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Kazakhstan's small army is unlikely to be able to withstand hypothetical opponents

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Kazakhstan's small army is unlikely to be able to withstand hypothetical opponentsThe Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan (RK) were established by decree of President Nursultan Nazarbayev of 7 in May of 1992. They are based on ground forces, air defense forces and naval forces. In addition, the military organization of the state includes other troops and military formations, the total number of which is close to the army.


The Kazakhstani armed forces were created on the basis of military objects deployed on the territory of the Kazakh SSR, formations and units of the Central Asian Military District of the Soviet Union. Independent Kazakhstan went to the army, which numbered about 200 thousands of personnel and had modern strategic weapons and powerful arsenals of conventional weapons.

15 May 1992 Kazakhstan, together with Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, signed the Collective Security Treaty.

In 1992, the republic abandoned nuclear weapons and it was decided to withdraw strategic weapons to Russia. 13 December 1993 of the year The Supreme Council of Kazakhstan adopted a resolution “On accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons”. In February-April of the 1994, all the nuclear warheads and Tu-95MS bombers were redeployed to Russian territory.

Doctrine

The system of fundamental views that determine the policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the field of defense security is presented in the military doctrine. The first is approved by presidential decree 11 February 1993 of the year, the second - 21 March 2007 th, and now the current 11 October 2011 th. The military doctrine of Kazakhstan is defensive in nature. Consistent commitment to peace is combined with a determination to protect national interests and guarantee the country's military security.

The document states that the military security of the Republic of Kazakhstan is ensured by pursuing a policy of cooperation and good neighborly relations between countries, their equality and non-interference in each other’s internal affairs, the peaceful resolution of international disputes, the refusal to use the first armed force, and the strengthening of the state’s military organization forecasted threats, identifying and using the most effective forms and methods for neutralizing them.

As part of the implementation of the directions defined by the doctrines, a significant amount of measures have been taken to ensure military security, improve the military organization of the state, and build few but technically equipped and highly mobile armed forces.

The current version emphasizes that the range of military and military-technical cooperation with Russia, China, the United States and other states is expanding in the interests of strengthening national and regional security. The document lists possible external threats:

  • In Central Asia, there are prerequisites for the exacerbation of the situation due to the continuing instability in Afghanistan, the tense socio-political situation in the region, the presence of border-territorial and water problems, economic, religious and other contradictions in the context of imperfect mechanisms to resolve them;
  • the unresolved issue of the legal status of the Caspian Sea, the desire of some Caspian states to increase their military potential and the presence of disputed oil fields may in the long run exacerbate the military-political situation in the region;
  • expansion of the influence of military-political organizations and unions to the detriment of the military security of Kazakhstan;
  • the activities of international terrorist and radical organizations and groups, including cyber-terrorism, strengthening the position of religious extremism in neighboring countries;
  • the implementation by individual states of programs for the creation of weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery, the illegal distribution of technologies, equipment and components used for their production, as well as dual-use technologies.

    Internal threats include:

  • the activities of extremist, nationalist and separatist movements, organizations and structures aimed at destabilizing the internal situation in the country, changing the constitutional order using the methods of armed violence;
  • the creation and activities of illegal armed groups;
  • illegal distribution of weapons, ammunition, explosives and other means that can be used for sabotage, terrorist acts or other illegal actions.

    At the same time, the Republic of Kazakhstan believes that no state is a potential adversary for it.

    It is assumed that in low-intensity military conflicts, the armed forces, other troops and military units of the country will be used, as a rule, to localize the focus of tension and stop hostilities at the earliest possible stage in order to create conditions for resolving conflicts by peaceful means, and to eliminate illegal armed groups. , normalization of the situation, restoration of law and order, ensuring public safety, providing the population with the necessary assistance.

    Medium intensity military conflict against the Republic of Kazakhstan can be unleashed with the aim of undermining the administrative, economic and defense potential, seizing or establishing control over certain territories, forcing the state to significant political, economic and other concessions. Participation in such a conflict may require the introduction of martial law throughout the territory of Kazakhstan or in certain areas and the announcement of partial or general mobilization, the use of all or a significant part of the military-economic potential of the state.

    A high-intensity conflict against Kazakhstan can be unleashed with radical military and political goals: a change of political power in the country, disorganization of the state and military control system, the rejection of a large part of the territory, the complete destruction of the state defense potential. In the event of a conflict of high intensity, the republic will seek to use the coalition capabilities and the potential of collective military security systems to which it is a party.

    In terms of international military cooperation, the military doctrine of Kazakhstan provides for:

    completion of the formation of a regulatory legal base in the field of military and military-technical cooperation with the member states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, based on the need to consolidate efforts to create a common defense space and ensure collective military security, as well as further development of the forces and means of the CSTO;
    deepening the strategic partnership in the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization on the basis of common military-political interests;
    expansion of cooperation in the military and military-technical field with the United States of America and the states of the European Union.

      Structure

    Since February, 2001, all troops are directly subordinate to the Chief of General Staff, and the Minister of Defense performs administrative and political functions. The Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces is the President of Kazakhstan.

    It is necessary to take into account that the exact quantitative and qualitative composition of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan is secret information. Therefore, all these estimates are taken from publicly published sources.

    The number of armed forces is 49 thousand, including ground forces - 30 thousand, air defense (Air Force and Air Defense) - 12 thousand, naval forces - about three thousand, the central office of the Ministry of Defense - four thousand.

    The term of compulsory military service is two years. The draft age and the minimum age for voluntary contractual service are 18 years.

    The male population from 16 to 49 is 4,16 million, of whom 2,92 million are considered suitable for military service. Every year, thousands of men reach 125,3 military age.

    In 2010, the military budget was 1,1 percent of gross domestic product, which was equal to 204,9 billion dollars at purchasing power parity. In 2012, Kazakhstan's GDP at purchasing power parity was 232,3 billion, at the official exchange rate - 200,6 billion, and likely military spending could reach 2,56 billion at purchasing power parity and 2,21 billion dollars at the official exchange rate.

    Ground troops

    The Ground Forces (SV) of Kazakhstan total 30 thousand people. They are united in 15 brigades: 10 mechanized and motorized rifle, four assault and one peacekeeping. The SV also includes seven artillery brigades, two missile brigades, two anti-tank brigades, one brigade of operational tactical missiles, one brigade of coastal defense and three engineering battalions.

    All of them are deployed in four regional commands: "Astana", "East", "West" and "South".

    "Astana" (headquarters - Karaganda) is the reserve rate of the Supreme Commander. It is subject to a separate motorized rifle brigade in Karaganda.

    Vostok (headquarters - Semipalatinsk) includes the 4th mechanized brigade (Ust-Kamenogorsk), the Separate motorized rifle brigade (Ucharal), the Separate tank brigade (Ayaguz) - probably reorganized into a mechanized brigade, as well as the 1st and 3rd bases of storage of military equipment, a separate reconnaissance battalion, cannon artillery brigade, anti-aircraft missile brigade, 120th combined arms range.

    "West" (headquarters - Atyrau) - 390-th brigade of coastal defense (Aktau) and an artillery brigade (Aktobe).

    “South” (headquarters - Taraz) - 5 th motorized rifle brigade in Taraz, two separate motorized rifle battalions, mountain hunters' battalion and 210 th training center “Guards” near the village of Otar.

    Airborne troops (AV) are considered as a reserve of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, which is designed to respond quickly to crises in the event of sharp changes in the military-political situation and to strengthen troop groups. Their number is about six thousand in four airborne assault and one peacekeeping brigade. The 35-I separate air assault brigade is stationed in Kapchagai, the 36-I - in Astana, the 37-I - in Taldykorgan, the 38-I - in Almaty. The AB also includes the Kazbrig peacekeeping brigade deployed in the Kapshagay garrison. In 2003 – 2008, a separate special engineering engineer detachment carried out a peacekeeping mission as part of a multinational force in Iraq. During this time, one officer died and several peacekeepers were injured. In 1992 – 2001, the combined Kazakh battalion was in Gorno-Badakhshan and performed the combat task of guarding the Tajik-Afghan border as part of the peacekeeping forces in Tajikistan. 54 people were killed there, including during the 7 battle on April 1995 in the Pshira gorge of the Pamir 17 killed killed a company of internal troops. The airborne troops also included a separate reconnaissance battalion in Taldykorgan and a separate communications battalion in the village of Shilikemir, Almaty region.

    Armed with ground forces is the following armored vehicles: tanks T 980-72, 140 BRDM-2, 140-BRM 1k, BMP 730-1, 700 BMP-2, 90 BTR-80A, 2 BTR-3U (E), 180 MT XB, 180 BTR-70 and BTR-80, 40 American all-terrain vehicles HMMWV.

    Self-propelled artillery represented Soviet 120 122-mm ACS 2S1M "Carnation, 120 152-mm 2S3" Acacia "and 6 122-mm SAU" Semser "Kazakhstan production and 25 Soviet 120-mm ACS 2S9" Nona-C ', capable of shooting both shells and mines.

    There are 400 122 mm D-30 howitzers cannons, 180 152 anchs of aktomanscan XHUMXX2 "Xyntint-B", 36 ak ak 90A152 "Msta-B" aprons and 2 aprons of howitzer 65X145 of aprons;

    The anti-tank weapon is represented by 68 100-mm anti-tank guns MT-12, as well as a significant number of anti-tank complexes 9K111 "Fagot", 9K113 "Konkurs", 9K115 "Metis".

