A possible foothold in Libya. A valuable resource, but how much will the price tag say?

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A possible foothold in Libya. A valuable resource, but how much will the price tag say?

For several days, the Internet and the media have been actively discussing new satellite images of Libyan bases, where Russian transport activity is recorded. aviation and some loading and unloading work. Can we now say: "Well, here's Libya, hello again"?

Apparently, yes. But what comes next, here we can quote the words of one of the characters in the film "The Fountain" from the time of late perestroika: "Is it good? I don't know. Is it bad? I'm not sure."



In any case, it is impossible to quickly transport large military and household equipment from Syria to Russia under current conditions. The Libyan bases here are indeed a good option in terms of airlifting some of the equipment, although it cannot be said that this route is close. The distance from Khmeimim to the Libyan bases is 1800–2000 km.

The leader in the eastern part of Libya, H. Haftar, is not an ally for Russia, like the former President of Syria B. Assad (however, it now turns out that he was someone else), but a fellow traveler. From a certain point of view, one can even find a hypothetical plus in this, since relations between political fellow travelers are always more formalized (even if not publicly).

Current news from Libya in the mass media segment has not passed for a long time, so it is time to look at the state of affairs in this difficult part of world geography. Our fellow traveler in Libya will be (if everything finally goes that way) very peculiar, and it will be much more difficult for Russia to work there than in Syria.

West, East and Oil Infrastructure


Libya is de facto still divided into two parts - western (Tripolitania, capital Tripoli) and eastern (Cyrenaica, de facto capital Benghazi), or rather, the second part would be more correctly, although not very normal, called "eastern-southern Libya".

The Libyan government, formally recognized by the “world community,” sits in the capital, Tripoli, but in fact the country has a dual power structure that has already become traditional, which is only partially retouched through the functioning elected bodies of power, such as the House of Representatives, although it essentially represents Benghazi.

The political struggle for the prime minister's seat and finances is tough and constant, turning into armed clashes, but, strangely enough, neither ideologically nor even taking into account the positions of external sponsors and partners, the "West" and "East" are completely irreconcilable. This is now a kind of dynamic balance.

Somehow this structure holds together, and this bond, although completely soulless, is oil. Libya, unlike Iraq, did not seriously lose its infrastructure during the active phases of the war, but it was distributed in a rather specific way.

Since 2022, the average production of black gold in Libya has been characterized by indicators of 1,1-1,2 million barrels per day.

The "collective Tripoli" has the "El-Sharaa", "El-Fil" and offshore "Buri" fields, which gives about 400 thousand barrels per day or 35% of the total. The "collective Benghazi" with the leadership of H. Haftar has the "Sirte Crescent" fields, with the main ones being "Serir", "Waha" and "Selten". Only the last three give 590 thousand barrels per day or 51% of the total. Taking into account the entire cluster, Benghazi has almost 60% of Libyan production. Formally, the "Cyrenaica team" wins here.

It is not enough to extract oil, it also needs to be transported and shipped. As strange as it may seem, everything is more or less normal with the pipes in Libya, the issue is with the loading terminals. 70% of the current loading capacity of Libya as a whole (750 thousand barrels per day) falls on the ports of Ras Lanuf, Es Sidr, Marsa Brega, Hariga and Zuwetin, and they again end up in the zone of influence of Benghazi.

Tripoli, with its two ports (like Melita) in the west, has 2,5 times weaker storage and shipping capacity. It is unrealistic to build new terminals in such conditions.

The infrastructure is the same as that inherited from the "terrible dictator and tyrant" M. Gaddafi, and, naturally, was not designed for such a military scenario. It turns out that here too the "Cyrenaic team" is in the black.

It would seem that we have our own oil (and more of it than in the West), we have our own pipes and pumps, we have storage, we have ports, so what is missing for prosperity and a simple separation of the eastern part of Libya from the western?

To prosper, there is just one little thing missing: money, since oil can only be traded officially by the “NOC” – the national Libyan operator, which sends revenue to the central bank.

There were two central banks in Libya, as well as two authorities, and two NOCs, but the Benghazi NOC cannot officially sell oil - only through the NOC, joint with Tripoli, and only the official Central Bank can receive external money. As a result, the NOC and the Central Bank had to be merged.

