Turkey's gain, the costs of which Ankara will seek to shift onto Russia

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Turkey's gain, the costs of which Ankara will seek to shift onto Russia

The collapse of the Syrian state brought a lot of joy to the Turkish elites and personally to the President of Turkey R. Erdogan. After all, it is not every year that he gets a chance to so convincingly demonstrate the victory of the ideas of neo-Ottomanism. The past week essentially closed the question of R. Erdogan's promises to the electorate, and not only to the core of his permanent supporters, but even to skeptics and critics.

The second beneficiary is Israel. The bloody epic in the Gaza Strip has not yet ended, the hostages have not been returned, B. Netanyahu has not achieved a clear victory in Lebanon - it took a lot of effort to convince the Israeli Prime Minister of the opposite. But Syria has almost written off all the mistakes and problems.



Now everything can be presented as the result of "clever plans", and as a New Year's gift to society, B. Netanyahu has not just the Golan Heights, but the entire Syrian province of Quneitra. And there is no need to sort things out in the UN regarding this province - no one will really ask Israel to leave there.

A win that wasn't planned


The benefits and gains are obvious, but there are nuances everywhere. In this case, the nuance is that neither Israel nor Turkey were prepared for such direct proximity in Syria. Both players discussed their role in Lebanon for a long time, and for R. Erdogan, one of the main goals in Syria itself was the northern territories and specifically the city of Aleppo.

The gift of fate for each of these players may turn out to be a heavy burden, as well as a chance to redraw the map of the region.

It is interesting to read today that the Syrians are so tired of the extortions of the "tyrant Assad" that they looked at life in neighboring Idlib as an example of something good. In any case, the Syrians will now have something to compare.

If funding really did go to his territories, where R. Erdogan’s proxy forces lived “on payroll,” then in Idlib it was specifically the Turkmen settlements that laid claim to it (and even received it).

HTS (banned in Russia), which controlled Idlib and usually did not allow Erdogan's men on payroll there, was engaged in direct extortion, imposing a "tax" on all trade and even transit of goods.

In fact, this whole "hodgepodge", generously seasoned with people from Central Asia, North Africa, Sudan and Iraq, cooperated there with different goals, except one - to work. Their task was to fight and pray, the Syrians themselves were supposed to work.

So, everything will soon be very ambiguous with the "tyrant's extortions". How all these formations once plundered the city of Aleppo and its environs "to the last scrap of iron", how they also plundered the Afrin canton, is no longer remembered.

Ankara had no illusions about them; according to the original plan, they were supposed to be sponsored by the Arabs, who, however, got tired of this five years ago.

There was only one way to turn this burden, which was demanding more and more from the Turks, into a benefit: to utilize it in such a way that more territory could be taken on its shoulders. The city of Aleppo was an ideal target here, given previous experience.

This limited nature of Turkey's goals can be seen quite well through the force and resources that Ankara kept in the border area during the campaign on Aleppo, which turned into a campaign on Damascus. Israel also did not transfer serious resources to the Golan Heights, and this was logical - protests in Daraa were expected, occupying the entire Golan Heights was realistic, but Israel did not make plans for Quneitra and part of the Damascus province, otherwise they would have concentrated their forces fully. And stopping the finishing off of Hezbollah at such a moment would not have been the most far-sighted decision.

Israel's situation is much better than Turkey's. Sooner or later, Israel will stop and continue doing its favorite thing - watching Turkey get bogged down in economic problems and breaking away the Druze from Syria. At the same time, Israel will strengthen its traditional partner - Iraqi Kurdistan, which will become a refuge for the Kurdish population from some part of the northern territories, and will also find its own ways to support the anarchists from the Federation of Northern Syria. Here, Israel will work cooperatively with the United States.

Well, in the meantime, Israel is taking advantage of the opportunity to wipe out the main military infrastructure of Syria, and here the fate of the Bastion missile systems is interesting; they would be useful in Russia now.

Türkiye will move from the “Ottoman greatness” agenda to realism quite quickly


Iran has been investing in the Syrian economy for a long time. An objective assessment of its annual participation, converted into money for commodity deliveries, is around $5 billion. Moscow made targeted investments (although sometimes large ones, such as the restoration of Aleppo), but Russia had other tasks in that triumvirate.

It should be taken into account that Iran did not have control over Idlib, the entire north of Syria, which was controlled by Ankara itself, as well as the northeast and the Euphrates region - this region supported itself.

These 5 billion dollars were absolutely insufficient. Now the thesis that B. Assad took all the money from the people is still popular. But by and large there was nothing to take, and it was still unrealistic to ensure the restoration of the country with these 5 billion dollars a year.

Turkey is now sending more than 3,5 million people to Syria (there is a direct advertisement about returning to their native shores). And the advertisement is clear - Turkey was forced to carry them on its own. Only this "carrying", as everywhere, had its own nuance - EU sponsorship funds, in fact, ransom payments.

The EU itself is preparing to send home most of the Syrians, hoping to reduce expenses. This is another 1,5-1,8 million people. Jordan (+-600 thousand), Lebanon (almost 1 million) will send people home. In a "head-on" calculation, without frills, 5 billion dollars will have to be added to the 3,3 billion Iranian. At the same time, Iran, naturally, will not contribute the previous 5 more to the economy. In reality, this is far from 3,3 billion.

Will the EU now pay "ransoms" (about $1,2 billion per year) to Turkey? In the old version, no, and new versions will have to be negotiated. There will also be no humanitarian supplies, including Iranian oil and oil products to Syria.

Syria formally has its own oil, there are even rumors that it is potentially "a lot." But for this, the new Syrian government needs to take this oil not even from the Kurdish-Arab SDF of Zaefratiya, but from the United States.

