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"Humanization" of the Russian army in action

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Recently, a lot and persistently talking about the humanization of the Russian armed forces. However, as often happens, in words we say one thing; in fact, we have a completely different one. Hazing from the Russian army did not go anywhere, soldiers periodically die. And decisions that are made by senior officers, in some cases do not lend at all to any reasonable explanation. The last case of "military cretinism" occurred in the Nizhny Novgorod region in the garrison of a military unit in Mulino, which even before it managed to gain sad glory.


Another scandal is connected with the fact that the leadership of one of the military units of the Mulino garrison during the inspection took out sick soldiers from the territory of the medical unit. It is reported that soldiers with acute respiratory infections and bronchitis for 3-x days were without medical assistance. In this case, the soldiers had to sit in a cold room, located on the shooting range. The alarm about this incident was only beaten after the mother of one of the conscript soldiers who had been hiding at the training ground turned to the “Committee of Soldiers' Mothers”. The woman said that her son and several dozen other colleagues were forced to "sit quietly and not hang out."

According to Natalya Zhukova, the head of the Nizhny Novgorod Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, 38 soldiers and conscripts were taken to the shooting range, where they spent 12-13 hours every day, instead of treating them, studying the statute. At the same time, only 12 people remained in the medical unit - those who already had high fever and who were dangerous to transport. It is worth noting that in a kind of repository the soldiers of urgent service were really hard times. The low air temperature forced the conscripts to cling to the only warm battery in the room. “Hide and seek” ended only after the high command of the Western Military District left the unit, who visited it with a check.

Apparently, the leadership of the military unit feared that a large number of patients in the hospital would cause unnecessary questions about how this could happen. Anyway, military foreheads, it is difficult to call them differently, they decided to send sick people out of sight. At the same time, they didn’t think at all that by replacing the drugs and the hospital with a cold room and the cramming of the statute, they would only aggravate the soldiers' illness. So in the end, some of the soldiers-conscripts earned serious complications from such sitting on the range.
"Humanization" of the Russian army in action

Parents of sick soldiers complain that the command of the unit does not care at all about personnel. As an example, they cited the case when, after a five-kilometer jogging on skis, the team was built on the parade-ground, where the 1,5 stood for an hour. During this standing in the cold, the sweaty soldiers could get sick massively. At the same time, the unit commander may have thought that in this way he was hardening the servicemen.

As soon as given история with the sick became known to the public and to journalists, the military prosecutor's office of the Mulino garrison promptly conducted an inspection. As a result of the audit, it was established that during the period from 14 to 16 in January 2013, military personnel who were treated at the medical center of military unit No. 30683, at the direction of the command, namely, the commander of the unit, Colonel Kirill Sukhoruchenko, were taken out to the rifle range for the time when the part was checked by their superiors headquarters. The deputy of the military prosecutor of the Mulino garrison, Alexei Miloserdov, told journalists about this. At this step, the leadership of the military unit went, in order to show the imaginary well-being on the issue of incidence of military personnel.

The prosecutor's office told reporters that conscripts had been kept in a room that was used to heat the soldiers while they were at the training ground. At the same time at lunch all the soldiers returned to the military unit, after which they were again taken away from the eyes of the inspectors. At the landfill they were until the evening. Also during the investigation, it was established that false documents existed on the part of the commanders of the military unit. In particular, according to the reports, the command staff, represented by Colonel Kirill Sukhorudchenko, discharged sick soldiers on the day of the inspection, but after the inspector left, the unit commander ordered that the discharge dates of the soldiers be valid.

After all the details of this rather loud history became known, the leadership of the “prosperous” part was punished. As you understand, no resignations, landings or lows in rank followed. The commander of the unit, Colonel Sukhoruchenko was brought to disciplinary responsibility, he was severely reprimanded. In addition, the prosecutor of the Mulino garrison he was warned about the inadmissibility of violation of the law. The chief of medical service of the military unit, Senior Lieutenant Yakin, also received a severe reprimand. In this case, the materials on this fact were transferred to the military investigation department for decision-making.

The most interesting thing is that this is not the first case of mass disease of soldiers in the Mulino garrison. In the fall of 2011, at the Mulinsky training ground near 30, the conscripted soldiers became ill with pneumonia, one of them died. Earlier on an even larger scale (up to several hundred soldiers), cases of ARVI and pneumonia were noted in Voronezh, one conscript soldier was also killed. And in December, 2010, in Ugra (Kemerovo region), more than 200 soldiers were hospitalized with colds. Taking this into account, it is all the more surprising that the command of the units does not draw any lessons from this, can the whole thing be the absence of adequate punishment for such violations?

If we talk about Mulino's military garrison outside the case of colds of soldiers, then quite a lot of sad stories pop up. To do this, even especially not have to spend a long search on the Internet. So 13 August 2012, in one of the premises of the bath-and-laundry complex of military unit No. XXUMX in Mulino, was found the dead 06709-year-old draftee from Saratov, Dmitry Bochkarev. His body contained traces of numerous injuries. In connection with the violent death of a serviceman, a criminal case was initiated. It turned out that his colleague, with whom they guarded the bath complex, mocked the soldier during 19 weeks.

Earlier, 28 July 2012, in the military unit No. 06709, Private Sergey Alexandrov (served for a month) shot the junior sergeant. According to the conclusion of military medics, Aleksandrov suffers from a chronic mental disorder in the form of paranoid schizophrenia. After establishing this fact, he was transferred from the SIZO to the Nizhny Novgorod Regional Psycho-Neurological Hospital. Kashchenko. At the same time, the question remains as to how a young man with such a diagnosis could be in the ranks of the armed forces and get into weapon.

In the same year, 2012, on May 2, one of the guided anti-tank missiles exploded at a military ground in Mulino during unloading ammunition from a car. As a result, 5 soldiers died at the site of the explosion, another died later in the hospital, 3 soldiers were injured by shrapnel. All the dead were conscripts.

In 2008, on the night of 18 in November, the 25-year-old platoon commander in Mulino shot a contract soldier from Dagestan, and also wounded his buddy's 2's. According to the preliminary version of the investigation, the victims extorted money from the officer, according to another version, the suspect refused to return their debt.

In the 2006 year, at least 3 cases occurred in the garrison, which were covered in the media. 19 April in a forest belt near the unit was found by a soldier of conscript service. Earlier, on April 5, a conscript soldier died. The ACS under its control went under the water and the soldier drowned. Also in 2006, the captain of this military unit beat a conscript soldier to a state of paralysis.

Information sources:
-http: //www.kp.ru/daily/26043.5/2957537
-http: //www.ng.ru/nvo/2012-02-09/1_virus.html
-http: //www.46tv.ru/line/russia/014565/
-http: //www.newsru.com/russia/28apr2006/mulin.html
-http: //www.kp.ru/online/news/1362713
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  1. 689valera
    689valera 19 March 2013 08: 36
    +2
    RA reforms in action !!!
  2. BARKAS
    BARKAS 19 March 2013 08: 50
    +4
    The humanization of the army read the headline and for some reason the first thing that came to mind was the inflatable tanks, but what is written in the article is a violation of the law and should be punished for this.
    1. sergeschern
      sergeschern 19 March 2013 23: 29
      0
      I would fill this colonel’s face, since the prosecutor’s office does not punish him!
  3. Hon
    Hon 19 March 2013 08: 51
    +8
    Well, comrades, fermented patriots, three-time URA ...
    1. Son
      Son 19 March 2013 09: 54
      +7
      What does it have to do with patriots ..? Mess, sir!
      1. Hon
        Hon 19 March 2013 10: 04
        +4
        Quote: Son
        What does it have to do with patriots ..? Mess, sir!

        It’s just that when articles about unwillingness to serve in the domestic armed forces appear, proposals begin to be strewed by all forks to drive into the army, to hit those who did not serve in their rights, and to prosecute. You can deal with the mess first, you see, and there will be less dodgers.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 March 2013 10: 06
          0
          Quote: Hon
          It's just that when articles about unwillingness to serve in the domestic armed forces appear, offers to pound everyone with a pitchfork begin to pour in

          That is, you advocate the selective implementation of laws, in particular the Constitution?
          1. Hon
            Hon 19 March 2013 10: 17
            +8
            Quote: Spade
            That is, you advocate the selective implementation of laws, in particular the Constitution?

