Storming of the residence of the head of Afghanistan Amin – the Taj Bek Palace

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Storming of the residence of the head of Afghanistan Amin – the Taj Bek Palace


So, cuckoo, wait a minute,
I'm giving away someone else's share.
A soldier has eternity ahead of him,
Don't confuse it with old age.
...
Lyrics from the song "Cuckoo"



“The very first minutes of the assault ruined our entire carefully prepared plan.”
Commander of the assault group "Zenit" Ya.F. Semenov

Operation Storm 333


Dozens of articles and essays, as well as separate chapters in thick books, have been devoted to the description of this special operation, carried out on December 27, 1979. But, unfortunately, none of the sources can boast of sufficient clarity in the presentation of the events that took place. Moreover, if you carefully analyze the information published over the years, you will notice a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions. As they say in such cases: there are as many versions as there are storytellers.

The scope of this article does not allow me to outline the details of the entire operation “Storm 333”, which is one of the components of the “Baikal 79” SVO (this should be written about separately), but I consider it necessary to try to reconstruct at least in general terms historical the course of the main event - the actions of the assault groups solving the problem of capturing the residence.

According to one of the widespread versions (belonging to V.V. Kolesnik and repeated in his books by A.A. Lyakhovsky [5], [8]), in the first phase of the battle for the capture of the Taj-Bek residence, the Grom and Zenit groups were delivered to the palace walls along an asphalt serpentine road in ten infantry fighting vehicles of the first company of the 154th separate special forces regiment (under the command of V.S. Sharipov). During the breakthrough, the lead vehicle was hit, caught fire, the landing party abandoned it and began to climb the hill using assault ladders. The vehicle behind pushed the hit vehicle aside, and the remaining 9 infantry fighting vehicles moving behind it found themselves on the platform in front of the palace 20 minutes after the start of the assault [5].

The same version about the movement of ten infantry fighting vehicles (one of which was destroyed) is also given in the book by Yu. I. Drozdov [3].

It should be noted that these two legendary officers did not directly participate in the storming of the palace (they were at the command post), and they wrote their memoirs many years after the events described, so they could have gotten it wrong due to the time it took.

If we carefully read the memoirs recorded from the words of direct participants in the events, officers of the 154th detachment Vladimir Salimovich Sharipov and Rustamkhodzha Turdikhudzhaevich Tursunkulov [2], [6], as well as the memoirs of the commander of the Zenit group Yakov Fedorovich Semenov [9], then we can form the following version of the development of events.

(I do not set the task of describing in detail the course of the entire operation, and even more so to assess the reliability of the information presented in the sources, separating truth from fiction, therefore I will describe the events briefly and fragmentarily.).


Approximate diagram of the location and actions of the opposing sides (based on the diagram from the source [5], which was subsequently revised by the author).

The beginning of the special operation


The capture group was the first to act. tanks under the leadership of the deputy commander of the detachment, Captain Murad Taimasovich Sakhatov - 14 people from the 154th detachment (2 officers and 12 soldiers), 2 snipers from the Grom group and 2 from the Zenit group. It was tasked with capturing three tanks dug in near the palace and then blocking the tank battalion of the Afghan army.

At 19:15, Sakhatov's group (according to the plan) moved out to their objective in a GAZ-66 fifteen minutes before the assault began. When the car passed through the location of the third infantry battalion, Sakhatov discovered that an alarm had been declared there. The battalion commander and his deputies stood in the center of the parade ground. The personnel received weapon and ammunition. Having immediately assessed the situation, Sakhatov decided to capture the battalion command. The car with our scouts suddenly drove onto the parade ground, stopped abruptly near the Afghan officers, and in a matter of seconds they were already lying in the back of the GAZ-66, which immediately rushed forward, leaving a trail of dust behind it. In the first minutes, the battalion soldiers did not even understand what had happened, but then they opened fire after the retreating car. However, it was too late. Due to the dust that had risen, hiding the car, it was ineffective. Two hundred meters later, Sakhatov stopped the car and the personnel hurried, who immediately lay down and opened fire on the security soldiers who had jumped out of the barracks [5].

A battle ensued, and immediately the first irreparable loss occurred: a sniper, KGB captain Dmitry Vasilyevich Volkov, was killed.
V. V. Kolesnik, having heard the shooting, without delay gave the signal to all other groups involved to begin the operation (the signal was given by radio with three green lights rockets) [2][5]. The operation began in complete darkness, which was generally an additional positive factor for the attackers.

After the signal, two Shilka ZSUs of Senior Lieutenant Vasily Maksimovich Prauta’s platoon opened fire on the palace (two other ZSUs were operating at the location of the tank battalion) [5].


Participants in the assault on the ZSU 23-4 "Shilka" (V.M. Prauta, 5th from the left, sits on the turret)

Their tasks were to prepare fire and support attacks by assault groups. But the firing positions of the ZSU were poorly chosen, the installations were located slightly below the palace and too close to it. In addition, the installation crews worked without aiming and adjusting fire, so, according to some estimates [2], in the first phase of the battle, some of their shells fell on the path of the detachment's APC and BMP columns.

At the same time, the AGS-17 "Flame" began to operate - two grenade launchers fired at the positions of the 1st security battalion and the tank battalion, the other two - at the positions of the anti-aircraft regiment (see diagram).

The armored personnel carriers are on their way


The first to move to Taj-Bek (in violation of the plan, as ordered by Drozdov) was the assault group under the command of Lieutenant of the 154th detachment R.Kh. Tursunkulov [5][9]. The GRU special forces were given the following tasks: to deliver 28 people from the group “Zenit» to the pedestrian staircase located at the foot of the slope on the western side of the hill and leading to the main entrance to the building; take control of the exit and windows of the building, preventing attempts by the Afghans to get out of it, and protect the perimeter from enemy attacks from the outside [2] [6]. The only means of communication for the Zenit was a compact shortwave walkie-talkie radio belonging to Ya. F. Semenov. But it could only be used to contact the main leader of the entire operation, B. S. Ivanov; there was no direct connection with the immediate leader of the KGB groups, Drozdov (although it would have been more logical to give the radio to him).

The group moved on BTR-60PB - four vehicles raced straight to the palace across the off-road, which is why one of them (number 013) accidentally fell into a ditch and was immobilized. No one was hurt in the car, the driver-mechanic remained in the armored personnel carrier, the rest quickly dismounted and began to move towards the palace in rapid dashes [2][3].

