motivation? Do you think he will work as well?
          Yes, he will also start to cause harm and he will do the right thing. :)
          1. -3
            30 December 2024 11: 44
            I do not understand.
            What is this anyway? On what basis? Do we have slavery?
            Or has war been declared on someone? Or at least martial law?

            On the same basis that 300 thousand people were mobilized.
            Well, and then - let's say a welder works at a civilian private enterprise. For good money. Works hard, so that the family is fed and all that.
            Are you suggesting to mobilize him and send him to some Mukhosk?

            Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting.
            And the family? Should we move it too? Or what?

            Visit family during vacation, or family will move, whichever is more convenient. When the war is over, everyone will be sent home.
            What about motivation? Do you think he will work as well?

            It will work fine, half the country works at jobs they hate and that's okay.
            Yes, he will also start to cause harm and he will do the right thing. :)

            Let him start, we'll catch him and put him in jail for 20 years.
            1. +1
              30 December 2024 17: 12
              I understand your point of view.
              I categorically disagree with her, but I think that trying to convince you is useless, just as it is useless for you to convince me. :)
              In any case, you and I have something in common - the belief that the Russian Federation will win.
              As for the rest, we'll see what and how the authorities will do.
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              30 December 2024 18: 18
              a state where the workers realize that the main enemy is the bourgeoisie and a state that the bourgeoisie controls will not survive for long.
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      30 December 2024 17: 48
      will be forced - a set of measures will appear and spread, making such guys negatively useful. The opponent will OBLIGATORY use it and will be right
    4. 0
      31 December 2024 10: 32
      While they are coping, the SVO is moving millimeter by millimeter. What is the point in sudden movements? If not today, then tomorrow they will make peace and the problem will disappear altogether.
      1. 0
        2 January 2025 15: 27
        Quote: Essex62
        If not today, then tomorrow they will make peace and the problem will disappear altogether.

        each new truce occurs on worse terms for the Russian Federation. From the Munich speech of 2007, through Minsk and to the new ones.
        1. +1
          2 January 2025 23: 08
          Well, these conditions are not bad for everyone. The list of billionaires has grown, and the conditions are apparently favorable for robbing the country.
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  6. +6
    30 December 2024 05: 56
    There is another option to solve the problem.
    Why not start building factories where there is unemployment now? Let them be small. But factories. So as not to spend money on social services. Produce individual units and components. And assemble everything together, at the same ChTZ or others.
    After all, not everything was made locally before. They were manufactured all over the country. And they were assembled in Omsk and Chelyabinsk, St. Petersburg and Dnepropetrovsk.
    1. +16
      30 December 2024 07: 50
      Are you suggesting to build factories in "the Altai Republic, the Republic of Dagestan, the Republic of Ingushetia, the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic, the Karachay-Cherkess Republic, the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, the Republic of Tuva, the Chechen Republic"? Locals will not go to work in factories. No one in their right mind will go from other regions to work in these republics. Maybe someone will decide to go on a "shift" basis, but this will not solve the problem with personnel at these built factories.
      They tried to solve the problem of the lack of personnel by bringing in entire villages of migrants, in the hope that someone would come to work in production - but what they got was an increase in ethnic crime.
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      2. man
        -3
        30 December 2024 16: 20
        Quote: Vladimir M
        Are you suggesting to build factories in "the Altai Republic, the Republic of Dagestan, the Republic of Ingushetia, the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic, the Karachay-Cherkess Republic, the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, the Republic of Tuva, the Chechen Republic"? Locals will not go to work in factories. No one in their right mind will go from other regions to work in these republics. Maybe someone will decide to go on a "shift" basis, but this will not solve the problem with personnel at these built factories.
        They tried to solve the problem of the lack of personnel by bringing in entire villages of migrants, in the hope that someone would come to work in production - but what they got was an increase in ethnic crime.

        Why are you being so unfair? I remember there was a plant in Dagestan Union significance "Dagdizel". Actually, it wasn't, but it is and not only! love Type in the search engine Mechanical engineering of Dagestan:
        The industry is based on the following plants: JSC Dagdizel Plant, Aviaagregat, Concern KEMZ, PO Azimut, Plant named after Gadzhiev, Elektrosignal, Buinaksk Aggregate Plant, Caspian Precision Mechanics Plant, Izberbash Radio Plant, DagZETO
        You can also look at the other republics, if you want to. But it's easier to shit on several regions at once, of course...
    2. +5
      30 December 2024 10: 48
      The main unemployment is in the southern Caucasus regions.
      Who needs to build factories there? Who will work there? Those who are ready to work in factories - they are in the European part of the Russian Federation or in Siberia or the Far East. And there, unemployment is in full order. Even very much so - there is NOT enough people there.
    3. +3
      30 December 2024 13: 32
      Keep in mind that unemployment in these regions is often formal. People work and earn money, but due to weak control they do not register as individual entrepreneurs or self-employed. And on top of that they are still unemployed.
      In fact, no one is sitting there doing nothing, and no one will go to the factory.
      And I was in Chechnya, I saw unemployed people there, in new cars
    4. +2
      30 December 2024 15: 42
      Quote: Panadol
      Why not start building factories where there is unemployment now? Let them be small. But factories.

      For this we need a planned economy, preferably of a socialist type. With a market economy, this is not feasible. It was not for this that they destroyed production facilities all over the country and built shopping malls and anthills. wink
  7. +17
    30 December 2024 06: 14
    Republic of Dagestan, Republic of Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkarian Republic, Karachay-Cherkess Republic
    Does the author really think that anyone in these regions will go to work in a factory? wink
    1. +11
      30 December 2024 06: 45
      WELL, well, in these regions, will anyone go to work?
    2. +9
      30 December 2024 07: 25
      Dutchman Michel
      +3
      Today, 07: 14

      Russians are reluctant to change their place of residence for the sake of work
      "The author suggests that Russians go to these regions to work in factories.
    3. +3
      30 December 2024 07: 43
      One in 20 will do, and even then he is not a native.
      1. +1
        30 December 2024 11: 56
        One in 20 will do, and even then he is not a native.

        The descendant of the princes of Brindisi will never stain his hands with work!

        m.f. "Robbery by..."
    4. +12
      30 December 2024 08: 26
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Does the author really think that anyone in these regions will go to work in a factory? wink

      The author is a dreamer, divorced from reality. There are plenty of them here. They will start discussing how many aircraft carriers are needed, will two be enough or maybe five? They will start arguing about how many hundreds of TU 160s to build, or planning the deployment of nuclear weapons in Venezuela. A circus and nothing more.
      1. +7
        30 December 2024 10: 26
        The author is a dreamer
        The author, not a dreamer, the author, a candidate of biological sciences, began his authorial activity on VO with articles about covid. And then he began to write on various topics. Yes
  8. +1
    30 December 2024 06: 48
    It is very easy to solve the problem of labor shortage and military equipment production. It is necessary to invest in the DPRK military-industrial complex: pay for the delivery of equipment and transfer documentation for Russian equipment or components for it for production at Korean factories. The DPRK has a mobilization economy, a developed vocational education system and a desire to earn currency and resources for its development. According to American intelligence, after the start of arms deliveries to Russia, new factories for the production of weapons are constantly opening in North Korea, ranging from small arms to short- and medium-range missiles. Moreover, the construction and commissioning periods are very short. If the conflict in Ukraine ends, the Koreans will simply pay off the loans with Russian-made weapons that will be in demand even after the end of the Second World War. If the closure of military production in Russia requires certain costs to switch to the production of civilian products, then in the case of the DPRK these will be its problems. In the meantime, the situation is such that Pyongyang offers military products, and Moscow buys only those with an acute shortage, causing public outrage.
  9. +14
    30 December 2024 06: 49
    Here the author mentioned the poor planning in aircraft manufacturing. This is not poor planning, this is direct sabotage, sabotage. Any mechanical engineering engineer will tell you this. The entire chain of manufacturing, designing aircraft engines, aircraft bodies is there, but there are no aircraft as a whole. It's like there is sex, but no children. There is no new aviation in Russia.
    1. +1
      30 December 2024 10: 09
      Quote: V.
      The entire chain of manufacturing and designing aircraft engines and airframes exists, but there are no aircraft as a whole.

