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Tashkent is authorized to manifest

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Tashkent is authorized to manifestThe authorities of Uzbekistan, hoping to acquire an ally in the face of the United States, risk exchanging strategic advantageous positions in cooperation with Russia.


The actions of official Tashkent in relations with officials of the State Department and the Pentagon increasingly resemble an attempt to take advantage of momentary gain. Judging by the latest decisions taken, Uzbekistan is on the path of ensuring positive positions in all areas, primarily for the geopolitical game of the United States and its allies.

The topic of cooperation between Uzbekistan and the United States in the framework of the transit of cargo in the operation "Enduring Freedom" was considered by experts several times. And each time, as the time of the final withdrawal of the coalition forces from Afghanistan approaches, the opinion of the expert community has increasingly moved away from optimism. The problem is that the United States, unlike other geopolitical players whose interests in Central Asia are obvious and recognized today, persistently demonstrate a policy of not only preserving, but also increasing the factors of its own presence.

Obvious, not likely ...

The persistence of the American military-political ruling elite in the implementation of tactics and strategies carried out on the Eurasian continent cannot be denied. Especially if one puts in one row the real successes and projected prospects of the other major continental players, in the first place - Russia, not to mention the current regimes of the Central Asian states. The whole question is how the successes of the State Department and the Pentagon will affect the situation of the Central Asian states, because not a single operation using the military has had any positive results for anyone other than the direct "bearers of democracy."

В stories The twentieth century is enough examples of how bloody large-scale wars and local conflicts drove Eurasia into a state of stagnation — while overseas it crepeed and increased its financial, political, and military power in a star-and-striped flag. Not surprisingly, the United States would like to roll over this trend to its greater advantage in the 21st century.

Constantly declaring to the whole world that the United States should carry out the mission of guardians of true democratic values, American politicians, no longer hiding their true intentions, openly interfere in the internal affairs of other states with pompous talk about the benefits of freedom and democracy, imposing and dictating their own conditions. And the weaker the object of attention of the “guardians of democracy”, the worse it turns out later to those to whom this very democracy was brought.

For the sake of achieving its own goals, the United States goes all the way, even to the point of openly ignoring the opinions of the member states of the UN Security Council. So it was actually during the operation in the Persian Gulf during the overthrow of the Iraqi regime of Hussein, it was so in the Balkans, during the bombardment of Yugoslavia. This happened after the 11 events of September 2001. It is this date that determines the historical milestone, after which the role of the USA in destabilizing the geopolitical situation throughout the Eurasian continent becomes more than obvious.

After the overthrow of Hussein, American politicians had to admit that weapons mass destruction, for the sake of which liquidated the “Storm in the Desert”, was not found in Iraq. But there the American transnational corporations perfectly settled. The invasion of Afghanistan and the more than ten years of NATO military presence in the territory of the Afghan tribes did not justify the stated objectives of the fight against terrorism. The elimination of Osama bin Laden brought only political dividends to specific politicians, but an extremely expanded toolkit of influence appeared for the ruling military-political elite of Washington — and this against the background of multiply increased opiate production and the scale of the illicit arms trade.

The “Arab Spring” brought neither peace nor freedom, it only kindled a fire of civil strife on the African and Eurasian continents, and again the “bearers of democracy” did not remain at all, unlike all the rest. As for the “color revolutions”, skillfully provoked by American “experts” in the former republics of the Soviet Union - with the support of American and Western European capital, of course, even the current US ambassador to Russia, Michael McFall, has to admit - in none of the current sovereign states , now existing on the territory of the former USSR, today there is neither economic nor political stability. Is it possible to call the above-described historical events and current processes a coincidence?

A direct and obvious threat

It is impossible not to note the fact that the United States is achieving success in the foreign policy arena, artfully balancing its opponents on the existing internal and external contradictions. This is done even if we are talking about our own allies, who traditionally accompany the implementation of Washington’s foreign policy in every corner of the world.

It should be noted that the current ruling continental and regional elites can in no way show political short-sightedness, ignoring the consequences of the potential - or already imposed by the State Department - cooperation with the United States. Politicians who are in the current mainstream after the collapse of the USSR simply cannot be short-sighted, since this contradicts not only the theory of political struggle, but also such practice in the form of the results of the struggle for power.

The leaders who are today at the Eurasian continental political Olympus are well aware that they and their states are prepared for the role of the second, if not less important, plan in the geopolitical scenarios imposed by the Pentagon and State Department strategists. There is no need to give specific examples for evidence here - just look at the current map of the world and note those states that have already taken on the role of “partners” in the US over the past 20 years. Eastern Europe, the Baltic states, Georgia, and Ukraine are the last eloquent examples of effective “democratic construction”. Central Asia - alas, is absorbed by the same destructive processes, as events at least in Kyrgyzstan have repeatedly testified.

Observing the process of destabilization, the current ruling regimes of the other Central Asian states cannot but take into account the risks of in-depth "cooperation" with the United States and NATO. At the same time, thanks to an effective policy of balancing between the interests of regional elites, Washington is stubbornly moving towards achieving its main goal - to gain a foothold on the Central Asian springboard, establishing military-political and resource-strategic control.

The State Department does not hide its plans - the United States urgently needs to implement the concept of Greater Central Asia, which territorially covers not only the former Soviet republics of the USSR, but also Afghanistan. Of course, numerous forces and funds for the implementation of this concept are not spent for the sake of the accession of freedom and democracy. Washington is required to limit China’s ambitions by cutting off the PRC from the Middle East’s resources by destabilizing the situation in all territories west of the Chinese borders. At the same time, another, no less obvious, goal is being achieved: to settle in the space of Russia's geopolitical influence, leaving Moscow unsupported by the allies on the southern and south-eastern borders.

Is this known to official Tashkent? Judging by the policy pursued in relation to the CSTO and SCO member countries, it is known. After all, it is the prospect of protection from Moscow’s ambitions that is most likely the very “carrot” that the State Department shows in negotiations with the leadership of Uzbekistan. As tangible arguments capable of influencing the most important decisions of Islam Karimov, Washington expresses a desire to transfer to Uzbekistan some of the equipment and equipment involved in Operation Enduring Freedom. Leaving behind the ideological wrapper in the form of pretentious theses on “partnership for peace”, we must take into account the fact that later, in addition to the existing NATO equipment, Tashkent can count on updating and the necessary support of the technical base. And for this, it will be necessary to create a “small piece of America” on the territory of sovereign Uzbekistan in the form of a separate base of instructors and support staff.

Of course, at the moment there are some legislative obstacles, by virtue of which the United States cannot just take over and settle in Uzbekistan. However, according to experts, while maintaining the current trends in the policy of Islam Karimov and his favorable attitude towards the prospects of cooperation with the State Department, the issue of placing the American base is only a matter of time. After all, then it will be all the same what terms and “peacekeeping missions” the officially approved deployment of the US contingent or their closest partner in NATO to the territory of Uzbekistan will justify. The fate of the Manas airbase in Kyrgyzstan is the closest evidence of this.

Naturally, no one expects easy promotion of American diplomacy in Uzbekistan. Tashkent can not be persuaded by “gingerbread” alone in the form of dual-use equipment, and Washington is well aware of this. Nevertheless, due to the current situation, the United States and its allies in Uzbekistan today have a tactical advantage in the form of frozen or collapsible joint projects with Russia as the closest and most profitable geopolitical partner. To this is added another factor dangerous for the Russian Federation.

Washington is trying not to demonstrate active actions in the Central Asian direction as part of the previously announced “reset” with Russia (this program of cooperation, however, has only an echo with a loud name, but this is not the point). At the same time, with all their might, the US is pulling time, realizing that time is now working for Washington. 2014 is just around the corner, and with it is the direct and clear threat of the spread of Islamic radical groups. As practice shows, fundamentalists do not intend to almond with the remnants of the "secular Soviet" heritage in the face of representatives of the former ruling elite of the CPSU. This means that with the final mass exodus of well-trained NATO units from Afghanistan, the Taliban and its allies will immediately fill the resulting vacuum. And such a prospect does not at all please Islam Karimov, who automatically loses the position of a significant regional political leader.

Karimov is now actually caught up not only between the unconditionally advantageous - as it seems to him - prospects for cooperation with the United States and the threat of losing the remnants of influence if radical Islamists take control of the region. The head of the Uzbek state is extremely necessary to solve other problems - first of all, internal political and socio-economic ones. The standard of living of the population in Uzbekistan has not been called worthy for a long time; in this regard, Islam Karimov may, for good reason, be wary of sudden changes by analogy with the Bishkek events. Simply put, as if the current leader did not displace their own grown up and demanding students under the sun ...

Thus, today, both in Central Asia as a whole, and in Uzbekistan in particular, we again have to observe the configuration that most successfully develops only for Washington and its NATO allies.

To try to return Uzbekistan to the former system of regional balance of power is still possible - according to analysts, Russia could help with this, with its not yet completely wasted cultural, historical and socio-economic ties. But for a turn towards Moscow, Tashkent has less and less time. After all, the figures, placed today on the geopolitical chessboard, in several moves can put the King of Tashkent in a well-known sad position, declaring that ...
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  1. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 19 March 2013 08: 00 New
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    One can only hope for adequate actions and decisions of Comrade Karimov, so far not a shame.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 08: 21 New
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      Quote: Strezhevchanin

      One can only hope for adequate actions and decisions of Comrade Karimov, until it’s

      The adequacy of Karimov laughing He himself does not know where he is going and what will happen next. One desire is to stay in power, but where amers came, there was chaos and poverty in the end. If the people were adequate, then he would understand that.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 19 March 2013 09: 03 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Karimov’s adequacy laughing He himself doesn’t know where he is going and what will happen next. One desire to stay in power, but where the amers came, there was chaos and poverty in the end. If the people were adequate, he would understand that.

        In Uzbekistan, there has always been poverty, both during the Soviet era and before it, the party-secular elite, the power block (except the army), and the merchants lived in. The mentality has not changed and will not change. And the fact that Karimov turned his back on us means he considers us weak, and we do not have strong leverage.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 10: 36 New
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          Quote: valokordin
          And the fact that Karimov turned his back on us means he considers us weak,

          No, he rather considers himself smarter and more cunning, such as deceiving the strong.
          Quote: valokordin
          and we do not have strong leverage.

          Let's start with the introduction of visas, then our Superweapon Onishchenko enters the fighting and away we go ........... wink
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 10: 40 New
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          Quote: valokordin
          And the fact that Karimov turned his back on us means he considers us weak,

          No, he considers himself to be cunning and smart.
          Quote: valokordin
          and we do not have strong leverage.

          Let's start with the introduction of visas, then our Super weapon will enter the battles, Mr. Onishchenko and ................... rushed laughing so there are some other levers.
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 45 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Let's start with the introduction of visas, then our Super weapon, Mr. Onishchenko, will enter the fights

            But you yourself didn’t have to think about the fact that it’s not strange that in addition to the visa regime you have nothing in your arsenal? Well, enter the visa, so what? Well, people are poised to redistribute the flows of labor migration, both internally and externally, and everything will pass, and what will you do then? Who will you blame for your failures? I am already silent about the fact that you will be ordered to Uzbekistan in general later. wink
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 19 March 2013 10: 55 New
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              Quote: Ali Baba
              what will you do then?

              From YOU to rest, "friends" you are our beloved!
              1. Ali Baba
                Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 59 New
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                Quote: Arberes
                From YOU to rest, "friends" you are our beloved!

                God willing to rest and very soon I hope by 2015 there will be a visa regime. I will say more. Such a regime is needed first of all. Uzbekistan, it’s not what people stagger about; it’s not known where people should be at home poorly poorly stretched and then they will follow the knurling. And we’ll also get rid of you for one wink
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 19 March 2013 11: 24 New
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                  Quote: Ali Baba
                  God willing to rest and very soon I hope by 2015 there will be a visa regime.

                  If we suppose to knock out all Uzbeks from Russia back to their homeland, then you will begin an economic collapse, since the share of remittances from Russia is 18% of Uzbekistan’s GDP.
                  1. Ali Baba
                    Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 33 New
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                    Quote: baltika-18
                    Remittances from Russia make up 18% of Uzbekistan’s GDP.

                    Well? What do you think is collapse? I won’t torment you with economy formulas, but I’ll say it will be difficult to lose 18%, but this is not a collapse, as you put it ... the economy will digest it is not Tajikistan and Moldova ... But the economy will recover and jump from the needle of labor export, we ourselves for the visa regime
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 41 New
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                      Quote: Ali Baba
                      the economy will digest it is not Tajikistan and Moldova ..

                      Uzbekistan has an economy wink
                      1. Ali Baba
                        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 22 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Uzbekistan has an economy

                        And in Russia, sober men wink
                      2. Shkodnik65
                        Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 13: 44 New
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                        Quote Ali Baba
                        And in Russia, sober men

                        I’m sitting sober at the computer, but the economy didn’t come from you ... bully
                      3. Ali Baba
                        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 16: 35 New
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                        Quote: Shkodnik65
                        I’m sitting sober at the computer, but the economy didn’t come from you ...

                        Seriously? So you are respected in the red book ... only there ...
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 19 March 2013 16: 59 New
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                        And this is said by opium eaters and weavers. Allah pit forbidden and teper I don’t drink, just weed kuru.
                      5. Shkodnik65
                        Shkodnik65 20 March 2013 09: 32 New
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                        So you place in the red book respected ..

                        Well, stick a navel into my book, and it’ll untie ... and even with this economy in mind, you still have NO!
                  2. kvodrato
                    kvodrato 20 March 2013 17: 14 New
                    +3
                    I do not drink at all !
                2. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 19 March 2013 15: 54 New
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                  Uzbekistan has an economy

                  And she is getting better! wink
              2. baltika-18
                baltika-18 19 March 2013 12: 45 New
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                Quote: Ali Baba
                economy it will digest it is not Tajikistan and Moldova

                In Uzbekistan, such a vicious model of the economy is built up as in all the republics of the former USSR, only the situation is much worse than in Russia. Let's take the main one, the structure of the economy: Share in agricultural GDP-17,6%, industry-24%, services 50%. The internal production of grain crops covers only 25% of the needs. Such a structure speaks of an extreme bias in the economy and a very greatly inflated service sector, that is, non-manufacturing, not producing material assets. It is necessary to eliminate this, but you alone cannot do anything.
                1. Shkodnik65
                  Shkodnik65 20 March 2013 09: 33 New
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          2. Arberes
            Arberes 19 March 2013 11: 26 New
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            Quote: Ali Baba
            And we’ll also get rid of you for one

            Well, you got rid of us a long time ago! Orthodox heads were cut off for many Orthodox heads under Allah.
            Here our corrupt officials have made a feeder out of you for ourselves, but you should have done the same!
            Nothing personal, just business.
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 34 New
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              Quote: Arberes
              Well, you got rid of us a long time ago! Orthodox heads were cut off for many Orthodox heads under Allah.
              Here our corrupt officials have made a feeder out of you for ourselves, but you should have done the same!
              Nothing personal, just business.

              Every nation deserves its officials wink
              1. Arberes
                Arberes 19 March 2013 11: 40 New
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                Quote: Ali Baba
                Every nation deserves its officials

                HERE here I completely agree with you.
                Yes, I don’t put you cons drinks
          3. Botanologist
            Botanologist 19 March 2013 15: 52 New
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            we’ll pull it out poorly and then it will go on the thumb.

            Just do not forget to lay a grandiose object like the new Great Wall of China. And then the people will begin to get a little bored, liberal nonsense will climb into the head, and there it is not far from a small massacre.
          4. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 21 March 2013 17: 29 New
            +1
            This is Ali right, you will take a break from us and build democracy in your own country, and we will try to ensure that you don’t get a gram of drugs from us !!!!! Ali? and I suppose you live in Moscow or St. Petersburg? AND?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 01 New
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        Quote: Ali Baba

        But you yourself didn’t have to think about the fact that it’s not strange that in addition to the visa regime you have nothing in your arsenal?

        And what about bank transfers? wink We’ll pay it with a neighbor, the taps will be closed so that mom doesn’t worry.
        Quote: Ali Baba
        Well, people are rending the redistribution of labor migration flows both internally and externally

        Well, Sakashvili also wanted to supply wine to other countries. wink where can your gaster still earn?
        Quote: Ali Baba
        Who will you blame for your failures?

        What are the failures, we have everything in chocolate, you and Amers decided to play laughing
        Quote: Ali Baba
        I am already silent about the fact that you will be ordered to Uzbekistan in general later.

        In general, we cry from such a loss wassat
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 10 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what about bank transfers? We’ll pay it with a neighbor, the cranes will close so much that Mom’s not grieving.

          You will first agree at home and then you can talk about neighbors wink YES, and the Wishlist is not the one to swindle banking banking assets, it is only handy to the USA and the European Union that they control the financial flows of banks, so we silently silently chew wink
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In general, we cry from such a loss

          Until now, sobbing on the scoop ... wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 18 New
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            Quote: Ali Baba
            You will first agree at home and then you can talk about neighbors

            How many guest workers in Russia? Uzbek citizens - about 2,3 million, Tajikistan - 1,1 million and Kyrgyzstan - 540 thousand
            If everything is in chocolate, that they have come to earn money for us. If all of them are returned, Karimov will be overthrown in three days lol
            Quote: Ali Baba
            YES, and the Wishlist is not the one to swindle banking banking assets, it is only handy to the USA and the European Union that they control the financial flows of banks, so we silently silently chew

            sakashvilly is telling, chewing and telling wink
            Quote: Ali Baba
            Until now, sobbing on the scoop ...

            I feel like Kaprimov locked himself in laughing
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 36 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I feel like Kaprimov locked himself in

              Too much honor will be for you dear too wink
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 42 New
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                Quote: Ali Baba

                Too much honor will be for you dear too

                So what about the facts and the answers to the questions? or so you will be off easy.
          2. de_monSher
            de_monSher 19 March 2013 12: 21 New
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            Ali Baba

            Until now, sobbing on the scoop ...