    Kazakhstan has tactical missiles X-23, X-25, X-29 and anti-radar missiles X-28 and X-58 and 12 tactical missile systems 9-79 “Tochka”.

    The republic also has rocket artillery systems: 150 122-mm BM-21 "Grad" (50 is still in conservation), 180 220-mm BM-27 "Hurricane", 18 300-mm BM-30 "Smerch".

    Air Defense Forces

    The air defense forces of Kazakhstan include the air force, air defense troops and radio engineering troops.

    The Air Force has two regiments of fighters, three regiments of attack aircraft, one regiment of scouts and one command of the transport aviationas well as three regiments (training, attack and transport helicopters). They are armed with 162 combat-ready aircraft. This number includes 97 fighters (16 MiG-25, 39 MiG-29 and MiG-29UB, 42 MiG-31 and MiG-31BM), 53 attack aircraft (14 Su-24, 25 Su-27, 14 Su-25), 14 scouts of the Su-24MR. Transport aviation is represented by two Tu-134 and one Tu-154. Training aviation is represented by 12 L-39s and four Yak-18s.

    The average flight time of pilots is one hundred hours per year. The aircraft are armed with P-60, P-73, P-27, P-33, P-77 air-to-air missiles.

    The squadron of attack helicopters has more than 40 Mi-24В, nine of which are upgraded. The squadron of transport helicopters includes 50 Mi-8, 20 Mi-171В5 and six Bell-205.

    The air defense forces have 20 anti-aircraft missile systems 2K12 “Cube” and more 27 2K11 “Circle”, up to 10 C-300 PMU2, 100 C-75М “Volkhov” and C-125 “Neva” complexes.

    Naval forces

    The Navy of Kazakhstan has three thousand people. The main base is the port of Aktau on the Caspian Sea. They include the marine corps, coastal artillery and the Caspian flotilla. Naval aviation has Mi-8, Mi-2 helicopters.

    16 patrol boats, two minesweepers, two hydrographic boats are stationed in the port of Bautino.

    The flagship of the Caspian flotilla is the 0250 “Bars-MO” rocket-artillery ship, built at the Zenit factory in Uralsk. It also includes three Sea Delphin artillery boats purchased from South Korea, one Turk-type artillery boat, the XHAUM hydrographic vessel ZHAIK, purchased from Russia in 01340 and built in Astrakhan, as well as the Zhambul hydrographic boat of the project 2008, built on the Zenith in 101, and another boat of the same type should be delivered shortly.

    The four landing craft were transferred to Kazakhstan by the United States in 2009 for free under the cooperation program between the Ministries of Defense of the two countries.

    Soon, the navy of Kazakhstan will be replenished with three South Korean rocket boats of the Yoon Young-ha type and six Russian rocket-artillery ships of the 21632 “Tornado” type. In addition, the flotilla will receive the multipurpose vessel Bulan of the 0310 project, which the Zenit plant will commission in 2014, and the mine-sweeping ship of the Kormoran 2 project, which is expected to arrive from Poland in 2013.

    The naval forces include border boats (perhaps some of them are part of the border service). Four 2 rank ships of the 0300 “Bars” project produced in Kazakhstan, boats — seven Burkit (“Grif”) of the 0200 project, (the 22180 project) and three FC-19 projects, as well as small boats — two Karlygash (КС-701), one of “Shagal”, 18 “Sapsan-M” and “Sapsan-2М”, four “Sunkar” (“Kalkan”) and one “Sagym” of the 190 project. In addition, foreign-made vessels - three patrol boats from the 369 project from Germany, three boats from the SAFE Boats International project, one from the Donotels project and 15 airboats from the United States. In the near future, seven Aybar boats of the 0210 project (also known as the Sobol of the 12200 project), which Zenit is to build, one 2 ship of the 0300 Bars project, two boats of the FC-19 project, will be among the border boats. and 15 Sagym project 190.

    Military units of other departments

    In addition to the Ministry of Defense in Kazakhstan, paramilitary forces have republican guards (2,5 thousands of people, including 2 thousands - presidential guards, 500 people - government guards), internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan (20 thousands of people possessing Mi-171 helicopters), KNB border guard service RK (nine thousand people). The 1 Brigade of the Republican Guard is deployed in Almaty, and the 2 Brigade and the government guard battalion are in Astana. The structure of the internal troops includes a special unit "Berkut", performing mainly the tasks of the army special forces.

    Defense Industrial Complex

    Kazakhstani military industrial complex is capable of producing or upgrading self-propelled artillery mounts, armored personnel carriers, fighters and Soviet-made missiles, as well as small ships.

    It is assumed that in the 2012 – 2015 years, the republic’s armed forces will receive mainly foreign models - transport aircraft: 10 CASA C-295 and 12 C-130 Super Hercules, Sukhoi Super Jet 100 and IL-96, 30 fighter jets MIG-29XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX-2 XHUMXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX of X-NumberNXX XG of 30 400 100 and 4 C-XNUMX divisions, as well as XNUMX BTR-XNUMX, assembled in Kazakhstan.

    A good example of joint production is the release of the Petropavlovsk Heavy Machinery Plant (PZTM JSC) in 2008 – 2012 380 of Naiza multiple rocket launcher systems developed in Israel.

    The development of the military-industrial complex is hampered by the lack of a sufficient number of specialists and by the isolation of all enterprises from other former Soviet, primarily Russian, enterprises.
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    1. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek 19 March 2013 12: 09
      +7
      this is probably why Kazakhstan is in the CSTO. And what are the hypothetical threats? If China - then they produce an economic takeover
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 12: 17
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        Quote: Ragnarek
        And what are the hypothetical threats?

        The author also talks about unleashing warriors against Kazakhstan, who, when, why ??? Now to unleash a warrior against Kazakhstan is tantamount to declaring a Russian warrior.
        Okay, I put the author a plus for the work on the number of weapons and all that, but he was too clever with a warrior hi
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 19 March 2013 12: 26
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Okay, I put the author a plus for the work on the number of weapons

          Sasha, the figure of 30 S-400 motions on arms deliveries 2012-2015 did not surprise you belay ?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 13: 10
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            the figure of 30 S-400 slogans about arms deliveries 2012-2015 did not surprise you

            Yes there is a typo, rather 3
            1. Beck
              Beck 19 March 2013 15: 26
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              Article as an echo of the Cold War. Enemies are all around, a little bit more and smoke and flame.

              The army of Kazakhstan is an institution of any sovereign state. Kazakhstan is not going to fight with anyone. There are no territorial or other claims against neighbors. Emerging current problems are resolved through a dilogue.

              Statistical paucity of the army of Kazakhstan. For the world nuclear conflict in the world, only armies of 7-8 countries are designed. So, even though the two-million-strong army is good? And for the theater of Central Asia and what is enough. (Of course, God forbid apply). And on the hypothetical Mujahideen of Afghanistan, which can gush (according to the predictions of the patriots, after the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan) is enough. And China, for the sake of capturing Kazakhstan, will not start a nuclear war.

              The main defense of Kazakhstan is the agreement of Kazakhstan, Russia, USA, China.

              In 1992, Kazakhstan renounced possession of nuclear weapons and it was exported to Russia. In exchange for the rejection of nuclear weapons from Russia, the United States, and China, they acted as guarantors of the territorial integrity of Kazakhstan, the inviolability of its borders, and the suppression of any aggression against Kazakhstan from anyone.

              That's how Nazarbayev tied three nuclear giants. Neither Russia, nor the USA, nor China can by themselves violate the terms of this agreement and encroach on the sovereignty of Kazakhstan. Since they will automatically enter into a confrontation with each other. Do they need this? Especially because of Kazakhstan. What other problems are few? For them, the main thing is that Kazakhstan is nuclear-free.
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 March 2013 16: 14
                +7
                Well, Beck, well done, "Nazarbayev tied three giants" - a good phrase, I immediately remembered the analogy of how the Poles tied the USSR, Fash. Germany and Britain, before the next partition. In general, the brightest representative of politics "both ours and yours" is the late Muammar Gaddafi. He was friends with Silvio and Nicolas, Ahmadinejad and Chavez, admired Hillary and dreamed of converting Putin to Islam. So everyone wanted to be friends with him and his oil, so they tore them apart.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 19 March 2013 17: 11
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                  Quote: hrych
                  Well, Beck, well done, "Nazarbayev mated three giants"


                  So you didn’t in the sense read my phrase. In the sense that Nazarbayev, having abandoned nuclear weapons, ensured the sovereignty of Kazakhstan and its territorial integrity. And you are about some kind of Kadaffi.

                  And where does the personal friendship with Ahmadinejad and others. Here at the state level. Not Yeltsin is responsible for the contract, but Russia. Not Bush Senior, but USA. Not Jian Zemin, but China.

                  And what does it have to do with "yours and ours"? To the wrong steppe. Who would benefit from the fact that Kazakhstan did not have two divisions of strategic missiles of the Satan silo launch, the 38th and 57th divisions? And these are 48 missiles, each with 8 nuclear warheads. A total of 384 warheads. Who would benefit from the absence of the 79th Heavy Bomber Aviation Division in Kazakhstan - 40 Tu-95s and 240 nuclear cruise missiles for them. TO WHOM?

                  First of all, Russia and China, and then the USA .. By the way, England and France also joined guarantees on the territorial integrity of Kazakhstan and the inviolability of its borders, besides Russia, the USA and China. In general, the whole big five nuclear powers.

                  It was beneficial to everyone, and they gave guarantees. And the nuclear weapons of the former in Kazakhstan were not destroyed, but exported to Russia as well as all 40 Tu-95s. What Russia was bad from this?