            This is demagoguery. Well, tell us about the constitution of the mother of a soldier who was beaten by colleagues !!! What will she answer? There is a reason for reluctance to serve, but we prefer to fight the investigation, they say young people are not patriotic, they only think about money and hold on to their mother’s skirt. And you do not feel a sense of shame and frustration, from the realization that in our army we should be proud to be driven by force, and the service begins to resemble a prison term? Why there were no such problems after the Second World War, I do not mean deviators about treating a soldier like a cattle?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 March 2013 10: 23
              0
              This is not demagogy, this is the law. And it cannot be performed selectively. Because this selectivity tends to spread.

              Quote: Hon
              And you do not feel a sense of shame and frustration, from the realization that in our army we should be proud to be driven by force, and the service begins to resemble a prison term?

              And you do not feel shame and frustration from the realization that the state is forced to prevent murders and robberies by the threat of criminal punishment?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 19 March 2013 18: 10
              -1
              Quote: Hon
              Well, tell us about the constitution of the mother of a soldier who was beaten by colleagues !!!

              Sucker - this is fate, this will be slaughtered everywhere, even in the army, even in civilian life.
              Quote: Hon
              And you do not feel a sense of shame and frustration, from the realization that in our army we should be proud to be driven by force, and the service begins to resemble a prison term?

              I am ashamed of compatriots who, without any shame, shy away from the honorable and necessary duty to defend their homeland.
              Quote: Hon
              Why there were no such problems after the Second World War, I do not mean deviators about treating a soldier like a cattle?

              You do not know anything about the problems of the army after the Second World War.
              1. ljuger
                ljuger 20 March 2013 16: 35
                0
                the army is a structure and order, not a gang where the leaders and suckers. I am ashamed of the officers who do not allow compatriots to be honorable and need to defend their homeland.
              2. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 20 March 2013 19: 26
                0
                Sucker - this is fate, this will be slaughtered everywhere, even in the army, even in civilian life.

                How easy it is for you, simple and understandable - I am already amazed. It only seems to me that behind this phrase lies something that strangely resembles helplessness and unwillingness to sacrifice one's comfort, instead of putting things in order.
                Why should we do this? Why do you only hear - "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers" Where are the committees of the fathers of soldiers ??? !!! After all, these are your sons! But no - for the most part you prefer to push sofas with a bottle of beer, staring at football or hockey, or something else. Shame on you men! Thank God that at least not for everyone ...
            3. Alekseev
              Alekseev 20 March 2013 12: 02
              +2
              Correctly you write about mother ..
              ButHaving repeatedly conducted investigations about hazing, I had to talk, including with the mothers, not of the victims, but of the criminals.
              None of them said that her son ...
              He was good (before the army, of course) did not drink, did not smoke.
              And then suddenly began to poke a penis in the mouth of another recourse
              Not for nothing, not for nothing, you see! request He was probably trained as an officer!
              And the victim, according to her, is to blame. He is bad.
              But her lack of attention ... to, a completely different matter ..., good.
              The army should serve not children, but adult citizens by harsh but fair laws
              Children in kindergarten, school committee
        2. Son
          Son 19 March 2013 10: 19
          +1
          I get it. The army is part of society ...
        3. OneMoreDay
          OneMoreDay 19 March 2013 10: 52
          0
          Dodging is cowardice. The same cowards are afraid to give change, or at least bring information about violations to their superiors, as a result your "mess" is possible with such cowards. Because it is revealed after the fact. There is no need to fight, it is better to dodge or serve a year. The uncles from the outside should put things in order ..
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 19 March 2013 17: 04
            +3
            Or maybe the question is not about the "bad" youth, but about the officers? The "unpatriotic nature" of young people in this (in the article) case has nothing to do with it. Soldiers served, did not shy away.
            This is an officer, in order to HIM, I repeat, HIM (well, maybe his commander) had no problems in his service, career, went on a forgery, having expelled sick conscripts in the field.
            The problem is in the officers (both the immediate one and his superior most likely) in the system, which gave them command over the people (this pair).
            1. Pushkar
              Pushkar 19 March 2013 23: 46
              0
              The problem is in the SPECIFIC COMMANDER OF A SPECIFIC PART. Most likely, Mr. Colonel simply lives in an organization. clearing с girls for higher authorities. There are plenty of places on the landfill. Knew such career workers. The rest of the affairs (service) they have no time to deal with.
              1. Hon
                Hon 20 March 2013 08: 23
                0
                Quote: Pushkar
                The problem is in the SPECIFIC COMMANDER OF A SPECIFIC PART.

                The problem is that such a commander is not alone.
            2. OneMoreDay
              OneMoreDay 20 March 2013 10: 42
              0
              You don’t understand if a person justifies his unwillingness to join the army potential danger, can he withstand pressure in general, including in civilian life. Or after a while, life will define him in a "flock of sheep" regardless of his self-conceit. And who should identify negligent commanders if there are no signals, if everyone is sheep-like?
              1. ljuger
                ljuger 20 March 2013 16: 43
                0
                a person distrusts the authorities in general and specifically to army commanders. And here is the danger. And how to signal to those whom you do not trust?
    2. OneMoreDay
      OneMoreDay 19 March 2013 10: 08
      +7
      The article puts pressure on emotions. Examples of death from disease, violence.
      If statistics on deaths in the army were given for reasons ... and for comparison, statistics on deaths per citizen among young people of a certain age (of course the army is a more structured society and accidents should be less frequent), then the value of the article would be higher. And so - pressure on emotions.

      PS Mentioning accidents during unloading, without analyzing whether the OH&S rules for such work were observed, is beyond the bounds: the army should educate in a boy a soldier who is aware of his actions, and not a hothouse toy "soldier" who can be allowed to the bowl, but to his danger , defender of the Fatherland, no, no
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 07
        +1
        Quote: OneMoreDay
        To compare the statistics of deaths in civilian life among young people of a certain age

        Do not forget that a person has been drafted into the army and the state that called him must take care of him. In civilian life, the same person is left to his own devices and the state will take care of him only after the need arises.
        Quote: OneMoreDay
        army must educate a soldier in a boy
        I agree, not following, hugging the battery, but a warrior. In our unit, the temperature in the barracks was +7, and in the medical unit +3. I was covered with 2 mattresses.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 19 March 2013 11: 29
          +1
          Quote: Uncle
          Do not forget that a person has been drafted into the army and the state that called him must take care of him.

          But also do not forget that he was drafted into the ARMY, and not to the marmalade factory.
          Quote: Uncle
          In our unit, the temperature in the barracks was +7, and in the medical unit +3. I was covered with 2 mattresses.

          It happened to us too, so what?
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 50
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets
            that he was drafted into the ARMY, and not to the marmalade factory.

            Don't exaggerate your strengths either, buddy. There are circumstances that will twist anyone into a ram's horn. And including you. Let the guys grow stronger, "understand the service", and then send the sick to the training ground.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 19 March 2013 12: 08
              +1
              Quote: Uncle
              You do not exaggerate your strengths, buddy.

              I'm not exaggerating my strengths, buddy.
              Quote: Uncle
              There are circumstances that wrap anyone into a ram’s horn. And you as well.

              Here I agree.
              Quote: Uncle
              Let the guys grow stronger, "understand the service", and then send the sick to the training ground.