If we remove from the analysis various mythical figures on Syrian oil, the reality is quite modest. Even those 2,2-2,6 million tons, which are still being extracted in Zaefratiya and in the north-east of Syria, were partly sold to Damascus (with Iranian money), and partly went to Iraq for Turkey.

But they just provided for the Federation of Northern Syria (autonomy). And this is taking into account that the Kurdish cantons are in the agricultural zone and can provide additional goods for sale, and they also have access to generation on the Euphrates River, which provided a good saving. If there is no "humanitarian oil", then what will even 2,6 million tons give on a scale that will go strictly for domestic needs?

Of course, you can feed the people. stories about the arrival of investors and future oil prosperity without the "corrupt Assad", but even in the pre-war years, the maximum that Syria could send for export was almost the same 3 million tons of oil, and the remaining 12-15 million tons went to domestic consumption for the entire country. Now it is hardly possible to even restore these volumes, let alone increase them.

There have been breakthroughs in production volumes in the past, but investors have not sought to consolidate them. The complexity of production on a scale suitable for international trade was summed up in calculations with recoverable reserves - 220-225 million tons, with a maximum of up to 360 million tons with the hypothetical introduction of technologies.

Investors were therefore not particularly eager to come to Syria. There was a fight for Syrian oil, but it was never fundamental. There was simply not enough raw material for long-term investment, the concession was unprofitable, since everything would go to the domestic market, and there was nothing for an external investor to take away.

In fact, Syria was being bailed out by foreign money not by exported oil, but by the phosphate trade, where it occupied a 7% share of the overall market with an income of $3,7 billion per year. After the end of the hot phase of the war, this share fell to 1,1%, and the income to $0,6 billion, which is very meager given the problems in the country.

B. Assad fled and freedom triumphed, but have the initial figures on oil reserves changed? Not at all. But now who and how will provide guarantees to investors in the oil sector, the "valuable specialists" from Idlib and Julani himself? And the phosphates still need to be mined and sold.

The irony of fate is that Julani and Co. should now actually think about how to persuade Qatar to lay the famous "gas pipeline to the EU". At least this is some money for transit.

Black Hole and Turkey's Ball Flip


If in 2025 the Ukrainian knot is somehow actually untied or (more realistically) weakened, then the EU and the US can find the funds to support Syria for 2-3 years.

Up to $20 billion a year is not an expense that would break the West if direct spending on Ukraine were to be cut. However, what would be Turkey's share here?

Ankara's partners won't allocate funds to a personal Turkish fund for the restoration of Syria. The Arabs won't work in tandem with Ankara, with the exception of Qatar, but Turkey already pours money into its economy every year at Doha's expense, and now, together with Great Britain, has also persuaded Qatar to invest in Central Asia.

What is now in place of Syria, the players will throw to each other like a ping-pong ball and finish the serve in Ankara.

Turkey will simply be given the main burden of expenses and will watch with interest the Turkish attempts to govern the new "Syrian vilayet" of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey will ultimately try to concentrate its efforts on the original plan - control of northern Syria and further attempts to capture the Kurdish cantons, i.e. to lighten the burden.

Formally, there are funds for a Syrian “Marshall Plan”, but in reality, the entire history of recent years shows that Syria is becoming a giant black hole, before which even problematic Afghanistan will pale.

The Taliban (banned in Russia) are locals, albeit with regional and ethnic specifics, while HTS are outsiders who will demand money, places, a share in the "feeding" system. And now Ankara has nowhere to dispose of them, essentially, only to throw them at Israel or pro-American Kurds - both options are fraught for Turkey.

Most likely, as historical experience shows again, those who will not have enough to feed (and there are many of them) will be engaged in the production and transit of drugs, especially since it is now completely unclear how the Syrian ports will be managed and by whom. Such depths of "grace" are opening up there that it is difficult to imagine.

B. Assad and Hezbollah were loved by European and American media to be labeled as "production of Captagon", which was produced right under the roof of the Americans in their zone of control. Now this sphere will expand to the size of central Syria and with uncontrolled ports.

It is clear that Turkey was counting on growing its territories, “pumping up its ideology” at the expense of these territories, disposing of foreign radicals, and leaving the economy to Iran and B. Assad as before. The latter was forced to negotiate on new terms.

A good plan, but it dissolved in a week, and a pulsating black hole formed that would suck all the notorious regional stability into it. Everything would boil and splash there, like in a mud volcano.

The current Syrian “black hole” problem now has no solution in principle.

The revolutionary leadership will hold back the intensity of radical madness for now (for political purposes for the US and the EU), although it will still break through, and footage of soldiers hanged, shot even in hospitals, officers “committing suicide”, murdered scientists, ideologists, and politicians will appear online regularly.

And the more of them there are, the more actively the population will wave new flags, trample the statues of “tyrants” in front of cameras, and also accuse them of all conceivable sins, even original sin.

Western media will (naturally) try not to notice this, but investors do not watch these media. Although they will demonstrate various investment memoranda "for the sake of politics", they will not invest real money there.

The situation in Syria is much worse than that of the Taliban (banned in Russia), which has a base investor (China) and into which external players are extremely selective. Here, everything is the other way around - there are no base investors, but all external players work as internal players.

As a result, we will very quickly see a metamorphosis in which Turkey will try to push off the Syrian legacy, while at the same time presenting it as if it alone is responsible for it before the world.

And everyone else will try to prevent this from happening to Turkey. and pull it deeper and deeper into the Syrian swamp.

Israel will watch with interest, simultaneously giving a hand to the Kurds and separating the Druze from Syria, while the United States will gain the most in terms of political potential, as they can stoke this human “furnace” practically at their own discretion – the United States now has many options.

What does this mean for Russia?


The reason for our, specifically Russian, failure in the Syrian mission lies in the gaps in methodology and weak skills of work, which in the old-fashioned way can be called the search for ways to fuse “pragmatic colonialism” and “pragmatic union.” The issue here is not the negative connotation of the term, but the essence.