                  Well, why compare the big deal with nonsense.
                  1. CAPILATUS
                    CAPILATUS 19 March 2013 18: 15
                    +1
                    Yes of course. Nazarbayev is so kind and wise that rrraz! and refused expensive weapons and gave back to Russia. And the fact that the contents of nuclear weapons and subsequent disposal cost a pretty penny, you probably forgot? Wise and prudent move - got rid of unnecessary expenses.
                    No illusions - Nazarbayev presented the republic with sovereignty not by getting rid of nuclear weapons, but by allowing foreign companies to develop and extract Kazakhstan’s resources
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 19 March 2013 18: 57
                      +6
                      Quote: CAPILATUS
                      Yes of course. Nazarbayev is so kind and wise that rrraz! and refused expensive weapons and gave back to Russia. And the fact that the contents of nuclear weapons and subsequent disposal cost a pretty penny, you probably forgot? Wise and prudent move - got rid of unnecessary expenses.


                      And this was taken into account. If easier. Why have nuclear weapons to ensure security, and even spend money on maintenance if you can abandon nuclear weapons and get the same security guarantees from leading countries of the world.

                      And what does Russia keep foreign companies out of? Only the Kremlin heard the desire for more investment to come to Russia.

                      In addition, no foreign company can give official guarantees to another state in territorial integrity. This is the prerogative of the power structures of the state.
                  2. hrych
                    hrych 19 March 2013 18: 54
                    +2
                    Well, at the expense he refused, it is loudly said, it was not even the Kremlin that was forced, at that time it was liquid manure, but the winners of the Cold War, and Russia, like a sotelite, was forced to take control of nuclear weapons, because the specter of nuclear terrorism and the prospect of harmful states like Zimbabwe loomed get your own charge at a cheap price, and even with a delivery vehicle. Regrettably, about the policy "for ours, and for him and his friend," there is a place to be and is aimed at freezing benefits from Russia, this will not work with the United States and China. And so it’s better than relations between Russia and Kazakhstan in the post-council and not find, except that the daddy. And the guarantor of the integrity of Kazakhstan is Russia and only, the rest of the colonial predators, at least one white and snickering, the other red and hungry. A 200 thousand normal army would be more modern technology.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 19 March 2013 19: 13
                      +8
                      Quote: hrych
                      And it’s better than the relations of Russia and Kazakhstan in the post-Soviet council and can’t be found, except that the Old Man. And the guarantor of the integrity of Kazakhstan is Russia and only the rest of the colonial predators, at least one white and snickering, the other red and hungry.


                      What did you write about the possible spread of nuclear weapons from the territory of Kazakhstan, and that was. After all, everything was considered comprehensively. Everyone considered both the pros and cons. There were much more minuses if Kazakhstan had nuclear weapons left. That's agreed.

                      The fact that Russia is a thousand-year-old neighbor to Kazakhstan and currently the closest partner and ally is no WORD. Cleverly, it should be so. But read the comments of the hurray-patriots - give Kazakhstan the "primordial" Russian lands of the north of Kazakhstan .. Yes, you are natives. Yes, we taught you to piss in the wind. Etc.

                      So the zealous owner is always what no stock should be. Paper contract pocket does not pull. So, let the guarantee agreement given by the five leading countries of the world lie to itself.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 19 March 2013 19: 19
                        +2
                        Paper in your pocket will always come in handy, especially if it hurts in the steppe. Joke.
                        1. Earthman
                          Earthman 21 March 2013 07: 40
                          +1
                          Quote: hrych
                          Paper in your pocket will always come in handy, especially if it hurts in the steppe. Joke.

                          They did not think with their head why the West does not offer its DEMOCRACY in the steppes of Kazakhstan? think so. Now imagine that K left the nuclear potential still. Do not you think that in this case, Mr. would have turned into Syria or Iraq, or Libya or Iran. Now think further with your head. Why is Iran haunted? and is Iran Islamic safe?
                        2. Ram chandra
                          Ram chandra April 19 2013 10: 08
                          +2
                          Quote: Earthman
                          and is Iran Islamic safe?

                          Quote: Earthman
                          and is Islam safe

                          It’s completely unsafe. And Kazakhstan does not need it. I hope that in the future people will reason and give up religion with us. And the percentage of atheists will become larger - as with all progressive countries, by the way.
                    2. Nevsky
                      Nevsky 19 March 2013 19: 28
                      +1
                      By the way, they taught me how to write in the wind, that's why you have to watch the video about the video! good

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU7KvO0SnI
                      1. kostella85
                        kostella85 19 March 2013 20: 12
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                        Quote: Nevsky
                        so here's why about the video, watch to the end!

                        belay Thanks for the link!!! Great video, everything puts in its place !!!! belay
                  3. Earthman
                    Earthman 21 March 2013 07: 36
                    0
                    Quote: hrych
                    they even forced the Kremlin, at that time it was liquid manure, and the winners of the Cold War, and Russia, like Acelite, was forced to take control of nuclear weapons, because the specter of nuclear terrorism and the prospect of harmful states like Zimbabwe loomed their charge at a cheap price, yes still with a delivery vehicle

                    Again, this theory of conspiracy in the minds of Russians. again, the West was spread by the USSR, Yeltsin was six west, Gorbachev six, but it never dawns on anyone that the rulers of the USSR were the most illiterate and ignorant, and those still had power in their hands, of course collapse the country itself and Soviet-style socialism has outlived itself
                  4. Ram chandra
                    Ram chandra April 19 2013 10: 04
                    +1
                    Well, actually .. Russia is also a "colonial predator". The truth is already your own - familiar and familiar.
        2. Trailer
          Trailer 19 March 2013 15: 30
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          the number in the 30 of the C-400 motions on the supply of weapons of the 2012-2015 did not surprise belay?


          And why should she surprise? Russia itself supplies them:

          Russia and Kazakhstan are creating a unified regional air defense system. The corresponding agreement on Wednesday, January 30, in Astana was signed by the defense ministers of the two countries - Sergei Shoigu and Adilbek Dzhaksybekov.

          The entry into force of this document will create the basis for ensuring the security of the airspace of Kazakhstan and, accordingly, the border territory of Russia, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan said.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 19 March 2013 16: 27
            +2
            Quote: Karavan
            And why should she surprise? Russia itself supplies them
            True, plus a certain amount - directly to Kazakhstan ... but then. "Russia will begin delivering S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems to Belarus and Kazakhstan after 2015. By this time, serial production of air defense systems will begin at new plants in Russia itself. Missile defense system for the Air-Space Defense Forces S-400 and S-500, "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" writes about this, citing a source in the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation. "With the start of serial production at factories of this product, we will need weapons by 2020, re-equip up to 30 anti-aircraft missile regiments on the S-400 system and supply about ten divisions of the S-500 systems to the VKO troops, the source said. “As we meet the needs of the Aerospace Defense Forces for new weapons after 2015, we will be able to start delivering S-400 systems to Belarus and Kazakhstan.”
            Russia and Kazakhstan are planning to create a joint air defense system (Air Defense), so Astana will be able to buy S-400 systems from Moscow
            http://tengrinews.kz/sng/kazahstan-poluchit-pervyie-zenitno-raketnyie-kompleksyi
            -s-400 - posle-2015-goda-207089 /
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 17: 53
        +3
        There are enough errors in the article. Starting with the small ones - regarding the number of humves (120, not 40) and ending with an absolutely unforgivable mistake about the term of service in the army - they serve one year in Kazakhstan.
        Plus, where did the author decide that KZ was going to buy Hercules? This thought roamed four years ago and has long been rejected. Apparently, the author simply plucked up Old from different age articles, without bothering to carefully examine the topic.
        on many more points you can get to the bottom - for example, the topic of the military-industrial complex is covered very figuratively, etc.

        In short, this work could be done better.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 01
          +5
          In addition, some types of equipment were not noted at all (for example, they mentioned Humvee, but did not mention Shots, Cobras, Land Rovers). Significantly reduced the number of aircraft. Do not take into account canned equipment, etc.
    2. Logs
      Logs 19 March 2013 14: 46
      +7
      As long as there is Russia, I think Kazakhstan has nothing to fear!
      1. Earthman
        Earthman 21 March 2013 07: 41
        0
        Quote: Logs
        As long as there is Russia, I think Kazakhstan has nothing to fear!

        Ha ha ha very clever
    3. ivanov17
      ivanov17 20 January 2017 17: 38
      0
      Boris Sokolov is not the "historian" who wrote about 30 million Red Army soldiers who died on the fields of the Second World War?
      Quote: Ragnarek
      this is probably why Kazakhstan is in the CSTO. And what are the hypothetical threats? If China - then they produce an economic takeover
  • Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 19 March 2013 12: 12
    +5
    they have an ally Russia, and it costs a lot
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 March 2013 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      they have an ally Russia, and it costs a lot

      They have a good ally in the person of Russia.
      Only recently something very strongly Turkic motifs began to sound in the tunes of Kazakh political figures.
      As usual, what is ours and yours?
      1. avt
        avt 19 March 2013 13: 35
        +4
        Quote: baltika-18
        Only recently something very strongly Turkic motifs began to sound in the tunes of Kazakh political figures.
        As usual, what is ours and yours?

