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How Russian soldiers were fed in the royal army

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The strange thing is how far our contemporaries have distorted the idea of stories home country in pre-revolutionary time.


Take, for example, for clarity, an example of a “starving” tsarist army: it happened during the defense of Port Arthur. We learn about the “hunger” from the diary entries of military engineer Mikhail Lilier, dated by the beginning of September 1904.

How Russian soldiers were fed in the royal army


“... There is a strong lack of provisions. Soldiers have long been given horse meat, but many of them cannot tolerate it and are forced to be content with tea.

The officers, using the flight of quails, buy them from the Chinese, paying for a pair from 10 to 30 kopecks.

All the surroundings near Pigeon Bay are completely devastated. The unfortunate Chinese took absolutely everything that could be taken away, and their situation is now terrible. Bread is still mowed by the garrison for fodder, kitchen gardens are empty, cattle are taken by the requisition ... The amount of provisions in the fortress is decreasing every day. Even portions of horse meat are heavily trimmed. In order to give the soldiers a full portion, they would have, by calculation, to kill at least 250 horses every week. And with such a slaughter, we will soon remain completely without them ...

... Soldiers give a quick lunch only three times a week. Everyone then gets borsch with greens and 1 / 3 cans of canned meat. In the remaining four days a week they give a so-called “lean borscht” consisting of water, a small amount of dry vegetables and butter ...

... Instead of buckwheat porridge, which is not in the fortress, give rice, occasionally just filling it with butter and onions. So soldiers are fed only in more caring parts. But where the authorities care little about it, I saw such “rice soups” that in St. Petersburg hardly anyone would be able to get a remote idea of ​​them.

The officers in positions are also very poor with food and suffer all kinds of hardships. True, it is sometimes possible to buy quails from local Chinese around Lyaoteshany, but this is already a delicacy.

7 October. The prices of vital supplies are fabulous. For example: a small pig costs 120-150 rubles. 10 eggs - 10 rubles. Chicken - 12-15 rubles. Goose - 30-35 rubles. Portions of soldiers still reduced. Bread is given in total 2 pounds and to this a small amount of rice porridge ... ".


Yes, when compared with the hungry days of besieged Leningrad, it is just a feast.

In general, in the Soviet historiography it was decided to smear black paint everything related to royal times. They also criticized the army, describing the terrible order, dull drill and intolerable everyday life, the hungry everyday life of ordinary Russians Ivanov. But it is worth reading these memoirs here, and you start to think - was it really so awful?

Let's figure it out.

The food ration of soldiers by the tsarist army was regulated by order of the Minister of War No. 346 of March 22 of 1899. According to the text of this decree, the soldiers ration (as well as the non-commissioned officers ration) consisted of three parts:

- Provisions.

- Welding money.

- Tea money.

Provisions issued food. Welding and tea money was issued to soldiers strictly for the purchase of the required standard set of products (which was calculated based on the prices of the location of the military unit).

Welding and tea money was issued monthly from the regiment to the hands of the company commander. The process of acquiring and distributing the products was handled by the company artel, who entrusted the food to the cooks, whose duties already included its preparation. A small interesting nuance: both artelschiki and cooks were elected from among competent employees by an open vote of the whole company, after which they were approved by the company commander. Somehow such procedures do not tally with the harassment and lack of rights of Russian soldiers of the tsarist army, according to the version of Soviet historiographers) ...

In the regiment itself, the food supply was managed by the regiment commander-lieutenant colonel (in cavalry he was called the assistant regiment commander for the economic part).

The basis for calculating the welding money was that a company must find an opportunity to purchase the following products:

- meat (beef) at the rate of 5 pounds (2,05 kg.) per day per 10 person.
- cabbage 1 / 4 buckets (liters of 3,1) per day per 10 person.
- pea 1 garnets (3,27 liters) per day per 10 person.
- potatoes 3,75 garntsa (12,27 liters) per day per person 10
- wheat flour 6.5 pounds (2,67 kg.) per day per 10 person.
- eggs 2 pcs. per day on 10 people.
- Butter 1 pound (0,410 kg.) per day per 10 person.
- salt 0,5 pounds (204 gr.) per day per 10 person.

Also, it was possible to buy various seasonings for welding money - pepper, bay leaf and so on.

And it was the standard set minimum: if a company managed to find good suppliers with low food prices, more food was purchased. It was strictly forbidden to buy products at inflated prices, and the company commander strictly monitored this.

During religious posts, fish and vegetable oil were bought instead of meat. At the same time, in the care of maintaining healthy forces of the personnel, the post was not allowed to be fully executed or not to observe it at all.

The food was cooked by cooks: the cooked meat is taken out with special ladles from the boiler, cut into equal portions and given to each soldier when eating separately from soup or porridge.

The lower ranks who ate out of the common pot (on business trips and others) received welders in the form of money.

It is hard to say. when canned food first appeared in the Russian army. On the basis of open data, in the 1891, the royal army used canned food from the People’s Food Society. And their list is small:

- Pea soup with beef.
- Pea chowder with beef.
- Oatmeal soup.
- Soup sour meat and cereal.
- Soup sour.
- Mushroom soup.
- Potato soup.
- Borshch meat and cereal.
- Shchi-porridge meat and cereal.
- Shchi-kasha meat-extract.

The lower ranks in the company were provided with two hot meals: lunch at 12 hours of the day and dinner at 19 hours. Breakfast and even morning tea was not allowed.