      It really is a strange picture.
    2. +1
      30 December 2024 10: 53
      They make military aircraft quite well. True, not in the quantities that are needed, but as I understand it, they are currently expanding the area.
      But in civilian life, there is still no 100% import substitution.
      And if it is not there, then even if everything is made in the Russian Federation at 99.9999%, but there is one critically important part missing, then even if you can churn out a thousand planes, they will not fly without this part.
      And import substitution really began somewhere around the fall of 22, when sanctions came in waves and when it became clear that the SVO would not end quickly.
      It is impossible to completely replace all imports in 2 years.
      And it's not a matter of "Stalin is not on them", it's simply impossible. They are not producing Il-2s now, but much more complex systems.
      1. 0
        31 December 2024 16: 44
        It's like in the Ministry of Defense. "They seemed to do something" (because they started the SVO). Under Minister Shoigu. But mostly they stole in the Ministry of Defense. And then they replaced him with another minister, Belousov, who started to deal with thieves, build caponiers for airplanes, and became concerned with the production of shells.
        etc.
        Isn't there a similar problem in civil aviation? When they call it "strange"?
  10. +12
    30 December 2024 07: 05
    Considering the "outstanding" organizational skills of many government leaders, it is highly likely that they will not be able to solve this problem, since their main ability is the talent for moving deadlines to the right without any threat of punishment.

    Here we either need to quickly end the SVO with a decisive military victory, or prepare for a crisis in the military-industrial complex.
    1. +14
      30 December 2024 08: 38
      Quote: avia12005
      ...Here we either need to quickly end the SVO with a decisive military victory, or prepare for a crisis in the military-industrial complex.

      Only in the military-industrial complex? You are an optimist!
      Under our leadership, we need to prepare for a major crisis in full. It looks like the safety margin is almost exhausted.
      1. P
        +4
        30 December 2024 17: 59
        the supply of free old people with excellent education and half a century of experience has been exhausted. They received real estate and everything else in the USSR, which gave them the opportunity to work for pennies. And now they are mostly dead and will have to pay for everything. Because this is not one old man, but kindergartens, schools, clubs, stadiums, pioneer camps, sanatoriums, hospitals for TENS OF THOUSANDS of children, from which you can get one (ONE) specialist of this kind, after 30 or more years
    2. 0
      30 December 2024 17: 27
      Because in the end, all responsibility comes down to the person who sits at the very top.
      Accordingly, thieves and obvious corrupt officials are being jailed - there are a lot of jails now.
      And those who "move the deadlines to the right", but have their butts covered by the right piece of paper - no one will do anything to them.
      Like in shipbuilding, for example. Yes, there are failures in many ships. The reasons are quite objective.
      For example, the wonderful frigate "Admiral Golovko" was started to be built in 2012. The ship was delivered in 2023.
      Attention question - CAN Putin punish those responsible for 11 years of construction of such a ship?
      No, it can not.
      Why? Because the turbines were made in Ukraine. Then they frantically started "import substitution".
      Why, actually, should shipbuilders be punished?
      Who is responsible for the foreign policy of the state that led to Ukraine's refusal to supply turbines to Russia? Here, in fact, is your answer. And it does not matter whether the policy was correct or not, it is important who made the decision on it, because of which what happened happened.
      And so it is in 99% of cases. With ships, with tank sights, with Superjet planes, with space rockets.
      A man can't spank himself :)

      That's why they punish thieves, traitors and other jerks, but if objectively "the deadlines are shifted to the right" because <see above>, then there is no one to punish.
      1. P
        0
        30 December 2024 18: 20
        the ruling class is responsible, and the main culprit is the layer of participants, organizers and beneficiaries of privatization and collateral auctions
        1. 0
          30 December 2024 18: 27
          Yeah, "the boyars are bad, but the tsar is ok", I've heard that somewhere before :)
          1. P
            +1
            30 December 2024 18: 28
            Who and where said that the king is not a beneficiary?
            1. 0
              30 December 2024 18: 30
              РўР ° Рє Рё СЏ РїСЂРѕ то же.
              It won’t be possible to punish the boyars if the tsar himself makes exactly the same mistakes.
              1. P
                0
                30 December 2024 18: 31
                so punishing the boyars within the current system is impossible. The punishment system is completely in their hands. Here it is strictly according to Lenin
  11. +10
    30 December 2024 07: 26
    Military-industrial complex-2024: personnel shortage becomes threatening
    Apparently, the Volgograd Tractor Plant was closed due to a shortage of personnel. It didn't fit into the military-industrial complex. In our area, about 15 years ago, a vocational school was liquidated that trained machine operators of various profiles, plus related specialties, and upon graduation, they were distributed throughout the country. And why was it closed? It turned out that there weren't enough tractors in the region... in the region... not to mention the country, for everyone. What they had, they didn't keep, but lost, in tears... To break, not to build, the soul does not hurt.
    1. +6
      30 December 2024 12: 51
      In the same way, the Vladimir Tractor Plant, which was closed in 2014, “did not fit into capitalism.”
      And they started building VTZ in the war year of 1944, in the most difficult conditions of the war, when the situation with qualified personnel was two orders of magnitude worse than NOW, but modern managers and economic administrators turned out to be worse than Hitler, since they were able to ruin what they managed to build during the Great Patriotic War.
      1. +4
        30 December 2024 13: 34
        VTZ, like Volgograd, probably produced "galoshes". Sometimes, you want to ask them, if you so persistently convince us that the West is the enemy, then who exactly are you working for?
  12. +7
    30 December 2024 07: 26
    In 2024, another stress factor showed itself in full force - a total shortage of labor. And not just ordinary labor, but skilled labor.
    Well, we have a ton of "qualified" managers, lawyers, economists and other bloggers!!! However, as in all so-called "developed countries"!!!
    These are not only "enemy registrations", these are also home-grown "masters of life" who have accepted the postulate that for their calm, uninhibited life, the country's population must be stupid, controlled by a herd!!! Why do they need a thinking, educated population? bully
    It is not clear that they have begun to intensively lead the country out of this ambush... maybe this is exactly what the ruling class does not need??? They should correct and rob longer...
  13. +13
    30 December 2024 07: 27
    Two points. For some reason, the country's leaders need migrants. Soon, all of Tojikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan will move to Russia. But when crossing the border, a miracle happens. A marvelous wonder. Almost no one who crosses the border gets to work. They dissolve in the vast expanses of Russia. But this is just a joke, because they are not going to work, but to earn money.
    And here is the second example. The pizza delivery man is paid more. Besides, he is free. The turner has to go to work every day, and the delivery man, having worked hard for two or three days, can rest freely without reporting anything to anyone.
    And finally, don't forget the ideology. TikTokers' propaganda, bloggers' propaganda and just a business show, but where are the films about workers? Since the 90s, there has been propaganda that only suckers go into the workforce. Well, reap the results of an ideology that supposedly doesn't exist.
    1. +10
      30 December 2024 07: 57
      where are the films about workers?
      To make a film about how a bourgeois overpaid workers' wages, and they noticed the accounting error and refused to take the extra, the hand of today's masters of culture does not rise, or about how the director of some LLC involved, like a dark horse, his employee in his machinations, or about how a successful bank manager left his bank and went to the construction of the Vostochny Cosmodrome as a simple worker, where he found his love. Or, such as, engineers of a shipbuilding plant decided to help the female crew of a tug and reconstructed the tug and the knsh for free, a kind bourgeois, the owner of the plant, allocated money for the reconstruction. Yes
    2. +11
      30 December 2024 09: 58
      For some reason the country's leaders need migrants. Soon all of Tojikistan. Uzbekistan and
      “I believe that: the SVO, the destruction of the law enforcement system (MVD), the import of migrants, green zones” in FSIN institutions are links in the same chain. Someone needs this.
  14. +10
    30 December 2024 07: 52
    "To make a cow eat less and give more milk, you need to feed her less and milk her more."
    If you want to recruit personnel, make the salary of CNC machine tool adjusters around 300 thousand, and of process engineers around 500 thousand, and step aside...
    P.S. The salary of "deputies for general assignments" should not exceed 100 thousand.
    1. +15
      30 December 2024 08: 12
      The salary of "deputies for general assignments" should not exceed 100 thousand.
      In our Department, in addition to four deputies and the head of the OK, there are four more advisers in these areas with the corresponding salary, of course, and so on throughout the entire branch, which includes 5 departments, including ours. And in the branch... the branch director's advisers have a whole floor.. and the advisers have assistants and assistants to the assistants.. We write unnecessary reports and provide information both for immediate managers and for advisers at all levels. And there are too many advisers in the Central Office to count..
      1. +5
        30 December 2024 09: 20
        Each of them, however, has a thick folder, a cheap, expensive, rich suit and just a stupid expression on their face...
        1. +5
          30 December 2024 09: 22
          idiotic facial expression.
          with a smart look.. laughing
  15. +14
    30 December 2024 08: 18
    I work at a factory, as a machine operator. But I'm going to quit after the New Year. Because they pay pennies. Raise the salary and people will come.
  16. +5
    30 December 2024 08: 30
    In the late nineties, in my hometown in Kuzbass, they closed 4 vocational schools that trained welders, mechanics, turners, milling machine operators, plasterers, crane operators, etc. Then they closed the mining technical school. Some buildings were torn down, and in others they began to teach accountants and all sorts of office plankton. Why should we be surprised now that there is a shortage of specialists? And where are our 16 million Rafiks and Masturbeks? Aaaaah, they don’t go to factories for pennies, they’d better work as taxi drivers and food delivery workers. This shortage can be eliminated if we start building educational buildings again, looking for teachers, if there are any left, recruiting students and teaching and teaching and teaching, but I suspect that no one needs this. The results will only come in a few years, and the situation in the country and the world is unpredictable.
  17. +9
    30 December 2024 08: 36
    A working man is not valued, but all sorts of bloggers, media personalities, etc. make fabulous money. "If you want money, go into business."
    It is possible to change the situation, but it will take many years, and we don’t have time to waste.
    1. +5
      30 December 2024 09: 26
      and we don't have time to get going