Over the past few years, there have been attempts to ship independently and somehow receive money from Benghazi. The EU and the US threatened the UAE on this matter, which helped in this matter and even actively at one time.

This turned out to be very inconvenient technically, under the threat of sanctions, and neither Benghazi nor their sponsors decided to take the risk. But Tripoli no longer had any special methods of coercion.

Exploration, production and exploitation of infrastructure, as well as concessions for sale in Libya from the French Total with some participation from Conoco (USA) and the Italian ENI.

In fact, Tripoli offers participation to everyone: Russia, China, and India, but the main operators and investors are still France and Italy. It is clear that they do not cooperate directly with Benghazi, but work through official structures in Tripoli and the recognized "NOC" with subsidiaries.

As a result, some have the ability to ensure market settlements and status in order to avoid sanctions, the ability to attract mining companies to concessions, while others have volumes and terminals.

This is, in fact, the “bond” that holds the Libyan west and east in a common space. In financial terms, the bond is not so lightweight – Libya receives $13,3–13,5 billion a year from concessions (this is 2022–2024), or 33–34% of oil revenues.

After deducting operating costs and necessary depreciation, this is just a fair half of the market price of Libyan oil, which has high quality characteristics. It cannot be said that the greedy European capitalist does not share with Libya.

It is divided, but it is not enough to “fairly” divide $13 billion between the West and the East; it is also necessary to establish and agree on the shares of authoritative and irreplaceable players within the West and the East. And each wing has its own, and the interests there are not only Libyan, but also third-party.

Military-political division and forces


The personalities who represented (represent) the Libyan West and East are generally well known in Russia through the press: in the first case, it is the former Prime Minister of the Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli Fayez al-Sarraj, in the second case, it is the head of the Libyan National Army (LNA), Marshal Khalifa Haftar. F. al-Sarraj has already been replaced, while H. Haftar continues to work as the patriarch of the Libyan East.

The forces subordinated to Tripoli and Benghazi are not something united and united by tribal or any other principle. In each case, it is a collection of different military brigades. Nevertheless, there is a connection to the locality, and religious and ideological differences are also present.

The division of forces took place in four stages, two of which were the struggle for the central coast - the city of Sirte and the city of Misurata. The first was the stage after the overthrow of M. Gaddafi. The second was the struggle for the city of Sirte with ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation), then the city and its surroundings remained with the GNA.

The third stage is K. Haftar's fight for Tripoli. The city of Misurata opened the way to Tripoli, the city of Sirte was the key to oil reserves and shipping ports. K. Haftar's forces managed to take Sirte, and clear out the surrounding areas and another oil transit center (Ajdabiya). There, on the side of K. Haftar, the forces of the Russian "W" group took part and played one of the main roles.

Misurata and Tripoli did not yield to the marshal due to the direct intervention of Turkey, which sided with the GNA. Units disloyal to Haftar moved to the western half, ISIS (banned in Russia), which had settled there using its characteristic tactics of taking trade hubs, was pushed out into the desert and dissolved for the time being. The fourth stage is the current one and is more political.

As a result, in addition to the Tobruk and Benghazi units, H. Haftar has a "combat guard" left, which consists of the remnants of the special forces recruited under Gaddafi, units from Sirte itself that are quite loyal to him, "combat Salafis" from the forces of the supporters of the preacher R. al-Madkhali ("Madkhalites"). By and large, the Sirte forces and the "Madkhalites" are one and the same in terms of brigades. The backbone of this army is 9 thousand "bayonets", with the possibility of recruiting 8-9 thousand "units" from the militias of the controlled territories.

An important companion on his difficult military-political path for K. Haftar are the tribal and territorial militias that control the El Kufr oases and the borders with Chad, southern Egypt and northwestern Sudan.

These are also radical Salafists, oriented, like the Madkhalis, towards Saudi Arabia, which is located in a very profitable place in terms of caravan trade, while at the same time they have nipped in the bud the local version of Islam (also, by today's standards, of the Salafist persuasion) - the Senussi.