Interestingly, the so-called wine portions relied on the soldiers on certain days. They were issued servicemen:

1. On the first day of Christmas.
2. On the first day of Easter.
3. On the day of the namesake of the Sovereign Emperor.
4. On the day of the namesake of the Empress.
5. On the day of the namesake of the Sovereign Heir, Cesarevich.
6. On the day of the merit name of the Grand Duchess of the Tsarevna (wife of the Tsarevich, if he is already married).
7. On the day of the namesake of the Chief of the regiment (if such a regiment is available).
8. On the day of the regimental holiday.
9. On the day of the company holiday.
10. In special cases, soldiers for medical reasons.

A slightly different food supply system was issued for officers. They received the so-called "dining money", based on the following standards (per year):

- junior officers in all military branches - 96 rub.
- chiefs of machine-gun teams and senior officers of artillery batteries - 180 rub.
- commanders of companies, squadrons, training teams - 360 rub.
- commanders of individual sapper companies and individual hundreds - 480 rub.
- battalion commanders, assistant regiment commander, serf artillery company commanders, junior officers of artillery brigades - 600 rub.
- commander of artillery battery - 900 rub.
- commander of a separate battalion, artil.diviziona - 1056 rub.
- regiment commander, non-detached brigade commander - 2700 rub.
- commander of the art brigade - 3300 rub.
- Head of a separate rifle, cavalry brigade - 3300 rub.
- Division Chief - 4200 rub.
- Corps Commander - 5700 rub.

In wartime or at the garrison service, that is, where it was difficult to purchase food from the local population, officers were allowed to buy food for themselves and members of their family in the regiment - for a full fee according to soldier standards.

Well, the complaints of engineer Mikhail Lillet, who was forced to “starve” during the siege of Port Arthur, are not surprising: compared with the food rations of peacetime, these were really harsh times of hunger ...
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  1. shurup
    shurup 18 March 2013 07: 56 New
    +7
    Two sailors of the sailing fleet relied on a bucket (12l.) And half a bucket of cereal per day, and how much you eat bread. But the service was hell.
    Officers under the tsar ate like Soviet historians in the best Soviet restaurants.
    In the SA, a pigsty was attached to every soldier’s canteen, but the pigs weren’t content. The thickest and most beautiful were warrant officers close to the kitchen. Young soldiers were welded in a chiffon, but grandfathers were not thin, because food packages from home were commonplace, unlike in tsarist times, when they went the other way.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 18 March 2013 10: 47 New
      24
      Quote: shurup
      In the SA, a pigsty was attached to every soldier’s canteen, but the pigs weren’t content. The thickest and most beautiful were warrant officers close to the kitchen. Young soldiers were welded in a chifa, but grandfathers were not slender, because food parcels from home were commonplace, unlike the tsarist era, when they went the other way.

      Yes, do not spread nonsense about CA. They fed in it quite normally. As for the "grandfathers", their presence depended on the officers of the unit. As for the parcels, according to the soldiers' law, they were put on the dining table during lunch, breakfast or dinner and were eaten by the whole department. In any case, where I served, they always tried to do just that.
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 18 March 2013 13: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: bistrov.
        Yes, do not spread nonsense about CA.

        You did not serve with shurup in the same part.
        Therefore, the conditions were different. For example, when we were sent on a business trip to BAM, I lost weight from 2,5 to 70 kg there in 59 months, and when I returned to school I got to 70 and added 3 more. I can honestly say: in the Amur region, they fed poorly. Although, I am sure that this was an isolated case.
      2. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 18 March 2013 22: 45 New
        +5
        In 1967-1970, my brother served near Severomorsk, after a year of his service, my mother and I (as a teenager) went from Alma-Ata to “visit him”. We were settled in the apartment of an officer who left with his family on the Black Sea, and gave my brother the keys for us. The command of the unit and the sailors surrounded us with warmth and care. They were fed as if for slaughter. The diet of sailors was not only meat, fish and cereals, but also butter, chocolate. bakery products. When the unit was a pigsty and sailors received additional meat. And also, in their free time, sailors fished and prepared "delights" in the galley! And in the brother in the unit under the covers, no one ever ate the contents of the packages. And the officers spoke very well, and there was no hazing!
      3. vjhbc
        vjhbc 18 March 2013 23: 04 New
        +5
        it all depends on the part I served in a separate company and the first year officers and warrant officers were dining in the DSB canteen at the landing party at all and were not interested in how and who cooks, therefore they cooked shit without observing any norms, so to eat well, I needed a pack of cigarettes 2 cigarettes extra oil and a loaf of 10 canned meat, then we were transferred to the canteen to the autobaht 100m from the Children's Art School and
        there the warrant officers in the dining room spent the night and spent the night and everything was prepared as needed and the portions were full and no cigarettes needed
      4. Oberon
        Oberon 18 March 2013 23: 11 New
        0
        You have served the dear in training or exemplary.
        I took care of my fighters, and at the reception there was always a bag of potatoes and a heavy shmat fat. They bought potatoes from the locals, and Father and Mother brought me fat. I didn’t care about those who were in the barracks, they did not want to go on combat duty, to sit underground for days and nights
      5. brelok
        brelok 19 March 2013 07: 59 New
        0
        Not everywhere was good! Remember the Russian island! A friend served there. Terrible things were told!
      6. TNT
        TNT 9 January 2017 12: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: bistrov.
        Yes, do not spread nonsense about CA. Fed in it is quite normal

        I don’t know, they fed us wrongly.

        Quote: bistrov.
        As for the "grandfathers", their presence depended on the officers of the unit.

