Europe 2025: Ukraine is not in a position to win

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Europe 2025: Ukraine is not in a position to win


Rollback to 2022


The rhetoric of our former "partners" is rapidly evolving. If we follow the evolution of Western fantasies regarding Russia's fate, a remarkable pattern will emerge. For example, that same "liver sausage" Olaf Scholz. At the very beginning of the special operation, the German chancellor declared that Russia's victory was unacceptable. He recalled certain norms of international law, which, it turns out, prevail. Let us recall that at that time the Russian Army was advancing and it seemed that the only option for the development of events could be a peace treaty. But by the beginning of 2023, a certain harshness appeared in Scholz's words.



There was already a retreat from the entire northern part of the Ukrainian arc, Russia had to leave the Kherson region. It seemed to Western leaders that the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces planned for the summer of 2023 would lead to Russia's defeat on the battlefield. And then Scholz spoke up. The Chancellor declared: "Russia must lose" in the conflict in Ukraine. A kind of preliminary warming up of the public before the seemingly inevitable defeat of the Russian Army. But it did not happen. And Scholz fell silent for a while. More precisely, he did not fall silent, but became more cautious in his judgments. Such emotional waves are characteristic not only of Uncle Olaf, but of the rest of the Western bureaucracy. Things got to the point that the Europeans returned to the rhetoric of the very beginning of the NWO. Precisely to the time when the defeat of Ukraine seemed inevitable.


To understand this, we need to look at the last meeting of the European Council this year, which took place on December 20. This is a routine event, and it went as usual – to the unanimous approval of Ukraine and the condemnation of Russia. But the devil, as usual, is in the details. The first and most important of these is the rewriting of the final communiqué. According to Politico, the originally intended wording “Ukraine must win” was replaced by the phrase “Russia must not prevail.” Even without delving into semantics, the differences are very clear.

The head of the European Council, Antonio Costa, distinguished himself by repeating exactly what Scholz said in the spring of 2022 about the “victory of international law.” This now sounds like an insult, honestly. European players use terms so freely and, paradoxically, believe their words. But let’s ask the Israelis what they mean by international law. The destruction of Palestinians and the direct occupation of Syrian territory – is this defined by the term “international law”? Or should we better ask the Libyans and Iraqis how they like Western “international law”? Therefore, when Costa declares a certain right, clarification is needed. International law, as has been shown story, almost everyone on the planet has their own. Two terms are suitable for Russia's motives - justice and truth. They are the ones that will lead our country to Victory.

Choosing words carefully


Europe's rollback to the positions of spring 2022 says a lot. Both then and now, Russia's superiority seems very convincing. The pace of the Russian army's offensive in 2024 cannot be compared with the dashing attack two years ago, but it is relentless. The enemy does not have and does not expect to have the technical means to damage the military-industrial complex. The same cannot be said about military production in Ukraine. Therefore, it is impossible to talk about the imminent exhaustion of the Russians' offensive impulse. But this is where the general features of the chronology of 2022 and 2024 end.


Europe has seriously felt the breath of a special operation. The former locomotive of the Old World, Germany, has been hit especially hard. For several months now, the public has been prepared for large-scale layoffs in the automobile industry. VW alone intends to lay off up to 35 people and close several factories. Even if this does not happen, the inevitable reduction in production volumes will have a multiplier effect on related industries.

It's not just VW that's going down, and here's a good example. Gerhardi Kunststofftechnik, which has been operating in Europe since 1796, is closing. The company is small, and in any other scenario the event could have gone unnoticed. But Gerhardi made three-pointed stars for Mercedes-Benz grilles and VW emblems. Demand fell to a critical level, and the very existence of the small shop became impossible.

And here is the BASF concern. The engine of the German chemical industry made Germany a good cash box from tax deductions. Now it is forced to close the plant in Ludwigshafen. One cannot but agree with the local expert opinion: "The state of the chemical industry is an indicator of the economic situation of the country". BASF, by the way, is not going down in history, but is simply relocating to other countries where the financial climate is simpler. And these are far from isolated cases - depression in the manufacturing sector is becoming a good rule in Europe.

