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New Mediterranean Connection Information

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Continued reports of the creation of a Mediterranean naval force Fleet Of Russia. Last Sunday, Fleet Commander Admiral V. Chirkov announced some details of ongoing work. This time, official statements touched on the formation of the formation and the number of ships in it.




In Soviet times, the 5-th Opex (Mediterranean Squadron) consisted of 70-80 ships and auxiliary vessels, which on a rotational basis carried out military service in specified areas and from time to time replaced each other. For objective reasons, the composition of the new Mediterranean compound will be much more modest. According to Admiral Chirkov, there will be five or six ships and several auxiliary vessels in the Mediterranean at the same time. They, as before, will be in combat service in turn, so they will be able to ensure a permanent presence in the region, even with existing forces. The basis of the new operational compound will be cruisers and frigates, i.e. ships of the first rank. In addition to them, the compound will also include ships of other classes.

A few days ago, the Minister of Defense of Russia, S. Shoigu, said that the formation of a special governing body had begun to guide the Mediterranean operational force. Apparently, its creation has not yet been completed, but the commander in chief of the fleet has already told some details. Thus, the new compound will be managed through the existing structures of the Black Sea Fleet. Probably, in this way, the fleet command intends to speed up the process of creating the operational connection and at the same time insure against possible problems.

In addition to information about the management structure and quantitative aspects, Chirkov told other fleet plans. According to him, if necessary, the command of the Navy can begin to work out issues related to the creation of other similar operational formations. As an example, he cited the Soviet experience of patrolling the Pacific and Indian Oceans. If the need arises for such connections, the Navy initiates their creation. At the same time, operational units designed to operate in the Pacific or Indian Ocean are so far considered only as a possible path for the development of the Russian Navy. Now the main priority is to create a connection for work in the Mediterranean region.

As you can see, several new messages have been added to the information about the new connection. At the same time, a number of serious questions remain open. This is, first of all, the specific composition of the compound, the logistics of the ships, as well as the prospects for all the measures taken. Since the Ministry of Defense and the command of the Navy provides information bit by bit, there are a variety of opinions. For example, in recent weeks, in discussions, there is often a proposal to use the new UDC "Mistral" as part of the Mediterranean compound, which over the next few years will join the Russian Navy. Of course, such ships can be useful, because they can be not only amphibious, but also staff ones. In addition, the transported marines with equipment perfectly complement the "load" of large landing ships, which often go to the Mediterranean Sea to perform training tasks. However, the Mistrals, firstly, are still being built, and secondly, the first two ships of this type will serve in the Pacific Fleet. As for the third and fourth universal landing ships, they - if they are built and will be part of the Black Sea Fleet - will be able to enter combat service only by the end of this decade. Thus, the version with "Mistral" looks far from the best. Moreover, there are enough ships in the Black Sea, Baltic and Northern fleets and without the Mistral that are capable of carrying out the tasks set now.

However, it is sufficient to ensure presence only in the Mediterranean. As for the Pacific and Indian oceans, our ships for the next few years just can not always be in these regions. In this case, the problem lies not only in the availability of a sufficient number of ships and auxiliary vessels, but also in the comprehensive provision. To perform training and combat missions at a distance from the base, logistics points are necessary. In the Mediterranean region, our fleet has only one such point - in the Syrian Tartus. As for the Pacific and Indian Oceans, the bases in Cam Ranh (Vietnam) and Nokra (Ethiopia) ceased to exist in previous years. The resumption of these bases is not foreseen, so the Russian Navy will not be able to be constantly present in these regions.

It turns out that military sailors will not be able to return to the Pacific or Indian Ocean on a permanent basis. In this context, the plans of the Ministry of Defense look encouraging. Earlier it was reported that before the 2020, the Navy will receive more than seventy units of new equipment of various classes. At the same time, a certain number of ships and vessels that have exhausted their resources will be written off. A positive “balance” between the new and decommissioned equipment will eventually allow, if necessary, to increase the Mediterranean operational connection, and then return to other areas of the planet. However, this will require not only to build new ships. It is likely that the future of the Russian Navy will depend on diplomats.


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  1. savantol
    savantol 19 March 2013 08: 26 New
    21
    Alignment with the Union is not relevant, so many are just a shadow of the advice, and I don’t want to compare further ...
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 19 March 2013 09: 47 New
      12
      It's time, it's time to go out into the open. You need a fleet, if you don’t tell me ...
      1. savantol
        savantol 20 March 2013 11: 11 New
        0
        vadimus, I absolutely agree with you, the fleet is needed as never before smile but only a great country can create it, for example, the "Soviet Union" ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 19 March 2013 09: 51 New
      +2
      You can by the way in Montenegro parking ..
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 19 March 2013 10: 01 New
        +8
        Quote: Civil
        It is possible by the way in Montenegro to park