        I don’t remember that any of my friends or acquaintances telling about the service — they said — we didn’t have hazing.
        Hazing was everywhere - just in some places it took monstrous forms.
        Quote: bistrov.
        As for the parcels, according to the soldiers' law, they were put on the dining table during lunch, breakfast or dinner and were eaten by the whole department

        Sweets and sweets - yes. The rest is not.
    2. Krilion
      Krilion 18 March 2013 15: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: shurup
      Two sailors of the sailing fleet relied on a bucket (12l.) And half a bucket of cereal per day, and how much you eat bread. But the service was hell.



      honestly, I can hardly imagine how two people can gobble up so much .. and I really can’t imagine that by devouring all this, it would also be possible to work / serve ... smile if only all day in a bunk up ...
    3. saygon66
      saygon66 19 March 2013 00: 38 New
      +1
      - A lot depends on the command of the unit ... We were fed without dainties, but satisfying. There was a case when butter from rations used canned porridge for the supplement, the fighters for ..... drank, the porridge was canceled, the oil was returned. In the first year, some mu..ak ruined sauerkraut - salted to death, so an aunt from the village nearby was invited to the next pickling. Everyone was free to shop in tea baking.
  2. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 18 March 2013 08: 12 New
    40
    I read, well, just an oil painting ... it was so good. My grandfather was born in 1895, died in 1982, found imperial times. He left a diary where he covered, so to speak, the most interesting moments of his life as a Communist — he was not. And he was sympathetic to the Soviet regime. But, this is the lyrics. In essence, I can say that he fought on the North-Western Front. In 1917 he was wounded, was in St. Petersburg in the hospital, where he found the revolution. Now about food ... once they brought them rotten fish and said to eat them. The soldiers refused, the most zealous ones were taken away from his words, and they were not seen by their fellow soldiers. And then the regiment commander spoke and said that the rebels would be punished, etc. And he added literally the following: “There will be enough of you G.A.V.N.A.A. in Russia, we only feel sorry for the gentlemen of officers.”
    I brought this so that people would see what was the attitude towards a simple person. Simple and casual. You can not believe and count for communist propaganda. But, I understand why my grandfather, being mobilized into Kolchak’s army, escaped from there to Frunze, grabbing a supply of ammunition.
    1. Uzoliv
      Uzoliv 18 March 2013 09: 57 New
      22
      Quote: Nagaibak
      I brought this so that people would see what was the attitude towards a simple person. Simple and casual. You can not believe and count for communist propaganda.

      And now there are plenty of such examples. Here is a production case, half a year ago. At one of the production sites in the workshop, there is a small repair - painting. Naturally annoying smell, workers begin to complain to the master. The master turns to the higher authorities with a proposal to transfer the painting either to the second shift - there are much fewer people working there, or on a day off, for example, Saturday. He receives the following answer: "It's okay to get through, they will break out. Now it’s not Sovdepiia." And what is interesting is that this boss is no longer young, he also started from the bottom - a robot, was a member of the party.
      I will tell you so, I have a difficult attitude towards the October Revolution, but I perfectly understand the people who went for the Reds, it’s boiling.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 18 March 2013 10: 45 New
        +2
        Exactly
      2. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 18 March 2013 22: 19 New
        0
        [quote = Uzoliv] I’ll tell you so, I have a complicated attitude towards the October Revolution, but I perfectly understand the people who followed the Reds, it’s boiling [and when we have this, it’s going to boil, should we again have to wait for a world war. ..
        1. vjhbc
          vjhbc 18 March 2013 23: 13 New
          0
          war will be 100% too many problems and the easiest way is war and nature takes too many people on earth and no matter how smart people are, all the same evolutionary processes require a reduction and recovery of the population and too many genetic distortions of the type have accumulated (tii and other)
        2. vjhbc
          vjhbc 18 March 2013 23: 14 New
          0
          war will be 100% too many problems and the easiest way is war and nature takes too many people on earth and no matter how smart people are, evolutionary processes still require reduction and recovery of the population and too many genetic distortions of the type have accumulated ( tees, etc.)
      3. t-101
        t-101 18 March 2013 23: 26 New
        +1
        It is boiling, to say the least !!
      4. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 19 March 2013 13: 34 New
        0
        This is the result of a "bright" future prepared by capitalist liberal democrats, sorry ... Under the Soviet regime, you could complain about a violation of sanitary standards and measures would be taken, obliged to give workers personal protective equipment, organized ventilation and transferred work for a reasonable time !. And now - do not like it - quit!
      5. Klibanophoros
        Klibanophoros 20 March 2013 01: 06 New
        +1
        So the “Sovdepiya” will suddenly come, all these bastards in the forefront will whine and lament how they lacked Soviet power!
    2. Fox
      Fox 18 March 2013 10: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Nagaibak
      I read, well, just an oil painting ... it was so good

      it’s a pity that you can only put one + ...
    3. bask
      bask 18 March 2013 12: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Nagaibak
      they were taken away and their more fellow soldiers did not see. And then the regiment commander spoke and said that the rebels would be punished, etc. And he added literally the following: “There will be enough of you G.A.V.N.A.A. in Russia, we only feel sorry for the gentlemen of officers.”