              In principle, patients should be sent not to the training ground, but to the medical unit or hospital. Just so much with this concern for the soldier rush that already on the citizen began to perceive the word care as to continue in the army feeding my mother’s pies and walking with the girls.
            2. Shkodnik65
              Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 12: 17
              +8
              Sorry colleague, but this is demagoguery. The guys served in the army 100 and 50 and 10 years ago. But the problem of "getting stronger", "understanding the service" became acute only relatively recently. In general, the expression "understand the service" is rather ambiguous. Many, by the way, "understand" it even before they came to the unit. As for "getting stronger": in summer I can't open the window at night, all night long drunken screams, swearing, screeching and swearing. These are those "immature" ones that are buzzing like "May bees". I think that you understand what I mean. True, there are others that hang on the horizontal bar. They are in the minority, but as a rule they have no problems in the troops, tk. there is physical strength and character. But the "immature" need not this, but the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers.
              In relation to the commanders, I think that if the commander is GUILTY, then drive him with a nasty broom. But here it is necessary to UNDERSTAND! Without prejudice, political intrigue, populism and careerism ... which unfortunately today is impossible. "Soldier Moms" start and win ... request
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 19 March 2013 12: 38
                +1
                Quote: Shkodnik65
                but this is demagogy.

                I do not agree. You can kick this salabon, but try grandfather, you’ll get it at the butt. I served in the railway, there the officers ran from the soldiers ...
                1. Shkodnik65
                  Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 13: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Uncle
                  I do not agree. You can kick this salabon, but try grandfather, you’ll get it at the butt. I served in the railway, there the officers ran from the soldiers ...

                  This is all clear. Just point your finger at that part of my post where I disagree with you about this ??? belay
                  1. aviamed90
                    aviamed90 20 March 2013 13: 27
                    0
                    So these were not officers?
              2. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 20 March 2013 19: 38
                0
                But the "immature" need not this, but the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers.

                Yes, yes, again your mothers of soldiers are to blame. But I will also ask you: And where were you and are you - fathers of soldiers ??? Where are you?
        2. Cosmonaut
          Cosmonaut 19 March 2013 17: 17
          -1
          My grandfather kept my pigs at a warmer temperature.
          Reformists * yee * s.
        3. sergei_e
          sergei_e 19 March 2013 20: 06
          0
          at our "winter" training ground in the tent, frost on their faces appeared, and they slept on damp bunks. the water is constantly damp under our feet. the bath is cold, the food is not food. every week 10-15 soldiers were taken to the hospital. but after that no conditions are terrible ...
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 19 March 2013 20: 34
            +3
            it’s not in the conditions. soldiers of the Red Army and the SA in the 20-50s in Central Asia, the Far East and Transbaikalia managed to carry out the service and build their homes in the scorching heat and severe cold. and, according to eyewitnesses, rarely hurt. business in partnership and mutual assistance. immediately after the war, the father of a school friend was drafted into the railway troops and for several years built a railway line from Ulan-Ude to Ulan-Bator. remembered the terrible conditions with a smile, and the army comrades with respect and gratitude. with such people, not only some kind of heat there with a cold in the wild, but you can survive the most terrible war. what is now lacking - precisely that of the most elementary human qualities. but they do not begin with the army, but somewhat earlier. but where will all the necessary human qualities come from, if at the forefront of 20 years with a lighter something other than friendship, mutual assistance and the ideas of good in general ...

            in my brigade (in Transbaikalia) once artesian water left and with a drink-wash came a complete seam. once in winter there was an accident on the heating main and in the barracks it was -20 at -45 with an icy wind on the street. water from the nearest river was supplied by buckets in a chain; we went to wash every two weeks to the nearest garrison at Yasnaya station. in the barracks they slept dressed and additionally covered themselves with mattresses issued by foreman. everyone is alive - no one is sick. because they were friends, helped and shared what they could. therefore, all these everyday difficulties are now also recalled no more than an annoying misunderstanding.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 March 2013 20: 42
              +1
              The point is the worst draft contingent. In Soviet times, a teenager received a more balanced diet and better medical care than now.
              Accordingly, they were less sick. And now in 10-15% of those called up for quarantine, dystrophy is detected.
            2. Iraclius
              Iraclius 19 March 2013 20: 52
              +1
              In my opinion, the most adequate and visual commentary. Thank. hi
              In my unit, the barracks were repaired for two years and the soldiers lived in residential units - bunks and a stove-stove. They washed themselves with imported water from neutralik. For two years (the whole appeal!), All are alive and well, no pneumonia. Firewood on the street was sawn with a two-handed saw, the territory was cleaned, they were engaged in equipment in the fleet - nobody canceled the service. And commissions came. And somehow the commander was not removed, and in general no one. Although the modules were not the tropics. True, then they received ridiculous money. I, for example, a little more than 6000 p.
              I mean, the commanders are now put in such a clogged position that there is nowhere else to go. Just a little - they yell about these bonuses, as if they were paying them out of pocket. Ugh.
            3. ljuger
              ljuger 20 March 2013 17: 01
              0
              Judging by general comments and opinions, there is a problem, and it is precisely in the officer corps. I won’t go to war with such commanders. and millions like me, why not create officer units and let them show each other how to perform the service.
      2. Cosmonaut
        Cosmonaut 19 March 2013 17: 15
        0
        Keep in the cold, for example.
      3. ljuger
        ljuger 20 March 2013 16: 49
        0
        Of course, the army should educate, but why break it, especially destroy it at all? Drive all the soldiers with tanks, and then with a wave of his hand say: "S-weaklings!" And what kind of hardening is this by beatings and pneumonia - what kind of technique, from secret developments, probably?
  4. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 19 March 2013 09: 05
    +5
    Good! The word "Humanization" has nothing to do with what is described in the article, what is stated above is called a mess and irresponsibility, and among the people it is quite simple - race ... It's a pity for the dead guys, but most of the cases are most likely due to negligence and violations of rules and regulations. The charter is forgotten, but it was written in blood.
    1. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 19 March 2013 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: Dwarfik
      The charter is forgotten, and yet it is written in blood.

      It would be more correct to say the charter is not known, and therefore not aware that its articles are written in blood.
      Why something, and it’s impossible to give civilian aircraft control precisely, hence the cuts and kickbacks and idiotic orders.
      And about those who got sick after a ski run - whenever the unit commander stood with everyone on skis - this would not have happened.
      1. Hon
        Hon 19 March 2013 09: 48
        0
        Quote: Ghen75
        Why something, and it’s impossible to give civilian aircraft control precisely, hence the cuts and kickbacks and idiotic orders.

        The military are sawing no less and often more than civilians; by idiotic orders, the military is also world champions. But it really is impossible to give control of the armed forces to civilians; everyone should do his own thing.
        1. Shkodnik65
          Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 12: 20
          0
          The military are sawing not less, but often more than civilians,

          ... that for five years Comrade Serdyukov confirmed ... wassat
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 19 March 2013 10: 30
        +2
        Quote: Ghen75
        when the unit commander stood with everyone skiing - this would not have happened.

        This is absolutely true. We had an example at the school - one course commander with his own until the fifth year ran with them, the guys were surprised: "At his age, he runs! Two-core or something?" And the other one rode in a tram that walked parallel to the crossroad line down the street and shouted out the window: "Come on, come on, guys!" (as I saw, I sat down, as they say laughing )
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 09
          0
          I did not expect the existence of such military schools for women.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 19 March 2013 12: 57
            +2
            Quote: Uncle
            I did not expect the existence of such military schools for women.

            And you all the teachers were male officers? And we have women working in the department of foreign languages, and even mathematicians.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 19 March 2013 13: 22
              0
              I am not a military man. I thought you were a soldier in the image of the Israeli army.
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 19 March 2013 11: 15
          12
          Quote: Egoza
          We had an example at the school - one course commander with his own until the fifth year ran with them, the guys were surprised: "At his age, he runs! Two-core or something?"