      And before that, why didn't you get going? Aaaaaah...the fifth, sixth, seventh, etc. columns were in the way? They broke what was there because it was bad. And there's no time to build something new. smile
      1. +1
        31 December 2024 10: 57
        Well, they've already built a new one. But there's no room in it, create your own. Buy there, sell here. So what the hell do they need vocational education and skilled workers for? And they have a ton of time. They'll make peace and start all over again. The Chinese, again, will throw in consumer goods, they won't disappear. Eat your budget and be happy.
  18. +7
    30 December 2024 09: 19
    A courier fed by his legs, with his head turned off, earns about a hundred. Plus or minus. A specialist at a defense plant - 80 maximum, and that's with a six-day week, and with exorbitant responsibility. Sometimes the product costs a fortune. And where will the infantile children we raised go, most of whom don't care about the interests of the country? Migrants from the villages, for whom some officials and deputies are rooting? So our children at least have an education, and there is emptiness with nasvay, mixed with radical Islamism.
    1. +3
      30 December 2024 09: 35
      And where will the infantile children we raised go?
      There, where with a relatively high salary and work, where you don’t have to toil, pay a mortgage, take out loans, go on vacation to Greece or Thailand, for example. The Western way of life, it has been imposed on us for 30 years now and at the same time they seem to condemn it, and who? And those who impose it. YesThose who offer mortgages and loans.
      1. +2
        30 December 2024 11: 13
        Western way of life, we've had it for 30 years now impose and at the same time they seem to condemn, but who? Those who impose.

        they are promoting it, to impose it is a bit different
        and propaganda is about the "bright future", not about what we will come to...
        They are imposing on us, for example, pension reform...
        1. +1
          30 December 2024 12: 20
          They are imposing on us, for example, pension reform...
          So already.. in full swing.. and 25 million technological places, how many years have they been creating.. here it is, the "bright future", an information concentration camp, Big Brother, is watching you, and how.. But we will not come to anything. We have already come.. "Again it ran away from me, the last electric train and I am walking along the sleepers" (c).. And somehow I still can’t jump into the last car, the last electric train, it keeps running and running.. And everything along the sleepers and along the sleepers once again. Only the tired rails groan.. Only the month, in pursuit, runs, our sleepless comrade.. Yes
      2. 0
        30 December 2024 13: 44
        So the domestic elite has been imposing the Western way of life for all 30 years: vacations at foreign resorts, sending children to study in the USA or England, buying villas in Italy, France and Spain, skiing in Courchevel...
    2. +1
      30 December 2024 10: 39
      With this approach, an infantile person will go to work in a factory, and a smart one will go to work as a courier.
    3. P
      0
      30 December 2024 18: 08
      so children are not infantile. They will quite sensibly judge that leaving their health to the enemy without reason is stupid
  19. BAI
    +7
    30 December 2024 09: 33
    There is a shortage of personnel, and hard-working, qualified specialists from Central Asia are not attracted - they are genetically incapable of such work.
    But lazy, unskilled, eternally drunk residents of small Russian towns go to factories and work successfully.
    The paradox of migration policy
  20. +5
    30 December 2024 09: 36
    It seems to me that the main problem is not a quantitative shortage, but a qualitative one. You should see what kind of people come to get a job. Not only experience, but basic knowledge is zero. They teach and teach, but here is the problem of pensioners - there are no more teachers or mentors left at enterprises.
    1. +1
      30 December 2024 15: 58
      There are no more mentor teachers left at the enterprises.


      There are specialists in factories, but why train your competitors who would agree to take your place for a lower salary...
    2. P
      +1
      30 December 2024 18: 09
      The problem with pensioners is that they sponsored their employers with their free labor and lowered prices on the labor market. But this problem no longer exists
    3. P
      +1
      30 December 2024 18: 14
      and about mentors. Until the salary in the industry becomes higher than the cost of reproduction (200 thousand rubles in 2019 prices), you can't expect any progress (in anything at all). Until the teacher's salary becomes x2-x3-x10 of the salary in the industry, there will be no one to teach. Let me explain: without experience in the industry, a teacher is ballast. In the industry, x1, you need to motivate them to switch, plus learning the basics of teaching, plus changing the schedule and stress from changing activities - this is x2 minimum. BUT in order to stay relevant, you also need to study the latest in the industry, all this is a lot of work and time, so x10 is a completely reasonable compensation.
  21. +2
    30 December 2024 09: 53
    educational institutions quickly went to hotels, shopping centers and other profitable places, but the reverse process is not happening at all, so far only the fight against the shortage of personnel is only in words, but what words, you can listen endlessly for a long time because officials have long learned to pour oil on the ears
  22. +2
    30 December 2024 10: 01
    Problems have always been, are and will be.
    The task of the authorities is to solve them quickly and effectively.
    The current government is apparently tired. Or maybe it doesn’t want to solve anything except lining its own pockets.
    1. +1
      30 December 2024 11: 09
      The current government,Apparently, she's already tiredOr maybe he doesn’t want to decide anything except lining his own pockets.

      there are more serious suspicions: incapable - incapable by its very nature
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    1. +5
      30 December 2024 11: 14
      In these conditions, talking about providing personnel for our military-industrial complex is simply ridiculous.

