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Ukrainian nationalism: the way to the abyss

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In essence, Ukrainian nationalism is not the creation and support of the Ukrainian national idea, it is primarily blind xenophobia and Russophobia, even at the cost of subordination to external factors and forces. The Ukrainian version differs from other varieties of nationalism primarily in the specifics of the national Ukrainian idea and stories her appearance and existence.

There is no point in talking about the first representatives of the Ukrainian nationalism of the OUN-UPA, since it is safe to say that the history of the emergence and activities of this organization is well known to many, if not all. It makes sense to talk about the peculiarities of Ukrainian nationalism and its manifestations in the conditions of modern reality.

As soon as Ukraine became an independent state, the tendency to popularize the extreme stage of nationalism began to increase. The emigrant diaspora and the west of the country turned into ideological centers. At the same time, it is necessary to note the fact that nothing fundamentally new in the representation of the nationalists regarding the proper future arrangement of the state and the nation has appeared. And instead of making even the slightest attempts to build a modern democratic state, the Ukrainian people see an attempt to rehabilitate chauvinists and collaborators, at the same time spreading xenophobic and Russophobic attitudes among the inhabitants of the western regions of the country. Thus, this kind of nationalism is not at all nationalism in its purest manifestation, but rather a deviation from it, which has nothing to do with patriotism.

In order to understand how Ukrainian nationalists behave in relation to the residents of EU member countries, and even more so in relation to the Russian-speaking population in the eastern regions of Ukraine, there is no need to go far for examples. So, in particular, in February 2011, in connection with the anti-Polish speeches in Lviv, the World Congress of Poles and their descendants who lived during the Second World War in the eastern outskirts of Poland, was forced to turn to the Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk with an open letter . In this letter, it was said that at the end of January, in the center of Lviv, which is an important city for Europe and Poland, the Ukrainian nationalists, intoxicated by the OUN-UPA cult, organized a torch procession that strongly resembles the Nazi marches. Germany. According to the authors, the Polish Consulate General in Lviv did not react to this statement, which may indicate an underestimation of Ukrainian modern nationalism.

In addition, the battalion "Nachtigall" and the division "Galicia", which are built by the Ukrainian nationalists to the rank of real heroes, were recognized by the Nazis and Nazi collaborators during the Nuremberg trials. Further more. During the presidency of V. Yushchenko, the Ukrainian capital in general was turned into a fair of anti-Semitic and fascist literature. Judge for yourself: what can you say if the notorious “My Struggle” and similar books were sold freely in Kiev, moreover, translated into Ukrainian. And this is despite the fact that in most European countries, those who sell such literature face imprisonment.

It should be noted that anti-Semitism, which is present in the ideology of Ukrainian nationalism, is generally a topic for another conversation. German fascists used anti-Semitism as a convenient tool with which they could justify everything, from some small setbacks to crimes against humanity. As for modern Ukraine, the allegations that “Muscovites and Jews are to blame for everything ...” can be heard at almost every meeting of nationalists, including completely peaceful gatherings in cafes and street marches with banners, swastika flags and slogans.

Another important point, which occupies a considerable place in the activities of modern nationalists, is the destruction of monuments to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War and Soviet political figures, as well as the desecration of the graves of Soviet soldiers killed by the Nazis. But when it comes to the destruction of monuments, there can be no talk of a stable future for the state. In Kiev, the monument to N. Krupskaya was disfigured, in Zaporozhye - the monument to Stalin was blown up, in Borispol - the monument to Lenin was destroyed, the same was done already this year in many other Ukrainian regional and district centers. Several years ago, in Lviv, on the Alley of the Hill of Glory complex, the graves of Soviet soldiers were desecrated, and the Ivano-Frankivsk leadership refused to follow the graves of Soviet soldiers buried in the cemetery in the post-war period, suggesting that veterans do it themselves ... This is only a small part of those feats in which Ukrainian nationalists have distinguished themselves recently.

The UN General Assembly in 2010 adopted a resolution by a majority vote, according to which any racist propaganda, as well as the slightest attempt to glorify the Nazis, is outlawed. The resolution was supported by representatives of 129 states. America opposed the document, as well as two small Pacific states that are in association with the United States - the Marshall Islands and Palau. But why in fact followed their example and Ukraine, which abstained from voting? Should it be considered a recognition that the Ukrainian government closes its eyes to what is happening in the country? In fact, the Ukrainian state was in favor of racism, xenophobia and ethnic discrimination, even indirectly, because the UN resolution concerned all forms of practice that contribute to the spread of racial discrimination, intolerance and xenophobia.

Today, many are greatly worried by the rapid growth in popularity among the population, especially in the western regions, of the All-Ukrainian Association “Svoboda”, a radical nationalist movement headed by Oleg Tyagnibok. Despite the fact that in the course of its development this party was forced to slightly correct the name, rhetoric and symbolism, abandoning the so-called “Idea of ​​the Nation” sign, very much like a swastika, it still retained its initial ideas. And the last parliamentary elections in the country have shown that in Ukraine there is a fairly large percentage of potential supporters of radical nationalism. The movement, which only a few years ago was called the “Social-Nationalist Party of Ukraine” (by analogy with the same party of fascist Germany), went to the Verkhovna Rada without any problems at the 2012 elections. But two years ago, the slogans and appeals of Freedom were perceived as something utopian, marginal and completely incapable of attracting the attention of the people. Nationalists received the voters mainly because the population of the West of Ukraine was disappointed in the policies pursued by BYuT, Our Ukraine and the Party of Regions.

Meanwhile, Svobodtsy did not come up with any new propaganda methods, and they use all that was popular among the ultra-right forces of the first half of the last century, in particular, the search for external enemies, a combination of national and social rhetoric, appeal to traditions and religion. Those ways of solving the problems that Freedom offers do not threaten the economic structure of the country so far, therefore, at the first stages, they can well satisfy both workers and entrepreneurs. At the same time, the party is actively cooperating with street ultra-rightists (by the way, among the deputies of the Lviv City Council, there are quite a few immigrants from football fans who are nationalist-minded). It is no secret to anyone that Freedom actively cooperates with so-called autonomous nationalists. Thus, the nationalist Ukrainian party, unlike the rest, forced to buy extras for holding actions and rallies, may well use the services of its supporters, albeit not entirely free. Moreover, they are reliably protected from the police, because all the neo-Nazis detained for disorderly conduct are protected by deputies and lawyers.

If we evaluate the activities of the Svoboda party as a whole, then it is necessary to note one more thing: those so-called patriots who declare racist ideas and almost sing Nazi hymns do not want to see not only in the CIS, but throughout Europe. Germany has not yet forgotten the consequences of the establishment of the fascist dictatorship in it, and this page in history is a great tragedy for the German people. The French also survived the difficult period of the Nazi occupation. But both Germany and France are the most important states of the European Union, so it is obvious that they will be the first to oppose the slightest support of Ukrainian nationalism.

Today, the Ukrainian ruling elites pursue an ill-conceived ethnic policy. Despite the fact that it is striving for a noble goal - the revival of Ukrainian culture, without taking into account the whole number of factors that influence the atmosphere in a multi-ethnic society, has resulted in a surge of xenophobia and Russophobia, a fall in inter-ethnic tolerance.

But the government needs to remember that with the historical lie and interethnic hatred, which is currently actively fomented, the future of the state will not be able to be built. And in no country in the world did such a rewriting of history take place, which could be observed during the years of V.Yushchenko’s presidency, and can be observed today due to the growth of nationalism in the western regions. The civilized world understands that the rewriting may come a time when someone wants to change something, in other words, to fight. But Europe understands perfectly well, because it remembers what radical nationalism can bring to the world.

Hence the quite obvious conclusion: the radical nationalists should not be allowed close to power ...

Materials used:
http://www.anti-orange-ua.com.ru/content/view/2221/42/
http://oplib.ru/onlineread/10083/
http://obkomsumy.at.ua/news/fashisty_dvadcat_pervogo_veka/2013-02-16-894
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  1. queen
    queen 21 March 2013 08: 12
    15
    Miserable, always offended. You should not pay attention to them, do not touch Mr. But, and will not stink.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 March 2013 08: 21
      37
      Quote: regin
      You should not pay attention to them, do not touch Mr. But, and will not stink.

      In (in) Ukraine, it stinks even without touching, so that it would not stink it must be assenesed, and the latrines should be treated with lime chloride.
      1. queen
        queen 21 March 2013 08: 24
        10
        I agree +, Let them figure it out in Ukraine, Our intervention will not be needed for the Slav brothers, they themselves outweigh them.
        1. domokl
          domokl 21 March 2013 08: 50
          12
          Quote: regin
          , Our intervention is not needed for the Slav brothers

          lol But Ukrainians don’t need our intervention .. They find it for anyone ... Either Gazprom doesn’t sell it that way, then Russian businessmen buy something there, then the Russian language runs into the language ...
          To understand, then they will understand, but at what cost, not only for themselves, but also for us ...
          1. TAGIR
            TAGIR 21 March 2013 09: 48
            +5
            No doctor can perform an operation on his own. A surgeon is needed to remove a cancerous tumor. The only question is under anesthesia or live
            1. Zeus
              Zeus 21 March 2013 15: 14
              +4
              In 1961, the surgeon L.I. Rogozov performed the appendectomy in Antarctica. At least two similar cases (not widely covered) are also known in Soviet medical practice: in 1959, the ship doctor of the Soviet Ukraine liner Kalinichenko operated on an appendectomy in a 12-point storm, and also in the 1970s, senior lieutenant Pakhomov performed a similar operation on an autonomous expedition of a missile submarine cruiser.

              http://www.people.su/93883

              It would seem, what does Ukraine have to do with it)))))))))
          2. Goga
            Goga 21 March 2013 10: 34
            14
            domokl - Greetings, Alexander! Pay attention to such a passage in the article - a quote - "But both Germany and France are the most important states of the European Union, so it is obvious that they will be the first to oppose the slightest support for Ukrainian nationalism." - but why would that be? Yes, Germany can be said generally stood at the origins of such a "nation" as the Ukrainians. And even if all these zahidens openly shout "Heil Hitler" at the top of their lungs, Europe will still support them just to spoil Russia and prevent our people from reuniting. They did not spend so much energy on the collapse of our country so that now, because of such a "trifle" as Nazism, they would abandon their fosterlings.
            1. domokl
              domokl 21 March 2013 11: 27
              +6
              Quote: Gogh
              ... And even if all these zahidens openly yell "Heil Hitler" at the top of their lungs, Europe will still support them just to spoil Russia and prevent our people from reuniting.
              I welcome Igor! Alas, you can’t argue. At the moment, Russian-Ukrainian strife is on the side of the West. Any option for the development of Ukraine, in addition to reuniting in any form with Russia, is against us ... Such a twofold way to engage Russia in the arms race. South border we are weak as never before. And this is practically all of Russia to the Urals. And we will have to strengthen it ..
              But nationalists and fascists are quite digestible both by Germany and France, and by the whole EU combined. Example-Baltic with the march of fascists ...
            2. DmitriRazumov
              DmitriRazumov 21 March 2013 11: 52
              +7
              Quote: Gogh
              And even if all these zahidens openly shout "Heil Hitler" at the top of their lungs, Europe will still support them just to spoil Russia and prevent our people from reuniting. They did not spend so much energy on the collapse of our country so that now, because of such a "trifle" as Nazism, they would abandon their fosterlings.

              It’s hard to disagree. In Germany, you can get into jail only for Nazi statements. Nevertheless, the Germans and the so-called. civilized Europe does not notice the constantly organized Nazi marches in the Baltic states and in Ukraine. Moreover, legally operating Nazi parties in these countries are not subject to any condemnation by the official bodies of the European Union, PACE, etc. The conclusion suggests itself that Europe is growing regular Hitlers in order to confront the m / n arena of the Russian Federation. This has already been seen somewhere in the recent past, although it did not end very well for Europe itself.
            3. Georgs
              Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 06
              +5
              Quote: Gogh
              Pay attention to such a passage in the article - a quote - "But both Germany and France are the most important states of the European Union, so it is obvious that they will be the first to oppose the slightest support for Ukrainian nationalism." - but why would that be? Yes, Germany can be said generally stood at the origins of such a "nation" as the Ukrainians. And even if all these zahidens openly yell "Heil Hitler" at the top of their lungs, Europe will still support them just to spoil Russia and prevent our people from reuniting. They did not spend so much energy on the collapse of our country so that now, because of such a "trifle" as Nazism, they would abandon their fosterlings.

              Absolutely agree. Europeans are silent in a rag when the Baltic states (members of the European Union, by the way) are organizing SS marches. Well, here no one will say a word across. Here the last veterans in Ukraine will die, so be calm - all these ounces will unfold in full force. They will grab young Ukrainian brains. They will bring up new warriors against reality.
            4. Nesvet Nezar
              Nesvet Nezar 21 March 2013 14: 27
              +5
              So I say that Ukrainians are brothers on me. Ukrainians are Russians living in Ukraine. Like Siberians - Russians living in Siberia.
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 21 March 2013 09: 33
          +8
          Right, right. Let outweigh. The people of Ukraine will applaud while standing. Neo-nationalists, neo-opportunists, neo-democrats and neo-communists have already gotten into power-hungry ones. It is necessary to understand the main thing that the simple PEOPLE of Ukraine are not with them
          1. domokl
            domokl 21 March 2013 10: 12
            +7
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            . It is necessary to understand the main thing that the simple PEOPLE of Ukraine are not with them
            Oh, I want it to be true .... However, as the author rightly points out, nationalists are gaining popularity among the people ... Confirmation of the appearance of nationalists in the Rada ... Just a couple of years ago we laughed at the Nazis of Ukraine, and now it’s already political party elected to Parliament by the people of Ukraine
            1. sichevik
              sichevik 21 March 2013 10: 32
              +8
              I agree with you. Even in the Russian-speaking city of Zaporozhye, a lot of sympathizers with nationalists have recently appeared. I even know some eccentrics with the letter "m", Russian by nationality, who at one time came from Russia, who do not speak the Ukrainian language (do not even understand this language), but fiercely and with foam on their lips supporting Ukrainians.
              This is scary. The media is constantly conducting anti-Russian propaganda. And the latest parliamentary elections are proof of this.
              1. Evgenx
                Evgenx 21 March 2013 14: 36
                +1
                I fully support! Not only has Russia betrayed us (Russian-speaking), it allows "Svidomo", read the Westerners, to dictate their terms to the entire international population of Ukraine!
              2. FATEMOGAN
                FATEMOGAN 21 March 2013 16: 29
                +5
                Quote: sichevik
                I agree with you. Even in the Russian-speaking city of Zaporozhye, there have recently appeared a lot of sympathizers for nationalists.

                Yes ... how fast the world is changing .... And not so long ago, at least by historical standards, at the end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century, the west of Ukraine mainly considered itself Russian. For reading Russian newspapers, for a postcard in Russian, Austrians threw people to the first concentration camps and shot them. At the same time, the Russian language lived and flourished, it was a symbol of the struggle for their rights, for freedom ... it’s a pity that today's youth of the west of Ukraine do not remember that valor their grandfathers, to protect the Russian in itself !!!

                Good article on this topic:

                The territory of present-day Western Ukraine has long been under Polish, Austrian, Hungarian influence, which led to the gradual denationalization of the indigenous population. However, in the depths of the soul of the Rusyns there - the Galician, Bukovynets, Transcarpathian - the Russian feeling still glowed. Humiliated and slaughtered, the inhabitants of those provinces still remained children of Russia. That same Mother Russia - the common homeland of the Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians.
                And when the time came, the process of returning the Russian language, the language of culture and enlightenment common to the whole Russian Land, began.
                In 1834, the Galician scientist Nikolai Kmitskevich wrote that the indigenous people in the Great Russian, Little Russian, and Belarusian lands “speak the same language, divided into different dialects,” considering the Galician dialects to be heavily littered with polonisms, and dialects Great Russians - the most pure and close to the spoken language of ancient Russia.

                Particularly strong desire for the Russian literary language manifested itself since 1848 during the "spring of peoples" that were part of the Austrian Empire. The congress of the Galician-Russian scientists that gathered that year decided to introduce teaching in the schools of the Russian literary language and gradually bring Galician dialects closer to it. “Let the Russians start from the head, and we will start from the feet, but sooner or later we will meet each other and come together in heart,” said the prominent Galician historian Anthony Petrushevich at the congress.

