Drowned Ursa Major as a Prelude to Peace Talks

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Drowned Ursa Major as a Prelude to Peace Talks

Ursa Major


Ursa Major


We were first told about the vulnerability of Russian logistics on September 26, 2022, when terrorists from unnamed Western structures destroyed the Nord Streams. If you look at the network of oil and gas pipelines, you become uneasy - with the proper level of agreements, the country will be left without any export flows in the western direction. Someone will say, so be it. But it will be very difficult to replace the finances that fell out of the budget and the goodwill, albeit conditional, of buyers. However, this is not even the point, but the extremely high risk of expanding the special operation to a real war with Europe and the United States. In decent society, in response to the destruction of transport infrastructure, it is customary to hit someone in the face with a slap. Either the strikes on Russian pipelines are not very destructive, or the time has not yet come to hit with a slap.



We live in the time of signals. Signals from everywhere and everyone. The Kremlin sends signals to the West about the unacceptability of precision strikes weapons deep into the country. Using the example of the Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash, they very clearly explained to everyone what would happen in the event of further escalation. Whether it worked or not is another question. The main thing is that the signal was sent on time and to all interested parties. The other side is also playing with symbols. Russia must be forced to peace talks at any cost. It seems like a good idea - peace throughout the world. Only the West does not agree to the Kremlin's conditions, which does not mean a peace initiative, but actual capitulation. But NATO failed to defeat the Russian Army with the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Zelensky let us down, so to speak, and let us down hard. There is no talk of direct involvement of NATO troops in Ukraine - the Western world is ready to fight Russia for now only with the hands of the Banderites. Therefore, the bigwigs of the West are forced to talk to the Kremlin in the language of signals. If we leave out the possible negotiations that are being conducted through unofficial channels.


And here is another signal. The bulk carrier Ursa Major was sunk as a result of a terrorist attack in the Mediterranean Sea. The press service of the company "Oboronlogistics" (the owner of the ship) stated:
“According to the testimony of the ship’s crew members, on December 23, 2024, at 13:50 (Moscow time), three successive explosions occurred on the starboard side in the area of ​​the stern.”
It is clear from the name of the owner company that the vessel was subordinate to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Ursa Major is relatively young - it was launched at a shipyard in Germany fifteen years ago, and since then it has changed names three times before becoming the "Big Dipper". This is a really big ship: the displacement is 12679 tons, the length is more than 140 meters, the width is 23 meters, and the maximum load capacity exceeds 9,5 thousand tons. Ursa Major left St. Petersburg on its last voyage on December 11 and headed for Vladivostok.

The holds contained two gantry cranes, two crane buckets, two ship's bilge covers, a 20-foot container with equipment for the covers, and 129 empty containers. This is not much - the total weight did not exceed 806 tons. The payload was completely civilian and was intended for nuclear icebreakers being built in the Far East. In the past, Ursa Major was involved in the transfer of troops and equipment from Russia to Syria. We know this route better as the "Syrian Express". In fact, this fact is used by the Ukrainian side as a sign of the legality of the attack. According to the logic of terrorists, anything that had previously at least leaned against military equipment is already worthy of death. The sunken bulk carrier had been under sanctions since February 2022 and was the object of close surveillance by the enemy. The data differs, but, apparently, the Big Dipper was monitored throughout the entire route. At the very least, the Portuguese Air Force was doing this. But this cannot be called a regular escort - the enemy was providing target designation for the Ukrainian saboteurs. One option is to direct a group of BEKs from the Spanish coast.

According to the map, Ursa Major was sunk near Cartagena, a few hours after passing the narrow Strait of Gibraltar. For Ukrainian specialists, such a large and slow-moving target in a narrow sea isthmus was an easy victim. At the same time, it cannot be ruled out that NATO troops were practicing on our ship, while simultaneously fulfilling a large order from the Pentagon. The work of terrorists from nearby dry cargo ships is not ruled out - this section of the sea is very busy. And, finally, the most banal option is associated with betrayal. If Ukrainian terrorists were able to kill the head of the NBC protection troops in the center of Moscow, then are they really not capable of equipping the ship with several kilograms of explosives?

And a couple more points. Shortly after the attack, Portugal released a press release with photos of a pair of landing ships that were sailing with Ursa Major — these were Ivan Gren and Aleksandr Otrakovsky. It is unlikely that these ships were guarding Ursa Major. Most likely, they were moving to Syria to evacuate military equipment from Russian bases. This means that our Navy could well become potential targets for the enemy in neutral waters.

Links of one chain


The Ursa Major's demise came just a few days after the ecological disaster in the Kerch Strait. On December 15, two tankers, the Volgoneft-212 and Volgoneft-239, broke in half and released at least three thousand tons of fuel oil into the sea. Of course, the ships had seen a lot on their way, but the fact that they were destroyed simultaneously, and in close proximity to the enemy, is alarming. There is no particular desire to end up on the list of paranoids, but the Embraer E190 plane crash at Aktau airport is very similar to a continuation of the list of man-made tragedies. Note how "conveniently" the Ukrainians launched a missile not far from the route of the Azerbaijani plane dronesAt this time, Ingushetia and North Ossetia were fighting off enemy attack UAVs.


One of the tankers that perished near the Kerch Strait

Despite the overall tragic nature of the events, there is no reason to panic. The enemy has switched to terror tactics for a reason. As mentioned above, this is an attempt to bring Russia to peace talks in a subordinate position. Nothing has been achieved on the battlefield and is unlikely to be achieved. Perhaps we are now witnessing the work of Trump's team. From the very beginning, the absurdity of his idea to sit Russia and Ukraine at the negotiating table with a snap of the fingers was clear. According to the American establishment, Russia must first be "softened" by the tactic of a thousand pricks. Let it not be in a week or two, but in a few months. Feeling that further losses exceed the gains from the special operation, the Kremlin will surrender. Only this chain does not take into account Russia's response. Whatever one may say, the security regime in Europe and the United States is far from Russia's.

The country has been in a special operation mode for almost three years with the corresponding level of anxiety. Yes, it manages to miss the blows. The murder of General Kirillov and the sinking of the Ursa Major are from this sad series. But everything is much simpler there in the West. Drones fly freely near secret bases and over other strategic facilities. Let's not forget about the fiber optic cables on the seabed. Do these channels transmit information from the Ukrainian Armed Forces to NATO? Yes, easily. Therefore, if you want, you can turn any facility into a military one. If only you had the imagination. The Americans are pumping Europe with liquefied gas from giant gas tankers. But we are not allowed to build such. Purely theoretically, could the Ukrainians make a provocative move and attack such a colossus in order to unleash a war between Russia and NATO? Or will the tanker break at the most inopportune moment? There are many questions, and their number is growing after tragedies like the sinking of the Ursa Major. Only one thing is clear: there will be no preludes after this, just as there will be no peace negotiations themselves.
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  1. + 20
    26 December 2024 04: 23
    Everything is in a heap, and the plane in Grozny, and two rusty galoshes, and a bulk carrier in the Mediterranean Sea. In each specific case, its own culprits. Maybe they will tell us what really happened.
    1. +4
      26 December 2024 20: 04
      ASSAD1, And, to you, and trying to tell, this, Evgeny Fedorov... "Didn't get the point?" It happens....
      1. 0
        27 December 2024 04: 34
        The author predicted that there will be no negotiations, let's hope. And his colleague also predicted about Kherson.
        1. -2
          27 December 2024 09: 54
          There won't be any negotiations not because the Russian leadership doesn't want them - Putin literally begs for them every day. There won't be any because no one wants to talk to him. And that's not even a bad thing
    2. +1
      27 December 2024 11: 31
      Yeah, and they don't even allow us to build gas carriers. It's a direct sabotage against our spiritual, God-saved fatherland. The analytics are top notch.
  2. + 40
    26 December 2024 04: 29
    If this is a signal, then it would be nice to also send a couple of signals, not pshih, not loud, but effective and painful, but at the same time to stay on the sidelines. Is it possible to do this? I don't know, "literate" politicians basically created a dead-end situation, and manage to screw up time after time, the advancement of the front is the merit of our citizens, so I would not put this as a plus to politics. I don't know if we have any invulnerable places? We resemble an old flat-bottomed boat, with a bunch of holes, it seems like you need to swim, and bail out water, and somehow want to go fishing, although it seems like we can't swim, but it seems that few people care.
    1. +3
      26 December 2024 05: 39
      Quote from turembo
      We resemble an old flat-bottomed boat

      Reminded: "I bustled about like a one-armed man with nettle rash hanging wallpaper."
      1. +8
        26 December 2024 05: 59
        There are many comparisons that can be made, but still, old science fiction writers have already done a lot for us. lol

        I'll tell you what I look like now: I'm a big, jelly-like thing. Round, without a mouth; where my eyes used to be, there are pulsating white holes filled with thick fog. My arms have turned into rubbery appendages; my legs resemble stumps of soft, slippery dough. When I move, a wet trail follows me... I wander aimlessly through the corridors, something that could never have been human, a creature so alien to everything human that even the slightest resemblance to it becomes obscene...
        Allison Harlan "I Have No Mouth to Scream"
        1. -2
          26 December 2024 13: 40
          For some reason you've been drawn to old science fiction for the second day. Yesterday Lovecraft, today Harlan. And the theme is always about terrible horrors. winked
          1. -1
            26 December 2024 13: 50
            Digging into the "Syrian case" I had to twist the "Chaos map factor" and decided to reread the classics. Lovecraft describes this state very vividly.
            And in the midst of this whirling cemetery of the Universe, the muffled, maddening beating of drums and the shrill, monotonous wail of blasphemous flutes from incomprehensible, lightless spaces beyond Time; a hideous beating and whistling, to the accompaniment of which the giant, shadowy primordial gods dance slowly, clumsily, absurdly - blind, voiceless, mad gargoyles...