          I don’t know, and on an urgent basis the platoon and company commander together in dreams on marches and even on exercises ran, and becoming an officer himself always doesn’t want to if you don’t do what you force the soldiers as a commander you will be an eternal "lace" in their eyes. I remember I drove a group of frost to the cross, where for minus thirty in the form of clothing number 4, he ran in a tunic and a hat. There were quite a few guys from the Caucasus, Georgians in the group. Azerbaijanis and one Armenian, after the cross, it was impossible to look at their noses without laughing, of course, but no one skidded and tried to "shit". For they knew that the commander would still force. And the Azerbaijanis in general were brought up simply - I could not run a cross or march, I was frightened of a hole in the obstacle course. zakosil from general work means not a man and in the evening verification you will not be called OGLA and GIZY until you correct yourself, it acted well. Two years later, they left for demobilization as foremen, were encouraged by a letter of thanks to their homeland and a photograph at the deployed base of the unit. boxing).
          Of course, there was enough stupidity, and standing on the parade ground and songs in gas masks and hazing was true, though it was not allowed to be mocked, all this was strictly suppressed by traditional and non-traditional methods. They killed everything good that was in the SA, and the whole mess, along with new cynical market relations, migrated to the Russian army, where extortion began to flourish, and money kickbacks for indulgence in service starting with the rank and file soldier were sent not by the FATHERS but TIMES, for which the main thing is not the order and care of subordinates but the fastest promotion with the ensuing politism and fraud. So we are reaping the benefits. And no one, judging by the article, is going to change this existing system with tough measures.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 52
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            All the good things that were in the SA were killed, and the whole mess, coupled with new cynical market relations, migrated to the Russian army

            I agree.
          2. Normal
            Normal 19 March 2013 13: 32
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            And no one ............... this system is not going to change tough measures.

            This is what causes outrage. Talking over the edge, but few real actions.
            The Army should have a Commander-in-Chief who shares with her all sorrows and joys, all her problems and successes. The commander-in-chief should live an army life, be a part of the Army and not represent himself outside its ranks. The same can be said of downstream commanders.
            And our commander-in-chief is an official who does not care about the problems of the Armed Forces, his problems are above the roof. Subordinate commanders understand all this very well and in accordance with the principle of "do as I do" they also become "officials", only in uniform.
            And the soldier, as the most powerless and unrequited part of the military machine, will "steadfastly endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service" with all the ensuing diseases, bullying, hazing and other delights of army life.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 19 March 2013 16: 01
              +5
              Quote: Normal
              The Army should have a Commander-in-Chief who shares with her all sorrows and joys, all her problems and successes. The commander-in-chief should live an army life, be a part of the Army and not represent himself outside its ranks. The same can be said of downstream commanders.


              Here the problem is a little deeper ... the continuity and traditions disappeared, as in the scientific community it is customary to say "school". In the 90s, the middle level of the officer corps (commanders of companies and battalions) was mainly vibrated on which the whole army was supported. there were only colonels who were retired and whose lieutenants had no one to "teach", a dozen years later the colonels retired, and the lieutenants grew to the level of commanders, cooking in their own juice and adjusting to market relations in the army, which for some became almost the norm. Here everything is military education, where cadets could take tests for money and legalized thieves 'sale of property, and the same thieves' outsourcing and ... and ... and ..
              One be equal to all the thieves quietly afraid to not solve the problem here ..
              Another thing is that the Civil Code is not Peter the Great based on personally loyal and not those who are loyal to the state, and among personally loyal or pretending, as we see, not everyone is happy about the matter more than for their wallet.
              I have said more than once that the law Frames decide everything or make the government turn to face state interests. or they will lose this power, the experience of the USSR when this Stalinist principle was distorted led to the degradation of the elite and the collapse of the country.
              Putin pursues a policy of compromise with both yours and ours, squeezing out the most odious, but sooner or later, you still have to enter into the open. But is he ready for this? Only he knows.
              1. Normal
                Normal 19 March 2013 16: 10
                +1
                Ascetic

                I agree.

                Or maybe the President should not be the Commander-in-Chief? Maybe there are other options? what
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 19 March 2013 17: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal
                  Or maybe the President should not be the Commander-in-Chief? Maybe there are other options?


                  Whoever Cheget is worn by and makes a decision, the President, Moscow Region, and the National High School of Arts will understand for three of us. . The system will be activated only if encoded confirmations are received from two of them.
              2. Alekseev
                Alekseev 20 March 2013 08: 31
                0
                Quote: Ascetic
                Here the problem is somewhat deeper ... the continuity and traditions disappeared, as in the scientific community it is customary to say "school

                Maybe yes.
                For me, for example, the case described in the article is some kind of mixture of insanity and absurdity.
                Or, which is very possible, embellished as they could.
                Or the commanders of units (subunits) have turned over the years of reform and experimentation into the inhabitants of the region are not frightened fools. what
                Let the commander of this Mulin part be heartless and inhuman, but how he is not afraid to send patients to a cold room, without honey. oversight?
                Given the health of the current young warriors, a death may occur!
                Wonderful are your works!
          3. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 20 March 2013 19: 50
            0
            And no one, judging by the article, is going to change this existing system with tough measures.

            So take care, since you are an officer! And we will help the whole world. yes Just do everything right, and the people will support you. We have more correct people who are not poisoned by "Western values", I dare to hope.
  5. Dimani
    Dimani 19 March 2013 09: 37
    +2
    until there are real terms for such concealment, or a minimum of demotion in the rank, then this will continue
    1. Hon
      Hon 19 March 2013 09: 58
      +2
      Quote: Dimani
      until there are real terms for such concealment, or a minimum of demotion in the rank, then this will continue

      CEP fully agrees. Even funny, the commander who froze the sick soldier, committed a forgery of documents, and generally tried to check, received a severe reprimand. In the best traditions ...
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 12: 25
        +3
        Even funny, the commander who froze the sick soldier, committed a forgery of documents, and generally tried to check, received a severe reprimand.

        It’s funny not only this, but also the fact that 40-60 percent of what is written in the article can be ... shit. This happens too ... tongue
        1. Hon
          Hon 20 March 2013 08: 35
          0
          Quote: Shkodnik65
          It’s funny not only this, but also the fact that 40-60 percent of what is written in the article can be ... shit. This happens too ...

          And what is the point of lying? Indeed, there are many cases; I learn from my peers returning. Everything depends on the part, everywhere in different ways.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 20 March 2013 09: 40
            0
            I don’t know what is the point of lying.
            But prosecutors do not reprimand! They can make a submission, institute criminal proceedings.
            And if one nonsense is heaps, then wait for the rest.
            It is possible zhurnalyuga inflated.
            I would like to believe.
            And then the minister for 5 years created the indescribable, the commanders of parts of the down ...
            It becomes scary and bitter ...
  6. Mikado
    Mikado 19 March 2013 09: 39
    +3
    I’m wondering when we have already introduced the responsibility of the IHC and its chairmen personally, for sending "unsuitable" guys to serve, and then they either die or shoot their comrades.
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 March 2013 09: 42
    +4
    The article very well covers the facts of the deaths of military personnel, but forgets to point out the reasons for this death. The shell exploded, the self-propelled guns drowned - these are not the reasons, these are the consequences ... but the consequences of what? Hush up? As in the best articles of the yellow press, we’ll throw more horror films on the reader, but why yes, let him invent it himself?
    1. dmb
      dmb 19 March 2013 10: 28
      +5
      I absolutely agree with you. The author managed to quote without even changing the style. The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, the organization is certainly significant, especially when you consider that quite strong men who are in its leadership speculate on maternal feelings, and it is financed through the State Department. Colonel Sukhoruchenko, of course, is m ... rare, for the fact is obvious. But dozens of soldiers clinging to one battery? Can you imagine this picture? Another question is that Sukhoruchenko did not take out the soldiers because of outright sadism, but because he was afraid of losing very substantial monetary allowances for his satisfaction, because of the large number of patients in the unit. Is there only wine Sukhoruchenko in this? Not sure. I’m judging by the more than modest reaction of the prosecutor’s office, which would have been more profitable with such publicity, just to kick Sukhoruchenko. It is no secret to anyone that the most socially disadvantaged sections of the population, whose parents not only have money for a university, don’t have normal child nutrition, enter the army. Hence the massive colds. This does not mean that the fathers-commanders are white and fluffy. Different, like all people.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 March 2013 10: 45
        +2
        Quote: dmb
        Is there only wine Sukhoruchenko in this?