The three remaining armored vehicles, in the open, continued moving toward the designated landing site under a barrage of fire. The second (along the way) armored personnel carrier was hit and caught fire. Senior Lieutenant of the KGB Boris Aleksandrovich Suvorov was killed, the others were wounded to varying degrees of severity [9]. The survivors (who could walk) made a rapid dash toward the stairs.

The lead APC with punctured wheels (where Ya. Semenov was located) managed to slip through to the lower tier of the palace, almost to the beginning of the stairs, and enter the dead zone.


The approach to the palace where Semenov's group broke through, a staircase is visible on the right side of the photo

The officers and soldiers got out of the vehicle and lay down near a stone wall, taking cover from the fire of Afghan machine guns [9]. The troops from the APC that followed also dismounted and lay down - the high density of fire did not allow them to take any other action (presumably, they were mistakenly fired at by their own "Shilkas" and the palace security units, and already on the close approaches to the building they were additionally covered by "friendly" fire from the detachment's AGS-17, which was firing at areas without correction [2]).
To reach the building, the group had to overcome three steep staircases, each at least five meters high, and two flat platforms of two meters each, under enemy fire [9].


When the intensity of the fire abated a little, the GRU and KGB special forces rose from the ground and, firing back, began to make their way toward the building, moving up the stairs. Then the officers of the Zenit group burst into the palace and joined the officers of the Grom group who were already fighting there [2].

According to Tursunkulov's recollections, he and his fighters initially guarded the approaches to the building, but then, in violation of the original plan, they were all drawn into a firefight by the "committee members" that was taking place inside the palace. And after the assault, they remained inside to guard it from possible enemy attacks [2][6].

BMPs are on their way


V.S. Sharipov's group (25 a man from the 154th Special Forces Regiment and 22 from the Grom group) moved out on an infantry fighting vehicle a little later than Tursunkulov's group. But not on 10 (as Kolesnik recalled), but on 5 cars. Sharipov was given the immediate task of delivering officers of the group to the entrance to the building.Thunder", which included E. Kozlov (in BMP #30, led personally by Sharipov) and G.I. Boyarinov (in BMP #37). After the landing of the KGB special forces, the soldiers and officers of the detachment were to take control of the exit and windows of the building, preventing the Afghans from trying to get out (so as not to give Amin the opportunity to escape), and also to protect the perimeter from enemy attacks from the outside. It was planned that both KGB groups would be delivered by the detachment's vehicles to the assembly point at the same time and would enter the building together[2].

The vehicles moved up the serpentine road at high speed, but 200 m before the landing site, the lead BMP #035 was hit (presumably by a "friendly" Shilka shell [2]), stopped, but did not catch fire. Everyone inside was wounded (the senior vehicle officer, Lieutenant Abdullaev, had his heel broken), but they managed to get out, lay down, and opened fire on the windows of the palace [2].

The remaining vehicles, without stopping, drove around the disabled BMP and rushed towards the palace building. But on the last turn of the serpentine road just before the exit to the palace site, the driver of the lead armored vehicle lost control - the BMP ran into the edge of the wall and stalled, apparently completely blocking the road. Because of this, the other vehicles stopped, and the KGB officers in them quickly dismounted, dispersed and lay down, covering themselves from the shelling with armor.

The situation became alarming: the stationary BMPs turned into tempting targets for enemy grenade launchers. Meanwhile, the intensity of small arms fire from the palace began to increase. But the riflemen of the 154th detachment in the vehicles quickly destroyed the searchlights shining from the building, and the armored vehicles were enveloped in saving darkness.

But now another danger arose: the BMPs, which had become "invisible", could accidentally cover their "Shilkas" operating just below the palace with fire. Sharipov immediately realized this and gave the drivers the order to turn on the headlights and all the side lights so that the fire support platoon could see the BMPs standing motionless. And, apparently, the platoon commander, Senior Lieutenant Prauta, noticed them and realized that the detachment's armored vehicles were stuck on the serpentine, so he transferred the fire of the "Shilkas" to the upper floors of the building [2].

The danger of being caught in "friendly fire" had passed, and in the meantime the mechanic had managed to start the engine, reverse and put the car into motion. The soldiers and officers of the two special forces instantly jumped into the cars, the column again rushed forward, quickly approached the central entrance, the officers of the "Thunder" group dismounted, lay down, then, under cover of fire from the dispersed BMPs, began to break through into the palace, where they entered into battle with Amin's guards [2][6].

By that time, the Grom group had already suffered its first irreparable losses: Captain Gennady Yegorovich Zudin and Senior Lieutenant Andrei Aleksandrovich Yakushev were killed. Apparently, by that time, the squad commander of the 3rd company of the 154th detachment, Junior Sergeant Mirkasym Shcherbekov, had also been killed.

Many machine gunners of the 154th detachment (about 10 people), having forgotten the order, rushed inside in the heat of battle together with the KGB officers and took direct part in clearing the palace [2]. And the BMPs dispersed along the wall of the building opened return fire on the soldiers of the outer ring guard located just below.

Sharipov, as the person responsible for communications with headquarters (by that time he had already received a through-and-through wound to his thigh), remained outside, repeatedly tried to contact headquarters, but never heard an answer - the radio station was silent. Soon, the detachment's radio operator, Private Shokirzhon Sulaimanov, who was next to him, was killed [6].

When the battle inside the palace had already moved to the second floor, reinforcements arrived on the platform of the building - consisting of personnel from the 154th detachment, the 3rd group in two infantry fighting vehicles (No. 041 and No. 042), senior vehicle commanders: Senior Lieutenant Egamberdiev Bakhadyr Abdumanapovich (Sharipov's deputy for technical matters) and Senior Lieutenant Abdullaev Rashid Igamberdievich (company political officer), whose driver-mechanic was Sergeant Shavkat Azamatov.

Sharipov sent them inside the building to provide assistance to the attackers, while he himself remained outside, trying to establish radio contact with the command post, which stubbornly refused to be established [2][6].

The connection suddenly appeared at the moment when Amin was no longer alive, and the last flashes of the battle were gradually dying out in certain places on the third floor [6].