            Nuuuuu ... here you messed up a bit. Nobody weeps in the Union, they usually remember him warmly ... As a matter of fact, you have to be a complete idiot and a sedimentor to look down on your story or with a grin ... *)
        2. de_monSher
          de_monSher 19 March 2013 12: 18 New
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          Alexander Romanov

          We’ll pay it with a neighbor, the taps will be closed so that mom doesn’t worry.


          Wuhu ... already ... tried to block. Then I had to start all over again, in many positions - primarily in terms of resources and minerals.

          In general, we cry from such a loss


          Think too easy, Friends Romanov ...

          What are the failures, we have everything in chocolate, you and Amers decided to play


          With amers, only the most stupid ones do not flirt - in the CIS, Russia itself started these games ...

          Well, Sakashvili also wanted to deliver wine to other countries where can your gaster still earn?


          You yourself are not funny to write this? *)
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 12: 36 New
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            Quote: de_monSher
            Then I had to start all over again, in many positions - primarily in terms of resources and minerals.

            What is this about?
            Quote: de_monSher

            With amers, only the most stupid ones do not flirt - in the CIS, Russia itself started these games.

            Russia can send the United States in three letters, and Uzbekistan can?
            Quote: de_monSher
            You yourself are not funny to write this? *

            I answered Alibaba’s question, write a counter argument, where you can employ 2.3 million people.
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 19 March 2013 12: 50 New
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              Alexander Romanov

              What is this about?


              The simplest example is fluorite. in the 90s, when they tried to organize a "divorce and a maiden name", the cooperation on this point was interrupted. Russia pushed around, pushed around - tried to buy it in Brazil, or replace it with its own - figs, it didn't work. Other chemical composition. In 2004, Russia had to go back to Uzbekistan to restore the mines blown up in Krasnogorsk. You can bend your fingers further, for other positions - rare earth elements, manganese, polymetals, etc. etc. Thank God, at least the cooperation on radioactive elements was not interrupted - there were no idiots whose hands were up for it. Is this clear?

              I answered Alibaba’s question, write a counter argument, where you can employ 2.3 million people.


              I list - South Korea, China, Arab countries, Europe - these are the largest labor markets in Uzbekistan. Consider, the figure 2.3 million, this is a view from your bell tower. In fact, about 9 million people who work in these countries have been "washed away" from Uzbekistan.

              Russia can send the United States in three letters, and Uzbekistan can?


              Hmm ... do you have a short memory? He was able to - in six months he ordered to collect manatki, and get out of Khanabad. Forgot?

              More questions?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 16: 43 New
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                Quote: de_monSher

                I list - South Korea, China, Arab countries, Europe - these are the largest labor markets in Uzbekistan.

                And they are waiting there with open arms laughing
                Quote: de_monSher
                Smog - in half a year ordered to collect manat, and get out of Khanabad

                well, in short, you really are not an independent state with huge plans and prospects, I think the economy will soon overtake even Russia. wink About how you put Washington there as a cancer, they will write chronicles. It’s hard to comment on such things. Irony and nothing more
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher 19 March 2013 17: 48 New
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                  Alexander Romanov

                  Alexander, light Batkovich ... really, don’t disappoint me, it’s so ... strong ... = disappointed = ... I have listed the countries in which I come from Uzbekistan = and this is not only Uzbekistan =. Work is work, it is not worth being shy, not afraid.

                  As for "putting cancer" on Washington, again - only facts. What is there in your head that you switched to Fenya - I do not know, these are your personal sexual problems. But the fact is the fact - the US military base was kicked out with a good swing from Uzbekistan.

                  With all this, Alexander, I still have a greater imperial sense of self than you. I do not like Karimov’s chiropractic at all. But this does not give you any right to behave so arrogant.

                  Like that...
      3. Thepawlik
        Thepawlik 19 March 2013 12: 12 New
        +1
        Do we need to go to Uzbekistan ??? No.
      4. Botanologist
        Botanologist 19 March 2013 15: 50 New
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        Well, people are poised redistributing the flows of labor migration, both internally and externally, and everything will pass, and what will you do then

        What will people eat during the redistribution of flows? They will not go to Europe - there Africa and Turkey have taken everything tightly, to China - well, success lol .

        I am already silent about the fact that you will be dear to Uzbekistan in general later

        Afghan Mujahideen will come - they will creep up, who will survive.
      5. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 19 March 2013 20: 19 New
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        Or maybe the other way around? Maybe it's you - what will you do without Russia?
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 March 2013 10: 46 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      No, he considers himself to be cunning and smart.

      I am sure that he is really a smart person!
      Last year, on a visit, we listened to his speeches and answers to questions, he is very smart and perfectly understands the dangers for his country and the world !!
      Very thoughtful, patient !!
      1. hommer
        hommer 19 March 2013 11: 06 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        I am sure that he is really a smart person!


        I welcome you, dear
        Yarbay!

        Of course, IAK is very clever, and his accusations of inadequacy are incorrect here. But he is a hostage of circumstances and surroundings (the king is made by the retinue). And the environment is very heterogeneous and different elite groups often have opposite aspirations. We have to maneuver and maneuver, but every year it turns out worse and worse.
        The economy in a deep hole, men on earnings in Russia and Kazakhstan. Exiting CSTO under pressure from pro-American circles is a big mistake, IMHO.
        And in the south, meanwhile -
        On Thursday March 14, Afghan citizens illegally entered the territory of Uzbekistan, attacked a border detachment and tried to seize weapons, NewsRu.Com reports citing the press service of the State Border Protection Committee of the National Security Service (NSS) of the Republic of Uzbekistan. During the clash, three Afghan citizens died.

        Fully -http: //www.fergananews.com/news/20357
        The Americans will not be able to help protect the border with Afghanistan, and from there themselves like beaten dogs roll off.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 March 2013 11: 13 New
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          Quote: hommer
          But he is a hostage of circumstances and surroundings (the king is made by the retinue). And the environment is very heterogeneous and different elite groups often have opposite aspirations. We have to maneuver and maneuver, but every year it turns out worse and worse.

          Hello!
          you have to trust this, because I don’t know very well what is happening in the internal politics of Uzbekistan, but I’m sure that Karimov’s difficult to manage even his retinue !!
          1. hommer
            hommer 19 March 2013 11: 27 New
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            Quote: Yarbay
            Karimov is not easy to manage even the retinue !!

            Sure! But a daughter who has a huge influence on IAK is pro-American.
            But in vain the Russians are criticizing Uzbek migrant workers - this is the most pro-Russian contingent!
            1. Garrin
              Garrin 19 March 2013 16: 09 New
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              Quote: hommer
              But in vain the Russians are criticizing Uzbek migrant workers - this is the most pro-Russian contingent!

              And we do not scold them. They simply are not needed here, for the following reasons:
              - Dumping prices in the labor market, because of this growth in own unemployment.
              - Increased drug traffic., With all the attendant "delights".
              - Various infectious diseases that we have already forgotten about. Tue including an open form of tuberculosis.
              - The increase in crime among migrant workers.
              It seems to me that the reasons are more than compelling and there are more than enough.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 22 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        I am sure that he is really a smart person!

        Hi Alibek! To speak beautifully does not mean to be smart! Cunning ass, yes, but you yourself know what the games with amers lead to.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 March 2013 11: 29 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cunning ass, yes, but you yourself know what the games with amers lead to.


          I will tell Sanya how I see the situation !!
          You know Amerov I hate, but what alternative is there ??
          What is the idea ??
          How are Putin’s oligarchs different from Amer’s !! ???
          Why not earn money for your country?
          and a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk?
          What is losing Uzbekistan ??
          Never mind!
          The operation will end to return to the CSTO, especially since they will be met with outstretched hands !!
          I do not see the tragedy in this situation !!
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Talking beautiful doesn't mean being smart

          I would be a fool, I wouldn’t steer for years !!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            How are Putin’s oligarchs different from Amer’s !!?

            Don’t tell me, it’s not about the aligarchs. The fact is that Russia, at least fulfills its obligations, forgives debts that America will never do. Yes, and just what can the US give?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 March 2013 11: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The fact is that Russia, at least fulfills its obligations, forgives debts that America will never do
              I am not talking about that!!
              I want to understand how the worldview of Russian leaders differs from the worldview of Western leaders?
              The oligarchs, despite the fact that they are the driving force of the country's politics, whether we want it or not, but it is so !!
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And just what can the USA give?

              Well, they will give something, but they will take much more for themselves in the future, however, like any other powerful state!
            2. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              forgives debts

              And what debts have you forgiven us dear? Can numbers and more specifically?
            3. silver_roman
              silver_roman 19 March 2013 12: 54 New
              +1
              America will never do


              I agree with that. If amers give something, provide something, then they will take 10 times more.
              And if you try to "appease" them with the help of some kind of loyalty, then as for me it is a dead end. We all know perfectly well that the memory of "overseas friends" is extremely poor. Today they are friends for the sake of their interests, and in five years, when the goals change, they will be the last to remember the concessions made by the same Karimov.
              It reminds me of something like this:
            4. Yarbay
              Yarbay 20 March 2013 19: 33 New
              0
              Sanya with a birthday !!!!
              Congratulations I wish HAPPINESS, HEALTH and GOOD LUCK !!!
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 19 March 2013 16: 03 New
            +1
            The operation will end to return to the CSTO, especially since they will be met with outstretched hands !!


            Firstly, the operation will end when the United States decides, and does not want Uzbekistan. That is never.

            Secondly, will she have time to return to the CSTO? Afghanistan has strong troops in drug trafficking, and there will be no time to bargain. But Uzbeks do not know how to bargain. Well, such a tradition request

            Thirdly, about hugs - not a fact. Lots of water leaks, maybe there will be no one and no one to meet. Crossed out of the lists and all. Why is the CSTO a client who is only trifling in his pockets?
  2. Ali Baba
    Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 41 New
    -2
    Quote: valokordin
    There has always been poverty in Uzbekistan

    Well, tell me some more tales from 1001 nights, we will listen to you from Uzbekistan ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Ali Baba
      Well, tell me some more tales from 1001 nights, we from Uzbekistan will listen to you.

      Ay pride yes, lope swam wink
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ay pride yes, lope swam

        30 pieces of silver and the State Department still leaves the same elementary thing for you only in this way and in no other way wink
      2. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ay pride yes, lope swam

        30 State Department silver coins as usual according to the price list wink
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 19 March 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      You will tell fairy tales to each other, at night, or you will listen to these fairy tales performed by Karimov, how tired you are of the "younger brothers", all your life on the hump of Russia, either under the USSR or now!
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: Heccrbq
        how are you tired of the "younger brothers", all your life on the hump of Russia, both under the USSR and now!

        Well, yes, yes, who else is on whose hump this question leaves wink more than a hundred years, sucked resources from us and also reproach wink They fed at our expense and fed others in Africa and Arabs, and most of all shout that they are leaving for you, well wink
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 19 March 2013 12: 19 New
          +7
          Ali Baba ..
          you, although a fellow countryman to me (I was born and lived in Uzbekistan) - but from such cheap show-off - "..for more than a hundred years you have sucked the resources from us and also reproach .."
          It would not be worth starting on this forum.
          Say also that it was we who dried the Aral.
          Visa regime ... let's get rid of us. Well, hold the flag.
          Abduganievich will screw his family to the States, and where will you be?
          Under the USSR, they tried to make Tashkent the capital of Asia, the "star of the East" .. was.
          Now Uzbekistan from different directions is bitten by Tajiks and Kyrgyz.
          The time will come .. the Taliban will put cancer and sticks soaked on the heels.
          But the resources will be ..... at least eat the anus.
          Cheerless things.
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 29 New
            0
            Well, what were you doing here? Daisies collected? The metropolis needed resources, namely cotton and rare-earth mineral resources that mercilessly exploited the land and collective farmers in the fields who did not even have a passport. The soil was polluted by the chemistry of soil erosion, the Aral Sea went dry due to excessive water intake for cotton. what not And the infrastructure was solely for pumping out resources and servicing the so-called colonial apparatus, and so that the local loyal ones would also be a bit overpowered, that’s all and we don’t need songs about the unselfishness of the elder brother. We will occupy this passivity already through it.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 19 March 2013 14: 38 New
              +7
              it seems that the extraction of minerals has grown especially strongly in the years of independence of Uzbekistan. This is gold, and uranium, cotton also began to receive more. Because before there was only one budget and everyone was "sucking" it, but now you can't cultivate it yourself, you have to suck your paw.

              And the infrastructure was solely for pumping out resources and servicing the so-called colonial apparatus


              Typical stereotype: elder brother, UNCERTAINTY help, building the infrastructure PURE for mining ...... but where did you get the idea that everything should be disinterested ??? sit on the ceiling do not care while making money ??? Of course, there are certain benefits to one and the other. just don’t have to think that someone owed you something. That sounds funny already.

              like amers will come to you, build autobahns, McDonald's, give away hamers worth 10 billion dollars and say: "Friends, we are disinterested, not like the USSR is a bastard, here you go, FREEBIE for you!"
              Pure naivety.
              I don’t want to offend, it's just that everyone is so independent ..... I live in Ukraine myself and see what this independence is turning into ....
              1. sergius60
                sergius60 25 March 2013 23: 04 New
                0
                I support, fellow countryman. How many "samostiiniki" in the 90s squealed about the great prospects of "Independent" !!! Now they have begun to work on the "Europian". Yes, not for you about this ... You know it yourself. Eh-x-x. Good mat will not print sad It's a pity ... Maybe you really NEED to ride your shit in the face, that would come, get, get stuck ... fool If the head is dumber than a tree, is it treated with a regular knock on a tree?
          2. knn54
            knn54 19 March 2013 13: 28 New
            +3
            ... Tajiks and Uzbeks bite from different sides ...
            The population of Karakalpakia complains about “Uzbekization”. Hakims (regional governors) and businessmen are mostly Uzbeks. How, in due time, Georgia and Abkhazia ...
            Uzbekistan is fighting with Kazakhstan for the status of a regional superpower. There is a dispute with Turkmenistan about the fate of the Uzbeks living on the left bank of the Amu Darya, in Turkmenistan.
            Islamic fundamentalism shook the belief in the inviolability of the Karimov regime, which had an impact on the country's investment attractiveness. And without foreign investment, Uzbekistan expects a collapse.
            PS “Golden heads went to Israel, golden hands to Russia. What are we going to do, golden-toothed? ” (a popular Uzbek joke)!
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 19 March 2013 13: 35 New
              +1
              knn54

              Islamic fundamentalism shook the belief in the inviolability of the Karimov regime


              So I don’t understand you, dear. There is so much "pain" and "pathos" in your speeches that sometimes it seems to me that you are asleep and see beards in power in Tashkent ... Do you need it? .. eh ...
              1. knn54
                knn54 19 March 2013 13: 57 New
                +1
                Dear Cher, I was in Samarkand. When Karimov defeated his opponent from the Academy of Sciences of Uzbekistan using rations, he was also in Kokand, which consisted of several mono-ethnic quarters - Russian, Uzbek, Armenian,
                It’s better not to appear in one of them after 17-00 in military uniform. Now, I think, not better. There were friends in Ferghana before 1992. more than 70% were Russian population. And now?
                Karimov managed to quarrel with all neighbors. All the gas goes abroad. Go to Andijan, Namangan, see how people live ...
                And in the SCO we enter and exit. Like in a cartoon.
                WWII veterans today are represented as mercenaries who fought for a foreign country.
                And at the same time, to remain a "fan" of Karimov. Tastes do not argue .. But they are discussed ... Allah al-Hakam (if you remember correctly).
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher 19 March 2013 14: 10 New
                  +2
                  knn54

                  I'm not a fan of Karimov, by no means ... I understand perfectly well that this is a beetle ... I don't like only one thing - srach on an equal place. Overgrown from nothing. All this is nonsense. Everything will pass like smoke from a white apple tree - definitely. At the same time, the main thing for people is to remain people, not arrogant, seemingly "imperials" but in fact - Nitsi-natives ... that's all ...
            2. sergius60
              sergius60 25 March 2013 23: 20 New
              0
              Zaporizhzhia. plant "Dneprospetsstal". Factory management - picture. Chef cars are cool. Production equipment - for the last 20 years "the horse has not rolled." Question. How long will this "rotten hut" stand and collapse?
        2. arnulla
          arnulla 19 March 2013 12: 52 New
          +4
          "Fed at our expense" ... The first crop has already been harvested, apparently ...
        3. Shkodnik65
          Shkodnik65 19 March 2013 14: 03 New
          +3
          We were fed at our expense and others were fed

          I remember that year, that way, 1989, from my Tver (then Kalinin) province, I went on a business trip to the glorious city of Karshi. So from my saliva I even had wet knees. Such an abundance of goods, after the atomic city of Udomlya (KNPP), where there was actually quite good provision. No need demagogy dear. Residents of the village of Brusovo did not feed Africa and the Arabs. But you lived not sour.
      2. polly
        polly 19 March 2013 11: 48 New
        +6
        The song of the "younger brothers" from Soviet times ...
        "My name is Mirza,
        I can’t work. stop
        Let Ivan work
        And fulfills the plan !!! " laughing laughing laughing
    3. MasterMiga
      MasterMiga 19 March 2013 11: 50 New
      +7
      I’ve lived for 24 years in Central Asia, in the city of Termez and I remember very well how much better I lived there with the union and how bad it is now ... I don’t know which city you are from, but I won’t talk to you personally
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: MasterMiga
        .I don’t know what city you are from, but I don’t personally speak my teeth

        Well, well, no one is talking to a southerner wink I’m not urban at all. I was born in GBAO TSSR.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 March 2013 12: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Ali Baba
          Ali Baba

          I read your posts about the scoop, etc. .... here's a good example: Tashkent before the earthquake
        2. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 March 2013 12: 25 New
          +5
          And after, so to speak, "scoop", notice the whole "scoop" built.
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 March 2013 17: 09 New
            +5
            He thinks that there will be no more earthquakes and raids of warlike neighbors, and so, like it is. But Tashkent will not rebuild the squads anymore and the Russian soldier will not fight for this shit.
    4. predator.3
      predator.3 19 March 2013 11: 53 New
      +4

      Quote: Ali Baba
      Quote: valokordin
      There has always been poverty in Uzbekistan

      Well, tell me some more tales from 1001 nights, we will listen to you from Uzbekistan ...