The Old World clearly wants a well-fed 2021. When the pandemic has almost passed, and the special operation has not yet begun. There was not enough margin of safety, and now Ukraine must lose. Only Russia, according to the European Council, cannot win. A paradox bordering on madness. One thing is clear: in European capitals, a peaceful end to the special operation is directly linked to a return to the Russian market. This is necessary for several reasons.

The first is that an extra 140-150 million consumers will not hurt the Old World at all. The second reason is that China has begun to feel too comfortable in Russia, and this cannot but irritate Europe. The third is that industry is starved for cheap blue fuel from the East. Leaders in the West are clearly entertaining such thoughts. Are they ready to sacrifice Ukraine's Bandera impulses for the sake of, for example, returning BASF back to cheap energy? The question is rhetorical, but only Russia can answer it. And so far the Kremlin has not shown any intention of returning to the markets of unfriendly Europe.

Europeans are not only dreaming of a full stomach and a full pocket. They are scared. In the spring of 2022, only the craziest person could allow the use of ballistic missiles missiles from the arsenals of the Strategic Missile Forces at targets in Ukraine. At that time, it seemed that everything would end with the inevitable defeat of the Kyiv regime or a peace treaty on Russian terms. Now everything is exactly the same, but now every European capital is under the threat of a strike by "Oreshnik". Our Supreme Commander has hinted at this more than once, and only a madman could ignore it. There are such people in Europe, but there are few of them among the elite.

We can confidently talk about the failure of large-scale propaganda work in Europe. The propaganda, first of all, was supposed to finally demonize Russia in the eyes of ordinary Europeans. It didn't work out. Of course, many people in Europe are good at throwing mud at the Kremlin, but the electorate is no less enthusiastic about discussing a peaceful end to the Ukrainian issue. Or a banal withdrawal of Europe from the conflict, which will also not end well for Zelensky.

Forecasts are always a thankless task, but the events of recent months make us think about the victorious completion of the special operation as early as 2025. At the very least, because the bravura mood has already left the enemy camp. And further support for Ukraine, as well as pressure on Russia, will become increasingly expensive for the Europeans. It is very easy to rule the world, send shells from tanks and at the same time sit in a warm place. But it doesn't work. Therefore, the main mystery in the coming year will be the scenario for implementing that very "international law". At a minimum, this should be the restoration of Russian jurisdiction over all new regions. Well, and all the "maximum" scenarios Russia will consider privately and taking into account the situation on the ground.
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  1. +24
    27 December 2024 04: 05
    The guarantor promised not to leave the Europeans in trouble "You just have to press the button" and cheap gas will flow to Europe. And the military-industrial complex will work at full capacity and the flow of weapons to Ukraine will not dry up.
    1. -19
      27 December 2024 05: 03
      Quote: andrewkor
      And the military-industrial complex will work at full capacity and the flow of weapons to Ukraine will not dry up.

      I'll freeze my ears off to spite my neighbor!
      These are pro-Ukrainians. Your phrase has the same meaning.
      That gas pipeline cannot solve the problems of Germany, because gas prices have been unaffordable and will remain so. Russia and Belarus will simply earn a little and our military-industrial complex can receive this money.
      1. +5
        27 December 2024 10: 57
        That's right, overwhelm the enemy with resources in order to earn money, which can be invested in exploration and extraction of resources... Brilliant!
        1. -2
          27 December 2024 13: 32
          Quote: Doccor18
          That's right, overwhelm the enemy with resources,

          How can it be blocked if the capacity of the Yamal gas pipeline (the guarantor had it in mind) is 32,9 billion m3, and Europe currently consumes 273 billion cubic meters.
          In addition, the price is now much higher than our cost price.
          Quote: Doccor18
          .. Brilliant!