The descendant of the founder of this religious order was the first and only king of Libya (Idris I), who was overthrown by the Jamahiriya. The Senussi are active, there are many of them in the western part of Libya, the al-Senussi family is formally rehabilitated and is related to Libyan politics.

On the western side, we can see the same conglomerate of Tripoli and Misurata units, where the brigades associated with such territories as Zintan (Zintan Brigades), Ghadames, Zawiya, and the huge southwestern region of Fizzan with the cities of Sabha and Mazruk have influence. The GNA and Tripoli as a whole are supported by forces associated with the Muslim Brotherhood movement (banned in Russia).

If in Turkey there is R. Erdogan's party "Justice and Development Party", then in Libya there is "Justice and Construction Party". The GNA (collective Tripoli) several times entered into confrontation with the Zintan brigades, which sometimes leaned towards H. Haftar, but then turned back. Similarly, the tribal brigades of Fezzan (a conglomerate of "Tubu" tribes) sometimes supported Tripoli, sometimes Benghazi, and eventually, against the backdrop of the purges against heretics in El Kufra, they stood for Tripoli. The forces of the parties are approximately equal in numbers, but the forces of H. Haftar are somewhat more resistant to problems.

Kaleidoscope for 2024


F. Saraj ultimately failed to cope with the hardships and deprivations of politics, handing over the post to the openly pro-Turkish politician A. Dbeibeh. But H. Haftar's protégé, F. Bashagha, did not last long in the seat of the general prime minister. The post of prime minister was contested twice in three years and as a result of the struggle, it was quite logical, as was everything else, to be divided between H. Haftar in the person of the former finance minister Osama Hammad and A. Dbeibeh.

This whole kaleidoscope still depends on who and how will distribute oil money. Since 2022, the struggle has been more in the political field and precisely because the oil "pumps" are working. It is the fact that they are working and not standing still that makes the situation, although dynamic, balanced. Moreover, now Libya is part of the oil market with its volumes, Libyan exports are taken into account in price calculations and OPEC+ plans.

The bottom line is that there is the PNA with Prime Minister A. Dbeibah, the House of Representatives in Tobruk with a separate Prime Minister U. Hammad. The former has Turkey and Qatar in the military and ideological-religious sphere, Italy and France as conductors of oil deals and borders with Algeria and Niger with very relative control.

Tripoli's forces are very heterogeneous and sensitive to monetary fluctuations. The second player has oil, pipes and ports with the eastern border, more homogeneous forces, slightly less (but only) sensitive to monetary fluctuations, as well as the support of Saudi Arabia, the UAE and partly Egypt.

This entire deserted military-political vaudeville is much more complicated than what happened in Syria. On the one hand, in Libya there are almost irreconcilable supporters of the Qatari-Turkish Muslim Brotherhood and the Saudi "Salafis". However, in general, we see that local Salafis are on both sides, brigades go back and forth, the militias of the south, the southeast, the southwest can also take the side of both the west and the east.

Both the West of Libya and the East of Libya are forced to somehow negotiate about oil money, and if until 2020-2021 they could still play the game of "who-whom", then after, when the oil industry started working, it became dangerous for each of the parties. The valve can be shut off everywhere, in one case in money, in another case in physical raw materials. Moreover, in Tripoli this can be done by dissatisfied tribes - Tubu and Tuaregs. That is, this is a kind of dynamic balance, which neither party will want to seriously violate.

It is quite logical that Turkey took over the port of Homs, turning it into a military base. In this way, it covers both Misurata and Tripoli at the same time. It is also already clear that Turkey needs not only Libyan resources, but also the establishment of control over the border with Niger, Chad and Sudan - this is how the noose is stretched around Egypt for the future, and for this purpose, Ankara is building a military base in Sudan, and is conducting military-technical cooperation with Niger and Chad, which is growing.

Of course, everything that is happening is just a pale shadow of the "mighty French plan" to defeat M. Gaddafi, where France and Qatar in theory emerged as full beneficiaries in North Africa (after all, the "Arab Spring" began in Tunisia, and M. Morsi's government came to power in Egypt). Now Turkey and France are in conflict, the EU in general and Italy in particular do not welcome Turkey's strengthening in Libya. Saudi Arabia and the UAE, which support H. Haftar, are also against it. This is the balance that has been established over several years.