        The exit from the Adriatic is easily blocked ... there is an interesting idea:
        "Lebanon is discussing the possibility of creating a logistics point for the ships of the Russian Navy in the port of Beirut. Lebanese ports can be used instead of the base in Syria Tartus, because of the ongoing civil war in Syria. The brigade expressed this opinion during a three-day visit to the port of Beirut Lebanese army general Amin Hotei in an interview with Turkish radio, flot.com reports.
        "Earlier, Russian ships headed straight to Tartus without entering Lebanon. The reason for the last call is that Russians can make Lebanon their new strategic base in the region, or in the light of current events in Tartus, the port of Beirut will become a safe place for Russian ships to stay," the retired general thinks . In an interview, General Amin Hotei warned that the entry of Russian warships in Beirut with the aim of "replenishing supplies and fuel" should not become an "ordinary phenomenon." March 18, Russian ships left the port of Beirut and headed for the Syrian coast. A detachment of Baltic Fleet ships consisting of the Yaroslav the Wise patrol ship and the large landing ships Kaliningrad and Alexander Shabalin on March 14 made a business visit to the port of Beirut for the first time in two years since the outbreak of the civil war in Syria. The official purpose of the visit is to provide rest for ship crews and to replenish supplies of fuel and fuel.http: //warsonline.info/geostrategiya/livanskiy-port-beyrut-mezhet-stat-b
        azoy-vmf-rossii.html
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 19 March 2013 10: 05 New
          +5
          In an interview, General Amin Hotei warned that the entry of Russian warships in Beirut with the aim of "replenishing supplies and fuel" should not become an "ordinary phenomenon"

          I didn’t understand this phrase ... i.e. should not become an ordinary occurrence, but can Russians create a base there? One does not fit with the other somehow.
        2. Hunter thomson
          Hunter thomson 19 March 2013 10: 39 New
          +9
          It’s dangerous, at least until Hezbollah runs it. Perhaps this will change in the future. Most Lebanese are already turning back on the courage of Mr. Nasrallah. He periodically threatened to protect Lebanon from the Zionist threat, but they remember well how in 2006, when he "defended" Lebanon from the Zionist threat, the floor of Lebanon was in ruins. As long as the Iranian group operates there, one should not place a base there. Imagine the situation, Hezbollah once again arranges some kind of provocation, which develops into a full-fledged clash with Israel. And here they have such an opportunity, not just hide behind women and children, place launchers on the roof of the hospital or kindergarten, but place them close to the base of the Russian Navy! Can you imagine what this might turn into? And they will not miss such an opportunity. They do not care who hide behind, even women, even Russian sailors. This is possible only in the case of a full-scale military presence of the Russian Federation in Lebanon with full control over this country, and this is unlikely to be of interest to anyone, and first of all to ourselves. The best option is to buy some island from Greece.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 19 March 2013 10: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: Hunter Thomson
            The best option is to buy some island from Greece.

            Or maybe just Cyprus?
            It seems that they are not going to retreat from Syria! laughing
            1. Hunter thomson
              Hunter thomson 19 March 2013 11: 02 New
              +5
              They want to buy out Cyprus already, the association of Russian banks has asked the Russian government to provide urgent economic assistance to Cyprus. So, at the expense of ordinary Russians, at the state expense, to save Cyprus, so that their accounts would not be robbed. request
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 19 March 2013 11: 09 New
                16
                Quote: Hunter Thomson
                so that only their accounts are not robbed

                But GDP warned them:
                Chatlan, don’t keep KTs at the Patsaks, sooner or later they will make you kyu!
                They did not believe ...
                So we got snot:
                We used to go in raspberry pants, and now they will go in yellow, like pridurki !!! wassat
                1. Hunter thomson
                  Hunter thomson 19 March 2013 11: 22 New
                  +3
                  Oh, and interesting things are happening in the world. We live in an amazing time. And it seems that in the near future we will all get snot. But I generally support the Germans in this European team race to a brighter future. (In the sense of the Germans, not the Sites' Germans, although they don’t hurt) If you analyze everything that happens, it seems that the Germans are quietly glancing, using purely economic methods, they turn from a figure into a player. let's see how they manage to get out of the occupation.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 19 March 2013 11: 46 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Hunter Thomson
                    Oh, and interesting things are happening in the world.


                    I agree!!
                    I would even say arrogant things !!
                    What is somewhat reminiscent of the situation before World War 2, who was more strongly divided the world as he wanted!
                    financial bigwigs did what they wanted!
                    1. Hunter thomson
                      Hunter thomson 19 March 2013 12: 03 New
                      +3
                      Good afternoon, Alibek! I agree. But now there is one fad, nuclear weapons! and you just can’t divide the world, you have to come up with tricky schemes. A new type of war is creeping chaos. And here the fascists, with their clear structure and direct force, are not suitable. Wahhabis were taken out of the box. And sadly, it seems to me that neither Europe (my dearly beloved), nor Russia (my own) are ready for new challenges and are very vulnerable, unlike the states that separate the ocean and in which 400 trunks per 000 thugs. Germany had passed a law in advance that the Bundeswehr could be involved in domestic operations for a reason. And a big conflagration awaits us. About special means there is almost no. You know, it’s a bit in my head from the thought that again I will be 000 years old (in the new version, in the new architecture, of course)
                      1. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 19 March 2013 15: 31 New
                        +2
                        But now there is one fad, nuclear weapons! and so simple the world cannot be divided