It is precisely the analysis of methods that allows us to say that in the described situation, regional and larger players will try not to push Russia out of the negotiation process in Syria, but, on the contrary, to lure us into it.

Türkiye will play the first fiddle here, and the bait will be made in an oriental attractive way. They will try to literally hook Russia on the status of a "global player".

Playing negotiator in this black hole will mean one thing - a part (and not a small part) of the problems will be pinned on us, and there will be no result. The lack of result will again be pinned on a third-party negotiator. And this will mean that we will be asked for specific compensation in another place, which was not even discussed initially.

Therefore, Russia should under no circumstances enter into negotiations on a “new Syria” and similar “formats”.

Unfortunately, there are some clues for us here, since we can be promised the lease of military bases (for money, of course). The new government will not refuse money, and we seem to need these bases to supply Africa. And it seems we can close our eyes to the fact that these bases do not provide any control, but there is a transit and supply point.

"Transit to Africa" ​​and "the status of a geopolitical arbiter" are a strong bait for us and, on the surface, a very juicy fruit against the backdrop of the current failure. Our media will also take it, since it outweighs the failure and provides news. What can we say if headlines like "Syrian opposition executes Bashar al-Assad's brother in the square" are already in circulation. Allegedly, for "blood ties" and crimes against "those who disagree with the regime." And they also executed a professor of organic chemistry, Assad's nephew, a theologian, and soldiers in hospital beds. The opposition has only just begun its "revolutionary purges" there. Have they taken the right path? However, even Iran is providing information support here in a very entertaining way.

The fruit looks good, but it is not advisable to take it in your hands. Simply because Turkey will invite us to this game, and since the real referee will be the USA, then in the end we will involuntarily have to play on Turkey's side, and then accept part of all the problems from Turkey's work in Syria.

Unfortunately, in Ankara they have studied us well and know many design hooks that can be used to catch such a big fish as us.

Realistic assessments suggest that without political and military control over the provinces of Latakia and Tartus, maintaining military bases and participating in a political settlement will only bring problems, not solutions. No matter how difficult it is to supply Africa through Libya and Algeria, this is the path that will have to be taken.

The heaviest stone that the Syrian hole will throw in our direction will be those very radicals who sooner or later will cross the path of all players.

They will be against even Turkey, not to mention the new government of "Syrian democrats". They will not be able to liquidate them, sending them against American interests and Israel is fraught with danger? What remains is to send them towards Russia.

If the CSTO is needed for anything, it is for a situation like this. We need to squeeze everything out of military cooperation and control the flow of people from the south so as to nip any attempts at lobbying in the bud in the bud in the migration sphere. A regime of enhanced verification, similar to the visa one, albeit temporary, is a minimal solution. There is no worse contingent in the world than the one raging in the radical groups in Syria. Just as there is no human description of who they are.

If it is impossible for us to resolve the migration issue even with such a threat, then perhaps it would be easier to pay these “creatures” money so that they go to Europe.

The next issue, about which there is no visible discussion yet, is Russia's relations with the political part of what is now called Syria.

The bulk of Syrian politicians have pledged allegiance to the "revolution" and are now pouring water on the former leader like from a sewer bucket. They are not saving their lives, but their careers, which will now be linked to anyone but Russia or even Iran. And these people will do absolutely everything for the West.

The flag over the Syrian embassy in Russia has been replaced. It seems to be a sovereign matter, but what does Ambassador Bashar Jafari say about it?

"The collapse of a corrupt system in a matter of days demonstrates its unpopularity and lack of support both in society and in the ranks of the army and the armed forces, and the escape of the head of this system in a shameful and humiliating manner under the cover of night without any sense of national responsibility confirms the need for change and awakens hope for a better future."

And who was part (and a significant one) of this system for so many years and to whom does Mr. Jafari owe his long career and his seat in the UN? Not the worst seat, to put it mildly. He served under B. Assad's father and, like an eagle, spoke from high tribunes against those to whom he so obsequiously swore allegiance today. But is he the only such "hidden fighter for the people" under a terrible tyrant? There will be many, many such changes of shoes, since even M. Assad's wife (B. Assad's younger brother) has updated her wardrobe.

It would be a good idea to think about what political contingent Russia will now have to work with in terms of Syria. Traditionally, this will be interpreted differently here - as a valuable, proven supplier of information in a valuable area. But in essence, this is a direct Western agent, dangerous also because previously, as an ally, it was allowed in where others do not go, and information will be supplied there in both directions. And this would only be an ethical side of the issue, if not for the threats described above. We no longer need this valuable geopolitical area, and our participation must now be excluded from the Syrian formula. The time for other decisions will come later.
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  1. + 20
    13 December 2024 04: 30
    Well, with the current approach of the Russian authorities to the migration issue, the West's final solution to the "Russian question" is a matter of time. Considering all the evil spirits that have nothing to do in Syria, it's not a matter of the distant future...
    As for our bases, that's it, they are hostages on enemy territory, because we can't trust the agreements with Turkey, the West and others... And these bases can't be any kind of transit bases, because the straits are now effectively closed to Russia.
    1. +1
      13 December 2024 05: 39
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      believe in the deals with Turkey

      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The straits are now effectively closed to Russia.
      And this could just be the topic of a deal with Turkey. Especially since a deal is expected soon on what is still called "Ukraine" (and what kind is a completely different topic, unrelated to this one).
      1. + 11
        13 December 2024 05: 42
        Quote: Nagan
        And this could just become the topic of a deal with Turkey.