            Well, who can describe it better than him? laughing Harlan is good, but there is not enough of him. I tried to reread E. Poe - not the same at all. The Chaos Map is an interesting topic in general, just a rare situation in nature. The topic is extremely informative from an analytical point of view. And Lovecraft is so - "to feel", so that you can think better.
            1. -2
              26 December 2024 15: 32
              I don't like all this pie of epithets or the heaping up of descriptions and reasoning. Let's say I don't like Bunin and Tolstoy, I'm closer to Chekhov and Kuprin.
              1. +2
                26 December 2024 18: 22
                It all depends on the mood. Sometimes you want to read something like "The Cask of Amontillado" by E. Poe, and sometimes you can't even pick it up, what kind of hallucinogenic drag is this, they say. All the classics are not only for the fan, but also for the age.
                1. +1
                  26 December 2024 18: 34
                  What Poe? It's always been a mystery why anyone bothers with him. Apart from "The Golden Bug" there's nothing else for a normal person to read.
                  hallucinogenic drag,
                  right into the hole smile
            2. 0
              27 December 2024 17: 59
              The monotonous howl of blasphemous flutes is, of course, a diagnosis. Has the author (possibly the translator) never heard flutes?
              1. -1
                27 December 2024 21: 52
                This is for Howard Phillips Lovecraft and his translators. But in any case, it is written juicily. What other flutes should, in theory, play in a state of "creeping chaos" and what sounds should they make? So it is quite laughing
          2. -4
            26 December 2024 22: 26
            And that's true! Here the holidays are all about, and some are all about terrible horrors. They are slandering!
      2. -4
        27 December 2024 09: 57
        Let's squat down.
        Because you can't just go and steal three trillion dollars.
    2. + 17
      26 December 2024 05: 55
      We resemble an old flat-bottomed boat, with a lot of holes
      Rather, that barge with fuel oil, which our company pulled out with the help of a tugboat onto the sandbank in 2007, and it began to sink in the Sea of ​​Azov, in absolute calm. When they inspected it, they were surprised how it passed the Register, hole after hole.
    3. +5
      26 December 2024 12: 19
      Maybe, for a start, stop shipping in the territorial waters of Khaklomordia and on the Danube by using anti-ship missiles, having previously notified the world community? But it seems that the rulers will not raise their hand for fear of being condemned by Progressive humanity.
    4. + 10
      26 December 2024 13: 07
      To answer, you need iron testicles. And children with relatives at home, not abroad. Our bigwigs are becoming more and more ridiculous. And the attitude towards them is like towards neutered cats. They scream, but what's the point?
      1. 2al
        +8
        26 December 2024 16: 04
        I will add that, as Peskov stated, the "elders" are drawn into some private negotiations (it is possible that to distract attention and block real actions), for example with France, and the people will swallow the bragging of the analog-shitnet wonder weapon, so there is no time and will not be time for substantive answers. Therefore, there will be many unanswered slaps. I agree that the discontent of people in various layers of society is growing into contempt and hatred, and it is noticeable how intensively the special services of "unfriendly" countries monitor and heat up these moods, trying to steer this process, but as always in Russia, the result will be unpredictable.
        1. 0
          27 December 2024 10: 00
          The special services can do nothing - the Russian leadership itself is successfully trying to arouse contempt in all patriots
    5. +2
      26 December 2024 19: 33
      Quote from turembo
      We resemble an old flat-bottomed boat, with a bunch of holes, it seems like we need to swim, and bail out water, and we kind of want to fish, although it seems like we can’t swim, but it seems like few people care.

      For some reason, "smart" politicians and "patriotic" businessmen are the best at fishing. Forbes confirms.
  3. + 22
    26 December 2024 05: 00
    Another reason for another red line.
    "If a fight is inevitable, you must strike first"
    Can you tell me who said this? Or "you don't understand, it's different"?
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      2. + 15
        26 December 2024 10: 42
        Another thing is surprising. He recently said that the SVO should have been started earlier. I have a rhetorical question: who was the head of state who signed Minsk 1, 2. Was he happy to be deceived?
        1. + 13
          26 December 2024 11: 37
          Don't even doubt it. The SVO could have been started in 2014, many smart people talked about it. But alas. The money is there, the children are there. However, just like now. The Russian bourgeois will not peck out the eyes of the Western bourgeois. On the contrary - always.
          1. 2al
            +4
            26 December 2024 16: 14
            Class solidarity, aristocrats still fought with the bourgeoisie, but the bourgeoisie do not fight with the bourgeoisie but harshly bargain with other people's goods and lives. In reality, only their class enemy fights with the bourgeoisie
            1. +1
              27 December 2024 14: 49
              Class solidarity, aristocrats still fought with the bourgeoisie, but the bourgeoisie do not fight with the bourgeoisie, but harshly bargain with other people's property and lives.
              Only Russian bourgeois do not benefit from history lessons. However, where there is profit, the bourgeois' mind switches off, only the instincts of profit work, and they allow them to do everything that is contrary to human nature and very well illustrates the animal nature.
    2. +4
      26 December 2024 08: 15
      Can you tell me who said that?
      Probably the one who spoke was the one who had a tractor spring in his hands, but he was deceived and kicked by the crowd.
    3. +3
      26 December 2024 13: 09
      So buddies for money and relatives can quickly remind us of the fate of Paul the First.
    4. +4
      26 December 2024 20: 17
      "But how do you know that a fight is inevitable? Maybe you can give him your wallet and watch and there won't be a fight? Or maybe they'll give you a couple of slaps on the back of the head and there won't be a fight? You can also pretend that there were no blows, and therefore no fight. Or you can wet your pants and your opponent will disdain to mess with you."
      I think there is such a philosophy there. They recently said that the main goal is to prevent a nuclear war in the world, I was a bit taken aback. I thought the main goal is to protect the country by any means, even a nuclear war. Otherwise, why have a nuclear war at all?
      1. +1
        27 December 2024 06: 29
        Quote from alexoff
        Otherwise, why have nuclear weapons at all?

        Our bourgeois don't need nuclear weapons, this is their common problem with the West, which is terrorizing Russia precisely because of this great Soviet legacy. Until now, Russia is the only country in the world that is guaranteed to destroy the USA.
        It seems that the main goal is to bring things to a head now, to ruin and bleed Russia, the Russian people, and then, when the last nuclear trump card remains, with empty warehouses, worn-out equipment, human losses, in the name of peace and humanism, to hand over our nuclear weapons to external control. Like, we fought the "enemies" like lions, did what we could, there is no reason to raise us, as traitors, on bayonets and pitchforks.
        Judging by the way they sell raw materials to enemies, how the SVO was started and is being conducted, such thoughts come more and more often, why do our bourgeois need Russia when their billions will be gone...
        1. +1
          27 December 2024 12: 10
          It is not necessary to hand over to external control. We can arrange a Syrian scenario - the degenerates have disappeared somewhere, the enemies are stupidly bombing our military facilities without any resistance. Otherwise, how can you put four SSBNs next to each other?!
        2. +1
          27 December 2024 17: 56
          Russia will never again receive such income from oil and gas as before. Read the reports. The country is undergoing reverse industrialization. In short, Iran 2.0 hello
    5. -1
      26 December 2024 22: 27
      Everyone can't find a suitable toilet. Well, so that right away...
  4. + 21
    26 December 2024 05: 27
    According to Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Alexander Novak, total gas supplies from Russia to Europe via pipeline and liquefied natural gas (LNG) have increased by 18-20% this year compared to 2023. This news was published yesterday in the News section on VO. We are fighting NATO, through the hands of Ukraine. And the details that the author missed. The explosions occurred in the engine room area. The ship left St. Petersburg. Two options. The explosives were carried before departure or magnetic mines, but when and where they were installed is a question. On site or when entering a foreign port. But the conclusion is sad, Ukrainian intelligence operates on the territory of the Russian Federation with impunity. And a small digression, they laughed at Soviet spy films and novels of the 30s, 50s, haha, "spy mania." In light of recent events, then it was serious.
    1. + 18
      26 December 2024 07: 15
      A strange military operation.
      V. Solovyov is collecting money for drones, asking people to donate even 100 rubles.
      And someone from Russia is selling gas to enemies.
      And someone from Russia is investing money into the budget of enemies.

      .Russian residents increased their investments in US government bonds to $28 million in October. In July and August, investments were estimated at $24 million, and in September they increased to $25 million. ...
      1. +8
        26 December 2024 09: 26
        Quote: AA17
        And someone from Russia is selling gas to enemies.