                Full version of the article - http://odnarodyna.com.ua/node/12452
            2. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 21 March 2013 11: 07
              +9
              The answer is simple. The people got sick of the thieves' regime of power from that region. The people in Ukraine traditionally rise up not for, but against, and, according to the saying, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, supports everyone who opposes the "pakhanat" with his gang of thieves living "by concepts" and not by the Law.
              Understand! Convicted of lies, hypocrisy, meanness, double standards and cornered regionals, in the person of the patented provocateur and leader of the PR Efremov, provoked a scandal, officially accusing the "Svobodists" from the rostrum of the Rada of neo-fascism, diverting attention for their meanness in the work of the Rada. Rada has turned into a center where honesty, decency, and culture are completely absent. This is a dump of shit without honor and conscience collected from all over Ukraine. Only deep cleaning, processing and disposal will save Ukraine. Delay contributes to even greater decay and the demise of the state.
              1. Mefodiy
                Mefodiy 21 March 2013 12: 33
                +4
                Eh, and I was minus for such a thought in the comments in the last "Ukrainian Opinion", for some reason ...
              2. Kaa
                Kaa 21 March 2013 18: 44
                +7
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                officially accusing from the rostrum of the Rada "svobodovtsy" of neo-fascism

                And what next, to be silent in a rag? A neo-fascist - he is a neo-fascist both in Africa and in Ukraine, you would better pay attention to why he was emotional - during his speech in RUSSIAN, the Natsiks began to chant and rage, then they took off their jackets, like "Persians on Sale" and went to Mochilovo ... So who is the provocateur ?! Here above, as I understand it, my fellow countryman writes:
                Quote: sichevik
                Even in the Russian-speaking city of Zaporozhye, a lot of sympathizers for nationalists have recently appeared

                It is also true that the monument to Stalin was blown up, the author of the article writes. But then - the police accepted these vyunosh, they took a steam bath in the pre-trial detention center, then, although they received suspended sentences, they received them. I know some of them personally - they have quieted down. Monument to Stalin - restored. In the city - the main avenue - Lenin, ends with Lenin Square with a huge and inviolable monument to Lenin, standing near the Dneproges named after Lenin on the bank of the Lenin reservoir. We do not observe the streets of Bandera, Petlyura or Shukhevych, the "mass action" on Bandera's birthday - the police were more than a hundred Natsikov's riffraff. But on the 9th of May - every year TENS OF THOUSANDS walk the main avenue to the Lenin monument TRADITIONALLY and this year they will come. In their own Galicia - let at least someone glorify - BUT: on their hard-earned "hard-earned" money, and we do not need such a good thing. But what Efremov's party members are doing: "On December 24, People's Deputy of Ukraine Vadim Kolesnichenko registered the draft Law" On the prohibition of the propaganda of same-sex sexual relations aimed at children "(register No. 1155) http://www.from-ua.com/politics /435ffb8716ede.html
                "Today, the People's Deputy of Ukraine Vadim Kolesnichenko registered in the parliament a draft resolution" On the prohibition of hate speech and expressions that humiliate human dignity "(regarding offensive statements" zh.i.d "," h.o.kh.o.l ", m. o.s.k.a.l. and others) No. 1152 dated 21.12.2012.http: //www.from-ua.com/politics/29d9994638251.html ARE YOU AGAINST THIS?
                01.02.13/16/20 XNUMX:XNUMX Kolesnichenko wants to give the Russian language a "special status": compulsory study in schools, exams in universities
                The Russian language should receive a higher status in Ukraine than other minority languages, since it is preferred by a number of nationalities living on the territory of Ukraine. This is stated in the "Second periodic public report on Ukraine's implementation of the provisions of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages," prepared in 2012 with the participation of MP from the Party of Regions Vadym Kolesnichenko *, Censor.NET reports with reference to Tyzhden.
                Referring to the 2001 census, the authors of the Report indicate that among the citizens of Ukraine, who then called Russian their native language, ethnic Russians made up only 56%. 88,5% of Greeks, 83% of Jews, 64,7% of Germans, 62,5% of Belarusians, 30,3% of Bulgarians, 22,7% of Gagauz, 17,6% of Moldavians, 15,6% of Poles called their native language Russian 6,1% of Crimean Tatars, 5,2% of Slovaks, 1,5% of Romanians, 1% of Hungarians. http://censor.net.ua/news/231767/kolesnichenko_hochet_dat_russkomu_yazyku_osobyy

                i_status_obyazatelnoe_izuchenie_v_shkolah_ekzameny_v
                SO WHO IS YOUR OPINION OF A PROVOCATOR? Even in Germany sorted out ...
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 21 March 2013 19: 56
                  +6
                  About the language I want to repeat ...
                  ATTENTION!!! Everyone nationally excited! Listen to the voice of MIND from Canada. A few years ago, Ukrainian Canadian Viktor Polishchuk warned the governing Little Russians: “WITHOUT OVERCOMING UKRAINIAN NATIONALISM ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE A DANGER OF DEGENERATION WILL HANG”. Professor at Harvard University of the United States, ethnic Ukrainian Roman Shporlyuk: “The easiest way to destroy Ukraine is to begin to Ukrainize non-Ukrainians. The greatest danger for independent Ukraine is language fans ”
                  http://digitalmetro.us/
                  xxxxxx
                  Even there they understand it !!!!!

                  Well, in addition - from the article by A. Zubchenko:
                  "And finally, about the interesting technology of trolling" Svoboda ", which was invented by Pyotr Symonenko. As you know, the" freedom-sheep ", if they hear speeches in Russian in the session hall, begin to reflexively shout:" Ukrainian! ". Pyotr Nikolaevich does this: The fascists are silent. Abruptly switches to Russian. "Svobod-sheep" get excited. Again speaking in Ukrainian. The fascists have a cognitive dissonance. They do not have time to react to what is happening. In my opinion, a very effective way of trolling. " laughing
                  http://www.versii.com/news/275462/
                  1. FATEMOGAN
                    FATEMOGAN 22 March 2013 03: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Well, in addition - from A. Zubchenko's article: "And finally, about the interesting technology of trolling" Svoboda ", which was invented by Pyotr Symonenko. As you know," freedom sheep ", if they hear speeches in Russian in the session hall, begin to shout reflexively: "Ukrainian!" Pyotr Nikolayevich does this: speaks in Ukrainian. The fascists are silent. Abruptly switches to Russian. "Freedom-sheep" get excited. Again speaks Ukrainian. The fascists have a cognitive dissonance. They do not have time to react to what is happening. Very, on an effective way of trolling in my opinion. "


                    Thanks to Petr Simonenko for the original trolling of the Nazis, and you for the announced news, reading your posts is always interesting! hi
                2. official
                  official 21 March 2013 23: 57
                  +1
                  Sorry Kaa, amendment. The criminal case of the explosion of the monument to Stalin is still in production, and in fact. But they accepted and condemned others. Then, after the explosion, all signals for weapons and explosives, as well as for nationalist youth groups, were actually worked out. So they hooked a whole row of illegal possession of weapons, from Zaporozhye to Ivano-Frankivsk. Those condemned, but for illegal possession of weapons. E terrorist attack (as classified UD), and hangs in fact in the regional administration of the SBU.
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 22 March 2013 03: 39
                    0
                    Quote: official
                    Sorry Kaa, amendment. The criminal case of the explosion of the monument to Stalin is still in production, and in fact. But they accepted and condemned others.

                    Sorry, but I disagree. "The Oktyabrsky District Court of the city of Zaporozhye today pronounced a verdict on the activists of the All-Ukrainian organization" Trident "in the case of blowing up the monument to Stalin, all nine defendants received from 2 to 3 years in prison with a 1-3-year suspended sentence... This was reported by the press service of the Zaporozhye regional organization of the VO "Svoboda".
                    The court also ruled to compensate material damage in the amount of 109 thousand 820 UAH. Recall that in Zaporozhye on the night of January 1, 2011, a monument to Stalin was blown up. The head of the Zaporizhzhya regional organization of the Communist Party, Aleksey Baburin, estimated the total amount of damage resulting from the destruction of the monument in the amount of 270 thousand UAH. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the explosion occurred on December 31, 2010 at 22:45 .http: //www.rbc.ua/rus/newsline/show/vynesen-prigovor-po-delu-o-podryve-pam
                    yatnika-stalinu-vinovnye-12122011144300 - RBC-Ukraine, 12.12.2011, Zaporizhia, 14:43
                    " 22:22 14/06/2012
                    KIEV, June 14 - RIA Novosti, Victor Avdeenko. The Court of Appeal of the Zaporizhzhya region on Thursday upheld the verdict to the members of the nationalist organization "Trident", who in December 2010 in Zaporozhye damaged the monument to Joseph Stalin, UNIAN reports with reference to the state prosecutor Andrey Kmety. The three-meter monument to Stalin was erected on the territory of the Zaporozhye regional committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine in May 2010. At the end of December of the same year, attackers cut off the head of Stalin's bust, and on New Year's Eve the monument was destroyed by an explosion. Law enforcement agencies have detained nine activists of the Ukrainian nationalist organization "Trident" named after Stepan Bandera in the case of vandalism. In December 2011, they were given suspended sentences ranging from two to three years. court reduced the amount of pecuniary damage that nationalists must compensate the communists, by 3,2 thousand hryvnia (400 dollars). Now the amount of damage is estimated at 106628 hryvnia (about 14 thousand dollars) .http: //rian.com.ua/politics/20120614/79089582.html
                    If you are about to appeal to the ECHR, I have no such information. "The investigation is over, forget it." Once again, I am familiar with some of the convicts ... it happened ... And the monument stands: "Today, on November 7, on the anniversary of the Great October Revolution in Zaporozhye, the communists unveiled a restored monument to Joseph Stalin. - After the terrorist act committed on the territory Zaporozhye regional party committee, and the destruction of the monument to Stalin, veterans literally a few days later gathered a press conference and announced the start of fundraising for the restoration of the monument to I.V.07.11.2011 13:44 ReporterUA, photo by Andrey Glushchenko http://reporter-ua.com/2011/11/07/reportazh-v-zaporozhe-otkryli-vosstanovlennyi-
                    pamyatnik-stalinu
                    1. official
                      official 24 March 2013 00: 34
                      +1
                      Kaa, I'm sorry now. The fact is that you are citing the verdict, which was passed by the SAW of the monument to Stalin. After all, first at the monument the Svoboda activists sawed off the head with a "grinder", who were later installed and detained. So they were brought to justice. These "lads" were tried on for the explosion, but ... it didn't work out. The explosion case was suspended due to failure to identify the persons involved in the crime, I declare with full responsibility. The reason for the reclassification from hooliganism or illegal circulation of explosives (which is under investigation by the Ministry of Internal Affairs) to terrorist acts (under investigation by the SBU) was a very interesting appeal on the Internet, on which there are many questions, but the fact remains - the prosecutor's office classified the terrorist act, the case was transferred to the SBU, where it is now and is.
                      1. Kaa
                        Kaa 24 March 2013 00: 51
                        0
                        Quote: official
                        It so happened that I’m also familiar with some, but ... on the other hand

                        Quote: official
                        the prosecutor’s office classified the terrorist attack, the case was transferred to the SBU, where it is now located.

                        There is a lot of misunderstanding with explosions in this god-saving city ... the old Pokrovsky temple, for example, a murky story, is also familiar with acting (or inactive persons) for some reason ... but in general it’s interesting ... about mutual intersections .. . bully
                      2. official
                        official 24 March 2013 19: 28
                        0
                        So and I about the same. The ball is actually a little scarlet, and Zaporozhye is even smaller ... For every corner you run across a friend hi
                  2. official
                    official 24 March 2013 00: 35
                    +1
                    It so happened that I’m also familiar with some, but ... on the other hand bully
            3. morpex
              morpex 21 March 2013 20: 27
              +2
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              The answer is simple. The people got sick of the thieves' regime of power from that region. The people in Ukraine traditionally rise up not for, but against, and, according to the saying, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, supports everyone who opposes the "pakhanat" with his gang of thieves living "by concepts" and not by the Law.

              Again to the point Yura! This is one hundred percent truth about why the Ukrainians supported Svoboda. That is, not because FOR, but because AGAINST this Caudles in the face of the bandits, the corrupt creatures who call themselves communists, operetta politicians who call themselves opposition. They are all one KAGAL! You should have seen how they are not kissing each other's camera !!!
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 21 March 2013 21: 49
                +7
                Quote: morpex
                Again to the point Yura! This is one hundred percent truth about why the Ukrainians supported Svoboda. That is, not because FOR, but because AGAINST this Caudles in the face of the bandits, the corrupt creatures who call themselves communists, operetta politicians who call themselves opposition. They are all one KAGAL! You should have seen how they are not kissing each other's camera !!!


                What is the slogan “Ukraine for Ukrainians”, which is so actively promoted by nationalist Ukrainian organizations and their main combat detachment - the All-Ukrainian Association “Freedom”? This is a division of the civil society of Ukraine along ethnic lines with a further designation of the titular nation. All the rest are turning into “national minorities”, the range of rights and obligations of which is determined by the degree of development of democracy and civil society institutions in the country.
                Who sponsors and actively shapes the Svoboda policy? The most prominent Israeli-Ukrainian oligarch Kolomyisky.
                The slogan of the Zionists = "Israel for the Jews" from the same opera as Russia for the so-called Russians. swamp nationalists, again feeding from the same siogist arm ..

                I. Kolomoisky is considered the richest Israeli under the control of which there are about 200 commercial enterprises and the value of assets of which is estimated at $ 14-15 billion (4). Kolomoisky heads the largest business group in Ukraine, Privat (with its subsidiary PrivatBank), which holds 20% of the global ferroalloy production capacity and 12% of manganese ore reserves (5). In Ukraine, Privat occupies a monopoly position in this area: the group controls the Nikopol, Zaporizhzhya and Stakhanovsky ferroalloy plants, the Manganetsky and Ordzhonikidze GOKs, the Pobuzhsky ferro-nickel plant and a number of other industry enterprises, which account for 96% of the total ferroalloys production in the country.
                link
                If in Russia after Putin came the power of the seven-bankers and Jewish oligarchs shook, they no longer have that total influence as in the 90s, then the results are obvious, even Deripaska who in 2011. bent his fingers and said that without us. that is, their oligarchs, the authorities will not be able to take a step, then
                after his alliance with Rothschild, for some reason today has a pale appearance.
                In Ukraine, after the resignation of the outspoken "Slavophobe" Yushch and the arrival of Yanukovych, in fact, nothing has changed, the same Kolomyia and others like them, citizens of a FOREIGN STATE by passport, and if not by passport, then by SPIRIT. still determine policy. moreover, his Freedom achieved the highest electoral success.
                So think of the reasons why Ukraine cannot become a normal respected state in any way, despite its potential. Is Moscow’s great-power chauvinism the only reason Israeli friends slip here for us?
                1. morpex
                  morpex 21 March 2013 22: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  So think of the reasons why Ukraine cannot become a normal respected state in any way, despite its potential. Is Moscow’s great-power chauvinism the only reason Israeli friends slip here for us?

                  I know everything about this and believe me for a long time. And I know where all this can lead. We have the whole Parliament saturated with compatriots Kolomoisky. If not a full Jew, then half or a quarter ... But it’s not customary to talk about it here. in anti-Semitism or even worse fascism ...
                2. morpex
                  morpex 21 March 2013 22: 22
                  0
                  Quote: morpex
                  If in Russia after Putin came the power of the seven-bankers and Jewish oligarchs shook

                  Answer Zbigniew for me. For my reasons, Russia is the same as ours ..
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 March 2013 22: 38
                    +2
                    Thanks to the wise American legislature for the Magnitsky list, this is no longer the case. Those who have at least a smidgen of intelligence do not keep their money in the USA now. After the incident with Cyprus, they will also be withdrawn from the European Union.
                    1. Ascetic
                      Ascetic 22 March 2013 00: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade

                      Thanks to the wise American legislature for the Magnitsky list, this is no longer the case. Those who have at least a smidgen of intelligence do not keep their money in the USA now. After the incident with Cyprus, they will also be withdrawn from the European Union.


                      Andrey Bokarev, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Transmashholding CJSC (No. 109 of the Russian List of Billionaires, net worth $ 1,35 billion):

                      We have no situation in Cyprus. The modern oligarch has all the money in Russia.

                      That is, one who is loyal to the authorities. This system was built by Putin. For better or worse, this is a rhetorical question, for any monopoly and oligarchy is bad.
                      it is needed only at the transitional stage of concentration of capital to compete with global TNCs of America.

                      Vladimir Potanin, president of Interros (No. 4 of the Russian list of billionaires, net worth $ 14,3 billion):

                      There is no Cyprus problem for us. [In companies] that we personally own or [in which] I [participate] as a beneficiary, I have no situation. Neither Norilsk Nickel, nor Interros ... We use the Cypriot jurisdiction, but we do not keep money in Cyprus. Here (in Russia - Forbes) the most profitable taxation. We keep the bulk of our money in Russia or wherever we do business, for example, in South Africa. But [there too] a little. The Russian banking system is quite reliable and deposit rates are high.


                      Otherwise, otherwise you would have come out of Putin's circle dear and your business would not have been protected by anything. Vaughn Deripaska pulled Nathan Rothschild to Nonickel and fell out of favor with Potanin’s buns.

                      Friendship, however, does not interfere with the intentions of the Rothschilds. After all, it cannot be ruled out that after the failure with the oil business in Russia, they will seriously tackle the Russian non-ferrous metallurgy. And then, and "Norilsk Nickel", and nobody will be jealous of Oleg Deripaska.
                      .

                      link
                      So it was not in vain that all those who were dissatisfied ran to Medvedev, and they screamed over Cyprus most of all, chef. Everything was gone ..

                      Meanwhile, David Yakobashvili, chairman of the board of directors of Wimm-Bill-Dann, in an interview with Firstnews urged not to dramatize the situation around the export of assets abroad by Russian businessmen and did not begin to associate this trend with politics.
                      I would not argue that most people keep money abroad. Most often, if they feel insecure, they will diversify their capitals, partly they are stored there, partly in Russia, he stressed. Today, storing money in Russia is quite interesting: both Sberbank and VTB, which provide 5,5% 6% per annum, are quite reliable banks.
                      According to him, basically those who acquired them illegally are inclined to export capital abroad. At the same time, the businessman added that he himself prefers to keep his savings at home and invest in Russian projects.
                3. Kaa
                  Kaa 22 March 2013 03: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  I. Kolomoisky is considered the richest Israeli

                  Quote: Ascetic
                  the same Kolomyia and others like them, citizens of a FOREIGN STATE by passport, and if not by passport, then by SPIRIT. still determine the policy

                  " Meet our future Khodorkovsky - Igor V. Kolomoisky? "The conflict between Kolomoisky and the ruling group has moved from a hypothetical plane to a real one. Specific areas of conflict have been identified - air transportation and the fuel sector.
                  The subjects of the conflict were identified - on the one hand, law enforcement agencies carrying out specific actions against Kolomoisky’s structures, and, on the other hand, Igor Valeryevich himself with partners.
                  Kolomoisky’s specific losses were identified in terms of his strategy of minimizing costs at this stage - the refusal to finance football clubs, which are not only a business, but also a sign of high positions in the power hierarchy. Kolomoisky’s income is falling and he can no longer support his “fighting football stables,” otherwise he will have to forget about bread and butter. Finally, possible strategies for counterattacks by Kolomoisky were identified: “There is information that Igor Kolomoisky is threatening to collapse the hryvnia if attacks on his business continue. It is worth noting that Kolomoisky is perhaps the only oligarch in Ukraine of such a level, whose interests are poorly represented in the legislative and executive branches, and power structures. Nevertheless, he is the only oligarch whose influence on the country's economy can be most tangible. Privatbank is the most powerful financial structure of Ukraine, and any slightest changes in its work can significantly correct the situation in the country.
                  This could be a collapse of the hryvnia exchange rate, or more radical measures: the simultaneous closure of Privatbank branches and a malfunction in ATMs can put Ukraine in a "martial law" in less than a day
                  Kolomoisky - the minimum task is to withdraw capital, the maximum task is to preserve key assets. Kolomoisky has a number of points that strengthen his position:
                  First, he leads the European Jewish Council. It is symbolic that his cadence lasts from 2010 to 2015. Undoubtedly, this gives him powerful support mechanisms from the Jewish community, both in Ukraine and abroad. It can definitely be said that Kolomoisky can enlist the help of Israel, the USA and Europe, relying on the relevant circles in these countries. If the Family goes on a frontal attack , then Kolomoisky, indeed, can put Privatbank to destabilize the financial system of Ukraine. Because it really will be, if not the end of the Yanukovych regime, it will bring him very big problems. Destabilization will be the background for leaving the country, provided that the main assets have already been removed abroad.
                  In this case, through economic leverage, a state of chaos is achieved (through the collapse of the hryvnia, through the panic of investors, through the creation of an artificial or real fuel shortage), and political instruments (“Freedom”, if there is a real relationship, or other opposition parties) will be advanced and pumped up resources for the formation of a new political regime, where you can stake out a place for yourself.
                  This scenario may include organizing or participating in a coup, mass riots in the field or in the capital. http: //hvylya.org/analytics/politics/znakomtes-nash-hodorkovskiy-igor-va ...
              2. GG2012
                GG2012 21 March 2013 22: 08
                +2
                Quote: morpex
                why did the Ukrainians support "Svoboda". That is, not because they are FOR, but because they are AGAINST this Caudle in the face of the bandit regionals,

                Good evening! Sorry to interrupt, in the conversation of respectable husbands, but I would like to add an example from the deputy's life.
                There are few people in Ukraine who can tell the offensive truth to the Donetsk people in person, while the plague people "Svobodovtsy" do it. Therefore, their rating grows where it is not possible in principle. This is in the central and eastern Russian-speaking regions.

                http://ord-ua.com/2013/03/19/kolesnikov-uzhe-hvataetsya-za-grudki/?lpage=1
                "... People's Deputy (Party of Regions) Boris Kolesnikov in the Verkhovna Rada entered into a scuffle with the press secretary of the Kiev youth wing of the VO" Svoboda "Alexander Aronets, who, according to the regionals, insulted him with his words about theft.
                According to Sled, people's deputies Boris Kolesnikov and Nikolai Levchenko (both Party of Regions) went up to the balcony of the Verkhovna Rada, where there were assistants to the deputies and began to make claims that the assistants of the opposition deputies were recording voting in the parliament. “I will bring 80 assistants here and will shoot every vote,” Kolesnikov promised.