What is most surprising is that no one from the 154th Special Forces or KGB special groups died in the battle inside the residence; all the irreparable losses occurred on the march and on the platform near the entrance to the building (according to some sources, G.I. Boyarinov died outside, according to others, inside).

Summing-up


Thus, two KGB assault groups took part in the direct capture of the premises of the facility: Grom (members of Group A of the 7th Directorate) and Zenit (officers of the KUOS), and GRU special forces. The KGB groups were delivered to the landing site by armored vehicles of the 154th Special Forces Regiment (on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles), which followed in two separate columns and broke through to the palace along different routes. Each column lost one vehicle along the way: the armored personnel carrier burned down, and the infantry fighting vehicle was badly damaged. There were also casualties.

When the battle inside the building was in full swing, reinforcements from the 154th detachment were brought in, arriving in two infantry fighting vehicles.

An analysis of the sources allows us to conclude that the battle inside the building was fought by 47 people from the KGB special forces and about 40 people from the 154th Special Forces.

If we take as a basis the data on the number of defenders of the palace 200 people [9], then in the battle inside the building the numerical ratio between the attackers and defenders was 1:2,3. The overall ratio of forces during the operation was 1:6 [9].

The attackers had better protection (the KGB officers wore heavy bulletproof vests), while the defenders had a thorough knowledge of the palace’s layout and a tactical advantage in defending the second floor and attic spaces (the attackers had to move up the stairs).

The presence of the ZSU should probably be taken into account as a factor that both helps and hinders both (the "Shilkas" several times transferred fire to the area in front of the palace, therefore, they could hit their own [3]). But, of course, to a greater extent, the fire from the installations hindered the defenders.

The fighting inside the residence did not develop exactly as the capture plan had determined. As Ya. Semenov aptly put it: “The very first minutes of the assault ruined our entire carefully prepared plan.».

They had to act according to the situation, and one of the results of such a development of events was the involvement of servicemen of the 154th detachment in the inner-palace battle, who had neither bulletproof vests, nor helmets, nor predetermined places and tasks in the battle. And they did not even have any clearly distinguishable signs that distinguished them from the defending Afghans (at least their Slavic appearance). To the credit of the GRU special forces, it is worth noting that not one of them left the battle, even after being wounded, all fought courageously and to the very end.

This version does not claim to be the ultimate truth, but at least it reconciles almost all the contradictions and fills in the omissions found in the memoirs of the leaders and direct participants of Operation Storm 333.

Assessing the above events, one can only be surprised once again that in this very difficult battle, where everything went wrong from the very beginning, the assault groups suffered such small losses. Apparently, the highest combat and moral training of the assault participants played a role here - the USSR knew how to prepare special units. Well, and not without a certain influence of luck.

Despite the fact that for many of the participants in the assault this was their first firefight in their lives, no one was afraid or faint-hearted, everyone acted in a coordinated, skillful, selfless manner, so the assigned combat mission was accomplished more than successfully. The soldiers, sergeants and officers proved themselves to be worthy successors of the military glory won by their grandfathers and fathers, who had defeated the most powerful army in the world in a difficult war. And once again they clearly demonstrated that there were no army units in the world that, even with multiple superiority in forces, means and tactical position, could withstand the friendly onslaught of Soviet special forces.

This battle subsequently entered many special forces textbooks as an example of one of the most successful and effectively conducted special operations.

About how heroes did not become Heroes


The topic of rewarding the participants of this assault is usually presented extremely sparingly.

Four people received the title Hero of the Soviet Union: three from the KGB - G. I. Boyarinov (posthumously), E. G. Kozlov and V. F. Karpushin, and one from the GRU - V. V. Kolesnik.

But no one from the 154th Special Forces Brigade became a Hero of the USSR. Not R.Kh. Tursunkulov, who delivered the officers of the Zenit group to the landing site under a barrage of fire and then personally took part in clearing the palace premises. Not V.S. Sharipov, who led a column of infantry fighting vehicles and, in the most difficult conditions, having lost one vehicle along the way, nevertheless delivered the personnel of the Grom group to the entrance to the palace.

And Sakhatov and his fighters, although they did not directly participate in the storming of the palace itself, also solved a very important task - they captured tanks located near the residence. It is not difficult to imagine what would have happened to the BMP of Sharipov's group if these tanks had opened fire on them.

Well, and many of the detachment’s fighters, during the operation, more than once, risking their lives (and being wounded), performed brave and, most importantly, very necessary actions for the success of the common cause, which in books about the war are called by the loud word “feat”.

Why didn't any of them receive an award?

According to the recollections of some participants in the events, after the battle, in accordance with an old military tradition, the KGB officers, as winners, took some objects from the palace rooms as commemorative trophies. After all, the interior of the residence was actually a battlefield for them.

Some of the Musbatovites did not remain on the sidelines either - many filled their pockets with local money, "Afghanis", lying around everywhere [2][6], hoping to buy something for themselves in the "dukhans" later. But nothing came of this venture.

The secretary of the party organization of the detachment, Senior Lieutenant A. G. Rashidov, did not participate directly in the combat operations on 27.12, but was counting on receiving an order. But he was only nominated for a medal, so he took offense at everyone and wrote a report to his superiors outlining the facts of the alleged looting that was unworthy of a valiant Soviet soldier [2], [6].

The question of whether a soldier who, following orders from his command, risked his life to carry out a coup d'etat in a foreign country, and after the battle put a pack of "unattended" Afghans or foreign watches lying on the floor of the residence in his pocket, can be called a looter remains debatable. However, the "dirty wave" raised by the party organizer reached the high generals of the Ministry of Defense and even (according to rumors) the Central Committee. As a result, all nominations for the title of Hero of the USSR were rejected, and the candidates for Hero received awards of a lower rank - the Order of Lenin.

They didn’t bother to sort out the personalities; the performance was even turned down for Sharipov, who didn’t take part in the “trophy collection” and who didn’t make it into the palace after the battle – he was immediately taken to the hospital.

As a result, for the heroism displayed in Operation Storm 333 during the storming of Amin's Taj Bek palace, the title Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded to three KGB officers and only one serviceman from the GRU General Staff.

Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Ulyanovich Shvets was awarded the Order of the Red Banner.

It can be assumed that the scandal with the trophies also ricocheted on the KGB officers: for unknown reasons, the title of Hero was not received by the commanders of the Grom and Zenit groups, and the head of the operation along the KGB line, Yu. I. Drozdov, was also “bypassed”.