        The history of the conflict began precisely because of gas and oil. Before that, Russian and Ukrainian politicians somehow came to an agreement with each other. Remember the "old woman with a scythe", low prices for the countries of the former union, high for the EU, hence the theft and resale, an attempt to agree on the transfer of rights to the buyer at the border, etc.
        If we abstract ourselves, it turns out that they simply did not divide the business. "Gas seller" with "Delivery". And this business is very fat and reliable. Milking the EU.
        So all the methods of blackmail and attempts to sting more painfully, on principle, to show who is cooler and whose conditions will be observed, went on. Increasingly. And the strongest and weakest points of each other are known to close people (countries). And the resentment, anger are usually stronger in close people who quarreled. The enemies took advantage of this quarrel.
        If you look at it from this point of view, the motives are somehow more understandable. Why does the "gas seller" not want to give up customers, and the "deliverer" threatens and already refuses transit, although before the passions flared up, everything was the other way around.
        1. +4
          26 December 2024 10: 11
          Remember the "grandmother with a scythe"
          The one that the firemen were looking for and the dog with the police came on a warrant issued by the prosecutor's office? And then, in a pumpkin carriage, she rushed in as the prime minister to sign a new gas contract...Who doesn't remember this comedy: "The Queen of the Gas Pipeline"
        2. +4
          26 December 2024 11: 03
          Quote: Azim77

          The history of the conflict began precisely because of gas and oil. Before that, Russian and Ukrainian politicians had somehow agreed with each other.

          And how do you explain this - Yushchenko, from the TV screen: - "There will be no more backroom agreements with Russia. We are moving to market relations with them." After some time, the cost of gas jumped from $50 to $170.
          Quote: Azim77
          Remember the "grandmother with a scythe"

          "The woman with the scythe" will be later and, as a result of her visit to Moscow, the price of gas rose even more.
          And what place in this “fight for gas” do you give to the fight against the Russian language?
          After all, this fight against language began under Yushchenko.
          1. 0
            26 December 2024 11: 46
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            And what place in this “fight for gas” do you give to the fight against the Russian language?

            This and subsequent steps, which reached the ATO and the murder of civilians, the denial of everything common - this is the same pressure that comes from principle, not common sense. "I will never forgive." This is the tragedy of the situation and the gloating of external enemies.
            1. +4
              26 December 2024 16: 26
              Quote: Azim77

              These are the subsequent steps that led to the ATO

              You still haven't understood that the discord between the Outskirts and Russia didn't start because of gas and oil. It was precisely at the instigation of the West and the mattress makers who wanted to tear the Outskirts away from Russia that the issues of language, the "Holodomor", Stalin's repressions, etc. were raised. Anti-Russian rhetoric in the Outskirts media began quietly, little by little, under the hunchback, and in 91 they started talking openly and at the top of their voices. Nobody thought about gas and oil then.
              1. +3
                27 December 2024 05: 41
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Anti-Russian rhetoric in the media of the Outskirts began quietly, little by little under the hunchback, and in 91 they started talking openly and at the top of their voices. Nobody thought about gas and oil then.

                Much earlier! It's just that in '91 it became not scary to talk about it! I just remember... I served in Ukraine and left it in '92.
        3. 0
          27 December 2024 17: 58
          Personally, it doesn't matter, because ordinary people get nothing from this gas and oil. You could say that oil and gas are a burden and a curse for Russia and its peoples.
      2. +1
        26 December 2024 09: 32
        If only we could add to this our immeasurable billions in foreign accounts, from which streams and rivers flow to the Ukrainians in the form of weapons and other aid... With our lard, and we get our share... Sort out the mess, Mother Russia.
      3. +2
        27 December 2024 10: 53
        The key phrase is "Russian residents". It also includes various "best people from Londongrad" like the Chichvarkins and Orthodox Chekists Yakunins. Usually the choice there is either blocking assets stolen from Russia, or "correct investments", for example, in treasuries. The choice is obvious.
    2. + 15
      26 December 2024 07: 45
      And a small digression, we laughed at Soviet spy films and novels of the 30s and 50s, haha, "spy mania". In light of recent events, it was serious then.
      It was quite serious then. And there was a response to the cruiser Novorossiysk: during an attempt to inspect the cruiser Ordzhonikidze, the diver Lionel Krebbs surfaced, but for some reason without a head.
      1. +5
        26 December 2024 08: 41
        1. battleship, 2. but did they find Krebs?
        1. +4
          26 December 2024 12: 54
          Later, they found someone's body, they assumed it was him. No one else was diving in that area at that time )))
        2. +4
          26 December 2024 18: 38
          Found without a head. The head was not found. Before this, everything was done legally clean - he had resigned from the British Navy a month before, this was in case if they caught him, then they could present everything as a private initiative.
      2. +5
        26 December 2024 10: 51
        Quote: Aviator_
        And there was a response to the cruiser "Novorossiysk"
        The battleship Novorossiysk, formerly the Italian Giulio Cesare (Julius Caesar), was blown up by the British, the "gift" was laid down in Malta before being handed over to the USSR after the war as reparations. It was activated after Stalin's death in October 1955, before the squadron was supposed to leave for the shores of Egypt. The British did not answer for this. Moreover, the official version under Khrushchev was almost like, "it drowned"... All materials of the commission investigating the tragedy were classified, most of the materials were destroyed. Nikita Sergeyevich hushed up a difficult to prove and inconvenient incident, shifted the blame to Admiral Kuznetsov's negligence, and, less than six months later, arrived to visit his British "partners" in Foggy Albion to establish peaceful coexistence with the West.
        About Crabb, with the incident with the cruiser "Ordzhonikidze" in April 1956 - "the Crabb case". Here we can only add that, fearing an international scandal, this case was also hushed up, mainly thanks to the British Prime Minister Anthony Eden.
        1. Aag
          +1
          26 December 2024 14: 23
          Quote: Per se.
          Quote: Aviator_
          And there was a response to the cruiser "Novorossiysk"
          The battleship Novorossiysk, formerly the Italian Giulio Cesare (Julius Caesar), was blown up by the British, the "gift" was laid down in Malta before being handed over to the USSR after the war as reparations. It was activated after Stalin's death in October 1955, before the squadron was supposed to leave for the shores of Egypt. The British did not answer for this. Moreover, the official version under Khrushchev was almost like, "it drowned"... All materials of the commission investigating the tragedy were classified, most of the materials were destroyed. Nikita Sergeyevich hushed up a difficult to prove and inconvenient incident, shifted the blame to Admiral Kuznetsov's negligence, and, less than six months later, arrived to visit his British "partners" in Foggy Albion to establish peaceful coexistence with the West.
          About Crabb, with the incident with the cruiser "Ordzhonikidze" in April 1956 - "the Crabb case". Here we can only add that, fearing an international scandal, this case was also hushed up, mainly thanks to the British Prime Minister Anthony Eden.

          A very interesting, illustrative example, a series of events. Including, - and the interpretation, explanation of them (events) for the public...
          If in adolescence you were interested in "details", "video sequences" (I mean semi-childish fantasies in terms of Adventures, Heroism... (the series of books "Military adventures").
          Well, - like about Chingachgook performed by Gojko Mitic)))), then, later, - the technical component, - this is when I went to DOSAAF at the age of 14 to master scuba diving.))).
          However, these are all details and emotions...
          From what you wrote, - Yeah. Politics is dirty, changeable... It comes from the created (created / BY WHOM?! / situation). Accordingly, - a successful, effective politician initially must be both tough and flexible. Ah! And also "honeyed" /with this, - everything is in order... For close ones... I mean not very distant... (((/. To come from the Task, and Possibilities.... This is where it becomes really sad.
          hi
      3. +1
        26 December 2024 11: 37
        He surfaced 14 months later in another place, and the confirmation that it was Krebbs is very weak and vague. The fact that he was headless and armless is more likely to be expected given the length of time the body had been underwater.
      4. +2
        26 December 2024 17: 39
        It was quite serious then.

        And I'm talking about this... And do you remember, here in the article, someone was caustically ironic about this? It was a long time ago, but it happened.
  5. + 12
    26 December 2024 05: 31
    If Ukrainian terrorists were able to kill the head of the NBC protection troops in the center of Moscow, then surely they are not capable of equipping a ship with several kilograms of explosives?

    They say a 50x50 cm hole appeared in the side of the bulk carrier after the explosion.
    Looks more like an external influence... a surface mine, an underwater drone or something similar is quite possible.
    I wouldn't rush to talk about Ukrainian saboteurs...most likely, specialists from the US and Britain could do something like that...to the best of their ability.
    So the third world war is already underway...the enemy is striking at our international logistics with the help of sabotage, terror...and unfortunately the Kremlin is very weakly resisting this...constantly missing the blows.
    1. +6
      26 December 2024 05: 48
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I wouldn't rush to talk about Ukrainian saboteurs...most likely, specialists from the US and Britain could do something like that...to the best of their ability.