                The deputies’s assistants answered them that they were doing this only so that the voting in the Rada was carried out personally.

                “In 200 years you will not achieve what any of these deputies has achieved,” said Boris Kolesnikov, addressing Alexander Aronts. “I’m not so much like you,” he retorted.

                “Are you responsible for your words? Why are you insulting? ”Asked the regional, after which he grabbed Alexander Aronts by the lapel of his jacket and tried to pull him out into the lobby. A small hustle began, but the People's Deputy Andrei Mokhnik ("Svoboda") stood between Boris Kolesnikov and Alexander Aronets and prevented the beginning of the scuffle. Mokhnik said that the assistants of the people's deputies carry out the instructions of their superiors. “Deal with the deputies, not the assistants,” he said.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?eature=player_embedded&v=9dZWV22aHxQ

                Unfortunately, for some reason the video is not loaded, so I just give its address.
                1. morpex
                  morpex 21 March 2013 23: 19
                  0
                  Quote: GG2012
                  There are few people in Ukraine who can tell the offensive truth to the Donetsk people in person, while the plague people "Svoboda" do it. Therefore, their rating grows where it is not possible in principle. This is in the central and eastern Russian-speaking regions

                  Here it is. It is the only real force that is not smeared in their thieves' machinations. That's why she’s not afraid of them .... Everyone else has mutual responsibility. They rob it together.
                  That is why the people support them. As I already said, not because of Za, but because it is against the existing regime.
                  1. Hudo
                    Hudo 22 March 2013 09: 30
                    +1
                    [/ quote] Here and there it is. The only real force that is not smeared in their thieves' machinations. Therefore, it’s not afraid of them .... Everyone else has mutual responsibility. They rob it together. [/ Quote]
                    Your untruth !!! Read, for example, the comments of citizens on the Ternopil website http://20minut.ua/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%A2%D0% B5% D1% 80% D0% BD%
                    D0% BE% D0% BF% D0% BE% D0% BB% D1% 8F /. Especially under notes on ordinary everyday topics. Another thieves.
                2. Kaa
                  Kaa 22 March 2013 03: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: GG2012
                  “I’m not so much like you,” he retorted.

                  In a decent society for such a thing - a candelabrum, in a civil society - in court. As for the Svobodovites, the first option is closer to me ... negative
            4. gora1960
              gora1960 April 11 2013 18: 14
              0
              I fully support. I am Ukrainian and am also ashamed of ours, which has seized power.
        3. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 21 March 2013 10: 33
          +7
          As grandfather Lenin used to say, the winner is not the one who is right, but the one who is better organized. So the people of Ukraine may still have to survive their "crystal night". God forbid!
        4. morpex
          morpex 21 March 2013 20: 10
          0
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          . It is necessary to understand the main thing that the simple PEOPLE of Ukraine are not with him

          Yuri! Hello! The shortest and most correct comment. This tells you a simple Ukrainian ....
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 21 March 2013 10: 30
        0
        Outweigh whom?
      3. Georgs
        Georgs 21 March 2013 11: 58
        +2
        Quote: regin
        I agree +, Let them figure it out in Ukraine, Our intervention will not be needed for the Slav brothers, they themselves outweigh them.

        Oh, something is very doubtful to me!
      4. Nesvet Nezar
        Nesvet Nezar 21 March 2013 14: 25
        0
        Ukrainians are not our brothers. Ukrainians are Russians living in Ukraine.
      5. Vanyatko
        Vanyatko 21 March 2013 18: 36
        +2
        I do not agree. It is imperative to intervene, because there is a war for the souls of young people in the first place. Brought up by Russophobes they will spawn their own kind, and this infection will grow like a snowball.
        “When the opponent says,“ I won't go over to your side, ”I calmly answer:“ Your child already belongs to us ... Who are you? You will leave. You will be gone. And your descendants are already on our side. Hitler said this in November 1933. Everyone knows what happened in 1939. So it is necessary to interfere, it is necessary.
    2. Natalia
      Natalia 21 March 2013 10: 03
      +7
      Nationalism as for Russia is not acceptable, as a matter of fact for Ukraine as well .... for it will smoothly flow into Nazism, since it is very difficult to find this thin line between Nazism and nationalism.
      And this so-called Ukrainian ononism nationalism, this is just what people came up with who we ... to Ukraine and its history .... I do not say the betrayal of the memory of the ancestors who fought against fascism.
      When the edges are erased, about what is good and what is bad, people cease to lose their individuality and dissolve in the mass ..... that’s the way the Americans acted at the time (and still do) .... for America, the centuries-old European has always been a big problem the culture that they have dissolved today in popular culture (same-sex marriages and all that is an example).
      Imposing values ​​that are completely unnecessary, perverted ...... and forgive me of course, but in order to believe that Bandera is a hero, you need to have a cold on your head ..... although the Ukrainian National Bolsheviks will not agree with me (naturally).
      1. Gari
        Gari 21 March 2013 16: 55
        +2
        Stalin - on nationalism March 26, 1941
        Actual and now
        “No, we are doing the right thing so severely punishing nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own peoples. After all, the cherished dream of nationalists is to fragment the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union, for the most part, will be physically exterminated, while the remaining part will turn into dumb and miserable slaves of the conquerors.
        It is no coincidence that the despicable traitors of the Ukrainian people - the leaders of Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, Konovalets, Bandera have already received the task from the German intelligence to incite among Ukrainians who are the same Russians, hatred of the Russians and to seek the separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union. All the same old song from ancient times from the period of the Roman Empire: divide and conquer.
        Especially succeeded in inciting national hatred and incitement of one people against other Englishmen. Thanks to such tactics, bribing the miserable and corrupt leaders of various nations, capitalist island England - the first factory of the world, negligible in size, managed to seize vast territories, enslave and rob many nations of the world, create a “Great” British Empire, in which, boastfully say the British, the sun never sets.

        With us, this number, while we are alive, will not pass. So, in vain did Hitler’s fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards”, which supposedly would fall apart at the first serious test, count on the fragility of friendship between the peoples living in our country, hope to quarrel them with each other. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities living in our country will defend it without sparing their lives, like their beloved homeland.
        However, nationalists should not be underestimated. If allowed to act with impunity, they will bring a lot of trouble. That is why they should be kept in the iron rein, not to let them undermine the unity of the Soviet Union. ”

        IV Stalin - Complete Works. Volume 15, "Conversation with A.S. Yakovlev 26 March 1941 of the Year ", C. 17
    3. Vasisualiynik
      Vasisualiynik April 8 2013 05: 30
      0
      What kind of comments, and so it is clear that the Ukrainian nationalists are not Ukrainians, but those whose ancestors were (literally) Germans, Austrians, Swedes, Lithuanians, Hungarians ... that’s the blood that roams. Nothing to be proud of
  2. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 21 March 2013 09: 40
    +6
    ukroinizm, fundamentally has the basis of Russophobia, because in order to become ukroinets, you need to kill the Russian in yourself, kill the Mother Tongue, Faith of the Ancestors, kill the name itself Russian
    1. sichevik
      sichevik 21 March 2013 10: 43
      10
      Dear, not "ukroinizm", but "ukrainism", not "ukrointsy", but "ukraintsy". None of the Ukrainians writes --- "Rassia", "scatteredism" and even more so nobody calls you Mari "Morians" or "Murians".
      You need to have a little sense of tact and respect your opponents.
    2. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy 21 March 2013 12: 42
      +1
      Damn, I didn’t know that there were killers in my relatives wink
      And "Yoshkin Cat", great fellow, opened my eyes bully
  3. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 21 March 2013 14: 58
    +1
    Here I look at face snout of this deputy from "Svoboda", yesterday I watched a video on the news only there was a fight near the podium and this character Ukretny with the same expression was. Well, seriously, without charges and jokes.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 21 March 2013 16: 14
      +3
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Here I am looking at the face of the snout of this deputy from "Svoboda", yesterday I watched a video on the news only there the fight was near the podium

      So this is the leader of "Freedom" - Tyagnibok! (in anger) laughing
    2. morpex
      morpex 21 March 2013 20: 45
      0
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Here I look at the face of the snout of this deputy from "Svoboda", yesterday I watched a video on the news, only there was a fight near the podium and this character was kapytny with the same expression. well, seriously, no accusations and gags.

      Have you ever seen at least one person with a normal facial expression in the Rada? All polls are degenerates with a complex of power and, in addition, pronounced schizophrenia! Why are all schizophrenics? I answer: LIE CONSTANTLY AND WHAT THE MOST INTERESTING IS BELIEVE IN OWN LIE! See how everyone with foam at the mouth proves their FALSE by passing it off as TRUTH!
    3. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy 22 March 2013 20: 37
      0
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Here I look at face snout of this deputy from "Svoboda", yesterday I watched a video on the news only there was a fight near the podium and this character Ukretny with the same expression was. Well, seriously, without charges and jokes.

      And I look at ......................... Volfovich Vshiy, when he is in "shock" and ........... ........... (further in the text)
  4. anton107798
    anton107798 21 March 2013 20: 48
    -5
    oh what terrible we are here! just scary like that! and funny ... to read so our nationalists, well, right the last evil on earth. I’m not a nationalist, and not when I didn’t respect what they do, but here they write it like there’s no more Natsik! You have no less! Yes, on this very site they are full
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 21 March 2013 22: 03
      -1
      Quote: anton107798
      our nationalists well, right, the last evil

      ...... well, do you acknowledge that you have them? Well ..... what then. Nationalists are generally evil wherever they are. Why are you blocking them, if you are not a National Bolshevik then why are you contradicting the public scandal of such people? ....... well, I don’t like creating a website in Ukraine at your place and you can blaspheme our National Bolsheviks ... I personally will not mind.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 21 March 2013 23: 18
        0
        Natasha, most likely Anton was offended by the fact that many Russians on the site turn any manifestation of Ukrainian patriotism into nationalism.
        Or, they turn any Ukrainian into a nationalist.
        1. anton107798
          anton107798 21 March 2013 23: 53
          -2
          Skavron
          quite right
        2. queen
          queen 22 March 2013 07: 01
          +1
          Quote: Skavron
          Natasha, most likely

          Natalia and Natasha are different names)))) for unloading the glow smile
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 22 March 2013 10: 31
            -1
            Yes? I find myself in names I do not understand
        3. Mefodiy
          Mefodiy 22 March 2013 15: 08
          +2
          That's for sure, dear Skavron.
          And then there is a reciprocal, normal, usual reaction, when under "pressure", teachings, insults, etc. have to "fight back" ..
      2. queen
        queen 22 March 2013 06: 59
        +2
        Quote: Natalia
        well do not like create a website in Ukraine

        They need food, Basking here they have a quicker pulse. Resting in Crimea 08.08.08 This is a rabid herd with foam at the mouth, rushing along the beaches with its own and Georgian flags, and shouting that the Russian occupiers.)))) So what? Nothing. We did not succumb to these provocations, they were indifferent to us, their Tatars dispersed))))) business. laughing
  5. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 22 March 2013 06: 18
    +3
    Quote: regin
    Miserable, always offended. You should not pay attention to them, do not touch Mr. But, and will not stink.


    How did you simply appreciate them ... These are Enemies .. who are waging a real war against Russia and the Russian people ... notice not Russian, but specifically Russian .. how many of them are already in Ukraine ..! 0..20..40% ..who thought ... how many intoxicated people grew up over 20 years..and they are already in power..Ukrainian sites and portals are hard to read without irritation..What kind of union can there be ... until they themselves are cleansed of filth ... to crush economically no treaties and contracts, and Europe will teach them to love democracy ... Uncle Sam will also not leave concern ... Forward independent and free ...
    1. queen
      queen 22 March 2013 06: 40
      +2
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      These are Enemies .. who are waging a real war against Russia

      This can’t be called a war, because they can’t yell anymore outside their independence (Mlyn, some kind of prostitute word), but they’re not fools in Europe either. Although they will be 100%, we won’t change anything there, so why should we bother them to degrade?)))) and we will not give up Sevastopol, and they are unlikely to touch it, otherwise they will lose coercion to the world and Crimea))))) +
  • Jokervx
    Jokervx 21 March 2013 08: 23
    +5
    Their energy, yes, in a peaceful direction.
    1. queen
      queen 21 March 2013 08: 27
      +1
      All their energy comes from a green piece of paper.
    2. domokl
      domokl 21 March 2013 08: 53
      +8
      Quote: JokerVX
      energy, but in a peaceful direction.
      So far, their energy is only enough to fight against monuments and old front-line soldiers ... However, as the author correctly noted, the popularity of Natsik is growing by leaps and bounds and even in eastern Ukraine ... And that means that forces are growing
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 21 March 2013 09: 41
        -6
        it's just a reaction to the same ukroinizm, but moderate regionals lol
        1. sichevik
          sichevik 21 March 2013 11: 28
          0
          Muri from Ushkar-Yaila rule. Mori cats are the most yoshchkar cats in the world !!!
  • Gecko
    Gecko 21 March 2013 08: 26
    +5
    We will respond to politics with the economy, hit the pocket of those who insult the Russian nation. The Baltic states felt the full charm of Russia's sanctions. In Ukraine, if they do not calm down, everything will deteriorate further, they should not be under the illusion that we will bend under them in terms of the economy if they maintain the same rhetoric. The Russians do not forget anything, and the outskirts have long needed to understand that Ukraine and Russia are birds of different flight. Ukraine is not even a bird, it is a wing from a proud two-headed eagle.
    1. queen
      queen 21 March 2013 08: 35
      +2
      Quote: gecko
      We will respond to politics with the economy, hit the pocket of those who insult

      Nezya flies fly away laughing
    2. domokl
      domokl 21 March 2013 08: 57
      +2
      Quote: gecko
      The Russians do not forget anything, and the outskirts have long needed to understand that Ukraine and Russia are birds of different flight. Ukraine is not even a bird, it is a wing from a proud two-headed eagle.
      One of the rounds, following exactly this logic, we lost outright. I mean gas prices and Gazprom’s position.
      But the laws in the economy are completely different ... Russian and Ukrainian aligarchs get along very well and have business in both countries .. And serious business ... So economic sanctions at the state level are a blow to ordinary people and playing for a team of nationalists ...
      1. xan
        xan 21 March 2013 10: 31
        -4
        Quote: domokl
        So economic sanctions at the state level are a blow to ordinary people and a game for a team of nationalists ...

        or economic sanctions, or chewing snot
        everything else except war is also snot
    3. zao74
      zao74 21 March 2013 09: 48
      -3
      The wing for them is too much, so, feather.
    4. kostyan77708
      kostyan77708 21 March 2013 09: 54
      +1
      and Crimea to pick up! Urgently!
      1. The cat
        The cat 21 March 2013 15: 03
        0
        Quote: kostyan77708
        and Crimea to pick up! Urgently!

        So hesitate? Come, collect a couple of bags of Crimea. Look after a few years, part of Crimea is already yours.
    5. Andrey57
      Andrey57 21 March 2013 10: 05
      +5
      The other day, the Estonian minister tearfully asked the Minister of Transport of Russia to use the Estonian railways and the port for shipping coal, which now goes through the Luga laughing My personal opinion is not to use this option. When the "South Stream" is completed, then all the "ukroinstvuyuschie", which were invented by Count Pototsky and the Austrian general, will be quite fun hi
  • radio operator
    radio operator 21 March 2013 08: 34
    +3
    "Hence the quite obvious conclusion: radical nationalists should not be allowed close to power ..."
    A good summary of the article. It would be nice for the Ukrainian authorities to follow this advice.
  • domokl
    domokl 21 March 2013 08: 39
    +1
    The article is interesting ... Only I got the impression that it was written a few years later than it was necessary ... The author correctly assesses the prospects of Ukraine, but again, like most, she does not make any suggestions on how to change the situation.
    It seems to me that Ukraine, by signing agreements and treaties with NATO and the EU, is moving further and further away from historical unity with Russia and turning into a kind of Baltic ... Only the Baltic states successfully fit into the plans of Europe and the USA (economic stability helped), but Ukraine decided rush into the EU in a crisis ...
    I agree about the abyss-Ukraine is leaping toward self-destruction, and possibly to military action .. (in what form I don’t want to predict, there are too many friends-Ukrainians, and they are not to blame, they are victims) ...
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 21 March 2013 10: 11
      +8
      In fact, in terms of economics, the Baltics are full of booty - even a trace of their cool agriculture from the Soviet era is gone, all young people are leaving for Europe, in countries of complete desolation. As for Ukraine, it is not moving away from Russia, but simply galloping to the edge of the abyss and "to the Canadian border" they have less than a year left hi
      1. domokl
        domokl 21 March 2013 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Andrey57
        In fact, in the Baltic States in terms of economic full priest
        I didn’t speak about the Baltic economy, but about the EU economy ... At that time, the EU could afford to pay for the entry of the Baltic states .. Now there is no such possibility ..
      2. Georgs
        Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 16
        +1
        Quote: Andrey57
        Actually, in the Baltics, in terms of economics, it’s a complete priest - even from their cool agriculture from the time of the USSR there is no trace left, all young people are leaving for Europe, in countries completely deserted.