For Russia


Now let's look at the situation of Russia, which could really use jump-off bases in Libya like the Al-Jufra airbase (this is a district of the city of Hun) and one of the ports. When the "W" group fought in Libya, it represented a large commercial project, which in general, although not in everything, was synergistic with state policy.

The logic of the work of the state and the military corporation are different. For example, in Sudan the corporation supported M. Daglo's forces (SBR) more, and Moscow as a foreign policy player of a different plan is limited in such steps. Also, the corporation could "work" with H. Haftar in a variety of ways, and Moscow as an official player is limited in methods.

In Libya, Russia as a state is coming into the existing balance of power, and it will be necessary to integrate into it precisely as part of the official balance of power. This means working with both Tripoli and Benghazi. But who sits on the financial valve in Libya? France and Italy.

H. Haftar really needs good weapons against the threat from Turkey, Defense and specialists, and Moscow can sell them directly or indirectly, but if Russia is there as part of official policy (military bases), then this plus in weapons is already a violation of the balance.

France and Italy, through the US, can cause a financial crisis in Libya for six months, and how can Moscow stop it? Somehow in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and the UAE, but they have not sought to create a parallel market before. And what player is still standing aside? The US. And they have not even begun to make policy in Libya yet. They have been looking around for several years, giving it to France and the Arabs, this year they have no time for this, but would they in principle miss the opportunity to influence such an important area, especially knowing that they can raise the price for Russia?

Actually, that is why the preamble to this long material included a phrase from the film: “Is it good? I don’t know. Is it bad? I’m not sure.” The fact that we have the opportunity to withdraw some of our resources and forces from Syria is definitely good, but there is also a price to pay, which cannot be resolved using a method accessible to a military corporation.

Tripoli Prime Minister A. Dbeibah has already made statements that Russia's increased presence is an infringement on Libya's sovereignty and is generally a grim matter. This is understandable, and no one expected anything else.

But there is another player - Turkey, which can ask for something important and useful for itself in politics. Turkey can "render a favor", as it has done more than once, because Ankara is our partner and neighbor. It seems kind. Here in Syria it nobly renders a favor. But if you look into it, there is a bill somewhere for all the services.

There was a big war in Syria, but the situation was simpler for the state - our bases were part of the official policy and part of the balance of power, which also had official boundaries. In Libya, to create such conditions, it would be necessary to pay both Tripoli and Turkey, and not far away are the USA and "friendly" France.
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  1. +7
    24 December 2024 05: 00
    If Libya had not been surrendered then, perhaps there would have been Aerospace Forces and Navy bases in Libya, but then they went to meet friendly Western partners... We were friends then... But we were deceived...
    1. AAK
      +1
      24 December 2024 07: 16
      The biggest bottleneck in the entire central and eastern Mediterranean is Erdogan's Turkey. I believe that Moscow should have long ago thought about the problem of Erdogan both as a rabid Ottoman imperial pan-Turkist and as a stubborn religious almost fanatic: no Erdogan - no problem and the Great One should not have saved such a "friend" from the Gulenists. The internal chaos in Turkey has always played into Russia's hands...
      1. +3
        24 December 2024 07: 55
        "I don't need the Turkish coast,
        "And I don't need Africa," he replied with the words from the song. I suggest that we first complete the planned goals on the outskirts before harnessing ourselves to another adventure. There are already plenty of interested actors there, even if they continue to squabble among themselves. We need to deal with the near abroad first and start from scratch!
        1. 0
          2 January 2025 22: 24
          Quote: vasyliy1
          than to get involved in another adventure.