      With no escort and a crew of only fifteen people, a couple of fire ships would be enough.
      1. +4
        26 December 2024 13: 25
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        In the absence of an escort

        That's the whole point: modern tactics\strategy of combat based on escorts ("civilian vessels" + "military escort vessels"), stops working. Today, due to the emergence and development of "Guided Weapons (GU)" it is no longer possible to place an escort at a distance of tens of kilometers from the protected objects and thereby provide protection through the concept of greater distance of the front line from the protected objects. Today, it is possible to provide protection of a vessel only and only due to the APS placed on the vessel itself, any other methods of protection are countered: by improving the GU, multi-vector attack trajectories of the GU, the number of GU in a salvo, and/or using GU in conjunction with bad weather (when it is dangerous for the escort to be near the protected vessel because there may be an accident)
        1. -1
          27 December 2024 03: 32
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          That's the whole point: modern tactics/strategy of combat based on escorts ("civilian ships" + "military escort ships") stops working.


          But there was no battle... There was probably an attack, and even a small ship could have prevented it. I mean the attack by BEKs, of course.
    2. + 10
      26 December 2024 06: 15
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      and unfortunately the Kremlin is very weak in resisting this...constantly taking hits.

      In this way, they awaken in us a disgust for the Kremlin’s “phlegmatic nature”...
      1. +6
        26 December 2024 06: 35
        The elites will find a way to respond to such "inducements". So that they don't speak and think incorrectly, but think and speak correctly. The "ingredients" after the loss of Syria will be a bit tense, but our rich elites will find them in Africa. The recipe is not simple, but it is certainly easier than raising the standard of living and so on. laughing

        How to tie tongues so that people don't say bad things about you.

        When you want to bind tongues so that they do not speak evil, prepare the following composition. Take the tongues of all those listed below, namely: raven, eagle, toad, water snake, white dove, white cock and hoopoe. Grind all the above-mentioned tongues into powder and mix them together.

        Then take a grain of pearl and an ounce of gold, silver, camphor, borax, and aloes. Grind them all into powder and mix them together. Then combine with the powder mentioned above and mix them all together with honey. After this, put the mixture in a white silk handkerchief.

        Then take two eyelashes of a falcon, two eyelashes of a peacock, the liver of a hoopoe, the liver of a cock, two bones from the wing of a pigeon and two bones from the wing of a hoopoe. Grind all this into powder, mix it with milk and place it in the same white silk handkerchief with that mixture.

        After this, make an image of white wax and call it by your name. Write your name and the sign of the Sun on its head, and your name and the sign of the Moon on its chest. Then wrap the image in another white silk scarf and put it wrapped in the above-mentioned mixture. Then tie it all up with a silk thread. Whoever wears this image will see miracles, and no one will say anything bad about it. Everyone will love and honor it.


        That's all there is to it, otherwise it's all "economics", "welfare" laughing
        1. +3
          26 December 2024 08: 39
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          The elites will find a way to respond to such "inducements".

          But if they wanted to respond seriously, they won't have time. Small (and large) blows are raining down from all sides. It's already unclear which one to respond to!
          1. +4
            26 December 2024 08: 42
            The state of our bureaucracy is such a big "jelly". It sways from such blows, but in its depths it does not feel them. The people feel them, but in the depths of the jelly the vibrations are not felt.
    3. +2
      26 December 2024 07: 56
      The Kremlin is very weak in its resistance to this...constantly taking hits.

      Either there is no opportunity or political will. Or maybe both.
    4. +4
      26 December 2024 08: 29
      It's a small hole, and a ship with a displacement of over 12 thousand tons wouldn't start listing so quickly.
    5. + 12
      26 December 2024 08: 32
      They say a 50x50 cm hole appeared in the side of the bulk carrier after the explosion.
      The question is different: how was the fight for survivability organized after a hole was made in the ship’s hull?
      Each crew member who detects water ingress is required to:
      report the incident to the duty officer or duty engineer in every possible way, indicating the location, size and nature of the damage;
      without waiting for the arrival of the emergency response team, begin to seal the detected water leak, if this is possible and the necessary emergency equipment is available nearby, while taking all possible measures to limit the spread of water throughout the vessel.

      Classification of body damage:

      small holes, including breaches of the watertightness of portholes, scuppers, necks - with an area of ​​0,05 m2;
      medium-sized holes, including breaches of the watertightness of seacocks and other closures of overboard openings - up to 0,2 m2;
      large holes, including breaches of the watertightness of log shafts, small hatches, manhole doors and other closures up to 2 m2;
      very large holes, including breaches of the watertightness of hatches, cargo ports and other closures - over 2 m2.
      Sealing holes.

      In general, when a small or medium hole is received, when the capacity of the drainage equipment is greater than the volume of incoming water, if possible, the vessel should be stopped, the list should be leveled in accordance with the documentation on stability and unsinkability available on the vessel, a patch should be applied, the water should be pumped out, the hole should be repaired and the vessel should continue moving, while monitoring the possibility of further water flow through the repaired hole.

      When a large or very large hole is received, the volume of water entering the compartment cannot be pumped out by drainage pumps, and the time of flooding of the compartment is measured in minutes or even seconds. Therefore, in the presence of large holes located below the waterline, the fight for survivability is carried out after the flooding of the compartment. In this case, along with the above measures, it is necessary to combat the possibility of water filtration through the vessel.

      On ships with double sides and a double bottom, equipped with compressors and special pipes and hoses for pumping air into compartments, in the event of damage to only the bottom or only the outer side, air should be pumped into the flooded compartment in order to lower the water level to the site of the breach. In this case, it is necessary to constantly monitor the bulkheads of the flooded compartment and, if they are bulging, immediately reduce the compression pressure.
      1. +3
        26 December 2024 10: 14
        What's the point? The ship and cargo are insured, the owner won't be left out in the cold.
        1. +6
          26 December 2024 11: 16
          What's the point? The ship and cargo are insured, the owner won't be left out in the cold.
          If what you write was part of the ship owner's plan, then I agree with you. If not, then the questions are for the captain and crew.
      2. +5
        26 December 2024 10: 47
        I was also struck by the fact that the crew did not try to conduct a fire at all, judging by the available videos, there was no fire on the boat, the ship is not small, if one compartment was lost, it could have been leveled by taking on ballast
        1. kig
          +1
          27 December 2024 17: 25
          Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
          the crew didn't try to maintain a safe zone at all,

          None of us know what exactly happened. Where, in what place, the explosions took place. Maybe one of them destroyed the main switchboard. Maybe so much water came through the hole that it was impossible to pump it out. There could be several scenarios, and if this was a deliberate act of sabotage, then the organizers should have foreseen all the options.

          We don't know what happened. But we are already ready to blame and punish.
      3. +3
        26 December 2024 13: 34
        These were Soviet standards; according to modern Western standards, when a danger signal sounds, everyone evacuates.
        In the USSR, crews on ships ranged from 30 to 80 people, while abroad, crews were already 12-18 people.
        1. +3
          26 December 2024 15: 18
          These were Soviet standards; according to modern Western standards, when a danger signal sounds, everyone evacuates.
          There is GOST R 56024-2014 "SHIP SAFETY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM"
          Requirements for the organization of provision
          "survivability of the vessel" it has such a clause
          p.10 Measures to combat vessel survivability

          If you wish, you can read it yourself.
          1. 0
            26 December 2024 20: 46
            the severity of the laws in this is compensated by the non-obligatory nature of their implementation
            1. +1
              27 December 2024 08: 31
              the severity of the laws in this is compensated by the non-obligatory nature of their implementation
              I agree with you, the problem is different: there is no control over the implementation of laws in the country.
              1. +1
                27 December 2024 09: 39
                lost one day for the sake of the profits of big businessmen
    6. +8
      26 December 2024 08: 34
      One thing is clear so far. The ship needs to be raised if the depths allow it and an investigation needs to be conducted. Then it will be clear that it was planted explosives or an external impact (a sea drone, a mine, a torpedo). And it is time to move on to decisive action. All these expressions of concern give the enemy a feeling of permissiveness. What to do? And what do Israel and the US do in response to such actions? That's right, they destroy the terrorist leaders.
      1. kig
        0
        27 December 2024 17: 26
        Quote from lako
        The ship needs to be raised

        There are two thousand meters there.
    7. +1
      26 December 2024 08: 42
      the crew seems to be talking about 3 consecutive explosions, no?
    8. +3
      26 December 2024 19: 40
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      They say a 50*50 cm hole appeared in the side of the bulk carrier after the explosion

      And such a hole was the cause of the flooding? Nonsense...
      1. kig
        0
        27 December 2024 17: 28
        Quote: AlexSam
        was such a hole the cause of the flooding?

        Ask Yandex the question "calculation of water inflow through a hole", and the answer will surprise you greatly.
    9. +1
      26 December 2024 20: 31
      They wrote there that there were three explosions. The ship was sinking for quite a long time, there was some kind of struggle. And since it was sinking for a long time, and there were two dead, the explosion was probably not like the TMka. Or those two were unlucky enough to be standing right in that place.
    10. 0
      27 December 2024 05: 49
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      They say a 50x50 cm hole appeared in the side of the bulk carrier after the explosion.