        Why not, it could. But the deals with the Turks... see above. hi
        1. +1
          13 December 2024 05: 47
          Of course, in small matters they only look at how to screw over their partner. That's their nature. But in the largest (Montreux Convention) they adhere to the spirit and letter. They didn't let the Germans in in the 1940s, nor are NATO fleets helping Banderastan now.
          1. + 10
            13 December 2024 05: 58
            Quote: Nagan
            But according to the largest one (the Montreux Convention), they adhere to the spirit and letter. They did not let the Germans through in the 1940s, nor do NATO fleets come to help Banderastan now.
            There is a nuance.
            In case of Turkey's participation in the war, and also if Türkiye considers that it is directly threatened by war, it is given the right to permit or prohibit the passage of any military vessels through the straits.
            The military actions in Syria against our bases could easily fit this definition, I think. In addition, there is something else: the aviation at these bases without a significant front line, and there certainly won't be one, is too vulnerable to "random" attacks, and we don't have aircraft carriers to provide air support for our contingent.
    2. +5
      13 December 2024 09: 47
      - lies in gaps in methodology and weak work skills,
      It seems that the last competent orientalist (and not a seer) was V.V. Zhirinovsky.
      Mikhail, for the article PLUS, thank you.
  2. +6
    13 December 2024 05: 27
    What political contingent will Russia now have to work with in terms of Syria?
    With the bogeymen, when their euphoria from victory wears off, and there is no one else to go with. Or rather, with the force that wins the civil war. And it will unfold soon.
    1. +4
      13 December 2024 09: 11
      Quote: parusnik
      With the Barmaleys, when their euphoria from victory wears off

      Only now they will dictate the terms. Before, Assad was a puppet, but now everything can change.

      We would like to get out of there as soon as possible. If they let us.
      1. +3
        13 December 2024 09: 49
        Quote: Stas157
        We would like to get out of there as soon as possible. If they let us.

        Yes, only wrong decisions in Moscow itself can prevent them from leaving. The Barmaleys can be reined in so that they do not interfere with the withdrawal - at least with guarantees that they will NOT be attacked with missiles...
      2. +2
        13 December 2024 15: 30
        It is not clear with whom, yet... with the bandits, obviously, but with those who win the civil war, and it will happen.
  3. +6
    13 December 2024 05: 45
    We no longer need this valuable geopolitical area, and our participation must now be excluded from the Syrian formula.
    Quite reasonable, but
    "Transit to Africa" ​​and "the status of a geopolitical arbiter" are strong bait for us and, on the surface, very juicy fruit against the backdrop of the current failure. Our media will also take it, since it outweighs the failure and provides news.

    I rarely agree with the author, but this article is a plus.

    It would be good to "wish good luck to all parties to the "peace settlement" in Syria" and let them have fun there as they wish.
    But alas, we will continue to help our “brotherly nations” for a long time.
    1. +5
      13 December 2024 13: 36
      Africa is a complicated issue. We can't handle it, we are not the USSR for a long time. It is like a "suitcase without a handle" for us, we got into it too early. There is no help from there and never has been. The Supreme Commander apparently has some plans, but we don't know them and they are unlikely to be voiced. After Syria, we can now expect a "slap in the face" from the "masters of the world" there too.
      1. +5
        13 December 2024 15: 05
        The issue with Africa is complicated. We can't handle it.
        There is no need to drag anyone out. The USSR is no longer "us" and there is no need to repeat the mistakes of the USSR.

        There is simple math: expenses for "pulling" and income from grateful subjects.
        If the income consists of "writing off ____ billion dollars to Africa"; "planting trees on Friendship Alley" and other useless crap, like "wiping the hegemon's nose" - then such projects should be abandoned.
        If the income consists of profitable deals, then go to the budget, please.
        And let the rest be told by the humanitarian aid traders and diamond/gold businessmen, etc., who are “a little short.”
  4. +5
    13 December 2024 05: 51
    The second beneficiary is Israel
    Why is Israel the beneficiary? Well, they removed the hated Assad, but who will replace him? I suspect that he is not a democrat at all, ready to die for universal human values. And for Turkey, being neighbors with frostbitten bearded men, unless, of course, they take power in Syria, will not be very good. I remember Comrade Mao saying that "the rifle gives birth to power", so soon we will see who it gave birth to there.
    1. 2al
      +4
      13 December 2024 12: 56
      I have no doubt that Israel will select a set of bombs for the triumph of democracy in Syria. But after the "non-democrats" cut out the Alawites and free the coastal territory and the adjacent shelf from "bloody tyranny" and Israel from the potential threat of the restoration of Syria. The territory will be populated, for example, by accidentally surviving Christians and Kurds from Aleppo who will be more than loyal to Israel and under the protection of its bases.
    2. +1
      13 December 2024 15: 45
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      for Turkey, the neighborhood with frostbitten bearded men

      Well, these bearded men are their brainchild.
    3. 0
      13 December 2024 22: 10
      What the hell is the beneficiary? What did he gain? ISIS on his borders? These are not Syrians, these will drink their blood so much that it will make your mother cry.
    4. 0
      14 December 2024 16: 21
      It seems to me that one should not expect any normal policy from the authorities in pickup trucks with black flags. From this point of view, Afghanistan looks much more "civilized" than a gathering of mercenaries and other incomprehensible rabble.
      All that the countries of "victorious radicalism" are capable of is running around in slippers with "Kalashnikovs" and pretending to be "holy war".
      Compared to the so-called Syrian opposition, Makhnovist gangs are a model of organization and order.
  5. +8
    13 December 2024 06: 19
    It seems we had a choice - either to bomb the bogeymen in Syria together with Iran again, or to enter into a deal with our "Turkish friend"... With all the ensuing consequences for us.
    Still, you have to be a "very brave" person to "trust" a Turk.
    We have already "put our eggs in the Turk's vice" - this includes the construction of the nuclear power plant and the gas pipeline. The Turk periodically "tightens the vice" to get "goodies" for himself.
    But what if the Turk “gets an appetite” and demands something more in exchange for the “security” of our bases?
    1. +6
      13 December 2024 09: 24
      Quote: Vladimir M
      But what if the Turk “gets an appetite” and demands something more in exchange for the “security” of our bases?