          Sometimes simplicity is worse than theft.
          1. 0
            31 December 2024 15: 51
            273 - this is for 11 months. In December the estimate is 30, i.e. 303 billion for the year. This is 100 billion less than before the war. Or in other words, 25%... This is Europe!
    2. +13
      27 December 2024 09: 29
      I don't trust the guarantor...

      I don’t trust the Russian so-called elite.

      It's not about Ukraine. It's about the general paradigm of Russia's development. Russia has no ideology, and accordingly, there is no correct goal-setting in geopolitics. And in ordinary politics, too.
  2. +5
    27 December 2024 04: 18
    , this should be the restoration of Russian jurisdiction over all new regions
    What about the other territories?
  3. +11
    27 December 2024 04: 21
    Predictions are always a thankless task, but the events of recent months make us think about the victorious completion of the special operation as early as 2025.

    What... smile Seriously?
    In 2022 they promised to win in six months...in 2023 they promised to win by the end of the year...in 2024 the same...in 2025 we will finally win...I believe... what I readily believe it...we will win just like that.
    Borrell said that everything will be decided on the battlefield...you don't need to go to a fortune teller to find out...that's right.
    Therefore, I wish our army success and good luck in 2025...and then we'll see how it goes...the main thing is to be patient.
    1. +19
      27 December 2024 07: 50
      Everything is great with our goals - we started 2022 with the goals of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, change of power in Kyiv and de facto control of the entire country (the goals were not achieved, but everything is going according to plan, as they assure). 2023 already had smaller goals - to take control of all the "new territories" (the goals were not achieved, but everything is still according to plan), in 2024 they wanted to at least completely control the LPR and DPR (even this was not achieved, but of course there is no failure), and in 2025 they would return the Kursk region entirely... I am already scared with what flowers we will go to 2026...
  4. +24
    27 December 2024 05: 09
    The third year since the beginning of the "SVO" was ending. Articles began to appear on the Military Review about Ukraine not being able to win it......
    I won't be surprised if soon they reveal to us the terrible truth - it was Ukraine that actually started the SVO, and its tanks were near Moscow on the 3rd day. But thanks to the wise policy of V. Putin and R. Kadyrov, their insidious plans were put to an end. Ukraine is not able to gain the upper hand. This is our brilliant victory.
    1. +2
      27 December 2024 17: 47
      So the situation is a stalemate, of course Russia can defeat Ukraine specifically (take control of the entire territory of Ukraine), well, it's a matter of six months to a year, first there will be martial law imposed on the entire territory, mobilization of at least 800 thousand - 1 million, and gradual increase in pressure on the front with attacks on infrastructure. Only the question arises of what to do next, the situation after the war will be worse than before the war, sanctions will not be lifted, new territories will not be recognized, the arms race will intensify, the economy will worsen, social tensions within the country will increase.
      1. +2
        27 December 2024 22: 56
        After the SVO we will restore at least the Kursk and Belgorod regions, and we will restore four more old new regions, but it will be very expensive, and we don't have enough people, there will be migrants from Central Asia, they will populate and rebuild. Hitler had a plan OST: - in the occupied territories the population should not mix and all groups of the population should speak only their own language, this is so that there is no organized resistance. We don't have much time, either we win, or we blab about greatness and fall apart further, Gorbachev's example has taught us nothing.
  5. +15
    27 December 2024 05: 10
    Brilliant, just because the phrase "Russia must not win" was changed to "Russia will not prevail" all this bravura bravado? Don't you think that an equal sign can be put between these phrases? In fact, everything continues to go according to their plans, 5 years ago our politicians did not even consider the armies of Europe as opponents at all, we will scatter everyone in three days, and we will dry our boots in Portugal, and in the meantime we will dry our oars. Fulfilling all the intended goals of the SVO, and if receiving four regions of Ukraine half destroyed into dust is a victory, then I hasten to disappoint. This is not the Middle Ages, when everything was measured in the number of peasants and the size of the fief, now everything is somewhat more complicated. We are losing people, we are losing money, and we will spend a decent amount of time restoring the regions, and our potential opponents are and will use all this. I am not sure about the disruption of enemy propaganda here either, take Finland, for example, where Russophobic sentiments are only growing, Ukrainians still believe in victory, and Europe believes that they will drive us into a den with minimal means. It is too early to talk about any victory, I would believe in it if we had a 4 million strong army in reserve, equipped with everything and anything, ready to join our fighting forces in an instant, which are slowly, with heavy fighting, approaching Sudzha in the Kursk region...
    1. 0
      28 December 2024 01: 13
      Judging by many comments here on VO, we have such forces at our disposal and our military-industrial complex covers all of Europe in all respects. It's time for the "marshals of victory" to start sewing parades.
  6. +6
    27 December 2024 05: 38
    in European capitals, the peaceful end of the special operation is directly linked to the return to the Russian market