      Who is speaking? Or is he simply "lying as an eyewitness"?
  6. -2
    26 December 2024 05: 32
    "The Americans are pumping up Europe with liquefied gas from giant gas tankers. But we are not allowed to build such. Purely theoretically, could the Ukrainians make a provocative move and attack such a colossus in order to unleash a war between Russia and NATO? Or will the tanker break at the most inopportune moment?"
    drinks
    1. +4
      26 December 2024 07: 23
      The Americans are pumping up Europe with liquefied gas from giant gas carriers. But we are not allowed to build such.

      Nobody forbids us anything, it's just that our wretchedness in terms of "import substitution" is a hindrance. Okay, we can build it crookedly. But where will they go if they start to sink them? The Northern Sea Route, just in case, is almost entirely in the zone accessible to mining.
    2. +2
      26 December 2024 13: 36
      Americans do not allow us to sell gas to Europe, and they do not allow us to buy our gas. At the same time, there were situations when Americans bought gas from us at a low price and sold it to Europe at a slightly higher price!
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  8. -12
    26 December 2024 05: 37
    accidents on cables of EU-NATO countries? F-18 shot down by Houthis? explosions at factories of NATO countries?
    Let's put this together - these are our answers... or the sabotage they responded to.
    but we will answer. don't doubt. there are many options: the ukro regime will hit the western ships with backdoors to spread the war.
  9. -8
    26 December 2024 06: 12
    The Americans are pumping up Europe with liquefied gas from giant gas carriers. But we are not allowed to build such.

    But no one is stopping us from sinking these gas carriers right in the ocean... And let them rack their brains over why it exploded...
    1. +4
      26 December 2024 10: 17
      hmm... I gave away 27 calendars in the service of the USSR/RF Navy - but I can't imagine how you see it? A missile attack on a civilian vessel? A torpedo attack? A kamikaze seiner? You have to "rack your brains" - and the rest is just a step towards "World War IV with knotty clubs"
      1. 0
        26 December 2024 22: 35
        Well, for example, an underwater drone that will attach itself to a hull in the open sea and blow up a gas carrier in the port during gas transfer. Loud, beautiful, safe. Will not lead to war. By the way, we had developments in underwater drones and boats, their carriers.
  10. -2
    26 December 2024 06: 31
    Let me remind you of a fragment of the discussion about Port Arthur:
    This means powerful cruiser squadrons capable of interrupting British shipping in Asia, destroying its coaling stations, etc. England, after all, is the mistress of the seas, but it kept its fleet in the metropolis. The British did nothing like the 2TOE transition, and the number of ships in Asia was not that great. And without coaling stations, they would not have been able to provide a cruiser fleet in Asia.

    Interruption of English shipping in Asia? Nicholas II was shot for less.


    And about Tartus:


    There is a struggle between a naval bloc and continental powers.
    In principle, this is not our territory, it is a temporary control point.
    We need time to stabilize the situation on our borders and strengthen the internal communications of the Russia-Iran-China/DPRK triangle.
    We need time to rebuild the military industry and restart the economy, oriented towards intracontinental trade.

    The stage of relatively peaceful coexistence is over. The era of "occupation dollars" is ending, the era of confrontation between two global unions - maritime and continental - is beginning. The methods of economic warfare have changed. Previously, these were "non-repayable loans", capital export, stimulation of emigration of the enemy's thieving elite, but now it is:
    - direct sanctions, trade bans, technology protection;
    - obstruction of navigation, naval blockade;
    - disconnection of financial systems, creation of instruments of financial isolation.
    In short, the era of comfortable escape with stolen dollars is over. And thieves with the enemy's national currencies are not welcome in London.

    1. + 11
      26 December 2024 07: 56
      Quote from Kuziming
      Let me remind you of a fragment of the discussion about Port Arthur:

      This once again demonstrated a profound misunderstanding of historical and modern processes.
      Powerful cruiser squadrons capable of interrupting British shipping in Asia at the end of the 19th century are not a "signal" like the undermining of the Nord Stream or the sinking of a given vessel. If we draw parallels with modern times, this is an analogue of nuclear weapons, that is, a means of strategic deterrence of those times.
      1. -4
        26 December 2024 08: 13
        Then came the bombardment of Copenhagen by the English squadron, the capture of the Dagu forts, the third Opium War, the Crimean War.
        Attempts to stealthily cut off trade without the support of a powerful battle fleet are the fruit of the inflamed imagination of immature minds.
        1. + 11
          26 December 2024 09: 31
          Quote from Kuziming
          Attempts to stealthily cut off trade

          Cruiser warfare was a completely legal method of conducting military operations, the rules of its conduct were regulated by the laws of war. Therefore, "to thievishly cut" is another evidence of your illiteracy
          Quote from Kuziming
          to cut off trade without the support of a powerful battle fleet is the fruit of the inflamed imagination of immature minds.

          And the concept of using a weak fleet against a strong one was a completely real one. Moreover, it seems absurd to you only because of your complete illiteracy in this matter. As usual, you confused Gogol with Hegel...
          Just so you know - in those years it would have been a mistake to hope to DEFEAT a stronger naval power by means of a cruiser war. But the Russian Imperial Navy did not set such a goal for itself - it was about inflicting heavy damage on British shipping. The essence of our cruiser squadrons in the Far East was precisely to maximize England's losses that it would suffer by declaring a war on us like the Crimean War and to force the sirs and peers to take into account in their political and economic calculations the damage that England would suffer in Asia if it entered the war against Russia.
          Russian cruiser squadrons in the Far East are not a means of terror, as you imagine, but one of the ways to prevent war with England
          1. -3
            26 December 2024 10: 22
            Russian cruiser squadrons in the Far East are not a means of terror, as you imagine, but one of the ways to prevent war with England

            As it turned out in reality, it was a sophisticated method of suicide for the Russian Empire.
            1. +6
              26 December 2024 10: 29
              Quote from Kuziming
              As it turned out in reality, it was a sophisticated method of suicide for the Russian Empire.

              And again - a mistake, this time a logical one. "After this does not mean because of this" (c) Firstly, the decision to develop the Far East could have been made under the influence of other considerations, and without taking into account the needs of the fleet, secondly, we can only say that the desire to strengthen the fleet in the Far East led to the Russo-Japanese War. Which was not the cause of the death of the Russian Empire. We can say that the reasons as a result of which the Russian Empire perished DID NOT ALLOW US TO WIN the Russo-Japanese War, but in itself it is not the cause of the death of the Empire.
              Moreover, if you think about it, you can even assume that without this shake-up we would have met WWI in a much worse state than it actually happened. But... this is for those who think.
          2. -3
            26 December 2024 10: 26
            Cruiser warfare was a completely legal method of conducting military operations, the rules of its conduct were regulated by the laws of war. Therefore, "to thievishly cut" is another evidence of your illiteracy

            When it is not to the lords' advantage, they change the rules. Cruising, privateering, supplying weapons to free rebels - the outcome will be in their favor, because they have real dominance at sea.
            "To thievishly cut off" - it was not meant to deceive the international community, but an attempt to deceive reality. We will honestly cut off their trade routes, and nothing will happen to us for it... Naive dreams.
            1. +4
              26 December 2024 10: 34
              Quote from Kuziming
              When it is not in the lords' interests, they change the rules.

              Yes, tell that to the German submariners of WWI:))))
              Your militant amateurism is admirable.
              Quote from Kuziming
              We will honestly cross their trade routes, and nothing will happen to us for it...

              Are you pretending not to understand what I wrote?
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Russian cruiser squadrons in the Far East are not a means of terror, as you imagine, but one of the ways to prevent war with England

              Or are you really incapable of understanding such a simple thesis?
  11. +6
    26 December 2024 06: 37
    Judging by the name of the vessel, this vessel is chartered by us. And with such vessels anything can happen. All such vessels have owner's insurance. But this is only a guess. Katasonov once said that for the money we pay for chartering, it would be possible to build our own vessels.
    1. +3
      26 December 2024 06: 44
      Well, the owner of the ship is Oboronlogistika. This is Sparta, which was bought 10 years ago to transport cargo to Tartus. It is also listed in the registers as Sparta 3.
      SPARTA III is a general cargo vessel built in 2009 by PS WERFTEN WOLGAST - WOLGAST, GERMANY. Currently sailing under the flag of the Russian Federation. Also previously known as EIT PALMINA, HYUNDAI BRITANIA, SCAN BRITANIA, SCAN_BRITANIA. Its gross tonnage is 12679 tons.
    2. -1
      26 December 2024 10: 21
      And who is Katasonov? Not an expert like Medovar, who spoke epically about the Crimean Bridge?
      1. +3
        26 December 2024 10: 34
        Katasonov V. Yu. is a decent, serious economist, but in recent years he has gone into "Christian conspiracy theories" and that is why many people make fun of him. As a specialist in currency exchange and monetary policy, he was actually one of the best, but he himself contributed to the fact that "conspiracy theorist of the 90th level" firmly attached to him.
  12. +4
    26 December 2024 07: 11
    The question arises as to why a vessel with a displacement of over 12000 tons sank so quickly? Even if we assume that there were 3 explosions, sinking such a vessel so quickly is not a trivial task. This means that either high-level specialists or one of the crew worked. You can't set surface mines on the move, a vessel on the move creates such waves that it is impossible to approach and attach charges. The only options are torpedoing or the explosives were inside the hull.
    1. +3
      26 December 2024 08: 10
      The explosives were inside the case.
      and you can't carry 20 grams of TNT in your pocket.
    2. kig
      0
      27 December 2024 17: 35
      Quote: Mitrich73
      why did a ship with a displacement of more than 12000 tons sink so quickly

      It's not that difficult, you just need to know what to do and have the means to do it.
  13. +6
    26 December 2024 07: 46
    What is the fight for?
    1. Free resources.
    In this respect, all that is required of Russia is to abandon its population, according to the Thatcher plan. To become a petrol station country again.
    2. Free and skilled labor. This is the second most important resource of the modern world.
    This requires China to abandon its high consumption standards and not lay claim to Taiwan.
    What is the special value of Taiwan?
    They still teach unsimplified hieroglyphs there. Mastering basic literacy requires more effort than our master's degree.
    3. What about the skilled workforce in Russia?
    Conduct any independent assessment of any technical college.
    Check:
    - competence of managers;
    - quality of applicants.
    Everything will become clear to you.