      We are currently spending our people and resources on fulfilling the metropolis’ plan, and not on our own liberation.
  24. 0
    30 December 2024 10: 12
    The status of a great world power is determined by physical, economic, industrial, technological, scientific, cultural, political and other indicators such as territory, population, volume and structure of GDP.
    In pre-war times there was a labor shortage. The increase in the army, mobilization, the departure from the production sector of 1,0-1,5 thousand volunteers daily, irreparable losses at the front, the aging of the population increases the burden on workers and critically exacerbates the problem of labor resources.
    Raising the retirement age and cutting the school curriculum by a year does not solve the problem. Stimulating the birth rate failed, but slightly raised the standard of living. The Duma members made it almost impossible to attract migrants. Stitching together the Russian Federation implies not only transport, but also the Russification of the entire country and the post-Soviet space, but this is not a quick and problematic matter, and success is unlikely. Replacing humans with robots and AI brings with it an endless caravan of problems.
    The replenishment of personnel of natural monopolies and systemically important enterprises is carried out by buying out slave labor from other enterprises and industries whose economic situation makes them uncompetitive in terms of working conditions and wages, but this trend has its negative consequences
    1. 0
      31 December 2024 20: 32
      "... The stitching together of the Russian Federation implies not only transport, but also the Russification of the entire country...",
      What does this mean? And about migrants, do you want it to be like in the US or France? Ghettos, neighborhoods where the police can't go? That is, uncontrolled residence of migrants? And what's wrong with people communicating in one language? Or was it bad in the USSR, when each nationality could develop its own language, but the language of communication was one? And what has changed now? Or are you suggesting that Russians learn Uzbek and Tajik?
      And replacement by robots, within reasonable limits, is a blessing, not a problem.
      I too, when I came to Germany (it happened that I had to "evacuate" from Turkmenistan), a magazine wrote that Germany lacks 40 thousand engineers in the mechanical engineering industry. I looked for a job for more than ten years (although the diploma of the Gubkin Institute of National Economy and Public Administration was recognized immediately), and did not find one. I think the same "chatter" is in Russia, and all over the world. Apparently, someone needs this, so that illiterate migrants are brought to Russia, when the whole world invites only specialists. Or is the whole world stupider than Russian officials?
  25. +10
    30 December 2024 10: 15
    Looks more like a star. Let me explain.
    There are no real salaries in the defense industry. You look in the region "we need fitters for an engine-building (for aviation) plant, training. Salary from 160 thousand. Well, you think, aha, a great salary for the region. You read the conditions: 11/6 schedule. Have you eaten fish soup?! For 264 hours of work you offer "from 160 thousand"?! And as usual, it turns out that 160 is dirty, with monstrous overtime.
    At our Powder Station, people were always being called for 40-50 thousand. In fact, only those who were afraid of mobilization went. Then they raised the salary and started writing in the ads from 79000. Only at the interview did the applicants find out that they would have to "de-mothball" the workshops abandoned in the 90s, clean, paint. 6 days a week on a salary of 46000. By the way, many people have already burned down, exploded, etc.
    I, with 19 years of experience in the chemical industry, professional education and knowledge of work in related fields, could not get a job there either as an operator or a technologist (education) for 76000. Yes, I went to get a job in which I would receive less than I receive at the private plant where I have been working for more than three and a half years. And I would also be "restricted from traveling abroad". Will I go there again? Yeah, no way. You wiped your ass with my patriotism: I went to work at a destroyed plant, even as an engineer or a worker, and they didn't hire me. To a plant where a drone can fly in at any moment and where they can't always give your body to your relatives because it's missing.
    In the ads, this plant has actually returned to a salary of 59000. Apparently, they are tired of listening to their workers sucking after they have wasted their time. On the plant's page, such comments appear on weekends.
    There is no labor shortage. There is a monstrous salary shortage in the sector. A friend went to Porokhovaya to get a job. Sixth category operator. They offered him a job as a forklift driver for 50000 (he had worked on such equipment for several years before), but they only asked, "Can you assemble this forklift?" You are out of your mind! For fifty, you are looking for a fool who would assemble the equipment for you (there is probably only one frame left) and then work on it. For reference, a forklift driver will be hired anywhere for fifty.
    Pay at least 100 thousand for a 40-hour week, and don't draw "salary 200 thousand and for a shift. A shift is 60 shifts of 11 hours". When recalculated for an 8-hour day 5/2, we get that such a number of hours must be worked for 4 months. That is, by killing yourself you will receive 50 thousand in salary. Gross.
    P.S. There is no shortage of workers. There is enormous greed and unwillingness to pay.
    1. +3
      30 December 2024 11: 50
      It all comes down to the salary, it should be significantly higher than in the small private economy. A person will not voluntarily go to work in a factory, a mine, etc. Because it is hard. Standing at a machine all day. That is, the salary should compensate for all the hardships and deprivations. I myself graduated from a vocational school in 80, a 4th-category turner. I ran off to serve in the army, with all the costs of this process, it is better than in a factory. And the guys at the factory asked where you were going - to a military school. The answer is correct - there is nothing to do here. An interesting observation, out of 30 people in the TO-8 group. In classmates, 2 people, one died in Afghanistan, one was imprisoned for banditry (he was the smartest), and where are the rest? I have never met workers my age who are engaged in a continuous technological process. They all probably died. Industrial workers in the USSR are peasants who fled to the city, because life is easier in the city. Their children won't go to the factory for pennies. Today's reserve is peasants from Central Asia, they will also end. Their children will integrate, assimilate and won't go to the factory either. Now I work with designers, the majority are inert, you have to constantly kick them. All active and smart, qualified people work for themselves. As soon as one of the young ones gets their teeth into it, they leave. The conclusion is that designers and technologists, etc. should be "white" people, so that they are envied and people strive to become the same. And this is only a salary. If you are interested, read https://t.me/tolk_tolk
  26. +1
    30 December 2024 10: 52
    The shortage of tanks and armored vehicles is certainly not very good. But there is good news - in modern warfare it is not needed. wink
  27. +3
    30 December 2024 10: 58
    Military-industrial complex-2024: personnel shortage becomes threatening