      The security of our bases is now taking on a new meaning. If earlier everyone looked at them as a military force capable of changing the balance of power in the region, now they are more like a prize.
      1. +4
        13 December 2024 09: 34
        I really don't want it to turn out that our "grandmaster" in Syria got hit on the head with a "chessboard"...
        The risks are too great for Russia itself.
        With Syria, it won't be possible to be "a little bit pregnant" - it's "all or nothing" there.
      2. +3
        13 December 2024 12: 21
        Don't be afraid, the Jews won't let anyone take this prize, if ours leave, they'll simply destroy everything.
        1. 2al
          0
          13 December 2024 13: 00
          Latakia is the original territory of Herod's kingdom, so it is unlikely that Israel will refuse to return its original territories to its homeland. It is even possible that it will hold a referendum. fellow
  6. -5
    13 December 2024 06: 24
    and I would not call the results of what has just happened in Syria a failure for Russia. It will be a failure if the new Syrian authorities tell Russia to remove Russian military bases from Syria. If we assume that Russia's foreign and military intelligence services are catching mice, then such behavior by Bashar al-Assad's army should not have come as a surprise to the Russian supreme power. With Assad's weak Faberge statesman, events like what just happened could have happened in Syria every day. I repeat, if the new Syrian authorities restore order there and deem the presence of Russian bases in Syria necessary, then Russia has nothing to lose in Syria now. Well, if we are really being fantastic, then we can even assume that Russian intelligence services are so good at catching mice that they, together with Turkey, initiated the final division of Syria... But this is in the realm of fantasy, since Israel appeared there from somewhere. Or is it possible that Israeli intelligence works better than Russian and Turkish intelligence combined? Well then, what will happen to our bases in Syria, we can only guess for now.
    1. 2al
      -1
      13 December 2024 13: 03
      In fact, Russia was pulling "chestnuts out of the fire" for Israel in Syria. But Israel will not even formally thank for this, but will take over the Russian bases without further ado.
    2. +2
      13 December 2024 13: 40
      The Barmaleys cannot establish order a priori (( They can do nothing but rob, rape and kill. It is now profitable for everyone to dispose of them in order to build something new. But will they give it?
      1. 0
        18 December 2024 12: 45
        All the barmaleys will be transferred to Libya. There the sultan will find a lot of oil (income) and little population (expenses).
  7. +3
    13 December 2024 07: 23
    It is quite possible that Turkey, together with Iran, or even worse than Iran, will end up the loser. If Uncle Sam allows it, the Kurds will declare a sovereign Kurdistan, to begin with on the Kurdish lands of Syria, but the beginning is a bad start. The US and Israel will recognize and even sign "on friendship, cooperation, and mutual assistance." And then the Turks have two options, either swallow and wipe their hands, or do what they threatened and move troops against the Kurds, and both options are worse. According to the first, Turkish Kurdistan will want to unite with Syrian Kurdistan, and the Turks will have to fight on their own land. Of course, it's not the first time for them, but the Turkish Kurds will have the support of a sovereign state of Kurdistan, which has never happened before, so they will have a rear where they can keep warehouses, treat the wounded, where they can take their battered troops for reorganization, and who cares about them, Kurdistan has sovereignty, and if they violate it, the second option will immediately come into play. And under the second option, they will have to clash with the IDF, and, what may be even worse, with the Americans. And the Greeks will be among the first to recognize the independence of Kurdistan, and if the Turks get bogged down in Kurdistan, the Greeks may well be engaged in, say, restoring the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus. And no NATO Article 5 will shine for the Turks if Uncle Sam says that they attacked themselves. So Uncle Sam holds the Turks tightly by the Faberge, and if they start to twitch, then the grip can be tightened.
    1. +3
      13 December 2024 07: 38
      If everything goes as you wrote, then this will be a brilliant game by our "grandmaster".
      But if the Barmaleys are redirected to our Caucasus and to Russia as a whole, then it will be a completely “different story”.
      Wait and see...
      1. +2
        13 December 2024 07: 54
        Quote: Vladimir M
        But what if the Barmaleys are redirected to our Caucasus and to Russia as a whole?

        then Armenia will immediately remember that they are in the CSTO, and Putin will even close his eyes to Pashinyan's previous antics. And Georgia will also urgently want, if not to join the CSTO, then to enter into a bilateral agreement with the Russian Federation. And even Azerbaijan, although they are best friends and brothers with the Turks, will not want the Barmaleys to wander through their lands, and will immediately remember that they are actually Shiites, and the Barmaleys, as it happens, are Sunnis. Otherwise, there is no way to get from Turkey to the Russian Caucasus except through one of these countries, unless Allah himself grants wings to his warriors on the path of jihad. And for this case, there is air defense.lol
      2. + 10
        13 December 2024 09: 08
        The Ottomans will now try to push the Central Asian boors home. Where they also didn't give up at all, and they will definitely be sent to Russia. And we will receive them with joyful squeals, because we need their working hands so much. And in a few years, we will get Syria in our cities.
        1. +9
          13 December 2024 09: 18
          I also think that they will try to redirect the barmaleys from Syria to us. Especially since in their ranks there are people from the Central Asian republics who studied in Russia and received Russian citizenship.
          Then it will no longer be a "brilliant chess game" at all....
        2. +6
          13 December 2024 12: 07
          And we need to prepare for this now, reduce the number of people coming to us from Central Asia as much as possible and establish strict control over those who have entered our country, and all these liberal lobbyists for the uncontrolled mass import of migrants need to be shut up and shown their place, because due to their greed, avarice and venality they have completely lost their sense of objective reality.
    2. 0
      13 December 2024 07: 56
      If Uncle Sam permits
      What are you saying about your relative in the third person, you are a US citizen, an elector of presidents? You should have written: "If we allow it" laughing
      1. +2
        13 December 2024 08: 02
        In America, it is customary to remember Uncle Sam in the third person. And if someone suddenly starts using him in the first person, then this is a medical case, megalomania. Well, it happens that someone identifies himself as Julius Caesar, someone as the Viceroy of India, and Uncle Sam is on the same list.lol
        1. -1
          13 December 2024 08: 06
          You write on your own behalf, we are the USA, we do not allow this and that, or you are not a US citizen and not an elector... Otherwise, you hide behind the guise of a citizen of the Russian Federation. laughing
          1. +4
            13 December 2024 09: 40
            The term "Uncle Sam" usually refers to the American federal government. If a person does not make political decisions, then perhaps he does not need to use the pronoun "we". I remember how I told my grandfather, a WWII veteran, that "we" defeated fascism. To which he replied that I was not yet born at that time.
      2. +3
        13 December 2024 08: 04
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        They should have written it like this: "If we allow it"

