"Farming" on the Ka-52: operational laying of minefields from combat helicopters to isolate the combat zone

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"Farming" on the Ka-52: operational laying of minefields from combat helicopters to isolate the combat zone
Image TG-channel Fighterbomber


One of the most tragic events in the framework of the Russian special military operation (SMO) in 2024 was the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) into the Kursk region. Unfortunately, at the moment, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (AF RF) have not managed to finally drive the enemy out of the captured territories - heavy fighting is ongoing.



At the same time, one cannot underestimate the enemy’s ability to conduct a similar operation in another direction – information periodically appears in various open sources about the movement of large enemy ground forces with new tactical identification marks.


New tactical signs on Ukrainian armored vehicles

It is still unclear what of this is a “game” – disinformation carried out by the enemy, and what is real preparation for an invasion. Perhaps some information is available at the headquarters of the Russian Armed Forces, but, remembering recent experience, the threat should clearly not be underestimated.

Let us assume that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will once again attempt an offensive, and the Russian Armed Forces, for some reason, will not determine the direction of the enemy’s main attack, as a result of which the defensive line will be broken through by superior enemy forces, who will then try with all their might to reach operational space.

What actions can we take to neutralize the breakthrough?

NWO experience


According to open data, during the invasion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces into the Kursk region, combat helicopters played an important role in stopping the enemy, which is not surprising - we previously talked about this in June 2023 in the article "Combat helicopters - the basis for countering the breakthroughs of enemy armored units in the NVO zone".

In general, recently there have been increasingly frequent opinions that the time of combat helicopters has passed, and two main factors are usually mentioned:

- the first factor is that the functions of combat helicopters are increasingly being taken over by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of various purposes, including the ubiquitous FPV-drones;

- the second factor is the ever-increasing number of threats to helicopters on the battlefield. They are also hunted by "large" anti-aircraft missile complexes (SAM), and portable SAM (MANPADS), there have been cases of helicopters being hit by anti-tank missile systems (ATGM), and recently the enemy has begun to hunt our helicopters using FPV drones.


Modern IRIS-T type air defense systems pose a significant threat to helicopters; fortunately, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lack these air defense systems, so they are mainly deployed deep inside Ukrainian territory to “hunt” for our cruise missiles.

However, the above factors are not a death sentence for combat helicopters, but only a reason for their development and improvement, in particular, in July 2023 in the material "Evolution of combat helicopters and their weapons: before and after the SVO" We talked about measures designed to increase the survivability of combat helicopters on the battlefield.

In short, this can be done by abandoning frontal attacks on the enemy using unguided weapons, increasing the effectiveness and expanding the range of guided weapons, ensuring the joint operation of UAVs and combat helicopters (slave UAVs), and equipping combat helicopters with active defense systems. aviation equipment (KAZ-AT).


If these measures are implemented, combat helicopters will be able to counteract rapid enemy breakthroughs in the future.

However, combat helicopters are not the only way to counter the enemy’s advance deep into our territory.

In the September 2023 material – Invisible Death Maneuver: Rapidly Deployable Minefields We talked about various systems and methods of remote mining of the area, including the prospects for using the latest Russian engineering systems of remote mining (ISRM) “Agriculture” in the SVO zone.

Mine-explosive weapons are one of the most demoralizing for the enemy. If in the event of the beginning artillery or missile attack, the enemy maneuvers, evades, hides, trying to make maximum use of available shelters, after which he continues combat operations, then in the case of the installation of minefields (MVZ), the danger remains until the sappers clear the area or the mine self-destructors are activated.


ISDM "Agriculture". Image by the Russian Ministry of Defense

The question arises: can the ISDM “Zemledeliye” and combat helicopters effectively interact?

Strengths and Weaknesses


On the one hand, the ISDM "Zemledeliye" and combat helicopters can interact very effectively in the context of solving the task of disrupting the enemy's offensive.

The ISDM "Zemledeliye" will limit the maneuver of enemy ground units by laying mine-explosive barriers, after which combat helicopters can complete the rout of the enemy's main forces with the help of high-precision weapons, knocking down his offensive potential.

However, there is a problem: for such interaction to become a reality, both combat helicopters and the ISDM “Zemledeliye” must be simultaneously in the breakthrough zone.

Combat helicopters can arrive at the breakthrough area fairly quickly due to their high cruising speed of around 200-250 kilometers per hour and combat radius of action of several hundred kilometers, moving in a straight line from the base point to the breakthrough area.

But the ISDM "Zemledeliye" will have to move along public roads at an average speed of about 50-60 kilometers per hour along the route. Of course, one can assume that the ISDM "Zemledeliye" will be in the breakthrough area initially, but in reality such "miracles" rarely happen.


