Military Review

Square meters are growing, but the queue is growing

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The housing question of the military has long touched all sectors of society, since it has long since moved from the social to the category of political. Unsettled and constant protests of "service people" significantly reduces the level of the country's defense. If you simplify what has been said: tell me if it will take weapon and will a homeless officer, whose family freezes in a hastily built barracks, and children are not provided with a normal level of education and health care, to defend the homeland?

In which country are the protesters coming out? For example, at the "parade of homeless officers" in which North officers took part fleet. Or a speech by three hundred active and retired officers with the support of representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the union of military personnel and Just Russia in the city of Murmansk, who did not receive the apartments laid out by him under the Law of the Russian Federation. Military rallies in Moscow became almost regular. Desperate members of the military families repeatedly appealed to the first persons of the state to stop the eviction of families of officers and retirees from official housing. For many years, the Ministry of Defense has been deceiving the servicemen and those dismissed into the reserve by empty promises of providing apartments. The servicemen require for themselves only what is required by law: the provision of housing in their chosen region and within the time period established by law. What kind of military-patriotic education of youth can we talk about when officers who have devoted years of their lives to serving the motherland are forced to ask the state to fulfill their obligations to them.

Officials of the Ministry of Defense constantly flaunt astronomical figures of square meters, commissioned housing for military personnel. Only the queue of those in need does not become smaller. Of course, every officer dismissed from the ranks of the Armed Forces wants to get housing in the region where he can find work for himself and provide for his family. And these are big federal centers and cities. Therefore, the attorney of officials of the Ministry of Defense about the desire of servicemen to live near Moscow or St. Petersburg is at least not decent.

O. Shvedkov, Chairman of the Central Security Committee of the Department of Social Security Services, believes that unresolved housing issues are not related to the objective difficulties referred to by the Ministry of Defense, but to the inability of the heads of the military department to organize this process. Shvedkov proposes to create a separate department that would acquire apartments for military personnel from developers and be responsible for building new housing for officers and their families. It is difficult to say how realistic this offer is. Will we get a second Oboronservis, the case of which, and its affiliated organizations, are constantly overgrown with new corruption and criminal facts.

The recently held Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation discussed the housing problem of servicemen. According to the Ministry of Defense, about eighty thousand active soldiers have no shelter. And this is despite the fact that in 2012, service housing received 49 thousand military. Each year the queue increases by about 25 thousand people. How realistic it is for such a situation for the Ministry of Defense to fulfill its obligations to provide housing for servicemen is unknown. As acknowledged by the deputy head of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade in the Ministry of Defense, there is no centralized registration of the military waiting list, therefore it is impossible to believe in the figures provided by this agency on the number of officers in need of housing and retired. Due to the unprofessional work of officials of the Ministry of Defense, a large number of already built housing is not inhabited, since their location does not suit many needy servicemen. The reasons may be different: the distance from the infrastructure, the inability to find work for the family members of the serviceman, an ecologically unattractive region, etc. For example, in the Podolsk district of the Moscow region for the military erected a whole neighborhood of housing, with the complete absence of the necessary social infrastructure and normal access roads.

Due to the fact that the period of free privatization of housing will soon come to an end (it will not last forever!) Another important problem arose for the servicemen - the privatization of existing housing. Since in the military departments the process of privatizing service housing can take (taking into account the need for court decisions) for several years, many soldiers will not be able to prepare the necessary documents in time. This is confirmed by the fact that a large number of military personnel for a long time, having the relevant decisions of the courts to provide housing, still have not received it.

And although public organizations are trying to help officers solve housing problems, the only hope is the willful decision of the current Minister of Defense S. Shoigu and the availability of financial resources to solve the housing issues of servicemen and retirees.

It is planned that from the year of 2014, the Ministry of Defense will fully switch to cash payments to homeless officers who will independently acquire housing. But in this step there is a hidden catch - if the amount is average throughout Russia, then it will be impossible to purchase housing in major cities.