        Regarding Syria. Pictures with Shoigu as Kutuzov were found on the arrested General Bulgakov.
        1. +2
          13 December 2024 08: 08
          I have always been amazed by mimics. In the USSR, they were against the KGB, and when they left for the USA, they were against the CIA. laughing
          1. 0
            13 December 2024 08: 56
            Quote: kor1vet1974
            I have always been amazed by mimics. In the USSR, they were against the KGB, and when they left for the USA, they were against the CIA. laughing
            I was not an opponent of the KGB in the USSR. If I had been, I would have gone to Siberia instead of America, they knew their business very well.tongue And I have nothing against the CIA. It's just that sometimes life turns out in ways that even science fiction writers never dreamed of.
            1. -1
              13 December 2024 09: 47
              Yes, you all understood perfectly well... You start, you were not, you were not a member, etc. laughing It's clear that you left for the USA to destroy it from within... And you have successes, you received citizenship, you became an elector... laughing Colonel Petrov told me to tell you that he is pleased with you. laughing
        2. +1
          13 December 2024 13: 44
          Someone from Yanukovych's gang also had similar pictures hanging at home. It seems like Pshonko... and a little later they showed that even the sockets and switches were torn out by the Maidanites. Europe, civilization...
    3. +2
      13 December 2024 13: 37
      It is quite possible that Türkiye, along with Iran, or even worse than Iran, will end up the loser.

      The Greeks were also among the first to recognize Kurdistan's independence

      restoration of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus

      In Greece, all media outlets are closely following the events and waiting for clarification of the situation with the Syrian Kurds. In addition to the Kurds, much is written about the Syrian Christians.
    4. 0
      18 December 2024 12: 47
      Option three: the Turks keep Aleppo and its environs, as they originally wanted. Deal with the rest of Syria as you wish. The International Brigades go to Libya, where they seize a sea of ​​oil for the Sultan.
  8. -6
    13 December 2024 08: 31
    Syria is being torn apart by the US, Turkey, and Israel. As long as they don't touch our bases (thanks to the Foreign Ministry and the exercises conducted by the Russian Navy on the eve of all these events in the Mediterranean Sea near Syria), we basically don't give a damn. We don't lay claim to this "pie".

    ps
    Regarding the straits (Bosphorus and Dardanelles). The Turks have not closed them off for us and will not do so. For them, tomatoes and tourists are more important. "War is war, but lunch is on schedule."
  9. +4
    13 December 2024 10: 26
    We need to evacuate from Syria, and as quickly as possible. Doesn't our stupid government understand this? The bases are good, it's a pity, but they are no longer ours. This is a lever of pressure on us regarding Ukraine. Urgently save people and, if possible, equipment.
  10. +1
    13 December 2024 10: 42
    Quote: north 2
    There will be failure if the new Syrian authorities tell Russia to remove Russian military bases from Syria.

    Have you completely read the article?
  11. BAI
    0
    13 December 2024 11: 06
    Up to $20 billion a year is not an expense that would break the West if direct spending on Ukraine were to be cut. However, what would be Turkey's share here?

    The West will find money for Syria only if it pursues an anti-Russian policy.
    And it is not known what will remain of Syria now.
    By the way, the issue of Western funding will depend significantly on the presence of Russian bases in Syria
    1. +2
      13 December 2024 11: 57
      The West will find money for Syria only if it pursues an anti-Russian policy.
      It is enough for the "new" Syria to withdraw its official recognition of Crimea as Russian...
  12. +3
    13 December 2024 11: 55
    Only one thing is absolutely clear: we have nothing to do in Syria now, and these bases of ours will be completely useless and a burden on the budget; we already have enough to do in Ukraine, and since this has happened, we should no longer waste our strength, resources and means on Syria, which has now become useless to us.
    1. +1
      13 December 2024 18: 10
      By leaving Syria, we are in fact leaving Africa, since Syria is a transit base on the way there.
  13. +3
    13 December 2024 12: 02
    The West knows how to work with the rabble, direct it, support any absurd ideas and movements like the paradise gardens with houris and Salafism. It knows how to bet on two or three sides of a conflict in order to win in any scenario. There is even competition: some have the CIA, others the Pentagon, some the State Department, others MI6. Socialist rivalry, whose bogeymen are the most bogeyman. There is also a tame "intelligentsia". Russian, Belarusian, Iranian, even Chinese.
    Ours try to give gifts, feed, protect from the heart, with the ultimate goal of showing "look how kind and strong I am." Without setting or solving any practical tasks to influence the "sort of friend"...
    As an example - the elite of Tajikistan, Rakhmonov as the head of the Kulyab clan supported by us - he owes us more than everything, but in the end he became just an impudent parasite, where children grow up in a Russophobic mood. Was this the goal of our long-term assistance, military and economic?
    And it's like this almost everywhere.
    For foreign policy, those who define it get a solid two, and we can’t do any better, not even a three minus.
    Maybe there should also be competition between the MFA, SVR, Rossotrudnichestvo, GU GS and FSB? Whoever produces results gets funding and stars on their shoulder straps and chest. And whoever doesn't - promote more well-read and experienced leaders.
    1. 0
      13 December 2024 18: 12
      Quote: faterdom
      Ours try to give gifts, feed, protect from the heart, with the ultimate goal of showing "look how kind and strong I am." Without setting or solving any practical tasks to influence the "sort of friend"...