        Well I do not know! At the expense of "priests", in my opinion, some exaggeration. And at the expense of complete desolation too. Complete desolation is when the wolf packs stagger over the hailstones and rams, like in our dead villages. And our compatriots from the Baltics, oppressed non-citizens, are in no hurry to break back into the Fatherland.
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 21 March 2013 08: 42
    +7
    Hmm ... in the photo there are such inspired faces! One word ... parliamentarians of the freest party in Ukraine.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 21 March 2013 09: 06
      +4
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Hmm ... in the photo there are such inspired faces! One word ... parliamentarians of the freest party in Ukraine.

      We have no less such radiant persons in the Duma. wink
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 21 March 2013 09: 44
        17
        Quote: Vladimirets
        We have no less such radiant persons in the Duma

        Eugene, hi ! The thought of the thought:
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 21 March 2013 10: 24
          +1
          Victor, hi .
          good Eagles are just not enough there. wink
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 21 March 2013 09: 05
    +4
    Soon this abscess will have to be etched off the face of the earth.
  • avt
    avt 21 March 2013 09: 26
    +3
    “Hence the quite obvious conclusion: radical nationalists should not be allowed close to power ...” ---------- It's really too late to drink Borjomi ........
    Quote: domokl
    Only I got the impression that it was written a few years later than necessary ...

    Just to clarify - not a decade, but a decade. You might think Kravchuk was a dove internationalist. request
    Quote: domokl
    It seems to me that Ukraine, by signing agreements and treaties with NATO and the EU, is farther and farther away from historical unity with Russia

    Do not you think the completely meaningful policy of ALL the leader of Ukraine, starting with Gorbachev.
    Quote: domokl
    Ukraine is leaping toward self-destruction

    request The blind lead the blind, and Russia will again be to blame.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 21 March 2013 10: 14
      +6
      No, they always have a sweet couple to blame - "Zhi_dy and mos_ka_li" bully
      1. Georgs
        Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 19
        +2
        Quote: Andrey57
        No, they always have a sweet couple to blame - "Zhi_dy and mos_ka_li"

        Well, so, and it is known!
  • Per se.
    Per se. 21 March 2013 09: 27
    +3
    "Hence the quite obvious conclusion: radical nationalists should not be allowed to come close to power ...", only, someone generously finances this GMO product, which is spreading by a cancerous tumor across Ukraine. I disagree with the fact that this is an internal affair of Ukraine, if we consider that Kievan Rus is our historical Motherland, with which Orthodoxy went to all Russian lands. We must fight for Ukraine by all possible means, up to the Anschluss.
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 March 2013 09: 39
      +7
      Quote: Per se.
      We must fight for Ukraine by all possible means, up to the Anschluss.
      In Ukraine, exactly the same people live as we are ... There are our friends, there are our enemies ... Everything is like ours ...
      Nobody says that we should not give a damn about Ukraine. The conversation that Ukrainians themselves must decide what and how they want ... All talk about unity and other roots is broken down on the results of the parliamentary elections and orange speeches ...
      We don’t like it, but it’s the choice of the Ukrainians ... The task now is not to clatter automatically, but to prove to the people that being with Russia is better than with Europe in the EU
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 21 March 2013 09: 55
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        All talk of unity and other roots is broken about the results of the elections to the Rada and the orange speeches ...
        That’s why they break up, dear domokl, because we have a complete liability for this. Why is the Yankee Britons and their offspring the Yankees all about it? It’s not necessary to clatter with an automatic machine, but also with its beak, it’s Russian land, Russians, ours live there. Without the unification of Russian lands, a great country cannot be revived. We must be more active - to agitate, to buy, for that matter. Under a lying stone, as you know, water does not flow, so we all profucuy, and in Russia itself.
        1. domokl
          domokl 21 March 2013 10: 22
          0
          Quote: Per se.
          that’s why they break up, dear domokl, because we have a complete liability for this.

          Do you really think that Ukraine does not have the right to be independent? We, just because the EBN gave us Putin as a president smarter? We were exactly the same ... Beautiful slogans and screams about Slavic roots, honestly, they already filled such a soreness that already sick ... There are roots, and Kievan Rus was, but ... for more than 20 years Ukraine and Ukrainians have been constantly demanding something from us, something they are not happy with, they put ultimatums like a gas war ...
          Maybe you want to go to Ukrainian land and attach them to Russia with fire and sword? And what option is quite feasible, given the state of affairs in the Armed Forces ... Only this will be a fratricidal war ...
          So your proposal is not logical ... They and only they themselves will be able to become a people and a country..And what kind of..it’s not yet clear, but there is progress, an appendage to the EU and NATO
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 21 March 2013 13: 41
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            Do you really think that Ukraine does not have the right to be independent?
            Of course, Ukraine has the right to be independent or dependent. The question, after all, is not about that, no need to juggle, otherwise what are we talking about here, then let there be these guys who hate Russia, let them come to power. Yes, Russia has its own interests, and Ukraine is precisely the interest that is archival. It is not all the same what is happening in Ukraine, it is not all the same which course it takes. There are no pro-Russian parties there? We must create and finance! The necessary politicians, the necessary opinions and sentiments, the goal is to get an ally, not a Bandera shortfall. Here, domokl, we are talking about. The Anschluss does not necessarily mean the introduction of troops, it can be a funded referendum, an opinion created, the support of the people of Ukraine. This is what we must fight for. As Mayakovsky's temples are knocking - "In four years, there will be a garden city!", So in Ukraine, everyone to the bone marrow, with pulsating veins, should beat in the heart that he is first RUSSIAN, and only then Ukrainian , Siberian or Uralets. that a united Russia is needed for a better life, a better life. We must believe in this and strive for this. As for the civil war, we have already lost as much without it as the war does not take away, and we will lose even more if we lose Kiev, the historical heart of Russia.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 50
              0
              Quote: Per se.
              united Russia is needed for a better life, a better life.

              Per se.
              I don’t want to live in Russia, I want to live in Ukraine. I do not want unification; I want the usual sane friendly policy between our states.
              I fully support the fact that Ukraine simply needs an organization that would oppose nationalists.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 21 March 2013 14: 25
                +5
                Quote: Skavron
                I don’t want to live in Russia, I want to live in Ukraine

                So for God's sake, Skavron, you live in Ukraine, happily ever after. Do you think that if an alliance takes place, everything Ukrainian will be banned? You will not lose anything, only gain. It is a pity that at one time the Bolsheviks divided Russia for the sake of political considerations. If the new Union takes place, it would probably be right to make Kiev its capital. In Belovezhskaya Pushcha, the Soviet Union was "abolished" by three drunks, from Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. Us and revive it.
      2. xan
        xan 21 March 2013 10: 36
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        All talk of unity and other roots is broken about the results of the elections to the Rada and the orange speeches ...

        there are no Russian parties there, Misanthrope from Ukraine wrote about it well
        but if there were, then we would still look
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 21 March 2013 17: 18
          +3
          There are no Russian parties, but there are Russian and even Soviet people.
          Wide estuaries, drooping chestnuts and the quiet, mournful rustle of lowered banners.
          In deep silence, without trumpets and drums, the Soviet battalion leaves Odessa.
          I wanted to lie down, to cover my native stones of the pavement with my body.
          For the first time I wanted to cry ... But ....
          Wide estuaries, flowering chestnuts will hear again the rustling of unfurled banners.
          When he enters back, gait hammered, into the beautiful Odessa guard battalion.
          And dropping roses to the earth as a sign of his return, Odessa could not hold back her tears,
          But no one here said anything.
      3. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 21 March 2013 10: 54
        +2
        [quote = domokl] [quote = Per se.] We must fight for Ukraine

        , and to prove to the people that being with Russia is better than with Europe in the EU [/ quote]

        Here it begs: ".... so we already do not mind!"
        Tell me how? How can you prove to someone who initially does not want to listen, moreover, he hates you?

        How to quickly uproot what was grafted for decades, or even centuries?
        1. zao74
          zao74 21 March 2013 14: 31
          +1
          Hates a handful, but unfortunately they are in power.
      4. Georgs
        Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 24
        0
        Quote: domokl
        The task now is not to clatter automatically, but to prove to the people that being with Russia is better than with Europe in the EU

        Who? Who will prove it? Is there at least one decent politician intelligible, flexible, and most importantly - smart? So far, it looks like sheer misery, but here it is a delicate matter, as in the East.
        1. xan
          xan 21 March 2013 16: 41
          -2
          Quote: GeorGS
          Who? Who will prove it?


          What kind of snot? To whom and what is there to prove? In order to prove something, it is necessary to live inside Russia as in Europe, only without its disadvantages. But if we achieve this, why do we need Ukrainian freeloaders?
      5. Polytechnic
        Polytechnic 21 March 2013 14: 23
        +3
        Orange speeches are almost all paid, we have a lot of people advocating reunification or at least rapprochement with Russia, but they are silent. It seems as if Ukraine wants everything in the EU, it’s not so, just as usual, whoever shouts louder is heard.
  • 955535
    955535 21 March 2013 09: 33
    16
    Sober-minded Ukrainians, of whom there are many, are very ironic about nationalism and chauvinism:

    Morkva on the city
    At the bjola garden.
    Toad in the swamps
    Krila has blossomed.

    Want to fly
    Quiet as if "Qua!"
    Ale to the sky
    Not yes Moscow.

    Know, know the tricks
    Swear moskaly
    Those who want to repeat
    Toads are kings.

    Scho, having cast krill,
    Mov greenery ptah,
    Tsiliy day soared b
    Toad in the sky.

    What could I have done
    Navigate to the Zero,
    Having adjusted Literati
    Toad green God.

    Ales trimaє,
    Get heavier to the grass.
    Toad surely knows -
    That is the hand of Moscow.

    Fingers in it,
    They took the yak.
    And trims for the eggs
    Toad moskaly

    It seems that you don’t need it.
    It seems: "Ty lino".
    Ale look into the sky
    Toad is all one.

    I want to pass
    Qi
    Dosi to make toad
    Russian psi.

    Godi, damn the bitch,
    "Zolota Moscow",
    Toad hasn’t died yet
    Toad is still alive!

    Toad Porin
    To the blue,
    Bo nemaє nini
    More beautiful than toads!

    laughing
    1. Georgs
      Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 26
      0
      Familiar, familiar little thing!
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 21 March 2013 18: 59
      +2
      Quote: 955535
      Sober-minded Ukrainians, of whom there are many, are very ironic about nationalism and chauvinism

      Sonny to mom "Mamo, why is it cold in our hut? - Bo, son, do not love us moskaly, they don’t give us gas! - Mamo, why is there nothing in us?” - Bo damn
      moskaly ne to love us, to gas ne give! -Pause ...- Mamo, and why in the maine are the sisters of the chi brother nemae? - Bo I etobi vzhe 100 times showed-to curse moskaly we do not love ...! " laughing
  • amp
    amp 21 March 2013 09: 34
    10
    The future of Ukraine is undoubtedly a collapse.
    Ukraine within its current borders is an artificial education, west and east will never be able to get along in one state.
    The best thing for Ukraine is to divide into 2 or more states. It will happen sooner or later. The question is how it will happen - peacefully as in Czechoslovakia or by war as in Yugoslavia.
    After the collapse of Ukraine, I think the east will go to integration with Russia, and the west will be isolated. He is not needed in the EU; he will not want to have affairs with Russia himself.
    In general, we quickly build the southern stream, until the circus began there.
    1. Georgs
      Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: amp
      The future of Ukraine is undoubtedly a collapse.
      Ukraine within its current borders is an artificial education, west and east will never be able to get along in one state.
      The best thing for Ukraine is to divide into 2 or more states. It will happen sooner or later. The question is how it will happen - peacefully as in Czechoslovakia or by war as in Yugoslavia.
      After the collapse of Ukraine, I think the east will go to integration with Russia, and the west will be isolated. He is not needed in the EU; he will not want to have affairs with Russia himself.
      In general, we quickly build the southern stream, until the circus began there.

      No, you should not be so categorical. First, time will tell. And secondly, to wish for the collapse of the neighbor’s house is completely worthless. Not only is this desire sinful (no matter how beneficial and desirable it is for someone), it is also a terrible shock for any country and trouble for its citizens. And wish the brothers blood troubles ... Well, I don’t know ...
      1. amp
        amp 21 March 2013 12: 44
        +6
        Well, not all blood brothers are there. I personally do not intend to fraternize with Bandera.
      2. gora1960
        gora1960 April 12 2013 07: 31
        -1
        The dog barks, the caravan goes. It would be better if money from the South Stream was spent on weapons. A shame.
    2. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 12: 47
      0
      amp
      because of people like you, Ukrainian nationalists and Russophobes appear
      for example, I don’t call and do not prophesy a split in Russia ...
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 21 March 2013 13: 21
        +5
        Quote: Skavron
        amp here because of people like you, Ukrainian nationalists and Russophobia appear, for example, I do not call and do not prophesy a split in Russia ...

        Let me give you the title of one of today's articles.
        UPA veterans in Lviv doubled their pension increase

        Similar articles appear almost daily. therefore amp right, what fraternities with unfinished fascists can we talk about if they shot my grandfathers in the back with their caches?
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 45
          -2
          Quote: Garrin
          Therefore amp is right

          What is right?
          In that which calls for a split and disorder in a sovereign state ???
          Why riots? Because they will begin if Ukraine splits.
          So you read carefully, and do not distort.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 21 March 2013 13: 53
            +3
            In the comments it is forbidden: insult and threats, obscenities, inciting ethnic hatred
            Quote: Skavron
            What is right?

            In his message, I did not see calls for a split. And right in that:
            I personally do not intend to fraternize with Bandera.

            And in this I will fully support him.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 21 March 2013 14: 40
              -2
              Quote: amp
              The best thing for Ukraine is to divide into 2 or more states.

              And this?
          2. amp
            amp 21 March 2013 15: 58
            +2
            Not called, but predicted
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 21 March 2013 16: 38
              -2
              such forecasts are very similar to veiled calls
              we are not here in kindergarten ... we can read between the lines
  • Alexej.Taran
    Alexej.Taran 21 March 2013 09: 35
    +5
    I believe that Western (American) propaganda simply made biomass out of the population of the western regions that is not able to use their own brains, and the oppositionist representatives of power have long been not representing any national interests standing in support of the US State Department. For Yanukovych, I generally keep quiet And all the current situation It is aimed at destabilizing the situation inside the country, in this way creating another hotbed of instability in the world and at the borders with Russia and justifying the economic failures caused by years of tearing of state funds.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 21 March 2013 11: 53
      +3
      Ominous landmark of Western Ukraine. (Leaflet of the SS Division "Galicia". Image is clickable)
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 21 March 2013 09: 38
    +6
    Hello everyone, comrades, gentlemen, pani and panov! Alive in Ukraine 17 rock. And all these 17 years, this circus has been watching. These guys really do not want to work for the good of their country. I do not argue, in our Duma, passions are also boiling. I agree, not everything is perfect in parliament. But our comrades, at least do something to improve the lives of citizens of our big country!
    Now I have been living in Russia for over 7 years. And at the moment, everything suits me.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 21 March 2013 09: 59
      +8
      Quote: LaGlobal
      These guys really do not want to work for the good of their country.

      You're right! BP has worked only 100 out of 8 working days! But I believe that all these are the games of our top. They wanted to make a horror story for the people - "You will not support us, the fascists will come to power" - but the guys started playing. Painfully nimble "kids" were. Now I'll post an article on the latest "surprises", and draw your own conclusions.
      A subtle message about the creation in Kharkov of an initiative group to hold a referendum stirred up the Verkhovna Rada. The opposition has spoken about this publicly, but the majority are unlikely to remain calm: the topic of a potential referendum is parliamentary reform. The little-known public organization "Unified Social Network" (the opposition rejects it and says, it says Bankovaya is behind it) invites the people to solve four issues: the dissolution of the current Rada and its transformation into a bicameral (with a reduction in the number of deputies), the election of people's deputies only in majoritarian districts and the deprivation of their immunity.
      The topic of the referendum is not new: 13 years ago, Ukrainians already voted on these issues after the popular initiative and the decree of Leonid Kuchma (they voted in favor, but the results were not implemented). However, Kuchma was not the first - back in 1993, Boris Yeltsin dissolved the Supreme Council of Russia and, through a constitutional amendment in a referendum, turned it into a bicameral State Duma. The goal in all cases was the same: taming the too obstinate parliament. But the difference is that Yeltsin and Kuchma did not have legal ways to implement their initiative without parliament, and Viktor Yanukovych has it - the law on the all-Ukrainian referendum.
      All news feeds were full of statements about this law yesterday. Although he himself was adopted on November 6 by the previous convocation of BP, the "smell of fried" was really smelled only now after the Kharkov initiative. They smelled not only here, but also in Europe: the Venice Commission yesterday suddenly expressed concern about the law adopted four months ago and promised to consider it on June 14. But by that time a referendum could already be scheduled!
      Realizing that the fate of the parliament is of little interest to the people (moreover, he will only be happy to deprive the deputies of their immunity and reduce their number), the opposition highlights other aspects of the potential referendum. “The only thing we have today is the strength and unity of the country that they want to destroy. Fortunately, we do not have interethnic conflicts, therefore it is this referendum that will strike a blow to the unity of Ukraine, ”said Mykola Tomenko, People's Deputy from the Fatherland. He makes such a conclusion from the possibility of introducing the upper house of parliament, composed of representatives of the regions, which, according to the deputy, is the actual federalization of the country.
      “All these considerations are contrived,” said Mikhail Chechetov, first deputy chairman of the Party of Regions faction. - In fact, this is one thing: the opposition fears that its destructive position, its lack of culture and rudeness will lead people to the idea of ​​the need to disperse 450 loafers and elect those who want to pass the laws necessary for the country to the parliament. And the subconscious fear that parliamentary activity may end there, makes the opposition take up arms against the right of the people to decide their fate. ”(To be continued)
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 21 March 2013 11: 19
        +4
        Fidget! I will add from myself. These children, who are in BP, have forgotten what patriotism is, what is love for the motherland and the happiness of the people.
        Perhaps this will stop. But who knows how much more time should pass ...
      2. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 21 March 2013 11: 23
        +4
        Honestly, I don’t even know who it is possible to choose as the new president there ?! Yulka is a criminal bitch (at least one right decision was made by Yanukovych at his post). Yanukovych himself-has lost the confidence of the people.
        Waiting for comments and answers =)
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 21 March 2013 12: 49
          +3
          Quote: LaGlobal
          who can I choose now

          NO ONE !!!
          1. Quit
            Quit 21 March 2013 13: 28
            -4
            Quote: Skavron
            Quote: LaGlobal
            who can I choose now

            NO ONE !!!