          The title of the article says "how much will be written on the check". First we need to ask, how much did it cost us to support Egypt and Syria? Allies and comrades have disappeared, and billions of dollars, and millions of tons of "aid" have also disappeared. recourse crying
      2. -4
        24 December 2024 09: 44
        But I don’t know, when their military started a ruckus, we helped this “friend”, and now his whole back is like a hedgehog’s, only with needles pointing inward.
    2. +1
      24 December 2024 08: 27
      If Libya had not been surrendered then

      these questions to our "warrior" - I WILL GIVE...
    3. -1
      24 December 2024 09: 47
      Is Russia to blame again? Gaddafi sent Russia straight, saying that he would not repay the debts, although he had a lot of money. He started to lick the Americans, sing serenades to Obama and the French.
  2. +1
    24 December 2024 06: 01
    It seems Syria wasn't enough...
    1. +3
      24 December 2024 06: 52
      Cardboard Marshal Haftar is 81 years old, betting on this horse will not end well. In 2020, Marshal Haftar made an unprecedented rapid strategic retreat, accompanied by corresponding losses in manpower and equipment (mostly provided free of charge by the Russian Federation).
      1. -2
        24 December 2024 09: 02
        81 is not 101, the guy can still live and drive for another 5 years. Everything changes rapidly.
        1. 0
          24 December 2024 17: 31
          – I, we, our generation want to know for whom we lived and fought. Into whose hands will the building we erected fall?!

          lol
          Haftar does have sons, he has someone to "pass on what has been erected." Saddam Haftar has such opportunities.
          1. -1
            24 December 2024 17: 35
            That's also a good option. And besides, Libya is much more conveniently located for basing ships, in the center of the Mediterranean. It's not for nothing that barrels for the ships of the 5th OPESK were there.
            1. 0
              24 December 2024 17: 38
              There shouldn't be any problems with the PMTO, in theory. The question is with a full-fledged base, because it needs to be planned so that there is communication with Niger and Mali - that's another case, already overland.
              1. -1
                24 December 2024 17: 41
                Well, the S-400s were moved there, I think the "Pantsirs" too. There is an airfield, a port - berths, warehouses. In general, it is enough for now, and then - we'll see.
  3. +1
    24 December 2024 06: 02
    I remember our media also started kicking Gaddafi, after he was torn to pieces by a wild crowd. They kicked him, of course, not as hard as the Western media, but they still kicked him. Assad was also called a plunderer of the country, a dictator and an executioner. Now, against the backdrop of the "democrats" who came to power, who would give Assad a head start, they seem to have fallen silent
    1. +2
      24 December 2024 06: 35
      Assad was also called a plunderer of the country

      "What happened there? How did you escape?" - Everyone was pestering and pestering, but Assad only shook and shot at the planes" (c)
    2. 0
      24 December 2024 12: 38
      What difference does it make? Assad didn’t become better because others didn’t do so well either.
    3. +1
      24 December 2024 17: 24
      Now the people are once again rioting against al-Sisi in Egypt. But they don't say that he is a dictator and a tyrant, and meanwhile the al-Sisi regime is actually worse than Assad in terms of internal "tyranny", and in terms of the economic model it is one to one with Iran with its second "military economic circuit". Well, just like relatives, it is strange that they are only now trying to improve relations. But they don't say about Sisi that he is a dictator, that he plunged the country into corruption, etc. What selectivity. wassat
      1. 0
        24 December 2024 22: 16
        Iran lives on its own, while Egypt lives on loans from its richer Arab brothers, and lives rather poorly without any sanctions.
  4. +2
    24 December 2024 07: 17
    We just can't leave these damned wastelands, we have no worries of our own, we're going to the savages. We won't solve anything there and we won't benefit, we'll just waste resources and complain about another stab in the back.
    1. +2
      24 December 2024 07: 30
      Well, it is possible that Niger and maybe even Sudan, given a combination of factors, will eventually be taken over by Türkiye. It is possible.
      1. +1
        24 December 2024 09: 00
        Mikhail, thank you for the current situation in Libya, because our media completely forgot about Libya after Haftar's defeat near Tripoli. It was very difficult to understand who controls what in Libya now, especially with the sale of oil and the rights to official military cooperation with Haftar. Wagner is unofficial, but providing airfields and ports for basing our Aerospace Forces and Navy is something completely different, when Tripoli is considered the official authority in Libya.
        1. +1
          24 December 2024 17: 11
          Yes, the state cannot work like Wager. Tripoli offers our oilmen to "work" and "develop", but this is only the top layer of the process.
  5. +1
    24 December 2024 08: 23
    I don't understand. Like Pilate, they washed their hands of Libya, they tore Libya apart, and now we're trying to wedge ourselves in, maybe we'll get something, or what if they throw us a bone from Libya? Russia is tied up in Ukraine. The country itself needs weapons. The weapons market is essentially lost.
    1. +1
      24 December 2024 09: 19
      I don't understand.
      There is nothing to understand there, so that it would be more comfortable for businessmen to build their business on foreign shores, it is desirable to have security guarantees.
      12.11.2024/XNUMX/XNUMX, Kommersant. Libya is working on the full return of Tatneft to the state. This was reported to TASS by the acting head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Government of National Accord (GNA) of Libya, Taher al-Bawr. In May, Libyan Investment Minister Elgaidi Ali Saidi Saad said that the country was ready to conclude an agreement with Tatneft to build an oil refinery in the Arab country.
      As the minister reported, Tatneft was interested in implementing this project.
      The Tatarstan company had been operating in Libya under a concession agreement since 2005. Tatneft left the country in 2014 when military action engulfed the territory of the Arab country. In 2021, the Tatarstan company resumed geological exploration in Libya.
      1. +2
        24 December 2024 09: 28
        The bone was thrown under the table after all, those who stand behind PNE.PNE allowed it...
  6. 0
    24 December 2024 08: 30
    The Libyan bases here are indeed a good option in terms of airlifting some of the assets, although it cannot be said that this route is close. The distance from Khmeimim to the Libyan bases is 1800–2000 km.