        So this is the usual practice of building a mono-ethnic state, plus the post-imperial syndrome. The current leadership still has fresh memories of those times when, for example, the whole world listened to Shevardnadze’s confused speech in an attempt to understand what he meant there. Well, since they don’t have any place in the leadership of Russia, they are running from pan-Turkism to the euras. But the Atamans from Turkey, as practice has shown, will also give way to hell at the helm. Hungary remains, they couldn’t get up on the Finno-Ugric topic, now they called themselves Turks, they drove Nazarbayev’s ears, maybe money will roll away. The national elite will not refuse , that’s how Yanukovych sells everything, but will remain non-competitive. Well, yes it’s their business. The main thing is to be prepared for the next Amer’s drug revolution.
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 19 March 2013 15: 14
      -7
      But for some reason Kazakhstan tends to cooperate with the USA? And for some reason - "The development of the military-industrial complex is hindered ... ... the isolation of all enterprises for other former Soviet, first of all, Russian ". The Russians, it turns out, do not help the development of the military-industrial complex, but hinder ?! Well, build your factories, or continue to raise the US economy, and they, at the right time, will" send "a signal to their" programmed microcircuits "and your planes will start bombing you, or self-destruct ...
  • GM.kz
    GM.kz 19 March 2013 12: 20
    +8
    My good acquaintance officer kaz. The army said that they conducted a study of the defense capabilities of their army and came to the conclusion that China will destroy Kazakhstan in 15 minutes and if our big brother (Russia) does not help us, then we are doomed and so all the highest ranks in the army believe. Hope for a big brother is the whole doctrine.
    1. Goga
      Goga 19 March 2013 12: 35
      +3
      GM.kz - Colleague, Russia has also significantly reduced its Armed Forces, and why spend huge money on maintaining conventional Armed Forces if there is nuclear weapons and serious armed conflicts are simply ruled out, and for such "eagles" as the Georgian President is enough and what is. Kazakhstan, along with Belarus, is Russia's closest ally, therefore, it is located under its nuclear "umbrella" and they also have enough of the Armed Forces that they currently have. So all these sobs - if tomorrow is a war (and even with China!) - these are conversations from a series - and if grandmother had a member, then .... None of possible serious opponents - neither NATO nor China as long as the nuclear weapons of Russia is in a combat-ready state simply cannot take any drastic actions against the CSTO members hi
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 19 March 2013 13: 13
        +5
        Quote: Gogh

        GM.kz - Colleague, Russia has also significantly reduced its Armed Forces, and why spend huge money on the maintenance of conventional Armed Forces if there is nuclear weapons and serious armed conflicts are simply excluded, and for such "eagles" as the Georgian President, there is enough


        absolutely right !!
        And for small countries to fight with Russia is suicide!
        1. Goga
          Goga 19 March 2013 14: 13
          +2
          Yarbay - Hello Alibek! - quote - "... to fight with Russia is suicide!" - and not only with Russia, an attack on any country with more or less advanced nuclear weapons and means of their delivery is suicide. Nuclear weapons, of course, are a deeply immoral thing in itself, but today it is the only thing that keeps the world from general slaughter ... belay
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 March 2013 15: 12
            +1
            Quote: Gogh
            quote - "... to fight with Russia is suicide!" -

            Hi Igor!
            I wrote in that comment not about nuclear weapons, but about even conventional weapons !!
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 March 2013 14: 12
        +1
        Quote: Gogh
        Kazakhstan, along with Belarus, is Russia's closest ally, therefore, it is located under its nuclear "umbrella" and they also have enough of the Armed Forces that they now have

        It is far from a fact that in the event of aggression by the PRC against Kazakhstan, Russia will decide to use nuclear weapons. And besides nuclear weapons there is nothing to stop China.
        1. hrych
          hrych 19 March 2013 16: 35
          +4
          China has a 2 millionth army, although one of the largest, but the millionth Russian army is even commensurate and overwhelming in size, especially if they start an offensive operation with marching thousands of kilometers, it will be very difficult to achieve, even without using our missile nuclear sword. Well, 200 thousand Kazakhs to help us if that or we to them. Just do not talk about the opportunity to gather 200 million army with hoes and nunchucks. The Chinese army is 1/2 to us, and the population is 1/10, Suvorov would just laugh at you.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 19 March 2013 17: 05
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            but the million-strong Russian army is even commensurate in size and overwhelming superiority, especially if they start an offensive operation with marching thousands of kilometers, it will not be easy for them to achieve, even without the use of our nuclear missile sword

            Are you kidding me? Or do you not know the real state of affairs in the army?
            Yes, for us to quickly transfer 3-4 motorized rifle brigades (the same in which 41 tanks) will be a great achievement. What will we stop the PLA in the Kazakh steppes?
            Well, perhaps the main weapon of capitalist Russia is OMON. smile
            And then with the aim that the Chinese soldiers would die laughing when they saw such an "enemy"
            1. hrych
              hrych 19 March 2013 19: 05
              +4
              Well, you still need to get to the Kazakh steppes, the Great Sholkovy is the only and difficult way, and for the transfer of armies is not a gift. The real state of affairs in the army - read our website: Northwind on the descent, Yars on duty, etc. Not so bad. And do not forget who the Russian soldier is, the winner, and who is the Chinese. Who freed the Chinese from the Quantum? Many say that now this is not important, but since M, Yu. Lermontov, as he wrote about timid Georgians 150 years ago, so they abandoned tanks with fashionable devices, and even Hammers with staffing high technology. The weapons were the same, they were even more modern, their number was greater, but the darling was not enough.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 March 2013 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: GM.kz

      My good acquaintance officer kaz. Army said that they conducted a study of the defenses of their army and concluded that China would destroy Kazakhstan in 15 minutes


      and which country with identical opportunities like Kazakhstan can last longer ??
      1. Fox
        Fox 19 March 2013 17: 09
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        and which country with identical opportunities

        Chile .... in 15 minutes, the Chinese will not get to them! wink
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 March 2013 13: 55
      +4
      Well then, put out the light. The Russian army will not be able to turn around in 15 minutes.
    4. knn54
      knn54 19 March 2013 16: 56
      +8
      According to the Soviet doctrine (in 1982), we could stop China somewhere near Kopchegay (Alma-Ata region) and then after the use of nuclear weapons ...
      The Kazakh army is stronger than the Uzbek, but Uzbekistan has the largest mobilization reserves in the region. The geopolitical situation in Central Asia is such that a strong army will not hinder Kazakhstan at all. The scale of terrorism is such that it is almost impossible to do without an army. Kazakhstan will have to defend Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan (so far only Russia defends them, which do not have common borders with these countries), which themselves are not capable of defending themselves in principle. Being the most successful CIS country, Kazakhstan has the opportunity to create armed forces that occupy the second or third place among the post-Soviet countries in terms of combat potential.
    5. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 March 2013 19: 24
      +2
      Actually SAVO USSR was also not designed for long
    6. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 11
      +3
      Quote: GM.kz
      My good acquaintance officer kaz. Army said that they conducted a study of the defenses of their army and concluded that China would destroy Kazakhstan in 15 minutes

      complete frank nonsense - and about the study, and about 15 minutes.
  • 689valera
    689valera 19 March 2013 12: 21
    -1
    They, unlike us, have at least a BMPT Terminator for armament.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 19 March 2013 15: 21
      0
      I put you (-), but he wasn’t, for some reason they didn’t protect ...
  • S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 19 March 2013 12: 25
    +5
    Again we are trying to teach the lives of our neighbors. Perhaps this would be reasonable if they themselves had order. And so it turns out one beggar, another beggar teaches money to increase wink .
    How is our army ready to "confront hypothetical opponents" in the person of a hypothetical NATO or China?
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 19 March 2013 15: 24
      -1
      Well, the goals have been designated, the Army is being cleaned up, money is being allocated for armaments! I would like to believe that Shoigu will put things in order, and not only, as they say in the "tank troops"!
    2. Earthman
      Earthman 21 March 2013 07: 44
      +1
      Quote: S_mirnov
      "confront hypothetical adversaries" in the form of a hypothetical NATO or China?

      polymers then pissed off in Russia
  • Nomad
    Nomad 19 March 2013 12: 27
    13
    Is it not that Boris Sokolov, who calculated the losses of the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War at 40 million people? Why did he switch to Kazakhstan? In general, for the sake of what the article was written, it is not clear. A simple listing of equipment and parts, as in Wikipedia. I thought there would be some kind of analysis, predictions ... And who does he mean by hypothetical opponents? Uzbekov - why should we fight with them? Kirgizov? The mentality is unlikely to allow. China? In order to prove that Kazakhstan will not be able to confront China alone, it is not worth writing an article. In short, the impression is that the author simply had nothing to do.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 18
      +4
      The author at least imagined how China would invade Kazakhstan - through the Dzungarian gate or by landing. And at the same time, I thought about how the Uighurs would behave in Xinjiang, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz and just Muslims in the event of an attack on Kazakhstan? I don’t even mention and do not remind you of the security agreements concluded in exchange for nuclear weapons and the CSTO system. If China only moves toward the CIS countries, then such a chain reaction will go - Mom Do not Cry. Japan, Vietnam, North Korea, India and others with pleasure will help the CSTO countries to put cancer in Beijing. I'm not saying how the White House will gladly help this matter.
  • NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 March 2013 12: 31
    13 th
    Set the article -------- as it does not interest the army of Sultan Nazarbayev .....
    1. krasin
      krasin 19 March 2013 22: 14
      +4
      A neighbor to a neighbor will always look through the fence. And it’s better to have a good neighbor, look again - drink a bubble, than throw stones
  • Nomad
    Nomad 19 March 2013 12: 34
    10
    Quote: GM.kz
    My good acquaintance officer kaz. Army said that they conducted a study of the defenses of their army and concluded that China would destroy Kazakhstan in 15 minutes

    I heard that. If we use nuclear weapons, then I agree (although we received guarantees from leading powers, including China, when we abandoned Soviet nuclear arsenals). If without nuclear weapons, then it is not clear. In 15 minutes, even without any resistance, even one Almaty region will not pass, you will not pass, the distances are not the same. Probably, this refers to a hypothetical option if the entire Kazakh army was built in a clean field against the entire Chinese army, as in the good old days. But now this does not happen. So these 15 (40, 60 min, 2 hours - different options are in use) - this is pure abstraction, which has nothing to do with real life.
    1. marshes
      marshes 19 March 2013 12: 55
      +6
      All leading countries have invested in the economy of Kazakhstan, each country has a share, but no more than others. So if one of the countries wants to "clean up" something, other countries will "harness."
      1. avt
        avt 19 March 2013 13: 40
        +2
        Quote: marshes
        All leading countries have invested in the economy of Kazakhstan, each country has a share, but no more than others. So if one of the countries wants to "clean up" something, other countries will "harness."