            Well, why nobody? Choose Poroshenko, an absolutely sane and pragmatic politician, a billionaire. A completely compromise figure. Yes, there will be no Taiga Union, but there will also be no thoughtless race for the EU. There will only be a pragmatic economy, without snot about fraternity. It’s in good contact with by the Russian leadership and with the EU. Vaughn recently bought 10 thousand dozens of VAZ cars, albeit at the price of trash. The economy will grow, and political interaction will grow, and not like now telling each other how much a pack of margarine in this life.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 42
              -1
              We are all pragmatic billionaires
              1. Quit
                Quit 21 March 2013 14: 00
                -1
                Quote: Skavron
                We are all pragmatic billionaires


                And they are pragmatic all over the world, only this one still has a conscience.
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron 21 March 2013 14: 40
                  +2
                  I don’t know, to be honest. I personally never liked him.
                  IMHO
                  1. Quit
                    Quit 21 March 2013 16: 58
                    -2
                    Quote: Skavron
                    I don’t know, to be honest. I personally never liked him.
                    IMHO

                    I know him, that’s why I’m talking. I need an effective person who can agree equally calmly with a simple hard worker and with any oligarch. He understands well what the state machine is and that in any modern country any country has no friends, there is only a balance of interests .
                    1. Skavron
                      Skavron 21 March 2013 17: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: Quit
                      I know him, that's why I say

                      If you are familiar, then you might say:
                      - Will Mr. Poroshenko act in the interests of the state?
                      -Will he put the interests of the state above his own business interests?
                      - Will he be able to break corruption schemes and thereby save billions of hryvnias of the state budget?
                      - Is it possible for Poroshenko’s enterprises to sell something without a pullback and personal ties, through an open tender?
                      If yes, then I will support
                      1. Quit
                        Quit 21 March 2013 17: 56
                        -1
                        Skavron

                        Try not to poke around. What you are asking about, questions from the category of "possible". I am used to talking only about what I know personally, and therefore I will answer about what has already happened. Poroshenko's holding is a few vertically integrated companies doing business and accounting according to ISO standards, which undergo international audit at least once a year. Companies are listed on IPOs, if you know, they also need transparent accounting. This is the issue of kickbacks and tenders.
                        I can’t say that state interests have suffered from his activities, I see that his agricultural and confectionery business is very successful, but there are no subsidies there. He does not return tax to him, like everyone else. Not a single factory is abandoned, of those that he bought, salaries are paid in white everywhere with him. He paid the most taxes to the state budget for his industry, more than 400 million UAH.
                        Regarding corruption: full transparency of the budget and mandatory annual audit, maximization of work on ISO, deprivation of the official permissive functions.
                      2. Skavron
                        Skavron 21 March 2013 18: 43
                        +1
                        Thanks for the information.
                        Quote: Quit
                        Try not to poke

                        Well, excuse me. Weaned in the network from such formalities. I didn’t want to insult.
                      3. Kaa
                        Kaa 21 March 2013 19: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Quit
                        Poroshenko is a few vertically integrated companies that conduct business and accounting according to ISO standards, at least once a year undergoing an international audit

                        Yeah, and now about these companies in more detail, too ... I know the topic firsthand. After the collapse of collective farms in Central Ukraine, Anty companies themselves work, in particular, according to the scheme: 5-6 collective farms (soldered) are processed by one team with leased American equipment. A total of 30 people work in the field. The remaining several hundred are registered in the nearest regional center as unemployed (so that they have enough for a snack, and they drive "samzhen" themselves) - this is the "prosperity" of several thousand people - the principle of latifundia. On shares - they are calculated in such a way that all this would be funny ... if not for the need to somehow survive. Here is such an "effective owner". By the way, the "patriot" to the bone - this "chocolate hare" has already taken a significant part of his "sweet empire" to Russia and Germany.
                      4. Skavron
                        Skavron 21 March 2013 20: 32
                        0
                        yeah ... and here's another comment "against" ... interesting
                      5. Quit
                        Quit 21 March 2013 21: 10
                        +1
                        Kaa,

                        Well, if not by hearsay, then first delve into the question of where the agricultural enterprise owned by Poroshenko is located, and then we will talk specifically, so that they don't get caught up in it, as is customary here. You are clearly not in the subject: now the biggest problem is people, there is no one to work Renting land is a huge problem, and people always have a choice to give their share to. The price for a share is determined by the market and depends on the region. You, apparently, have never been to Kiev: the huge Roshen factory is flourishing and expanding, business in Russia is the purchased and operating Likonf factory in Lipetsk, there are also three factories in Europe. Although Roshen's capacity is enough to close exports, restrictions for foreign suppliers force them to buy factories in other countries. Roshen "in Kiev there are free weekly excursions, for those who want to see what modern confectionery production in Ukraine is for an effective hazyain.
                      6. Kaa
                        Kaa 22 March 2013 03: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Quit
                        You are clearly not in the subject: now the biggest problem is people, there is no one to work with.

                        My dear, do not judge all by yourself. In my life, I am ALWAYS responsible for my words, here on the site no one has ever convicted me of lies or insinuations, and where I do not have information, I just am silent and do not print anything - do not torture Claudia and you
                        Quote: Quit
                        You apparently have never been to Kiev

                        What did you use so fancy for the evening? In it I spend a week at least ... at work, and not at parties, but where some issues are resolved, rather than PR and empty calls. I ask you, be prudent in statements. hi
                      7. Quit
                        Quit 22 March 2013 11: 45
                        0
                        Kaa,

                        I don’t belong to reptiles, therefore, I don’t judge people in Ukraine and I don’t chase, like you for cheap virtual epaulets. they didn’t start. And the fact that you, after reading the Internet here, telling well-known things, doesn’t make you smarter. You consume in the evenings, you see, otherwise you feel like writing sheets here, you consider yourself an educator. A person who is engaged in business knows how to express his thoughts briefly, but specifically. What and where you decide there, one thing you know: a person who really knows something will not talk about it.
              2. Luna
                Luna 22 March 2013 00: 58
                0
                Quote: Skavron

                - Will Mr. Poroshenko act in the interests of the state?
                -Will he put the interests of the state above his own business interests?

                And then wink

                When Poroshenko's son was vice-consul in China, the Chinese wondered for a long time why all his conversations began and ended with Roshen sweets.
              3. Good man
                Good man 22 March 2013 01: 27
                0
                Quote: Luna
                When Poroshenko's son was vice-consul in China, the Chinese wondered for a long time why all his conversations began and ended with Roshen sweets.

                Roshen sweets are still sold in Shanghai - verified.
              4. Skavron
                Skavron 22 March 2013 10: 35
                +1
                Quote: Good man
                Roshen sweets are still sold in Shanghai - verified.

                Well, I must admit, sweets are still good)
                In MSC I drive as a hotel.
                They say that ours are better than those made in Russia ...
            2. Skavron
              Skavron 22 March 2013 10: 34
              0
              Oops, where are the details from? )))))))))
  • Natalia
    Natalia 21 March 2013 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: Quit
    pragmatic billionaire politician.

    ..... and from what they should not be pragmatists, only Ukraine will never become absolutely independent, it will have to depend on someone ...... neither any independence, nor any gag ..... with whom?
    The EU - here it is necessary to mean not only Europe, but the entire western camp, led by the United States ..... and this is a strictly anti-Russian course.
    Russia is, accordingly, an eastern camp with its own rules and requests .... yes, I will not make any illusions, it is with its own rules and interests .... Russia will advance its geopolitical plans, as well as its opponents .... yes for often at the expense of other countries, well these are my dear BIG geopolitics (because I haven’t believed in fraternity with Ukraine for a long time), if it was possible with someone like Brotherhood that it has already been formed and you can work in this direction only with Belarus and Kazakhstan (to create the so-called Brotherhood is not something, so we consulted and we decided to be brothers ...... the creation of such a brotherhood is not even two or three years old, it is mutual cooperation for a decade ... .and we have probably not seen such cooperation with Ukraine since the 90s)

    Here, as they say, who is closer. I think Ukraine is better off being with Russia, we still have relatives in common, the history of dy and, in general, we are closer genetic. But if you don’t want to go under the Muscovites, then you can choose the adjacent side.

    But you have to choose.
    And if Ukraine plays independence, it will be torn into exactly two parts, as someone has already said about it .... here it is to the West, which will build its relations with the EU, etc. and the east which will build its relations with Russia.

    I mean that there are no independents in the world, because someone has thought of Ukraine at the expense of oil shale ..... this is someone's political decision ..... but certainly not the Ukrainian government.
    P.E. to the government of Ukraine, I think it’s necessary to make a strong-willed decision and to FINALLY take at least some side, finally ...
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 17: 17
      +5
      Quote: Natalia
      Ukraine will never become absolutely independent,

      I will say more ...
      without exception, all countries depend on someone. Including Russia
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 21 March 2013 17: 33
        0
        Quote: Skavron
        without exception, all countries depend on someone.

        .... and I will also tell you much more, and America also depends, depends on the interests and ambitions of other countries. The only question is who and where has more influence ..... but both have to reckon with each other, from time to time. And the interests of more powerful states absorb the smaller interests of other states ...... it was and will be.
    2. Natalia
      Natalia 21 March 2013 17: 24
      +1
      Yanukovych’s mistake is that he is trying to play independence ..... and he doesn’t succeed. And looking at what he cannot do, he decides to bend .... but where to bend?

      On the one hand, the EU takes out with its Yulia Tymoshenko .... working with them means repainting themselves in orange, Bandera is a hero, long live the civilized world with gay marriage Western democracy.

      On the other hand, these Russians, with their Customs Union and diversification of gas pipelines ..... if you work with them, that means the Russians will steer everything, buy the gas transportation system, and again they will command from the Kremlin.
      1. Quit
        Quit 21 March 2013 18: 11
        +1
        Nataliya,

        He doesn’t play anything: he stupidly cuts loot and knocks down those who want something from him, realizing that any choice is a deepening of the split, and therefore does not want to move anywhere. He has something to lose, which means his own His interest will always prevail.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 21 March 2013 20: 01
          +1
          Quote: Quit
          He has something to lose, which means that his own interest will always prevail.

          He is trying to whiten everyone that he is an independent president, but he will not succeed, there are no independent ..... Ukraine is part of big geopolitics, pa will have to take either side ....
          1. Quit
            Quit 21 March 2013 20: 47
            +1
            Nataliya ,

            But with a fright, he is not trying to convince anyone of anything: this audience does not play long games, only its own gain. They do not give a damn about the EU, the Russian Federation, or the States. They will continue to play thimbles. The only way they can be scammed is by blocking funds, because, unlike Lukashenko, they are used to travel freely around the world, and not just to Sochi or Cuba.
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 21 March 2013 22: 20
              0
              Quote: Quit
              But with a fright, he is not trying to convince anyone of anything: this audience does not play long games, only their own gain. They do not give a damn about the EU, the Russian Federation, or the States.

              Yanukovych has already twitched ..... in vain did he fly to Europe to the EU president, the course towards Euro-integration, shale gas are all things ...... Yanukovych understands that you have to be accommodating, and be sure to be friends with someone otherwise they’ll just gobble up, not just one fig, not all of him being president ....... suppose the Orangemen take the initiative again, they’re just very friendly with the West, Yanukovych’s drain, yeah .... . Tymoshenko closed? closed .... well, my dear, you got hooked, collect the dummies in The Hague, the camera was freed for you ..... so no one canceled this situation, if Yanukovych doesn’t choose the side by the end of his term, I’m sure it will be closed ........
              If Russia does not make friends for him, no one will put in a word.
              If he doesn’t make friends with the EU, all the more ....... and by the way, for the Tymoshenko, the EU members are still sleeping and see how to pair him. But just so that they do not touch him after the presidency, he now needs to bend affiguously, and the shale gimp, I think this is a pathetic attempt to do just that ....... But he is somehow cold towards Russia ..... yes it’s not really offensive to me, if only they didn’t put his fool for his tricks, but they would send me anyway somehow in PARALLEL ...... I’d just lighten him to start doing something, time is ticking, act MANIA!
            2. Skavron
              Skavron 21 March 2013 23: 24
              +3
              Natalia, I think Yanukovych and Putin have long been all outlined in general terms. Now is the most common bargain.
              You know how it happens ... an oral agreement is reached, but the clauses of the agreement are not satisfactory for everyone.
              They simply will not inform us and will not tell us the details.
            3. Natalia
              Natalia 22 March 2013 09: 23
              -2
              Quote: Skavron
              I think Yanukovych and Putin have long been all outlined in general terms.

              Well, of course, they made a reservation, and all for a long time decided for themselves:
              Putin:
              - This couple of Yanukovych fools around, you see the Customs Union does not suit him.
              Yanukovych:
              - Putin probably holds me for an idiot, he decided to steer us, now we’ll get shale gas right now, then we'll see who is who.

              Here are some such items and do not suit them ..... lol
            4. Skavron
              Skavron 22 March 2013 10: 37
              -1
              Quote: Natalia
              Here are some such items and do not suit them .....

              )))))))))))))))
              I don’t want to pass for a prophet, but look ... they’ll decide on the GTS, and we won’t enter the TS, and they will give a gas discount .... just in return? We will not know ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 March 2013 17: 10
    +2
    Quote: Quit
    Poroshenko is an absolutely sane and pragmatic billionaire politician

    "Poroshenko is one of the richest Ukrainians. He was an active participant in the Orange Revolution. He served as Minister of Foreign Affairs in the second government of Yulia Tymoshenko. Poroshenko has a long-standing relationship with ex-President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko - a businessman is his godfather. Well, why does a millionaire need a portfolio of minister ? "
    http://operkor.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%
    BD%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%B
    B-%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB-%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B5/

    Only he was not enough for the presidency! Kuma-Yuscha will immediately call, and everything will rush from the beginning! By the way, he is not very happy with his current position. I wanted to be finance minister - but they didn’t let me! so "We will look for something like that, but without wings"
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 18: 44
      0
      Quit, but your opposite opinion)
    2. Quit
      Quit 21 March 2013 18: 48
      -1
      Fidget,

      What you read on the Internet is not always different from the inscriptions on the fences. We have all of Ukraine either orange or white-blue, with small interspersed red-brown. And even godfathers to each other have completely opposite personalities in political terms -This doesn’t mean anything today. For example, the Starodonets (Rybak, Zvyagilsky) are well aware that Poroshenko had a hand in creating a party of regions, and he has long-standing close contacts with SDP (o) with Medvedchuk (Putin’s godfather), They do not spill water at all for Azarov. And Yushchenko did an invaluable service for Yanukovych to become president — note that all claims are to Yulia. So far from always being on the surface is something worth paying attention to.
      By the way, regarding the posts. He was offered a seat in the Cabinet and after the elections even higher than the Minister of Finance, but he will not sit on Azarov.
  • zao74
    zao74 21 March 2013 09: 53
    +6
    A couple of days ago there was a massacre in the Rada, due to the use of the Russian language. Even a woman fought with men on an equal footing. Although ... what woman, what men? The authorities are not able to control themselves. However, we have many of these.
    1. zao74
      zao74 21 March 2013 11: 10
      +1
      The word "cattle" was removed from the commentary and the text lost half of its meaning.
    2. ebrd
      ebrd 21 March 2013 13: 13
      +2
      ZAO74 ..... in the Rada, the carnage was .... so it's just wonderful! ... I always enjoy watching the deputies of the Ukrainian BP mutate each other .. looking at this, it can even reach some part of the voters, ,, whom in fact they have chosen, and what essentially is the Ukrainian homegrown ,, elite ,, for similar, acts ,, 15 days must be given and a broom in hand ... lawmakers ...
  • TAGIR
    TAGIR 21 March 2013 09: 59
    +2
    If the Zapadents win, they will drag all Ukraine into the EU closer to the abyss. As a result, impoverished Ukraine will come to Russia in 10-15 years. Well, if the Novorossians win (for this it is necessary to rebel in the spring), then Ukraine will join the Customs Union, and the zapadents will rebel and rather roll away and declare themselves Real Ukraine. A woman with a cart ... Even in Soviet times it was difficult to control everything Bandera
  • 120352
    120352 21 March 2013 09: 59
    +5
    Actually, he always laughs merrily at this phenomenon: "Ukrainian nationalism." But somehow I came to a friend with a Little Russian surname, with whom they had previously worked together in a Russian school in Ukraine, and he slowly showed me a history textbook. Here it was no laughing matter! The authors of this tome have clear signs of paranoia. We all know where the legs of this phenomenon grow from. It is enough to read the historical anecdotes of Grushevsky, at which all his contemporaries-historians laughed at.
    But now my head has cooled down and I want to say: "Hey, Ukraine, girl! Aren't you out for a walk? Isn't it time to go home, to Russia"!
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 March 2013 09: 59
    +4
    “The denouement will be before the presidential election”
    Political analyst Vadim Karasev considers the referendum on the dissolution and reform of the parliament a realistic but dangerous scenario: “The government has virtually no way to cope with the current parliament, except for the dissolution or referendum. The referendum will completely turn the political board over, but the authorities need it, since the current political landscape is dangerous for it. Everything is heading towards a denouement, and it will be before the presidential election, possibly this fall. An opposition referendum is not profitable - it has no chance to win, but it has another lever - to try to raise the people to revolt. The authorities will not succeed in conducting everything as calmly as Kuchma’s in 2000 — the administrative vertical has rotted, and the opposition will have enough resources to block the referendum in the western regions. And this will be enough to cast doubt on its legitimacy. ”
    Interestingly, the opposition is already heating up its voters with statements that a referendum on the Parliament will be followed by a referendum on joining the Customs Union.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Politolog-Referendum-po-rospusku-parlamenta-reale
    n.html
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 March 2013 10: 33
      +2
      Very competent commentary. Thank you Elena. I would have adjusted the logic a little. Now it’s profitable for the opposition to rock the boat. They demonstrate this by their behavior in the Parliament and on the streets. Only the strike should be delivered not against the Parliament, but precisely against the president ... Any bucha regarding the president will deprive him of real power ... There will be a purely exhibition option.
      Rada, as we see, is being blocked quite successfully by the deputies already there.
      And hereafter, according to the old scenario of the Orange Revolution ... And conversations about the referendum on the Customs Union are also important ... The question can be posed on the so-called the female pattern (like, dear, am I getting fat?) when any answer is for what the opposition needs
    2. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 12: 55
      +1
      Elena, well, raising the people won't work either ...
      Against who? Against the president? Or, guided by such slogans, against the southeast? So we do not have nationalism in honor. People will not support.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 21 March 2013 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: Skavron
        So we do not have nationalism in honor. People will not support.