      100% true. My grandfather tag captured the 1st World War. The same stories, Small, I was. But I remember, I always said,. Treated the soldiers like ,, cattle ,, If everything was ,, quiet and smooth Yes, God's grace ... There was no revolution. My from Dinikin rushed to Tsaritsin. I saw Comrade I.V. Stalin himself.
    4. Maks111
      Maks111 18 March 2013 15: 18 New
      0
      I read, well, just an oil painting ... it was so good. My grandfather was born in 1895, died in 1982, found imperial times. He left a diary where he covered, so to speak, the most interesting moments of his life as a Communist — he was not. And he was sympathetic to the Soviet regime. But, this is the lyrics. In essence, I can say that he fought on the North-Western Front. In 1917 he was wounded, was in St. Petersburg in the hospital, where he found the revolution. Now about food ... once they brought them rotten fish and said to eat them. The soldiers refused, the most zealous ones were taken away from his words, and they were not seen by their fellow soldiers. And then the regiment commander spoke and said that the rebels would be punished, etc. And he added literally the following: “There will be enough of you G.A.V.N.A.A. in Russia, we only feel sorry for the gentlemen of officers.”
      I brought this so that people would see what was the attitude towards a simple person. Simple and casual. You can not believe and count for communist propaganda. But, I understand why my grandfather, being mobilized into Kolchak’s army, escaped from there to Frunze, grabbing a supply of ammunition.
      And in Soviet times, one might think, the commissars kissed the people’s legs directly. In addition, you did not give a date in which year the case of rotten fish was. If in the war, then there is a lot to say about the Second World War. For example, in a blockade, a team of cooks was shot because croutons were served cold on the table. And one veteran said that it was tight with food (I just don’t remember the whole period of the war) and that if it weren’t for American food, which would be supplied by Lend-Lease, then there would be PPC. So you don’t have to juggle, in every war you can find similar examples.
      1. Astartes
        Astartes 18 March 2013 15: 27 New
        +9
        You forgot to add that, on the orders of the bloody tyrant Stalin, these cooks were shot, all the bloody liquid commissars tried to hide, but the noble criminals from the neighboring penal battalion saw this and told Solzhenitsyn in the gulag.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 19 March 2013 14: 25 New
          +1
          Well, right, Stalin ordered to be shot for cold croutons, some nonsense! This, again, is everything from the people on the ground ... How can our "valiant" police protect, or "hang" anything for no reason at all, or even send them to the “other world” during the investigation, Well this is, sorry, not Putin ordered. Another thing is to maximally increase responsibility for such cases, to judge indicatively, to give maximum periods, so that other “guardians” would not be accustomed.
      2. rereture
        rereture 18 March 2013 15: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Max111
        if not for American food, which was supplied by Lend-Lease then PPC would be


        My great-grandfather told me that he went through the war, so as they say firsthand. They sent them something like food in the company, delivery by Lend-Lease just. The company commander chose two people, one of them was my great-grandfather, they were taken to the warehouse and told to tear off all the labels from the cans, the great-grandfather said that the frogs were depicted on the labels. The commander said that they were silent about the labels, so as not to undermine the fighting spirit. And the second one told everyone, and no one touched these jars.
        Great-grandfather said that American stew was also brought in, they say there was more meat than in their own. But even so, what kind of meat is in the country if the war is around.
      3. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 18 March 2013 19: 37 New
        0
        Max. 111 "Besides, you didn’t give a date in which year the case of rotten fish was. If you can say a lot about the Second World War."
        Why do you need a date. You, in my opinion, it makes no difference that the First World War, that the Second World War.
        The second will reveal to you a great secret. Without American stew, we would have survived the war. On our own porridges. It would have been tight, but would have survived. So that the PPC would not have come.
      4. Viking
        Viking 18 March 2013 20: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Max111
        in a blockade, a team of cooks was shot for croutons being served cold on the table.