        C'mon, there are also many who invested in Libya, but they wanted to do it at once. When this stopped when redrawing the map in his own interests. Here it suddenly becomes clear what a strong interest a stronger player will suddenly find and a violation of human rights, and then nothing personal, only business like in Iraq where the local for a barrel of oil is $ 12 from Hali Burton.
        1. marshes
          marshes 19 March 2013 13: 49
          +3
          Quote: avt
          in Libya, too, a lot of people invested, but they wanted to put it at once

          Which countries? China and Russia?
          1. avt
            avt 19 March 2013 14: 08
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            Which countries? China and Russia?

            There was the entire oil and gas complex on shares of the Angles, Francs and Italians. When Muamor decided to raise the deduction bar to 50%, at once the villain was not a handshake. And before that, even though he supposedly supported the terrorists, he was kissed almost in a hickey.
            1. marshes
              marshes 19 March 2013 14: 14
              +5
              Quote: avt
              There was the entire oil and gas complex on shares of the Angles, Francs and Italians. When Muamor decided to raise the deduction bar, at once the scoundrel was not a handshake. And before that, even though they supposedly supported the terrorists, the kisser was almost in a hickey

              So who is to blame? Muamr himself.Golovoy should think and shake the green little book less, it was necessary to let other "gamers" to himself, so that they would create a counterweight.
              1. avt
                avt 19 March 2013 14: 46
                +3
                Quote: marshes
                So who is to blame? Muamr himself.Golovoy should think and shake the green little book less, it was necessary to let other "gamers" to himself, so that they would create a counterweight.

                good laughing As they say more than once in the Bible - “You said.” Muamor also worn about the Pan-African idea with the golden dinar. Does it remind you of anything? You don’t want to draw an analogy with Pan-Turkism? But it can easily happen, especially if you consider that “ ...... there are few of us, and there is only one trunk ... "
                1. marshes
                  marshes 19 March 2013 15: 00
                  +5
                  Quote: avt
                  Do you want to draw an analogy with pan-Turkism?

                  So the Turks are running around, so they "played along" all the same was at a party. smile
                  Across China. Geography is three bottlenecks where military equipment can pass. You can block it with small forces. And if you raise the dust above the Semipalatinsk test site, it will not seem enough. 1,5 million diaspora, plus Uyghurs.
                  By terrorist groups. The army will cope, again geography.
                  According to others. Loss of money, transportation problems.
        2. romb
          romb 19 March 2013 19: 32
          +9
          And you look at the geographical location of Kazakhstan. There are not so much economic reasons (as it was in Libya), but the geostrategic interests of the leading players.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 March 2013 13: 19
      +9
      Quote: Nomad
      So these 15 (40, 60 min, 2 hours - different options are in use) - this is pure abstraction, which has nothing to do with real life.

      I agree!!
      Yeshe no one even knows what the Chinese are capable of in real life !!
      Recall the incident at Damansk Island !!
      Repeated advantage of the Chinese to the detriment of them!
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 16: 31
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        Repeated advantage of the Chinese to the detriment of them!

        Pushing each other to death ... wassat
    3. GM.kz
      GM.kz 19 March 2013 13: 22
      -6
      In Almaty, the Chinese and in the West like flies, so that in case of conflict they will take power there.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 19 March 2013 13: 33
        +6
        Quote: GM.kz
        In Almaty, the Chinese and in the West like flies so that in case of conflict they will take power there

        In Russia, they are also full !!
        easy prey for a tornado!
      2. romb
        romb 19 March 2013 19: 36
        +5
        Will they take power in the west of Kazakhstan?
        Yes, they (the Chinese) there instantly the Adays cut out, give them only a reason. crying
      3. Earthman
        Earthman 21 March 2013 07: 49
        +2
        Quote: GM.kz
        In Almaty, the Chinese and in the West like flies, so that in case of conflict they will take power there.

        Take care of the Far East
      4. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 22
        +2
        Quote: GM.kz
        In Almaty, the Chinese and in the West like flies, so that in case of conflict they will take power there.

        and then not North Korea? the benefit of Koreans is far greater than that of the Chinese.
    4. romb
      romb 19 March 2013 19: 27
      +4
      Yes, there were such "assumptions". Back in the first half of the 90s, Americans were frightened by these analytical calculations. At the same time, not particularly answering the questions: where will China take such a number of military equipment, how will it suppress the air defense system, and where will the railways and roads come from that allow the PLA to freely transfer such a mass of military personnel and military equipment to Kazakhstan in such a short period of time. Moreover, to capture does not mean to retain.
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 19 March 2013 12: 42
    +3
    Oh yes .. somehow the material is not logically finished .. recourse And by the numbers - interesting. hi
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 March 2013 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: pa_nik
      And by the numbers - interesting.

      Amazed by the number of tanks, art and rocket systems!
      The Navy is clearly a weak link!
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 March 2013 14: 14
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        Amazed by the number of tanks, art and rocket systems!

        What is so amazing about this?
        This is only a small part of the arsenal inherited by Kazakhstan from the USSR.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 March 2013 14: 34
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          What is so amazing about this?
          This is only a small part of the arsenal inherited by Kazakhstan from the USSR.


          other countries did not go so much !!!
          I think most bought it!
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 19 March 2013 15: 09
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            other countries did not go so much !!!
            I think most bought it!

            In Kazakhstan, only 5000 tanks were left.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 March 2013 15: 39
              +1
              Quote: Odyssey
              In Kazakhstan, only 5000 tanks were left.

              4 thousand where to do?
              belay
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 19 March 2013 15: 54
                +4
                Quote: Yarbay
                4 thousand where to do?

                Part of it was cut into scrap metal, most of it lost combat effectiveness at storage bases. In general, everything is the same as in Russia or Ukraine.
                The 1000 remaining T-72s are also virtual numbers. How many of them are combat-ready, I believe, even the Kazakh military is unknown.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 28
                  +5
                  Do not compare the attitude of Kazakhs to weapons with the Russian or Ukrainian approach. the tanks weren’t cut, but the type was decommissioned and hidden at storage bases. stand there purposefully.
                  By the way, in the KZ there are also underground storage bases for tanks and other equipment.
                  Kazakhs did not dare to cut tanks. a couple of pieces for the view were poured from the hatch with concrete in front of the foreign delegation, and the rest was preserved.
                  By the way, even when we pledged to transfer part of the strategic bomber to Russia and cut some of it, we hid several TUs anyway, though the former pilot officers who moved to Russia surrendered us openly. then the evil international experts arrived and had to cut TU-shki with them (((
                  Available tanks (about 1000 pieces) not only did not rust, but also modernized.
      2. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 19 March 2013 14: 30
        +9
        Quote: Yarbay
        The Navy is clearly a weak link!

        Kazakhstan, surrounded on all sides by the ocean laughing
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 19 March 2013 15: 30
      0
      Well, yes, it turns out all the "state secret" was revealed ...
  • Cpa
    Cpa 19 March 2013 12: 47
    +4
    It seems to me that there are not enough 9000 border guards for Kazakhstan, taking into account the separatists, co-smugglers and drug dealers, there are very few. WW 20 000 troops recourse a clear imbalance or internal threats are more relevant.
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 19 March 2013 13: 21
      +4
      Internal threats are always more relevant. Take at least the closest neighbors - now a mess in Kyrgyzstan, then in Uzbekistan. About Tajikistan is a separate issue. It would be interesting to find out how things are going with the ratio of the army VC BB?
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 19 March 2013 16: 07
        +1
        BB 189800 troops
        RF Armed Forces of the order 1300 000
        Border troops to 350 000
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 31
      +5
      and we need border guards only on the Chinese site. on the borders with the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Turkmens, and even more so with the Russians - we keep a symbolic number of green caps.
      in addition, we already have the bulk of the troops on the border with China.
      and our internal troops are large, so that it seems to everyone that we have a small Moscow army. in fact, VV-Schnicks are the second part of the armed forces of Kazakhstan. They do not have tanks and missiles, but they have enough other armored vehicles. Yes, and the preparation of explosives-shnikov is not much different from the usual army.
  • marshes
    marshes 19 March 2013 12: 50
    +6
    The term of compulsory military service is two years. The draft age and the minimum age for voluntary contractual service are 18 years.