                        The world is divided not with the help of nuclear weapons, but with the help of money. In World War I there was a chemical weapon - and so what? It’s just that there are more victims, that’s all. And even then the main part died not from mustard gas, but from shelling. And now the basis of the war is money and resources. And they will fight not with the help of nuclear weapons, but with the help of airplanes, ships, missiles, which will destroy the entire infrastructure.
                        Moreover, the club of nuclear countries will easily accept a memorandum of non-aggression or a common response to any use of nuclear weapons. I think those who want to iron anyone who uses nuclear weapons will be enough - the same China, Britain, Israel ... So the times are difficult, but most likely the wars will be on the economic destruction of the rival - enterprises, infrastructure, energy, communications. And they will be conducted with the wide involvement of third countries and, most likely, in their territory. The Mediterranean Sea is a prime example. Large players clash in a strange yard.
                        And the schwartz will be with us! soldier
                      2. ATATA
                        ATATA 19 March 2013 16: 55 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Botanologist
                        The world is divided not with the help of nuclear weapons, but with the help of money. In World War I there was a chemical weapon - and so what?

                        I'm sorry, what...
                        And were there intercontinental missiles?
                      3. Hunter thomson
                        Hunter thomson 19 March 2013 21: 32 New
                        +3
                        So that’s exactly what I mean! There, where you can’t just indulge in military intervention, they will set the creeping Wahhabi bastard against you! Someone to stain with far-fetched sanctions, someone to infringe in other ways. Creeping chaos is a new tool. And you know, when I look at the faces of our obese generals, I’m not sure that they clearly imagine this new type of war and are still on the seventh day getting ready for the La Manche to come out with armored armada. But maybe the special services more soberly assess the situation. I want to believe.
                    2. dmitreach
                      dmitreach 19 March 2013 15: 36 New
                      +2
                      The Bundeswehr may be involved in domestic operations for a reason. And a big conflagration awaits us.

                      NATO buys Osu - hundreds of thousands ... not a lethal weapon, not for the Islamists ...
                    3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
                      NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 March 2013 21: 59 New
                      0
                      Well, why are you talking about citizens of the country, not everyone there is, probably ...
              2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
                NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 March 2013 21: 57 New
                +2
                GDP itself first and worried ......
          2. vezunchik
            vezunchik 19 March 2013 20: 44 New
            +1
            What would the money not be taken from the oligarchs .. Although it is not clear why honest citizens of the GDP AND LADIES are so outraged ....
      2. scrack
        scrack 19 March 2013 23: 35 New
        0
        It would be great if we had a point in Iran in the area of ​​the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea
  2. albanec
    albanec 19 March 2013 09: 54 New
    +3
    Well, some who aircraft carriers put on a joke or re-equip for playgrounds wink

    Down and Out trouble started smile
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 19 March 2013 08: 43 New
    +6
    "Cruisers and frigates will form the basis of the new operational compound,"

    Where are they? Well, Moscow and Peter, let’s count the BOD as NATO’s classification, but where are the frigates? Yes, and in the light of "vigil" in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. We were on duty in the middle-earth, and we went on duty in the Pacific?

    "In this context, the plans of the Ministry of Defense look encouraging. Earlier it was reported that by 2020 the Navy will receive over seventy units of new equipment of various classes."

    What is being built cannot be on duty under any sauce in the Idian or Pacific Ocean.
    More cruisers and frigates, more !!!
    1. Batman
      Batman 19 March 2013 15: 01 New
      +1
      We are talking about constant duty, i.e. 5-6 ships are in constant readiness on this territory. And in the quiet it is written that they are not able to keep them in constant readiness at the moment, they sailed, on duty, sailed away.
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 19 March 2013 15: 35 New
      +2
      What is being built cannot be on duty under any sauce in the Idian or Pacific Ocean