        I heard, or rather read a story about it. As you can guess from right through the "democratic liberal" media. True, cold buns were featured there. But references to any historical document or memoirs trustworthy somehow did not occur. Why's that? I think that this is one of the long-playing tales, like the shootings in Germany for a stowaway or an aircraft carrier with an escort stupidly going to the lighthouse.
      5. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 19 March 2013 13: 55 New
        0
        Again, it all depends on the specific people on the spot. And I am sure that there are far fewer bastards in the world than decent and honest people. And even though my father (a veteran of the Great Patriotic War) said that there wasn’t enough food, and "picked out" himself in the morning from the frozen ice in the dugouts, they called up to attack (and not under dictation!) - "ZARODINA, for STALIN!" That's it ...
  3. Avenger711
    Avenger711 18 March 2013 08: 20 New
    +9
    Well, really, more than 125 grams of bread, so already a feast. I don’t know what the author wanted to say by this, but apparently he is a typical liberalist, and, as you know, there is no need to expose liberalists, they expose themselves by their endless stupidity.
  4. Soldier
    Soldier 18 March 2013 08: 40 New
    +9
    Nobody goes thin on Dembel. Yes, and the food standards that in the RA will be richer in the SA anyway than under the tsar. Especially touched by the wine contentment in honor of the monarchs. Drink a mole for us, beloved ones.
    1. pensioneree
      pensioneree 11 January 2017 11: 36 New
      0
      UNP857 14 ВСО. sergeant, in the kitchen there are 2 cooks "Ashgabat" and "Miskhor" - even dry potatoes (properly cooked) - TASTY! This is the name of the restaurant, who did not understand. Experience-1-year by the person on duty in the kitchen (outfit). Have sergeants been put in the kitchen? hz Prapory steal more?
  5. ac5pr7u
    ac5pr7u 18 March 2013 09: 23 New
    +8
    Why Port Arthur, where they ate so well, as it is written in the article, gave up, and Leningrad, where people were starving, survived.
    1. mick59
      mick59 18 March 2013 09: 41 New
      -11
      They survived because - we don’t need bread, let's get work done. We do not need the sun, the party is shining for us.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 18 March 2013 10: 55 New
      15
      Port Arthur passed Stessel, perhaps it was a betrayal. But the Japanese lost about 100 tons of soldiers killed, Russians about 15 tons of soldiers. Here are the results of a “good” feeding.
    3. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 18 March 2013 12: 44 New
      13
      Not Port Arthur surrendered. And the commandant of the fortress and his headquarters surrendered. The Japanese house was one of the first to secure Stesil’s house so that there wouldn’t be any lynching. And the Japanese respected our soldiers and officers. And they told them that they were real wars and it was not their fault that they were SOLD.
  6. BARKAS
    BARKAS 18 March 2013 09: 52 New
    +4
    Somewhere I read the same thing, but about the convicts before the revolution, they say it’s not penal servitude but paradise compared to modern correctional colonies, can the author be the same?
  7. 120352
    120352 18 March 2013 10: 09 New
    +8
    They didn’t win against the Japanese because it took them all the time to eat, and to fight with a full belly - oh, how hard!
    I figured it on myself, I eat 10 times less. In any case, I can’t master 6 liters of cabbage soup, and 600 ml too.
    And what about the political Cathar’s swing, I’ll answer BARKAS, using the example of the link of Berdyaev, Lunacharsky Savinkov. They were forced to live in Vologda, at the Golden Anchor Hotel, in five-star rooms at state expense. There, in the restaurant, and ate. Also at public expense. Received cash from the state. With nothing to do, they released their magazine, naturally, not pro-government. Twice a year they should have been on vacation for 2 months at home. This is how the state “mocked” its “dissidents”. If you want, read Lenin about his exile in Shushenskoye. The state there paid him so much that he was the richest man in the district. This he himself writes, not me.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 18 March 2013 10: 20 New
      +9
      I completely agree I was in the village of Shushenskoye, the places are heavenly, and Vladimir Ilyich, being in exile of "complete deprivation", lived in the largest house, went hunting, skated, etc. I myself would have lived a week in such a link.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 18 March 2013 10: 48 New
      +7
      For starters, do not confuse the link and hard labor
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 18 March 2013 13: 32 New
        +3
        I am sure that now people live worse in the settlement than under the king. If you wish, you can compare, the material on the network is full.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 18 March 2013 19: 40 New
          0
          dear fzr1000-let's not talk nonsense. Have you decided to talk about settlements? and are there people just like that? Most of the settlers in the zone are absent-minded and they drag on bought sentences in the village and now they have better money and support. than local ones (and in most of them they live and eat at home only when checking)
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 18 March 2013 21: 17 New
            0
            Right now, in all settlements everyone lives for bought sentences in five-star hotels at the expense of the state, as before 1917. And you don’t need to work in the settlement. And a vacation at home for 2 months a year, right? Who else is talking nonsense.
            PS Well, you have spelling.
        2. pensioneree
          pensioneree 11 January 2017 11: 52 New
          0
          They drove by (the neighbor asked me to take the TV, the sufferer, he knocked down 3 people with a hangover.) - a pioneer camp. On the ropes, the bras with m. Cowards of sushats, his salary is 30% more than mine and sit 5,5 years. Maybe I have someone to bring down ?
  8. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 18 March 2013 10: 25 New
    +8
    The king’s food was good enough, it’s a fact, at least they didn’t die of hunger on the front lines. But a lot depends on the fathers of the commanders, there are people who organize life at the highest level, and there are thieving scum who are ready to feed the soldiers with feces for profit. it was, and in modern times, what the recent scandal in the VV MVD with canned canines is worth.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 March 2013 12: 26 New
      +2
      In the years 16-17, there may have been times when they died.
  9. stranik72
    stranik72 18 March 2013 11: 11 New
    +7
    I won’t talk about Port Arthur, but my grandfather, peace be upon him, an officer of the tsarist army (captured in 1916, returned to Russia in 1929) said that the food situation in the German sector of the front where he fought in the cavalry was not very , and sometimes awkward for everyone, and this caused anger at the tsarist authorities, including among the officers, he also noted the poor quality of bullets, shells and boots. He was not a Bolshevik for his “past”, until 1947 he went every month to celebrate in the district NKVD 20 km from the village where he lived, at the request of the new government, no closer than 200 km from the provincial city.
  10. dema46
    dema46 18 March 2013 11: 14 New
    +7
    Good afternoon. About royal abundance and about Soviet life.
    1. On the battleship "Potemkin" it seems like a riot began not with the abundance of red caviar.
    2. In Soviet times, they fed a lot, but in many parts it’s bad. It all depended on the decency of the unit commander and the arrogance of the ensigns. I remember how we were fed in Perm cotton (military aviation school), all these biguses and boiled fat! Dirty dishes, rotten potatoes .. .fu! it’s clear how all of us were tormented by heartburn. Yes, and probably enough of scoundrels.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 18 March 2013 14: 12 New
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      With "Potemkin" the story is quite dark. The food was spoiled. but why is she there, the question?
    2. politruk419
      politruk419 19 March 2013 04: 02 New
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      I support. Food in the army is almost always completely and entirely on the shoulders of commanders and commanders.
      In an ugly way, my comrades and I ate as cadets at the P.V. Nakhimov ChVVMU. The quality of the cooking and the assortment of products were disgusting. But once we went across the bay to SVVMIU (Holland)
      .Our UZhK was under repair and we, in the amount of 70 people, went to undergo training in diving training for the "neighbors". They deliberately removed us from allowances and put them on food for two days. The difference was very significant. Everything was delicious and of high quality. Well, when for the first time we got an internship to the north, in Vidyaevo, then there, from the abundance of the diet of divers, we simply started a gastronomic holiday.
    3. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 9 January 2017 11: 53 New
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      And who worked in your dining room? Didn't the cadets themselves in the attire wash the dishes and peel the vegetables?
  11. Pushkar
    Pushkar 18 March 2013 12: 11 New
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    Norms are one thing, another thing is how they were implemented, how the food service was funded, what the food prices really were. Please note that there was practically no centralized food supply (as in CA or RA). Local purchases are always less controlled; rollbacks were not invented yesterday. And the riot on "Potemkin" - not an artistic fiction.
  12. Astartes
    Astartes 18 March 2013 12: 59 New
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    "All the neighborhoods near Golubinaya Bay are completely ruined. The poor Chinese have been decisively taken away everything that could be done, and their situation is now terrible. The bread is still mowed down by the garrison for fodder, the gardens are empty, the cattle taken by the requisition ... Yes, when compared with the hungry days of the siege Leningrad is just a feast "And if we compare the city of millions and the garrison of the fortress and thereby prove the" lies of Soviet history ", then it is simply an abomination of the highest category, but what can we expect from liberalists.
  13. radio operator
    radio operator 18 March 2013 13: 30 New
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    The basis for calculating the welding money was that a company must find an opportunity to purchase the following products:

    - meat (beef) at the rate of 5 pounds (2,05 kg.) per day per 10 person.
    - cabbage 1 / 4 buckets (liters of 3,1) per day per 10 person.
    - pea 1 garnets (3,27 liters) per day per 10 person.
    - potatoes 3,75 garntsa (12,27 liters) per day per person 10
    - wheat flour 6.5 pounds (2,67 kg.) per day per 10 person.
    - eggs 2 pcs. per day on 10 people.
    - Butter 1 pound (0,410 kg.) per day per 10 person.
    - salt 0,5 pounds (204 gr.) per day per 10 person.

    Approximately the same allowance rates were in 1812.
    And, nothing, they beat the French, and the losses were 3 times less than that of the adversary.
  14. kamakim
    kamakim 18 March 2013 15: 41 New
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    a beautiful book by A. Stepanov- "Port Arthur" - gives a complete picture of the siege of Arthur by the Japanese
  15. rexby63
    rexby63 18 March 2013 16: 28 New
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    Regarding soldering in the tsarist army ... Normal, good soldering. If it hadn’t existed, then those dystrophics, which, according to Mikhail Ivanovich Dragomirov, replaced the rosy Petrovsky recruit, would have remained dystrophic, and not once soldiers
  16. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 18 March 2013 16: 54 New
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    Grandfather served as a sailor under the king and never said that they fed poorly. He always cursed when they showed the “Battleship Potemkin.” He always called the Poles traitors, and the Jews winged for the collapse of the country, which we passed in 91. Nothing changes in the moonlit world .Two times we step on the same rake. Maybe, after all, we will begin to comprehend history not particularly believing different scribes, but looking at our people, relatives and serious, without order, historians.
  17. Sokrat
    Sokrat 18 March 2013 18: 05 New
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    Lying in the hospital with one grandfather, his father served with the king. So grandfather told me that his father told the king the soldier always gave a piece of meat and walked in leather boots, and in the red army winding.
  18. RoTTor
    RoTTor 18 March 2013 19: 00 New
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    The uprising on the “Potemkin” precisely because of crappy food began.
    And in the February Revolution no one rushed to defend such a wonderful tsarist regime.
    No need to repeat the monarchist party political work.
    Before the Gorbachev, the Soviet Army fed both soldiers and officers with dignity. Norms - checked and verified by science. And here is how they cooked - from the nachprod, beg. the rear and the commander depended.
    In LenVO, for example, a remarkable chief of the district’s food service, even in the North, vegetables were from their greenhouses, meat and milk from their military state farms, and cooks were prepared in the district training school with dignity. In the North, it was unimportant with food for a long time, but in the army - they were fed properly! So the district nachprod in a fist kept the entire district food service.
    It is interesting that such a thing could have been devoured by the generals and colonels in tsarist times?
    In Soviet times, a regular sergeant, a radio operator gunner and commander of an aviation regiment, also ate according to one flight norm.
  19. Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 18 March 2013 19: 39 New
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    In the "hungry" 88 year, the troops really weren’t with food, even in special forces. One of my co-workers lost 24 kilograms. From 118 kg to 94. True, he ran like a horse all summer in a pea jacket, when the rest drove the bulldozer.
    I myself experienced all the horror of the army under the USSR. Lost weight in 2 years from 86 kg to 79.
    But, interestingly, it has grown over these 2 years by 5 cm, to 186. Although, before the army, it seems to have ceased to grow, in 19 it was years. Not otherwise, GMOs were fed .. recourse Probably unspoken experiments.