As a result, there will be no synchronicity between the installation of minefields and the use of high-precision weapons from combat helicopters; targets will actively maneuver, disperse, and “snap back” with fire.

Accordingly, it is necessary to ensure the synchronicity of the MHP deployment and the operation of combat helicopters with high-precision weapons. This can be done by introducing MHP deployment packages, developed on the basis of the ISDM "Zemledeliye" guide packages, into the composition of combat helicopter armament.

Presumably, the optimal choice for this is the Ka-52/Ka-52M family of combat helicopters.

"Agriculture" on the Ka-52


It can be assumed that the task of integrating the MHP installation packages into the armament of Ka-52 combat helicopters can be completed in a relatively short time frame.


Ka-52 combat helicopter. Image by TG-channel Fighterbomber

The ISDM "Zemledeliye" was developed and is manufactured by the Tula JSC "NPO "Splav" named after A. N. Ganichev", where unguided aircraft missiles (NAR) S-8OFP "Broneboyschik" for combat helicopters and aircraft are also developed. Accordingly, the developers of NPO "Splav" have experience working with aircraft weapons and knowledge of their features.

It is possible that the airborne version of the mine-laying packages developed on the basis of the ISDM "Zemledeliye" will have a slightly smaller range and number of simultaneously thrown mines than the ground version, but this is fully compensated by the speed of their delivery to the combat zone.

Why Ka-52/Ka-52M and not, for example, Mi-28N/Mi-28NM?

Based on open information, combat helicopters operate NAR from a hovering or pitching mode. In the first case, the accuracy of the hit is higher, in the second, the firing range, with regard to the placement of the MHP, accuracy should be of greater importance.

Coaxial helicopters are better suited for operation in hover mode; moreover, based on open data, Mi-28 helicopters previously experienced engine surge when operating in hover mode, which led to emergency situations.


Mi-28NM combat helicopter. Image airwar.ru

The author does not know whether this problem has been fixed on the Mi-28 family helicopters at the present time. It is characteristic that the Ka-52 family helicopters are equipped with the same engines as the Mi-28 family helicopters, but there were no similar problems with them.

On the other hand, if the problem of engine surge is solved, then it is possible to do “farming” from Mi-28N/Mi-28NM helicopters.

Conclusions


The installation of minefields from both aircraft and helicopters is nothing new, but the use of the most modern solutions implemented within the framework of the creation of the ISDM "Agriculture" will allow the installation of minefields from combat helicopters to be brought to a new level.


To use the VSM-1 mining system, helicopters must be directly above the mine-laying zone. Image: war-russia.info.

The introduction of mine-explosive barrier laying packages into the armament of combat helicopters is advisable and can potentially be implemented in a relatively short time.

The optimal carrier for mine-explosive barrier laying packages is presumably the Ka-52 family of combat helicopters.

The joint use of Ka-52/Ka-52M combat helicopters to isolate the combat zone in the event of an enemy breakthrough will allow for the rapid limitation of the maneuver of invading ground units with their subsequent defeat using high-precision weapons, also used from combat helicopters.

The relatively high cruising speed and sufficiently large range of combat helicopters will allow them to quickly advance to the site of a breakthrough by enemy ground units, ensuring the disruption of the enemy's offensive at the initial stage, until the moment when it can enter operational space and/or consolidate its position in the captured territory.
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  1. 10+
    27 December 2024 04: 45
    Almost everything is correct! But... mines are not laid under enemy fire (they try to do it in advance), so a combat helicopter loses to a transport helicopter in these conditions. No need to invent anything, just look into the past... And there, laying mines on Mi-4 and Mi-8 was very effective! By the way, we worked on such a task back in the 80s. In conclusion, the Mi-28 and Ka-52 need suspended blocks for mining, which is not rational, since this system was created for the Mi-8 back in the 60s, and finally, how much payload can the Mi-28 (24), Ka-52 take? And how much can the Mi-8 take? I think the answer is obvious. Smart and literate people lived and worked in the USSR after all.
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      27 December 2024 10: 46
      Almost everything is correct! But... mines are not laid under enemy fire (they try to do it in advance), so a combat helicopter loses to a transport helicopter in these conditions. No need to invent anything, just look into the past... And there, laying mines on Mi-4 and Mi-8 was very effective! By the way, we worked on such a task back in the 80s. In conclusion, the Mi-28 and Ka-52 need suspended blocks for mining, which is not rational, since this system was created for the Mi-8 back in the 60s, and finally, how much payload can the Mi-28 (24), Ka-52 take? And how much can the Mi-8 take? I think the answer is obvious. Smart and literate people lived and worked in the USSR after all.


      Does the abbreviation KMGU mean anything to you?
      1. -1
        28 December 2024 03: 06
        The container for small cargo is universal. And what does this change?
        1. +1
          28 December 2024 10: 44
          The container for small cargo is universal. And what does this change?