      Well, with a stretch, you can send 11356 to the Indian or Mediterranean after completion of construction. They were laid down in order to promptly increase the combat readiness of the Black Sea Fleet.
      And as for the destroyers - something our admirals made up their minds. According to the project, a cruiser is called a destroyer. And they will build it ... the fic knows how much.
  • SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 19 March 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    The trend itself is good if only to do everything in a smart way.
  • SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 19 March 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    With the alliance in general, much in our defense is meaningless to compare! We know perfectly well that they lagged behind in order, sold, cut, cut a lot ..... Many fatal mistakes were made. But most importantly we BELIEVE that we will recover! Yes, not immediately ... But we will recover. It’s a pity the Aircraft Carrier is only one ... It is necessary to negotiate with the Ukrainians brothers about Nikolaev - if there, before the last brick, everything had not been pulled apart. And build! Build! and build again!
    1. knn54
      knn54 19 March 2013 15: 16 New
      +2
      Alexander, if we combine the efforts of the military-industrial complex of at least four republics, it will not seem to anyone.
      Alibek, is there no place in the vat for the Young Benderist Kravchuk and the nobleman Shushkevich?
    2. ochakow703
      ochakow703 19 March 2013 19: 58 New
      +2
      The marine plant is almost in ruins, it is cutting into metal, and 61 communards are in such desolation ... and even the brother of "Moscow" is standing at the wall, terrifying. And where are the shots taken? I mean qualified engineers, because those that were now pensioners ...
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 March 2013 09: 00 New
    19
    *** In Soviet times, the 5th Mediterranean Squadron included about 70-80 ships and auxiliary vessels, which were constantly on duty in designated areas and replaced each other from time to time *** -slander .. did not know !!!
    Once again I thought .. how could I ask .. if such a country !! ??
    It’s not enough to shoot Gorbachev, he must be carried in a vat with der..m and to periodically use a saber!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 March 2013 09: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Yarbay
      It’s not enough to shoot Gorbachev, he must be carried in a vat with der..m and to periodically use a saber!

      Purely in Turkish. wink
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 19 March 2013 09: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Yarbay
      Gorbachev is not enough to shoot

      I absolutely share your point of view Dear. hi

      Stavropol henpecked
      Stated "PROCESS WENT"
      And the Soviet armored train
      Downhill from the tracks

      Piled up with the whole world
      Repair to go again
      But you can’t argue fate
      Alkanoid came to power

      Experiments started
      Country Reformers
      And now in shit up to the waist
      Economics of a country!
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 19 March 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        It is better to replace the ALKANOID with ALKANAVT - it’s better to lie in rhyme, but it will not distort the essence hi
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 19 March 2013 11: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey57
          It is better to replace the ALKANOID with ALKANAVT - it’s better to lie in rhyme, but it will not distort the essence

          or alkanod, so firmer
      2. dmitreach
        dmitreach 19 March 2013 15: 47 New
        +4
        if only a court would be arranged ... well, even without execution, just for the sake of principle.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 19 March 2013 19: 26 New
          +2
          I think if you just "put" it, for the opportunity to spit in the face, would have choked in 5 minutes!
        2. Suhov
          Suhov 20 March 2013 10: 20 New
          -1
          Quote: dmitreach
          That would arrange a court

          The country has the right to know its "heroes"!
          The figure shows everything you need to create a medal:
          - name of the medal (indicated on the seal),
          - the "hero" himself
          - The image of the country that the "hero" betrayed.
          Establish the aforementioned medal for educational purposes, so that subsequently it is possible to catch such “heroes” and reward them.
          wassat
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 20 March 2013 11: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Sukhov
            - name of the medal (indicated on the seal),

            - medal name - indicated on the forehead of the "hero" (clarification)
        3. Suhov
          Suhov 20 March 2013 11: 24 New
          0
          Quote: dmitreach
          That would arrange a court ...

          God be with him ...
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 March 2013 10: 34 New
      +9
      Quote: Yarbay
      It’s not enough to shoot Gorbachev, he must be carried in a vat with der..m and to periodically use a saber!


      Somehow, in the late 80s, he was on a visit to Zvyozdochka where, during the inspection, he was also shown a small workshop where they made furniture for the factory workers. So he seriously advised expanding furniture production in connection with the policy of new thinking of conversion and disarmament. Ironically, all of this policy ultimately led to the appearance of FURNITURE on the post of Defense Ministry.
      Well, for Gorbachev, such a saber-Arab shamsher would do.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 19 March 2013 10: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        Well, for Gorbachev, such a saber-Arab shamsher would do.

        I agree with you, but at the beginning the lower head, and then the upper one and preferably without anesthesia !!!
        1. Gari
          Gari 19 March 2013 11: 40 New
          +2
          And how can the Indians start with a scalp with a live mark so that I feel
          1. vadson
            vadson 19 March 2013 21: 40 New
            +2
            no, there is one normal thing, and there is no need for weapons: put the labeled one in a position so that he doesn’t move his head and after a little time every 10 seconds, one drop is a bang, and so on for several days. himself going crazy
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 19 March 2013 15: 39 New
        +3
        Well, for Gorbachev, such a saber-Arab shamsher would do.


        I would advise count. More about this ... a dirty weapon.
    4. mark021105
      mark021105 19 March 2013 20: 05 New
      0
      Respected! A purely rhetorical question, but would you like to return to the united family of the USSR? )))
    5. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 March 2013 22: 03 New
      0
      I am not a supporter of tough measures but you plus ++++++
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 March 2013 09: 37 New
    0
    As for the Pacific and Indian oceans, the bases in Kamrani (Vietnam) and Nokra (Ethiopia) ceased to exist in past years. The resumption of these bases is not expected, so the Russian Navy will not be able to constantly be present in these regions.