    In general, horror. Bloody USSR ...
  20. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 18 March 2013 20: 02 New
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    they urgently fed well1970-72. we went on duty to the mine and therefore gave extra dues. even closer to the demobilization, we had enough doppike and there was enough. then the matter is in people. went on business trips a lot and saw all sorts of
  21. aviamed90
    aviamed90 18 March 2013 21: 32 New
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    And here is what I unearthed on the food supply of the tsarist Russian army: see attached images.
  22. aviamed90
    aviamed90 18 March 2013 21: 38 New
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    but here is what I found.
  23. Bosk
    Bosk 18 March 2013 21: 42 New
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    Here, somehow, an experiment was conducted on TV last year ... the guys scammed the canned goods of the beginning of the last century ... ate for both cheeks and also praised ... the truth about their well-being the next day there is no infa ... But I’ll tell you about it. ..in the beginning of the 80s, I remember my parents quite often bought canned canned meat from the late 40s from ensigns, and it seemed to go around too normally ....
  24. bublic82009
    bublic82009 18 March 2013 22: 28 New
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    the author forgot to mention that the bread was rye, the white soldiers did not see. fish in the diet does not smell. and correctly smeared. 2 times a day, soldiers were fed.
  25. saygon66
    saygon66 19 March 2013 00: 17 New
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    - "First of all, feeding the guards soldier was satisfying and good. The government soldier rations were better and better in the guard than in the army. In peacetime, we strictly controlled our regiment to ensure that the soldiers’ food was good and tasty. This was checked in good faith, by ourselves squadron commanders, who, being usually people with means, not only didn’t steal from a soldier’s ration, but, on the contrary, tried to improve the table in every possible way and often boasted to each other. The soldiers usually didn’t eat their ration because they were full, in the daytime the squadrons left the half-eaten leftovers that went to feed the pigs kept at the squadrons. These pigs were slaughtered for the squadron holiday, by Christmas or Easter, in order to arrange good extortion for the soldiers. On large holidays, officers often treated the soldiers with beer and improved their table, and they even made pancakes for the soldiers at Shrovetide. " "Notes of a cuirassier" Prince V.S. Trubetskoy, officer of the Life - Guard of Her Majesty's Cuirassier Regiment (Gatchina Blue Cuirassiers)
  26. IgorSamson
    IgorSamson 19 March 2013 01: 48 New
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    Why are you stuck in Port Arthur? No one wrote that during the siege, there was not enough food. On the contrary, Stessel was judged for the fact that that fortress had been surrendered, when it was still possible to hold on: both provisions and ammunition were in abundance. It’s better to write about the diet of soldiers in the Crimean War, when they made soup for the soldiers from burnt rusks - everything was stolen.
  27. Takashi
    Takashi 19 March 2013 06: 10 New
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    Translated the table for 1 one person:
    - meat (beef) - 200 gr per day.
    - cabbage - 0,31 liters (pickled probably).
    - peas - 300 gr.
    - potatoes (1,227 liters) per day - (take 1 liter jar and stuff potatoes there)
    - wheat flour 200 gr.
    - eggs 1 pc. (2 pcs. are not divided by 10).
    - butter - 40 g per day.
    - salt 20,4 gr.

    immediately a question arose to everyone who wrote that the diet is good, did you try to live on it?
    where so much salt ??????
    potatoes - for one tooth ????
    one egg - into 5 parts !!!!!
    one pea pleases. 300 gr Well, cook how much you get.
    200 grams of bread per day. (roughly speaking, this is half a roll with a modern mass of 540 grams).

    Who knows and remembers, write down what kind of ration the Soviet army had (we will not take into account the current buffet).
    1. rexby63
      rexby63 19 March 2013 07: 29 New
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      Translated the table for 1 one person



      Mapenky question - why translated? The process of cooking in the tsarist, and then in the Red Army and the Soviet Army was by no means an individual character.
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 19 March 2013 21: 41 New
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      The diet in SA was about equal in caloric value to the imperial, but more diverse and balanced in carbohydrates and vitamins. In addition, a subsidiary farm was organized at the units (most often pigsties), the so-called "one view" (the result of the work of the farm), which was controlled by the unit commander. "View One" substantially added food to the soldiers' table. In our unit, meat, milk, eggs and vegetables and other rarities were added. With a good commander, they fed hearty and tasty. There are articles on the Internet comparing both diets.
    3. hamster67
      hamster67 3 August 2013 22: 28 New
      +1
      1986-1988 Primorsky Krai Grodekovo 13 UR
      Soldering butter in the morning, 2 slices of white bread
      Bread black as plasticine inside - everyone suffered with heartburn
      Tea with two pieces of sugar in the morning and evening
      Rice, Macaroni Pasta
      Buckwheat in the water
      Pearl barley
      Millet porridge with peas
      Dried boiled pollock
      Dried boiled potatoes or hell knows what - sour powder
      Rotten cabbage borsch 2-3 leaves with tomato paste
      Cooked lard (polar bear meat)
      Although the officers who were on duty at the canteen ate the same thing, there weren’t much pickles.
  28. Takashi
    Takashi 19 March 2013 07: 46 New
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    The big question.
    The question of food (supply), food allowance is an important issue not only from the point of view of maintaining the necessary calorie, but also the question of money (food is not born from the air).
    Even convicts (convicted) - a certain amount of food is put per day (the calculation is per 1 slaughter in grams), and then simply multiply by the total number. There is even a norm in the FSIN.
  29. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 19 March 2013 08: 26 New
    +3
    The author of the article discredits himself with the inability to draw conclusions from what he himself wrote.
    To begin with, we see an extremely opaque and corruptly capacious scheme, when the officers of the unit are in charge PURCHASES provisions, while in the Red Army, in the Civil War, quartermasters knew only the system DISTRIBUTIONS supply, which fundamentally changed their motivation for theft.
    Of course, theft existed, but not on the scale that under the king. Well, do not write off you from, conditionally, 50 tons of beef, half for non-standard. Verification will be, without options, and a purely Soviet phenomenon, as the search for the guilty, too. But if you have money in your hands, then the desire to buy old, spoiled, in other words second-rate beef for a third of the price, and sharing the remaining money between yourself and higher ranks will be unbearably great.
  30. pinecone
    pinecone 19 March 2013 14: 42 New
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    Quote: Klibanophoros
    touched by wine contentment, in honor of the monarchs. Drink a mole for us, loved

    The entire personnel of the ships of the Russian Navy relied on a daily glass of vodka before dinner. Those who refused received monetary compensation.
    1. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 20 March 2013 01: 02 New
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      Uhhh ... what? I'm not at business at all!
  31. knn54
    knn54 19 March 2013 17: 13 New
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    If they fed their army badly, they would have long ago fed someone else's.
  32. Sedoy
    Sedoy 19 March 2013 17: 52 New
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    - meat (beef) at the rate of 5 pounds (2,05 kg.) per day per 10 person.