        You have it not in honor. But if a gang with weapons in the literal sense of the word comes, will people stand up? Or will they be scared and will be "every man for himself"? Svobodists are well organized, but there is no organization on the part of those who are against them.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 21
          +3
          Quote: Egoza
          will people get up?

          I think yes.
          I am for sure! My friends - for the most part, yes too!
          But to be honest, it is necessary to organize anti-fascist unification. I was on the site of the antifa of Ukraine, but I really didn’t understand anything. There is no ideology, no clear goals and objectives. Therefore, it is not popular.
  • воронов
    воронов 21 March 2013 10: 06
    +2
    Reclaiming the nezalezhniki, tearing apart Ukraine as in the 19 century Poland
  • Gari
    Gari 21 March 2013 10: 15
    +2
    Independence does not always bring happiness. Just as democracy does not always bring peace
    According to Brzezinski, "without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire." And this is important. Both for Russia and Ukraine, and for the West, which is expanding into Eurasia according to the precepts of Halford Mackinder. And it is precisely its geopolitical significance that deprives Ukraine of the possibility of independent development. She, one way or another, falls into someone's sphere of influence.
    Moreover, the most densely populated areas of the country are precisely pro-Russian, unlike the depopulation western regions. Being in mutual antagonism, both parts are even more critical of the government, which, in addition to the interests of its oligarchic families, does not even try to defend anyone else's interests, oligopolistic tumbling of what is still valuable from the USSR. Because of this, they are in no hurry to take a course in any integration associations that make it impossible to devastate the country with impunity.
    Who cares can read on this link
    http://www.megapressa.ru/ukraina-protivorechie-sushhestvovaniya.html
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 21 March 2013 14: 13
      +2
      yes ... everything is extremely accurate))
  • maxvet
    maxvet 21 March 2013 10: 17
    +7
    In theory, Ukraine should have lived no worse than Russia (or even better), even if there are no natural resources, but also there are no such distances, absolutely unprofitable (in theory) regions, Ukraine inherited probably the most developed mining industry in the USSR , processing, production facilities, rural households. But ... My brothers live there, I finished school there and it is insulting, it seems that people and the government live in different worlds (this is also present in our country but not to such an extent) and all their mistakes are written off to Moscow, which is better than any work. If there wasn’t Russia, then Ukrainian politicians would have to come up with it to justify their own incompetence. And such a nationalism is a reaction to the ongoing mess (as in Germany 20 -30gg)
    1. Axel
      Axel 22 March 2013 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: maxvet
      Ukraine inherited probably the most developed industry in the USSR

      Yes, indeed everything was aviation and nuclear weapons, but the incompetent hetman Kravchuk pissed off everything

      Would Chernovol Vyacheslav Maksimovich everything could be different
  • maxvet
    maxvet 21 March 2013 10: 35
    +3
    Such nationalism is almost always a reaction to the incessant mess both in the economy and in politics. And the nationalists say clearly and clearly, "here he is the enemy now, he will drive away and there will be happiness for everyone." In Germany, it was almost the same
  • elmi
    elmi 21 March 2013 10: 57
    +2
    Nationalists are working hard on Western money
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 21 March 2013 11: 02
    +9
    Today, the Ukrainian ruling elites pursue an ill-conceived ethnic policy. Despite the fact that she strives for a noble goal - the revival of Ukrainian culture


    Sometimes, this does not look like ethnic politics, but ethnic cleansing.

    I don’t know what kind of “language” was lacking for national self-awareness in Western Ukraine (apparently such is self-awareness), but I grew up and studied in Donbass. At school, both Russian and Ukrainian were taught in the same way, which I speak without problems. All fiction (he loved to wander around the books) was, in the overwhelming majority, in Ukrainian. In Russian, a good book could be borrowed only by pull (I think there is no need to explain the meaning of the word).

    On television, in the cinema, on the stage ....., Ukrainian artists have always been in demand, remember - Chervona Ruta, Sofia Rotaru, Vladimir Ivasyuk. The performances of the Ukrainian satirist poet Stepan Oleynik were undoubtedly known from Kiev to BAM. They were appreciated and loved. Apparently only the current Ukrainians underestimated - at that time, they looked out of my father’s cowards!

    And the representatives of a union republic, from 53 to 82, ruled the whole Union!

    Everything is far-fetched! The Ukrainian diaspora from Canada and the United States was especially zealous in "the cause of the oppressed people". Those who have never seen their homeland in the eyes, well, and who fled there immediately after the Second World War, and there is no need to explain.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 March 2013 15: 07
      +5
      Quote: VadimSt
      Sometimes, this does not look like ethnic politics, but ethnic cleansing.

      I will subscribe to your every word. Starting with: "I grew up and studied in Donbass ..." hereinafter. Repeatedly he himself wrote this, practically in your words.
  • Cherkas
    Cherkas 21 March 2013 11: 22
    -8
    I read and am amazed. How did you start to worry about Ukraine. Do you like Ukraine, which is quietly silent to itself, knows Soviet history well, speaks Russian, does not respect its native culture, believes in its "Russianness" and gradually integrates into Russian society, such a younger brother without character who does what he will be told. Before the appearance of this social-nationalist party, everything was so calm, the question of language was not raised, well, apart from Yushchenko, who nevertheless sold out, the Ukrainian question was raised only in narrow circles, the population was not at all interested in their origin and culture and often even despised their origin. this is such disrespect for oneself ... There was a National Socialist Party in Germany, here the author confused it a little, calling VO Freedom (social-nationalist) an analogue of the German party, and I also understand when people shout out fascists, etc., but in the articles that you can separate the Nazis and the Nazis, this is the basis. In Ukraine, as in many countries, there is a radical-minded population, and in Ukraine this is not the electorate of VO Svoboda and not the union itself, although I must note that some insignificant percentage of Nazis support VO Svoboda as a party whose views approach their ideas, by the way, these I hate creatures (Nazis) with all my heart, I talked with them at nationalist forums and told the administration that they disgrace the nationalists, that they are mentally flawed and hence their faith in German Nazism and its associates. But the situation with VO Svoboda is quite different. To perceive Freedom, you must be a Ukrainian who knows history well. You should know that Ukrainian is not an adverb, as is indicated on your website in every tenth comment. Take read the history of languages, there are sciences that study them and then judge, but this is disrespect for Ukrainians and their culture.
    VO Liberty began the course so that the population began to think about their origin, to honor their culture and history, to deal with the consequences of communist propaganda, which has worked skillfully for a century and now neo-communists continue to use it and manifestations of communist propaganda and psychology can be found on everyone step.
    The actions of Freedom are radical only in the cultural aspect and cannot be different, because this is a reaction to the same radical policy of the past decades and centuries by the Ros. Empire and the USSR in relation to the Ukrainian language and culture. Recently, the neo-fascists shouted at Freedom in the Rada only because they demanded that a public person - the deputy speak in Ukrainian, tell me - love for your language - fascism? Do those deputies even know what fascism is? And let's move away from duplicity, would you also not want to speak Ukrainian in your Duma? You need to start with the basics. This is not our problem, that you do not perceive the Ukrainian culture and language and do not consider it culture, we are Ukrainians and now there is a struggle for our culture and history, you interpret it only on your part and therefore such articles cannot be considered objective and you should have no illusions that Ukrainians will oppose themselves.
    1. Nesvet Nezar
      Nesvet Nezar 21 March 2013 17: 55
      +3
      Good to be young. You are now at a wonderful age. It’s better to marry and give yourself a couple of three sons, otherwise your invented nonsense will die with you, and your leaders will only be grateful to you ...
    2. LAO
      LAO 21 March 2013 19: 05
      +3
      "Actions of Freedom are radical only in the cultural aspect ..."

      And the death of Zh_I_D_A_M and M_O_S_K_A_L_YA_M is also a cultural aspect?
      Could anti-Polish performances be a cultural aspect?
      Fascism is everywhere fascism, and as we say in 1941 - DEATH TO THE Fascists AND THEIR ANNOUNCEMENTS!
  • Cherkas
    Cherkas 21 March 2013 11: 22
    -9
    I am for the demolition of the monuments to Lenin, Stalin, the Bolshevik commanders in the civil war - these are not our heroes, these are people who are guilty of the deaths of tens of millions of people, mostly your fellow citizens, guilty of destroying Russian spirituality, and a group of Jews. Lenin has never been to Ukraine. In addition, these people fought against our heroes, against the UPR and killed the ideologists of independent Ukraine, whose citizen I am now, how can I honor the monuments to Lenin and Stalin? You would honor the monuments of Hitler or Goering - they fought against you just like Lenin and Stalin against my country, and if there is a subject of dispute, it’s only around, but is Ukraine entitled to be considered a country with its own culture and language? start the article with the fact that you don’t think that Ukraine has the right to its own culture and is not a self-sufficient country with its own unique culture and then your article will look completely different.
    As for hatred of the pits, Ukrainians have it only for those who interfere in our culture and that’s it. And MNUMXscals are called just such people, the rest is jokes, just like you like to joke.
    As for the OUN and UPA, these people acted the same way as in the Civil War, in which the Germans were allies, at first believed them, then fought with them and fought on both fronts, and here you need to know about the repressions of the NKVD and the repressions from the Poles and all the cruelties of the UPA were a response.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 21 March 2013 11: 52
      11
      Quote: Cherkas
      all the cruelties of the UPA were a response.

      Recently on this site we have seen the results of this "UPA response", the universal extermination of Polish villages, murdered children, wells clogged with corpses, severed heads, etc. In addition, we know very well about the terror of the local Ukrainian population, which was organized by the UPA. I regret one thing, and how Stalin made such a mistake, he did not evict the cancerous tumor of Ukraine Galicia somewhere in the Tunguska region!
      1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 21 March 2013 14: 07
        +4
        As a Siberian, I declare: THIS SHIT IS NOT HAPPEN US IN SIBERIA !!!
    2. maxvet
      maxvet 21 March 2013 13: 28
      +4
      In your UNR, is Ukraine of those times? Apart from the generalists, they really didn’t do anything more, and basically controlled Kiev and its environs, they also renamed the streets, and the real power in Ukraine at that time was Makhno, Kryvyi Rih-Donetsk Republic, yes Wrangel in the Crimea, it is so far the White Poles, Germans and Bolsheviks did not come
    3. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 21 March 2013 17: 04
      +6
      Quote: Cherkas
      I am for the demolition of the monuments to Lenin, Stalin, the Bolshevik commanders in the civil war - these are not our heroes, these are people who are guilty of the deaths of tens of millions of people, mostly your fellow citizens, guilty of destroying Russian spirituality, and a group of Jews. Lenin has never been to Ukraine. In addition, these people fought against our heroes, against the UPR and killed the ideologists of independent Ukraine, whose citizen I am now, how can I honor the monuments to Lenin and Stalin? You would honor the monuments of Hitler or Goering - they fought against you just like Lenin and Stalin against my country, and if there is a subject of dispute, it’s only around, but is Ukraine entitled to be considered a country with its own culture and language? start the article with the fact that you don’t think that Ukraine has the right to its own culture and is not a self-sufficient country with its own unique culture and then your article will look completely different.
      As for hatred of the pits, Ukrainians have it only for those who interfere in our culture and that’s it. And MNUMXscals are called just such people, the rest is jokes, just like you like to joke.
      As for the OUN and UPA, these people acted the same way as in the Civil War, in which the Germans were allies, at first believed them, then fought with them and fought on both fronts, and here you need to know about the repressions of the NKVD and the repressions from the Poles and all the cruelties of the UPA were a response.


      Comrade You do not understand what and why! (!) So you say that We killed your OUN members APanovs - YES, IT IS ALL TRUE (I would kill them now)! And WE shot him in the head between the eyes. And you, in turn, fought for Hitler and killed us in the back. So what, m * e f * o, can we talk !!! If you do not know the elementary facts of history! - About what, well, what about ??? (!) You understand, if it were not for STALIN, hell we would have won the war. Just remember a few things! Who was our country (Tsarist Russia) before the revolution? - I will answer: agrarian with peasants who had a sickle and a chopper in their hands. Yes, I do not argue, with the advent of STALIN - many people died, but these victims were not in vain. For in a few years, OUR HOMELAND has turned into a GREAT INDUSTRIAL COUNTRY. And after the end of the Second World War, the Soviet Union of Socialist Republics (RUSSIA) stopped issuing cards, while the developed decaying west used them for another 10 years. And despite the enormous losses, we have restored a great power in a very short time!
      It's up to you to decide which side you are on, brother!
      1. ultra
        ultra 21 March 2013 17: 30
        0
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Yes, I do not argue, with the advent of STALIN - many people died, but these victims were not in vain. For in a few years, OUR MOTHERLAND has turned into a GREAT INDUSTRIAL COUNTRY.
        Sorry VICTIMS can't say what they think of IT! am
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 21 March 2013 17: 15
      0
      Quote: Cherkas
      I am for the demolition of the monuments to Lenin, Stalin, the Bolshevik commanders in the civil war - these are not our heroes, these are people who are guilty of the deaths of tens of millions of people, mostly your fellow citizens, guilty of destroying Russian spirituality, and a group of Jews. Lenin has never been to Ukraine. In addition, these people fought against our heroes, against the UPR and killed the ideologists of independent Ukraine, whose citizen I am now, how can I honor the monuments to Lenin and Stalin? You would honor the monuments of Hitler or Goering - they fought against you just like Lenin and Stalin against my country, and if there is a subject of dispute, it’s only around, but is Ukraine entitled to be considered a country with its own culture and language? start the article with the fact that you don’t think that Ukraine has the right to its own culture and is not a self-sufficient country with its own unique culture and then your article will look completely different.
      As for hatred of the pits, Ukrainians have it only for those who interfere in our culture and that’s it. And MNUMXscals are called just such people, the rest is jokes, just like you like to joke.
      As for the OUN and UPA, these people acted the same way as in the Civil War, in which the Germans were allies, at first believed them, then fought with them and fought on both fronts, and here you need to know about the repressions of the NKVD and the repressions from the Poles and all the cruelties of the UPA were a response.


      Comrade You do not understand what and why! (!) So you say that We killed your OUN members APanovs - YES, IT IS ALL TRUE (I would kill them now)! And WE shot him in the head between the eyes. And you, in turn, fought for Hitler and killed us in the back. So what, m * e f * o, can we talk !!! If you do not know the elementary facts of history! - About what, well, what about ??? (!) You understand, if it were not for STALIN, hell we would have won the war. Just remember a few things! Who was our country (Tsarist Russia) before the revolution? - I will answer: agrarian with peasants who had a sickle and a chopper in their hands. Yes, I do not argue, with the advent of STALIN - many people died, but these victims were not in vain. For in a few years, OUR HOMELAND has turned into a GREAT INDUSTRIAL COUNTRY. And after the end of the Second World War, the Soviet Union of Socialist Republics (RUSSIA) stopped issuing cards, while the developed decaying west used them for another 10 years. And despite the enormous losses, we have restored a great power in a very short time!
      It's up to you to decide which side you are on, brother!
    5. LAO
      LAO 21 March 2013 19: 25
      +3
      Why now in 2012 they have xenophobic slogans?
      Again the NKVD is to blame? No fascist wants to raise the economy, work for the good of the MOTHERLAND! Others have to work, and they only shout for MOV togut. Before the annexation of the USSR, Western Ukraine was a "chuhan", illiterate, impoverished, hungry ogra region. During the years of Soviet power, at least ate, but now, the fascist bastard, they raise their tail!
      Death to the fascists and their henchmen!
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 21 March 2013 11: 31
    +5
    Ukraine is a country where the oligarchs seized everything and continue to row for themselves. The privatized industrial and agricultural enterprises were cut into scrap metal and sold to China. Terrible unemployment reigns everywhere, in fact, Ukraine stopped in its development, remained in the 90s, turned into one big bazaar selling Chinese and Turkish consumer goods and European second-hand goods. More or less prosperous in Ukraine only hucksters, shop owners, large bazaar traders live, and even those are pressed by the pressure of oligarchic state taxes, so they all work in the "shadow". Because of this, corruption of the state apparatus has grown to incredible proportions, the oligarchic ruling elite does not even try to fight it. The rest of the population eke out a miserable existence, receiving miserable pensions and salaries if they could find a job. Unemployment is the scourge of the entire population, especially after the liquidation of collective farm infrastructure and youth, the modern Ukrainian education and upbringing system has made of which infantile, semi-literate people are largely susceptible to alcoholism and drug addiction. Over the years of "independence" Ukraine has lost more than 7 million. less than 45 million left , of which more than 6,5 million are forced to work abroad, including in Russia about 2 million The spread of nationalist worldviews in Ukraine is primarily due to a large breeding ground, "shopkeepers", that trading bazaar layer, which are always carriers of nationalist ideas throughout the world, unemployment, especially among young people, it is no secret that nationalists are mainly young people, they most easily succumb to such slogans, and the growing discontent of the population with the oligarchic power. To compensate for the ripening actions against the oligarchs, the power structures financed the most reactionary part of the nationalists: the social-nationalist party (renamed "freedom" so as not to frighten the people). They were financed mainly by the oligarch Kolomoisky, who was closely connected with the power structures (party of regions). True, Tyagnibok received part of the funds from the special services of the United States, Canada, through the Ukrainian diaspora and a number of West European banks. The government also provided advertising support for nationalists in state and private media. As a result, nationalists went to parliament, got 37 out of 450 seats. After letting the genie out of the bottle, the oligarchic power itself does not know what to do with it. Nationalists completely paralyzed the work of BP, launched fierce opposition to the ruling structures, organized anti-government rallies, called for armed opposition to the existing government. Yanukovych literally burns the earth under his feet, recently the nationalists tried to disorganize the work of the government, trying to break through at its meeting. The situation is quite serious. It’s oddly strange that the police not only do not fight against national extremists, but also protect and protect them, as was the case when the nationalists destroyed the monument to Lenin in Akhtyrka.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      Terrible unemployment reigns everywhere, in fact, Ukraine stopped in its development, remained in the 90s, turned into one big bazaar selling Chinese and Turkish consumer goods and European second-hand goods.