According to experts, there are a lot of unused resources in Russia that could finance the housing program for servicemen. For example, the cost of building houses is very dependent on the payment for the land. If construction is carried out on land belonging to the Ministry of Defense, the cost of acquiring apartments will be much less.
There is another option: according to the law, the choice of the developer is carried out on a competitive basis. Why should one of the conditions of the auction not determine the number of square meters allocated by the developer free of charge for settling the families of military personnel?

Good managers believe that solving any problem has at least three solutions. Why are the leaders of the Ministry of Defense unable to find a way out of this situation for the strict implementation of the laws of the country to provide homeless officers with housing?

Materials used:
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/14530
http://www.doblest-chest.ru/home/item/116-zhile-dlya-voennosluzhashhix-pod-voprosom
http://www.rg.ru/2010/12/20/jilie-anons.html
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  1. Russian
    Russian 20 March 2013 09: 44
    +2
    We have not even provided all WWII veterans with housing, despite the fact that they have long promised to do so. Promises, promises ...
  2. Iraclius
    Iraclius 20 March 2013 10: 15
    +2
    They were touched by the words that everyone wants to leave and live in Moscow and Leningrad.
    and who offers housing to officers in regional centers? In my city, apartments have not been given since 2010.
    The greatest is in Samara. T.N. "Koshelevskie Dachi" is a three-storey residential building right at the entrance to the city. Who needs it?
    Not only are people fired for OSH and forget about them - what kind of employment is there? - they are also surprised that people then start to travel around the JO and write reports on changing their chosen place of residence in the Moscow Region. fool
  3. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 20 March 2013 10: 17
    +1
    I believe that the main problem is the organization of the work of JOE and its departments, and the professionalism of employees.
    There is a milk distribution and unexpected redistributions and other incidents ...
    individual support by a JO specialist is required for each waiting list, then it will be easier to resolve issues.
    Now, with the opening of regional branches, the process began to be more fun ... but not perfect.
  4. Iraclius
    Iraclius 20 March 2013 10: 38
    +3
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    There is a milk distribution and unexpected redistributions and other incidents ...

    A friend received 3 (!!!) notices and for all three apartments were already populated for a long time. good

    Quote: antiaircrafter
    individual support by a JO specialist is required for each waiting list, then it will be easier to resolve issues.

    Yeah, well. For example, in the CIA (Central Regional Administration - to bleat, who came up with these names for them?) - 4 (!!!) women are sitting on the whole army !!!
    There, crowds of people travel from other cities to leave back - not all documents are collected.
    And in JOE - 3 people, including the boss - they just physically do not have time to work out documents for all people. So that. recourse
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 20 March 2013 14: 15
      +2
      Quote: Iraclius
      Comrade came 3 (!!!)

      I also had ... so far 1 times.
      Quote: Iraclius
      sit 4 (!!!)

      Quote: Iraclius
      And in JOE - 3 person

      let the states increase!
      This is not a problem for military personnel. This is a problem for the leadership of the MO and JO.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 20 March 2013 14: 21
        +2
        So I am about the same. Departments and Central Departments are now physically unable to handle such an influx of documentation.
        After the liquidation of the KECh institute, by the way, many accounting cases were lost (!!!) now for many needy, a second saga of collecting documents begins. But, as always, the problems of the Sheriff Indians are not ...
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        let the states increase!

        The problem is that the states need to be increased almost everywhere you look. To do this is to officially recognize the reform of Medvedev & Serdyukov as harmful.
        At the current stage, I do not see a way out of the situation.
        Much indicates that in the near future the existing paradigm of providing housing will be destroyed and replaced by simple monetary compensation.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 20 March 2013 16: 17
          +1
          Quote: Iraclius
          for many those in need, a second saga begins

          Well it’s not so scary. I prepared the documents in half a day. In this sense, the 1280 order is more convenient than all the previous ones.
          Quote: Iraclius
          Much indicates that in the near future the existing paradigm of providing housing will be destroyed and replaced by simple monetary compensation.