        Is there any fault of command in diseases in general? I'm not sure.

        But the army has created an idiotic system of responsibility of commanders for everything.
        The foreman of my battery goes for the conscripts, there he meets with fellow countrymen, notes this case and flies in. Police, sobering-up station, and all other delights. As a result, I get a strict "for improper upbringing" ensign, who is twice my age, and I lose the 13th.

        It is because of this vicious practice that the concealment is going on. Which actually just rolls over.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 19 March 2013 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          As a result, I get a strict "for improper upbringing" ensign, who is twice my age, and I lose the 13th.

          On the 13th you were illegally deprived, I don’t know how the 13th is being deprived for specific personal misconduct and omissions.
          Order MO number 200 from 2006 has already been canceled? Here it was necessary to deprive prapora.
          .The commanders are entitled to reduce the size of the bonus to military personnel or to deprive them completely for omissions in the service and violation of military discipline. In this case, the order indicates specific reasons for the reduction (deprivation) of the premium. Direct instructions not to pay this premium to individualshaving uncollected penalties (paragraph 211) in the order of MO No. 200 is not.
          I would have lost such a comrade commander’s prize myself
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 March 2013 13: 48
            0
            In fact, twice illegally, another half a year has not passed since the adoption of the post. Moreover, half a year since the time of the assignment of the first officer, too. But I didn’t know then. The commander was also deprived, but he did not bump into this. So maybe it’s good that I didn’t know.
        2. vlbelugin
          vlbelugin 19 March 2013 22: 34
          0
          This is still nothing. 80th. I was on vacation. My soldiers went to the self-propelled gun with drunkenness. I came back from vacation and received a severe sentence for poor upbringing. The winged words of the division commander Molozhaev; "The commander in Sochi on the beach is responsible for his soldiers."
          And my self-propelled gunners said that this marked my vacation. Well. He laughed. This is how it ended. The reprimand was quickly removed. Business then. In those years, we did not have any money supplements. Penalties influenced the rank and position. Therefore, six months before receiving the rank, the officers were like silk. And after "marking" on the banks of the Pripyat they again became normal officers.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 March 2013 23: 12
            0
            Did we have any? We then simply den. the allowance was delayed for 2-3 months. Semi-official earned money. From their own money they bought soap and soap and written on subordinates. It was bad.
          2. Felix200970
            Felix200970 19 March 2013 23: 48
            +1
            Quote: vlbelugin
            This is still nothing. 80th. I was on vacation. My soldiers went to the self-propelled gun with drunkenness. I came back from vacation and received a severe sentence for poor upbringing. The winged words of the division commander Molozhaev; "The commander in Sochi on the beach is responsible for his soldiers."

            And the funny thing is that nothing was done for the company’s politician lol Actually, the article is strange. And the comments are also from the category "how we were in the hospital." Somehow successfully the mother of the tattered soldier found out that instead of the medical unit, the son was kept at the training ground (and it's cold there). Is Maman playing the Shepherd Dogs from the Soldiers' Committee? mothers (the boys from the 1937 NKVD model nervously smoke on the sidelines), and those, in turn, the military prosecutor's office. Well, the prosecutor naturally decided everything after the county inspectors. The lieutenant (I will note Nach honey) and the unit commander were to blame. Well, the commander of the unit in the state is supposed to be guilty of everything, so the stricter for him is, if not to the pleportion, then perhaps even too much. I don't know how things are now in the RF Armed Forces with the regular categories of doctors, but a lieutenant in the position of Nachmed in a military unit is too much. The corporal must be assigned to the lieutenant himself, so that he does not get lost on the road, and he is already in the position of the head of the service. Here is the commander and "buzz" as he pleases. In principle, it also depends on the character of the person. But not a single commander will overwhelm a seasoned officer. Moreover, the chief medical officer is primarily responsible for saving the lives of patients, and then the commander
      2. Normal
        Normal 19 March 2013 14: 10
        +1
        Quote: dmb
        But dozens of soldiers clinging to one battery? Can you imagine this picture?

        Not only can I imagine, but I myself was among them. There was only one slightly warm battery in the company’s location. After practicing at the shooting range, the whole company hung on this battery like bees on the uterus during the swarming period. There was nowhere to stick his hand.
        Can you imagine how a company of soldiers fits in three BMD-1? But they were placed, experimentally and repeatedly proven.
        Yes, the article is somewhat superficial and tendentious. The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers is generally "that faq cannot be" Nonsense .... What other "committees"? This is an army and the place of mothers is not provided for in it.
        But the fact is that the real attitude towards the personnel in the Armed Forces is such that it is neither in a fairy tale, nor in a pen (in an article) to describe. The soldier is a consumable item. You can use it to the maximum. What will become of him? Sores earned in the army will come out later, but while he is young and healthy, you can do whatever you want with him. I will quote only one phrase of our chief of staff: "While the soldier is in the ranks, nothing will happen to him!" I will add that the temperature was only 0, -3 (Azerbaijan), but due to the high humidity and wind, only l / c had frostbite ears.
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 20 March 2013 19: 56
          0
          This is an army and the place of mothers is not provided for in it.

          And the place of fathers is provided?
          1. Normal
            Normal 21 March 2013 07: 06
            0
            Quote: Kahlan Amnell
            And the place of fathers is provided?

            But what about? "Fathers" are commanders, so to speak ... True, when I served there was a soldier saying: "it's better to be an orphan than to have such" fathers "
      3. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 19 March 2013 16: 19
        0
        Why does no one remember that Slavyanka is now responsible for heating the military unit?
        And then "Slavyanka" is responsible for the temperature in the room now, isn't it?
        She should be put on trial - Serdyukov himself removed responsibility from the command of the military units, giving KECHI and KEU "Slavyanka" and her daughters.
  8. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 19 March 2013 09: 54
    13
    The 25-year-old platoon commander in Mulino shot and killed a contract soldier from Dagestan, and also wounded 2 of his friends. According to the preliminary version of the investigation, the victims extorted money from the officer, according to another version, the suspect refused to return the debt to them .............. Whenever the officer began to borrow money from the soldier, he most likely shot this monkey they used to behave like jackals before their merits, and now, warmed up by the authorities, they are brutalized at the end.
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 19 March 2013 11: 12
      0
      Now this officer will sit and rot in prison for a long, long time. Cool...
    2. Shkodnik65
      Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 12: 31
      +2
      And as a confirmation of permissiveness (though not from that opera) the behavior of the PRESIDENT !!!!!! Chechnya at the football match. angry
  9. zvereok
    zvereok 19 March 2013 10: 06
    +5
    Yesterday the guy came to the draft board, he says - he wants to serve. Employees of the military registration and enlistment office were surprised and began to question. It turned out that the parents made the boy go to medical school, and he desperately did not want to, so he solved his problem by serving in the army.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 March 2013 10: 11
      +5
      Also an option, respect for a guy! smile
    2. Hon
      Hon 19 March 2013 10: 21
      0
      And cho?)) I also said so to the military commissar, only came after graduation, only he did not care in our area for several years in a row overkill. My friend from two universities left the army at the beginning of the XNUMXs, served, fought now, works at the Federal Penitentiary Service.
      1. Son
        Son 19 March 2013 10: 36
        +2
        Once, a colleague asked me, using acquaintances, to "arrange" my son in the Airborne Forces, in the linear part (so that the "rolls" would not relax ..) However, there was a problem! Really "arrange" ... Funny ..!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 19 March 2013 10: 51
          +1
          However, there was a problem! Really "arrange" ... Funny ..!

          Maybe all for the best, the first sprouts? laughing
          1. Son
            Son 19 March 2013 11: 21
            0
            God grant ...
        2. Felix200970
          Felix200970 19 March 2013 23: 52
          0
          Quote: Son
          However, there was a problem! Really "arrange" ... Funny ..!