      Otkel this nonsense?
      Google of Ukrainian manufacturers of clothes and shoes and ofigey.
      My ex is the mistress of a clothing store. More and more every year they leave Turkey. We have already left China. Take only Ukrainian manufacturers + Turkey only branded items. There they are now made by all world manufacturers.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 21 March 2013 23: 51
        -1
        [. Take only Ukrainian manufacturers + Turkey only branded items. There they are now made by all world manufacturers. [/ Quote]
        Why are you hanging my noodles here? "Ukrainian brands"! Where did the fabrics come from? And what about threads, accessories, machines, overlocks and more? Also ukraiskie? Only Ukrainian seamstresses, who are forced to plow for 12 hours, may not be paid for half their salary.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 22 March 2013 11: 27
          0
          Stop! Stop! Stop! Mr. Bystrov ... let's understand.
          Quote: bistrov.
          only traders, shopkeepers, large bazaar traders live in Ukraine,

          So are there still manufacturers of clothes and shoes in Ukraine or not ???
          Quote: bistrov.
          Why are you hanging my noodles here? "Ukrainian brands"

          Noodles are not mine but: http://www.atelie.in.ua/page.php?214 - This is a link to Ukrainian ateliers. Farther :
          http://zemal.com.ua/
          http://www.essa.com.ua/
          http://alesya.kharkov.ua/
          The list I can continue.
          Quote: bistrov.
          And where are the fabrics from? And the threads, accessories, cars, overlocks and more? Also Ukrainian?

          Fabrics, threads, accessories - made in China, Pakistan, India. Those. those countries that supply the lion's share of such a product worldwide. These are those countries in which for centuries it has been a national product. Or do you want Ukraine to urgently begin to grow cotton or mulberry trees? Can we start growing pineapples? Well, now artificial silk is a list of enterprises: http://www.ua-region.info/kved/Ind.17.24
          Cars, overlocks, needles. Mostly imports. An exception may be in the details. But I want to remind you that the whole world is also priced with similar things in China. No wonder.

          Quote: bistrov.
          Ukrainian only seamstresses, who are forced to plow for 12 hours, may not pay for a half salary.

          Specific examples, at what enterprises, how much is "half salary" ???
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 21 March 2013 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      unemployment, especially among young people, it’s no secret that nationalists are mostly young people, they are most easily amenable to such slogans

      I remembered the hamsters at the Abay monument in Moscow, and their cry - pay for obay .. unemployed hamsters were lying on the grass 24 hours a day, all the yards and corners were around .. if .. why were these people not at work? see for felting on the grass under the bushes paid well!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 21 March 2013 15: 00
        +2
        Quote: djon3volta
        I remembered the hamsters at the Abay monument in Moscow, and their cry - pay for obay .. unemployed hamsters were lying on the grass 24 hours a day, all the yards and corners were around .. if .. why were these people not at work? see for felting on the grass under the bushes paid well!

        John three jacks))) With you, everything has been clear for a long time !!!)))
        Putin is alive, Putin is all the better, and the rest are all hamsters)))))))))))))
        Not tired?)))
        Well, he will not appoint you governor)))))))
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 21 March 2013 22: 24
          +1
          smile lol laughing
          I certainly for Putin with both hands BUT))))
          I liked this comment here ....
          Quote: Yarbay
          Putin is alive, Putin is all the better

          laughing laughing
          good okay, you can’t imagine it on purpose))))))
  • imperiolist
    imperiolist 21 March 2013 11: 36
    +4
    (But both Germany and France are the most important states of the European Union, so it is obvious that they will be the first to oppose the slightest support for Ukrainian nationalism.)

    which, however, does not prevent the "most important" pins from closing their eyes or even admiring the fascist Baltic states

    it is a pity Stalin did not live another ten years, the Baltic states under him clearly awaited the fate of keninsberg

    bleh .. I want to go back to the USSR, there isn’t enough evil to look at these pleased mugs fascist
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 21 March 2013 11: 39
    10
    .. History teaches us that it teaches nothing ...
    Ukraine went through a period of independence / independence in 1918-1919. M. Bulgakov's "White Guard" is a study of a contemporary in fine fiction.
    Not so long ago, at the beginning of the 90s of the last century, exclamations of "We'll live right now!" Were also heard ....
    How much can you run on a rake?
    In Russia, there are no monuments to either Stalin, Khrushchev, or Brezhnev. But that didn’t change anything.
    But in the Ukrainian history textbooks there are articles about the tribes of the mysterious "ukrov", allegedly once living in the northern Black Sea region ...
    The history of Ukraine is historically connected with the history of Russia, as if someone who did not want to.
    The culture of Ukraine is historically connected with the culture of Russia, as someone who did not want to.
    Question: "And who was the leader of Ukraine by nationality who" organized the notorious Holodomor "?
  • Serjio-1
    Serjio-1 21 March 2013 11: 43
    +9
    How I love to read comments on this site dedicated to Ukrainian problems! People, do you even understand what you are writing about !? "Ukraine is a feather of a two-headed eagle" ... Oh-oh-oh! And how long has the eagle been a chicken?) And whoever wanted to dunk him in this, including the Balts! You got up off your knees! We are glad for you! But why so much pathos, brothers-Slavs !? "We need to come and put things in order", "we have to rake everything later" ... Yes, you haven't put everything in your place yet and you haven't raked everything !!! "Take Crimea urgently"! Whoa! I am from Crimea, in principle, do not mind, but ... After these words, there is a feeling of a suitcase - you can take it and carry it wherever you want, but here, by the way, people live! And not everyone wants to be under your eagle's wing! And then a comrade is sitting in Tambov, and says what is wrong in Ukraine, although he has never been here. Or another one - I, he says, lived there, THERE'S bad, moved to Russia, WE HAVE good ... Russian patriot, damn it ... He left - a good way! Why vomit something? Respect for the author of the article, but he still submits the situation gently. Radical Nazis are becoming a real force, the situation is heating up, the government is fixated on grabbing more and faster, the people are in shit, and the neighbors are also adding heat ... Are you really sure that Russia's sanctions against Ukraine add to your popularity ??? 5-7 years ago, in our Crimea, it was often possible to meet the Russian flag, and cars drove through one with your symbols. Not now! Your banners are gone. Nobody will wave the ensign of the power that is strangling your children !! And you know what? Many of you have more honor than the real weight and authority of Russia on the territory of Ukraine. And your arrogance only increases the gap between us. Not that somehow everything, not so ...
    1. imperiolist
      imperiolist 21 March 2013 11: 57
      0
      You can rest assured that our banners will return. Russia will regain all the occupied lands and become united again.
    2. imperiolist
      imperiolist 21 March 2013 12: 08
      +1
      our banners will return do not hesitate! In the meantime, you can hang the flags of the United States or the European Union around the country, they’ll be closer to you in spirit, maybe they will soon be part of a great and free Europe
      1. Serjio-1
        Serjio-1 21 March 2013 13: 17
        +1
        And where did you see that I urge you to stand under the American flag ... Is that what it was about?
        1. maxvet
          maxvet 21 March 2013 14: 43
          +2
          I also moved from Ukraine to Russia (more precisely, the parents of the 17-year-old were transported), and I can't say, "they are in Ukraine", my parents are from the Voronezh region, in their youth they moved 150 km to the Voroshilovgrad region (now Luhansk) , for me, Ukraine has remained my homeland, but I also love Russia, my brothers and sisters and their families live in the Luhansk region, and by and large I share your views Serjio, when they start to write that all ukry are sold out, this causes a double feeling, but in the Ukrainian language -so I in the Voronezh region (southern districts) hear it more often than in 17 years in Ukraine
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 21 March 2013 16: 32
            +2
            Quote: maxvet
            when they start to write that all ukry sold out, it causes a double feeling


            I think that in this case the "ambiguity of the wording" affects. The people who write here do not at all treat people living in Ukraine with malice. And they are outraged only by those who imagine themselves to be the "highest titular nation" trying to impose their rule on the entire people. these are the "ukry". By the way, why are they offended? This is the official term - "ancient ukry" (from which all mankind has gone), issued by this pearl "real patriotic historians" Yushchenko .... So get what you wanted.
            1. maxvet
              maxvet 21 March 2013 18: 57
              +2
              unfortunately, I also did not clearly formulate it, I reduced the Ukrainians (including little growers, etc.) to ukrov, I consider myself a citizen of Russia, and by nationality I am Ukrainian, and I say "in Ukraine" and not "in Ukraine ", etc. I am still proud that I am Ukrainian, mainly because I do not oppose myself to Russians and Belarusians, just as Voronezh and Lipchane, Luhansk and Kharkiv residents do not oppose each other, etc., but unfortunately there are things which I can't even explain to myself - the praise of Bender and Galicia (with a small letter), etc., this can lead to the fact that I will feel ashamed, because before that, in any dispute, I proved that Ukrainians made a very, very significant contribution to the Great Victory, and now when the heroes of Ukraine are Shukhevychs with bandars, I don't even want to argue
    3. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 32
      +2
      Serjio-1
      Ah well done !!!
    4. Makarov
      Makarov 21 March 2013 14: 17
      +2
      Clearly pushed back, moldy guy!)
    5. xan
      xan 21 March 2013 16: 57
      +3
      Quote: Serjio-1
      No one will wave the ensign of the power that is strangling your children !!


      And in order not to strangle your children, we need to feed your oligarchs with the Svoboda and Bandera people together with your children, so what, Crimean?
      1. Serjio-1
        Serjio-1 21 March 2013 20: 46
        0
        When did you feed my children? I don't think I saw you at my table. To the oligarchs "mine", as well as to yours, I do not care, just as they do with me. At the moment we are talking about a FAIR gas price. It goes to Europe almost 2 times cheaper than to Ukraine. Or did you decide to feed European children along with the oligarchs there? Something is hard to believe ... Ukraine was thrown into an OVERALL price, which is paid not by the Ukrainian oligarch Pupkin, but by an ordinary citizen Ivanov. And this does not add to the whist power of Russia.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 21 March 2013 21: 42
          -1
          Quote: Serjio-1
          At the moment, we are talking about a FAIR gas price.

          Well, go say thanks to Julia! This is because she was prevented by the available price! Documents falsified and flew like a white swan! Excuse me, where does Russia come from? The Russian Federation respects its interests, and if it was given the opportunity to sell at a higher price, then on what basis should it be refused?
          I agree, it's expensive. Russia may concede, but at the same time, Ukraine must make some concessions. Please write what concessions Ukraine proposed in exchange for a price reduction?
        2. xan
          xan 21 March 2013 23: 15
          -2
          Quote: Serjio-1
          When did you feed my children? I don't think I saw you at my table. To the oligarchs "mine", as well as to yours, I do not care, just as they do with me.

          began to mow under the stupid, Crimean?
          Quote: Serjio-1
          At the moment, we are talking about a FAIR gas price.

          when you had some suspicion, you told how the Mongol-Nazi oppressed you and appointed the heroes of the geeks Bandera with Shukhevych and the cunning hypocrite Mazepa, spit in our common history. What did you think, Russia will continue to subsidize you in your attempts?
          There will be no cheaper gas in exchange for Russian symbols on your machines. Look for such clever sponsors in the European collective farm, you may find.
          1. morpex
            morpex 22 March 2013 00: 09
            0
            Quote: xan
            There will be no cheaper gas in exchange for Russian symbols on your machines. Look for such clever sponsors in the European collective farm, you may find.

            We understood this for a long time. Therefore, we began to buy your own gas from the Germans almost a hundred Baku cheaper than you sell it to us. Nothing personal. Only business. It’s only interesting why Putin sells Merkel gas if it heats up even when it is sold in Ukraine? And by the way, our gas for consumers is cheaper than yours. Is the paradox true?
            1. xan
              xan 22 March 2013 00: 31
              0
              Quote: morpex
              .Because they began to buy your own gas from the Germans almost a hundred Baku cheaper than you sell it to us

              Glad for you, it remains to find out why you did not completely switch to German gas
              Quote: morpex
              And by the way, our gas for consumers is cheaper than yours. Is the paradox true?

              But gas is even more expensive in the European collective farm than in Russia, a paradox, right? Maybe you can say that Ukrainians live richer than Russians?
              1. morpex
                morpex 22 March 2013 01: 00
                -1
                Quote: xan
                Glad for you, it remains to find out why you did not completely switch to German gas

                I told you. Nothing personal. At a price like you don't want it, but you have to look for cheaper. And I’m even glad this is strange. Finally, our powerful people moved their fat asses and started looking for an alternative. Yes, and started saving energy enter everywhere. Even in the villages we switch to electric heating and in schools, hospitals and other state institutions they put overflow boilers instead of gas ones. So, thanks to my friend for such a price!
                Quote: xan
                But gas is even more expensive in the European collective farm than in Russia, a paradox, right?

                The paradox is that we started buying there cheaper than yours.
                Quote: xan
                Maybe you can say that Ukrainians live richer than Russians?

                He likes a joke in a subject? two coumits meet. Long time no see. One of the other asks: - Coume! How are you?
                another answers: - Yak in Poland! Who is thicker and pan!
                So I won’t argue about this topic. It’s good wherever there is no us. I’ll say for myself. There’s enough bread and butter, and thank God.
    6. morpex
      morpex 21 March 2013 23: 55
      0
      Quote: Serjio-1
      And your arrogance only widens the gap between us.

      Yeah! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ... How many times have I tried to prove it ... But the arrogance of the "title" is difficult to fight ...
      1. xan
        xan 22 March 2013 00: 42
        0
        Quote: morpex
        Quote: Serjio-1
        And your arrogance only widens the gap between us.

        Yeah! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ... How many times have I tried to prove it ... But the arrogance of the "title" is difficult to fight ...

        And you in Ukraine think that we are friends and dream of closing the gap between us. We didn’t make this abyss in the 90s, it’s not for us to remove it. We need only those Ukrainians who do not separate themselves from the Russian world. And let the small towns of you, like you, equip your Ukraine, but without our lands and people.
        And about arrogance - look at the current policy of your state from the outside. And it all started with "enough to feed the Muscovites"
        1. morpex
          morpex 22 March 2013 01: 20
          0
          Quote: xan
          And you there in Ukraine think that we are getting together as your friends and dream of closing the gap between us. We didn’t pave this chasm in 90x, it’s not for us to remove it.

          Well, firstly, I don’t think so. Secondly, this abyss of wine is equally ours and ours.
          Quote: xan
          We need only those Ukrainians who do not separate themselves from the Russian world

          And we Ukrainians need a Russia where they will accept us as brothers and not as "come in large numbers here"

          Quote: xan
          And let the small towns of you, like you, equip your Ukraine, but without our lands and people.

          Pride is a sin. By the way, as is arrogance. So I don’t suffer from it. And God forbid your lands! Well, I don’t pretend at all. On the contrary, I always empathize with you and very carefully monitor what is happening with you. I sincerely rejoice at your successes and am very upset at your punctures.
          Quote: xan
          And about arrogance - look at the modern politics of your state from the side

          So all Ukrainians should be blamed for this?

          Quote: xan
          And it all started with "enough to feed the Muscovites"

          In my opinion, it all started with Humpback, EBN, Kravchuk, Shushkevich. Isn’t that so?
          1. xan
            xan 22 March 2013 19: 49
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            In my opinion, it all started with Humpback, EBN, Kravchuk, Shushkevich. Isn’t that so?

            If this were so, then it would not be worth paying attention to. At 92m he graduated from high school in St. Petersburg. There were about 30 Ukrainians on the stream. Only one of them perceived the separation of Ukraine and Russia negatively. The rest for the Russians is something like this - stay in your scoop, always drunken rogues, and we will go to Europe. Is Gorbaty, EBN, Kravchuk and Shushkevich to blame for this too?
            1. tommy1984
              tommy1984 24 March 2013 16: 30
              0
              The rest for the Russians is something like this - stay in your scoop, always drunken rogues, and we will go to Europe.


              20 years have passed. So how did those 29 couples get to Europe? hi
          2. xan
            xan 22 March 2013 19: 58
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            Quote: xan
            And you there in Ukraine think that we are getting together as your friends and dream of closing the gap between us. We didn’t pave this chasm in 90x, it’s not for us to remove it.

            Well, firstly, I don’t think so. Secondly, this abyss of wine is equally ours and ours.

            Well, about the guilt of Ukraine, I know this is the exposition of Russians by the redneck people and spitting in the common history, and this was when they were halfway.
            And what is the fault of the Russians?
            1. morpex
              morpex 23 March 2013 15: 43
              0
              Quote: xan
              Well, about the guilt of Ukraine, I know this is the exposition of Russians by the redneck people and spitting in the common history, and this was when they were in full suspension. And what is the fault of the Russians?