There is information that as a result of Operation Storm 333, 400 state security officers were awarded[3], although only about 50 participated directly in the storming of the palace.

They also rewarded the chief military adviser Magometov, who did not sign the operation plan, and presented him with the highest award of the Motherland - the Order of Lenin.

Awards of the 154th separate special forces unit: 283 people received the medals “For Military Merit” and “For Courage”, 7 received the Order of Lenin, 30 received the Order of the Red Banner, 43 received the Order of the Red Star (a total of 363 people).

The Order of Lenin was awarded to: Major Kholbaev Khabibjan Tadjibaevich, Captain Sakhatov Murad Taimasovich, Captain Djamolov Ashur, Senior Lieutenant Baikhambaev Makhamodzhon Karimovich, Senior Lieutenant Prauta Vasily Maksimovich, Senior Lieutenant Sharipov Vladimir Salimovich, Lieutenant Tursunkulov Rustamkhodzha Turdikhudzhaevich.

And not a single Gold Star [2].

There are also other reports. For example, V.V. Kolesnik later recalled:

"...Seven people were awarded the Order of Lenin, including Khalbaev and Sakhatov, although I nominated him for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Twenty people were awarded the Order of the Red Banner, among them was O. U. Shvets. About sixty people were awarded the Order of the Red Star and almost three hundred people were awarded the medals For Courage and For Military Merit. In total, three hundred and seventy people were awarded"[5].

However, none of the participants in this legendary battle from the 154th Special Forces even thought about awards. The country called people into the army, the country highly appreciated them and showed trust by sending them to serve in the special forces, the country sent them to Afghanistan and set a difficult combat mission. And once the mission is set, it must be solved, and if necessary - not sparing their blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over the enemies.

It may seem strange now, but at that time many young men and women serving in the army thought exactly like that. People were not like they are now, and for many servicemen the phrase "to fulfill one's military duty with honor" did not seem false or pompous at all. And the soldiers and commanders of the unit fulfilled this duty with honor and to the end. Therefore, the best reward for them was that in the most difficult battle they won, remained alive and covered themselves with military glory...

And this battle laid the foundation for an extensive, but never fully completed chronicle, telling of the heroic actions of the GRU special forces units in the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan...


Bibliography

[1] Andogsky A.I., Drozdov Yu.I., Kurilov V.N., Bakhturin S.G. Afghan, Afghan again...
[2] Belyaev E.V. Muslim Battalion. Eksmo Publishing House, 2012.
[3] Drozdov Yu.I. Fiction excluded.
[4] Kikeshev N.I. Get up and go. Moscow: Onyx Publishing House, 2010.
[5] Kozlov S. Spetsnaz GRU. Fifty years of history, twenty years of war. 3rd ed. - "Russian panorama" 2002, pp. 100-115.
[6] Kozlov S. Spetsnaz GRU-2. The war is not over, history continues. "Russian Panorama" 2002, pp. 107-131.
[7] Lyakhovsky A.A. Secrets of the Afghan War.
[8] Lyakhovsky A.A. Tragedy and valor of Afghanistan.
[9] Semenov Ya.F. Life without a draft. Memories of a KGB colonel of the USSR. Moscow, 1995.
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  1. 0
    31 December 2024 05: 35
    All irreparable losses occurred on the march and on the site near the entrance to the building (according to some sources, G.I. Boyarinov died outside, according to others - inside).

    The attackers were lucky that the approaches to Amin's palace were not equipped with minefields.
    In this assault, luck was on the side of our soldiers.
    Surprise, onslaught, determination of competent commanders...these Suvorov principles played their role...the victory was inevitable.
  2. +4
    31 December 2024 06: 33
    A warning hung over Afghanistan
    ↯ DON'T GET IN - IT WILL KILL YOU ↯


    - a fantastically inconvenient terrain for the regular army, as if specially created for guerrilla warfare. Impassable mountains, deep gorges, secret paths

    There are few places in the world where partisans feel so at ease.

    - a beaten population living in the dark Middle Ages, with a hyper-high birth rate

    The death of a soldier in war is a tragedy for us. For Afghan family - a belated method of contraception

    - and all this was heavily mixed with religious fanaticism

    And this was only the beginning of what the Soviet army had to face.

    Why the USSR leadership ignored all the threatening signs and got involved in this conflict is an open question. It is curious that the members of the Politburo voted categorically against the introduction of Soviet troops into Afghanistan for a long time, but there was one who regularly pushed this idea…


    On the other hand, he was actively assisted by Afghan leaders.
    --------

    Until the end of the 70s, there was relative silence in Afghanistan, the capital Kabul somehow tried to live in a European manner, the rest of the country quietly stewed in its own Middle Ages

    The porridge was cooked up by two curious types - Taraki and Hafizullah Amin. Their biography contains many blank spots. And for someone it will be a revelation. That both, Amin and Taraki, lived and studied in the USA for about 10 years, where suddenly turned into convinced MarxistsIt should be noted that the situation in the USA in the 1950s and 60s was clearly not conducive to Marxism-Leninism.

    And the whole story with the Afghan war seems to have had a double bottom
    1. +1
      31 December 2024 06: 59
      Quote: Santa Fe
      lived and studied in the USA, where they suddenly became convinced Marxists
      I don't think they were Marxists at all. For them, it was just a tool for gaining power, considering that the US is far away, and the Marxist USSR is just across a small river. winked
    2. +2
      31 December 2024 10: 12
      A warning hung over Afghanistan
      ↯ DON'T GET IN - IT WILL KILL YOU ↯


      Is this how you try to justify Gorbachev's betrayal?
      1. +2
        31 December 2024 10: 23
        It's funny to read this.
        In Afghanistan, anyone who wanted to (even before the Soviet army) trampled around.
        As in other countries where modern European armies came, solving problems with small forces.
        1. +2
          31 December 2024 10: 29
          It's funny to read this.
          In Afghanistan, anyone who wanted to (even before the Soviet army) trampled around.
          As in other countries where modern European armies came, solving problems with small forces.