          In Ukraine, this has long been: if you do not want to serve - 500 bucks, you want to serve - 500 bucks. Exaggerating of course, but lately getting to serve on the emergency has become even more difficult
    3. Felix200970
      Felix200970 19 March 2013 23: 50
      0
      Quote: zvereok
      Yesterday the guy came to the draft board, he says - he wants to serve. Employees of the military registration and enlistment office were surprised and began to question.

      Tin. Although predictable laughing
  10. understudy
    understudy 19 March 2013 10: 30
    +2
    They were humanized to the pen. Liberalism is harmful in all its manifestations, for there is a form of cowardice and betrayal. The army is not a kindergarten where the commander must wipe the snot.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 20 March 2013 20: 24
      0
      They were humanized to the pen. Liberalism is harmful in all its manifestations, for there is a form of cowardice and betrayal. The army is not a kindergarten where the commander must wipe the snot.

      Yes, not a kindergarten. Yes, I shouldn't wipe the snot. But he shouldn't make fun of the soldiers either. The soldier is not the commander's "movable property" after all. Boys must serve, must learn to protect mothers, wives, and children in case of need. But this does not mean at all that the commander can dispose of the life and health of a soldier at his own whim. There must be strict responsibility for this. Responsibility not for the fact that your soldier fell ill, but for the fact that you did not immediately send him to the medical unit or hospital. Or for arranging such "trips". And the punishment is not a reprimand, but more serious. Therefore, it seems to me that the military prosecutor's office in such cases is simply engaged in covering up.
  11. zao74
    zao74 19 March 2013 10: 53
    +1
    Answer the mess ye; yj with criminal cases. And what does "humanization" have to do with it?
    1. Explore
      Explore 19 March 2013 14: 58
      +1
      I agree. For this, humanization began to get rid of grandfatherhood.
      By the way, you need to learn from the Yankees. There, a sergeant can cover all the mats of a soldier, but every touch, not like a blow, is regulated by the charter.

      In general, the GIRL FROM UNDERSTANDING !!! From personal experience, when the soldiers are "pulled to the limit" by drill, combat or sports training, he thinks of only one thing - where and how to take a nap. And if the old-timers suddenly have nothing to do, they kill time ... Maiming the young.
  12. piterkras
    piterkras 19 March 2013 11: 14
    -7
    As long as the weak and strong serve in the Army, hazing and humiliation of the weak will not stop. Learn how to serve with Caucasians. They serve very worthily and do not allow themselves to be treated like cattle and to lay a bolt on themselves. They themselves will still strain.
    1. Shkodnik65
      Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 12: 37
      0
      Learn how to serve with Caucasians. They serve very worthily and do not allow themselves to be treated like cattle,

      Separate the cutlets from the flies, dear! The fact that Caucasians, for the most part, do not allow themselves to be rude is true, but the fact that they serve with dignity ... as they say, "the question is certainly interesting." If there is a sensible "strong" commander - yes, they serve. And if not, then ...In 2008, on the night of November 18, a 25-year-old platoon commander in Mulino shot and killed a contract soldier from Dagestan, and also wounded two of his friends. According to the preliminary version of the investigation, the victims extorted money from the officer..
    2. Massik
      Massik 19 March 2013 13: 01
      +3
      Yeah, they serve - no matter how, just lay a bolt, such as the boltists laughing only they usually don’t stay with me, once you insert the letters, they immediately ask for a translation, but what do you mean: I don’t want to go to the kitchen, I want them to the floors, I want them to the nightstand !! Fuck you critters - a bolt in your ass !!! laughing
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 13: 28
        +2
        they serve - no matter how, just lay a bolt

        Well, there are different situations ... When I was a company commander, I put two Azeris as "locks", as I remember now: Budagov and Akmukhamedov. I didn't know grief. Budagov, so he left for demobilization as a candidate member of the CPSU (for those who know what it is). Incidentally, this is the only case in my entire 30-year service. In general, I realized one thing: there should be no more than two Caucasians in a company, and no more than ten people in a unit, otherwise problems are possible ...
        1. Massik
          Massik 21 March 2013 00: 51
          0
          Dear it, when it was then?))) Then you could climb into the Caucasus Mountains without fear and doubt, right now try ka)))
    3. Explore
      Explore 19 March 2013 15: 02
      0
      I do not agree. Caucasians are uncontrollable. Faith does not allow them to get out, to work in vain. Their strength is only in quantity and cohesion.

      Although I agree that in general they are more "athletic" and "fighting" in the individual standings. Culture so to speak. But the officers don't like them.
  13. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 19 March 2013 11: 19
    +4
    Hazing needs to be eradicated, it is unambiguous. But the fact is that this evil suits many officers T.K. it turns out that the elderly take on part of their duties.
    In order to humanize the army, you need to make the Charter humane, and this is not
    It is possible. With regard to the concealment of facts, it was very often in the Soviet Army and you can’t get anywhere from it. In general, young people are now weak.
    ba, both morally and physically, and from this all the trouble. We were stronger.
  14. toldanger
    toldanger 19 March 2013 11: 23
    0
    Sorry for the guys ... Anything can happen.
  15. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 19 March 2013 11: 45
    0
    you forgot that the commander is responsible for all this and scolded him for a reprimand. Yes, you need to remove them to hell. Looking at him others will start to move. I repeat many times already, it all depends on the commander's exactingness and example. In the training there was a colonel of the Alyans for charging then he ran with us all day at work and organized competitions in the evening. Let's say whoever lifts his kettlebell more goes on vacation by the evening train, as you know, rarely could anyone do it. Yes, and when he was escorted to retirement, many in the ranks had tears in their eyes. remember.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 March 2013 12: 45
      0
      To take off? Great offer. The rest will be hidden more carefully.

      And everything will be outwardly beautiful and dignified.
  16. erased
    erased 19 March 2013 11: 47
    -2
    These commanders who drove sick soldiers, at the first threat, surrender to the enemy. And then they will also serve him. These are no longer officers.
    But what’s in the heads of a soldier’s mustache after this is hard to say. But the mental breakdown definitely happened.
  17. shurup
    shurup 19 March 2013 11: 49
    +3
    I didn’t get it. Sat and froze? A little fire to build? With the simultaneous cleaning of the territory of the landfill from trash. City probably.
    The inspector would say that I have to teach life safety training - they send me complete stupidity from a citizen - except for a pen and a glass, nothing can be trusted, and even then with errors.
  18. SIT
    SIT 19 March 2013 13: 26
    +5
    I won’t give a link, I don’t remember who I read. Zhukov, along with the commander and commander, circumvented the position of the reserve division, which was located in the forest in the winter at night. All personnel in boots and overcoats. Zhukov is summoning some battalion commander — where are the fur coats and boots? I can’t know Comrade Marshal! The same question to the division commander. The quartermasters did not have time to give a ride, soon ... Zhukov - exchange a short fur coat with the battalion commander, and you need his overcoat. If you don’t have felt boots and short fur coats in this overcoat before night, you will go to the penal battalion. All. Dot. May reintroduce penal battalions for officers? Private for a couple of months with the appropriate salary. And no barracks! All the time in the field and sleeping in tents at best. But for each case of sending to the penal battalion a full report to the military prosecutor's office of the district. If it is unfair, then the sender himself goes there. A non-commissioned officer who is older, more experienced, and alone in the squad, and not in the platoon as a lieutenant, must fight hazing. After 2 weeks, the most freedom-loving abrek should have only one thought in his head that other thoughts can appear in him only by order of a non-commissioner. Moreover, this list includes and eat, sleep, piss, etc.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 20 March 2013 09: 56
      0
      An example is good, but naive!
      He clearly shows that Marshal Zhukov had real power over the army entrusted to him, and he did not look back at any committee other than Comrade. Stalin and his conscience.
      Today, from the glorious deeds and reforms, all, or almost all of the normal officers from the army have fled. There are still those who serve "for fear" (bonus), and "not for conscience". Unther will fight hazing laughing . And where do you cutie now find such a non-commissioned fighter, without real rights and powers? Will he fight reprimands? Or fists? If fists, it can even sit down. And the prosecutors will not understand what, he, they say, fought with incompetence.
      Now even the "freedom-loving abreks" know the laws, and how they are interpreted and executed. And if they do not know, then their friends will teach them.
      No, he will say: if such a smart SIT, go non-commissioned yourself, they will give you a bonus.
      1. SIT
        SIT 20 March 2013 12: 32
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        And where do you cutie now find such a non-commissioned fighter, without real rights and powers?