      And what then millions of Uzbeks plow for pennies in the vastness of Russia, if you have paradise there! For the elite of the nation, conditions can be created, like the Baghdad caliph from the named fairy tale!
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 16 New
        0
        Quote: predator.3
        And what then millions of Uzbeks plow for pennies in the vastness of Russia, if you have paradise there!

        And who writes that we have a paradise? No, dear, we are taught to work to value family values. We do not have full-fledged game parades where they don’t speak. We have enough time to live for ourselves, we respect our parents and don’t abandon them in old age. We have faith and no naked woman will lead Punk is a prayer service at our shrines and most importantly we are not drunk and not profane and live within our means. Understanding this, I believe and know that such people will achieve exactly the good and bright in life and in the country.
        1. hrych
          hrych 19 March 2013 17: 14 New
          +3
          Although there are no geyparads (by the way, attempts are being suppressed), but bachism (leadership) and bestiality is a national Central Asian tradition. Donkey is not ebal, not manhood.
        2. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 20 March 2013 06: 53 New
          +2
          Ali Baba "and most importantly we do not drink and do not debauchery and live within our means.
          I heard these accusations against the Russians back in the 90s from many of the Soviet Union's former "brothers".
          However, I look at your compatriots in Surgut heh heh ... they will still give the Russians a head start on licentiousness and drunkenness. Do you think I'm lying? Visit orphanages in Russia. Your kids are missing there too. Your women here walk up, dump, and when you come home they build themselves innocent. Convenient of course. Drunk Uzbeks? Yes, any number! And lard eat hehe ... if free. So, babai should not blame Russian for all your sins. If your people, that is, the Uzbeks, would really behave like saints ... But you don’t know how your compatriots behave in Russia? As for the labor you have in Uzbekistan hehe .. well, women in the field - men in a teahouse ... it was so, it remains ...
          Ali Baba "we respect our parents and do not abandon them in old age, we have faith and not a single naked woman will lead a punk prayer at our shrines."
          As for this, I agree with you, but will you last long? You are not North Korea, do not fence off the world. In Muslim countries, homosexuals are also enough ... heh heh .. women again under the burqa? Try it, and we will laugh ...
      2. Brabus
        Brabus 19 March 2013 13: 48 New
        +1
        Predator. Remember that the millions of Uzbeks who plow for pennies in Russia are the most sensitive and weakest layer of their population - these are often uneducated people from the most distant regions of Uzbekistan, they are forced to sell their low-skilled labor in Russia. they could not or did not want to sell it in their own country. Such a social layer exists in every country, in particular in Russia this layer is usually drunk, degraded, criminalized, or parasitized at the expense of members of their families and, of course, more successful ones, they are being cooked in the same way. in more successful European countries.
        1. cc-20
          cc-20 19 March 2013 21: 18 New
          +3
          Not quite so, an older generation is going to knead concrete, although some were teachers, he knew even one former cop. With higher education, Gaster is rare, but with secondary technical and special were not uncommon. Many well-educated, cultured people. The next generation, they already speak frankly bad Russian, education is a class of four (such an impression), culture and education are completely absent.
    5. Brabus
      Brabus 19 March 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      There has never been poverty in Russia ...
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 13: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Brabus
        There has never been poverty in Russia ...

        Oh, seriously? a story to help you in a cap ... read a lot of new things to learn.
  3. ughhh
    ughhh 19 March 2013 17: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: valokordin
    There has always been poverty in Uzbekistan

    Less for that. I lived there, I know. My brother was born there. I love Tashkent very much, one of the most beautiful, sunny and very green cities that I know. Sea of ​​fountains, parks. In winter, as expected, snowy. True, there is little snow, ankle-deep and only a couple of months. Do you know that there is a fairly extensive metro? Mountains nearby, mountain resorts. True, earthquakes do happen. In my memory, there were two times, one time it was pretty sausage, they held furniture together so that they wouldn’t fall.
    I would very much like to live in Tashkent, and not in Moscow, not in this dusty viper. Missing the sun ...
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 March 2013 20: 23 New
      +3
      Live ... who doesn't?
      1. ughhh
        ughhh 19 March 2013 22: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: fzr1000
        Live ... who doesn't?

        This is not my country, not my people, although before everything was different. It’s a pity that in the 90s we lost so much ...
  • Goga
    Goga 19 March 2013 09: 17 New
    +6
    Alexander Romanov - quote - "... If people were adequate, he would have understood this ..." - a no brainer - Americans, as usual, use this "chela" and then throw it away as a used contraceptive and I.K. ... cannot fail to understand this. Most likely, he, like everyone before him, thinks that he is cunning and that it will not work with him - the many years of being the head of the eastern country does not pass without a trace, I.K. over the years himself has already believed in his genius, well And how can a "genius" president be "diluted" by some Americans? bully
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 10: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Gogh
      - Americans, as usual, use this "chela" and then throw it away like a used contraceptive and I.K. cannot fail to understand this.

      Igor, he thinks that he is the one who can deceive the devil. Well, what can I say, LOKH is naive laughing
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well say-goof naive

        Well, where is the head of state, before your wisdom, you can see everything and obviously, and you have such a huge political experience and knowledge ... wink
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: Ali Baba
          Well, where is the head of state, before your wisdom, you can see everything and obviously, and you have such a huge political experience and knowledge

          Yushchenko, Bush, Saakashvilli they also have more experience, but diby morons request
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 41 New
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yushchenko, Bush, Saakashvilli they also have more experience, but diby morons

            Well then, aren’t you the president then sitting so many in armchairs? wink
    2. Igarr
      Igarr 19 March 2013 12: 25 New
      +5
      Hi, hi.
      Yes, he does not think about his genius a gram.
      People clearly know that while there is an opportunity to "suck two queens" - and the States bend over, and flirt with the CSTO.
      Another thing is that humanly it is called differently.
      And what should he worry about?
      There is a British visa, a state one. Everything there is already seized, grabbed.
      Press - Presidential Aircraft - London.
      And in that "hole" only this ....... and dangles.
      ..
      Dishonest and corrupt ...
      Ours, however - are the same.
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 19 March 2013 08: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Strezhevchanin
    One can only hope for adequate actions and decisions of Comrade Karimov, so far not a shame.

    Hope for the adequacy of this person is not worth it. If he were adequate, he would not even allow such a thought, not like behavior.
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 19 March 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    So this is what is considered adequacy, Karimov's dad is also a "lawyer", like Zhirinovsky's, so the guys from Tel Aviv will also fully educate on the topic of "adequacy and correctness" of the decisions made hi
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 19 March 2013 10: 59 New
      0
      "The topic of cooperation between Uzbekistan and the United States in the framework of the transit of goods in Operation Enduring Freedom has been considered by experts on several occasions." - In the place of a journalist, the author of the article, I would not raise this topic, it can be said a spit in the direction of GDP and its base in Ulyanovsk. And the author's task is to scold Karimov!
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 19 March 2013 11: 44 New
    0
    On the contrary, I would hope that he would behave like a true son of his people. Based on this, further actions should be planned.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 19 March 2013 15: 46 New
    +2
    adequate actions and decisions of comrade Karimov

    The most appropriate action would be to roll off the head to Comrade Karimov and give it to the boys for playing football. So that other baboons understand that there is a frying pan under the backside, and we still have gas for heating.
  • Kaa
    Kaa 19 March 2013 08: 06 New
    +3
    ““ The CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) has practically lost Uzbekistan. ”In October 2011, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton paid a visit to Tashkent, and“ Uzbekistan is demonstrating its readiness to revive the dialogue with Washington, declares its withdrawal from the CSTO .... in my opinion, it is rather complicated, because in the entire space of Central Asia it is Uzbekistan that has the most prepared, professional army that has passed the baptism of fire. the key question for the NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan is who will take their place. The withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan will largely affect the region: "We can discuss whether it will take place or not, and if it does, in what format, and who will come to replace the regular army. Nevertheless, we see that the configuration will change." Kochubei recalled that a meeting of the heads of Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan was held in Dushanbe last September, and since then it is believed that these countries want to take responsibility. “In my opinion, the situation will develop somewhat differently: regular troops will simply be replaced by formations of private military companies,” she objected.
    Afghanistan possesses huge reserves of uranium, gold, mercury, iron: "Pentagon experts estimate the value of Afghan natural resources at $ 1 trillion. It makes sense to fight for this money."
    : http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1608668.html#ixzz2NxG3oARh
    Given the sequestration of the US budget, it can be assumed that this battle for resources could be shifted to Uzbekistan. The only question is whether they will cope with "the high confidence placed on them," or how everything in Libya will turn into a war of "all against all." Egyptian President Mubarak was also the best friend of the United States ... for the time being ...
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 19 March 2013 08: 59 New
      +5
      I wonder where this army of Uzbekistan went through baptism of fire? In the Ferghana Valley or something, fighting with the demonstrators? hi
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 40 New
        -4
        Quote: Andrey57
        I wonder where this army of Uzbekistan went through baptism of fire?

        Google to help you ... and not you, but we border Afghanistan. But where are you going to tell you how much you defeated the severe Georgians themselves, and we so-so little things indulge in dushmanchiks in the mountains, are we driving this noble business? wink
        1. MasterMiga
          MasterMiga 19 March 2013 11: 59 New
          +4
          Ali Baba have you ever been to a border post ??? the border with Afghanistan, as it was arranged during the union, remained in a thorn, the officers with whom I studied at TVVPU complained that the level of soldiers is just "stupid" Uzbekistan has always been secular only at the expense of the Russians who were driven out of there .. I was a kid who went to school through local school and constantly nagging-Urus dui in Russia !!! to be honest, I remember the time when there was civilization in my hometown of Termez (by the way and when there were Russians in union) and now there is devastation ...
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 32 New
            0
            Okay, I’ll argue with myself, I don’t want to think that civilization is what you see in Russia your right, we think differently this time. Second floor you in what years that served on the border eh? in the 90s or what? and the question is where in the 90s there was order and grace?
            1. hrych
              hrych 19 March 2013 17: 18 New
              +3
              That's it, go already.
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 19 March 2013 13: 06 New
          +1
          By the way the Georgians were defeated! more precisely "turned awkwardly", and she collapsed themselves.
          Well, they didn’t fight with the people, they didn’t abandon the villages with napalm ... this is a subtle analogy with Vietnam!
          Now draw a logical chain. why did conflict arise with Georgia? more precisely, what incidents in foreign policy occurred in Georgia, after which the Russian troops were forced to enter into conflict ???

          I mean, such events happen AFTER when someone wants to wildly cooperate with the United States, while ignoring the interests of large countries on their own land or the territory of their spheres of influence!
  • Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 19 March 2013 08: 21 New
    0
    something many are being spent on the dollar, fools, the states will soon fall apart ... as they say, the king is dead, long live the king ...
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 37 New
      -5
      Quote: sasha 19871987

      something many are being spent on this dollar, fools, the states will soon fall apart ...

      Yah? Seriously. That's all fools and you are so smart. Well, let’s listen to you. How can I replace the current system of finance? And by the way, do not tell me the date of the collapse of the United States? And then, starting from the time of the scoop, they promised us only the scoop itself has not been there for more than 20 years, but for some reason the USA ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Ali Baba

        Yah? Seriously. That's all fools and you are so smart

        As I understand it, a new nationalist from Uzbekistan is visiting us. Here and the Latvians write that they are rich, you won’t surprise us lol
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          As I understand it, a new nationalist from Uzbekistan is visiting us. Here and the Latvians write that they are rich, you won’t surprise us

          Yes, no ... we do not suffer from nationalism, unlike some, but do not boast about the standard of living
          1. Cpa
            Cpa 19 March 2013 14: 35 New
            +6
            Quote: Ali Baba
            nationalism, unlike some, do not suffer

            You are proud of him.
            I am sincerely happy for your country as a bulwark of family values, but you don’t need to mock the misfortune of other people. If the whole world elite wanted to make a mockery and a raw materials appendage from your country, like from my homeland, where would your customs be? Wahhabis dance all over the world Harlem shake, that's what friendship with the Anglo-Saxons leads to. Saddam was a friend, Gaddafi was a friend, Mubarak, Bin Laden. You can list for a long time.
            The name of the emir of Bukhara is the name of the warship heroically fighting in the Russo-Japanese War. Russian military doctors died in Turkestan fighting the plague. Soviet engineers helped build the most beautiful metro in Central Asia in Tashkent. The scoop, as you put it, was a social elevator for ordinary people in all the republics. Russia will sober up, move away, stand up and put things in order at home. And then you may be ashamed of your insults.
            Make friends with whoever you want, but remember that their first persons in the state confuse the names of the republics, I don’t know the names of the presidents. Maybe the Americans will be interested in your literature and art? Ulugbek Observatory? Architecture?
            They only need your territory and assistance.
            If a person makes friendship and flirts with a boor because he is strong, then this person will cease to respect himself.
          2. hrych
            hrych 19 March 2013 17: 19 New
            +2
            We will not recall Meskhetian Turks, but the level is lower than the baseboard.
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 31 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          As I understand it, the new nationalist from Uzbekistan

          Sasha, this is normal, we are patriots of Russia, he is of Uzbekistan. I have nothing against the Uzbeks as such. If they do not become on the streets of our cities, then I will love them all.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 March 2013 11: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: Uncle
            If they do not become on the streets of our cities, then I will love them all.

            the whole problem is corruption and law enforcement in your country !!
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay
              the whole problem is corruption and law enforcement in your country !!

              Moreover, this is such a national policy against the Russians. I believe that the true goal of such a policy is the struggle against Orthodoxy.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 19 March 2013 12: 00 New
                +3
                Quote: Uncle

                Moreover, this is such a national policy against the Russians

                just think for yourself if skinheads could exist in Russia if the authorities didn’t want this !?
                or tens of thousands of illegal migrants?
                It seems to me that everything was done in order to provoke a conflict at the right time and to show that only one person could keep everyone in check!
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              the whole problem is corruption and law enforcement in your country

              Who doesn’t know this? yes
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Uncle

            Sasha, this is normal, we are patriots of Russia, he is of Uzbekistan.

            Oh, no, the Patriot loves his country, will not lie, will not hide the problems of his country. It’s just a troll.
            Quote: Uncle
            . If they do not become on the streets of our cities, then I will love them all.

            So almost two and a half million of them, what are they doing here, when according to the guest of Alibaba we suck at them, we use the freebie winked Let them go home, we will not exploit laughing
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 10 New
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Oh no, Patriot loves his country, will not lie, will not hide the problems of his country

              Well, let's start with you. Let's start not to lie and hide problems. Where do we start? and at least from the base of the NATO toilet and paper base in Ulyanovsk. Note in Uzbekistan there is no base, but you have a strange way. wink
              1. Ragnarek
                Ragnarek 19 March 2013 12: 37 New
                +7
                I am from Ulyanovsk. I’m tired of repeating the base on this site already, there’s not a single NATO member, a plane arrives, customs inspection and on the engine further. all
                1. Uncle
                  Uncle 19 March 2013 12: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ragnarek
                  no base

                  Thank you, we will know.
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 19 March 2013 13: 00 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Ragnarek

                  I am from Ulyanovsk. I’m tired of repeating the base on this site already, there’s not a single NATO member, a plane arrives, customs inspection and on the engine further. all

                  I think everyone already knew)))
                  and what changes from the fact that there is no base ??
                  Transshipment Point !!
                  Thanks to him, Russia receives bablos from a potential enemy !!
                  And when others want to earn as well, then this is a betrayal of the interests of Russia !!
                  This is not serious!
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 12: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Ali Baba
                Note in Uzbekistan there is no base, but you have

                Show WHERE she, at least with one peep to look, there at us Rogozin cognac promised that who will find base.
                1. Ali Baba
                  Ali Baba 19 March 2013 13: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Show WHERE she, at least with one peep to look, there at us Rogozin cognac promised that who will find base.

                  Well, they promised not to lie as a patriot and boldly discuss existing problems ... and here again twenty-five bureaucratic excuses began.
                  http://www.polit.ru/news/2013/02/09/uljanovsk/
                  1. Ragnarek
                    Ragnarek 19 March 2013 14: 35 New
                    +2
                    are you flood Do you distinguish a transit point from the base? What schools do not work in the village?
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 16: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ali Baba
                    and here again twenty-five bureaucratic excuses began.

                    About transit, I myself know where the promised base is, where are the NATO soldiers ????
        3. silver_roman
          silver_roman 19 March 2013 13: 13 New
          +2
          I don’t know about the Latvians, but I personally communicated with the guys from Latvia. I was amazed at how they speak about EU membership. expected something like: "we are prospering and growing by leaps and bounds", but heard something completely different: industry has become in many ways, because Europe does not need competition. They just presented the government with 5 A4 sheets with a list of enterprises that should be liquidated or frozen (at best). There is no work, young people are on their own.