    First of all, let them return the money stolen from Russia.
    1. +1
      27 December 2024 17: 23
      I have vague doubts... Do the 300 billion really belong to our state?.. Maybe they belong to "some citizens" of our state?.. Somehow I don't really hear that the government is worried and it's not particularly indignant...
  7. +1
    27 December 2024 05: 44
    Quote: Comrade
    First of all, let them return the money stolen from Russia.

    Ha...Zelensky has already been given a billion in frozen Russian assets.
    This fruit that stole never returned what was stolen.
    Europe will wash its hands and say it wasn't us, it was Zelensky's fault...it was all the damned thing that stole 300 billion dollars from Russia. smile
    1. -2
      27 December 2024 12: 15
      don't lie, not frozen but from the profit from frozen
      1. 0
        27 December 2024 15: 39
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        don't lie, not frozen but from the profit from frozen

        No, it doesn't change the essence of the issue. Everyone already understood that the money was spent on crime.
    2. -1
      28 December 2024 11: 03
      YOU forgot about those three billion that were lent to Yanukovych and Ukraine did not return
  8. +10
    27 December 2024 05: 52
    Third, industry is hungry for cheap blue fuel from the East.

    According to Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Alexander Novak, total gas supplies from Russia to Europe via pipeline and liquefied natural gas (LNG) have increased by 18-20% this year compared to 2023. Somehow they are not starving. Interestingly, Novak does not say that to NATO countries with which we are at war, but to European countries. Has Russia been supplying gas and other goods to Ukraine for the last three years? What is being exported through Odessa? If there is trade, against whom is the SVO being carried out? Against the country or some armed formations that are wandering around Ukraine, which are being helped by NATO countries?
  9. +4
    27 December 2024 06: 54
    I'm more concerned about whether we are capable of winning?
    1. BAI
      +4
      27 December 2024 09: 38
      We can do Ukraine. The West - no.
      And in general, the war with the West is bees against honey
    2. +4
      27 December 2024 10: 02
      If the front collapses... Shchors with one division, in February 1919 took Kyiv, and then within six months liberated almost all of Ukraine from Petliurites, and eventually took Zhitomir...
      1. 0
        27 December 2024 19: 48
        That's right, Shchors! We had four brigades near Kharkov, where there was really no one except for a hundred or two Nazis with RPGs, at the end of February 2022. They just didn't go anywhere. They say General Kisel was in command, who was then sent to Syria to establish similar order.
      2. 0
        27 December 2024 20: 55
        Quote: parusnik
        Shchors with one division took Kyiv in February 1919

        Well, today even Shors isn’t here.
      3. -1
        29 December 2024 05: 15
        Quote: parusnik
        If the front collapses... Shchors with one division, in February 1919 took Kyiv, and then within six months liberated almost all of Ukraine from Petliurites, and eventually took Zhitomir...