    Strange, but they have been serving for a long time. Old data?
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 33
      +1
      Yes, in the article of jambs - KAMAZ and a small cart. as if a schoolboy was writing.
  • 120352
    120352 19 March 2013 13: 13
    13 th
    Kazakhstan does not need the armed forces for military operations, but so that there is someone to surrender to. True, without the army, Kazakhstan would be completely invincible, because it is impossible to defeat an army that does not exist!
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 19 March 2013 16: 07
      +9
      You tell this to the eyes of their officers !!! negative am negative
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 March 2013 13: 30
    -2
    If in Kazakhstan the scenario is the same as in Syria, when up to 40 thousand mercenaries are thrown simultaneously at its territory, and even in different regions, moreover, part of the population will support these mercenaries, which can oppose the authorities. If in Syria, which is much smaller than Kazakhstan, the military has already been tortured to run after the bandits who appear here and there. Complacency that today Kazakhstan has no enemies it’s not even serious and reckless,
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 34
      +5
      Kazakhs in their steppes will at least slaughter anyone. we are not Arabs, we are not Arabs.
    2. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra April 19 2013 10: 59
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      in addition, part of the population will support these mercenaries,

      Will not support. Kazakhs as Tatars are Muslims only by Male Penis. We still have enough of our Tengrian customs. It is a pity that there are more and more people walking in the mosque. Religion is opium for the people. Under the guise of Islam, Kazakhstan is trying to introduce a complex of JACOB fraternal faith of foreign elements. Something like this..
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 19 March 2013 13: 38
    +8
    Quote: 120352
    Kazakhstan does not need the armed forces for military operations, but so that there is someone to surrender to.

    Internet hero? They say about such: - "A good fellow among the sheep, but against the good fellow the sheep himself."
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 19 March 2013 13: 43
    +4
    Kazakhstan, like all other former Soviet republics (except Belarus), unfortunately, has become the cap.country of the 3rd world. And such countries are not supposed to have a strong army.
    And it is not entirely clear what tasks the Kazakh army may face, it is useless to fight against the PRC, but there are no other external opponents.
    So the only task that can face the Kazakh army in the current conditions is counterinsurgency.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 37
      +4
      The Kazakh army actually covers the central part of Russia if you are not in the know. Thanks to this, the Russians do not need to keep troops in the Central Military District that are significant in strength and quantity, but focus on the European and Chinese directions.
      By the way, the Kazakh Air Force alone is the second largest and most powerful in the post-Soviet space, and the pilot training (raid) is better than Russian.
      The Military Doctrine of Kazakhstan already states that one of the goals of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan is to protect the interests of the countries of the Customs Union.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 19 March 2013 13: 43
    -8
    The main idea is Russia's ally. What does Russia just have? An almost open border, through which drugs are flowing, crowds of illegal migrant workers and other "delights". We have on the face of a continuous squeezing of Russians from places of past residence. We have the beginnings of a "great Turkic union. And all this is for the mythical allies who simply stood behind the broad Russian back. If something happens, all these" brothers "will shout louder than anyone about Great Russian chauvinism, and a simple Russian Vanka will fight. As it always was ...
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 46
      +3
      1) Is Russia able to close the world's longest land border, which is the Kazakh-Russian line? Are you going to have a garden? The flag is in your hands. Only the budget will not pull in any way.
      2) drugs come to Kazakhstan not only from the south, but also from the north - 100% of synthetic drugs and other chemicals come from Russia. Here you do not want to talk about the quality of Russian border guards?
      3) Residents of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan legally ENTRY into the territory of Kazakhstan and Russia. Another thing is that they illegally WORK. You are confusing sour and salty.
      4) Were worn out by their "refugees". Give at least one surname of an emigrant from Kazakhstan who has brought at least something to Russia? An actor, businessman, scientist, doctor, politician, sportsman, DJ at worst. Silence. Is there really not a single prominent person among the hundred thousand million "Russian refugees from Kazakhstan"? Someone again prevents them from developing ... Only now they are not Kazakhs, but Russian officials, Jews, Americans, migrant workers and aliens. Poor fellows. They are always oppressed everywhere.
      By the way, the mass outflow of the Slavs ended ten years ago. From Kazakhstan to Russia leaves almost as much as from Russia to Kazakhstan. Stop living yellow newspapers published in 1995.
      5) About pan-Turkism - also got it. We do not pay attention to your hugs with the Bulgarians and Serbs. And do not yell about pan-Slavism.
      6) In what war and against whom did the Russians fight for the Kazakhs? Tell a fairy tale. I'll take the popcorn for now.
  • Black
    Black 19 March 2013 14: 00
    +1
    Quote: GM.kz
    Hope for a big brother that's the whole doctrine


    YES. Well, not only that. I think the reason is in the host’s diligence.

    Quote: KPA
    It seems to me 9000 border guards are not enough for Kazakhstan


    Moreover, the service is somehow very sluggish, at least on our borders with them.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 19 March 2013 15: 40
      +1
      Moreover, if you consider that the border guards at a post between themselves arrange disassemblies of 13-15 people своих they kill (if you believe the media), and destroy the top officers of the border guards with whole planes, and then suddenly the general himself shot himself, then we can assume that "THE BORDER ON THE CASTLE"!
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 48
        +2
        such cases happened in the Soviet army, and even in the American. always in an organization where there is access to weapons, such garbage happens.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 18: 47
      +1
      you confuse with customs officers?
  • Region65
    Region65 19 March 2013 14: 13
    +3
    for recounting the number of cutthroats and equipment in the army of Kazakhstan to the author plus, but the title of the article is not clear to me .. The small army of Kazakhstan is unlikely to be able to withstand hypothetical opponents ... also the Golden Horde of present Mongolia, two dozen drunken Swedes, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians too hardly anyone can resist) For example, the same state of Liechtenstein, measuring just 160 square meters. km It’s also unlikely that it can scare someone with its army))))))) Kazakhstan is in the CSTO, so it’s unlikely that someone from NATO and their USA will openly conduct military operations against Kazakhstan _))) and even despite the fact that the good US shit-guns are intensely arming Uzbekistan, which has fallen out of the Collective Security Treaty Organization))))) drove all guest workers back to Uzbekistan with a broom and that’s it, the economy of this pseudo-state will collapse to a hair dryer)
  • washi
    washi 19 March 2013 14: 23
    -3
    In Karaganda, the command is deployed on the basis of the BB division. Most of the troops retained their deployment as in Soviet times, which was not designed for the invasion of nationalist Islamists from the south. Designed to attack China, but China is still in the SCO
    The city of Verny (Alma-Ata) from the attack from the south of the Islamists, Kazakh Power Structures alone will not be able to save. Again for the territories of others perish.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 19: 02
      +6
      Vasya, here you are a noble scribbler. on the basis of which division of explosives? the Karaganda division of the BB, although it was reformatted, remained in the BB, not the VS. do not write nonsense.
      2) Fort Verny was built not from scratch, but on the site of the existing settlement of Almaty, whose urban history dates back more than one hundred years, and in the Middle Ages the city of Almaty printed its own gold and silver coins. What are you faithful remembered here?
      3) From which south will the Islamists attack? From the side of Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan? In these countries, have the Islamists seized power? To fight the bandits, we have BB troops with our special forces, and not the MO army. In addition, there are airmobile brigades (Airborne Forces), which also have (training) skills to suppress such incidents.
      4) In what war in what year and against whom did you die in the interests of the Kazakhs? During the Russian-Martian war near Karaganda?
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 19 March 2013 14: 44
    +9
    I read, laughed, read this. Astana (headquarters - Karaganda) is the reserve reserve for the Supreme Commander. He is subordinated to the Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade in Karaganda. and where is the mechanized brigade? Further The navy of Kazakhstan has three thousand people. The main base is the port of Aktau on the Caspian Sea. They consist of marines, coastal artillery and the Caspian flotilla. Naval aviation has Mi-8, Mi-2 helicopters. laughing even puffed up in the Navy there is no marine corps, no naval aviation, coastal artillery ????? !!!!! obviously the author smokes bamboo
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 19 March 2013 14: 52
    +2
    There is a Lisbon Treaty there clearly and clearly spelled out in relation to the three states of the former USSR of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan because these states voluntarily renounced nuclear weapons and the GUARANTEE of the SECURITY of these states is RUSSIA, USA, ENGLAND, CHINA, FRANCE. So we, Ukrainians and Belarusians do not care for this author who smoked bamboo and others.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 March 2013 15: 15
      +2
      Firstly, not a contract, but a memorandum.
      Secondly, not Lisbon, but Budapest.
      Third, no "guarantees of the inviolability of sovereignty"
      Here is the Kazakh text for you, the rest are similar to http://kazakhstan.news-city.info/docs/sistemsi/dok_pegmzz.htm
      The Russian Federation, the United States and Britain should do something against third countries only in the event that Ukraine, Kazakhstan or Belarus become "a victim of an act of aggression or an object of threat of aggression. using nuclear weapons. "That is, if this is done with the use of conventional armed forces, you will have to cope on our own.