    Reasons for problems with skilled workers and engineers in Russia:
    At the stage of school education:
    - Smart people study together with the mentally retarded, mentally ill, and antisocially brought up. There is a leveling off at the lower level. There is no division by motivation level and mental abilities.
    - Schools are meeting parents' wishes to relax. Schools are turning into places to keep pets.
    - Programs for acquiring skills instead of knowledge imply the rejection of the intellectual component in training, the rejection of mental work;
    - Refusal of socially useful work, culture of eternal celebration;
    - Gambling addiction and mental degradation from early use of gadgets.
    1. +5
      26 December 2024 10: 26
      Tooting.
      I would like to add that there is no real demand for engineers, because there is no clear picture of the future. People do not want to master technical specialties, because they understand that the colonial administration will surrender its industry in order to maintain its own power.
  14. + 10
    26 December 2024 08: 07
    The Americans are pumping up Europe with liquefied gas from giant gas carriers. But we are not allowed to build such.
    That is, they didn’t get up from their knees, their muscles didn’t gain strength, their shoulders didn’t straighten out... There is no sovereignty.
  15. +6
    26 December 2024 08: 16
    The Kremlin sends to the West signals of unacceptability strikes with precision weapons deep into the country. Using the example of Dnepropetrovsk's Yuzhmash

    A signal that Ukrainians will answer for everything. This is, in fact, very is acceptableOh for the West!

    But the West does not agree to the Kremlin’s conditions, which means not a peace initiative, but actual capitulation.

    I don't understand this. I've read this phrase several times. Does the author mean that the West does not agree, and this is a capitulation, or are the Kremlin's conditions that harsh? If these are the Kremlin's conditions, then there is no actual, or even theoretical, capitulation.

    Capitulation in international law is the cessation of armed conflict and the surrender of the armed forces of one of the warring states.
    1. +4
      26 December 2024 09: 21
      What if it’s not “capitulation”, but “defeat”?
      Neither the West nor the Russian Federation want to retreat (it will be this way and not otherwise), the conditions put forward (compromise) are unacceptable. At the same time, everything has gone too far to give up (which again means their own defeat, and the victory of the enemy). But on the other hand, they are already tired of continuing.
  16. 0
    26 December 2024 08: 27
    The Ursa Major was followed along its entire route. At the very least, the Portuguese Air Force was doing this. But this cannot be called ordinary escort - the enemy was providing target designation for Ukrainian saboteurs. One option is to direct a group of BEKs from the Spanish coast.

    The answer will be to those who carried out the target designation? And then. If the Ukrainian saboteurs acted from the Spanish coast, then this is an attack by Spain itself.
    1. +8
      26 December 2024 08: 39
      Naturally, they monitored and accompanied. The question is different, why send a vessel, which is indicated everywhere as working for the military industry and military needs of the country, with a tonnage of 12 thousand tons and with an actual cargo of less than 1 thousand tons - across half the world and bypassing the EU in a situation of military-political confrontation? 129 empty containers and 810 tons of weight belay
      Is this some kind of especially gifted logistician or does it not matter at all how much the ship is carrying, how much fuel it uses and there are no threats? belay
      Well, if that's the case, then I'm out. Somehow, protective tanks weighing 1400 tons were transported overland from Uralmash to Zvezda...
    2. +2
      26 December 2024 09: 13
      Well, Gibraltar is nearby. And in Gibraltar there is a British naval base.
  17. +1
    26 December 2024 09: 33
    The Americans are pumping up Europe with liquefied gas from giant gas carriers. But we are not allowed to build such.

    I doubt very much that the Americans can prohibit ordering them from the same Chinese facilities, everything is much simpler, until recently there were pipelines that were cheaper, simpler and more reliable, gas carriers were simply not needed
  18. +9
    26 December 2024 09: 50
    I read the comments. There are many angry responses regarding our government in general and the guarantor in particular.
    What figures does VTsIOM give us for support for the guarantor, more than 70 percent?
    And so it is with us in everything. Whatever numbers are needed, those will be.
    True, sometimes things don't go according to plan. Either the terrorists in Syria kick Assad in the ass, or the partners misbehave, BUT there are always Solovyov and Kiselyov, who will explain to everyone that everything is according to plan.
    1. +9
      26 December 2024 11: 14
      Quote: Buskan
      I read the comments. There are many angry responses regarding our government in general and the guarantor in particular.

      this is the audience of "active commentators of this site". which does not reflect the general structure of society. This "nobody I know voted for him, where did these numbers come from? They made them up!" - this is the "color-revolutionary warm-up" from there... ))
      to rely on acquaintances-friends, comments of your favorite site-forum, is to lock yourself in a comfortable for yourself "echo chamber", from which all alternative thinkers have long been squeezed out, and what remains is the conventional "down with the capitalists and migrants! let's hit London decisively!"...
      it's neither good nor bad, but it's important to understand the difference...
    2. -5
      26 December 2024 17: 32
      well yes, drawing conclusions based on the comments of grief-stricken cisposhnitses like you and not the most intelligent hopeless pensioners who remember the "great USSR", that's so smart, so smart ))
    3. +2
      26 December 2024 20: 26
      I read the comments. There are many angry responses regarding our government in general and the guarantor in particular.
      What figures does VTsIOM give us for support for the guarantor, more than 70 percent?
      And so it is with us in everything. Whatever numbers are needed, those will be.

      All Maidan/anti-Maidan and other performances, as well as most of the comments are made by a handful of activists, the majority of people in principle are absolutely indifferent to who is in the presidential chair and who is in parliament, as long as there is money
    4. +1
      26 December 2024 20: 38
      Support for the guarantor only because of the formation of the political environment that either the guarantor or some oligarch-appointed Yashin. If we conduct a poll by VTsIOM, do you still feel sick of the red lines - 70% will say that they feel sick and when already?
  19. +3
    26 December 2024 09: 51
    Just look at this tanker, it's about to sink, and it's at sea in a storm.
  20. +2
    26 December 2024 10: 09
    Americans are pumping up Europe with liquefied gas from giant gas carriers. But we are not allowed to build such
    - It's strange, who, why on earth, is not allowing us to build giant gas tankers? - And should we ask anyone about this?
    1. +3
      26 December 2024 11: 20
      we can "not ask" and not try to negotiate...
      but then they will "suddenly" explode and sink...
      and/or suppliers of critical equipment will refuse contracts in advance under the threat of secondary-tertiary sanctions (and 100% import substitution is physically unrealistic)...

      Well, yes, of course, you can escort each ship with a military convoy, cover it with a "missile defense umbrella", but at that point, any transportation will lose its economic sense with such costs for security...
      1. +5
        26 December 2024 11: 40
        And isn't it the same now? - the same sabotage with planes, tankers... - Ursa Major sank as a result of sabotage, so what? - by the way, why didn't Ursa Major go the Northern Sea Route? - it would have been safer, and yes, of course there is a war going on now and casualties are inevitable, even not at the front, but then let's not trade with enemies - it's not logical and immoral!
        1. kig
          0
          28 December 2024 03: 25
          Quote: SEVERIN
          Why didn't the Big Dipper go along the Northern Sea Route?