          Andrey, damn it, don't hold back. They can also be equipped with mines. Remember, we studied this in college.
          And combat helicopters don’t need more than that.
          1. -1
            29 December 2024 01: 59
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            The container for small cargo is universal. And what does this change?


            Andrey, damn it, don't hold back. They can also be equipped with mines. Remember, we studied this in college.
            And combat helicopters don’t need more than that.

            Volodya, so I was initially talking about the inappropriateness of using combat helicopters to lay mines. There is the Mi-8 for this. The only case is when breaking through the front and urgently laying minefields. All this is for using the TM-62. If you spray the PFM-1 "petal", then yes, there is no difference. Except that this mine affects not only enemy infantry but also civilians and animals, both domestic and wild. Plus, it becomes an obstacle to the advance of our troops in this direction. By the way, remember the installation on the Mi-8 for installing the TM-62 and tell me where to squeeze this thing into the combat helicopter?
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              29 December 2024 10: 06
              Volodya, so I was initially talking about the inappropriateness of using combat helicopters to lay mines. There is the Mi-8 for this. The only case is when breaking through the front and urgently laying minefields. All this is for using the TM-62. If you spray the PFM-1 "petal", then yes, there is no difference. Except that this mine affects not only enemy infantry but also civilians and animals, both domestic and wild. Plus, it becomes an obstacle to the advance of our troops in this direction. By the way, remember the installation on the Mi-8 for installing the TM-62 and tell me where to squeeze this thing into the combat helicopter?


              So the KMGU containers are just for those cases when it burns. And they are equipped not only with PMF-1 but also with anti-tank, albeit less powerful, and also with small-caliber bombs, such as PTAB-2,5.
              1. 0
                30 December 2024 03: 05
                So what was I talking about? By the way, the minus is not mine.
              2. 0
                30 December 2024 03: 41
                corrected. The comment is too short, etc. I'm talking about the minus.
                1. 0
                  31 December 2024 14: 40
                  corrected. The comment is too short, etc. I'm talking about the minus.


                  Do you care about local ranks? Let the armchair strategists be proud of them. And we have served what we have earned in the army.
                  1. 0
                    1 January 2025 19: 30
                    Of course not. It's just an attempt to show the audience your opinion. And I earned my title honestly and I'm proud of it! And the point is not in the title but in the personality.
                    1. 0
                      1 January 2025 19: 33
                      Of course not. It’s just an attempt to show the audience your opinion.


                      The one thing you shouldn't look at is the audience, especially the local one.
                      There are too many young men here with burning eyes who don't give a damn about arguments.
                      1. +1
                        1 January 2025 20: 00
                        But I completely agree with this! When I subscribed to VO in 2013, it was a completely different site! I'm just still here by inertia.
                      2. +2
                        3 January 2025 12: 31
                        But I completely agree with this! When I subscribed to VO in 2013, it was a completely different site! I'm just still here by inertia.


                        That's the point, there are very few of those left here by inertia. The site here is based on the principles of the grey mass squeezing out the professionals.
  2. 0
    27 December 2024 05: 51
    Based on open information, combat helicopters fire NAR from a hovering or pitching mode. In the first case, the accuracy of the hit is higher, in the second, the firing range is greater.

    What nonsense, as if in hover mode it is impossible to direct the NARs at the same angle as when pitching up, and the accuracy will be higher with direct aiming regardless of hovering or the "hill" maneuver
    1. 0
      27 December 2024 08: 16
      Quote: Konnick
      What nonsense, as if in hover mode it is impossible to direct the NARs at the same angle as when pitching up, and the accuracy will be higher with direct aiming regardless of hovering or the "hill" maneuver

      It's not stupid. They fire NARs from a pitched position when there is a threat of being hit by enemy anti-aircraft weapons. Approach at a very low altitude, climb, fire NARs, and immediately turn with simultaneous descent. This is the first time I've heard of NARs being fired from a hover.
      By the way, it’s probably better to mine with the Mi-8; it can hit with unguided rockets, but it doesn’t have the same targeting and search capabilities as the Ka-52.
      1. 0
        27 December 2024 08: 34
        NARs are used from a pitched position when there is a threat of being hit by enemy anti-aircraft weapons.

        Do I deny it? It's better to mine with the Mi-8, the Ka-52 is already overloaded, and the Mi-8 is much cheaper to operate
        1. 0
          27 December 2024 08: 41
          Quote: Konnick
          NARs are used from a pitched position when there is a threat of being hit by enemy anti-aircraft weapons.

          Do I deny it? It's better to mine with the Mi-8, the Ka-52 is already overloaded, and the Mi-8 is much cheaper to operate


          With the Mi-8, you can also lay mines with the VSM-1, but only "under yourself".