      I don't think you're right - there are no fools in the Foreign Ministry, rather the point is that the bogeymen consider the US more powerful and are more willing to be friends with them, which is quite logical... the "roof" needs to be the strongest, if you choose - according to their logic... by the way, and not bogeymen either... almost any weak country has to have a roof for peace of mind...
      1. +1
        13 December 2024 23: 26
        And I'm not talking about the fools in the Foreign Ministry, the Defense Ministry or anywhere else. In my naive opinion, any organized human activity has some motivation. Even Biden, despite his loss of orientation in space and time.
        However, the declared or supposed motivation does not always coincide with the real one.
        And so the question is: what motivations drove the smart officials in the Ministry of Defense when they stole huge amounts of money and did not prepare for a real war?
        A clear example is the "national project for cleaning rivers and lakes" - when often huge amounts of money are simply stolen, and nothing is done except reports!
        So the successes of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs praised by Solovyov are approximately at the level of this example: no one can see them or somehow feel them.
        Incorrectly motivated people are physically incapable of making correct decisions, and even more so, they will never try to bring benefit in a preventive and proactive manner - at best, they will simply do nothing. And therefore, if this is the best case, they can easily be replaced by "artificial intelligence" in the form of a wooden block without any processors, memory, or other batteries. They can even be dressed in the uniform of the relevant department, with all sorts of aiguillettes and regalia.
        There aren't enough Belousovs for all the key positions, and no one will give him the most key one.
  14. +3
    13 December 2024 12: 03
    The majority of Syrian politicians have pledged allegiance to the “revolution” and are now pouring water on the previous leader.
    This reminds me of something very much. Well, at least the "bombs" of Lenin and the mausoleum, which are nailed down on May 9, and the monuments to Ilyin, Kolchak, the plaques to Mannerheim, etc.
  15. +2
    13 December 2024 13: 26
    Over time, they will mold Syria into a “Ukraine for Iran” ((we now need to “make trouble” there just like the British, but poison everyone with everyone except Iran, which is still our “comrade” in the fight against Satanists. Another question is whether we are capable of such subtle work?
  16. -3
    13 December 2024 15: 21
    We no longer need this valuable geopolitical area, and our participation must now be excluded from the Syrian formula.

    "Syria" appeared for us in 2015, when the colonial power of Russia urgently needed to distract the people from the bloody consequences of the betrayal of pro-Russian forces and the surrender of Ukraine to the Americans in exchange for Crimea in 2014.
    Any other country could have ended up in Syria's place.
    The disastrous war with NATO and Japan, to which the colonial power is leading us, is getting closer and closer, and Russia has less and less time left to free itself from colonial dependence and save itself, if it remains at all.
    Any discourses that are imposed on us by the enemy in the media with the aim of distracting the people from the problem of liberation and salvation of Russia are becoming increasingly dangerous.
    Thus, the empty shell of Syria continues to serve Russia’s enemies.
    1. 0
      15 December 2024 12: 28
      I wonder how you can combine colonial power and the fact that it opposes NATO in your head? Judging by the fact that Logic didn't even look at the comment, you are a NODovite.
      1. -1
        15 December 2024 13: 58
        Is Russia really opposed to NATO?
        Does he respond to the blows of his mercenaries with his weapons?
        It is NATO that opposes Russia, and in response it SAYS that it opposes it.
        And then, the clash between Russia and NATO is the goal of the US/UK to destroy Russia at the hands of NATO countries and Japan.
        To free ourselves from colonial dependence, we need to confront the Master of NATO itself - the USA/Great Britain.
        I haven't heard of such a confrontation. Have you?
  17. 0
    13 December 2024 16: 31
    Realistic assessments indicate that without political and military control over the provinces of Latakia and Tartus, maintaining military bases and participating in a political settlement will only bring problems, not solutions.