    everyone wrote about what was said in the article... this is understandable, but
    I recently had a little argument about the fact that oligarchs don’t invest in their property...
    Do you remember about 200 years ago, there was this English industrial revolution?
    Do you remember what its causes and consequences were?
    that's what I'm talking about... we are assured that there is a shortage of workers - and has anyone of those who manage/own thought about re-equipping production? - and why do they need it???
    understand that the equipment of the production and technical base and the level of knowledge of workers are inextricably linked, talking about one side and not talking about the other is like limping on one leg and so on...
    and at the same time think about changing the entire PTB industry of the country - and then ask yourself - migrants are here, why???
    1. +1
      30 December 2024 11: 11
      That's true! Here in our country they make similar mechanization. With such a device you can clean more territory than 30 janitors. Instead of thirty Dzhamshuts, one competent, trained one with a salary of 150. This will pay for itself even in a month, taking into account the depreciation of the equipment. But this is an investment, training, maintenance costs.
      https://youtu.be/loB-cmnXE8A?si=4gCgfCHCzKC2h_oY
      There's a broom, a rotary cleaner, and a bucket loader that fits into any pocket. You can probably install a vacuum cleaner, too.
  28. fiv
    +3
    30 December 2024 11: 05
    High salaries only at certain enterprises of the military-industrial complex. As long as the KPI of the heads of defense federal state unitary enterprises contains an indicator on saving the salary fund, workers will leave their factories, and new ones will not strive to work there. And labor productivity will grow only due to staff reduction, especially pre-retirement and retirement age. And these are some of the most experienced workers.
  29. +9
    30 December 2024 11: 11
    What's surprising about that?
    Those who said "go into business" are still in charge of everything and everyone.
    Well, they changed their colors a bit for a while. Now they "hate".
    but if the opportunity arises, they will change their colors back and send their children abroad again, pumping money out of the country.
    And by the way, today is the date! Let's remember!
  30. +5
    30 December 2024 11: 17
    There is another aspect. Okay, they are in demand now, but after the end? What will happen then? Yes, and the salary offered is not bad now, but after the end of the operation, what will happen? And the person probably thinks - they will cut the salary, or just cut it and you will be left with nothing. And also having arrived in another city with your family. There is simply no confidence in the future. Now they are calling, and in a year - they kick you in the ass?
  31. +5
    30 December 2024 11: 23
    "Military-industrial complex-2024: personnel shortage becomes threatening"
    Get some masturbators, especially those who are given passports in the colonies, or "loyal Pykhotinites" from some Caucasian Emirates, who have never held anything heavier than a smartphone in their hands, they will help. You are tired of pouring from empty to empty in your articles. You should have asked the great Charon about this on December 19.
  32. +5
    30 December 2024 11: 40
    Only hope... Not as optimistic and uplifting as from the tip of the "iceberg"... But true. And Murakhovsky's words may sober up the yurikalk, although they only graze in the news feed and furiously upvote each other smile
  33. +4
    30 December 2024 12: 37
    Where are these vaunted innovative training centers for military-industrial complex personnel from the Ministry of Industry and Trade?
    Or, in their stupidity, they think that one show-off center in Tatarstan is enough for the whole of Russia...
    They are used to releasing everything in single copies, just for show at the parade in front of the leader...
    Armata, Kurganets, Boomerang, S-500, Su-57 are clear examples of this....
  34. +4
    30 December 2024 12: 45
    "labor surplus" regions: Altai Republic, Republic Dagestan, Republic of Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkarian Republic, Karachay-Cherkess Republic, Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, Republic of Tyva, Chechen Republic
    Author, have you heard the shortest joke: a Jew is a janitor, no? Well, all your listed regions are exactly about this.
    1. +5
      30 December 2024 12: 57
      These "labor-surplus regions" can only supply Russia with fruit sellers at markets who don't need factories or plants at all....
  35. +3
    30 December 2024 12: 50
    About unemployment. The fact that the data only shows registered unemployed, of course, no one cares. The fact that there are a lot of them in the Caucasus shows that it is like in Greece with the disabled - a high percentage of corruption to receive state support for the population. No one can take data from the tax office and stupidly look at how many people have personal income tax taken from their salaries every month - this will more than accurately indicate unemployment. The fact that people do not want to move - so now we only have housing for money. That renting housing is expensive, what to buy. After all, all state-owned factories have probably dumped all social facilities - housing, kindergartens, and hospitals. So you have "the unit will regulate itself." Here, when they began preparing for the SVO (and it turns out that for COVID) by building hospitals using military forces, for some reason no one thought that there were no personnel there either. That is, there are doctors. My father used to say - if they order - there will be. Let's forget only the nuance - there is a shortage of doctors in state hospitals, and almost none in commercial ones. Salaries are different and so are working conditions. And no one will go to work for a government organization for a lower salary and with an excess of paperwork. And it's the same everywhere. The same drivers do not go to work for large transport companies - unrealistic delivery times. And if you remove the logic of delivering some goods - a lot of extra trucks will be removed from the roads. Well, it's stupid to transport bread 100 km every day, milk and eggs 300-1000 km (I saw a record in my store in the regional center - eggs brought from the Novosibirsk region to Sterlitamak, where they were packed 10 pieces and brought to the Orenburg region - 2000 km with a shelf life of 25 days). Housing is a special topic - there are empty apartments everywhere (they left and did not sell to anyone) and many for rent (this should not happen in real life at all). Here you can write a scientific dissertation on stupid economics. We have no logic anywhere - everything is built on lies. Which is what we will now observe, and all over the world. There can be no global united economy. The longer the logistics, the greater the wave of problems. Not even a wave - a tsunami.
  36. +1
    30 December 2024 13: 10
    The flow of unemployed from the North Caucasus to the Urals or the Central region is impossible for a very simple reason. There are simply no qualified personnel in the republics of the North Caucasus. More precisely, they exist, but there are few of them and they are employed at home. And the youth does not want to work or study either. So every fourth person hangs out on the street, and otherwise - trade, reseller, part-time work. That is why subsidies in the hundreds of billions a year fly there. The personnel deficit in the defense industry can be solved by improving the quality of production management and through salaries. A person will not go to a military plant for 50 thousand, but for 80 thousand - he will.
    1. P
      0
      30 December 2024 17: 28
      also no. If he was getting 50 at home, then he needs to be compensated for the rent PLUS seriously motivated to move. That's x2-x2.5 minimum
  37. +4
    30 December 2024 13: 20
    The problem can be solved adequately only in a comprehensive manner and only through the expansion of the implementation of robotics in work processes and production lines. We have a small population, this is a not very educated population, the vast majority of it, this is an aging population, about 60% are pensioners and pre-retirees. This population is significantly dispersed over a huge territory with imperfect roads, despite the fact that we have far fewer cars per capita than in the same USA.
    The ambitions that we have taken upon ourselves exceed our ability to bear this burden with old approaches, because we are no longer the USSR and we live in the 21st century and not during the Great Patriotic War.
    However, we are still trying to somehow revive expansive paradigms of thinking in production, trying to bet on something that has clearly not been our winning slot for a long time.
    Now we should (in the medium-long term) combine the launch of the domestic microelectronic industry (the fruits of our efforts on lithographs or, alternatively, the fruits of some cooperation with China) with the active robotization of production on a domestic, or at worst hybrid (Russian-Chinese, with a plan for a gradual replacement with a Russian) basis.
    We simply have NO other options, to the point that we will have to conduct further evolution of military equipment, including with an eye on this type of production. Otherwise, some major war will paralyze our labor relations, because 14-16 year old kids will no longer be able to replace their fathers at factories, the equipment is not the same.
  38. 0
    30 December 2024 13: 22
    We just need to give access to the country, another 20-30 million migrants from Central Asia. For each line, ten "specialists", one inserts a bolt, another tightens, a third tightens, etc. No equipment modernization is needed. No special training is needed. There is no need to hire locals, so as not to overpay. And for housing, "specialists" can be allocated barracks with 50 beds. What a saving! Only it is desirable to leave the country, before all these processes, or even to some China. laughing good
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  40. +2
    30 December 2024 14: 05
    It's funny to read both the author and the comments. Long retired. Asked to work at a defense industry enterprise in the electronics field. After four months, lured to another enterprise. I have come to the conclusion that there are enough personnel in the country, they just need to be pulled out of garages, basements and other shady places. There are simply very few competent managers. The management is full of absolutely illiterate people in technical terms, but in blue suits, like in the government. Well, and the most important thing is to take all the stolen money from the akhatsioners and restore the equipment park at the enterprises. Because the akhatsioners first stole, and now they are demanding subsidies from the state to restore production.
    1. P
      0
      30 December 2024 17: 32
      You can't just take it. You have to remove the upper chakra.
  41. +1
    30 December 2024 16: 55
    .. at the beginning of December, Russia recorded a record low unemployment rate of only 2,3 percent. This is good