          It's a shame that the USSR succeeded. But they abandoned it.
          1. +1
            31 December 2024 20: 20
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            It's a shame that the USSR succeeded. But they abandoned it.
            Well, everyone abandoned Afghanistan: its occupation does not pay off. And development - even more so. Moreover, they abandoned the USSR there, what can we say about Afghanistan.
        2. +1
          31 December 2024 12: 50
          In Afghanistan, anyone who wanted to (even before the Soviet army) trampled around.

          That's it

          They trampled and left. Afghanistan at all times resembled a mental hospital, where no one wanted to be treated. 90% of the illiterate population, immersed in religious obscurantism

          All this is against the backdrop of impassable mountains, with convenient places for ambushes behind every stone.

          For the USSR, the invasion of Afghanistan promised nothing but losses. Military losses, economic investments in vain. Reputational damage, including damage to relations with the entire Islamic world.

          This is precisely why the Politburo was against sending troops into Afghanistan, rejecting all requests for “brotherly assistance” to the very end. Until the KGB intervened.
          1. -2
            31 December 2024 12: 57
            The cities were no longer inhabited by illiterate people, but by completely secular people.
            They were the ones we had to focus on.

            The USSR already went through something similar after the revolution, in Central Asia.
          2. +4
            31 December 2024 13: 00
            For the USSR, the invasion of Afghanistan promised nothing but losses. Military losses, economic investments in vain. Reputational damage, including damage to relations with the entire Islamic world.


            And the enormous experience that both the army aviation itself and the army as a whole have gained, having learned to use helicopters in reality, and not in exercises, do you think that is nothing?
            Although, modern Russia flushed this experience down the toilet. However, what hasn't modern Russia flushed yet?
            1. +1
              31 December 2024 13: 15
              the enormous experience that both the army aviation itself and

              Experience of war with partisans is useless in war with a regular army. On the contrary, it is harmful. Modern weapons are not needed against a weak enemy, and their development is "forgotten"

              Which was once again demonstrated by the history of the VKS participation in Syria. There were so many laudatory reviews about Hephaestus and precise bombings with ordinary cast iron. As a result, aviation could not operate in Ukraine for two years, until serial production of gliding guided bombs began.
              Although, modern Russia has flushed this experience down the toilet

              Experience from past wars means nothing

              Constant training is important, with the study of the most modern technologies and combat techniques.
              1. 0
                31 December 2024 13: 18
                The experience of war with partisans is useless in war with a regular army. On the contrary, it is harmful.


                Does it seem that way to you?
                1. +3
                  31 December 2024 13: 20
                  Experience in war with partisans is useless in war with a regular army.

                  Was the Syrian experience useful in the war with Ukraine?
                  1. +2
                    31 December 2024 14: 24
                    Was the Syrian experience useful in the war with Ukraine?


                    The entire Syrian experience does not hold a candle to the experience that the SA gained in Afghanistan.
                    And for the army to gain experience, an army is needed, not toy troops and PMCs.
                    1. +1
                      1 January 2025 14: 02
                      Unfortunately, the feeling is that, especially in the first year of the SVO, only Ukraine adopted this experience, especially in terms of interaction with artillery and the importance of communications in this regard.
            2. -1
              1 January 2025 19: 18
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              And the enormous experience that both the army aviation itself and the army as a whole have gained, having learned to use helicopters in reality, and not in exercises, do you think that is nothing?

              An anti-tank platform against militants who didn't have tanks? The experience is valuable, necessary - but not what everything was created for initially.
              And then there were no conflicts with armored vehicles, the PChV and VChV again without tanks
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              Although, modern Russia has flushed this experience down the toilet.
              - What? Did the Spirits have any air defense systems more serious than stingers and bluepipes? But even with them the Spirits destroyed quite a few aircraft
              1. -1
                1 January 2025 19: 28
                An anti-tank platform against militants who didn't have tanks? The experience is valuable, necessary - but not what everything was created for initially.
                And then there were no conflicts with armored vehicles, the PChV and VChV again without tanks


                Do you think that all interaction with ground forces is exclusively in the fight against tanks? Or are you sure that ATGMs are exclusively with anti-tank warheads? lol

                - What? Did the Spirits have any air defense systems more serious than stingers and bluepipes? But even with them the Spirits destroyed quite a few aircraft


                Surely virtual shoulder straps have started to put pressure on your brain? Otherwise, how can we understand your manic desire to get into issues where you understand nothing. lol
                For helicopters, MANPADS pose the greatest danger.
                But to get within the range of medium and long-range missile systems, you still have to try hard.
                Besides, there is a very big difference between working on a front line and over hostile territory.
                Well, it is certainly not for you to judge the reasons for the losses of aviation in Afghanistan.
                1. -3
                  1 January 2025 20: 26
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Surely virtual shoulder straps have started to put pressure on your brain?

                  Judging by your aplomb, it seems they are putting more pressure on you.
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Do you think that all interaction with ground forces is exclusively in the fight against tanks?
                  - but the MI-24 was emphasized as a carrier of anti-tank guided missiles.
                  It is possible to shoot at infantry with ATGMs, but for some reason this was not envisaged during combat operations under the USSR.
                  They started shooting in Afghanistan - we had a man serving with us who helped the industry start making other warheads.
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Besides, there is a very big difference between working on a front line and over hostile territory.
                  - of course, that's why your moaning about "they wasted the experience of Afghanistan" is pointless in the SVO. There are no partisans there - despite the constant mention of militants.


                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Well, it is certainly not for you to judge the reasons for the losses of aviation in Afghanistan.
                  -well, and not to you even more so. Everything has long been calculated and clarified...
                  1. -1
                    2 January 2025 21: 26
                    Judging by your aplomb, it seems they are putting more pressure on you.


                    I'm probably wrong. It seems you lack something to press on. lol

                    - but the MI-24 was emphasized as a carrier of anti-tank guided missiles.
                    It is possible to shoot at infantry with ATGMs, but for some reason this was not envisaged during combat operations under the USSR.
                    They started shooting in Afghanistan - we had a man serving with us who helped the industry start making other warheads.


                    Sorry, but it only seems that way to you. ATGMs were originally intended to hit a wide range of targets. Do you want me to rub your nose in the Mi-24 crew manual? lol

                    - of course, that's why your moaning about "they wasted the experience of Afghanistan" is pointless in the SVO. There are no partisans there - despite the constant mention of militants.


                    And how does a sabotage and reconnaissance group operating in the rear differ from partisans using MANPADS?