    I completely agree and hence the question - what religion prevented us, during the blitzkrieg of the HTS, from pulling together units and at least keeping these provinces for ourselves? Of course, I understand that planning in general and plans for the event of other players' activity in particular are beyond the capabilities of the sanatorium command, but at least they could have reacted? This kills so many birds with one stone - and different negotiating positions, and an example of what we can do in our zone of control, and sweeten the pill of complete failure, and ensure a calm evacuation, or rather the redeployment of the fleet and the Aerospace Forces in the end...
    I am ready to accept the idea that Syria as a whole is beyond our capabilities, either militarily or economically, especially against the backdrop of the SVO, but we could certainly leave with dignity, choosing the most delicious or at least necessary pieces. And so it would be some kind of Afghanistan-2, only for now without the Syrian parachute-diving club.
  18. -1
    13 December 2024 17: 06
    Over the periods 1991-2000 and 2000-2024, a long list of harmful actions by the Russian authorities in favor of the USA/UK has accumulated. Given its colonial nature, this is not surprising.
    I think it is high time for us to consider every action of our government, first of all, from the point of view of its benefit to our enemy - the USA/Great Britain.
    Apparently, the war to destroy Russia by the US/UK is practically prepared.
    A strategic bridgehead has been created and maintained by the opposing forces on the territory of the Kursk region in order to capture the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant by superior NATO forces under the flag of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and turn it into an instrument of nuclear blackmail for Russia from the very beginning of the war.
    Its function is to forestall our threats to the US and make it safe for them to wage a major war against Russia “by proxy” and destroy it together with its people in this war. It will most likely begin with the capture of the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant.
    Thus, the strategic Kursk bridgehead of NATO, frozen by the joint actions of the colonial administrations of Ukraine and Russia, is now the main danger for Russia.
    Any diversion of armed forces from its speedy liquidation, in my opinion, is now a fact of working for the enemy's plan. Like, for example, Putin's designation of the Donetsk direction as a priority and the diversion of forces and resources to it from Kursk.
    This fact could also include the further use of Syria with the preservation of military bases and a military contingent there.
  19. +3
    13 December 2024 18: 19
    Excellent article, deep analysis and correct conclusions. hi good It's a pity that the Kremlin doesn't read VO. They have their own "tyrnet" of bad advisers. crying
  20. +2
    13 December 2024 20: 04
    Excellent article about the "window" of opportunities for all players in this theater of operations. Let's see what steps the players will take, some are already "running" (Israel). It's a pity that besides "kind words" (diplomacy), we don't have a "big gun" (really significant Armed Forces in the theater of operations). I hope that at least we "stay in our own way", if we don't do something stupid, as is traditional.
    As usual, respect to the author! hi
  21. +1
    13 December 2024 21: 11
    The Russian oligarchic "Winnie the Pooh", "accidentally" shot down on takeoff, crawls away from Syria to the Syrian "honey" by the Jewish-Bandera "Piglet", rubbing his sore ass(... The Turkish "Owl", having picked up the bear's "empty" pot, personally painted with colorful southern congratulations, went to the "Birthday" of the Israeli "Eeyore". Eeyore has a HOLIDAY! A pot, a balloon, and even a tail, and everything is for HIM! And everything would be fine, but the Bear is missing(... Who will they laugh at and whose collective farm greed will they use, to their own great pleasure? And while everyone, having turned towards the crawling "Winnie", calls the Bear back, the donkey quietly begins to saw branches on the Syrian oak. And who and what, will say against it if no one needs the oak? Moral imperative, you say, and the fate of the simple, ordinary population of Syria? But it was not there, NO ONE had it, initially! (After all, this is all exclusively for the electorate, that is, for the "redheads")... And tomorrow, after a hangover and hilarious memories, the whole gang must decide how to deport the evil forest bees, banned in the Russian Federation, to this very Russian Federation. Otherwise, there is no business with them, they only know how to sting! (Therefore, bees, should fly after "Winnie the Pooh", with the caustic comments of the European "Rabbit", that all "THIS" is because someone eats too much! How will we fight back? It seems, with abstract mathematical methodologies or, at worst, moral imperatives. The border - with Kazakhstan, is more than 2000 km long and, is all open(. Fly in - I don't want to! Could it be any other way? In the existing American landscape and scenery - no(((. And, therefore, while the enemy is developing insidious plans of attack, it is necessary to change the landscapes...
  22. +2
    13 December 2024 21: 18
    Excellent material. Verified, competent and clear analysis. It is felt that the author is in the subject. Thank you!!!
  23. 0
    14 December 2024 13: 04
    One can agree with the author in many ways: the "victory" in Syria has created many problems for Erdogan... As they say in such cases: if you want to ruin a small country, give it an aircraft carrier. Erdogan was "gifted" a large part of Syria. It will need to be provided for, its armed forces (or whatever it will be) will need to be armed (after the Israeli destructive strikes, this will have to be done almost from scratch). And Erdogan has almost no resources for this. Inflation in Syria is already off the charts, so much so that Russian inflation seems nailed down against this background, of course, Turkey produces some weapons, but it sells them and makes money on them, but otherwise it will have to be given away for free. In addition, a serious conflict between Erdogan and the West is looming, he will have to fight the Kurds and their many friends, in fact, Erdogan may join the confrontation with both the United States and Israel, which actively support the Kurds (the events in Deir ez-Zor and Majani show that Erdogan has already joined this confrontation). For Turkey, the Kurds are an existential threat and Erdogan will not compromise here. In addition, he has not forgotten, apparently, how recently pro-American putschists tried to overthrow him. In case of defeat, Erdogan and Turkey may share the fate of Assad and Syria, with the difference that Erdogan will have nowhere to run. Hence Erdogan's maximum interest in Russia and Iran. - It can be assumed that Russia will still retain its bases in Syria, and Iran - transit to Lebanon. As for the author's assertions that we need to leave Syria, the West is persistently trying to convince us of this, but we should not follow the West's lead. And, in general, we should not forget that Turkey has recently been striving to join BRICS and is our friend and, in many ways, an ally. In the future, our relations will most likely be even more friendly, and in Syria, the curators are simply changing: before, it was one of our friends - Iran, and now there is another - Türkiye. That's all!
    1. 0
      15 December 2024 12: 32
      Quote: Andrey A
      with the difference that Erdogan will have nowhere to run.

      I wonder what you'll say when your best friend Erdogan lands in Rostov. laughing
      1. 0
        17 December 2024 19: 38
        If Erdogan quarrels with Russia, it is unlikely that his plane will land in Rostov. So quarreling with Russia is not in Erdogan's interests.
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  25. 0
    16 December 2024 16: 43
    It will be quite difficult to try to shift the "costs" of the rule of the Sultan - Erdogan, to Russia, if our Supreme tries to distance himself from Erdogan and show him that he "bites" "off the hook" in matters of hydrocarbons, in the long term, and in terms of electricity (the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant being built by Russia) from the "palm of Russia"... Even a former football player, with perhaps some brain damage, which is what the current Sultan of Turkey is, will not find it difficult to understand that one cannot talk to Russia "through one's lips", and, even more so, to "hurt" it in political and economic terms.... But, for all this, one must show enormous political will and show the entire Western world + the USA (don't be shy) that Russia has "balls" and "very iron" ones.....