    How much longer can this go on?! What's the point of meticulously counting those officially registered at the employment center, when about a third (!) of the working population are doing something completely unclear, because they are invisible to the state.
  42. +2
    30 December 2024 17: 16
    Managers who complain about the lack of personnel would do well to start by asking the question - why were the managers of delivery services able to organize the work and attract people, but you were not? Any personnel policy rests on three pillars. 1. the level of wages (everyone has heard of this) 2. the level of equipment of workplaces 3. the system of labor organization. If you do not know these things, what kind of dog are you doing in the management chair.
    And what about engineers, mechanics and milling machine operators, how many decades have people in these professions dragged out a beggarly, bestial existence?
  43. +2
    30 December 2024 17: 20
    No problem. Call Khusnulin. He will train thousands of Uzbek, Tajik and Kyrgyz scientists, engineers, designers and chemists. They will fill the personnel gap. A friend of mine once got a job at a recycling plant. They offered him a salary of 35000. In 2022... With such salaries, the workers will soon run out on their own.
  44. P
    +2
    30 December 2024 17: 26
    to move from A (current state) to B (desired state), it would be nice to understand how we ended up in A, which we don't like. How did it turn out that production capacity is insufficient? Who allowed the production to be cut up with a mob plan, which were supposed to solve the problem? When will it be possible to watch his trial and execution along with his accomplices? Where are the actual military production facilities, where right now it would be possible to cast metal of the required quality, flatten it into a rolled product, cut and weld the bodies of the required equipment, make chips, assemble optical mechanics for missiles/drones/targeting systems for aircraft, at least with imported matrices? There aren't any? Maybe the first thing we need to do is work on the mistakes and, finally, show the inside of those involved to the honest public?
    1. +2
      31 December 2024 21: 59
      Here is some bastard who lets out specialists like Chubais and many ministers, including deputy prime ministers, from Russia, despite the rule not to let out officials who know state secrets. We don't even know their names. I don't know, really - no, there were reports on the Internet about the departure of thieving generals of the Ministry of Defense, in particular Shevtsova, who owns real estate abroad. As a secret bearer, she is not allowed to leave Russia at all, and she owns a lot of real estate abroad. As does Deputy Prime Minister Golikova, by the way. And most of the thieves work quietly or quit without problems. And Shoigu himself ... there are no words at all.
  45. +2
    30 December 2024 17: 34
    Let's break the problem down into its components:
    - Sunny republics. There, respect for labor needs to be restored, starting from the top. In Dagestan, there are traditions of masters, artisans. They can be restored, but they need to start from the heads.
    - Internal migration. At first, guards from the Moscow region came to Moscow for shifts, then Saratov, Perm, now they are coming from the Urals and the Far East. People are ready to go, but they have to pay.
    - Infrastructure. This cannot be solved in two years, we had to think ahead.
    (Removed due to self-preservation instinct).
    - School graduates. The bad news is that there is a very low level of motivation for work and education, an extremely low level of culture.
    School has become a place of temporary detention, some individuals achieve high results despite the system, but they are not oriented towards working at the machine. And those who would do well to stand at the machine are oriented towards gambling and eternal celebration.
    - as everywhere, the process of professional training is managed by highly paid effective managers.
    (The continuation was erased due to the instinct of self-preservation.) Sapienti sant.
  46. +1
    30 December 2024 17: 50
    The only thing we have left is hope. That the problems voiced at the government and lawmakers level will be heard at the highest level.

    From the high windows of the offices the abyss is not visible. Only the endless horizon is visible.
  47. 0
    30 December 2024 18: 41
    ...if there are any left, it is easier to assemble a new one than to restore it from storage.

    But it is not always easier. There are already estimates that it will soon become profitable to restore old equipment at a cost of 50% or more of the cost of new.
  48. +6
    30 December 2024 18: 45
    I don't hear anything about a "radical salary increase". In December I received 10 thousand rubles less. There were never any 13 thousand rubles. An engineer at one of the leading research institutes in the country, without whom our entire railway transport would simply stop along with all shipments.
    Energy, communications and transport are the blood and backbone of the country. Without them, you can churn out as much equipment as you want, but what to fuel it with and how to transport it? So the question of the military-industrial complex is actually COMPREHENSIVE and multifaceted.
    A colleague was mobilized. An engineer. I don't understand what good he is with a machine gun, if as a qualified engineer he is much more valuable. A soldier can be trained in a year. A good engineer will emerge in no less than 10 years - 5 years of college and MINIMUM 5 years directly on the job.
    1. -1
      31 December 2024 22: 05
      Jager (Andrey). I don't get it. "A colleague was mobilized", but what was mobilization? They only wrote about volunteers.
      Where and when did the mobilization take place?
      1. 0
        2 January 2025 21: 44
        Quote: Vik Ganz
        Jager (Andrey). I don't get it. "A colleague was mobilized", but what was mobilization? They only wrote about volunteers.
        Where and when did the mobilization take place?

        Actually, there was a mobilization in the fall of 2022. 300 thousand were actually mobilized. I have several acquaintances who were mobilized.
  49. -1
    30 December 2024 19: 22
    According to the laws of wartime

    Well, if according to the laws of wartime, then during the war people were sent to factories and try not to fulfill them. There is also an unusual reserve: We have more than 1 thousand draft-age guys per year, 750-250 thousand are called up, and the rest? Deferments, sick people, of course, but clearly not 300 thousand. That's where the reserve is, if you dig deep enough. Moreover, there are those of limited fitness among the sick, who work and study and drive cars. From this environment, you can recruit a hundred or two thousand and send them to work in the defense industry for two years as part of the industrial battalion. Yes, and the term of service can be at least temporarily increased to 450-1,5 years.
    1. P
      +1
      30 December 2024 20: 49
      these are guys who are actively and convinced that they are not going to serve the Russian Federation. Are you seriously going to force them to work at the machine? Okay, here's a scenario: oh, master, I broke the cutter, repeat 20 times, sit in the mobile phone and chill. If the master is slow-witted, the oil line breaks and the oil flows straight into the cable channel, then of course it catches fire
      1. -3
        30 December 2024 21: 42
        these are guys who are actively and confidently not going to serve the Russian Federation

        But they need to be called up and then sent to the plant in companies. And at the plant, work will be selected based on qualifications and abilities. And for those who do not want to - the guardhouse awaits. And those who want to, will also earn money. There can always be incentives for good work and service. And people who do not want to serve can be held accountable by law.
        1. P
          +2
          30 December 2024 21: 46
          the draft has long been successfully sabotaged by those who have no intention of serving. When attempts to recruit by force began, they began to kill military commissars. Are you seriously going to gather them into companies? Well, great, you will have to guard them around the clock, and those who could not be bussed, you will have to not let out of the country and do something about the fact that they will not officially work anywhere and will not be seen (with reinforcement, again the graves of military commissars). And this despite the fact that the productivity of slave labor is extremely low. The economy simply will not come together
          1. 0
            30 December 2024 22: 03
            There are few who are not determined to serve. But mostly they will serve, especially if they are paid. Of course, there is no need to create conditions for "hazing" and there will be order.
            1. P
              +2
              30 December 2024 22: 04
              I can only wish you good luck. Serve
  50. +1
    30 December 2024 20: 56
    With the current socio-economic system in Russia, one should not expect radical changes in the issues of education, culture, demography, by definition... Capitalism has always been "sharpened" for those who are needed at this very moment, in the "prospect" only profits and possible losses of profits were considered... Everything else - according to the residual principle and immediate necessity....
  51. +3
    30 December 2024 21: 01
    December 30 is the day of the formation of the USSR. Happy holiday!
    1. +1
      31 December 2024 01: 39
      And you too! Happy holiday. Glory to the USSR.
  52. +1
    30 December 2024 21: 24
    A zoo in military affairs greatly increases costs. And resources. Both monetary and human.
    Old, uncontrolled weapons also increase costs and resources, both financial and human.
    One guided missile reduces the number of spent missiles from 100 to 1-2. And this frees up the labor of hundreds of thousands of people along the entire production chain. From ore mining to storage and transportation of finished products.
    One universal MLRS is exactly the same. One engine, one chassis. One driver, one crew. And many identical, albeit with different characteristics, missiles.
    One plant, although large, requires much fewer people. Than 5, but fewer. And people, they are not only on the assembly line. They are in safety and fire safety, and in accounting, and in supply, and lawyers and economists, and cleaners. And power engineers and electricians.
    Anyone familiar with real production knows that three to four times more people are involved in supplying the conveyor belt.
    And we can't do without them.
    The brains of our military-industrial complex need to be completely reprogrammed. To introduce reason into it.
    And the brains of the military, who make decisions about future types of weapons, too. Clean them out and implant intelligence.
    Otherwise they only see cockades on their foreheads. They have no sense.