      Well, in the fourth, he was repeatedly violated. And Russia, and the United States, and Britain.
      1. nnnnnn
        nnnnnn 19 March 2013 15: 46
        +4
        I agree, I’ve been mistaken, I just asked for petition, I saw AUTHOR Boris Sokolov and my emotions filled up, the Lisbon Protocol is the protocol to the Treaty between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the United States of America on the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms, which was signed in Lisbon on May 23, 1992 by Russia, the USA, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. But the LISBON PROTOCOL is primary and the Budapest MEMORANDUM was adopted after the signing of the PROTOCOL.
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 19 March 2013 15: 44
      +1
      So deRmocrats, like a tsar: - "I have a word yes, I took it" ... here is your guarantee!
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 19 March 2013 15: 11
    +6
    Among the supporters of the second point of view, the doctor is distinguished by special “bloodthirstiness” Philology Boris Sokolov. Back in 1990, in the book “The Price of Victory,” he counted 14,7 million fallen Soviet soldiers (the ratio of those killed was 3,8: 1). Three years later, in the article “Price of losses - the price of the system” (“NG” dated June 22, 1993), Sokolov brought the death toll of the Red Army to 26,4 million people (the loss ratio was 10: 1). [2] Then this figure seemed so absurd that historians simply ignored it (in any case, in the materials of the scientific conference “Human Losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War”, held at the Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences on March 14–15, 1995, Sokolov’s “research” even not mentioned).
    http://www.scepsis.ru/library/id_1221.html
    B. Sokolov: Yes, the “Royal Tigers” could only destroy self-propelled artillery mounts of 152 mm caliber. [1]
    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/victory/608035-echo/
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 19 March 2013 15: 11
    +3
    Sokolov hates you and does not want to look at you.

    “Price of Victory”
    “Cost of Loss - System Price”
    Vysery on the topic of BDSM 1990 and 1993. Since in the first case everyone was thinking about eating, and in the second, as if not getting under the tank, they were not particularly noticed. Recognition came in 2003 when Boriska appeared on the Times program.
    Unknown Zhukov: portrait without retouching in the mirror of the era.
    Budyonny: Red Murat
    Tukhachevsky M.N .: Life and death of the Red Marshal
    Baron Ungern. Black horseman
    A series of biographies where it is proved that the Reds did not know how to fight, and the white angels in the flesh
    Occupation truth and myth
    RLO Partisans
    The patient took part in the creation of the film “Soviet History”. It turned out such a game about Katyn, the Holodomor, and the Gulag, that the patient was freaked out on the result himself.
    And more than 9000 smaller alters. In all, he demonstrates the lack of knowledge of the materiel even at the schoolchild level.
    http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB
    % D0% BE% D0% B2
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 19: 04
      +1
      hey, 20 minutes ago, I wrote here that the feeling that the author is a schoolboy.
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 19 March 2013 15: 21
    +2
    As a "prestige goal", Georgian troops were able to finally defeat the South Ossetian militia (its losses are still unknown). But, of course, Saakashvili and the command of the Georgian army did not count on the final victory. Actually, the hostilities lasted only two days. And during this time, Russian losses were not at all small. According to official, quite possibly underestimated data, the Russian army lost 364 people (74 killed, 171 wounded and 19 missing). Among the seriously wounded was the commander of the 58th Army, Lieutenant General Anatoly Khrulev. Russia also irretrievably lost at least four aircraft, including the Tu-22 bomber. http://aquim.livejournal.com/155406.html THIS IS THE SAME BORIS SOKOLOV

    Yes, and the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, although they sank one Georgian missile boat, but, according to some reports, they themselves were injured and suffered losses.

    After the battles ended, the Georgian army, according to a pre-designed plan, quickly retreated to the Tbilisi area, with almost no casualties (the television showed only two wounded Georgian soldiers taken prisoner in Tskhinvali). With a quick retreat, a significant part of the weapons and equipment had to be abandoned, but, obviously, some weapons and equipment remained for the defense of Tbilisi. Georgian troops did not dare to defend their cities, so as not to be destroyed in parts by superior enemy forces.
    1. hrych
      hrych 19 March 2013 16: 48
      +1
      What are you talking about, everyone here knows that the fleet of fearless Georgian corsairs was sunk by special forces sailing in tow in Poti, and the filibusters fled.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Crt6LNnI9c0
      "According to some reports" - the timid Georgian thought up himself.
    2. nnnnnn
      nnnnnn 19 March 2013 18: 39
      +5
      For the fool who put a minus, or maybe it was put by the author of the article, or the one who posted this article with attempts to analyze, I inform that this nonsense about 08.08.2008 was written by the author BORIS SOKOLOV,
      1. hrych
        hrych 19 March 2013 20: 32
        +4
        Boris Vadimovich Sokolov (January 2, 1957, Moscow) is a Russian historian, critic, and literary critic. Doctor of Philology, candidate of historical sciences, member of the Russian PEN Center. In March 2010, he signed the appeal of the Russian opposition "Putin must leave."

        A member of the PEN Center, probably a secret or explicit homo-community. Now it’s understandable why Saakashvili won against him, but he scolded the land, equipment and pride (although you won’t be able to do it).
    3. kostella85
      kostella85 19 March 2013 20: 20
      +2
      Quote: nnnnnn
      Georgian troops did not dare to defend their cities, so as not to be destroyed in parts by superior enemy forces.


      And what x ........... then they climbed at all, if they knew that they would receive my mursala? Thought NATO vpregetsya, and they they tries .. they do not need!
  • танк
    танк 19 March 2013 15: 40
    0
    expansion of cooperation in the military and military-technical field with the United States of America and the states of the European Union.

    Oh well...
  • pinecone
    pinecone 19 March 2013 16: 30
    +1
    Uncle Borya screwed up: HYPOTHETICAL opponents! Antiquity is quit, while there is a clear definition PROBABLE (e). "Hypothetically" one can also assume a war between Kazakhstan and Angola, or with Ecuador.
  • B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 19 March 2013 16: 53
    0
    The good nation - Kazakhs, have never wagged and have been and remain faithful friends of Russia. And then the inheritance from the USSR was not bad, especially in part of the territory. [Media = http: //turciya-otdyh.ru/video/pesni/kazahskaja-pesnja-zhiirma-
    bes-ispolnjaet-shaken-ajmanov.html]
  • B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 19 March 2013 16: 59
    0
    A good nation - Kazakhs have always been and remain true friends of Russia. I think if it happens that we support the fraternal people in difficult times, because unlike many former Soviet republics, they never wagged there, which is valuable.
    [media = http: //turciya-otdyh.ru/video/pesni/kazahskaja-pesnja-zhiirma-bes-ispolnj
    aet-shaken-ajmanov.html]
  • Bosk
    Bosk 19 March 2013 17: 19
    0
    So it turns out that in the ground forces there are 30 thousand personnel for about 3.2 thousand units of armored vehicles ... I'm certainly not special, but the ratio, to put it mildly, is not weak ...
    1. Beck
      Beck 19 March 2013 18: 18
      11
      Quote: Bosk
      So it turns out that in the ground forces there are 30 thousand personnel for about 3.2 thousand units of armored vehicles ... I'm certainly not special, but the ratio is, to put it mildly, not weak ..


      Yes, misunderstandings came out. To a small synonym, many apply a weak synonym. The Kazakh army is the strongest in Central Asia in equipping with military equipment modern models, in combat training, and the moral and combat qualities of a soldier.

      Theoretically and purely personally, the armies of Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, taken together, at the moment will not be able to confront the Kazakhstan army. They will be superior in numbers, in land military equipment, in combat helicopters, and in combat aircraft will be inferior.

      I repeat. This is not to war and hatred. It is theoretical and real.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 19 March 2013 22: 04
        +4
        Beck: "By equipping with modern military equipment, by combat training, moral and combat qualities of a soldier, the Kazakh army is the strongest in Central Asia."
        The number is also important, mobilization resource, panimash recourse
        Example: Iran-Iraq war ... In Iraq, practically everything was better except in numbers - equipment of modern models with military equipment and military training, etc. etc. And how did it end ?? !! recourse
        You can also remember the Second World War .... IMHO hi
        1. Beck
          Beck 20 March 2013 10: 04
          +9
          Quote: Alibekulu
          The number is also important, mobilization resource, panimash


          Who argues that numbers are important. But I didn’t mention the fighting qualities of a soldier, so as not to exaggerate the national mentality .. But if it goes. Turkmen, Uzbek, and Tajik soldiers are inferior in their qualities to Kazakhstani. And all the mentality. From ancient times, it was more important to them melon, garden, craft. And the steppe always had to show his boldness. Well, at least the same horse games.
      2. Bosk
        Bosk 20 March 2013 21: 57
        +1
        I’m not talking about weakness ... it’s just that with such a ratio you can create about 4 to 7 mobile armored brigades, and if you take into account Kazakhstan’s open spaces ... then it wakes them up where it will be razrulitsya.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 19: 08
          +3
          in the voice of Matroskin: that's what! we still have 4000 tanks in the store)))) we didn’t cut our tanks after 1991, as in Russia or Ukraine. Yes, and the tanks available in the army are enough to iron Western Europe. And ishsho, our aviation is just as good. she is not ashamed to boast at all, even in front of Russia or Germany)
  • amp
    amp 19 March 2013 18: 36
    0
    Hypothetical threats - this is if the Taliban invade Central Asia.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 19 March 2013 20: 05
    +7
    Do not fool around with whom to fight, with China they are smart people who will flood us without war. Speak 15 minutes, hesitate to stomp the country 9 in the world in size. You look at your army, you have one of which is Serdyukov.
  • Watchman
    Watchman 19 March 2013 20: 32
    +2
    Kazakhstan cannot create an equivalent Chinese army, but small, but well-trained and armed forces are what is needed to suppress all kinds of extremists and combat drug trafficking.
  • NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 March 2013 20: 57
    -9
    At least one of the people who were minuscule would explain why, I hate quiet people, vilely acting ........ I repeat, I’m deeply army for the Kazakh army, they also found me a warrior .......
    1. implacable
      implacable 20 March 2013 03: 40
      +7
      the second minus I slapped you, would you risk me saying something?
    2. Beck
      Beck 20 March 2013 10: 32
      +7
      Quote: NOBODY BUT US
      At least one of the people who were minuscule would explain why, I hate quiet people, acting vilely ........ I repeat once again, I’m deeply fighting for the army of Kazakhs, they also found me a warrior ..