    and how much, by air, from Russia to these very bases?
    Will our planes fly without a stopover?
    I'm not asking through which countries (NATO) one must fly there...
  7. +4
    24 December 2024 09: 06
    "He wants to, but who will give it to him?" You can broadcast from the screen about greatness and power, you can threaten with various analogs and various clubs (and do they exist)... But the reality is somewhat different... And many see and understand this...
  8. -1
    24 December 2024 09: 18
    A porridge of political forces. All the good projects for projecting power in the world have already been staked out by others. We have to stew in This.
  9. -1
    24 December 2024 11: 25
    The more the government with Putin V.V. is engaged in foreign policy, trying to be good for strangers, the more the people of Russia understand that all this will be paid for by Russians. And Putin began with the pension reform, which he promised not to do, but apparently he had to forget about his sovereignty under pressure.
  10. -1
    24 December 2024 11: 51
    Now there is only one bridgehead - Ukraine. We will either merge into a deal or lose - we will no longer need Africa.
  11. 0
    24 December 2024 12: 40
    You raised an interesting topic, it’s really a vaudeville, of course.
    IMHO, getting into Libya from Syria now is the worst thing we could do. It is now clearly visible (from the same Syria) that our objective ability to detect and suppress threats "on the distant borders" is frankly weak. The example of Syria, where all these "supposedly sudden events" brought down the main boar in a week, despite our actual inability to influence it in any way, and the fact that in Syria we left a lot of lives and poured a lot of money and time into it, kind of hints at the fact that the potential for influence and the quality of this influence in the region of some Turkey or Israel SIGNIFICANTLY exceeds ours. And since we are talking about Libya, there may not be an Israeli factor there, but there will be a European and Turkish one. And Libya itself is no closer to us than Syria. And in order to settle there, we will have to pour in greenbacks, bring in materials, move equipment, etc. To get used to it. All these are expenses in the conditions of already existing uncertainty and already existing strong external players (regionally unfriendly to us).
    Probably AT THIS MOMENT we would be better off keeping these resources for ourselves in the interests of the current and most important conflict for us. Libya is not going anywhere, with time everything will work out there in a more favorable configuration for us - either the uncertainty will decrease, or the formal division will become stronger.