                    -well, and not to you even more so. Everything has long been calculated and clarified...


                    Are you saying that you understand this better than me? Have you gone completely mad on your couch? lol
                    However, in that case, can you tell us how many helicopters lost due to the actions of the crew were recorded as combat losses. bully
                    1. -2
                      3 January 2025 01: 04
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      Are you saying that you understand this better than me? Have you gone completely mad on your couch?

                      since you are all dragging it to your superiority in knowledge, it is pointless to explain to you that the General Staff of the SA was meant. Your knowledge is of no interest to me at all
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      And how does a sabotage and reconnaissance group operating in the rear differ from partisans using MANPADS?
                      - your sabotage and reconnaissance groups are no different from partisans - although you were supposedly in Afghanistan...

                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      Would you like me to point you to the Mi-24 crew manual?
                      - want!
                      Give me the instructions!
                      Just not a modern one - but to the Ashka with the "Phalanx". I really want to read about who else it could be used against - besides tanks.
                2. 0
                  2 January 2025 13: 50
                  For helicopters, MANPADS pose the greatest danger.
                  But to get within the range of medium and long-range missile systems, you still have to try hard.


                  What about anti-aircraft artillery, machine guns, and just small arms?
                  1. -1
                    2 January 2025 21: 28
                    What about anti-aircraft artillery, machine guns, and just small arms?


                    In second place are small arms, due to their almost instantaneous reaction. But the MZA, only if you foolishly run into it.
                    1. 0
                      3 January 2025 07: 58
                      It turns out that armor is REQUIRED for a helicopter using ATGMs?
        3. 0
          1 January 2025 00: 38
          Quote: Maxim G
          In Afghanistan, anyone who wanted to (even before the Soviet army) trampled around.

          Only Afghanistan and Ethiopia defended their independence through difficult wars.
          1. 0
            1 January 2025 05: 14
            Independence may be for the state.
          2. 0
            1 January 2025 16: 10
            Quote: gsev
            Only Afghanistan and Ethiopia defended their independence through difficult wars.
            And Siam. Well, which Thailand?
            1. 0
              1 January 2025 18: 04
              Quote: Seal
              And Siam. Well, which Thailand?

              And who attacked it? Thailand was obedient to strong powers. In addition, Thailand saw Great Britain as an ally against Burma. In the 20th century, Thailand became an ally of Japan, and Japanese troops occupied Thailand without war. Although it is necessary to note the professionalism of politicians and diplomats of Thailand who managed to maintain neutrality as much as possible and, making the necessary concessions, avoid both the complete capture of their country by European colonizers and harsh occupation by Japan. Ethiopia and Afghanistan defended their freedom in wars with the strongest European countries.
              1. 0
                2 January 2025 10: 43
                FranceLouis XIV had already attempted to convert the Kingdom of Thailand (then known as Siam) to Christianity and establish a French protectorate, but this failed when the country rebelled against foreign interference in 1688.
                During the rebellion, 40 Siamese with over a hundred cannons besieged the French fortress in Bangkok for four months. The Siamese troops apparently received support from the Dutch in their fight against the French. On September 9, the French warship Oriflamme, carrying 200 soldiers under the command of de l'Estrille, arrived at the mouth of the Chao Phraya River, but was unable to dock at the Bangkok fortress because the Siamese had blocked the entrance to the river.
                France returned to the area more than a century and a half later as a modernized colonial power, engaging in a struggle for territory and influence with Thailand in mainland Southeast Asia that lasted into the 1858th century. During the reign of Napoleon III, on his orders, French warships under Charles Rigaud de Genouilly attacked the port of Da Nang in 1859, causing significant damage and holding the city for several months. De Nuy sailed south and captured the poorly defended city of Saigon in 1859. From 1867 to 1863, French forces expanded their control over all six provinces in the Mekong Delta to form the French colony of Cochin China. In 15, France and King Norodom of Cambodia signed a treaty of protection with France that transferred the country from Siam and Vietnamese rule to French colonial rule. On July 1867, XNUMX, a new treaty was signed between France and Siam.
                And at the very end of the 19th century, in 1893, Siam was forced to give up its claim to the Thai Shan region of northeastern Burma to Britain and to cede the vassal kingdom of Laos to France. Although it should be noted that the King of Laos turned to France for protection instead of submitting to Siam. Although Siam lost a third of its territory, the strategy of using a buffer zone between two colonial superpowers allowed it to maintain its independence. King Chulalongkorn learned from the defeat and was the first king of Siam to travel abroad to study other models of government. He visited Paris in 1897 and 1907. As a result, he intensified his modernization program, thereby building a unitary and absolutist modern state.
                England.
                The Anglo-Siamese War (or Anglo-Thai War) was a brief war fought between the English East India Company and the Kingdom of Siam in 1687–1688. Siam formally declared war on the Company in August 1687. A peace treaty ending the war was never signed, but the Siamese Revolution of 1688 rendered the issue moot.
      2. +4
        31 December 2024 12: 55
        Is this how you try to justify Gorbachev's betrayal?

        The traitor was KGB General Boris Ivanov

        After 40 years, too much points to it.

        The KGB presented the Politburo with false information about the allegedly impending introduction of US troops into Afghanistan. Which served as the trigger

        As for KGB General B. Ivanov, yes, you guessed it, he lived in the USA for a long time.
        1. 0
          31 December 2024 13: 01
          The traitor was KGB General Boris Ivanov

          After 40 years, too much points to it.

          The KGB presented the Politburo with false information about the alleged imminent introduction of US troops into Afghanistan. Which served as the trigger

          As for KGB General B. Ivanov, yes, you guessed it, he lived in the USA for a long time.


          First of all, MSG was a traitor.
          1. +1
            1 January 2025 16: 16
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            First of all, MSG was a traitor.
            Yes. But in 1979, MSG was still a nobody. In terms of authority. By the standards of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, of course.
            Thus, on November 27, 1978, at the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Gorbachev was first elected Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU instead of the deceased Kulakov and, as Kulakov's successor, was put in charge of agriculture. On December 6, 1978, he moved with his family to Moscow. From November 27, 1979 to October 21, 1980, MSG was a candidate member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Chairman of the Commission of Legislative Proposals of the Council of the Union of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in 1979-1984.
  3. 0
    31 December 2024 06: 57
    Quote: Santa Fe
    And the whole story with the Afghan war seems to have had a double bottom

    Any story has a double bottom...the main thing is to be able to use historical precedent...to slip in a Trojan horse or an agent of influence where necessary, or to skillfully play on the contradictions of the enemy.
    To do this, of course, you need to know history better than your enemy.
  4. -3
    31 December 2024 08: 26
    .The question is, can a soldier who, carrying out the command's orders, risked his life, be called a marauder?