      I didn’t give you a minus. Admins post articles on the site, people discuss them, communicate, argue. They come or do not come to this or that opinion. After all, they don’t swear at the site. If a topic is not interesting, then people pass by. And they don’t just come in to cheat. In addition, the Kazakh army has many Russians.

      This is normal for you, if you understand it. But you most likely do not accept such a language. So, I’ll repeat you with the language that you’re right in time.

      Are you so otkedov hatched, with a bare backside and an empty head? With a single comment popped out and immediately do not care. Ass doesn’t turn around? What then will you empty your mouth? See how the teeth from such diarrhea did not increase. Do not know how to communicate, walk in the toilet, there is nothing for you to do among people. Sociologists are not needed in society.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 19: 10
        +2
        gyyy, he already sends the second sms-ku, like a gritsa, with the text: "I don't love you anymore and I ignore you"))))
  • Andrew
    Andrew 19 March 2013 21: 52
    +2
    And why SU-27 recorded in attack aircraft, and not in fighter jets.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 19 March 2013 22: 09
    +9
    It’s not necessary to humiliate, our warriors are no worse than yours.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 19 March 2013 22: 15
    +4
    Let the Taliban figure it out first, but it’s possible to partisan outside Afghanistan vryatli
  • GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 20 March 2013 04: 51
    -4
    The army of Kazakhstan is quite enough to solve problems on local conflicts. But if, after Nazarbayev's departure, the United States decides that there is no "democracy" in Kazakhstan, then the army of Kazakhstan alone will not be able to resist it, and in this regard the CSTO and the army of Russia behind Kazakhstan's back guarantee the sovereignty and independence of Kazakhstan. The United States understands this, and therefore the people and elites of Kazakhstan need to keep track of the internal enemies that have sold themselves to the US State Department by various "oppositionists" who are already blathering about Kazakhstan's withdrawal from the CU and the Eurasian Economic Community.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 20 March 2013 11: 57
    +8
    The opposition barks and the caravan moves on.
  • Nomad
    Nomad 20 March 2013 20: 55
    +7
    Quote: GM.kz
    In Almaty, the Chinese and in the West like flies, so that in case of conflict they will take power there.

    Comrade, I don’t know where you live, but I have been living in Almaty all my life and for 33 years I have seen heels in my native pennates, tens of Chinese people, and those are tourists.
    1. Earthman
      Earthman 21 March 2013 08: 01
      +3
      Quote: Nomad
      Comrade, I don’t know where you live, but I have been living in Almaty all my life and for 33 years I have seen heels in my native pennates, tens of Chinese people, and those are tourists.

      And then near the restaurant Golden Dragon, which a year ago was registered
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 19: 12
      +5
      I am also a former Almaty citizen. And also very rarely encountered Pts with the Chinese. Especially now. Earlier in the 90s there were a bit more. GM.kz, in my opinion, still lives in the 90s. I already once told him about this.
  • Dmitriy85
    Dmitriy85 22 March 2013 16: 04
    +4
    Information is outdated. Kazakhstan is already armed with C-295 aircraft, Eurocopter helicopters, Otocar Cobra armored cars, and others.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 March 2013 19: 13
      +5
      Yes, the author in general, the whole article is pulled from outdated statues. as a result, complete garbage and porridge turned out. give examples of errors - an article will be published twice as large as the original.
      he still has Mi-2 flying in Kazakhstan))))))))))))
  • Rinatgoi
    Rinatgoi April 28 2013 10: 05
    +2
    Yes, there are few of us Chinese, but we have one of the most powerful weapons that maybe it is IMAN !!! Therefore, our ancestors were able to defend their lands when the Dzungars attacked them, driven by the Russians. We became independent even when we tried to starve to death. Praise be to Allah!
    1. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra April 29 2013 21: 27
      +4
      Did you mean Aruah ?! Because IMAN and Allah are alien and untruth.
      1. Rinatgoi
        Rinatgoi 9 August 2013 10: 36
        -1
        The word "Iman" means "faith" and not "aruach". Aruach is a righteous ancestor.
        Islam has never been a stranger to the Kazakh people and this is a true and fair religion from the Lord.
  • Beck
    Beck 9 August 2013 12: 25
    +2
    Quote: Rinatgoi
    Islam has never been a stranger to the Kazakh people and this is a true and fair religion from the Lord.


    First, Islam is the appropriation and offshoot of Judaism. Muhammad rewrote the foundations of Judaism and, with distortions, turned it into Islam.

    The second one. Islam is an alien faith, a foreign faith, an Arab faith. From the beginning, the Türks believed in the infinite, eternal blue Sky, in Tengri. In the 11-12 centuries, the Naiman tribes and the Kereites, who are now part of the Kazakh people, professed Nestorian Christianity.

    And ONLY in 1340, the Khan of the Golden Horde, Uzbek, adopted Islam as the state religion. He accepted it voluntarily, under the influence of the Arab mullahs, the nomadic population of the Horde forced them to accept Islam by force. The steppe inhabitants said to him - "Demand obedience from us in the affairs of the state, but what do you care about our souls." Not one sultan and bek, not to mention ordinary steppe dwellers, accepted death for not recognizing Islam and staying true to their Tengrian views.

    And any FAITH is not TRUE. This is a subjective assumption that there is someone. Which no one had ever seen, touched, felt. Any faith right now is voluntary UNLIGHTING. You could still believe in the 7th century, when there was no true science. If TRUE to believe in the 21st century, then it is necessary to CANCEL all the laws of physics, chemistry, astronomy - all science.
  • Aldo
    Aldo 21 February 2014 09: 35
    +1
    Quote: Beck
    Quote: Rinatgoi
    Islam has never been a stranger to the Kazakh people and this is a true and fair religion from the Lord.


    First, Islam is the appropriation and offshoot of Judaism. Muhammad rewrote the foundations of Judaism and, with distortions, turned it into Islam.

    The second one. Islam is an alien faith, a foreign faith, an Arab faith. From the beginning, the Türks believed in the infinite, eternal blue Sky, in Tengri. In the 11-12 centuries, the Naiman tribes and the Kereites, who are now part of the Kazakh people, professed Nestorian Christianity.


    And ONLY in 1340, the Khan of the Golden Horde, Uzbek, adopted Islam as the state religion. He accepted it voluntarily, under the influence of the Arab mullahs, the nomadic population of the Horde forced them to accept Islam by force. The steppe inhabitants said to him - "Demand obedience from us in the affairs of the state, but what do you care about our souls." Not one sultan and bek, not to mention ordinary steppe dwellers, accepted death for not recognizing Islam and staying true to their Tengrian views.

    And any FAITH is not TRUE. This is a subjective assumption that there is someone. Which no one had ever seen, touched, felt. Any faith right now is voluntary UNLIGHTING. You could still believe in the 7th century, when there was no true science. If TRUE to believe in the 21st century, then it is necessary to CANCEL all the laws of physics, chemistry, astronomy - all science.

    Faith is FAITH.
    Belief in what is sent down from the height of seven heavens. Do not believe your business, but do not impose your unbelief on others.
    And every hysteria about the number of Chinese is a coward hysteria. We have always been fewer Chinese over the past 2000 years. But we always defended our lands and beat them more than once. If we need to carry a guerrilla war. Let them just try.
    1. Beck
      Beck 21 February 2014 13: 42
      0
      Quote: Aldo
      Belief in what is sent down from the height of seven heavens. Do not believe your business, but do not impose your unbelief on others.


      Who imposed?

      Someone says there is a god, I say no. All. I, that, was setting someone up with a knife to my throat, forcing me to disbelieve. Or you can say to believers, there is a god, but you cannot say to others that he is not.

      Nothing falls from the sky. In Mecca, in the 7th century, there was a certain circle that was devoted to reading the Scriptures and the Bible and discussing them. The circle included the Jew Rahman from Iemama, the Greek Jabr al-Rumi, the Persian Salman, the Arabs Jabr and Jezar - masters of cold steel. Muhammad also stuck to this circle and listened to these readings. Subsequently, combining what he heard from Scripture and the Bible, more from Scripture, Muhammad composed his verses with distortions of what he heard, which were later collected in the Qur'an.

      Muhammad took from Scripture the history of the creation of the world, scripture, prophets, saints, paradise, hell. Hebrew names translated into Arabic pronunciation. Moses became Musa, Abraham - Ibrahim, Solomon - Suleiman, Jesus - Isa, Lot - Loot, Noah - Nuh, etc. The time of the holy Saturday, Muhammad, rescheduled for the time of the holy Friday. He adopted the rites of Judaism - circumcision of the foreskin, not recognition of pork for meat, stoning as execution, a ban on images.

      Most likely you, from the formation of Islam, did not know anything. You simply blindly believe and do not want to include logic.

      The fundamental divide between the fanatics of faith and people who perceive logic passes through the understanding and interpretation of the two principles of being.

      FAITH and KNOWLEDGE - KNOW and BELIEVE.

      The fanatic blindly believes, and from here does not want to know anything, and does not want to perceive anything. A normal person knows or knows and therefore believes, believes in knowledge, believes in what he knows.
  • Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 1 August 2018 14: 49
    0
    The base of the Army of Kazakhstan should be cavalry, divided into hordes and tumens.