    But it seemed like there was information that they were negotiating with the Vietnamese about Kamrani?
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 19 March 2013 11: 15 New
      0
      During the visit of the Minister of Defense of Vietnam, it was reported that negotiations were underway on Kamrani.
  • KAZAK67
    KAZAK67 19 March 2013 09: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    *** In Soviet times, the 5th Mediterranean Squadron included about 70-80 ships and auxiliary vessels, which were constantly on duty in designated areas and replaced each other from time to time *** -slander .. did not know !!!
    Once again I thought .. how could I ask .. if such a country !! ??
    It’s not enough to shoot Gorbachev, he must be carried in a vat with der..m and to periodically use a saber!
    1. Gari
      Gari 19 March 2013 10: 44 New
      +8
      In different years, the USSR Navy had naval bases in Cuba (Cienfuegos), Poland (Swinoujscie), Germany (Rostock), Finland (Porkkala-Udd), Somalia (Berbera), Vietnam (Kamran), Syria (Tartus), Yemen (Hodeida), Ethiopia (Nokra), Egypt and Libya. At present, the Russian Navy has remained at the PMTO only in Kamrani and Tartus, as well as a testing base based on Lake. Issyk-Kul (Kyrgyzstan), and three foreign communication centers - Vileyki (Belarus), Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan) and Havana (Cuba) - this was the so-called accompanying logistics in Soviet times.
      And this was the fleet. The fleet's forces (strategic and general purpose) included more than 100 squadrons and divisions, and the total number of personnel of the USSR Navy was about 450 (including 000 thousand in the marine corps
      The Soviet Navy at the end of the 1980s: 64 nuclear and 15 diesel submarines with ballistic missiles [6], 79 submarines with cruise missiles (including 63 nuclear) [7], 80 multipurpose torpedo nuclear submarines [8] ( all data on submarines as of January 1, 1989), four aircraft carrying ships, 96 cruisers, destroyers and missile frigates, 174 patrol and small anti-submarine ships, 623 boats and minesweeper, 107 landing ships and boats. A total of 1380 warships (not counting auxiliary vessels), 1142 combat aircraft
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 19 March 2013 11: 18 New
        +1
        Even on Sakotra, boats from the Pacific Fleet had a base.
  • Sergey47
    Sergey47 19 March 2013 10: 09 New
    +1
    Words are all words. We need a nuclear surface fleet, and these frigates, corvettes, in general, what it is. Ships near the coastal zone? And to carry tankers and tugs with you, agree funny. This is again the "development", read the "appropriation" of budget funds.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 19 March 2013 10: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Sergey47
      and these frigates, corvettes, in general, what is it.

      I think you’re wrong - they are precisely the basis of the fleet, the point is not to push the entire spectrum of weapons into one large corps, and in the total striking power of such ships, we are not talking about economic components, when even the modernization of atomic cruisers is more expensive than the construction of frigates
      look
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ceaES_P-Q
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 19 March 2013 11: 23 New
        +1
        And, nevertheless, it’s still advisable to upgrade the “Eagles”, it will be less time-consuming than to design and build anew. hi
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 19 March 2013 17: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey57
          It’s still advisable to upgrade the “Eagles”, it will be less time-consuming than to design and build anew.

          Justify. hi
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 March 2013 15: 55 New
      +6
      and these frigates, corvettes, in general, what is it

      in theory, corvettes are ships of the near (coastal) zone, frigates are an attempt to unify destroyers, BOD and SKR, as a result it turned out (they first train for export to India):