          Because not all vessels are allowed to pass through the NSR in winter. It would take a long time to tell, you can find out for yourself by asking Yandex.
          1. 0
            28 December 2024 06: 24
            No need to be clever - the cargo that the Big Dipper was transporting could have been sent by rail or another vessel along the NSR, but it was sent by the longest and most dangerous route - why?
            1. kig
              0
              28 December 2024 09: 57
              Quote: SEVERIN
              Don't be smart

              I sense that you already have a theory, and certainly the smartest one? State it. It will be interesting.
              1. 0
                28 December 2024 10: 00
                I think I have already stated everything that is necessary - what is not clear?
                1. kig
                  0
                  28 December 2024 10: 28
                  Everything is unclear. You were surprised why the ship did not go the Northern route, I explained that it was not allowed there in winter. But you did not believe me, you apparently have a different version. Explain.
                  1. 0
                    28 December 2024 10: 33
                    You are like a schoolboy at the blackboard - you need to explain everything, but you yourself cannot think through the next steps, if the Big Dipper cannot pass the NSR - well, load it onto another vessel, what's the problem? - why risk the vessel, cargo, crew and reputation? - you still don't understand something?
                    1. kig
                      0
                      28 December 2024 10: 49
                      I understand that you are stuck. It is a pity that the shipper did not consider it necessary to ask your advice.
                      1. 0
                        28 December 2024 10: 53
                        Thank God that you finally realized that it was not the shipper, but the carrier who should have thought about which vessel to use to transport the cargo, and it was not me but you who got stuck.
                      2. kig
                        0
                        28 December 2024 11: 00
                        Well, now the carrier is to blame. Ask him questions. But please, look for his contacts yourself.
                      3. 0
                        28 December 2024 11: 34
                        You are wrong from start to finish - the shipper only finds a logistics agent, which is the carrier, who searches for a vessel and sends the cargo, from the moment the cargo is handed over to the carrier, the shipper only waits for the cargo to arrive at the port of unloading, and dear colleague - do not try to confuse me, you will not succeed.
                      4. kig
                        0
                        28 December 2024 12: 26
                        I don't intend to confuse anyone, but you, colleague, are shifting the blame very tactfully. How did our, so to speak, discussion begin: you were perplexed as to why the vessel did not go via the NSR. You heard somewhere that this is the shortest and safest route, and that is enough for you. I gave, so to speak, a tip: Yandex, winter navigation along the Northern Sea Route, but you, as I understand it, do not want to search. Okay, colleague, so be it.
                      5. 0
                        28 December 2024 12: 31
                        I gave, so to speak, a tip: Yandex, winter navigation along the Northern Sea Route, but you, as I understand it, do not want to search. Okay, colleague, let it be so
                        - Yes, I'm not going to look for any leads - with or without me, the shipper and the carrier met and came to an agreement, and I can only wonder how correct their decision was.
                      6. kig
                        0
                        28 December 2024 15: 54
                        You are surprised in vain. Be that as it may, it has already happened.
                      7. 0
                        28 December 2024 18: 22
                        This is exactly what happened, if they had thought better, it would not have happened.
    2. kig
      0
      27 December 2024 17: 41
      Quote: SEVERIN
      Why the hell aren't we allowed to build giant gas tankers? -

      The author is a little off here. There is a series of large gas carriers of the Yamalmax type, with a capacity of 180000 m3. Not the largest in the world, but quite decent. Another thing is that they were built in South Korea, and their construction at Zvezda has become somewhat depressing. But otherwise, no one forbids it.
      1. 0
        27 December 2024 19: 56
        Yes, the author seems to be
        The author is a little off here
        - It happens, it happens.
  21. +1
    26 December 2024 10: 12
    with the proper level of agreements, the country will be left without any export flows at all
    That's right. You just need to add - ANY country. Any)
    Firstly, our economy is mostly continental, a huge amount of our cargo goes by land. But the economy of some other countries, we won't point fingers at them, is almost purely maritime. And we, unlike this country, that is, these countries), don't really need to negotiate with anyone. It's hard to even imagine what damage could be done to the economy of this country with a mirror response. Poor Dow Jones... We should send a "signal" on this matter in response as soon as possible, so that they wake up a little.
  22. +5
    26 December 2024 10: 17
    More trash from loyalists. How convenient it is to blame everything on citizens of a neighboring state.
  23. +2
    26 December 2024 10: 29
    Any logistics in the open sea is vulnerable. The author thinks he discovered America? I wonder how the explosives got on the ship. Well, it's time to bring back the death penalty.
  24. -2
    26 December 2024 10: 43
    Only division along the Odessa-Kyiv line will save Ukraine.
  25. +1
    26 December 2024 10: 50
    Two questions:
    1. Where in the Far East are nuclear icebreakers built?
    2. If the ship was heading to the Far East, why did it enter the Mediterranean Sea through Gibraltar?
    1. +1
      26 December 2024 21: 27
      I guess they wanted to get into the Suez Canal.
    2. kig
      0
      27 December 2024 17: 44
      Zvezda Plant, Bolshoy Kamen City. Our plans are enormous.
  26. +1
    26 December 2024 11: 04
    Everything is going downhill..
    Straight DOWNWARD MOVEMENT!!!!

    Well, that's exactly about us... let's make it even worse for us so that everyone forgets about our other mistakes...
  27. +4
    26 December 2024 11: 51
    The low professionalism of the ship's crew is astounding. A hole in the side measuring only 50 cm is easily repaired by applying a patch within a maximum of 1 hour, or even less. We have had to patch up much larger holes many times. It's somehow embarrassing for modern crews who do not have basic understanding of survivability and the leadership that sends such a crew to sea.
    1. -1
      26 December 2024 14: 27
      Well, if there were three explosions, then the hole is 50x50, which doesn't fit with three explosions. Most likely there was something bigger there.
    2. +2
      26 December 2024 15: 47
      Quote: sailor Roman
      The low professionalism of the ship's crew is striking. A hole in the side measuring only 50 cm is easily repaired by applying a patch within a maximum of 1 hour, or even less.

      Most likely, patches and similar beams and wedges are not included in the mandatory list of emergency equipment for this type of vessel.
    3. +1
      26 December 2024 16: 02
      I didn't have a chance to work under RMRS, but the Russian Register is a member of IACS, and the rules there are more or less unified. The most I've seen were plugs for bottom-overboard fittings and "blankets" for seacock enclosures. And even then, all this was not intended for the fight for survivability, but for intermediate surveys without dry-docking.
    4. 0
      27 December 2024 02: 18
      Your low level of professionalism is astounding - there is no band-aid on this vessel at all.
      He is physically absent there.
  28. +2
    26 December 2024 12: 01
    Despite the overall tragic nature of the events, there is no reason to panic.
    “- said Damocles, looking up, where the horsehair on which the sword was held had already broken.

    If anyone remembers from history when the Anglo-Saxons stopped without getting a good punch in the teeth, let him be the first to throw a stone at the author.
  29. +1
    26 December 2024 12: 14
    People and horses got all mixed up
  30. -2
    26 December 2024 12: 18
    According to the American establishment, Russia must first be “softened” using the tactic of a thousand pricks.
    **********

    What if we start to "soften" them?))
    Tactics of multiple small cuts.
    No, not in Europe. I think their oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico would be fine. LNG tankers would be fine too..)
    V. Britain can easily organize a naval blockade. Have we run out of submarines?)
    This could be quite a signal.
    Well, so that the bourgeoisie doesn't relax from their own "impunity"
    1. 0
      26 December 2024 21: 33
      We have an expert on this topic, Andryusha from Chelyabinsk. I don't follow his train of thought, but he definitely has a plan.
  31. -2
    26 December 2024 12: 23
    Bravo to the author!
    I honestly admit that I sent my first post without finishing reading the article.
    In general, the message is clear)
  32. -1
    26 December 2024 13: 23
    It is quite logical to begin retaliatory sabotage against English ships. This is their profile, Ukrainians technically incapable, unless as a link in an operational plan.
  33. +2
    26 December 2024 13: 56
    The article is interesting only for the photos. Why did they sink the ship, it is a warning about NATO capabilities. They sunk it demonstratively in front of all of Europe, now look, look, examine at a depth of 2 km. Who was lowered face down into the mud???
  34. +7
    26 December 2024 13: 56
    If the power for the 4th decade is held by traders, and, to put it mildly, not intellectuals and not creators at all, instead of statesmen and patriots, a degenerating deeply class society has been created, living according to different moral and ethical and legal laws, then it is difficult to expect creative creation and adequate state building with aggressively effective protection of their interests. Moreover, considering the self-elimination and criminal passivity in all spheres of the country's life without exception, evaluating everything and everyone spiritual and material only from the side of profit and money, with complete irresponsibility and immunity for their activities, total lies and hypocrisy.
  35. -7
    26 December 2024 14: 22
    I will not write anything new. I will write what I have been writing for more than two years: First, a powerful nuclear strike on a military or infrastructure facility in Western Ukraine as a warning with an ultimatum. Did not help. A second powerful nuclear strike on Lvov with a warning to the population. Did not help? A third powerful strike on Kyiv with a warning to the population.
    1. +3
      26 December 2024 18: 04
      First, a powerful nuclear strike on a military or infrastructure facility in Western Ukraine as a warning with an ultimatum. Didn't help. Second powerful nuclear strike on Lviv with a warning to the population. Didn't help? Third powerful strike on Kyiv with a warning to the population.