    No. If you take the history of mankind, it has always been like that. And they turned a blind eye to it (trophies). It is human psychology. And there is no need to break it. Man has won! And the winner can do everything. Otherwise, what kind of winner is he?
    Soviet soldiers had many German trophies. From harmonicas and German accordions to cars.
    There is even this interesting testimony:

    Yes, Alexander Suvorov gave three days to plunder the city after the capture of the Turkish fortress of Izmail on December 22, 1790.
    1. -2
      1 January 2025 20: 34
      Quote: Stas157
      And they turned a blind eye to this (trophies). This is human psychology. And there is no need to break it. The man won! And the winner can do everything. Otherwise, what kind of winner is he?
      Soviet soldiers had many German trophies. From harmonicas and German accordions to cars.

      there's just one problem - The USSR throughout its history believed that this was very bad, right down to the tower belay :
      UK RSFSR 1926
      193.17. Marauding, i.e., the illegal seizure of property belonging to the civilian population during a combat situation, under threat of arms or under the pretext of the need to take it for military purposes, as well as the removal of items from the dead and wounded for selfish purposes, entails
      application the highest measure of social protection with confiscation of all property,
      with a reduction in mitigating circumstances -
      to imprisonment with strict isolation for a term of not less than three years.

      Criminal Code of the USSR 1960
      Article 266. Marauding
      The abduction on the battlefield of things that are with the dead and wounded (looting), -
      shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term from three to ten years or the death penalty belay .

      and this is one of the reasons why Zhukov got a slap on the wrist for his kilometers of fabric.
      1. 0
        1 January 2025 23: 00
        The USSR throughout its history believed that this was very bad, right down to the tower
        It was considered bad, but in Afghanistan the commanders turned a blind eye to it, especially in the GRU Special Forces.
        1. -2
          2 January 2025 17: 23
          Quote: Lewww
          The USSR throughout its history believed that this was very bad, right down to the tower
          It was considered bad, but in Afghanistan the commanders turned a blind eye to it, especially in the GRU Special Forces.

          Yes, I know - and then they were surprised. Why do the soldiers drag away everything that is not nailed to the floor and/or not safes...
          I know for sure that the fired 152mm brass cartridges were sold like hot cakes for a bunch of AFOS.
          They were also in extremely high demand among the Turkmen in Kushka - I don't remember, but they were expensive. lol The Turkmens even climbed into our artillery depot for them....
          1. +1
            2 January 2025 17: 41
            When they steal, it’s not trophies, it’s theft.
            Trophies are what you took from the killed spirit after the battle: a watch, a Finnish knife, a lighter, a beautiful pen, etc.
            Or a small souvenir from a packed caravan like this one
            1. -2
              2 January 2025 17: 51
              Quote: Lewww
              When they steal, it’s not trophies, it’s theft.
              Trophies are what you took from the killed spirit after the battle: a watch, a Finnish knife, a lighter, a beautiful pen, etc.
              Or a small souvenir from a packed caravan like this one

              You may not have noticed - but the Criminal Code is for trophies more They gave something for stealing.
              And yes, the decomposition started with trophies - "someone can take trophies, but we are losers if we don't get to the battlefield?" (c)
              And taking into account the weapons and drugs from the corpses - and everyone had them there belay......
              And considering that it is possible to declare a dukan an enemy nest and take it by storm, I know that this has happened
              In general, there is no justification for trophies - they decompose any army. And the USSR understood this very well - that's why there were articles before the VMN...
              1. 0
                2 January 2025 17: 59
                You may not have noticed, but the Criminal Code paid more for trophies than for theft.
                I did, but this is already an ideology, like looting is an attribute of capitalist armies, but it is not inherent in the Soviet one.
                Well, and practical considerations: a soldier will take something valuable from a caravan, hide it, then sell it, buy booze and get drunk (and even treat his friends).
                And this is a blow, a reprimand to his commander, and it would be good if it went without any self-harm.

                But the special forces units still had trophies and they used them: cars, motorcycles, weapons, clothing.
                Although special forces are an exception - a separate specificity of combat work
                1. -2
                  2 January 2025 18: 34
                  Quote: Lewww
                  But the special forces units still had trophies and they used them: cars, motorcycles, weapons, clothing.
                  Although special forces are an exception - a separate specificity of combat work
                  - and the rest of the contingent also wanted - cars, radios, soap dishes - tape recorders, sneakers and so on, so on, so on... - ad infinitum.
                  Which was later implemented in the 1990s... but that's a separate sad story

                  By the way, officers told us that there were so few casualties during the assault because the guards heard Russian swearing and either decided that the Shuravi had come to the rescue, or decided not to make any unnecessary movements just in case - so as not to become the scapegoat in the event of claims from the USSR.
  5. +3
    31 December 2024 09: 48
    Thank you very much, Lev!
    The heroic assault on this de facto fortress is simply beautifully and clearly described.
    There was something in Amin's palace that made this infantry assault without heavy weapons, even at the risk of the entire operation failing. But that is a secret for the ages.
    Glory to the Heroes who performed this miracle!
  6. +2
    31 December 2024 10: 54
    The question of whether a fighter who, following orders from his command, risked his life to carry out a coup d'etat in a foreign country, and at the end of the battle put a pack of "unattended" Afghans or foreign watches lying on the floor of the residence into his pocket, can be called a looter remains debatable.

    The moment you take away someone else's property, even from a dead enemy, you are a looter.
  7. +6
    31 December 2024 11: 41
    For those reading for the first time: this article is the final part of a large essay consisting of 4 parts.