      Basic TTX frigate
      Displacement:
      - normal - 3830 t
      - full - 4035 t
      The greatest length (on design waterline), m - 128,4 (115),
      The greatest width (on design waterline), m - 15,2 (14,2),
      Draft:
      - on design waterline - 4,2 m
      - average (with normal displacement) - 4,64 m
      - maximum (with full displacement) - 6,8 m
      Full speed:
      - at outdoor temperature + 15 ° - 30 nodes
      - at outdoor temperature + 40 ° - 28 nodes
      Cruising range economical course (14 knots) - 4850 miles
      Crew - 220 people (plus 20 Marines)
      Autonomy by provisions - 30 days
      weaponry
      Shock
      PU SCRC "Club-N" - 1х8
      Ammunition of anti-ship missiles 3М54Э - 8 pcs.
      Anti-aircraft
      Launcher "Calm-1" - 1
      Ammunition SAM 9M317 - 24 pcs.
      ZRAK 3М87 "Chestnut" - 2
      Ammunition SAM - 64 pcs.
      Ammunition of 30-mm shells - 6000 pcs.
      MANPADS "Igla-1E" - 8 pcs.
      Artillery - A-190E
      Anti-submarine
      533-mm DTA-53-956 - 2x2
      PU RBU-6000 - 1
      Aviation - Ka-28 or Ka-31.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 19 March 2013 10: 35 New
    +2
    Yes, here without the "Eagles" can not do. If such ambitious plans, it is simply necessary to restore and upgrade heavy nuclear-powered cruisers of the Kirov type!
  • zao74
    zao74 19 March 2013 10: 46 New
    +3
    Reptile spotted fleet destroyed. Now we collect the crumbs.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 19 March 2013 11: 21 New
      +2
      Yeah, the tagged bastard ruined the country so much that Judas nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
    2. navy33
      navy33 19 March 2013 18: 57 New
      +4
      Yes, the spotted one destroyed, and the bespalous drowned and sawed up what was left.
  • Gari
    Gari 19 March 2013 11: 02 New
    +3
    Organizationally, the structure of the Mediterranean squadron included 6 operational units:
    50-e - control ship with guard ships
    51-e - submarines (6-8 and more units)
    52-e - shock rocket-artillery ships
    53-e - anti-submarine ships
    54-e - landing ships
    55-e - support ships
    70-80 pennants
    The combat service of the 5th operational squadron was complicated by the complete absence in the Mediterranean Sea of ​​Soviet naval bases needed to protect against storms, replenish water supplies and provisions, rest crews or conduct inter-naval repairs. For this reason, the ships of the squadron defended on anchors and barrels installed on the shallows in certain places (the so-called "points") of the Mediterranean Sea
    As you can see, without any logistics
    But there was a Fleet, there was a Squadron Power
  • Gari
    Gari 19 March 2013 11: 17 New
    +4
    On the afternoon of June 8, the American reconnaissance ship Liberty, equipped with electronic equipment, traveled west-north-west at a speed of 5 knots and was located 14 miles north of the Sinai coast near El Arish.
    Quite unexpectedly, several Israeli fighters flying from the southeast dived from a height of 5-6 thousand feet and fired Liberty with airborne guns. A few minutes later, three Israeli torpedo boats, approaching the ship from the northeast, fired at it from machine guns and fired two torpedoes at it, one of which, having hit the target, made a 40-foot hole below the waterline in the middle of the ship in its starboard side.
    When the Israelis realized their mistake and stopped shelling, 34 Liberty officers and crew were already killed and 76 wounded. The ship was riddled with 821 hits, fires broke out in the bow and middle of the ship.
    But my neighbor told me about this, who served on our submarine of the same Srednizemnorskaya squadron.
    He said how they watched it and oh-wali what was going on like their own
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 March 2013 12: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Gari
      heights of 5-6 thousand feet

      Quote: Gari
      40-foot hole below the waterline

      Did he tell you so directly in feet? wink
      1. Gari
        Gari 19 March 2013 14: 23 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Gari
        heights of 5-6 thousand feet
        Quote: Gari
        40-foot hole below the waterline
        Did he tell you so directly in feet?
        -
        I read this article on the Internet and just remembered the story of my neighbor, a pensioner, when he served on a submarine of the Srednizemnorskaya squadron
    2. Suhov
      Suhov 19 March 2013 18: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Gari
      The ship was riddled with 821 hits, fires broke out in the bow and middle of the ship.

      If they counted hits, then they checked: did they manage themselves or who helped?
      Neighbor did not say anything about this? Like at first we just watched well and then ...
      hi
      1. Gari
        Gari 20 March 2013 10: 04 New
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        Quote: Sukhov
        If they counted hits, then they checked: did they manage themselves or who helped?
        Neighbor did not say anything about this? Like at first we just watched well and then ...

        No, they didn’t check, they all just carried combat duty, naturally so that no one would find them, and they watched all this and reported to the command and everything, I read the details
        http://www.wsws.org/ru/2006/aug2006/libe-a03.shtml , /http://cyclowiki.org/wiki Морские_сражения_Израиля ,или http://piratyy.h14.ru/artikle/liberti.html
  • queen
    queen 19 March 2013 11: 21 New
    +1
    The beginning is good, we note our presence, then I think the matter will be more fun)))))
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 19 March 2013 11: 30 New
    +2
    I read the numbers of the fleet of the USSR. How sad it became. Such power has been ditched for several years. The betrayal of the ruler is worse than 10 wars.
  • Arberes
    Arberes 19 March 2013 11: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Sukhov
    Quote: Andrey57
    It is better to replace the ALKANOID with ALKANAVT - it’s better to lie in rhyme, but it will not distort the essence

    or alkanod, so firmer

    Thanks for the criticism, my friends! drinks
    Just trying to avoid too frequently used terms.
  • Castor oil
    Castor oil 19 March 2013 11: 56 New
    +1
    We should start expanding the port infrastructure in Syrian Tartus, build berth sites for our warships, and do it in a pointed manner, with the presence of our cruisers and frigates, so that it would be clear to all the reptiles climbing into Syria that our fleet is there for a reason and forever and ever. Let them beware. It is naive of course to dream like that, but it’s very hot! fellow
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 19 March 2013 12: 15 New
      +1
      Everything is too politically correct for us. Ours will not do so unfortunately, although it would be worth it.
      1. Castor oil
        Castor oil 19 March 2013 12: 35 New
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        Quote: Geisenberg
        Everything is too politically correct for us. Ours will not do so unfortunately, although it would be worth