          This I purely convey from the dialogue. Only the main points.
          And this for some reason does not serve as a typical example for those wishing to cooperate with the West! as if children: until they get burned, they holyly believe ... well, God help you ...
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 19 March 2013 14: 18 New
        +2
        Salam Aleikus Ali Baba. It is useless to argue if we do something in the interests of our state, all the amers are immediately involved, they say about equality they say we respect all neighbors, and they consider us savages, you dumbasses, and sometimes all together. Russia and The USA, for us Muslims, the politics of your countries are the same (the population is a different topic, we do not live with amers, we judge by telly) Do not think that we all dream of America. They have 2 standards, Russia has 2 standards. AND THIS IS NORMAL, YOU ARE ACTING IN THE INTERESTS OF YOUR GOS-VA !!. But we don’t need to hang the noodles all supposedly, you yourself joined or asked, we did everything for your good, let you down from the trees , taught this and that. They shouted that we would ban Georgian wine and all the collapse of Georgia. And that Georgia was dead? No, on the contrary, it turned into a better side.
        While there will be an arrogant tone, conversations are down and at the same time talk about fraternity, nothing will come of it.
        And about civilization, what is civilization. Why should your concepts of civilization or the concept of amers apply to us ??? Each nation has its own criterion of civilization. Uzbek 1, we have another, Kazakh third. With such a policy and attitude to the ex-brothers, against the background of the growing and raising head of radical Islam, you will not get anyone but the enemy, and the life resource of the Soviet Union together is already exhausting, the generation dies and grows up different, where the Russians consider us all savages stupid, and we have an oath that never the generation will not have at least some business at least, but a maximum of hostility.

        And now you are throwing cons, because of the negative rating, I can write a maximum of 2 posts, so write in a personal)
        1. Ragnarek
          Ragnarek 19 March 2013 14: 49 New
          +1
          Look, there has always been and will be strong uses of the weak in the world, the poll is different in what practice and history show the US is using and throwing away, Russia at least leaves nothing at all. The difference is palpable. Now, talking about it is high - yes, that's right. when Russia was on its knees at 90, all the former republics were very happy when the United States generally put its opinion and interests on Russia. Now the situation is changing, so why don't we act like that? That's fair, everyone gets what they deserve.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 19 March 2013 15: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Ragnarek
            The United States uses and throws it away, Russia at least leaves nothing at all.

            Russia is not America at all, for example, the Indians were destroyed at the root, and in our country their ethnic relatives are Chukchi, Evenki and others live quietly.
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 19 March 2013 17: 24 New
            +1
            Heh, I can answer for Azerbaijan. We weren’t happy, on the contrary, we were shocked that they did 3 guys together. And then the provocations of Armenians and the inaction of the central government began, they went to the square in Baku and what did the central government do ?? where does the Btl soldiers are entirely Christians and most Slavs, because the Muslims were not crushed by tanks THE NORTHERN PEOPLE !! THAT WHAT THE CENTRAL AUTHORITY DID !! !! AND AFTER THIS, YOU EXPECT? I still remember these shots in the city center !!! we remember Grachev’s threats. Your trouble is that you reproach a lot of amers, but the policy is exactly the same, but stubbornly how they prove that we are loving, with good intentions. And this makes people even more angry.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 March 2013 15: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Yeraz

          And now you are throwing cons, because of the negative rating, I can write a maximum of 2 messages, so write in a personal


          Write to admin Vadim Smirnov!
          I think he will update your rating !!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 16: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            Write to admin Vadim Smirnov!
            I think he will update your rating !!

            Alibek, firstly, let him write himself, and secondly, let him respect the country on which he is located. You manage to write comments without insulting, but he writes differently. Here and advise him ............. .....
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 March 2013 18: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Alibek, first let him write


              Sanya firstly I’m not going to write for him!
              Secondly, the admins and you can at any time delete his account or delete his comments, if you consider his comments not respectful!
              You know that I don’t quite agree what he writes, often we argue with him!
              But often he writes what he thinks and there are many like him!
              I wrote to you that I respect him because he does not change his position for evaluations, but can change them if he is convinced!
              I am against insults and disrespect!
              At the same time, I know that you are an adversary of any restriction on the ability to comment because of ratings!
              I think it's better to ban than limit in the comments!
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 19 March 2013 20: 42 New
                +1
                Alibek, the land of what you decided, I will change my mind if they convince me. I always express my opinion, even in the university I spoke to Russian colonels that the policy of the Russian authorities does not solve the Karabakh problem, I sent another when I wanted to participate in my report in the Khojaly genocide conference, where he literally wrote the genocide, which was studied by the occupying forces of the Armenian gangs, which caused him displeasure with the words genocide, occupation and Armenian gangs. As a result, I managed to get the report on the table and, to my surprise, the general was in Karabakh at that time, and having called in a regiment, said that everything was there as he wrote in the report. The regiment then brought apologies to me.
                And in Baku, for my opinion, I did not last long at work, because on the first day of work in the department, I skimped 1 phrase QARAYA QARA DEYECEM, AQA AQ !! i.e. black I will call black, white white.
                Those who put the cons I think are childish, I disagree, bring arguments and lead the discussion norms. Here for the mat and specific insults in the ban, but for expressing opinions minus is funny))
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 20 March 2013 00: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yeraz

                  Alibek, the land of which you decided I will change my mind if they convince me.

                  Countryman Ali hello !!
                  I don’t understand. If someone is convinced of something and he still remains with his opinion !!! Is that how ???
                  You probably misunderstood what I wanted to say !!
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  To the genocide in Khojaly,

                  in KHOJALI!
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  I always express my opinion

                  This is normal and I think this is normal for a man !!
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  , I don’t agree, bring arguments and lead the discussion. Here for the mat and specific insults in the ban, but for expressing opinions minus it is ridiculous))
                  If from the very beginning you state that you cannot be persuaded to change your mind by persuasion, then what is the use of discussing with you using arguments, clarify ??
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 20 March 2013 17: 16 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    If from the very beginning you state that you cannot be persuaded to change your mind by persuasion, then what is the use of discussing with you using arguments, clarify ??

                    No, you didn’t understand, I meant to convince of beliefs, and not of knowledge. If I say conditionally that somewhere such a situation is economic or political, but there may be a force of insufficient infirmation, or when it’s often beautiful, the opposite is true and the person gives me arguments, then I can admit my mistake.
                    I mean this belief if I said that I would not take a bribe, then I would not, if I said that I would go to fight, I would go.
                    I hope you got what I meant)
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 21 March 2013 01: 46 New
                      0
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      No, you didn’t understand, I meant to convince of beliefs, and not of knowledge. If I say conditionally that somewhere such a situation is economic or political, but there may be a force of insufficient infirmation, or when it’s often beautiful, the opposite is true and the person gives me arguments, then I can admit my mistake.

                      I wrote about this above exactly when I noted that you can be convinced !!
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      I mean this belief if I said that I would not take a bribe, then I would not, if I said that I would go to fight, I would go.
                      In this, too, I will not be reassured, and I will be with you!
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 21 March 2013 01: 58 New
                        +2
                        Well, that’s understood each other)
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        In this, too, I will not be reassured, and I will be near you

                        Inshallah.
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 19 March 2013 20: 25 New
              +1
              Hmm, and where am I, with what particular word did I offend ??? And you recently proved to me that I was a Turk, but you didn’t show anything.
        3. saygon66
          saygon66 19 March 2013 15: 21 New
          0
          - A beautiful person writes! You are more than ever right. Dear, YOU SHOULD PULL A BLANKET ONLY FOR YOURSELF!
        4. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 16: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Yeraz

          Salam Aleikus Ali Baba

          Valeikum Asalam brother hi
          Quote: Yeraz
          The dispute is useless

          And I don’t argue ... but sometimes a tub of cold water should be drained so that they know that everything is not so simple in the world ...
          Good luck to the migrant
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 March 2013 18: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Ali Baba
            Good luck to the migrant


            you know everything)))))))))))
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 20 March 2013 08: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              you know everything)))))))))))

              Knowledge is power brother :)
        5. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 16: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Yeraz
          I. And that Georgia is dead? No, on the contrary, it has changed for the better.

          No, she’s dead, she’s just sitting in debt to the ears
  • predator.3
    predator.3 19 March 2013 08: 24 New
    +7
    Washington wants to transfer to Uzbekistan part of the equipment and equipment involved in Operation Enduring Freedom, which, in addition to existing NATO equipment, Tashkent can count on updating and necessary support for the technical base. And for this, it will be necessary to create in the territory of sovereign Uzbekistan a “small piece of America” in the form of a separate base of instructors and attendants.


    Maybe the Americans, instead of the "Tashkent-Moscow" train, will let the "Tashkent-Washington" train, and take several million Uzbek Gaster to their place?
    Whether the base will be or not, everything will depend on G. Onishchenko, will say why the Uzbeks are dirty, and all amers will not see any bases in Uzbekistan! wassat

    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: predator.3
      Will the base or not, everything depends on G. Onishchenko

      Do not overestimate Onishchenko ...
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 19 March 2013 11: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Ali Baba
        Quote: predator.3
        Will the base or not, everything depends on G. Onishchenko

        Do not overestimate Onishchenko ...

        Quote: Andrey57
        So Karimov can easily reach the visa regime of Russia with Uzbekistan, then no mattresses will help.

        Here is the answer! millions of unemployed fellow citizens, and does Karimov need this?
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 07 New
          -1
          Quote: predator.3
          Here is the answer! millions of unemployed fellow citizens, and does Karimov need this?

          The task of our state for the next two years is to return all migrant workers and jump off labor resources, depending on export dependence, since leaching of the population in the long term will lead to negative consequences and everyone understands this. So wait for the visa regime and very soon we will wait for the visa regime ourselves.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 16: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Ali Baba
            The task of our state for the next two years is to return all migrant workers and jump off labor resources depending on export dependence

            Yes, it’s easy that it’s worth building 2 million jobs wink
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 17 New
              -2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, it’s easy that it’s worth building 2 million jobs

              We at least have someone for whom to create jobs for our hard-working citizens, and for you for whom? for the Chinese? lol
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 March 2013 17: 30 New
                +4
                The Chinese are afraid of Russian missiles, but in China there are not enough women because of a bias in demographic policy, and the eyes of the Chinese muzhchit rushed to defenseless Central Asia with dwarf states. Take care of your unwashed, smelly women.
  • Edge_kmv
    Edge_kmv 19 March 2013 08: 29 New
    +4
    In my opinion, the article is nothing negative
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 19 March 2013 09: 01 New
    +3
    So Karimov can easily reach the visa regime of Russia with Uzbekistan, then no mattresses will help.
  • avt
    avt 19 March 2013 09: 37 New
    +3
    I noticed a buy, it smelled of fried, but I don’t know what to do. And I was already used to being the ruler of the sea, at least in Uzbekistan, a bull-calf about equal relations with Moscow, like all newly-minted national leaders when I was drunk Yeltsin and really liked it. And everyone will have to wean, no one will scratch their ears right now, there is no time and no money either. Rather, their heads and ears will be turned away if Akayev doesn’t have time to escape, and again to Moscow or to the kraynyak to Minsk, the path is trodden.
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 19 March 2013 09: 40 New
    +7
    In the photo with Putin, not I. Karimov, but I. Rakhmon - the president of Tajikistan ... fool
    And the article is the same ... negative
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 19 March 2013 10: 05 New
      0
      I agree that the issue of cooperation with Russia in Uzbekistan is not worth it, as in Turkmenistan.The main problem of the Pentagon is the legislative initiative of Uzbeks to ban foreign military bases in the country. If such a law is passed, the Pentagon will leave the region in the care of China, then the Asian spring will begin.
      If someone thinks that China and the US are opponents, then this is a strong fallacy. The fight of the Nanai boys. Remember who supplied the Dushmans with weapons against the USSR.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Alibekulu
      In the photo with Putin, not I. Karimov, but I. Rakhmon

      Actually? In a jamb !!!
  • Averias
    Averias 19 March 2013 09: 50 New
    +4
    All this "flirting" with the West is nothing more than a desire to get a freebie. And also a tool for blackmailing Russia (they say, don't give anything there, don't agree to our terms, we will go to the Americans). Let's look at Central Asia during the Soviet era, what we see - and we see the following picture, they are in fact parasites, they are used to living under beys. All these cotton affairs (Gdlyan), all these guild workers, secretaries of regional committee living in luxury, and so on. Even under the USSR, Central Asia was tied to drug trafficking. They are used to the fact that the Center gives money, there is also statistics - how much we spent on friendly republics, and how much on ourselves. The difference is obvious. And what kind of "experts" are there, just ogogo. They may be specialists, but they don't want to work. I saw myself how "highly qualified" Tajiks, having come to the plant, sat stupidly in the shade until our specialist explained on his fingers what to do and how. I also saw how mothers in auls, gave children tea with the addition of khanki (raw opium) so that they could sleep and not scream. And most importantly, this is their irrepressible craving for money, and preferably for free. The East, as they say, is a delicate matter, but in this case, the East is a deceitful business. They do not want and will not work. Only those who are beggars will work. But the buyers need money, and a lot. So they come up with options. Take the same Tajiks. What did they demand for the preservation of our military base? They demanded incentives for hydrocarbons (to immediately resell them at market prices) and no visa regimes with Russia (since migrants send a lot of money to their homeland from Russia). In Uzbekistan, electricity is given twice a day, there are interruptions in water supply, gas for domestic use costs several times more than for export. In order to buy DEU Nexia (they started to produce them there), you need to stand in line, take the money to the bank and wait 2 years. If the price changes upwards - pay extra, but if the price falls - nobody will return the difference. Outgoing traffic for mobile Internet is paid. Yes, a lot more. And we all go in with them. A tough policy is needed here.

    PS By the expression "THEY" I meant the ruling elite and not the people, although .......
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 33 New
      -2
      Dear, if the Uzbeks did not work with the union, what would you go to? Would you dress your potatoes? Or have you forgotten whose cotton was already? What about gunpowder? What about uranium? What about food? Is it really that poor Vanya was working hard from the Volga region and the cunning Uzbek was sitting on the sidelines? Good stuff to write here.
      Quote: Averias
      PS By the expression "THEY" I meant the ruling elite and not the people, although .......

      We know yours though ... we know our natsik, and we don’t have any illusions to you, so we are on our own and we don’t have to climb into us.
      1. Averias
        Averias 19 March 2013 10: 39 New
        +5
        You have a respected paranoia. By yourself, and live on their own. Why the hell are you coming to us? We called you. But for Natsik it’s possible on the hill. I did not insult you. And since you so eagerly rushed to make excuses, this speaks of the veracity of my words. And the fact that they rushed to insult, hehe, that self-esteem is understated and ambitions are naughty? So it's not too late for a psychiatrist.

        And they worked on the bill, yeah, you might think that you were laborers at weaving mills, and that you were hunchbacked on cotton fields. The women you plowed, and you chilled in a teahouse, sweated in bikini robes. Ambitions then die. While you were engaged in cotton posts, we built you, infrastructure, factories. Yes, and we gave you a fair amount of subsidies. So, pooh for you because the troll bears from you a mile away.
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 53 New
          -3
          Well, that’s all you took off the mask and everything fell into place ... you’re offended, you see the Uzbeks often offended you ... I understand it happens wink And who else gave the subsidies to you ... you lived at your expense in Moscow and St. Petersburg and Blacks fed in Africa and we plowed on you and your ambitions .... well, as they say, the end has come and you will no longer have freebies comrades so do not meddle with us wink It’s better to dig in to Nauru and Tuvalu, they will understand you and recognize any crazy ideas.
          1. Averias
            Averias 19 March 2013 11: 03 New
            +5
            Quote from the movie "Heart of a Dog" - Take the trouble to explain where you got the scar on your forehead, Sharikov. Yes, I am wounded on the Kolchak fronts. This is not the case for you. Did you feed me? Yeah, well, I'm really shocked. It is, of course, where are we without you then (I'm talking about you now, breadwinner). And how I survived, I don’t know.
            Your quote: "You lived at our expense in Moscow and St. Petersburg" It characterizes you very clearly. Only now I have nothing to do with Moscow and Peter. And at the expense of who gave what to whom. So here she is statistics, you can't trample on her, if you please:

            For one ruble of the republic’s own funds, they additionally received at the expense of the Russian Federation in 1985 and 1990, respectively:
            Moldova - 22 cop. and 90 cop. (increase in 4,1 times)
            Latvia - 33 and 64 cop. (in 2 times)
            Turkmenistan - 58 and 89 cop. (in 1,5 times)
            Estonia - 69 cop. and 1 rub. 27 cop (in 1,8 times)
            Uzbekistan - 60 cop. and 1 rub. 63 cop (in 2,7 times)
            Kyrgyzstan - 6 cop. and 56 cop. (9 times)
            Tajikistan - 65 cop. and 1 rub. 85 cop (in 2,8 times)
            Armenia - 1 rub. 52 cop and 2 rub. 9 cop (in 1,4 times)
            Georgia - 1 rub. 46 cop and 2 rub. 96 cop (in 2 times).

            And at the expense of masks, you are respected under masks, I have nothing to hide. And even more so offended by you. Offending the wretched is a sin.
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 28 New
              -1
              Quote: Averias
              Offending the wretched is a sin.

              And what do we get used to ... wink By the way, hello N.Novgorod or where did you come to Moscow from there wink
            2. knn54
              knn54 19 March 2013 15: 31 New
              +2
              Labor productivity in the republics of the SA was several times lower than the national average. About 20 billion dollars have been invested over the past 160 years only in the development of land reclamation, which was carried out mainly in the republics of Central Asia.
              1. Ali Baba
                Ali Baba 19 March 2013 16: 44 New
                -3
                Quote: knn54
                About 20 billion dollars were invested in the development of land reclamation, which was carried out mainly in the republics of Central Asia, over the past 160 years.