    Part 1: https://topwar.ru/255387-o-vvode-sovetskih-vojsk-v-afganistan-istorija-voprosa.html

    Part 2: https://topwar.ru/255783-planirovanie-kgb-sssr-specoperacij-po-likvidacii-glavy-afganistana-h-amina.html

    Part 3: https://topwar.ru/256001-podgotovitelnye-meroprijatija-pered-shturmom-tadzh-bek-rezidencii-glavy-afganistana-amina.html

    I would like to thank the forum administration for posting this publication and wish everyone a Happy New Year 2025!
  8. +2
    31 December 2024 15: 17
    “The very first minutes of the assault ruined our entire carefully prepared plan.”
    Commander of the assault group "Zenit" Ya.F. Semenov

    It would be nice to present this "carefully prepared plan" so that we could compare what worked and what went wrong. Then maybe there would be fewer misunderstandings with the awards.
    What struck me as odd was the mention of problems with communications. It felt like only one of the communication channels was mentioned, the backup one. Otherwise, this miracle plan - the tongue does not turn to call well-thought-out. It seems there was a connection, but the other side was simply silent, unable to suggest anything. And they could have taken into account the possible recording of the broadcast by the Americans. As soon as they learned that the elimination task was completed, they immediately "took command upon themselves." This is natural.
    1. +2
      1 January 2025 13: 02
      There seemed to be a connection, but the other side was simply silent, unable to suggest anything. And they could have taken into account the possible recording of the broadcast by the Americans.

      This version was put forward in a previous publication:

      It also explains the mystery of Sharipov’s unexpected loss of contact with the command post immediately after the group began moving forward and its unexpected restoration immediately after the end of the storming of the palace (which he later recalled with surprise) [6].

      Apparently, the detachment commander H. Kholbaev received strict orders from above to maintain complete silence on the air during the assault. The negotiations could have been intercepted and recorded by CIA employees. And in this case, it would have been difficult to accuse the detachment company commanders of amateur performance, as was (apparently) envisaged in the version of actions of the USSR government representatives in Afghanistan when smoothing over the situation in the event of an unsuccessful assault on the palace and the surviving head of the country Amin, which was fraught with the emergence of a long military conflict between the Soviet troops introduced into Afghanistan and the Afghan army.
      Part 3: https://topwar.ru/256001-podgotovitelnye-meroprijatija-pered-shturmom-tadzh-bek-rezidencii-glavy-afganistana-amina.html

      And there is also a brief description of the plans.
      1. 0
        1 January 2025 14: 30
        Thanks! Somehow I missed this part.
  9. +3
    31 December 2024 18: 42
    They killed a communist in order to hand over the country to the Wahhabis 10 years later.
    A truly brilliant operation.
    Our generals know how to plan brilliantly when it’s not necessary.
    1. 0
      1 January 2025 00: 44
      Quote: magomedsv
      Our generals know how to plan brilliantly when it’s not necessary.

      It was not the military who planned it, but the KGB under Andropov's leadership. Russia's problem is that the secret services stand above the intelligentsia and diplomacy. The USSR achieved its greatest successes in the international arena under Khrushchev, when the MGB-KGB was in disgrace.
      1. 0
        1 January 2025 13: 52
        I can't say anything about who is in charge and who is in charge. But I agree that under Khrushchev there were significant successes in the international arena, especially in the Arab countries. But Khrushchev himself dealt with those who achieved this success.
        1. 0
          1 January 2025 18: 14
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          I can’t say anything about who stands above whom.

          I came across the fact that the Syrians were looking for ways to supply equipment for the production of gypsum panels through Tajikistan, although a relative of the plant owner was fighting in Syria as part of the Aerospace Forces at that time. Diplomats and FSB officers did not bother to collect applications from the Syrians for the need to purchase Russian equipment. Try to talk to Russian diplomats visiting the DPRK about what Russian equipment the North Koreans are interested in. At best, they will tell you about the repressions you face for violating US sanctions, at best, they will ignore you. Although a conversation about North Korean films, cartoons, history, circus, music, songs will be frank and meaningful.
        2. 0
          1 January 2025 18: 28
          I came across the fact that the Syrians were looking for ways to supply equipment for the production of gypsum panels through Tajikistan, although a relative of the plant owner was fighting in Syria as part of the Aerospace Forces at that time. Diplomats and FSB officers did not bother to collect applications from the Syrians for the need to purchase Russian equipment. Try to talk to Russian diplomats visiting the DPRK about what Russian equipment the North Koreans are interested in. At best, they will tell you about the reprisals you face for violating US sanctions, at best, they will ignore you. Although a conversation about North Korean films, cartoons, history, circus, music, songs will be frank and meaningful. If Russia sends its soldiers to fight or serve in Africa, Armenia, Tajikistan, it should have an idea of ​​​​what benefit this will bring. Otherwise, Russian blood and wasted resources will simply advance the interests of Turkey, China, France, the USA. Maybe instead of sending PMCs to Niger it would be more effective to test the use of modern machine tools at the Moscow Higher Technical School and finally use expensive equipment for pilot production of, for example, engines for drones?
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          But Khrushchev himself dealt with those who achieved this success.

          The success was not due to Shepilov's stupidity in supporting the Arabs' military ambitions, but to the USSR's ability to build the Aswan Dam in Egypt and supply the necessary oil production equipment to Iraq after the British sanctions against the nationalized Iraqi oil industry began. Nasser personally passed on to Israeli intelligence through its agent Skorzeny all the information about the progress of the negotiations on the construction of the dam. Nasser, of course, hoped that the information would go to Germany, Great Britain, and the United States directly, and not through Israel. But he should have understood that even in this case, the information he passed on to the West would allow it to more effectively contain the development of the USSR.
  10. +1
    31 December 2024 21: 09
    Maybe it's not on topic, but today is 30 years since the first storming of Grozny. Eternal memory to you guys! Fellow soldiers!
    The third toast is for you, for those who died later, and then for Victory!
  11. 0
    1 January 2025 02: 34
    "Alpha didn't want to kill" M. Boltunov. There is also about the storming of the palace.
  12. 0
    1 January 2025 13: 34
    I first met the aforementioned captain Sakhatov when he already held the rank of lieutenant colonel. It was already known that he had participated in the storming of Amin's palace. A worthy officer, of which there are few.
  13. 0
    2 January 2025 23: 01
    It was not necessary to kill Amin, but to work with him and his entourage. Amin, frankly speaking, was head and shoulders above Babrak Karmal by all criteria.
    1. 0
      4 January 2025 01: 10
      It was impossible to work with Amin - he was an insane, autocratic dictator.