          If the enemy has broken through the defense and is quickly moving forward, then this will no longer work.

          "Zemledelie" can lay mines 10-15 km away, which means a helicopter with a similar system will have comparable capabilities and will not have to expose itself to enemy air defense.
          1. +1
            27 December 2024 11: 10
            With the Mi-8, you can also lay mines with the VSM-1, but only "under yourself".


            How can you take on a topic without having any knowledge of the essence of the issue?
            Firstly, not VSM-1, but VMR-1.
            Secondly, by the beginning of the eighties, the VMR-1 was already a rarity and was being replaced by the fundamentally different VMR-2.
            Thirdly, KMGU suspended containers have existed for a long time, which can place both anti-personnel and anti-tank mines.
  3. +1
    27 December 2024 10: 32
    It would be easier then to make a chimera: S-13 with a warhead from the Zemledeliya missiles.

    Or maybe instead of messing around with a dual mine carrier (helicopter-rocket), we should set up reconnaissance? Then we will be able to lay mines in advance on probable enemy routes using regular helicopter mining equipment? And if mines need to be laid urgently, then use IBA with KMGU?
    No, this is nonsense, this doesn't happen... smile
  4. 0
    27 December 2024 10: 45
    And why the hell invent something when KMGU containers have existed for a long time? Another reason to saw up the budget?
  5. 0
    27 December 2024 11: 36
    Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
    KMGU containers have existed for a long time

    Here is a slightly different idea. KMGU is simply a container for scattering, including mines. And when you are close to the enemy (or when you don't know exactly where he is), there is a risk of being hit by a SAM.

    The idea of ​​dropping mines with the help of an additional solid-fuel booster, which would allow the helicopter to avoid the possible kill zone, is described. I agree that the armored, overweight Ka-52 is inferior to transport helicopters in this role. And the advantage of a helicopter over laying mines from an airplane is not so obvious. request
    1. +1
      27 December 2024 13: 31
      Here is a slightly different idea. KMGU is simply a container for scattering, including mines. And when you are close to the enemy (or when you don't know exactly where he is), there is a risk of being hit by a SAM.

      The idea of ​​dropping mines with the help of an additional solid-fuel booster, which would allow the helicopter to avoid the possible kill zone, is described. I agree that the armored, overweight Ka-52 is inferior to transport helicopters in this role. And the advantage of a helicopter over laying mines from an airplane is not so obvious.


      Sorry, but first you need to understand when, where and why minefields are placed. And that to evaluate their effectiveness, there is such an indicator as their density, well, and the accuracy of installation.
      Therefore, it is justified to lay out minefields that are impassable on the fly from the same Mi-8, or to cover the paths on mountain passes from the Mi-24.
      But such mining, when the accuracy is so-so and the density is not great due to the relatively small combat load of the helicopters, is a waste of resources.
      And why distract combat helicopters from their main tasks, there are already few helicopters.
  6. -1
    27 December 2024 13: 14
    The option of an anti-tank reserve as part of an anti-tank barrel artillery division, or an ATGM division, operating together with a mobile mining detachment on vehicles or helicopters, has been known since Soviet times. This option of action was cancelled about 15 years ago.
    Is there any point in reviving it? Absolutely none. Why expose helicopters to attack?
    Mines are faster and easier to lay using MLRS, and an advancing enemy can be stopped using drones.
    In the Kursk region, a squad of 5 drone operators destroyed 10 enemy vehicles, losing one fighter seriously wounded.
    1. 0
      27 December 2024 13: 34
      The option of an anti-tank reserve as part of an anti-tank barrel artillery division, or an ATGM division, operating together with a mobile mining detachment on vehicles or helicopters, has been known since Soviet times. This option of action was cancelled about 15 years ago.


      You're confusing something. The USSR didn't do such perversions. Helicopters were tasked with tanks, using ATGMs.
      1. 0
        27 December 2024 15: 30
        Helicopters with ATGMs against tanks are one of the options for an anti-tank reserve.
        1. +1
          27 December 2024 17: 53
          Helicopters with ATGMs against tanks are one of the options for an anti-tank reserve.


          The most effective and efficient means.
  7. 0
    27 December 2024 15: 30
    Read Veremeev. He writes that in the USSR there was a mining system from the Mi-8 helicopter. The main drawback is - who will give you a helicopter?
    And yes, the system was interfaced with navigation equipment, coordinates for the start and end of mine laying.
    1. 0
      25 January 2025 19: 58
      I don’t know how it is now, but in the 80s, the Mi 8 was used to practice mining.
  8. 0
    10 February 2025 17: 58
    A new offensive has taken place, we have advanced 5 km, I think that your article is just a dreamy reflection, divorced from reality.
  9. 0
    27 March 2025 05: 39
    What you need. For fast isolation of directions in conditions of complex logistics.