        Have you even looked at the map? If you have "almost all of Ukraine" and Zhitomir took the same thing, then your Ukraine is limited to the Kyiv region! Actually, I am not against it.
  10. +6
    27 December 2024 07: 20
    ... industry is hungry for cheap blue fuel from the East. ...


    A strange military operation.
    One part of the Russian population is directly at war with Ukraine.
    Another, small, part of the Russian population supports the sponsors of Ukrainian terrorists with their supplies of cheap gas.

    If Russia stops supplying cheap gas directly, it will create problems for European countries. Europe will buy expensive gas. The standard of living of European citizens will worsen. This will cause their discontent.
    Because it's obvious.
    But... for some reason...
    "..No, guys, it's not like that,
    Everything is wrong, guys!..." (c)
    1. +6
      27 December 2024 10: 05
      This is not our method, to cause discontent, against our bourgeois, or what? Better with a nuclear bomb, or Oreshnik. Yes
    2. -1
      28 December 2024 11: 10
      A little about expensive gas for Germany and the deterioration of the well-being of Germans, it seems to me disingenuous, and supposedly they want to get cheap gas? So here are my skeptics. One thread of the Nord Stream is operational, but the Germans do not open the valve for political issues, then there is a gas pipeline through Poland and there they do not open the valve, which means they do not need cheap gas, so the article is so-so, and the journalist who wrote this article was deliberately disingenuous.
  11. BAI
    +5
    27 December 2024 09: 33
    but now every European capital is under threat of being hit by the "Nut". Our Supreme Commander has hinted at this more than once, and only a madman could ignore it. There are such people in Europe, but there are few of them among the elite.