      All this reminds me of children's fuss in the sandbox. Only this is not a game, and if it is a game, then it is for two. You describe the enemy, and he - the whole pot on your head!
      Remember in "Bumbarash":
      I am Erema, you are Foma.
      And your piece of paper,
      I'll fill it with shag!
      Once again: nuclear weapons are used en masse to achieve a decisive victory in a strategic offensive. The rest is fireworks with grave consequences.
      You give me your word, I give you those two!
  36. +2
    26 December 2024 14: 31
    Such terror must be responded to in kind; other methods of response will not have the desired effect.
  37. +2
    26 December 2024 15: 09
    This game can be played by two. For example, a couple of NATO generals can accidentally fall from the 10th floor, or a hole can form in the tunnel under the English Channel, or a Norwegian oil or gas rig in the North Sea can suddenly explode, or the fiber optic cables between the US and Britain can suddenly break. The Naglosaxons do not understand it any other way, they do not understand our rules of the game, when we do not respond to any blows.
  38. +4
    26 December 2024 16: 07
    And why did the "Ministry of Defense" ship commit itself in a language other than Russian? What "conditions" can we talk about if we are still kissing the West's ass?
    1. 0
      1 January 2025 10: 51
      Because it is not a naval vessel or even a Russian merchant marine. Because its home port and flag are not Russian, as is the global practice of evading taxes and sanctions.
  39. +3
    26 December 2024 16: 30
    The most correct goal is to blow up an LNG TANKER during unloading, or while passing through a narrow strait. A simple oil tanker will do too. It is absolutely necessary to do this. So that on the other side they will realize that you can drive in different directions along the street.
    1. 0
      1 January 2025 11: 02
      It is problematic to blow up a gas carrier and not as easy as it seems. For a start, it is better armored than a WW1 battleship, has the most advanced security systems to date, and a special security regime is introduced in the ports of loading and unloading, and up to a marine battalion. The crews usually include a lot of Russians, especially from the command staff and the engine room. And most importantly, the target enemy, i.e. the executors, special services and sabotage units will not be harmed or suffer any damage.
  40. -1
    26 December 2024 16: 51
    I don't really want to end up on the paranoid list...

    There was no desire, but I managed.))
    And yes, “drowned”, “sea isthmus” and “ship” cause a slight stylistic and grammatical dissonance.))
  41. +3
    26 December 2024 17: 00
    tankers are the apotheosis of laziness, greed and impunity. They should have been written off long ago, but the last juices were squeezed out of them, no matter what. To drive this misunderstanding into the open sea in a storm.... I doubt that the crew was not aware of their actions, as there is always a "But", it is clear which of the "effective leaders" gave the command "forward" and now pretends to be white and fluffy...
    1. 0
      1 January 2025 11: 18
      There is also a rotten registry system, there is a specific name and surname of the inspector who signed the registration act, there is a specific name and surname of the PSC inspector who allowed the vessel to go to sea, there is a specific name of the shipowner and the charter company, directly responsible for the condition of the vessel and its operation. Given the rotten and semi-criminalized labor market in this area, with a very limited number of vessels, and therefore the employment potential of seafarers ready to go to sea on any rotten trough and in any region of the world, the crew here is more likely a victim. The master, although he bears full responsibility for the vessel, is also very limited in his actions by the instructions and requirements of the company and is also secondary, although he should have foreseen how this could end, like the chief and the grandfather.
  42. +4
    26 December 2024 20: 09
    The fact that the two Volga-Neft's broke down is not the fault of the khols, but of the domestic ministers - capitalists, owners of factories, newspapers and steamships. They squeezed absolutely everything out of the ships. They drove out to sea ships that were not adapted for sailing in winter conditions at sea. These are river ships, they have restrictions that the capitalists don't care about. In the end, the captains were blamed for everything. Enemies, in a word, internal enemies.
  43. +1
    26 December 2024 20: 33
    Dear Evgeny Fedorov! From your conclusions that "...the enemy has switched to terror tactics not because life is good...." You know, it doesn't make my soul feel any better, and anxiety "gets into the Soul, right with my feet"..... It is possible that the introduction of "Martial Law", with all its organizational, legal and social "bells and whistles", in such a huge country, would be a blessing in all everyday "parameters", ESPECIALLY in matters of personal responsibility before the Law, which should be "tightened" before the moratorium on the death penalty is lifted... It is already visible, even to the "naked eye", to the most "unruly" ordinary Russian citizen, that the organized NATO terror on Russian territories is growing exponentially.... And the confidence of the population that the State will protect it is melting like an icicle in the March sun... And what next??? We will continue to state the facts of catastrophes, accidents, deaths of civilians, high-ranking officials, arson and explosions throughout the country, destruction in some of its regions, which is carried out by only a Special Military Operation, which is classified as a police operation.....???? Some kind of "looking glass"....
  44. +1
    26 December 2024 20: 43
    I wonder how much the welding equipment that can weld these metal structures costs? How much does it cost to make software for automatic welding so that people don't have to leave their place and go to Vladivostok?
    I think it's 10 times smaller than the ship. And all that's needed is to spend the crumbs from Nabiullina's reserves wisely.
    .
    The second aspect of the problem. Why was Trans-Siberian built? To have a route to the East bypassing the impudent ones. It's time to change strategy and go into the mode of a besieged fortress, transporting everything by land, regardless of expenses. Or transport materials, manufacture everything on site. Otherwise, our ships will be sunk again.
    .
    The main culprit of the catastrophe is Nabiullina. It is she who is preventing our economy from developing and making us an attractive victim.
    .
    1. 0
      26 February 2025 00: 26
      You can't weld a rotten structure...
      It's not about the equipment here. And patching up a ship "on the move" "at sea" is not a very good job.
      It's one thing to go by river. But at sea, and in a storm... here we need to hold accountable those who decided to use these troughs for transportation, despite the fact that they couldn't be used. They'll say "there were risks", so let them answer for them!
  45. 0
    26 December 2024 20: 59
    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
    Well, if there were three explosions, then the hole is 50x50, which doesn't fit with three explosions. Most likely there was something bigger there.

    If there was something bigger there, the ship would have sunk much faster.
  46. 0
    26 December 2024 21: 48
    m yes all in a heap horses people. Flight of thought is just superluminal. But the author's idea is clear the West is stronger than all and will defeat everyone. It is necessary to urgently announce a meeting
  47. +1
    27 December 2024 09: 14
    Our position on this issue is disconcerting. The enemy has openly begun to use terrorist methods, and we are still tilting at windmills.
    1. 0
      29 December 2024 14: 10
      Dear APASUS! Yes! Cervantes with his immortal "The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha" continues to "weigh" over Russia... True, from time to time the "windmills" get it, "in full". without any embarrassment.....
  48. kig
    0
    27 December 2024 10: 04
    But we are not allowed to build such things.

    Well, why don't they allow it? And the Yamalmax series in the amount of 15 pieces? With a capacity of 180 m000. Of course, this is not Q-Max, but also not small. True, they were built in South Korea, and their own construction has somehow faded, but that's another question. There is the Zvezda plant, no one is stopping them from building there.
  49. +2
    27 December 2024 12: 38
    Even if you pee in my eyes, it's all God's dew. Three years have passed, how much more time is needed to understand that the Kremlin's puppeteers are not going to quarrel with their respected partners.
    - missile strikes on pre-war Russia - capture of part of the Kursk region
    -explosions of northern currents,
    -terrorist attack in Crocus
    - Numerous terrorist attacks with the murder of civil servants, including a general, - Daily drone attacks
    - explosion of the Crimean bridge
    -destruction of the cruiser Moskva
    - withdrawal of $300 billion
    Aren't these cases, left unanswered, enough to understand that there are traitors or trembling mice sitting in the Kremlin?
  50. 0
    27 December 2024 17: 49
    "What you deserve is what you get. What you get is what you deserve." - live by this principle and it will immediately become easier
  51. 0
    27 December 2024 21: 32
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote from Kuziming
    As it turned out in reality, it was a sophisticated method of suicide for the Russian Empire.

    And again - a mistake, this time a logical one. "After this does not mean because of this" (c) Firstly, the decision to develop the Far East could have been made under the influence of other considerations, and without taking into account the needs of the fleet, secondly, we can only say that the desire to strengthen the fleet in the Far East led to the Russo-Japanese War. Which was not the cause of the death of the Russian Empire. We can say that the reasons as a result of which the Russian Empire perished DID NOT ALLOW US TO WIN the Russo-Japanese War, but in itself it is not the cause of the death of the Empire.
    Moreover, if you think about it, you can even assume that without this shake-up we would have met WWI in a much worse state than it actually happened. But... this is for those who think.

    You still haven't answered. If the Russo-Japanese War. along with the Lena massacre. peasant uprisings. workers' reserve forces are not the reasons. The reasons are the land issue and then, paradoxically, in the year of WWI. the peace issue. Then what was the event of the Russo-Japanese War?
  52. 0
    28 December 2024 19: 48
    Despite all the tragedy of what is happening in the world, we are witnesses of the Renaissance and Formation of Russia
    AS the Superpowers of this Civilization!
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  54. 0
    30 December 2024 00: 24
    In any case: sabotage is a game that can be played by two people. It is quite possible that they are already playing it. One can recall the mysterious explosions at military factories in Europe (Germany, Great Britain, etc.), at various arsenals and warehouses (the author does not hint at anything, but only thinks out loud). One can assume that such emergencies will occur more and more often (I will not even mention damage to various cables). This is a matter of everyday life and, in some ways, inevitable.....
  55. 0
    4 January 2025 14: 23
    Dear readers and writers! Can any of you explain to me, a fool, what kind of artist's ship, carrying cargo needed by someone in Vladivostok, makes an incredible detour to the Mediterranean, with further passage through Suez, etc., etc.? Is it me or the skis that don't move? Or is this specific disinformation for the press, which is not fed? Seafarers, respond!