                What are the last 20 years, ay ... we’ve been running away like a friend for 22 years ... and if you put cotton in without scoop during the scoop, well, you don’t grow like a bastard? and we didn’t need a monoculture in cotton, but the center demanded like this
                1. knn54
                  knn54 19 March 2013 19: 36 New
                  0
                  Ali Baba. 1990 (91?) And as for the water, it would be better to use the capabilities of Sarez Lake with the Tajiks, and not mine the common border.
                  But again vague doubts torment me, this time about specialists and money.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Ali Baba
            And who else gave the subsidies to you ... at our expense you lived in your Moscow and St. Petersburg and Blacks fed in Africa and we plowed on you and your ambitions ..

            It appears that you are offended, you see Muscovites were very offended yes wink
            Quote: Ali Baba
            Well, well, as they say, the end has come and you will no longer be freebies comrades so do not meddle

            Let’s write, the mood just rises laughing
            1. Averias
              Averias 19 March 2013 11: 11 New
              +5
              Yeah, I've been sitting here for half an hour. The man is not adequate or what? Or the first time I got to my computer and "learned" the power of the Internet laughing Well, heresy writes and, apparently, to be continued. Waiting for.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Averias
                Yeah, I've been sitting here for half an hour. Man is not adequate or what?

                Yes, he’s registered Karimov wassat
                1. Ali Baba
                  Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 45 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Yes, he’s registered Karimov

                  It will be greasy to you wink
              2. Ali Baba
                Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 46 New
                -1
                Quote: Averias
                Or the first time I got to my computer and "learned" the power of the Internet

                Well, where do we seromuzhny before you a new limit Maskvich we computer then on the holidays and then on the window wink
          3. consul
            consul 19 March 2013 11: 34 New
            +8
            Quote: Ali Baba
            Well, that’s all you took off the mask and everything fell into place ... you’re offended, you see the Uzbeks often offended you ... I understand it happens wink And who else gave the subsidies to you ... you lived at your expense in Moscow and St. Petersburg and Blacks fed in Africa and we plowed on you and your ambitions .... well, as they say, the end has come and you will no longer have freebies comrades so do not meddle with us wink It’s better to dig in to Nauru and Tuvalu, they will understand you and recognize any crazy ideas.

            I have friends from Uchkuduk and Novaya, they arrived in the early 90s, a whole area in the city appeared from those who came from Uzbekistan ... They had Moscow security, according to their stories, cars in stores as now in car dealerships (changed every 3 years , and only on the "Volga" went, and we in the Volga region for years on the "Cossacks" stood), video recorders for the first time in the USSR, sweets, sausages and other products were just in abundance, or say that all this was produced by you (? ), and, by the way, everyone worked there, except for Uzbek men chewing nasvai, women picked cotton. When they left there, the aborigines who came in large numbers from the province immediately dirtied the city (Uch Kuduk) with sheep and yurts. In fairness, I must say that friends were it’s wild to hear obscenities, which they practically didn’t hear. So that your women didn’t work for us for free, but for real support, like the Caucasus. about Bruce Lee), one on one was afraid.
            I also watched a photo of how Uch Kuduk was built and not Uzbeks built it.
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 04 New
              -3
              Quote: consul
              And about the insults, they told me, as usual, they only threw themselves at a Russian in a crowd (especially after films about Bruce Lee), they were afraid one on one.

              Oh oh oh what Uzbeks are not good which are bad .... well, there are no words.
              Quote: consul
              I also watched a photo of how Uch Kuduk was built and not Uzbeks built it.

              And they say that the chickens are milked ... and I also saw a photo of how Moscow was not Russian worth ... what a nightmare ... and it happens wink
              Quote: consul
              according to their stories, cars in stores are like now in car dealerships (they were changed every 3 years, and only Volga cars were driven

              But envy is not a good feeling ... no need to envy, and so by the way we would go to Uchkuduk and work in the desert and in uranium mines and gold mines at 50 degrees heat, I would look at you like you would like it all wink
              1. consul
                consul 19 March 2013 12: 22 New
                0
                Quote: Ali Baba
                Quote: consul
                And about the insults, they told me, as usual, they only threw themselves at a Russian in a crowd (especially after films about Bruce Lee), they were afraid one on one.

                Oh oh oh what Uzbeks are not good which are bad .... well, there are no words.

                I have a neutral attitude towards the Uzbeks, but to those who came to us in Russia (I wonder why?) They came up negative.
                Quote: consul
                I also watched a photo of how Uch Kuduk was built and not Uzbeks built it.

                And they say that the chickens are milked ... and I also saw a photo of how Moscow was not Russian worth ... what a nightmare ... and it happens wink

                Only the photo of the construction of Uch Kuduk really is, but you have no photo of the construction of Moscow))).
                Quote: consul
                according to their stories, cars in stores are like now in car dealerships (they were changed every 3 years, and only Volga cars were driven

                But envy is not a good feeling ... no need to envy, and so by the way we would go to Uchkuduk and work in the desert and in uranium mines and gold mines at 50 degrees heat, I would look at you like you would like it all wink

                . Yes, and I do not envy me, decent work, decent pay, my father worked at a mine as an excavator excavator, he died in the mid-90s.
          4. Normal
            Normal 19 March 2013 21: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Ali Baba
            you see the Uzbeks often offended you.

            Don't flatter yourself. Whom can you offend? I served with Uzbeks and I know very well - Uzbeks are not warriors. Up to a quarter of the "combat" companies were representatives of your glorious people, and there were five sergeants for the entire regiment. I don’t remember Uzbek officers, for the life of me. Almost all grenade launchers were Uzbeks, since the grenade launcher was the heaviest weapon in the company and the most narrow-minded and illiterate soldiers had to carry it.
            Quote: Ali Baba
            And who else gave the subsidies to ... they lived at the expense of us

            Well, yes, the Uzbek grass will be cooler than others, only after getting smoked to green dogs it can be argued that the Uzbeks were plowing and the Russians were fattening.
            Once, one from Central Asia told me here in the suburbs that the Russians won the war only because the Nazis poured Asian blood, while the Russians themselves were hiding behind the backs of Uzbeks, Kazakhs and other Turkmens. It was not necessary to drag Paskud long and far; in each village there is a monument with more surnames than the number of people living in the village now.
            As you fought so you plowed. So you will break:
            Quote: Ali Baba
            Well, as they say, the end has come and you will no longer have freebies, comrades, so do not meddle with us

            That you would not climb to us, and we will come to you only when you will cut each other. Yes, and that is unlikely. Not at all ....
      2. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq 19 March 2013 11: 18 New
        0
        How do you "by yourself" all of Russia knows and it is not necessary to climb up to us! And you called a person for truth a Natsik?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Heccrbq
          And you called a man Natsik for the truth?

          Who is koment?
      3. Uncle
        Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Ali Baba
        Dear, if the Uzbeks did not work with the union, what would you go to?

        By the way, I will support. When there was famine after the revolution, the people burst into Uzbekistan. Remember the expression: "Tashkent is a city of bread". And during the Second World War, refugees were sent there. In general, if it were not for the surplus of foreigners in Russia, there would be nothing to blame the Uzbeks for.
      4. Normal
        Normal 19 March 2013 20: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Ali Baba

        Dear, if the Uzbeks did not work with the union, what would you go to?

        Dear, there was no republic in the USSR whose titular people would not think that it was he who "feeds impoverished Russia" This sinned by both the Ukrainians and the Balts and the Kazakhs with their virgin lands and Transcaucasia with their wine, cognac and tangerines.
        However, it is known that only two republics transferred more to the budget of the Union than they received from there. Guess which ones? Hint: Uzbekistan is not included in this number.
        Yes, your republic gave cotton. But Uzbekistan received much more for this than it deserved. Or maybe the standard of living in your republic increased after the collapse of the union?
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 19 March 2013 21: 25 New
          +1
          Normal

          But Uzbekistan received much more for this than it deserved. Or maybe
          Does the standard of living in your republic increase after the collapse of the union?


          You understand what they said, friend? They themselves asked a question, and they themselves answered it. Yes, the standard of living in Uzbekistan has fallen. But not because Uzbekistan was subsidized, but because, this is your notorious cotton, it was on the 10th, 20th lines in the general list of products supplied from Uzbekistan. Perhaps this will be a discovery for you, but on the first lines there were things without which we would not have seen space - fluorite, ultrapure silicon, manganese, rare earth elements, drag and half drag stones (I hope these stones are not only associated with trinkets on girls? ) This is one of the reasons why Karimov, like Nazarabaev, fought for the USSR, at least in some form. Karimov agreed to the confederation, so as not to tear apart solid production clusters, and worked out cooperation. At the sunset of the USSR, in Kyrgyzstan, they were going to expand the production of semiconductor devices - raw materials are nearby, the air is clean. It didn’t work ... Scum Humpbacked, and the bastard of EBN was taken away.

          You, a person, not only be normal in words, but at times learn materiel ... then you will definitely answer your nickname ...
          1. Normal
            Normal 19 March 2013 22: 34 New
            0
            Quote: de_monSher
            You understand what they said, friend?

            Of course, I understood, but here, judging by your post, no.
            Quote: de_monSher
            Your notorious cotton,

            Why on earth is my cotton? This is Ali Baba cotton, read carefully.
            Quote: de_monSher
            Probably for you it will be a revelation,

            No, this will not be a discovery for me. Each republic gave something to a common boiler. Just slurped from this boiler, too, everything. And Russia received from this boiler less than it invested in, unlike all other republics except Azerbaijan. And nothing about Uzbekistan.
            Minerals are almost everywhere. Firstly, it is necessary to establish control over the territory. Secondly, to prospect and extract minerals. Thirdly, to process and produce finished products. Choose any two of these three points that Uzbekistan was able to implement independently, without Russia and other republics of the union. What, no such? Then at times you need to learn the materiel.
            Quote: de_monSher

            You, man, not only in words be normal

            Quote: de_monSher
            then you will definitely answer your nickname ..

            Yes, I am normal, and there is help wassat
            My nickname is to a certain extent a provocation. The forum user who is attracted by the fact that someone called himself normal cannot be considered normal in full measure. In any case, those of them who do not have enough sense not to speak out on this matter. So, excuse me, I am not your friend. If you cling to a nickname - ignore!
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 19 March 2013 22: 51 New
              0
              Normal

              Cling to the nickname - to ignore!


              Yes, for God's sake ... *) a woman with a cart, it's easier for a mare ... *) You, apparently, are also the "prince" of the old State Planning Commission, all that numbers knocked out ... *))

              Well, in pursuit, sorry for the "clinging" to the nickname ... *) my fault. And yours is pretentiousness, not possession of information, and just frank - balabolism ... *)

              Where are the numbers, ummm ... citizen? *) Specific? For gas, uranium, gold, fluorite, rare earth elements, manganese, chromium. titanium, tungsten and even cotton ... "not yours, notorious" ... *))
  • Ali Baba
    Ali Baba 19 March 2013 10: 26 New
    -7
    Hmm ... as usual here went wed ... h. Here, some people write that Uzbekistan is asking for something from Russia, etc., neither of which has ever asked anyone and is not asking for these claims. And the fact that there will be a transit, and you forgot something about the patriots cheers about Ulyanovsk and the NATO base there, huh? Have you forgotten that cargoes will go further? Or have you all decided at once that everything will just disappear from Uzbekistan to nowhere in the USA? Before yelling about a mote in the neighbor’s eye, remove your snag from the eye ...
    We live on our own and we don’t climb to you, so you don’t yell and do not meddle in the affairs of another state.
    1. Averias
      Averias 19 March 2013 10: 45 New
      +4
      Have you seen this base yourself? It is only in words and somewhere theoretically. Therefore, there is no need to talk about what is not. If you want in the USA, the flag is in your hands, only who needs you there. Anyway, who needs you? About uranium, of course, you "strongly" bent. To lie is not to carry bags. In addition to you, uranium is excellent for us and Africa has been supplying and supplying, and we also mined it here, Yakutia, Chita region.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 05 New
        -5
        And you would have to lie to your zombie ... we just didn’t open the bases, but you opened it at your place ... and we came up with such an excuse saying that they should keep toilet paper here, we’ll believe aha Schazzzz ... And we don’t and we’re not going to ask the states how we lived and continue to pull people with us hard workers are not drunks and suffer from loss of morality and love children.
        1. Averias
          Averias 19 March 2013 11: 09 New
          +5
          I certainly understand that ganjubas is strong in Asia. But it looks like LSD smells here. Do you smoke tovarisch. You have not clearly answered more than one argument. Some drool with snot. But you worship a zomboy. Since this is a quote: "And you lie"a person educated from a zombie box can write wassat
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 March 2013 11: 20 New
      +3
      Why did you come here, such a tongued one? From your "chic" Uzbekistan only and all flee. Go to work.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 11: 43 New
        -2
        Quote: fzr1000
        Why did you come here, so linguistic?

        Forgot your permission to ask about the great lord wink Well, just touches your tone megalomania just well rushing out of you wink
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 19 March 2013 20: 27 New
          0
          Look at yourself...
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 19 March 2013 11: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: fzr1000
        Why did you come here, so linguistic?

        In vain they attacked him, we have already dispersed all the Georgians with the Armenians, the Jews groan, soon we will not talk to anyone.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 March 2013 14: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Uncle
          Quote: fzr1000
          Why did you come here, so linguistic?

          In vain they attacked him, we have already dispersed all the Georgians with the Armenians, the Jews groan, soon we will not talk to anyone.

          Do not worry, Azerbaijanis will be here everywhere)))
          1. Normal
            Normal 19 March 2013 21: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            Jews moan, soon you will not talk to anyone

            Jews will never leave. Do not even hope ..... laughing
            Quote: Yeraz
            Do not worry, Azerbaijanis will be here everywhere)))

            And he said that only two comments ... recourse
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 19 March 2013 20: 29 New
          0
          I didn’t notice something about the "dispersed" Georgians, Jews, Armenians, etc. Take a walk through all the hot spots and shops of Moscow, past new houses and old expensive districts. Everyone is here.
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 19 March 2013 10: 41 New
    0
    China, Iran, Russia, India, Turkey and the USA are "fighting" for Uzbekistan. Periodically, representatives of each country are kicked out at "24 hours" (in Russia, MTS, CSTO, TS). Amers are also no exception.
    The United States seems to be the farthest territorially "these monsters". Again, 20 auto plants should operate Daewoo-Chevrolet (let's remember the auto industry of Ukraine).
    Here's an approximate layout in which Karimov lives and who will blow his head off is unknown.
  • Circle
    Circle 19 March 2013 11: 08 New
    +3
    Why is there a leader next to Putin on the photo with Putin Tajikistan? Or is there no difference? laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 11: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Circle
      Or is there no difference?

      Is there really laughing
      1. romb
        romb 19 March 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        Do you think that there is no difference?
        What a blessing that you are not in the government of the Russian Federation. fellow
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 12: 03 New
          0
          Quote: romb
          Do you think that there is no difference?
          What a blessing that you are not in the government of the Russian Federation

          This is where I work, by the way, in secret ............... Vladimir Vladimirovich, also does not see the difference wink
          1. romb
            romb 19 March 2013 12: 23 New
            +1
            in secret ............... Vladimir Vladimirovich also sees no difference

            The main thing is that others do not know about it laughing
  • rus9875
    rus9875 19 March 2013 11: 35 New
    +1
    Incidentally, in Uzbekistan there was already an American base after the September 11 attacks and Karimov at one time very technically attacked Americans. But after permitting the transit of American military cargo through Russia, we should somehow roll a barrel on the Uzbeks before we look impartially At the end after all, it’s not in Tashkent but in Moscow that the liberals staged pro-American demonstrations
  • cayber_bob
    cayber_bob 19 March 2013 11: 52 New
    +1
    Since we all here understand that the partnership with the Yankees ultimately leads to an outright scam, then Karimov perfectly understands this. And we can’t even talk about understanding Russia. Here I want to note the long leash of Russia - it is precisely the calm of Russia in relation to the foreign policy of Uzbekistan that creates the pro-American course. I suppose that it was Russia that could become the initiator of the rapprochement between Uzbekistan and the United States, since for the return of the prodigal son (Georgia, Ukraine, etc.) home, he must get into an unpleasant situation.

    And another stick from two ends - Uzbekistan, due to its pride, does not want to go into the arms of Russia itself, and Russia wants to have an alliance, but does not want to invite Uzbekistan to itself in an open manner. And here the Yankees from all sides "help", "invite", "love" ..., in short, who will not be flattering when the "big brother" cares about you so much? Generals, politicians, ministers, in short, the entire US and NATO elite visit Uzbekistan several times a year, and how many times did the Russian elite visit Uzbekistan?

    For countries such as Uzbekistan, it doesn't really matter who the "elder brother" (Russia, USA, China) is, the most important thing is that he was. And how can small countries live without their "big brother"? But it will also be difficult for the "starshak" without such allied countries as Uzbekistan, and everyone understands this very well.

    I personally support the economic and political integration of not only the former Soviet Union countries, but all the others. I am simply amazed at the expenditures of countries on armaments and the army that are almost never used in most countries, or so that these weapons do not receive the label "not used in hostilities"; Libya ... a whole bunch of examples).
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 02 New
    0
    Quote: consul
    Quote: Ali Baba
    Well, that’s all you took off the mask and everything fell into place ... you’re offended, you see the Uzbeks often offended you ... I understand it happens wink And who else gave the subsidies to you ... you lived at your expense in Moscow and St. Petersburg and Blacks fed in Africa and we plowed on you and your ambitions .... well, as they say, the end has come and you will no longer have freebies comrades so do not meddle with us wink It’s better to dig in to Nauru and Tuvalu, they will understand you and recognize any crazy ideas.