    For a long time now, no one in the West has believed either hints or direct threats from Russia.
    Everyone realized it was a bluff.
    Moreover, with evidence: before striking, you need to remove your diplomats and citizens and take the necessary measures to minimize the consequences of a retaliatory strike. None of this has been done.
    That is why the West is convinced that there will be no attack on them.
  12. +5
    27 December 2024 11: 04
    For half a year now I've been trying not to watch channels where there is news, only movies, I try not to read news phrases on websites, I'm already trying to stupidly distance myself from all this hateful stuff! I only come here to read about technology, but here too there is politics, war, propaganda..... I'm already so disgusted by everything that is imposed and poured out on us. I think I'm not the only one like this
    1. -1
      27 December 2024 22: 08
      Until we have ensured a safe life for ourselves, there will always be someone who will ensure death for us and our children. Of course, you can be uninterested in politics, but it is interested in us and flies into our windows, through the roofs and ceilings of the buildings in which we currently live.
    2. 0
      28 December 2024 11: 17
      Vydim S, news for you, the GRU of Ukraine contacted an unemployed man from Kamchatka Krai and offered him to blow up a police station, he, not being a fool, asked them for money to buy consumables, they sent him a certain amount, of course he ran and bought some at the "Beloe Krasnoe" store, the money ran out, they called him, and he asked for money again, they sent it to him, he went back to "Beloe Krasnoe", what can I say, WELL DONE
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    1. -1
      28 December 2024 01: 29
      If only it were that simple. Turn off the idiot box and the reality becomes clear. A huge mass of people do not watch TV at all. They simply have no time to do so, they participate in the race for money and consumer goods and the system encourages them in this. They don't care about politics and, for example, the suffering of the Kursk people. It simply does not concern them directly. The war is somewhere far away. They do not need brainwashing, the influence comes "through the stomach".
      1. -1
        28 December 2024 07: 50
        They watch it occasionally. They don't have time to gather information from other channels, especially. Television is the most accessible channel for everyone.
      2. -1
        28 December 2024 08: 04
        Unlike other channels, television has an active influence.
        This is not an illusion, but hypnosis. Broadcasting is arranged in such a way that even a fragment of a news or entertainment program has its effect. Moreover, it "falls into place" in a mosaic of other similar fragments. This is high technology, which has been developed in the West for decades to shape public opinion and advertising. Entire institutes work "there" for our television and the stakes for them are extremely high.
        1. -1
          28 December 2024 09: 28
          I don't argue with that, that's just the way it is.hi
  14. +1
    27 December 2024 12: 13
    Showdowns and problems in the enemy camp are interesting, but internal affairs are more important for victory.
    After the failure of hopes for support for the SVO by the population of Ukraine, which hates the existing regime, as was the case in the Crimean Republic, the Russian Federation immediately tried to negotiate peace in Minsk and Constantinople.
    The world's second largest army, equipped with the most advanced weapons, has been unable to liberate its territory and reach the state border for three years.
    Naturally, the enemy regards this as evidence of weakness, and NATO demonstratively moved to the east and ignored all red lines, nationalizing foreign property and the gold and foreign currency reserves of the Russian Federation.
    At a press conference on 26.12.24, Putin once again said that the Russian Federation does not refuse to supply NATO with its natural resources during the war - oil and gas, ferrous and non-ferrous metals, agricultural products and fertilizers, timber and other goods that NATO needs and is ready to pay for.
    As V.V. Putin said, the Germans only need to open the valve on the surviving pipe of the Northern Stream and gas from the Russian Federation will flow here in an endless stream, as it does through the Southern Stream.
    War is war, but during the war, the Russian Federation pays Ukraine 700-800 million dollars monthly until the end of 24 years, until the transit agreement expires.
    1. 0
      27 December 2024 12: 29
      700-800 not millions, but thousands, which is also not a small amount
  15. BAI
    +1
    27 December 2024 12: 53
    In addition to the article's title photo. I didn't shoot it. I just took the picture. From the 14th OTBR. Lisichansk
    1. -1
      28 December 2024 01: 34
      Where is Contact? It couldn't have been all torn down. They stripped it on Abrashi and Leo?
  16. 0
    27 December 2024 15: 56
    The prospects are actually interesting - it was obvious that we were gradually making the suitcase without a handle heavier without forcing the pace of the SVO. But now comes that awkward moment when one of the two carriers suddenly has very important things to do elsewhere, and this is despite the fact that it is already unbearable to carry it together.
    It will be very interesting to see the author's stated desire for cheap gas, how strong it is - because if it is strong enough, in combination with the argument above, it can provide quite interesting negotiating positions in the style of "we are ready to complete the SVO and ensure uninterrupted gas transit, but you understand that for this the pipeline and the adjacent territory must be under our control"
    If only we don’t fall for the n-th Ankara Minsk again, but at least show firmness somewhere and push through to the end the real goals of the SVO.
  17. 0
    27 December 2024 16: 40
    There are no prerequisites for victory, our victory, as they fashionably sum it up now - not at all.
    There is some success, but in the overall picture it is still local and will it develop into a global one is a question. The country has not become a united front, there are those who are aiming to win and are doing everything for this, both in the military and in the civil sphere, there are observers or even distant ones and there are outright enemies. It would seem that the government should have become the force that should have united the people for victory, but it happened exactly the opposite. All this constant bleating of some previously reached agreements, gestures of someone's will, drawing red or brown lines.
    The government has shown itself to be a senseless cart, which is trying to go somewhere by inertia, and this is in the best case, and before that it thinks for a long time where to go.
    In short:
    Political field - yap, yap...hazelnut... yap, yap
    Military - the enemy's logistics are working, they are receiving weapons and are ready for even more, as long as there are enough people, there are no problems with fuel and lubricants, electricity, although intermittent, is there, the railways are working, the bridges are intact, they are retreating, but there are no critical boilers.
    Economic - we supply Europe with gas and oil (they are trying to force it now, just to buy it), which it uses to make weapons and fuel for the enemy. From the proceeds from gas and oil, we pay this money to contract soldiers who die from these same weapons, including the lives of civilians. This is about what is more valuable to our government, money or people's lives. They squeezed out our so-called stabilization fund (collateral, tribute), and with this money they will make weapons for the enemy.
  18. 0
    27 December 2024 20: 35
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    I don't trust the guarantor...