              Shjort take it! But who is so pumping you up there! Yes, there was no such attitude towards Russians in Ukraine! In any case, in the circle where I communicate. So only idiots can talk about Russians! And what about the guilt? I don’t mean all the Russians, but only those liberal shit-liberals who felled the country! Here, both your and our shifty-communists are to blame for the same degree.
  • imperiolist
    imperiolist 21 March 2013 11: 47
    0
    Hitler's case lives

    American fascism will help fraternal fascist republics
    1. LAO
      LAO 21 March 2013 18: 54
      -1
      In fact, fascists are antagonists for everyone, including other fascists. They temporarily unite to defeat the third, and then destroy the friend of the dreg. Fascism does not tolerate anyone else, even other (foreign) fascism.
  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 21 March 2013 11: 48
    +2
    Duck, they only fight with monuments, flags, and insult veterans, for another they lack intelligence and human development. they are vuyki from a half-moon, except for whistles and embroidered shirts, they don’t know how to do anything, lazy damn it, the dregs of Ukrainian society, the Lviv factory and then they transfer to Dnepropetrovsk, there is nobody to work there. live for free, on state handouts and they still dictate to us how to live and what language to speak, house-goers damn it. Death to the Bandershaff spawn and general contempt.
  • povkonavt
    povkonavt 21 March 2013 12: 08
    +1
    Yes, with all these "shows", they just deliberately distract people from existing problems - there is no bread, give at least more spectacles
  • apro
    apro 21 March 2013 12: 29
    +4
    Until the second IVT Stalin Nikolay1 or Ivan Vasilyevich4 Grozny appears in Moscow, all these Bandera Baltic forest gangs brothers Georgian tie eaters and ara brawlers with azeri and Central Asian basmachi can easily calm the Russians, although they have rights above the roof. As soon as the Empire appears they all find a place
    1. amp
      amp 21 March 2013 12: 48
      +5
      For a new Stalin to appear, you must first rehabilitate the name of Stalin from the lies that have been said about him over the years.

      There are still enough idiots who believe in hundreds of millions of victims of repression.
    2. Georgs
      Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: apro
      Until the second IVT Stalin Nikolay1 or Ivan Vasilyevich4 Grozny appears in Moscow, all these Bandera Baltic forest gangs brothers Georgian tie eaters and ara brawlers with azeri and Central Asian basmachi can easily calm the Russians, although they have rights above the roof. As soon as the Empire appears they all find a place

      Mon amy Apro! All of the above personalities or their possible modern analogues for modern Russia are irrelevant. The only historical figure is acute - Pyotr Arkadyevich Stolypin. Here is such a thing as air.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 21 March 2013 12: 34
    +2
    Ah, the Slavs with the fascists will play out until the first blood, then they will not stop blazing. Somehow they forgot about Crimea, but there are Tatars. God forbid the civil war in Ukraine. Iraq, Libya, Syria - will nervously smoke on the sidelines. What, what, but we taught each other to cut. Passed by. And Russia will get involved in any way. Maybe this is a cunning combination of our enemies? by shaking the situation in Ukraine up to the civilian, dragging Russia into this slaughter and catching fish in troubled waters.
    1. Georgs
      Georgs 21 March 2013 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      Ah, the Slavs with the fascists will play out until the first blood, then they will not stop blazing. Somehow they forgot about Crimea, but there are Tatars. God forbid the civil war in Ukraine. Iraq, Libya, Syria - will nervously smoke on the sidelines. What, what, but we taught each other to cut. Passed by. And Russia will get involved in any way. Maybe this is a cunning combination of our enemies? by shaking the situation in Ukraine up to the civilian, dragging Russia into this slaughter and catching fish in troubled waters.

      Chur, chur us! It is up to you, ed65b, not to cast such passions on our poor heads!
  • Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 21 March 2013 12: 55
    +9
    Greetings to all guardians for the fate of the Russian lands!
    With all the brightness and brilliance of the words spewed out in the heat of indignation about the growing "Nazism" in Ukraine, it is worth thinking about what the conversation is about! Today those people who do not see any other way out vote against the authorities! Those children have already grown up and are raising their children, and schools are teaching them on the new Ukrainian history, which says that ukram is 150 thousand years old. Children in Russia also learn the new Russian history, where the most important battles of World War II are El Alamein and the islands in the ocean.
    Stalingrad and the Battle of Kursk are allotted one line!
    But the brains are washed both the same and the same. It is beneficial for them, very beneficial!
    With all my optimism, I see with a pain in my heart how the state ships of our countries are diverging further and further. It doesn't matter what system they live in! Now is their time, whether in Russia or in Ukraine! It is they who stir up passions about the divine origin of "ukrov" and bother the heads of the Russians. And the belief that the people will wake up, that we have what they have, then by this faith we are still alive!
    One thing is clear, without Great Russia, there will never be order on its outskirts (Ukraine), even if they learn Hebrew from the germ!
  • crambol
    crambol 21 March 2013 13: 02
    +4
    Quote: Vlaleks48
    New Ukrainian history, which says that Ukram is 150 thousand years old


    Yes, at least 150 million, what is the use if they did not have statehood! The only thing they learned to do was beat their faces in the Rada.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 21 March 2013 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: crambol
      The only thing they learned to do was beat their faces in the Rada.


      I strongly advise you to follow the link

      http://polemika.com.ua/news-113243.html#title

      It is precisely on this episode that the deputy from the PR is presented with a claim and is generally ready to file a lawsuit!
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 38
        0
        Elena, cool link)
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 21 March 2013 13: 45
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        It is precisely on this episode that the deputy from the PR is presented with a claim and is generally ready to file a lawsuit!

        Looked at the materials on the link. What can I say? The art of provocation has been mastered perfectly well. No wonder what "great" teachers were. The next step is to set fire to the building. ReichstVerkhovna Rada.
      3. Makarov
        Makarov 21 March 2013 14: 04
        +3
        I looked and almost cried from resentment .... disgusting sight ....
  • kamakim
    kamakim 21 March 2013 13: 14
    +1
    in general, there is now a tendency to increase the influence of right-wing and far-right parties in Europe (in the northern part, especially Sweden, Finland ...), but this is due to an increase in migrants (primarily Muslims) who neglect the culture and values ​​of these countries, which greatly hurt pride . in Ukraine, everything is completely different ...
  • SHOGUN
    SHOGUN 21 March 2013 13: 34
    +4
    I thought it would be difficult to find a country more nationalistic than Japan. But at the moment, I live and work in Crimea. So, I was wrong. I see that there are people in Ukraine, very adorable children of their fathers, from the 3rd Reich. And they are already in the country's parliament.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 13: 54
      +2
      In Crimea, nationalism ???
      Nationalists in Ukraine less than 10% of the population
      And certainly for the whole Crimea a hundred or so may be typed ... and I doubt it.
      1. Serjio-1
        Serjio-1 21 March 2013 14: 21
        +3
        Yes, there is ... True, not Ukrainian. There is a problem of the Crimean Tatars, it has not gone anywhere. It's just that it is being hushed up now. Come to us on May 18, you will see everything with your own eyes ... The cry "to cut the Russians" still sounds the same, which means that sooner or later this abscess may burst. And the west of Ukraine clearly remembers its promise of the 90s - "Crimea will be either Ukrainian or deserted" ...
        1. biglow
          biglow 21 March 2013 17: 39
          +1
          in the Crimea, the aligarchs invested so much money that they would defend their property until the last soldier of the internal troops, now all parts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in the Crimea are in full complement, and the Tatars in the first place are too few and secondly what will become of them if they start to rebel? Therefore, on their part nothing will happen, especially since there is no unity among the Tatars either.
  • satellite
    satellite 21 March 2013 13: 43
    +5
    Ukraine will never reconnect with Russia while there will be a mess in Russia. As soon as we have economic progress, work starts, order is brought in, laws will work, only then Ukrainians will look in our direction and nationalists will get rid of themselves, and so everything that is said here alone chatter.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 21 March 2013 13: 56
    +7
    That's right ... a brown plague, an abscess, etc., etc., but who would speak of anti-sims ... read the archive and comments here, so anti-simitism blossoms and smells so let's not be hypocritical ....

    Now Cherkas - people like you should hang on poles, so that there wouldn’t be any other way of thinking ... there is no other way out against you and most likely will not be ... maybe a lobotomy only .... or a current .... Here because of people like you, I plowed at the plant like damn it so that (unprintable words) hutsul would go to my grandmother to work in Europe and I breathe sulfur, phosphorus, atom is nearby and water isn’t from springs certainly you (unprintable words) You will still teach me (unprintable words) how to live in my country and tell that Stalin and Hitler are one and the same (many unprintable words) .....
  • Terkin
    Terkin 21 March 2013 13: 59
    +1
    So all nationalistic legalized organizations are funded from outside. Regarding the intervention of Russia, this is not yet possible; this requires political will. Agree gentlemen, no one will go closer to the country, no one will succumb to the influence of the country in which they brazenly and methodically steal, plant only those who did not share or took too much for their level. If in Russia there will be a real turn in the direction of strengthening statehood, for Ukraine it will be a kind of lighthouse. Ukraine’s exit from a direct peak is directly proportional to our gain.
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 21 March 2013 14: 01
    0
    Khazar blood will eat them all the same.
  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 21 March 2013 14: 09
    +1
    In fact, I don’t consider West-Ukrainians to be Ukrainians, it’s some kind of hybrid of gypsies, the Romanian-Hungarian-Austrian incubation 600, a summer period of transformation from Aryans to hell knows that Stalin made a big mistake that in the 39 year he added these black ghouls, drones 20-21 centuries, if I had connected them, I would have already made a reservation or a reserve where tourists would have safari to shoot Neanderthals, they live back in the 20 century, the war has already ended and they still derail trains, partisans damn, and no one can not nit, that the Second World has long ended. drinks
    1. Bandera
      Bandera 21 March 2013 14: 43
      +1
      Your words would be to a hutsul, a gallican or a lemka in your ears.
      Because of such words, a bickering begins. Who is better and who is worse?

      You yourself are no better than a black man in Africa, and I am no better than a Papuan in New Guinea.
      Stalin did the right thing to bring the people together. Stalin was a Georgian who is now being sown by the Russian media. That we will forget Stalin and will hate him, because he is "the face of Caucasian nationality"?

      By confrontation you will only achieve confrontation. Hate, only hate.
      1. seafarer
        seafarer 21 March 2013 18: 07
        +1
        Hatred
        Quote: Bandera
        By confrontation you will only achieve confrontation. Hate, only hate

        I agree!!!!
        But incitement to hatred and confrontation, moreover - extremely aggressive, is just more typical for the population of the western regions than for the rest of Ukraine. There are many examples of this both in the media and in the statements of "dyachiv" of various levels.
        Yes, and he himself has already accumulated a lot of personal experience in communicating for conclusions.
        I understand that this is all "foam", shit on the surface. But it’s too smelly, and it’s not going to precipitate yet.
    2. morpex
      morpex 23 March 2013 15: 51
      0
      Quote: SHEKSPIR
      In fact, I don’t consider West-Ukrainians to be Ukrainians, it’s some kind of hybrid of gypsies, the Romanian-Hungarian-Austrian incubation 600, a summer period of transformation from Aryans to hell knows that Stalin made a big mistake that in the 39 year he added these black ghouls, drones 20-21 centuries, if I had connected them, I would have already made a reservation or a reserve where tourists would have safari to shoot Neanderthals, they live back in the 20 century, the war has already ended and they still derail trains, partisans damn, and no one can not nit, that the Second World has long ended. drinks

      WOW !!! Judging by your statements and conclusions, you most likely fought on the side of Adolf? Here "Svoboda" was not even close! And where are the moderators looking? It doesn't smell like Nazism here, but it stinks with all its might!
  • Bandera
    Bandera 21 March 2013 14: 32
    0
    Russia is looking for an external enemy. The best beating boy is marginals like Ukrainian nationalists. But constant throws in the media and discussion can not solve the problem.
    I am more than sure that statements about yachs, jets and others are just a PR company. The German National Socialists of the 30s paid great attention to PR. It is enough to recall the stormtroopers, parade processions and mystical rituals.
    At the head of the Svoboda party are by no means fools who use the riot of young offspring and the nostalgia of the UPA warriors. But strange as it may sound, they would have solved the problem of relations with Russia more effectively than Yanukovych and Co.
    The time of real politicians has gone along with death, but rather with the murder before the presidential election, Vyacheslav Chornovil. A moderate politician with a national idea. Thanks to Kuchma.
    Now a marginal, frenzied party has emerged that is eager for power and hates current power. As Stalin would put it, the party of petty bourgeoisie. But so active and straightforward that 10,5% of the population of Ukraine voted for them.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 21 March 2013 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: Bandera
      Vyacheslav Chornovil. A moderate politician with a national idea. Thanks to Kuchma.

      But both Chernovil himself with a national idea, and the late E. Kushnarev, who died in a very strange way in the hunt and is, as it were, "a representative of the other - the pro-Russian side" - both believed that federalization would only benefit Ukraine. So what if "federations" (or autonomous republics), but the country would remain whole. The USA also consists of different states, and nothing. Each federation would have its own laws and would not go into someone else's monastery with its own charter! And then we would have figured out on the sly - is it good to live like this? And they saw, and who really is worth what! Yes, business, you know, damn it! In the case of federations, after all, each government asked its businessmen for a report stricter in order to fill the federal budget. And so - all to Kiev! He's a bastard! It takes away from some, gives it to others, and the people of Kiev themselves spread rot! In the meantime, the husband of that very Mr. I. Sekh, who "suffered so terribly in the fight", owns a woodworking company that is slowly cutting down the reserved forest in the storage area and rafting it over the hill. And try to touch! am
      By the way, at today's meeting of the Verkhovna Rada, members of the PR apologized for the fight in general, but suggested that the Svobodovites next time not to hide behind women, but to go out like men one on one! On the one hand, respect, and on the other, it's time to build a separate circus, especially for deputies!
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 21 March 2013 17: 24
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        the late E. Kushnarev, who died very strangely on a hunt

        not Elena ... the usual drunk on the hunt destroys quite a few hunters, just Kushnaryov was a prominent figure. And about ordinary hunters in the media, although they report, but who needs it. This year, a bullet accidentally fired from a carbine through the windshield of a car passed literally 50cm from me ... there was about the same thing. Not a discharged weapon in the car, everyone drunk, a random shot ... everything ...
        1. morpex
          morpex 21 March 2013 21: 42
          -1
          Quote: Skavron
          not Elena ... the usual drunk on the hunt destroys quite a few hunters, just Kushnaryov was a prominent figure.

          Yeah. What doesn’t happen when you are drunk. But here is a separate song. By and large, Kushnaryov was clearly a favorite in the upcoming presidential elections at that time. Yanukovych didn’t stand by his side. But Akhmetov and his friends had other plans .. And you’ve got Akhmetov’s methods you know yourself. I don’t have to tell you .. The whole Donbass is littered with corpses. They still dig it out ... So that the shot there was not accidental ...
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 21 March 2013 22: 09
            -1
            Marine, there was as I described. I know. And don't ask where.
            1. morpex
              morpex 21 March 2013 23: 11
              0
              Quote: Skavron
              Marine, there was as I described. I know. And don't ask where.

              You know, I won’t argue with you. You probably have good reason to say that. But for some reason I am inclined to believe you. It’s just that the story is too muddy. With a sweet smell .. They all hushed up quickly, they didn’t act humanly with the deceased .Yes a lot of things ....
  • Chavy
    Chavy 21 March 2013 14: 52
    +2
    Nationalism and anti-Semitism in Ukraine is sponsored by the Jewish oligarchy jointly with Israel. The Freedom Party is from there it receives its shekels of blood. This is beneficial to Israel, of course, the influx of new repatriates and slaves will never hurt them. History repeats itself, it was by such methods that the Jews of Europe were driven into Israel in the 19th and 20th centuries, with the help of actually organized pogroms and world wars.
    1. aleks-s2011
      aleks-s2011 22 March 2013 22: 04
      0
      Quote: Chavy
      Nationalism and anti-Semitism in Ukraine is sponsored by the Jewish oligarchy jointly with Israel. The Freedom Party is from there it receives its shekels of blood. This is beneficial to Israel, of course, the influx of new repatriates and slaves will never hurt them. History repeats itself, it was by such methods that the Jews of Europe were driven into Israel in the 19th and 20th centuries, with the help of actually organized pogroms and world wars.
  • engineer5
    engineer5 21 March 2013 14: 56
    +2
    Everywhere behind nationalist slogans are material interests. Words for fools.
  • tarks
    tarks 21 March 2013 15: 52
    +1
    nationalism in Ukraine is supported externally by money and not only.
    pro-Western capital, of course.
    and Russia, of course, should not intervene. no way.
    to guarantee a problem of indefinite size.
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 21 March 2013 16: 02
    +3
    In fact, Ukraine chooses from two evils - about Russian or about Western politicians who want to chop off more from the country under different slogans, there is no alternative yet, because those who could be the alternative have long been destroyed (the same Vyacheslav Chornovol, for example).

    Now, when Yanukovych's policy in the country is collapsing, people are trying to find an alternative, "Svoboda" which allegedly defends the interests of the country - such an alternative is not, because everyone knows who is there and who is paying. For about the Russian, too, no one wants to because and so the country was sold to the Russian "brothers", the Customs Union will not save us, because the economy of any normal state should not depend on one single country.

    Putin is an intelligent man, but not once fell for Ukraine trying to imprison his man, but as a result of this he sent him politely in 3 letters and did not what Moscow would say, but what Donetsk and his pocket would say.

    Regarding the nationalists in Ukraine - by God, do not tell my sneakers, in the same Russia there are many more nationalist and, most importantly, fascist organizations, but for some reason no one is talking about them, but about a bunch of Natsiks in Ukraine with foam at the mouth in Russia is squealed as if it is the number one problem in the world. For a start, find out how many Russian divisions of traitors fought on the side of the Germans during the Great Patriotic War, the average "UPA" is just a kindergarten after them))))

    We must wait, wait and believe that someday a man will appear in the country, like Lukashenko in Belarus, and he will take everyone by the eggs and put fans on the wall of the most working Ukrainian people and the richest in natural resources of the Ukrainian land.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 21 March 2013 16: 41
      +1
      Good comment! "+"
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 21 March 2013 16: 11
    +3
    Basically, this is Galician nationalism (the regions that actually became part of Soviet Ukraine after the Second World War), his main ideas are hatred of Russians. Jews and communists; whatever happens, even if the comet falls, the Russians, Jews and Communists will be to blame for this. This Galician ethnos wants to subjugate all the regions of Ukraine.
  • SHOGUN
    SHOGUN 21 March 2013 17: 33
    +1
    Quote: Skavron
    In Crimea, nationalism ???


    I did not say that in the Crimea. Although here you can find a couple of infected. It's about Ukraine.

    In Crimea, there really is a problem of Crimean Tatars.