          By 2014, this is likely to come to this. Representatives of JOE and do not hide. However, they can just scare to take what is.
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius 20 March 2013 16: 40
            0
            Quote: antiaircrafter
            Representatives of JOE and do not hide. However, they can just scare to take what is.

            Maybe they scare - ours, too, are frightened. But I do not think so. What reason should they lie? I personally know the head of JOE, have talked many times. He says that they have no reason to provide housing as quickly as possible by sucking in any slag. Since as soon as everyone is secured, they may be eliminated altogether as an institution - they are already engaged in mortgages only at the CIA.
            Yes, and how to make a person take housing where he or he will not sell or sell, but at a loss to himself? request
  5. Evrepid
    Evrepid 20 March 2013 11: 41
    +1
    Recently (a month ago) I watched a manifestation of officers near my house with posters requiring the issuance of housing.

    Housing was issued, and as it turned out, out of 150 issued apartments, 40 were immediately put up for rent ...

    A very strange situation. request
    This absolutely should not be! am

    Such facts discredit the program, military personnel and increase the negative attitude towards the military.

    I have absolutely no objection to housing for military personnel, but this is a fact on the face. :( repeat
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 20 March 2013 11: 51
      +1
      Hmm ... And it never occurred to you that these officers could already find work where they served? What do they have there friends, relatives? That they just wait three years and sell these apartments and buy there, where they wanted, not the state? Your logic is strange ...
      Such facts discredit the program, military personnel and increase the negative attitude towards the military.

      It’s all from lack of ownership. Grannies in the tram also think that the platoon commander receives 100 thousand a month and yet - what an insolence! - rides on a tram.
    2. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 20 March 2013 21: 37
      0
      and you don’t care where the officer deserves his honestly deserved housing ????
  6. Evrepid
    Evrepid 20 March 2013 11: 47
    +2
    "Why not determine the number of square meters allocated by the developer free of charge for the settlement of military families as one of the conditions of the auction?"

    According to housing legislation, some of the apartments are always allocated for social programs, even in commercial buildings for all 100 houses, i.e. under the provision of housing for socially needy changes in living conditions.

    All this stands out, but where does it go ... Another question. request recourse
  7. shurup
    shurup 20 March 2013 11: 57
    +3
    Officer capital is akin to parent capital, but is intended for the acquisition of real estate by dismissal.
    For current officers - surcharges to the salary for renting housing, corresponding to the point of service.
    Under capitalism they do not give, but pay. Where is the promised monetization of benefits?
    Figures subject to strict accounting do not believe in tears (Vasilieva weeps and asks to return the jewelry, because she is a weak woman in several rooms).
  8. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 20 March 2013 11: 58
    +1
    Due to the fact that the period of free privatization of housing will end soon (it will not last forever!), The military has another very important problem - the privatization of existing housing. Since in the military departments the process of privatization of official housing can take (taking into account the need for judicial decisions) several years,

    He received a service in December 28, the fifth year, he served longer than the roof, gave 5k, to a lawyer and in March the 17th he received a court decision, no problems hi .I think many people want to surpass themselves. Well, and I admit, I’m not even sure there are regions where not everything is so smooth and with a service but give an official almost everywhere. Prior to this, grandmothers and students and other dorms are 20 years old without 8 months.
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 20 March 2013 12: 09
      +1
      With official misfortune in so many places, who took out the air defense system. I will not be mistaken if I say that in the vast majority of garrisons there is a disaster with him. If where there is, then free housing you will find horseradish. I guess why. In the part where he served in the officer dormitory, who just didn’t dwell, this is a real gypsy camp. But to the young lieutenants you’ll drive horseradish there - there are no seats, sir. hi
      The term for free privatization, I heard, is going to be extended.
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 20 March 2013 14: 11
      0
      Quote: Kolyan 2
      the military has another very important problem - the privatization of existing housing.