    I don’t trust the Russian so-called elite.

    It's not about Ukraine. It's about the general paradigm of Russia's development. Russia has no ideology, and accordingly, there is no correct goal-setting in geopolitics. And in ordinary politics, too.

    Ideology is a double-edged thing and always is. Even if you deny it. Previously, they called for the rejection of religion. But if you read Berdyaev. The ideology of the Bolsheviks was in many ways similar to religion. There, too, you had to believe.
    1. -1
      28 December 2024 01: 41
      And what's wrong with such a faith? Faith in man and his capabilities, as opposed to faith in the afterlife liberation from the suffering of slave existence, definitely wins. It is no secret that religion was invented as one of the tools for preserving the power of a parasite. In any historical social formation preceding the socialist one.
  19. 0
    27 December 2024 20: 39
    Quote: canurodes
    There are no prerequisites for victory, our victory, as they fashionably sum it up now - not at all.
    There is some success, but in the overall picture it is still local and will it develop into a global one is a question. The country has not become a united front, there are those who are aiming to win and are doing everything for this, both in the military and in the civil sphere, there are observers or even distant ones and there are outright enemies. It would seem that the government should have become the force that should have united the people for victory, but it happened exactly the opposite. All this constant bleating of some previously reached agreements, gestures of someone's will, drawing red or brown lines.
    The government has shown itself to be a senseless cart, which is trying to go somewhere by inertia, and this is in the best case, and before that it thinks for a long time where to go.
    In short:
    Political field - yap, yap...hazelnut... yap, yap
    Military - the enemy's logistics are working, they are receiving weapons and are ready for even more, as long as there are enough people, there are no problems with fuel and lubricants, electricity, although intermittent, is there, the railways are working, the bridges are intact, they are retreating, but there are no critical boilers.
    Economic - we supply Europe with gas and oil (they are trying to force it now, just to buy it), which it uses to make weapons and fuel for the enemy. From the proceeds from gas and oil, we pay this money to contract soldiers who die from these same weapons, including the lives of civilians. This is about what is more valuable to our government, money or people's lives. They squeezed out our so-called stabilization fund (collateral, tribute), and with this money they will make weapons for the enemy.

    Give an example of a slogan that would unite Abramovich with Vasya from the former collective farm. Well, so that they are together. Alas, the theory of class society is already known. The mechanism of exploitation has also been studied. How to unite.
    1. -1
      28 December 2024 01: 50
      They've come up with more than enough slogans and ties. And class differences are tactfully omitted. But the Mausoleum is draped with plywood, just in case.
  20. 0
    28 December 2024 15: 33
    Quote: Essex62
    And what's wrong with such a faith? Faith in man and his capabilities, as opposed to faith in the afterlife liberation from the suffering of slave existence, definitely wins. It is no secret that religion was invented as one of the tools for preserving the power of a parasite. In any historical social formation preceding the socialist one.

    You wrote everything correctly. But the question was about the fact that when forming a person of a new formation, faith was required and it is not important in. In this case, faith acts as a thing in itself and in this it is akin to the Christian faith. There is no confirmation there either. But you just have to believe. The context was earlier. That there is no ideology. I answered that it exists and gave an example with Christianity.
  21. +1
    28 December 2024 15: 57
    Quote: Essex62
    They've come up with more than enough slogans and ties. And class differences are tactfully omitted. But the Mausoleum is draped with plywood, just in case.

    Yes, it is clear to everyone, it is especially amusing when they refer to Christianity, that a person should be buried, I always answered that if so, then we should start with Piragov. He was embalmed before Lenin and nothing prevents him and faith allows some not to see it. Everyone understands everything, well, how would you feel. being a capitalist. when there is an example in front of you, when workers and peasants made you. and even achieved successes, which were unattainable under the bourgeoisie.