    If we choose to stay in the region at any cost, then it would probably be better for us to reduce our presence in Syria while concluding agreements so that it can nevertheless be sustainably preserved. It would be desirable for us to keep there exactly those forces that we can quickly and thoughtfully evacuate, on the one hand, and on the other, so that these bases could support our African endeavors (if they take place).
    It is worth admitting that with the fall of Assad, our BV epic in the form in which we really wanted to be there is over. Figuratively speaking, they knocked down our queen and took away the queen. What is happening there now is the game of Turkey, Israel and to a lesser extent Iran and to an even lesser extent the USA and the WB. There are simply more of us there than NeD.
    Paradoxically, this is even beneficial for us (if we don’t take into account the image losses), because it allows us to focus from abstract, exhausting politics to real, beneficial politics.
    Unfortunately, I am not sure that we will learn this lesson, given the flirting with Sudan and so on. We are still trying to play at being more than we actually are now.
    1. 0
      24 December 2024 17: 20
      It is not for nothing that General Surovikin in a cap is billeted not in Libya, Mali, the Central African Republic or Niger, but in Algeria. If we choose between all the players, then, at first glance, Algeria seems to be the most adequate player for us. They have a decent level of sovereignty. But here such nuances come into force that still need to be pulled apart and picked apart in terms of analysis. Here it is necessary for someone who knows the Sahel very well to join the analysis, like Angelina Paskhina (she periodically writes for us on VO). One thing is clear - the Central African Republic, Niger, Mali are states of inner Africa, it is unrealistic to work only by air, roads and access to the coast are needed. On the other hand, getting from Algeria to Mali by land or from Libya to Niger is another case.
  12. 0
    24 December 2024 13: 09
    First, there was Syria in 2015. It successfully deceived the Russian population and distracted them from the bloody consequences of the surrender of Ukraine to the Americans in 2014.
    Now - Libya.
    Libya, while on Russian territory for 5 months there has been a strategic NATO bridgehead for taking the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant, and Russia still “can’t” eliminate it!
    Does Russia have the forces to deal with Libya? If so, why don't these forces liberate the Kursk region?
    The US/UK colonial administration has already committed many such acts of sabotage. As is their custom.
    To what level of debilitation did the people have to be brought in 33 years for them to "eat up" all this? How much longer will these people be deceived so that they become smarter? Does Russia have time?
    I come from the USSR - half of my life was spent there, and I have something to compare with.
    Hero of the Soviet Union, Major General of Aviation Rutskoy once said in an interview that he does not call those who currently live in Russia the people, only the “population.”

    I wrote this poem a year and a half ago. It is still relevant today.

    How to recognize deception when you have lost the habit of telling the truth,
    When his hits are sung in every key,
    It's better not to notice the shameless bravado
    And in a sweet lie create prosperity and comfort.

    Such a house will not provide shelter or protection,
    Will sell you to the enemy while you sleep,
    Will free you from the soul and conscience of the murdered,
    It will be sickening to live in it and simply - to die.

    I'm not ready for such an epilogue yet,
    You idolize yourself and the lives of your children,
    We'll have to put things in order little by little
    And take the deception away from the door.

    To recognize him, and without the mind of the chamber,
    Don't believe any words, no matter who says them,
    Wait for real actions, words and results
    Compare and you will know who was telling the truth.

    There is no way you can be deceived for the third time.
    Two are enough to brand a liar,
    The third time you will help to deceive yourself
    And you will repeat until your end.

    To know for sure the purpose of this deception
    Be able to put the results of the tasks on the schedule,
    Connect with a line, it will be stamped for you
    It will show the bitter meaning of the path taken.

    And since I have completed such a construction,
    Found the liar and the purpose he served,
    Understand that in his hands, the truth is a crime
    Because he also applied it to the goal.
    1. 0
      7 January 2025 15: 06
      Was it Syria that lied? Or did the new democratic Russia betray and abandon everyone who believed in it? A full page list, starting with the GDR...
      Rutskoy is the same hero who got lost, flew into Pakistan, where he was shot down by an F-16. For this feat he was awarded
  13. +1
    24 December 2024 15: 01
    Military bases “abroad” are effective for a sovereign state when, first of all, it exists as a real subject of world politics.
    Secondly, when the country creating these bases has an industrially developed economy that can, with its science-intensive and high-tech goods, not only conquer foreign markets, but also, through this trade that is beneficial to the manufacturing country, create and develop "on the periphery" structures of ITS financial influence. As the "matrasnya" did in the 20th century. That is, first it "changed the landscapes", dug ponds and built bridges, and then, already, released into these ponds fish that constantly want to become piranhas (...
    And, thirdly, I have already written about this, what is happening in the world is not a competition of goods and their consumer properties, but, first of all, a competition of social and production relations. The more modern and social they are, the more liberated the productive forces in the country, the more sophisticated goods the economy can produce and sell for export. For Russia, today, under the regime of the dominance of the financial and commercial oligarchy, this is an unattainable goal. And the entire "foreign" policy of "our" oligarchic "Wine-Pooh" will end up with its ass beaten from another fall (... And, therefore, we need to change the landscape.