    And so it is in all types and branches of the military. In all military-industrial complex enterprises.
    1. P
      +1
      30 December 2024 21: 30
      the military serves their own interest groups. Your attempt to bring "reason" will mean depriving them of profit. Let's not forget that these are the military, they will simply kill you, and if they can't do it to you personally, they will arrange another potato rescue
  53. 0
    30 December 2024 22: 56
    This is just sabotage! After my dismissal from MRSK-Center, I have not been able to find a job in the IT field for a year and a half. I have 25 years of experience and no one needs me! True, I am 53 years old. I had to get my old machine operator diploma and become a milling machine operator. And they are in demand! Rate the phrase Tulamashzavod is recruiting machine operators for shifts, salary from 160000 rubles. And on TV they say they need 1500000 qualified specialists. I will not disappear as a milling machine operator, but 25 years of experience in IT are down the drain? In a year and a half, there was only one interview and that was with HR. And what can OK judge about my qualifications in the field of IT?
    1. P
      +1
      31 December 2024 00: 03
      You're talking nonsense, they're hiring you just fine. Maybe you've been rotting away as a printer system administrator for 25 years and even the recruiter girl can spot it, maybe you don't indicate the required experience or can't confirm it
      1. +1
        1 January 2025 12: 11
        What you said was stupid, everything my friend says is correct. I confirm it word for word.
        1. P
          +1
          1 January 2025 17: 34
          I'm typing this. A 53-year-old specialist will be hired if he can handle it. If he was involved in enikey and printer setup, he's not an IT specialist, and he really won't be needed by anyone.
  54. +1
    31 December 2024 01: 38
    Well, it's tough without galoshes. You won't get any personnel - the rattle has rung that in the USSR there were only galoshes, he spat on the entire domestic engineering school from head to toe. A worker at a UAZ costs 40 thousand. They have a shortage of personnel, you see - a shortage of brains in fact.
  55. +3
    31 December 2024 02: 55
    Vacancies at local drone aircraft factories: cleaner - 40000, design engineer - 50000, electronic equipment assembler - 80000, 1C programmer - 150000. And a courier at Yandex Lavka - from 100000. I don't see any point in teaching children, getting A's, etc.
  56. 0
    31 December 2024 13: 08
    For starters, workers and engineers must receive more than a handout.
    Here is a link to vacancies at Porokhovaya https://sterlitamak.cataloxy.ru/rabota/firm590451.htm
    Leading design engineer from 61100 rubles (in fact, before and including the bonus).
    All blue-collar jobs are around 40000. Well, you can google it yourself.
    I'm running, and I even lose my shoes on the run, trying to get settled there and my hair back.
    1. +2
      31 December 2024 14: 59
      All the big salaries in the military-industrial complex are now mainly due to overtime. If you work 12/24, you will get your 100/150.
  57. -1
    31 December 2024 15: 26
    Since 1992, 70 to 100 enterprises have perished in Russia. But there is no unemployment and there is a shortage of personnel. Only for economists - this is a mystery. Since the same 1992, the natural population decline is more than 17 million people.
  58. +1
    31 December 2024 15: 57
    The salaries at these enterprises are ridiculous. My father-in-law is a gunsmith with experience, so in order not to just sit at home in retirement, he went to the military-industrial complex plant to get a job. When they found out his service record, they grabbed him by the hands and said - Where have you been before? We desperately need people like him! And the salary they offered was 29000, taking into account the tax. After deductions, there will be about 25000 left.
    1. -1
      31 December 2024 21: 57
      Well, it's a salary, not a wage.
    2. -2
      31 December 2024 22: 24
      So your father-in-law would have demanded at least twice as much salary. But he won't agree to less. Let them work for that money themselves. It's time to remove this "plankton" (deputies and advisers) from production, stop idling.
  59. +1
    31 December 2024 20: 20
    Quote: dimon642
    I served in the army from the Pacific Ocean to the Baltic. I can compare with a lot of things.
    How then to talk about Tatarstan or Bashkiria, Udmurtia and other Volga peoples. They are not Russian. Rotenberg built the Crimean bridge, but not Ivanov or Sidorov, Gazprom is probably run by Mikhailov, Sber is probably in the hands of Kozlov. I'll list them for you.
    The Tula arms factory was founded by two Dutchmen.
    The Uralvagon plant was built by the Soviet people, and not by just anyone.
    During the USSR, the following were built in Kabardino-Balkaria:

    Well, yes, Rottenberg, together with those two Dutchmen, personally welded the metal structures and installed the bridge piles. Do you realize that what you wrote is nonsense?
  60. +1
    31 December 2024 22: 43
    At 50, "pensioners" were thrown into the trash by their laws, and now we are trying to bite our elbow, which is now out of reach
  61. +1
    1 January 2025 01: 33
    In wartime, only martial law can save the country,
    when the whole country is subject to one-man rule
    according to the principle "Everything for the front, everything for Victory!"
    1. 0
      1 January 2025 12: 08
      Machine instead of Maldives!
  62. +1
    1 January 2025 12: 06
    It's all nonsense. I tried to get a job at a couple of factories whose products are famous not only in Russia, but also... For some, 21 years of experience is not enough, for others, the gender and age are wrong, someone verbally agrees, but does not call back. The salaries are completely ordinary, people in the shops work neither shaky nor wobbly. These vacancies hang around for years. All this is a gimmick to justify the Tajik-Uzbek invasion, nothing more.
  63. +2
    1 January 2025 13: 01
    This is all nonsense, we have no shortage of personnel. The most striking example of this is the personnel policy of the Swede Boo Young Anderson at AVTOVAZ. The number of people, which swelled to 106 thousand under the Muscovites, was reduced to about 40 thousand at the industrial site alone, out of 42 (!!!) vice presidents, a maximum of five remained. In two years, he put XRay, Vesta, Largus on the conveyor belt, carried out a deep modernization of almost the entire model range of cars already produced. For which he was fired in disgrace. Now again a massive recruitment of new workers and the corridors are full of dozens of some shady women, sadly wandering around all day with mobile phones near their ears and going crazy from idleness. And Young Boo Ivanovich did not hesitate to visit the restaurant in the plant administration building during working hours and fire everyone lounging there within an hour. Excesses? Possibly. But are there other options? I'm not sure. It is not normal when in a country where there is supposedly a shortage of workers, unemployment benefits and hundreds of other benefits are paid, the number of which is no longer known either by the government or by those who need these benefits. In the conditions in which Russia finds itself now, the only "benefit" should be the provision of a job with a decent salary, and the main incentive to work well should be a stomach growling from hunger.
  64. 0
    1 January 2025 17: 43
    Quote: Single-n
    If you served, then you should have met the Yeletskaya and Gryazinskaya "prima".