        Yes, this political correctness of our bureaucrats is already akin to cowardice and disregard for cowardice.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 19 March 2013 14: 05 New
    +2
    Late we realized it was necessary to defend Syria and not to throw Tartus. And now it is not known what will happen to the base.
    In addition, it is not entirely clear what kind of 5-6 ships we can put up for the Mediterranean squadron? If only 1-2 cruisers / BOD, plus 3-4 BDK.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 March 2013 16: 06 New
      +5
      immediately re-open the artillery cruiser project 68 bis Mikhail Kutuzov and send it to Tartus for a raid, at least the base will be covered from land ...

      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 March 2013 16: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: PSih2097
        immediately re-establish artillery cruiser project 68 bis "Mikhail Kutuzov"

        Russian conservation, meaningless and merciless. recourse Our conservation means: let it rot, we’ll cut it later. There is nothing there to re-preserve.
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 March 2013 17: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: PSih2097

        immediately re-open the artillery cruiser project 68 bis Mikhail Kutuzov and send it to Tartus for a raid, at least the base will be covered from land.

        Witty idea. Then let's pull the cruiser Aurora there too. Why are they shy)))
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 19 March 2013 21: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          Witty idea. Then let's pull the cruiser Aurora there too. Why are you shy

          Incidentally, the cruiser Aurora is being repaired, seriously.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 19 March 2013 22: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Incidentally, the cruiser Aurora is being repaired, seriously.

            And rightly so. We, unfortunately, are very disrespectful of our own outstanding military history. Take for example the Air Force Museum in Monino, because these are tears ....
            And could create such a museum .....
            And it would be informative, and useful for educating young people.
  • spok
    spok 19 March 2013 16: 40 New
    -1
    The expert called natural the desire of Russia to have operational formations of ships in almost all oceans, since it has national interests in various zones of the world's oceans. At the same time, according to S. Kulik, the statement made on television by the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Viktor Chirkov about his intentions to “keep” 5-6 ships and vessels in the Mediterranean on an ongoing basis does not look quite realistic. According to the head of the Nomos center, “5-6 ships, which the commander in chief of the Russian Navy spoke about, are far from the 30-50 ships and support vessels that were present in the Mediterranean until 1992 as part of the Mediterranean operational squadron.” But at the same time, as the expert said, “it will be very difficult to ensure the presence of even the same declared 5-6 ships, since today the Black Sea Fleet does not have enough ships and support vessels capable of performing military service in conditions of such a large and long separation from places of permanent deployment. " In addition, according to S. Kulik, Russia’s only logistic support point for ships and vessels located in the port of Tartus (Syria) “is currently rather weak and unreliable”.
    Commenting on the possible tasks that the operational grouping of ships and vessels planned for deployment in the Mediterranean could fulfill, the expert said: “at best, this is a demonstration of the presence of the Russian naval flag, the performance of some kind of intelligence functions and participation in anti-piracy operations.” But, as S. Kulik added, “again, there aren’t so many ships on the Black Sea Fleet that could carry out this military service, that is, ships and ships that still have enough motor resources. The presence of ships and vessels for several months in the Mediterranean Sea will significantly worsen their already difficult material and technical condition. ” According to the expert, such actions by Russia will not have a significant impact on Ukraine’s security issues. “And the fact that, as stated in the statement of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, the grouping of ships will be controlled from Sevastopol, this is nothing more than a phrase. Based on experience, in principle matters, such groups have always been controlled from the Main Headquarters of the Navy, that is, from Moscow, and the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet will actually turn out to be the transmission link, ”S. Kulik noted.
    Russian ships in the Mediterranean Sea will be controlled from Sevastopol on March 17 by the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, on the air of the Russian television channel Zvezda, stated that “Up to five to six ships should be permanently in the Mediterranean Sea, control should be carried out through the command of the Black Sea Fleet ( located in Sevastopol). " According to him, this group will include frigates, cruisers, as well as support ships. On March 11, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at an enlarged meeting of the leadership of the armed forces said that Russia plans to create an operational connection of the Navy in the Mediterranean Sea and ensure its operation on an ongoing basis. In addition, he said that the Russian Navy will receive by the end of 2020 24 submarines and 54 surface ships. The Center for the Promotion of the Study of Geopolitical Problems and Euro-Atlantic Cooperation of the Black Sea Region “Nomos” is a Ukrainian non-governmental analytical organization. The Nomos Center was established in November 2003 as the only independent non-governmental organization in Ukraine whose goal is to conduct research in the fields of international relations, national security, European and Euro-Atlantic integration in the Black Sea-Caspian region

    but shoigu raves like
    In addition, he said that the Russian Navy will receive by the end of 2020 24 submarines and 54 surface
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 19 March 2013 19: 22 New
      0
      Quote: spok
      According to the expert, such actions by Russia will not have a significant impact on Ukraine’s security issues.