    P.S. If Teddy Bears were bees...
  14. 0
    24 December 2024 19: 31
    Dear Mikhail Nikolaevsky! Let me note (from the experience of socialist and military-strategic analysis) - the presence of a military base on "foreign" territory is ALWAYS a "pleasantness," an element of influence on the leadership of those territories and a source of all sorts of "first-hand" news for the leadership of the state - the "owner" of the base.... Yes! There are difficulties, but they are a trifle, compared to the "goodies" and "treats" that the state - the owner of the base has.... With proper observance of military-diplomatic "politesse" and a clear international policy, in particular, - this is a good "bonus" for the new Russia... Let's be honest - Libya is one of the first and few who "forgot" or pretends to "forget" how Russia betrayed it politically and economically and threw it to the "torn apart" of the EU + USA in the wild 90s.... And, here, Cuba is still in a certain political "thoughtfulness" regarding Russia's proposal: again "to be friends at home"... And, not only Cuba.....
    1. +1
      24 December 2024 20: 20
      the presence of a military base on "foreign" territory is ALWAYS a "pleasantness"

      The same pleasantness and "yummy treat" as the presence of a strategic US/UK foothold on our territory at a distance of 40 km from the Kursk NPP.
      And this is in the context of a war already prepared against us by NATO countries and Japan.
      In your "parallel reality" there may be another Russia, which is doing well and which can safely spread its forces across Syria, Libya, Africa and other spheres of influence.
      In our reality, everything is ready for the destruction of Russia.
      Even a springboard for the capture of a nuclear power plant by superior NATO forces under the flag of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, with the aim of nuclear blackmail of Russia, safe for the US, from the very beginning of a major war.
    2. 0
      25 December 2024 04: 54
      I wouldn't count on anyone "remembering" the good. There are only some general outlines in terms of + or -. In Syria, for example, all the revolutionaries "did" was "effortlessly" release a batch of socks with a picture of Bashar al-Assad from his personal photo archive. Well, they think that showing feet and soles is nasty and generally humiliating, and a photo of Assad on the heel is like "humiliating Assad's toad". The level of +- is about the same everywhere. Gaddafi is not remembered any better, well, maybe except for a few individuals. Woe to the vanquished and victory has many fathers, but defeat is always an orphan. We have an eternal problem that there is friendship or enmity, but there is no such thing as a cooperative strategy. In Syria, we also got the "Chaos map" that we were unable to cooperate with Iran and the "Marshal plan". But people tend to get tired of problems and now they remember only that it was bad under the Iranians and Russians. What was before them - they don't remember (or rather don't want to), there will be chaos and poverty again (there will be) they will remember that the Russians were such radishes, and the Iranians are frogs. In Libya now there is balance and money, so no one will remember anything good about Gaddafi. C'est la vie.
  15. 0
    30 December 2024 12: 33
    As a simpleton, I cannot understand what a base on the Mediterranean Sea gives Russia? It is a closed sea and you can only get there through allied states. Russia now needs to think about dominance in the Black Sea and the Baltic, and even better, in first place on the Dnieper.
    Then to the Northern Sea Route, to the Northern Ocean and to the Kuril Islands.
    The Mediterranean Sea is a trap that they have trapped themselves into.
    1. -1
      30 December 2024 16: 44
      If we work with Africa, then the options are Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Benin and Senegal. Otherwise, there is no way to get inside the continent.
  16. 0
    30 December 2024 23: 52
    There are two possible scenarios in Libya - GDR and FRG, well, like. West and East. And the second scenario is a confederation with a bunch of external players in the contour. I'm not sure that the first scenario is better for us. It is possible that in 2 Trump will get in there, the balance of power will immediately change.
  17. 0
    7 January 2025 14: 59
    Everything is stated correctly. I applaud. Although we have no prospects there and there is nothing to be happy about.