      This problem is only for those who got into the army before the 1998 year - the rest have the right to provide housing for free. privatization is no longer required.
      1. neznayka
        neznayka 20 March 2013 17: 40
        0
        He applied for housing. Along with other problems, it was such that they did not want to accept documents unless you asked for social housing in the report. self-employed. I say why do I need your social. hiring - I want to own. Answer - the report form is specified in the law, or write this way, or free.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 24 March 2013 21: 55
          0
          Quote: neznayka
          Answer - the report form is specified in the law, or write this way, or free.

          They lie.
          Study the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 29.06.2011 No. 512 “On the Procedure for Recognizing Servicemen - Citizens of the Russian Federation Need for Housing as Required for the Entire Military Service with Service Housing and Providing Own Residential Housing for Free” and Order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation of 13.10.2011 No. 1850 “On the implementation of the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 29.06.2011 No. 512”
  9. gizz
    gizz 20 March 2013 15: 15
    0
    Speaking of the quality of housing provided. Of course, I understand that so many have nowhere to live at all but ... My sister is married to an officer. How many years did they achieve this apartment, spend not 17 tr but 15 times more (! For free housing) and what did they get? 2 rooms about the size of my corridor and kitchen (and I'm far from being a millionaire). This despite the fact that with different sex children should give a three-ruble note. Here is housing sad
  10. O_RUS
    O_RUS 20 March 2013 15: 26
    0
    "... Good managers believe that the solution to any problem has at least three solutions. Why, then, the leaders of the Ministry of Defense are not able to find a way out of this situation for the strict implementation of the laws of the country to provide homeless officers with housing?..."

    Not a desire to allocate funds for construction?
  11. Iraclius
    Iraclius 20 March 2013 15: 32
    0
    Let me give you one more not at all funny funny thing.
    In one city near Moscow, where they built a neighborhood for the military before the scandal with Slavyanka, the amount of compensation per meter of living space in the house was 36 thousand rubles. Some complain that even paid 50 thousand rubles. Now in the same houses and even entrances, the amount of compensation is 23700 p. - at the purchase price. No one can clearly explain such a terrible disagreement.
    That's it, comrades. yes
  12. Iraclius
    Iraclius 20 March 2013 16: 39
    0
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Representatives of JOE and do not hide. However, they can just scare to take what is.

    Maybe they scare - ours, too, are frightened. But I do not think so. What reason should they lie? I personally know the head of JOE, have talked many times. He says that they have no reason to provide housing as quickly as possible by sucking in any slag. Since as soon as everyone is secured, they may be eliminated altogether as an institution - they are already engaged in mortgages only at the CIA.
    Yes, and how to make a person take housing where he or he will not sell or sell, but at a loss to himself? request
  13. Shumer
    Shumer 20 March 2013 21: 13
    0
    In Russia, at least somehow the housing issue is being solved, with brakes, but it is moving slowly. In Ukraine, we do not go further than empty promises - the Minister of Defense - "Lads, everything will be fine, we will solve the housing issue!" - the president - "I will provide the army with housing!" - and so on in a circle every new elections and change of MO.
  14. bublic82009
    bublic82009 20 March 2013 22: 29
    0
    So what? I live in a house built by the Moscow Region and served by Slavyanka. entrances are killed. elevators break. yards are not cleaned. garbage is not taken out. Serdyukov drove us to the reservation. one house wanted to break out. Yes it wasn’t there. holds the cold hand of Slavyanka by the throats of retirees. and the local administration is in no hurry to take the house under its wing. and new homes for 5-7 years!
  15. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 21 March 2013 06: 59
    0
    many openly said we did not send you what you want from us. and then I didn’t give -10 percent of the cost and stayed without an apartment, I stood in line since 1997 and then transferred to another one who needed to improve housing. I still improve it. For me it would be better to give out current money at market value. Money judging by how they steal there, the currents go to the wrong place and not to those who need it. I think there is no one-sided solution to the problem, those who want to take monetary compensation need to be given the opportunity. even some families have broken up because of these problems. There is one more problem: why do they give only insurance part from labor pensions, but we worked for the draft and the termination field until 60 years old, so why for all this experience a full pension is not paid, but only the insurance part. who can answer