        Unther is not personally Fedyrych or Vasilich, non-profit is a part of the system with the corresponding rights and authorities. Without them, it makes no sense to introduce the institute of non-commissioners. The appearance of non-commissioners should be the result of systemic shifts in the structure of the army as a whole, and not vice versa. For example, introducing non-commissioned companies without returning a full guardhouse is pointless. You can only introduce an innovation that corresponds to the current worship in front of the golden calf and has long been accepted by our sworn friends - the entire guard receives a salary from the money content of those arrested.
        Quote: Alekseev
        Now even the "freedom-loving abreks" know the laws, and how they are interpreted and executed. And if they don't know, then their friends will teach them

        Yes, let them at least defend a doctorate in jurisprudence! There is a main law - an order! They are obliged to fulfill it and only then appeal. Failure to comply with the order should automatically lead to the lip, and when repeated to the disbat. There, everyone should be taken on an excursion in advance. Arranging any hell on earth strictly according to the Charter is much simpler than scuffle and humiliation.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 20 March 2013 15: 04
          0
          I completely agree with you about the system and the meaning. good
          But they obviously don’t want to restore order. and nowhere. recourse
          And here we are breaking spears, they say that Sukhodruchenko is a scoundrel, they say when it was so that the soldiers were sick and hid them like bag things ...
  19. Volkhov
    Volkhov 19 March 2013 14: 04
    +1
    The army is a part of society and, like society, it is disarmed, and everyday hooliganism is possible in it. Statements about "you have to be strong" are demagoguery, all people are different, there must be a law.
    For some reason hazing did not occur in the forest with weapons, and options were possible in the barracks. Conscience in the army (following the example of cooks) was enough for 3 months, then the food was normal if one of the cooks was sitting on his lip.
    In the American army, as well as in society, weapons in hand and cases of sadism are not known on a comparable scale. It's just that the Americans are our senior ally, like the Roman citizens, and the "Russian" army is the natives in the service of America, who are given weapons before the battle and the attitude is appropriate.
    In the Russian army, weapons were on hand and hazing was unknown - there was mentoring when a young soldier was attached to the "uncle", but then the country was not a colony either.
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 March 2013 14: 45
    0
    All the same, do not care for the army. Until the people see real organizational conclusions and punishments, they will hide and mow. And no new rags and guns can be lured into the army.
  21. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 19 March 2013 14: 47
    +1
    Quote: zvereok
    Yesterday the guy came to the draft board, he says - he wants to serve. Employees of the military registration and enlistment office were surprised and began to question. It turned out that the parents made the boy go to medical school, and he desperately did not want to, so he solved his problem by serving in the army.

    There is a contractor in one of the GRU brigades, he graduated from the institute, his father is the head of a large private security company, and he asked for special forces, remained on a contract, they promised him mountains of gold on a civilian, and he says until I become an officer, I will serve, like that!
  22. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 19 March 2013 14: 51
    0
    Quote: Blad_21617
    The 25-year-old platoon commander in Mulino shot and killed a contract soldier from Dagestan, and also wounded 2 of his friends. According to the preliminary version of the investigation, the victims extorted money from the officer, according to another version, the suspect refused to return the debt to them .............. Whenever the officer began to borrow money from the soldier, he most likely shot this monkey they used to behave like jackals before their merits, and now, warmed up by the authorities, they are brutalized at the end.

    We have a unit in the OTA in Orenburg, here at one time all the representatives of the mountains began to be exiled when their number reached more than half, they stopped shaving, walked with knives, didn’t talk to the major less than you can imagine how it was Russian, and it was in 2010.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 19 March 2013 15: 02
      0
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      stopped shaving, walked with knives, didn’t speak with a major less than

      I served with a scoop in the railway, the same as a construction battalion. There were no dugs, there were Czechs. In general, all nationalities were, even rare. But she could not come to the head not to shave and walk with a knife. Officers were persecuted, if at all. For example, they dug a trench 5 km, gl.2m, then the team, move 1 meter to the left. And this is someone's chord! But this is a rare case, and now the highlanders are brainwashed that they are special, so they show off.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 19 March 2013 15: 54
        +1
        I would like to see how, dear, you are chasing officers in the Soviet army. lol
  23. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 19 March 2013 14: 57
    +1
    If you draw a parallel through the troops, the conclusion suggests itself: in the Airborne Forces, the Special Forces are recruiting athletes, the suitability of A and only Russians, the rest of the clans are normal Russians with lower categories of suitability, and mountain ones with categories of sport and convicted, that's where the dedication and crime, can it be like sending paratroopers to the police patrol in ordinary units with the right to punitive actions?
  24. rereture
    rereture 19 March 2013 15: 37
    +1
    The point is not only the cretinism of the bosses, but also the cretinism of the draftees themselves, damn it feels like everyone is completely violating safety procedures and regulations, from bosses to conscripts.
  25. Iraclius
    Iraclius 19 March 2013 15: 51
    +1
    I'm still waiting for the officer mothers to come together to tell.
    Tell how them waste waste material sons who were thrown out after optimization for a citizen live there.
    What kind of work they found, how their families eat richly. How many commit suicide or drink peacefully from hopelessness.
    But in fact - it is to what extent it is necessary to intimidate the officer corps with threats of prosecutorial checks, that the commanders already consciously prefer to commit a deliberate crime and harboring!
    This is a nightmare! fool
  26. Voin sveta82
    Voin sveta82 19 March 2013 16: 01
    0
    In kind .... the guys in the army do not want to go .. to serve ..... because of the snotty officers ...- chaos..shaped ...)))
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 19 March 2013 16: 11
      +1
      Actually, I didn’t write about this at all, but that the media always always covers everything extremely one-sidedly. Compared to Western colleagues, Russian officers have always shown themselves to be extremely professional. And some single cases do not give you any right to insultingly speak about the Russian officer corps.
  27. Viacheslav
    Viacheslav 19 March 2013 16: 06
    +1
    Sergey Alexandrov (served only a month) shot a junior sergeant. According to the conclusion of military doctors, Aleksandrov suffers from a chronic mental disorder in the form of paranoid schizophrenia. After establishing this fact, he was transferred from a pre-trial detention center to the Nizhny Novgorod Regional Psychoneurological Hospital named after Kashchenko. At the same time, the question remains how a young man with such a diagnosis could even be in the ranks of the armed forces and get arms


    Not so long ago, my friend with a torn spleen was found fit for service, so his parents had to go to court.
    Unfortunately, disrespect for the laws, statutes and rules is saturated throughout our society.
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 19 March 2013 16: 24
      +2
      A guy from a remote Mordovian village served in my company. At first, in the bath, he tried to wash later, as if he was shy. And then at one of the morning examinations (already after the oath of a young replenishment), it turned out that he did not have a big toe on his right foot - a short stump. He hid it to himself by scytheing. So, the guy begged the military commissar to be taken into the army. Then, when everything became clear, the company commander and the battalion commander begged not to be commissary, but given to serve. He ran with difficulty, limped. But he stubbornly fled. And he ran to the demobilization. A good driver came out of it, competent. The commander only spoke good words about him to his parents, a guy was awarded a photo against the background of an expanded military banner. You should have seen the eyes of his father. On February 23 I called, congratulated.
      For those guys who become real men, and do not whine and do not run to the committee to complain about the commanders - it takes pride for these!
      But you will never hear about this in the media. hi
  28. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 19 March 2013 17: 22
    +1
    Quote: piterkras
    As long as the weak and strong serve in the Army, hazing and humiliation of the weak will not stop. Learn how to serve with Caucasians. They serve very worthily and do not allow themselves to be treated like cattle and to lay a bolt on themselves. They themselves will still strain.