    I have friends from Uchkuduk and Novaya, they arrived in the early 90s, a whole area in the city appeared from those who came from Uzbekistan ... They had Moscow security, according to their stories, cars in stores as now in car dealerships (changed every 3 years , and only on the "Volga" went, and we in the Volga region for years on the "Cossacks" stood), video recorders for the first time in the USSR, sweets, sausages and other products were just in abundance, or say that all this was produced by you (? ), and, by the way, everyone worked there, except for Uzbek men chewing nasvai, women picked cotton. When they left there, the aborigines who came in large numbers from the province immediately dirtied the city (Uch Kuduk) with sheep and yurts. In fairness, I must say that friends were it’s wild to hear obscenities, which they practically didn’t hear. So that your women didn’t work for us for free, but for real support, like the Caucasus. about Bruce Lee), one on one was afraid.
    I also watched a photo of how Uch Kuduk was built and not Uzbeks built it.
    1. MasterMiga
      MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 04 New
      0
      absolutely agree. natives, they just stayed there and only Tashkent holds the mark as secular customs still exist in the presence of a small diaspora of Russians
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 45 New
        -1
        Quote: MasterMiga
        absolutely agree. natives, they just stayed there and only Tashkent holds the mark as secular customs still exist in the presence of a small diaspora of Russians

        Oh well, the white mass already calls us indigenous by kindness, kindly ... you know, there is such a category of people who, wherever they live, still charm this place and dump the crap further where it will be warmer ... it doesn’t tell you anything ?
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 17: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Ali Baba
          calls us and natives

          Aboriginal - the same as autochthon; the indigenous inhabitant of a particular territory or country, living "originally".
          Well, what's the problem?
  • cayber_bob
    cayber_bob 19 March 2013 12: 06 New
    +1
    According to the current situation in Uzbekistan, I can safely say that Uzbekistan does not have a specific ally in the person of the United States or Russia. YES, the pro-American course is being felt, and this course is more and more intensified over time, but I want to note how the government of Uzbekistan behaves, the people of Uzbekistan and Russia.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 19 March 2013 14: 50 New
      0
      Rahmat, dear! fellow
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 07 New
    0
    I don't know what will happen when we leave Afghanistan, but I think the Taliban will surely trample across the river, and the border guards are unlikely to resist themselves, the army is good on paper, but in real life the soldiers are "stupid", they would only have to hold a pickaxe. I myself studied in Tashkent at TVVPU, and I know not by hearsay what kind of army and country Uzbekistan is. Older people still respect those few Russians that remain, but young people are just dumb.
    1. cayber_bob
      cayber_bob 19 March 2013 12: 19 New
      +1
      I can’t disagree with you about the stupidity of youth, but like the soldiers of the USSR, soldiers of the Uzbek army are still not very developed youth who are quickly studying. And they are trained by real officers who studied at the best military academies in the world, mainly in Russia, or are associated with the army for family reasons. I hope, if necessary (God forbid) the army of Uzbekistan will be able to provide decent resistance.
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 19 March 2013 17: 11 New
      0
      Quote: MasterMiga
      I think the Taliban will trample across the river

      repeatedly spoken such statements. but no one ever explains - for what purpose?
  • Bear52
    Bear52 19 March 2013 12: 08 New
    +2
    Interestingly, comrade, what does the photo "Putin - Rakhmon" have to do with the article? wassat bully
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 19 March 2013 12: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Bear52
      Interestingly, comrade, what does the photo "Putin - Rakhmon" have to do with the article?

      Most directly, they were three of them, just Karimov went ... to. laughing
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 10 New
    +1
    SNB officers are turning in the country what they want, small businesses are shut down, people are unemployed, every second was a taxi driver in Termez, and this shop was covered, taxis, copy points and game rooms with computers are the only business that half of the city was engaged in to feed
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 14 New
    +1
    not pease and that there is no base !!! and the Germans with the Luftwaffe have been doing in Termez for 10 years ??? they arranged all the hotels for them, whores from all over the republic for work came to our city .... there’s no Mlyn’s base ... you don’t even know a guy and write
  • ed65b
    ed65b 19 March 2013 12: 16 New
    +2
    Let the Tashket king think. And we parted ways with the Uzbeks long ago. It's one thing to shout a mustakillik at 90 and drive all foreigners home, it's another thing to grow the economy ourselves. And then a failure. No specialists, all left, the locals, except the market and the fields, can do nothing (not reproached). And there is gas, but for others, the water ran out and the towns and villages were populated. All or almost all who did not leave for Tashkent have moved. Drug addiction, unemployment is total. the standard of living is below the plinth. Medicine is in decline, the ambulance does not travel for free for calls. Karimov's dream of Great Uzbekistan did not come true. (In other words, it came true for him). And that depressing people can do nothing. Everything and everyone is crushed. Total surveillance and corruption. The SNB (analogue of the FSB) does not press childishly. Torture and murder in prisons and zones. A ban on the departure of young men to work in neighboring Kazakhstan. An exit "stamp" in the passport which may not be given without explanation. (Give it to your paw) This is what the current regime of Karimov is. What can Russia do? Give money? It won't help, everything will go to the king. After all, this is his personal khanate.
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Ali Baba
    Quote: fzr1000
    Why did you come here, so linguistic?

    Forgot your permission to ask about the great lord wink Well, just touches your tone megalomania just well rushing out of you wink
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 20 New
    0
    Quote: ed65b
    Let the Tashket king think. And we parted ways with the Uzbeks long ago. It's one thing to shout a mustakillik at 90 and drive all foreigners home, it's another thing to grow the economy ourselves. And then a failure. No specialists, all left, the locals, except the market and the fields, can do nothing (not reproached). And there is gas, but for others, the water ran out and the towns and villages were populated. All or almost all who did not leave for Tashkent have moved. Drug addiction, unemployment is total. the standard of living is below the plinth. Medicine is in decline, the ambulance does not travel for free for calls. Karimov's dream of Great Uzbekistan did not come true. (In other words, it came true for him). And that depressing people can do nothing. Everything and everyone is crushed. Total surveillance and corruption. The SNB (analogue of the FSB) does not press childishly. Torture and murder in prisons and zones. A ban on the departure of young men to work in neighboring Kazakhstan. An exit "stamp" in the passport which may not be given without explanation. (Give it to your paw) This is what the current regime of Karimov is. What can Russia do? Give money? It won't help, everything will go to the king. After all, this is his personal khanate.
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 12: 20 New
    0
    support
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 19 March 2013 12: 30 New
    0
    Yesterday I was driving, listening to the radio in a car, the news slipped that Russia was going to introduce a visa regime with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. Today it was also reported on the radio that Tajikistan had set conditions for Russia that we should modernize their army and increase investments in some kind of they are under construction there, and after that they will only begin to consider the issue of our base. To which the Russian Foreign Ministry replied that it was not acceptable for the Russian side. And again about the introduction of visas for these brothers-u-ryu-kov. Damn these frenzied fleas sometimes a dustik, dustik ... I remember Uzbeks well when there are one or two of the most executive soldiers in the company. I don’t understand everything for up to a year, after a year it’s not necessary. And how they lived, leaving the elder ready where you want to lick, if only in boots sent to a demobilization, and not in boots ... Esthetes.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 19 March 2013 12: 44 New
    +1
    Let Central Asia go by three funny letters with your own requests.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 12: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Let Central Asia go by three funny letters with your own requests.

      Comrade, no one has asked you anything yet, so I also wish you to go in the same direction wink
  • washi
    washi 19 March 2013 12: 50 New
    0
    I thought only Russians learn from their mistakes, but it turns out all of Central Asia. But if WE draw conclusions from our mistakes, then TAM, in my opinion, is not
  • saygon66
    saygon66 19 March 2013 12: 54 New
    +1
    - In the actions of the government of Uzbekistan, the direction "Everything for oneself" is clearly traced. In the early 90s, they very deftly threw through the ... thigh, first the Turks and then South Koreans. We must pay tribute: Mr. Karimov is a skilful leader - since 91 he has kept the country from falling into an inter-clan war. As far as I remember at the time, he was the only neutral presidential candidate. Perhaps, thanks to his leadership, the Russians did not suffer the fate of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. It is necessary to have strong allies for Uzbekistan - Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan have territorial claims to it, and, if something happens, they will take the country apart. I would like to say about the resources: The uranium trade market is as limited as the market for diamonds and gold (by the way, there is also an abundance of gold in Uzbekistan) and is tightly controlled. The mentioned cotton in bulk refers (changes are possible ...) to short-staple grades and was used as raw material for explosives and stuffing of soldier's pea jackets. Perhaps this explains why Uzbekistan has not yet become a monopoly in the production of the above-mentioned resources. The question is whether it will be possible to dissolve amers without consequences, because, unlike Russia, the States are not so good-natured - they demand their money anyway .... In this case, Uzbekistan may get a civil war, and Russia is another "hot spot" at hand. And in conclusion: Khurmatli Ali Bobo tell me as a Nazi: Why is the United States better than Russia? You are unlikely for them to be full partners and friends, God forbid, they will be confused with Iraq!
  • Ali Baba
    Ali Baba 19 March 2013 13: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: saygon66
    Why are the States better than Russia? You are unlikely for them full partners and friends, God forbid, confuse with Iraq!

    And someone wrote which is better. You both stand gentlemen wink
    Quote: saygon66
    like natsik-natsik:

    Dear I have never considered and do not consider myself a Natsik, you are not at this address. My circle of friends and communication as for you all the Russians who did not travel outside the Moscow Ring Road would not be surprising but it is multinational. We are all friends not because we are Uzbek or Russian or Kazakh, but simply because we are interesting people wink
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 19 March 2013 14: 01 New
      +2
      - Believe it or not, until 94 I also considered myself an "interesting person"! But, if the friendship is not based on ethnicity. Why is it that so many people - and not only Russians - have left and are leaving the places where they were born and raised? You will say. that they were running from the difficulties of life? So after all, Russia did not smear us with honey in those years. My father was born and raised in the makhalla, he perfectly knew the language and customs of the Uzbeks and taught us to respect our neighbors, but. all this did not prevent his family from being squeezed out of their homes, and he had nothing to do with the "colonial administration".
  • wax
    wax 19 March 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    The greatest impact on Central Asian regimes is the closure of Russian borders and the transition to a visa regime while opening a roadmap for obtaining Russian citizenship for the most professionally trained specialists and guaranteeing the preservation of their oligarchs' deposits in Russian banks.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 19 March 2013 13: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: Ali Baba
    Quote: predator.3
    And what then millions of Uzbeks plow for pennies in the vastness of Russia, if you have paradise there!

    And who writes that we have a paradise? No, dear, we are taught to work to value family values. We do not have full-fledged game parades where they don’t speak. We have enough time to live for ourselves, we respect our parents and don’t abandon them in old age. We have faith and no naked woman will lead Punk is a prayer service at our shrines and most importantly we are not drunk and not profane and live within our means. Understanding this, I believe and know that such people will achieve exactly the good and bright in life and in the country.

    Well done (for patriotism), I think that from Uzbekistan, you are from 1000 km or more, and you were there for the last time, a year since 1990.
    For even according to the official version, the overwhelming majority of citizens of Uzbekistan have long had a firm opinion that all the economic successes of this country, about which the authorities of Uzbekistan so love to speak in delightful tones, are a bluff, a myth, a soap bubble. Agriculture of Uzbekistan is gradually, but confidently moving to manual labor using horse-drawn vehicles. And this is in the XNUMXst century. The philosophical basis for the existence of a people within the country and the relationship between social groups is feudalism, with signs of a slave system. So that your confidence has fantastic roots - a schizophrenic property.
  • Ali Baba
    Ali Baba 19 March 2013 13: 48 New
    -2
    Quote: stranik72
    So that your confidence has fantastic roots - a schizophrenic property.

    What to argue with you ... The one who laughs last laughs well. You can at least crack and not believe your business, and so you are dying out slowly .... and we live wink
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 17: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Ali Baba
      . You can at least crack and not believe your business, and so you are dying out slowly .... and we live

      Well, who has seen enough of the zombie box laughing
    2. hrych
      hrych 19 March 2013 17: 25 New
      +4
      Here it is not so, the Chinese will come your mother, you will be .., so we laugh.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 38 New
        -1
        Quote: hrych
        Here it is not so, the Chinese will come your mother, you will be .., so we laugh.

        And I see you are a lover of strawberries ... But for some reason, the Chinese people, yes, a dime a dozen, but here you can’t see something and apparently they don’t sit there wink
        1. hrych
          hrych 19 March 2013 17: 46 New
          +2
          Ask the inhabitants of the region there two times, and there is no work in China. slantinglyMongoloids, there all your illegal immigrants are more present.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 19 March 2013 14: 00 New
    +5
    Quote: Ali Baba
    Quote: stranik72
    So that your confidence has fantastic roots - a schizophrenic property.

    What to argue with you ... The one who laughs last laughs well. You can at least crack and not believe your business, and so you are dying out slowly .... and we live wink

    Yeah, you live, go to Kogan (recently there was) there is a cemetery - a military cemetery, Muslims are kept in order, separately Orthodox, so in your half (there are already practically no Orthodox Christians in the republic in the army) every day there’s an undeclared grave , about the civil-graveyards was not silent. But I don’t laugh, why should I laugh, I mock at your fantastic belief that under me there is no basis in the current conditions of Uzbekistan. And about Russia, we have experienced the worst times, we will survive these.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 15: 54 New
      0
      Quote: stranik72
      we have experienced the worst times, we will survive these.

      Well, here you go through it means we are not lol and what are we worse than you? like all people like people or not, or what is different?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 17: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Ali Baba
        like all people like people or not, or what is different?

        Yes, there is a difference, even in the worst of times, we don’t go to you to earn money in millions, and you are even the best (with your words) and with plans to employ 2 million people, you are going to Russia in millions. Someone lives and someone survives wink
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, there is a difference, even in the worst of times, we don’t go to you to earn money,

          What are you saying? And in the 30s, who rushed to Middle Asia for bread and earnings? And in the 40s in the war, I generally keep quiet just the same millions and perls here for a warm and more or less satisfying life. Learn history and don't la la wink
  • ed65b
    ed65b 19 March 2013 14: 39 New
    +3
    What gentlemen are you fighting with each other? The Uzbek people, for the most part, are very hospitable and hospitable. In any village you will be accepted and the last will be put on the table and help will not be refused. My case was with my pregnant wife and my grandmother I stayed in the mountains on the highway at night (the wheel burst and the spare wheel was unlucky) I went to the nearest village in the first house I got and while the hosts and my women ate tea, I ate the wheel - The tire fitting was raised at night. And such cases are darkness. There is a trickster - but it is mainly in the cities of traders and all sorts of tricky ones. but those who hold power are another matter. There is no need to compare the people with the Bays and Hanami of the local spill. Karim at the helm sits not because he is very smart but because he is very cruel and he does not care about the rights of his people. Get under the distribution of local cops eat. In 2000, sitting in Samarkand in a restaurant and going down to the bar, he pulled out sums from his pocket and caught several bills with American money, after 5-7 minutes people came up to me and showed identification cards and asked me to explain where the currency is (happy faces will be taken away) Showed Russian passport and explained that he flew to friends. Behind but with sad faces. And friends really fell under the distribution and had to pay off. And all this insolent and open. so, dear, my opinion is not bad people but bais are arrogant.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 19 March 2013 15: 25 New
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      The Uzbek people for the most part are very hospitable and hospitable

      There is a canteen in the basement of our office center. There is an Uzbek at the checkout. As they say in Odessa, a beauty I don’t know. If I weren’t Orthodox, I would have left everything for such a .....
  • Black
    Black 19 March 2013 15: 15 New
    +2
    Ali Baba from the ideological department. "Got off" ten dogs. "
    Well, well, to love the homeland, not to give it offense, is commendable.
    The national "childishness" will pass over time, and the assessments of "colonial" life in the USSR will change.
    Kaprimov wants to sit on a high chair and eat a fish, which is very pragmatic. Farsighted look. But who is safe from mistakes? How much has Russia filled?
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 16: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Chen
      Ali Baba from the ideological department. "Got off" ten dogs. "

      The time will come to grow just such a generation as I and people similar to me who will love Uzbekistan and appreciate it. We honor worldly values ​​and do not die out. We will become more and more ... what do you think geyrops have a future? or those who have lost the desire to live peoples for whom to give birth in scrap?
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 15: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Ali Baba
    Quote: MasterMiga
    absolutely agree. natives, they just stayed there and only Tashkent holds the mark as secular customs still exist in the presence of a small diaspora of Russians

    Oh well, the white mass already calls us indigenous by kindness, kindly ... you know, there is such a category of people who, wherever they live, still charm this place and dump the crap further where it will be warmer ... it doesn’t tell you anything ?
    1. MasterMiga
      MasterMiga 19 March 2013 15: 21 New
      +2
      Who taught you such a pure Russian language? that you learned to write in Russian without errors and consider yourself the smartest? I suppose you are friends with the same guys ... what about those who are from the villages? are you rooting with them? or already felt like an elite
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 16: 07 New
        0
        Quote: MasterMiga
        that I learned to write in Russian without errors and consider yourself the smartest?

        I’m yes, but you respected lived here for 24 years, I ate salt and didn’t even deign to learn a language, and how to number one. We know people like that, how to deal so badly, and when it was good to live it was silent; wink
        By the way, I already wrote that it’s not urban and, unlike non-divergenes, I breathe evenly to everyone. wink
        By the way, there is such a proverb ancient ancient Uzbek, and so its essence is that an ungrateful dog will one day still go blind wink
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 19 March 2013 16: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Ali Baba
          By the way, there is such a proverb ancient ancient Uzbek, and so its essence is that an ungrateful dog will one day still go blind

          Very correct saying. So, take care of your sight, Dear.
      2. Igarr
        Igarr 19 March 2013 16: 42 New
        +2
        That pester, really ..
        \ Yes, he builds phrases - in Russian, not in Uzbek.
        He wrote somewhere in a post - he is from the TASSR. Got it - from Kazan, probably. Still, there are interesting turns, like there .. yes, white ..
        Provocateur.
        And then, no matter how worse - another preacher of Wahhabism. Or something like that.
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Igarr

          That pester, really ..
          \ Yes, he builds phrases - in Russian, not in Uzbek.
          He wrote somewhere in a post - he is from the TASSR. Got it - from Kazan, probably. Still, there are interesting turns, like there .. yes, white ..
          Provocateur.
          And then, no matter how worse - another preacher of Wahhabism. Or something like that.