    Who doesn't know it - Death in the swamp - Yelets factory :).
  65. -3
    1 January 2025 19: 04
    And yet I believe that in connection with the ongoing SVO we must forget about all our old and present grievances against the criminal leadership perversion. I hope that later everything will be counted for his thirty-year deeds. Everyone who knows how to work in difficult conditions, has knowledge in the fields of mechanical engineering, machine tool building, instrument making, energy, electronics must overcome themselves and go to work for the money that they pay. I understand perfectly well that it is very difficult to go when millions are squandered in pubs in an evening by some management money-makers. But we must go to work in production, it is time to crawl out of various shady basement-garage sharashkas before we are cut out like cattle. First of all, the work of each of us will help our guys on the front lines, and only then everything else.
    1. -1
      3 January 2025 23: 39
      Come up with a convincing slogan so that people leave their garages. They want to eat too.
  66. +1
    1 January 2025 19: 05
    We should start with the question: who is to blame: am
    1. Where are the people!? Judging by the "guests" up to 20-30 ml. the same number of Gaidarites-Chubaisites and their descendants "tymized" the indigenous people. bully "successfully" replacing imports with carriers of "other traditions". am
    See the overgrown cemeteries. from despair. drugs. Chechnya and others.. and noticing that young impudent black-brown ones with zamotanki with a large number of children with bright "Wahhabi" views on the future of the Russian Federation.
    2. What to do based on the stamped out accountants of no use to anyone, meeeeeenjes of narrow-profile sloppers... feel
    send for repurposing - how quickly and in large quantities!? belay
    Remembering the experience of the USSR- Factory Apprenticeship School (FZU school (often mistakenly called factory and plant school) was the lowest (basic) type of vocational school in the USSR from 1918 to 1940.
    During the existence of FZU schools, about 2,5 million skilled workers were trained. good . Resolution of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR.
    How and what - taxes on those who attract migrants. benefits from the state. - reduction of taxes on students. decent earnings from the sectors of the economy and enterprises of the beneficiaries.
    Lots of experience. there is toFor an analysis of the most successful economies, see the book "The Crystal of Growth." good There is also talk about the experience of Russia - the USSR.
    And the import of uneducated people with a nomadic mentality- "parrived - captured - squeezed out what he could - destroyed - drove on. This is just degradation with "folk carving on native wood for the amusement of partners" bully see the past of past civilizations...
  67. 0
    2 January 2025 12: 06
    As long as we pay the courier more than the turner, everything will remain like this!
    Finally, take care of your salaries and priorities; you either want to have pies or listen to dancing!
  68. -1
    2 January 2025 14: 28
    But there are "labor surplus" regions: the Altai Republic, the Republic of Dagestan, the Republic of Ingushetia, the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic, the Karachay-Cherkess Republic, the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, the Republic of Tyva, the Chechen Republic. In Ingushetia, for example, unemployment reached 27,4 percent at the beginning of the year.

    The most highly cultured, highly intellectual, educated and hardworking regions known for their achievements in science, technology, literature, as well as ballet, opera, etc.
  69. bar
    0
    2 January 2025 20: 10
    Much has been written, passionately and correctly. But for some reason no one remembered the main thing - in the USSR all universities/technical schools/vocational schools were at some enterprise, and trained personnel as a rule for this enterprise, and graduates were required to find employment at this enterprise, there was a distribution system. After the collapse of the USSR with almost all industry, this entire system collapsed. And educational institutions that had become useless to anyone began to train useless "specialists" of fashionable "professions" for their own survival. No one trained virtual turners in a vacuum. Who needs a turner if the last plant in the city, along with its machine tools, has been scrapped? So what was killed must be restored from the ground up - with the construction of new enterprises. And then, under them, again train the specialists needed by these enterprises with a guarantee of their subsequent employment. No migrants will help with this.
  70. 0
    3 January 2025 23: 35
    There is no one to move. The system of personnel training has been completely destroyed. Vocational schools have been closed, technical schools have been renamed into colleges and the profile has been changed. Universities are breeding undereducated bachelors. Where can we get specialists to grow them? And whoever can do anything will not want to move anymore because it has been over 50 years. And here is a vicious circle. A young specialist will be given a maximum of 30-40 thousand, and if they put him on piecework and a penny outfit, it will be even less. The interest rate on a mortgage has now exceeded 20, the down payment is 30%, and how much should a young specialist earn for this mortgage. And you still want to dress, eat and do everything else. And on top of everything else, no one wants to pay mountains of gold. So the circle is closed. What migration. So I will come to Moscow with a salary of 50 to a salary of 80, so what? 30 apartment, travel is 3-5 times more expensive, what's the point? My opinion is that the author is looking for the problem in the wrong place, oh, not there.
  71. 0
    4 January 2025 14: 05
    Personnel should be taken from the bloated staffs of all sorts of "administrations" and "ministries" and agencies that do nothing useful and spend budgets. In each region and republic there are a bunch of ministries that duplicate the federal ones. All sorts of offices like YunArmiya... everyone to the factories
  72. 0
    5 January 2025 10: 36
    The author completely forgot to forget about the catastrophically low robotization and automation of production and low wages, which force the use of a huge amount of unproductive labor, instead of buying machine tools. And this is embedded in the economic laws and policy of the state. This is the main reason for the shortage of labor. Why do we have 10 people working with shovels for a week instead of a couple of units of equipment that would do the job in a day or two, making low-quality asphalt during road repairs? Approximately the same thing is in production, logistics and trade. This is the result of the tender system and economic laws. For example, the full cost of installing new machines cannot be included in the cost of production, and it is impossible to buy equipment for a reasonable percentage on a loan due to wild inflation. This artificially sharply reduces the competitiveness of products manufactured on modern equipment. Almost all countries with which we are going to compete do not have such anti-industrial laws and conditions.
    1. 0
      8 January 2025 22: 12
      Quote: goose
      Why do we have 10 people working with shovels for a week instead of a couple of units of equipment that would do the job in a day or two?

      Maybe someone doesn't need it to be faster? They say that there are more than 8 billion people living on Earth now, and everyone needs to do something. After all, not everyone can play GTA? Here, you will inevitably go and do something. Someone - maybe invent some garden intestine, and someone - learn to teach and teach how to live, what to breathe ... that is, a blogger, for example. Now it is fashionable. But, not everyone has such rich skills. After all, "dancing and dancing" is an art. So, some people suffer, vegetate in obscurity. But this way - instead of a machine gun, put 20 people to screw caps on toothpaste - and there are no problems.
  73. +1
    5 January 2025 15: 24
    You can't trust the official unemployment figures. Our real unemployment is several times higher than the official one. There is simply no point in registering at the labor exchange since our unemployment benefits are miserable. This makes it impossible to manage the economy and industry since all our statistics are distorted.
  74. 0
    6 January 2025 02: 57
    For 30 years the entire educational system has been preparing lawyers, economists, and IT specialists!!! Production needs simple blue-collar jobs, but there are practically none. The gangsters in power have broken everything and it will take decades to restore it.
    1. 0
      6 January 2025 14: 02
      We complain that there aren’t enough workers, but we have 2-3 million men guarding bras in stores.
      https://svpressa.ru/society/article/445006/?cba=1 fellow
  75. 0
    7 January 2025 02: 43
    Quote: Single-n
    Maybe you should visit the 3-story educational institution again?

    This was a mosque.
  76. 0
    7 January 2025 11: 51
    I think that the problem is far-fetched. It is always possible to bring in Highly-Class Valuable Specialists from Central Asia.
  77. 0
    9 January 2025 12: 28
    Salaries at factories are simply "a song" - a welder will receive 50 thousand, less than a conventional worker in a sales area at K&B.
    Here is a vacancy at OmskTransmash, where they make TOS Solntsepёk and modernize T-80 tanks.
  78. 0
    9 January 2025 14: 49
    It's enough to write crap, the shortage of personnel gives rise to automation and renewal of production, if the managers are not stupid, but at first it will be difficult
    1. 0
      9 January 2025 15: 13
      There have been very few smart managers left in the last 30 years. Only traders, managers, and money-grubbers are left. This is where the old truth comes from: smart employees come to a company and leave their manager. The Brownian movement of employees around the company in search of the promised land continues every two to three months. As for automation, it reads like crude swearing. What is that? wassat
      1. 0
        11 January 2025 12: 30
        Solasen, it seems that at the beginning of any adventure there is a smart and promising person, he develops, gets a good profit, salaries are appropriate, and brings relatives, a mistress and a scribe appear, stagnation, collapse
  79. 0
    17 January 2025 22: 32
    This problem can be solved by "personnel maneuver". For example, an information base of Russian citizens is created with data on the professional skills of people taking into account their professional education, as well as professional experience and skills. If a person is currently doing work that does not correspond to their qualifications or education, they can and should be offered a higher-paying job. A huge number of people do not work in their specialty, for example, a software engineer works as a cleaner, another engineer - as a mechanic. Apparently, the time has come for individual work with the working population, and we must not forget about pensioners.