    Perhaps you yourself came down from the mountains? And if they have the main thing to gobble, then his rams will not raise their heads, the Russian should be more united !!!
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 19 March 2013 19: 35
      0
      Complete nonsense. Then they themselves will dig this main thing.
  29. andr327
    andr327 19 March 2013 17: 22
    0
    Regarding the committee of soldiers' mothers. Something I never heard that the representatives of the committee would meet with the mother of a soldier-unrestorer (and she raised him for almost 20 years)
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 20 March 2013 12: 22
      0
      And I never heard a committee of soldiers' mothers stand up for the rights of officers. These are also someone's children.
  30. O_RUS
    O_RUS 19 March 2013 18: 02
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: Uncle
    In our unit, the temperature in the barracks was +7, and in the medical unit +3. I was covered with 2 mattresses.

    It happened to us too, so what?


    Well this is not normal. We created a more comfortable accommodation for our patients in the field and t was above 10 degrees (and this is in winter in the tent). teach train harden For me, having a patient with a temperature in a platoon like this (during exercises on business trips, etc.) is an inadmissible luxury.
  31. amp
    amp 19 March 2013 19: 19
    +2
    Plant commander, part - to disband.
    1. sergei_e
      sergei_e 19 March 2013 20: 14
      0
      and at our training ground the division commander with foreman of the security platoon, the division’s products, were selling. Out of 10 cans of stew, 2.sup-field
      = water 50 l
    2. sergei_e
      sergei_e 19 March 2013 20: 19
      0
      and at our training ground the division commander with foreman of the security platoon, the division’s products, were selling. Out of 10 cans of stew, 2.sup-field
      = water 50 l
    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 20 March 2013 12: 23
      0
      So you will not save any parts.
  32. jjj
    jjj 19 March 2013 20: 12
    +1
    My son left to serve from the third year of the university. He left at the very end of the call. He served in the construction battalion. They have 90 percent of previous convictions. And from here - order. They beat - goats who steal from their own and get drunk to the point of insensibility. They beat the informers. And so - everything is tolerable. They also had dags. Those were kept in check. Yes, and the dags themselves live differently among themselves. There are quite sane and reliable guys. So one of these told my son, about his fellow tribesmen, that they are wild, from mountain villages. But he served when he was still two years old. And now they serve - a year. What are the grandfathers here. They just gather in Caudles like "in our area" and run wild.
    The situation described in the article is hard to believe. You try to send the conscript somewhere so easy. They should only be transported by buses. Otherwise, up to the dismissal of commanders. In the Northern Fleet, a fire drill was conducted in one training course. Water was poured from the brigade of several salagi. They immediately call their mothers. Committee of Soldiers' Mothers - to the Prosecutor's Office. They started a case. Starley, who directed the training, was kicked out of the fleet. Another example. Steamer of the same SF. The commander asks the officer of the watch: "Find out from the conscript, he will go up to dinner in the wardroom or bring him to the cockpit." None of the officers wants to have conscripts under their command - these are continuous hemorrhoids. And here we are offered to believe in the sadism of the commander of the military unit. If there was even a piece of the truth, he would have already given written evidence.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 March 2013 20: 57
      0
      Quote: jjj
      Steamer of the same SF. The commander asks the officer of the watch: "Find out from the conscript, he will go up to dinner in the wardroom or bring him to the cockpit

      Fairy tales.
      1. jjj
        jjj 20 March 2013 00: 09
        0
        Golnaya truth
    2. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 20 March 2013 20: 56
      0
      They immediately call mom. Committee of Soldiers' Mothers - to the prosecutor's office.

      Men, well, organize a Committee of Soldier Fathers! And act! And it’s easy to point out our mistakes to us, but we didn’t hit finger on finger to do anything.
      That our sons are turning to the Committee of Soldiers mothersand not to the Soldiers Committee fathers doesn’t characterize you very well.
      Maybe you would be quicker and easier to clean up than we are.
      But for this you need to break away from football, get out of the couch and go to work for thanks.
  33. Iraclius
    Iraclius 19 March 2013 20: 14
    0
    Quote: amp
    Plant commander, part - to disband.

    Then, dear amp, you have to dissolve the whole army home. hi
    1. amp
      amp 19 March 2013 22: 10
      0
      The whole army will not.
      Only a couple - three parts as an example to the rest.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 March 2013 23: 13
        0
        To better hide the rest?
  34. bublic82009
    bublic82009 19 March 2013 23: 08
    +1
    army and humanism things are not comparable. where did you see during the war that the enemy would spare the enemy?
    1. AK44
      AK44 20 March 2013 19: 47
      0
      I agree, humanism is not for the army. But it's time to tie up with moronism. It makes no sense to stand on the parade ground, it is better to do business, for example, military training. Better to masturbate at the training ground than freeze on the parade ground.
  35. washi
    washi 20 March 2013 00: 35
    0
    Russian soldiers have always been not whimsical. Given the service life of 1 year, they should not climb out of the fields at all. Tent for the entire service life. Joint survival will kill all hazing. Mentoring will remain. Stay time in honey. institutions do not include in the service life.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 20 March 2013 08: 52
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      The Russian soldiers were always not whimsical. Given the service life of 1 year, they should not climb out of the fields at all. Tent for the entire service life. Joint survival will kill all hazing. Mentoring will remain. Stay time in honey. institutions do not include in the service life.

      "... to endure hardships and hardships military service... "A good commander will always have a well-fed soldier, and as warm as possible, and serve as expected. And there will be no hazing. And Caucasians will serve. And the hero of this article and subordinates serve for show. I think in this part of the curbs they whitewash in winter. Outwardly, everything is great. The criminal, this "colonel" is unambiguous. The only question to the prosecutors is: "What's so humane?"
  36. vlad767
    vlad767 20 March 2013 01: 31
    0
    Hmm ... And then they still wonder at the military enlistment office why this is such a shortage and so many deviators ... what And here is why. Honestly, at such moments, I am really glad that I live in Latvia, where there is no conscription, and I don’t have to think how to hide from the military registration and enlistment office.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 20 March 2013 10: 08
      0
      In what military registration and enlistment office, young man, are they surprised?
      Live in Latvia, rejoice, and do not meddle in the discussion by the fact that you are not concerned.
  37. aviamed90
    aviamed90 20 March 2013 12: 20
    +1
    Everything is turned upside down!
    Everyone should be responsible for themselves, for their actions and consequences. Why then should commanders of all levels be responsible for the criminal actions of their subordinates? What are infants subordinates? Can't they change their diaper? And do not understand what they are doing? Then why are they drafted into the army? If you are to blame - so judge !!! Why drool?
    According to today's logic: the Minister of Defense was stolen - the Supreme Commander is to blame! Is not it? But nobody asks questions to the President.
    But the situation is simple: for the most part, children from poor families were recruited into the army, who sometimes can write and read with difficulty, some do not know what normal nutrition and normal living conditions are. But they know how to speak obscenity well, have criminal inclinations and habits (and they are not to blame for this - this is the result of parenting and the native state), they simply do not distinguish what is good and what is bad. And the officer is obliged to taxi. Is he a teacher ??? Do not make me laugh! Have you 18 years old - be responsible for your actions. And the purpose of the army is to protect the homeland, and not wipe the snot to anyone.
  38. Raychel
    Raychel 20 March 2013 16: 32
    0
    and then they say that the soldiers get pneumonia, if you still don’t get sick here
  39. AK44
    AK44 20 March 2013 19: 41
    0
    I still remember the meaningless standing on the parade ground of the entire regiment. And an hour and a half is far from the limit. They stood all day with a break for lunch and dinner in winter and summer.
  40. Smaug
    Smaug 21 March 2013 17: 48
    0
    There is no progress, of course, if you measure it from the 90s. Further is better.
  41. Valter
    Valter 23 March 2013 16: 14
    0
    Of course there is, now it’s possible homosexuals will be drawn into the army laughing
    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/02/19/komandir/