          My God, as soon as they meet a competent Uzbek, at once it’s like a Tatar and not at all an Uzbek but a provocateur ... How funny it is when you see such narrow-minded people ... Man gururlanama Uzbek bogolimdan urtok bekobodlik emigrant ... wink
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 19 March 2013 19: 04 New
            0
            Yes to health, be proud and important and brag.
            There also ... mock .. there is a meaning.
            .
            And I am an emigrant from Tashkent, actually. I was born in Bekabad. There childhood has passed.
            ..
            If anyone knew - what Uzbeks I have met in life. One Radjabov is the director of the plant. The algorithm is worth what.
            Not a couple ...... ғururlanmoқ.
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 20 March 2013 10: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Igarr

              Yes to health, be proud and important and brag.
              There also ... mock .. there is a meaning.
              .
              And I am an emigrant from Tashkent, actually. I was born in Bekabad. Childhood passed there

              Arrogance far from me carries a mile away dear ... we don’t give a damn how much some people like to express themselves on the smaller brothers from the former union;) And so if you come from at least from Zhaslyk, by and large I don’t make a difference, but at the same time I do not hurry because of my narrow-mindedness, I draw conclusions that I communicate with a Tatar or a Wahhabi provocateur.
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 19 March 2013 18: 30 New
          +1
          - Objectivity for the sake of: a man appeared to be a native of Mountain Badakhshan,
      3. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 25 New
        0
        Quote: MasterMiga
        Who taught you such a pure Russian language?

        I read smart books, unlike some wink And so Urtok Termezlik Kelgindi sizga omad wa ok yul ... and even paradise safed mohonba dushmano honodonamoba darkor not wink
        1. hrych
          hrych 19 March 2013 17: 31 New
          +1
          Is it doggystyle?
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            Is it doggystyle?

            Well, you don’t have to know this is your native language almost wink
          2. UzRus
            UzRus 19 March 2013 17: 44 New
            +2
            No, grunt, not dog-like. Between emoticons, the first phrase is in Uzbek (a short translation is a friend from Termez, good luck and have a good trip), the second is in Tajik, or rather, it seems Farsi (I can’t translate, I don’t know).
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 57 New
              -1
              Quote: UzRus

              No, grunt, not dog-like. Between emoticons, the first phrase is in Uzbek (a short translation is a friend from Termez, good luck and have a good trip), the second is in Tajik, or rather, it seems Farsi (I can’t translate, I don’t know).

              Our dear Urtok Hrych knows everything perfectly and will give you a head start in the translation of these words, he is our great expert on Central Asia, thinking that he is one of those who lived when it was good and then washed off and don’t forget to hait everything and scold the type of such sausage American migrants 70s.
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 March 2013 18: 07 New
                +3
                Wow, so this is me being a migrant worker? Am I hai? No, a scoop can call his homeland only an abortion in person. And do not forget that the state of Uzbekistan owes its existence to the Soviet Union, Kakand khans if you have relatives, but only because of the earthing up of women slaves. Already in the history of your region, thank God, I understand and it’s not necessary to live with you, I myself said that books should be read.
                1. Ali Baba
                  Ali Baba 19 March 2013 18: 13 New
                  0
                  Hmm, I read, I read your comments, urts Hrych and I wonder if I definitely lift my spirits and yes, I accumulate material for Diser ... You are simply unique, so to speak, a human concentrate of all the chaotic and reactionally flawed, to be honest I am very pleased to communicate with you. The main thing I understand is that it turns out and this is found in the world :)
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 19 March 2013 18: 17 New
                    +1
                    Oh, we say from a height of intelligence, the diser was going to write, it’s better to write the diser or vyser, as by order of Karimov, the Uzbek women are secretly sterilized, otherwise your leader was concerned about the uncontrolled population growth.
                    1. Ali Baba
                      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 18: 21 New
                      0
                      Quote: hrych
                      Oh, we say from a height of intelligence, the diser was going to write, it’s better to write the diser or vyser, as by order of Karimov, the Uzbek women are secretly sterilized, otherwise your leader was concerned about the uncontrolled population growth.

                      Hmm, and you still write that we are degrading? By God, read your comments a little breathless ... and who else of us is a savage ... who has no culture and no education?
            2. hrych
              hrych 19 March 2013 19: 14 New
              +1
              UzRus, I beg your pardon, went too far. Because of the "scoop" freaked out.
  • MasterMiga
    MasterMiga 19 March 2013 15: 19 New
    +1
    and Tashkent as a nonresident from the villages belong ??? who do they consider them ??? how to write something abstruse ...
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 19 March 2013 16: 48 New
      +2
      Yes, he does not know. How to answer?
      This is his homework - "I got off" ten dogs. "(Chenogo's quote).
    2. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 16: 59 New
      0
      Quote: MasterMiga

      and Tashkent as a nonresident from the villages belong ??? who do they consider them ??? how to write something abstruse ...

      Well, first of all, smart things, my friend writes smart people in smart books, I can help you with a subscription to the nearest library ... And I think you shouldn’t tug on our internal relations such as whether you are a Muscovite or not a Muscovite ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 19 March 2013 15: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle
    Quote: ed65b
    The Uzbek people for the most part are very hospitable and hospitable

    There is a canteen in the basement of our office center. There is an Uzbek at the checkout. As they say in Odessa, a beauty I don’t know. If I weren’t Orthodox, I would have left everything for such a .....

    Why this passage?
  • saygon66
    saygon66 19 March 2013 16: 42 New
    +1
    laughing - It's strange ... An Uzbek born in Tajikistan, writing in Russian as a graduate of a metropolitan university, voicing a mixture of Soviet-style national patriotism and internationalism ... Gentlemen! We are someone dro..llit, gentlemen ..!
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 16: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: saygon66
      Strange ... An Uzbek born in Tajikistan, writing in Russian as a graduate of the capital's university, voicing a mixture of Soviet-style national patriotism and internationalism ...

      And what’s strange is that I’m from a family of hereditary military men, so my brothers and sisters were born in different remote garrison corners of Central Asia, but if you are surprised by the level of education, to your surprise, I can tell you that we are far from a bunch of Aboriginal people gathered on a piece of land called Uzbekistan wink
      Yes, another small plus sign we still raise a little differently ...
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 19 March 2013 17: 27 New
        0
        -Then I ask you to explain how such a highly educated and highly moral people allowed almost ethnic cleansing against the non-indigenous population? I saw the fruits of the education of your kind in Namangan: "Russians, don't leave, you are our white slaves!" - Are you not the author of the inscription ?!
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: saygon66
          -Then I ask you to explain how such a highly educated and highly moral people allowed almost ethnic cleansing against the non-indigenous population? I saw the fruits of the education of your kind in Namangan: "Russians, don't leave, you are our white slaves!" - Are you not the author of the inscription ?!

          Hmm ... maybe you can tell me why the ethnic pogroms were in Kondopoga? or maybe tell me why RNE and others like them kill and killed the wrong kind of eyes? Maybe this is so Pushkin, Yesenin or maybe even Mayakovsky inspired them?
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 March 2013 17: 40 New
            +2
            Exactly Pushkin, quote: "... Or cut off the head off the broad shoulders of the Tatar ...".
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 48 New
              -1
              Quote: hrych

              Like Pushkin, quote: "... Or cut off the head from the broad shoulders of the Tatar ..."

              Well, well, you have direct talent at your place. Hrych to quote classics, or do you have a training manual on hand where and how to troll on the site?
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 March 2013 18: 10 New
                +2
                Oh, am I the troll? And I thought you. A quote from "The Tale of the Dead Princess and the Seven Bogatyrs", read it, you know Russian.
          2. saygon66
            saygon66 19 March 2013 18: 26 New
            +2
            - Why not answer ... The events in Fergana, Karasu-Leninsk, Uzgen took place a little earlier than Kondopoga ... "Birlik" arose earlier than RNU and Kondopoga is already a consequence ... and then if a group of Russian migrants (!?) in Kokand or Andijan, she behaved the same way as migrants in Kondopoga, the consequences would not be too different! By the way, from my face I am also never an Aryan, but podizh, you are alive!
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 18: 31 New
              -1
              Quote: saygon66

              - Why not answer ... The events in Fergana, Karasu-Leninsk, Uzgen took place a little earlier than Kondopoga ... "Birlik" arose earlier than RNU and Kondopoga is already a consequence ... and then if a group of Russian migrants (!?) in Kokand or Andijan, she behaved the same way as migrants in Kondopoga, the consequences would not be too different! By the way, from my face I am also never an Aryan, but podizh, you are alive!

              Well, you see, dear, you yourself understand that no one is immune from kov in their ranks. No one is clean and sinless at all their skeletons in the closet. And if we begin to stir them up, neither you nor I will stay clean. Life is called life by that because there is no extremely white and extremely black in it. I have the honor ...
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 19 March 2013 19: 59 New
                0
                -I think we have a lot in common ... We were born in a family of military personnel, we love our country (whatever one may say, in Russia I am an emigrant) BUT! You live at home, and behind my house is now the border with Kyrgyzstan. my ancestors lived in Uzbekistan from the 1898 year, their graves are on the mazars from the Syr Darya and Buka to Tashkent. And I hardly ever manage to visit them (you, as a fellow countryman, understand how important this is), my father died on a foreign land for him. My relatives and friends were scattered to where ... How to understand and forgive all this? Hope to see you in the war ...
                1. Ali Baba
                  Ali Baba 20 March 2013 08: 19 New
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                  Quote: saygon66
                  Hope to see you in the war ...

                  Too much honor will be respected for you ... We DO NOT call you here, consider this ...
          3. fzr1000
            fzr1000 19 March 2013 20: 45 New
            0
            Are you dumb or pretending to be? What do you compare the eviction under pressure of the local population of thousands of Russian and Russian-speaking people who have lived there for decades in Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan, which was the state policy of the governments with the single killings that scumbags and Nazi marginals do. The pogrom in Kondopoga happened after one local group did not divide the sphere of influence with the group from the Caucasus. Do you think this is the same thing? Yes, you are not even a provocateur, you ...............
    2. cayber_bob
      cayber_bob 19 March 2013 17: 08 New
      0
      It is strange that the site, created not only about military power, politics and partly the economy of Russia, but also about the entire former USSR, does not recognize the person (Ali Baba) who, along with all the ensuing problems of Uzbekistan, praises and protects him.

      To be honest, in my opinion, precisely these blind patriots are lacking in the modern countries of the former USSR, it is the lack of patriotism in people that led to the collapse of the country, and it is the lack of patriotism that hinders the development of our historical ties.

      Any self-respecting person, at least, suggests where the threat will come from and who will help more. So, because of the whims of Uzbek officials, one does not have to pour all the dirt on the people.
      1. hrych
        hrych 19 March 2013 17: 34 New
        +3
        This insignificance, the country that gave him the diploma and the rudiments of culture, called him a savage and does not glorify his Uzbek Republic, but insults the Russians.
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 42 New
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          Quote: hrych
          This is nothing, the country that gave him the letter and the rudiments of culture

          This is still a question, dear Hrych, who gave culture and education to whom, but personally to me all this was given to me by my Motherland Uzbekistan wink but you apparently didn’t get either one or the other.
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 March 2013 17: 57 New
            +3
            I don’t need your respect. Kakandian khans of Genghisid origin have muzzled you, they have been their slaves for hundreds of years, if not for Skobelev. And about the scoop, see the statistics of infant mortality and you will not be mistaken. Then he reproached that the Russians went to feed you, so they enthusiastically drove you to raise medicine and education. I listened to an interview with an obstetrician-gynecologist about the Uzbek women giving birth to us, so the picture is not rosy. Your women are chronically ill with tuberculosis, skin diseases, etc. In general, the Russians have left, and cholera, tuberculosis, and the plague are not far off. At least tell me about prosperous Uzbekistan, but the normal state does not give birth to millions of hungry, sick raggers.
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 18: 01 New
              0
              Listening carefully to your tales of the Hrych urtoks, it’s very disgraceful for me to write on an interesting topic ... so I think you’ll throw me a little material; I’m a modest doctor, so to speak, specializing in mental upsets, especially in senile ones, but you are like Khrych.
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 March 2013 18: 20 New
                +3
                It was like a hereditary military man, now a psychiatrist, Baba, you’ve already decided.
                1. Ali Baba
                  Ali Baba 19 March 2013 18: 24 New
                  -1
                  Quote: hrych

                  It was like a hereditary military man, now a psychiatrist, Baba, you’ve already decided.

                  Well, you upset me, you are smart and carefully read everything. Urtok Hrych will be born into a family of hereditary military men; this is not the same as being a military man. We read carefully.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 19 March 2013 18: 40 New
                    +2
                    Clearly, Baba, interrupted the continuity.
  • Batkamahno
    Batkamahno 19 March 2013 16: 58 New
    +5
    Good day forum users) An interesting conversation is obtained. I must say many thanks to Ali Baba for such an interesting apposition. So the leadership of Uzbekistan would have scolded, would have regretted simple Uzbeks and that’s all. But no, it is not so simple. The hostility towards the Russian barbarians, who burst into villages and built schools, factories, hospitals, had accumulated. Against this background, it is worth recalling the first wave of migration. These were not the current guest workers, but immigrants from Russia. who lived in Soviet times in Uzbekistan, built factories, worked in engineering positions. and so they told interesting stories. How scary it was to let children out of the house, about the lawlessness which they created at workplaces, as they did their best to drive the Russians out. So here’s the question, since the free smell of freedom didn’t erase this hostility, maybe they’re all in .... let them do what they want, all the same, without us, they won’t be able to get out of the place where they are now.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: BatkaMahno
      I must say many thanks to Ali Baba for such an interesting apposition. So the leadership of Uzbekistan would have scolded, would have regretted simple Uzbeks and that’s all. But no, it’s not so simple

      Thank you for the flattering response and enrolling me in the ranks of the apposition. Even somehow I did not expect a word of ches.
      Well, as for everything else, I’ll say I simply and briefly blame my country for nothing ... so you first put things in order and after that you can criticize and people will reach you and keep NATO base near you screaming at Uzbek bad guys with NATO collaborate is pure hypocrisy.
    2. UzRus
      UzRus 19 March 2013 17: 25 New
      +2
      Old Man, it’s been scary for a while. And the ax was under the bed, to be honest. But this scum was engaged in individual scum, but not all the people. Normal themselves these freaks tamed, I myself was a witness. The people are not all like that! There are enough scum and tvay rei in every nation.
  • UzRus
    UzRus 19 March 2013 17: 18 New
    +1
    The discussion turned to personalities, as always, unfortunately ... On topics related to Uzbekistan, I wrote repeatedly and I will repeat myself: Russia's vague foreign policy towards Uzbekistan allowed the United States to get in. Even in spite of Andijan-2005, when the amers began their songs about human rights, the need to investigate the events, etc. After that, they lost the Karshi-Khanabad base. This is where Russia would gain a foothold! But something didn't work out somehow, or they thought that if Karimov came to Putin after Andijan, then everything would be OK. Ame-rams need to get out of Afghanistan faster and more calmly, and they forgave our Karimov both Andijan and the base, and lifted all sanctions, and began to aggressively mend relations. The result is on the face. Cho, Russia has not seen the re-strengthening of US influence in the region? Ameri-kos and to the Tajiks with the Kyrgyz became frequent. And Russia looks at how Uzbekistan is entering, then leaving the CSTO ...
  • Batkamahno
    Batkamahno 19 March 2013 17: 23 New
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    And who said that someone here dreams of HAIT Uzbekistan. The question is not whether the country is bad or not. They themselves wrote that every nation is worthy of its officials. Here's a more interesting topic. Let's say you live in a standard Soviet Khrushchev, enjoying life. Everything seems to be fine and neighbor Vasya seems to have stopped dumping garbage in the window and it seems that life is getting better. And then, from the second apartment, a neighbor suddenly begins to communicate with the hucksters. And the point of moonshine suddenly appeared, and he sold all the furniture and that looked, he would bring the terrorists, and how the hexogen was burning in the basement. Here, in fact, the "old women" have gathered here at the forum and are discussing. What .... this neighbor is doing. If Uzbekistan were somewhere far from the borders of Russia, then there would be no conversation, and so Neighbor, excuse me, we’ll cross the bones.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 31 New
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      Comrade Old Man Ibn Makhno (may I call you so in a shameful way if I apologize in advance) We alone and you do not have common borders on your own in 91 you sent us into free swimming so there is no need for neighbor claims. So to you and please take care of yourself first, and then wash the bones to us, and then you yourself with a mustache and louder than all yelling, keep a thief ....
      1. hrych
        hrych 19 March 2013 17: 42 New
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        Here's a tip: go to the hizbudtahrir site and sing the diferembes to your prophet, and we'll figure it out.
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 19 March 2013 17: 46 New
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          Quote: hrych

          Here's a tip: go to the hizbudtahrir site and sing the diferembes to your prophet, and we'll figure it out.

          What are you saying and who said that I’m singing diferembes to someone ... you are respected, so strive to push everything onto this track. I generally religion on the drum and leave your provocations to the schoolchildren of the Urts Hrych wink
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 March 2013 18: 12 New
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            I will consider Ali Baba and forty guest workers.
            1. Ali Baba
              Ali Baba 19 March 2013 18: 16 New
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              Quote: hrych

              I will consider Ali Baba and forty guest workers.