      Will Russia not have such actions a significant impact in the expert’s opinion on what?
  • washi
    washi 19 March 2013 17: 27 New
    0
    If we have a Mediterranean squadron, then we do not need, almost, the Black Sea Fleet. For the external enemy, we block the Dardanelles. And for the Black Sea there will be enough boats from non-Sevastopol bases. Ukraine and Turkey will no longer be able to blackmail us
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 19 March 2013 20: 08 New
    +2
    This is all a circus. The Mediterranean Sea is just a mousetrap, a little more than the Black. From a military point of view, the only thing that can be done is to die heroically. In principle, also an option.
  • amp
    amp 19 March 2013 20: 11 New
    0
    Cruisers, of course, are not enough now, but 3–4 multipurpose submarines could be sent there. If necessary, the carrier group will be beaten. Although it seems to make no sense to use aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean Sea for NATO, since there are enough land bases.


    From the point of view of geopolitics, it is not so much the Dardanelles that are important here as the Suez Canal and of course Syria.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 19 March 2013 20: 33 New
      0
      Quote: amp
      but 3–4 multi-purpose submarines could be sent there

      Where do we get them? Will we bring all the remains of the Northern Fleet there?
      In my opinion, ships need to be built first, then the squadrons must be assembled. And not vice versa.
      Now the most important thing is to keep Syria politically, and accordingly the base in Tartus.
      1. amp
        amp 19 March 2013 22: 18 New
        +2
        Well, multi-purpose apls still remain, something can be removed from conservation (not only the apl in question) and upgrade .....

        The thing is that the squadron is needed there now, and in a year it will be too late. if the United States is realizing its plans to create chaos in the wider Middle East, then there will probably be nothing to do in the Mediterranean.
    2. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 19 March 2013 23: 18 New
      +1
      Why climb into a mousetrap, what to do there submarines, the ocean is not enough. Look at the map of the depths of the Mediterranean Sea and take a look at the history of underwater war in the Second World War in the Mediterranean Sea. This is not the sea for the Premier League, it is a large puddle with a small hole in the form of Gibraltar, I am silent about the Suez Canal and the Dardanelles.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 19 March 2013 21: 38 New
    0
    Quote: amp
    If necessary, the carrier group will be beaten.

    And what will it ultimately lead to? Mutual destruction by means of nuclear strike exchange?
    1. amp
      amp 19 March 2013 22: 20 New
      +1
      it is a matter of potential.
      one thing is code, we can only threaten nuclear weapons, and another thing is when we can do something with non-nuclear weapons. for example, our transport ships carrying weapons to Syria will be under the protection of our fleet.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 19 March 2013 21: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    From a military point of view, the only thing that can be done is to die heroically. In principle, also an option.

    Do you think anyone will do this?


    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 19 March 2013 23: 01 New
      0
      Of course not, but why spend money on a mirage.
      1. amp
        amp 19 March 2013 23: 11 New
        +1
        we have already heard these stories that they say the army, we do not need, we do not need a fleet, the Americans wish us only good ... enough, tired.
        it’s time for you to change the record.
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 19 March 2013 23: 18 New
          +1
          We need an army and navy, but we must understand that there is such a thing as finance. Is the economy thin, or are you ready to tighten your belts? I don’t think so.
          1. amp
            amp 20 March 2013 00: 06 New
            0
            Actually, Russia spends money on defense at a fairly balanced level - about 3% of GDP. Now there will be more - about 4% of GDP. Just GDP has grown tremendously in recent years.

            It's not about tightening the belts. 6 ships - this is not 80 as in Soviet times.
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 20 March 2013 00: 37 New
              0
              The problem is the quality of the ships, not the quantity. Money will go for walks in the Mediterranean Sea, which means they’ll cut it off somewhere. Moreover, there is no base, but this is an extra cost and not small.
  • washi
    washi 19 March 2013 23: 54 New
    0
    We will send all the metal. They will take the first blow. If you have time to answer, THANKS. factories have earned. New ships are already there.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 20 March 2013 07: 44 New
    0
    Quote: amp
    it is a matter of potential.
    one thing is code, we can only threaten nuclear weapons, and another thing is when we can do something with non-nuclear weapons. for example, our transport ships carrying weapons to Syria will be under the protection of our fleet.


    Yes, I am all hands FOR.
    And our ships are just the same successfully engaged in escorting ships with cargo.
  • St.
    St. 20 March 2013 10: 46 New
    0
    Quote: savantol
    Alignment with the Union is not relevant, so many are just a shadow of the advice, and I don’t want to compare further ...

    That's for sure !!! until the union we still have a long time ((