              By the way, Urty Khrych, and after all, a migrant worker is a man of labor, so in vain you decided so despicably high to recall them in vain ...
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 March 2013 18: 34 New
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                So the robber is a necessary profession. All professions needed; all professions are important.
      2. Batkamahno
        Batkamahno 19 March 2013 18: 28 New
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        Here we departed from the topic)))), Dear Ali Baba. The topic generally does not concern the internal structure of Uzbekistan, and especially the internal structure of Russia. Everyone has problems, I’m not afraid of the word. However, we are discussing specific acts of the leadership of Uzbekistan. And to your regret, we cannot rejoice at it on this forum (a bit of a different topic). In general, I will be very happy if everything in Glorious Uzbekistan becomes super buzzing. After all, then we will become a little calmer. And about the common borders, then excuse me. There should be more unnecessary obstacles to drug trafficking. And, unfortunately, Uzbekistan still enters the sphere of interests of Russia, it hurts a lot of joint problems.
        1. lav566
          lav566 19 March 2013 18: 46 New
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          I want to add. I turn to Ale Baba. Here I see an Uzbek in Moscow and, by golly,
          I don’t feel any hostility towards him. I am ready to treat you with respect,
          No, we have not left the topic. I see a threat to Russia in the fact that Karimov
          wags his ass in front of the USA. He doesn’t understand that this will end badly.
          for him and Uzbekistan? The United States has one task: to stir up trouble for Russia from the south. If the war starts, then Uzbekistan, which you sincerely love, will burn.
          Russia will remain, the United States is shed, as they shed in 2008 from South Ossetia,
          when Russian Ivan arrived there on a tank, they threw all their equipment.
          American blacks are shit warriors. Do you think about your country?
          The policy is yourselves, we ourselves fail.
  • lav566
    lav566 19 March 2013 18: 00 New
    +3
    You, dear, are constantly repeating here: we are on our own, you are on our own,
    we do not interfere with you, and you don’t interfere. ”But it doesn’t work that way.
    I am not going to criticize you for your lifestyle, etc.
    There are many questions that concern you and us. This is general security after all.
    I don’t care what’s happening in Honduras. But I don’t care what’s happening in Central Asia. What’s happening here is directly related to Russia's security.
    And it cannot but excite me. And how you live there is your own business.
    I'm not going to interfere here.
    Is the USA here what is needed? This does not concern their safety in any way.
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 19 March 2013 19: 17 New
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      lav566

      May I answer for him? Do not be offended?

      So let's - where were you with your current understanding in the 90s and 2000s? Have you forgotten the latest story? When Karimov proposed - and the confederation, and the joint army, and common citizenship - he was sent tries. And it was live, at a presidential press conference. Well, the guy was offended.

      In fact, a new generation has grown up in Russia = and the old one suffers from it = which confuses the Imperial with the Russian. The USSR is not Russia. It was completely a different education, a completely different mentality, etc. etc. God forbid, of course, that Russia will again become a center of attraction, but ... for this, I apologize, there are few modern realities. What Russia is proposing now is yesterday = in this it does not differ, by the way, from either the United States or China, for example = - dominance games, etc. etc.

      In Russia, there is still hope that here ... it is here that a new ideology and world order will be born. Phantom hope, but still ... still ...
      1. lav566
        lav566 19 March 2013 19: 57 New
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        I don’t know what they think in the Kremlin. It’s impossible to understand. They have a lot of words, few thoughts. Personally, I don’t think in terms of domination. I think that Russia
        danger from the south. And the countries of Central Asia are in danger.
        This should unite us in the development of a common approach.
        But the United States, which is thinking how to throw and bend everyone, is not the place there.
        There are many complaints about Putin in Russia, but he is very cautious and flexible in foreign policy. I think Central Asia can come to an agreement with him.
        For a politician, in general, he is still quite a young man and thinks
        very well. Maybe Karimov should take this chance?
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 19 March 2013 21: 03 New
          +1
          lav566

          Maybe Karimov should take this chance?


          Sorry, but i do not understand you. You have little information? Uzbekistan and Russia have - allied, bilateral treaty of 2005. Uzbekistan is interested in the CES. There is a joint air defense system of Russia and Uzbekistan. Our Minister of Defense is a member of the Council of Defense Ministers of the CIS. A bunch of Russian objects on the territory of Uzbekistan, air defense radars, command posts SPRN, antenna field for communication with the nuclear submarines, latitudinal station in Moidanak. As for the CSTO, it’s kind of been discussed already ... let's think about it ... a mess will begin (God forbid !!) between Armenia and Azerbaijan. What will Russia do in the framework of the CSTO? What do you want Uzbekistan to do in the framework of the CSTO? Climb the Mochilov brothers of the Armenians and the brothers Aizerbadazhans? So? You didn’t think about it, huh?

          Flirting with the USA ... hmm ... I don’t like this business of course, but in fact it’s precisely a business, and no more ... cut down the loot and scattered ...

          Dear, what can you talk about?
          1. lav566
            lav566 19 March 2013 21: 44 New
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            Russia, as I understand it, would like to see a reliable ally in Karimov.
            And his business, as you call it from the USA, is bothering Russia. What is incomprehensible here? The Americans will arrange an Arab spring there, and what will you do then? They know how to organize such things; Russia from the south has such a reluctance to have such a gift.
            The point is not the number of antenna fields, but the reliability of the relationship.
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 19 March 2013 22: 07 New
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              They know how to organize such things, Russia from the south to have such a gift reluctance


              This is hardly ... In the mid-90s, early 2000s, they tried to arrange it - it did not work. But the United States was then much stronger. Sorry, I can judge a little about this, I myself was in the mid-90s, in Tajikistan. I have come across some things ... They will not succeed in Uzbekistan. In Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, it can still burn out - not in Uzbekistan. Sorry, here the members of the forum staged a srachelnik, they break spears, and my friends "warriors" both studied and study in Russian Academies ... relation to the USSR - nichirna is not clear, there is silence everywhere, silence - but something is happening ... *) eh ...
      2. lav566
        lav566 19 March 2013 21: 21 New
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        Yes, I forgot to respond to your reminder of Karimov’s proposals in the 90s of Russia. Then there wasn’t a difficult internal political situation, the war in Chechnya with the shaitans, and so on.
        As for the USSR, Soviet communism emerged from the depths of the Russian worldview. The central idea of ​​communism is the development of man.
        USSR and sought to develop all. Our respected interlocutors
        it will be hard to argue that Central Asia in Soviet times
        stood out sharply from other Asian countries. Where else were so many scientists, academicians? Ali Baba will object again: but we want to live our own way.
        I sometimes discuss these issues with my acquaintances. Nobody thinks of them in the categories of dominance. But Russia has interests.
        so that the government would defend them. And relations with neighbors should be built
        on the principles of common interests. And here on the forum we seemed to agree that no one should be a cash cow for anyone.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 19 March 2013 21: 50 New
          +2
          lav566

          Ali Baba, here it is mainly expressed in the hearts. Plus to everything - he is a patriot of Uzbekistan, with his "cockroaches" in his head, no offense will be told to him. It's hard for me to be a patriot of Uzbekistan, individually, I have my own "cockroaches". I love all the countries of the former USSR. I love Uzbekistan, and Russia, and Belarus and Ukraine, and the Caucasus as a whole, and separately and Central Asia and Kazakhstan - and I do not accept any kicks on any of the above country. What to do, I grew up in garrisons, from the Far East to the westernmost borders of the VD countries. And he was born completely in Germany.

          It’s easy to say - he said, and zazdets. Then it is harder to explain, they say - "I didn't mean to say, I was misunderstood!"

          The main interest of Russia, how unfortunate it sounds, is survival. And nationalism in this survival is a poor helper. So you can agree to hatred between the Russian peoples - Russian, Tatars, Yakuts, Dagestanis, etc. etc. If you want to build something - do not break what is. Take care better. And sometimes to me, some of our members of the forum resemble bitchy women or peasants in the family, with a latent desire to tear everything up, ruin everything, the main thing is to tolerate it with a tongue like a broom ...

          Like that...
        2. de_monSher
          de_monSher 19 March 2013 22: 00 New
          +2
          lav566

          By the way, remember my words. From 3 to 5 years will pass, and Uzbekistan will remain the main ally in Central Asia for Russia. As it was already in the mid-90s. We "sorted it out" together in Tajikistan. Everything will return to normal. And it's not worth shas, ​​for some information stuffing, to spoil relations. Not worth it at all ... *)
          1. Cpa
            Cpa 20 March 2013 06: 21 New
            +1
            Cher, your words should be fairly applied to all nations. Hatred is born out of fear and misunderstanding of what is happening. Every nation is afraid to be used and humiliated. Stop looking back is all about you. Your comparison of Russians with Americans also speaks of your bias, compare the Chinese. Maybe this is our guide, it seems, then you should not generalize. And yes, I'm sure in five years we will be friends.
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 20 March 2013 17: 33 New
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              Cpa

              Oh oh oh...

              You still did not understand me ... I am somehow "worse" than you - I am a "man without a nation", a product of the USSR. I have already explained that I cannot be a patriot of a single country, do you understand? I'm trying to explain to you what a person who considers himself a patriot can feel about your words ... = shrugged his shoulders = ... something like this ... *)
          2. UzRus
            UzRus 20 March 2013 11: 53 New
            +1
            Everything will return to square one. - You are a plus! Ordinary people in Uzbekistan also think about it.
  • lav566
    lav566 19 March 2013 19: 06 New
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    Ali Baba! Aw! I would like to hear your opinion.
    Probably the working day is over.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 20 March 2013 08: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: lav566

      Ali Baba! Aw! I would like to hear your opinion.
      Probably the working day is over.

      You are right, I retired, so to speak, since it was already a night in the yard :) Cher is in many ways very right. Islam Obduganievich was the initiator of many integration processes, and blaming the fact that the situation in the 90s was not the same was simply incorrect; now you want the same but with your own bell tower, but alas, the times are different now. But in fact, if you take it against transit through Uz. so let's close your NATO transit first and I will tell you they will get out of here. Do you think much further from Uz. cargo and equipment will go? Here it is through you and further to the geyropu. This is a business and you yourself play the violin prima and not us. Therefore, I wrote earlier to deal with problems and officials at home, and then show us something.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 20 March 2013 20: 18 New
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        Ali Baba

        By the way, dear. Nevertheless, I must note that your argument about "drunken Russians" has no basis at all - I see and have seen here most often, lately, benevolent, calm and not drinking Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. And I managed to travel a lot over the past 4 years, I can assure you.

        Rather, now we can talk about the drunken Uzbek outback - when I cross with many immigrants from Uzbekistan, just talk, help, it turns out 50 to 50 - every second, tear, drunk, shit. Your attack on this issue is no longer like an argument, but an attempt to offend the nation, and baselessly. Not good.

        The much worse vice of modern Russia is still mercantilism. BUT all CIS countries suffer from this, for example, you are, in fact, a vivid representative of the philosophy of mercantilism. At the same time, you and your opponents do not even want to catch that mercantilism is not even the 19th century, but the 16th and 18th centuries.

        When you talk about the benefits of Uzbekistan's isolationism, and relations with everyone from the point of view of mercantilism, I am sad and funny - very quickly both from the economy and the culture of Uzbekistan, in this case, there will be no stone unturned. A paragraph about immigrants from Uzbekistan can serve as an illustration for these words of mine. And when your opponents argue about "slavery" in Uzbekistan, it makes me even sadder and funnier - slavery "blooms and smells" in Russia and Kazakhstan. How many times have I come across this. Moreover, again I can state the fact - the whole point is in the archaization of relations, and here it is not in Uzbekistan but in Russia.

        Look something like this ...
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba 22 March 2013 08: 57 New
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          Quote: de_monSher
          article, dear. Nevertheless, I must note that your argument about "drunken Russians" has no basis at all - I see and have seen here most often, lately, benevolent, calm and not drinking Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. And I managed to travel a lot over the past 4 years, I can assure you.

          Cher comrade is a simple analogy and stereotypes like the fact that everyone smokes opium and travels on a cart :) I know perfectly well what ...
          By the way, no one is a supporter of isolationism at all, we are supporters of equal partnership dialogue, no less than other relationships are unacceptable times of a big brother and center in the past want normal relations, kindly no longer have a scoop at the partner table and you can write decrees for yourself ...
          something like that and yes I’m mercantile, but only when it comes to the interests of my Motherland and you don’t understand the feelings of the Motherland, the feelings of the earth, and this is a pity.
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher 22 March 2013 15: 37 New
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            Ali Baba

            something like that and yes I’m mercantile, but only when it comes to the interests of my Motherland and you don’t understand the feelings of the Motherland, the feelings of the earth, and this is a pity.


            Yes ... here you are right. But you can't understand the sense of community and belonging, which is what really is - "imperial arrogance" ... *)
          2. sergius60
            sergius60 26 March 2013 00: 34 New
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            Ay, dear, so big, but you believe in fairy tales. "the partner table scoop is gone" - that's right. But to hope that in the BIG world around live "herbivores, white and fluffy" !!! fellow I haven't seen such super-duper optimism for several years. Respect! Of course, the amers will first think about the interests of their Asian "brothers". After all, everyone knows the eternal Jewish, pah-you, amer's generosity! wink
  • saygon66
    saygon66 19 March 2013 19: 47 New
    +2
    - What can be said at the conclusion of the conversation .... The whole history of the countries liberated from the protection of the metropolises clearly shows what the future awaits the countries of Central Asia. just take a look: Angola, Algeria, Mozambique, Syria and much, much more ... Potentially rich countries are torn by tribal conflicts, a crisis of the national economy. The governments of these countries will endlessly rush from one force to another. Therefore: you need to be stronger, richer, more cunning and ... And everyone will reach us ....
  • knn54
    knn54 19 March 2013 19: 49 New
    +1
    Ali Baba. 1990 (91?) And as for the water, it would be better to use the capabilities of Sarez Lake with the Tajiks, and not mine the common border.
    But again vague doubts torment me, this time about specialists and money.
    PS..a cotton we didn’t need a monoculture, but the center demanded that comrade Cotton is the main export culture of agriculture in Uzbekistan, brings one billion US dollars to the country's budget and therefore: everyone’s place in the field ... or do you disagree?
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 20 March 2013 11: 51 New
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      therefore: everyone’s place in the field ... or do you disagree? - I disagree.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 20 March 2013 12: 55 New
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        Quote: UzRus
        therefore: everyone’s place in the field ... or do you disagree? - I disagree.

        And for the boyar of the neo-colonialist (at least he thinks so of himself), my consent to anything he lives in his illusory world where, in his opinion, all the brightest plow on them and they spit so high on everyone and give directions from the center. .. about dreams of dreams ... by the way, it is harmful to dream like that ... as a doctor I write wink
  • Black
    Black 19 March 2013 20: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Ali Baba
    Quote: Chen
    Ali Baba from the ideological department. "Got off" ten dogs. "

    The time will come to grow just such a generation as I and people similar to me who will love Uzbekistan and appreciate it. We honor worldly values ​​and do not die out. We will become more and more ... what do you think geyrops have a future? or those who have lost the desire to live peoples for whom to give birth in scrap?


    I think no one is against it! May God grant prosperity to your homeland. Love and holt her.
    The news of the imminent death of Geyropa, I think, is greatly exaggerated. There are problems. - And where are they not? But the inflated problem of same-sex marriage is not the main or even secondary in a number of problems.
    About unwillingness to give birth is a common problem of post-industrial societies, and you will not pass by.
    Just say that the years in the USSR are the years of colonial oppression, sorry, this is a diagnosis, at least amnesia.
  • amp
    amp 19 March 2013 23: 08 New
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    It is still possible to try to return Uzbekistan to the previous system of regional balance of power

    I think everyone has already understood how to threaten to reduce quotas to 0 for migrants from Uzbekistan.
    1. cayber_bob
      cayber_bob 20 March 2013 11: 14 New
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      Quote: amp

      It is still possible to try to return Uzbekistan to the previous system of regional balance of power

      I think everyone has already understood how to threaten to reduce quotas to 0 for migrants from Uzbekistan.


      This is not an option for Russia, since reducing or closing quotas for Uzbekistan will lead to a chain reaction and subconsciously all other peoples will feel awkward. This circumstance will lead to the search for new places / countries to earn money, and this Russia will only move away from the peoples, namely the peoples, and not governments, countries of the former USSR.

      Currently, the GDP understands that the people of the countries of the former USSR, incl. Uzbekistan has not yet completely moved away from the past and the GDP is actively promoting the construction of all the lost "bridges".
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 20 March 2013 16: 01 New
    +4
    For Ali Babaev, Erazov and other Bayes
    There is such a geopolitical expression "Country-Buttons".
    These are countries that can hang like buttons on different costumes, jackets, tunics ...
    The main problem for such countries is that they can only be sewn to some subject, but NEVER can be INDEPENDENT.
    In Europe, the button countries are the Baltic countries, Romania with Bulgaria, Hungary with the Czech Republic and Slovakia, etc.
    Dear comrade-bai Karimov "jumps" like a flea from one uniform to another, pulling his country and his people with him.
    It is a pity both the country and the people.
    PS The "Uzbek case" at one time thundered throughout the former USSR.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 20 March 2013 17: 09 New
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      comrade, you better darn your little dusty yes holey jacket-tunic plus a tunic and don’t open your mouth to other people's buttons and feel sorry for yourself right now begin yourself we don’t need your pity and we won’t feel sorry for you as we did in the 30s and 40s ...
      Yes, and with what to poke around in our affairs for their corruption officials would follow go go for a walk with Serdyukov and co. he will tell you a lot of things how and where to take and sell
  • builder74
    builder74 26 March 2013 02: 46 New
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    We had a great country, the USSR! There were real, noble goals and tasks. They strove for the UNITY of Soviet people, regardless of nationality. But by the 80s, everything was emasculated! And then there's the "tagged" one ...
    For 20 years, we, the residents of the former fraternal republics, have turned into embittered neighbors in the communal kitchen! It will still bring us all a lot of problems and troubles.