    those. 200g per soldier
    I don’t know how much was laid in my time, but I haven’t seen meat in the dining room for 2 years :)

    - cabbage 1 / 4 buckets (liters of 3,1) per day per 10 person.

    this was in bulk from morning to evening .. :)

    - potatoes 3,75 garntsa (12,27 liters) per day per person 10

    it was also a troubles, the outfit did not want to clean it with spoons (there are no knives, the machines do not work), so there was little in the boiler
    there was powdered garbage for dinner - they say potatoes ... :)

    - eggs 2 pcs. per day on 10 people.

    on sunday only


    - Butter 1 pound (0,410 kg.) per day per 10 person.

    i.e. 40g, we were given 20


    / demobilization 76-78 may last century / :)
  33. rubber_duck
    rubber_duck 20 March 2013 15: 18 New
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    In general, in the Soviet historiography it was decided to smear black paint everything related to royal times. They also criticized the army, describing the terrible order, dull drill and intolerable everyday life, the hungry everyday life of ordinary Russians Ivanov. But it is worth reading these memoirs here, and you start to think - was it really so awful?

    In general, it would be nice if the author bothered to cite at least a couple of quotes from "Soviet historiography" about "hungry everyday life of ordinary Russian Ivanov." Or was he told about “Soviet historiography” on TV? Judging by the expressions "smear with black paint" and "ordinary Russian Ivanov", this looks very likely.
  34. Dima62M
    Dima62M 24 March 2013 16: 55 New
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    In my time (92-94gg.), The daily allowance per 1 soldier was this (in grams):

    MINISTRY OF DEFENSE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    ORDER
    from 15 October 1992 N 200

    NORM N 1
    GENERAL PACK

    Bread from a mixture of peeled rye and wheat flour 1 grade 350
    White bread from wheat flour 1 grade 400
    Wheat flour 2 grades 10
    Different groats 120
    40 pasta
    Meat 200
    120 fish
    Melted animal fats, margarine <*> 20
    Vegetable oil <*> 20
    Cow butter 30
    Milk cow 100
    Chicken eggs (per week) 4
    Sugar 70
    Food salt 20
    Tea 1,2
    Bay leaf <**> 0,2
    0,3 pepper
    Mustard Powder 0,3
    Vinegar 2
    6 Tomato Paste
    Potatoes and vegetables, total 900
    Including:
    potatoes 600
    cabbage 130
    beetroot 30
    carrots 50
    onion 50
    cucumbers, tomatoes, roots, greens 40
    Fruit and berry juices 50
    or fruit drinks 65
    Kissel concentrate on fruit and berry extracts 30
    or dried fruit 20
    Multivitamin preparation "Hexavit", dragee <***> 1
    <*> To the contingents indicated in subparagraph "b" of Note 2 to this norm, issue melted animal fats, margarine 10 g and vegetable oil 15 g.
    <**> Issue if available.
    <***> Issue from April 15 to June 15.
  35. Dima62M
    Dima62M 24 March 2013 17: 01 New
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    At the end of perestroika, the daily allowance per 1 soldier was as follows:

    Norms of daily allowance of servicemen of the Soviet Army
    Order of the USSR Ministry of Defense No. 445 1990

    Norm No. 1. According to this norm, soldiers and sergeants of military service, soldiers and sergeants of the reserve while at the training camp, soldiers and sergeants of long-term service, and ensigns are fed. This norm is only for the Ground Forces.

    Product Name Quantity per day

    1. Rye-wheat bread 350 gr.
    2. Wheat bread 400g.
    3. Wheat flour (premium or 1 grade) 10g.
    4. Different cereals (rice, millet, buckwheat, barley) 120g.
    5. Pasta 40g.
    6. Meat * 150g.
    7. Fish ** 100g.
    8. Animal fat (margarine) 20g.
    9. Vegetable oil 20g
    10. Butter 30g.
    11. Cow's milk 100g
    12. Chicken eggs 4pcs. (Per week)
    13. Sugar 70g.
    14. Salt 20g.
    15. Tea (tea leaves) 1.2g.
    16. Bay leaf 0.2gr.
    17. Ground pepper (black or red) 0.3g.
    18. Mustard powder 0.3gr.
    19. Vinegar 2g.
    20. Tomato paste 6g.
    21. Potatoes 600g.
    22. Cabbage 130g.
    23. Beets 30g.
    24. Carrots 50g.
    25. Onion 50g.
    26. Cucumbers, tomatoes, herbs 40g.
    27. Fruit or vegetable juice 50g.
    28. Kissel dry / dried fruits 30 / 120gr.
    29. Vitamin "Hexavit" 1 tablet

    * From January 1, 1992 the daily norm of meat is 185 g. , from January 1, 1993 - 200g.
    ** From January 1, 1993, the daily rate of fish is 120 g.

    Supplement to Norm No. 1
    For the personnel of the guard on the escort of military cargo on the railway

    Meat 120g.
    Butter 20gr.
    Sugar 10g.
    For reserve officers at the training camp
    Butter 30gr.
    Cookies 20g.
  36. Dima62M
    Dima62M 24 March 2013 17: 03 New
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    In my time (92-94gg.) The rate of allowance per 1 soldier was (in grams):

    MINISTRY OF DEFENSE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    ORDER
    from 15 October 1992 N 200

    NORM N 1
    GENERAL PACK

    Bread from a mixture of peeled rye and wheat flour 1 grade 350
    White bread from wheat flour 1 grade 400
    Wheat flour 2 grades 10
    Different groats 120
    40 pasta
    Meat 200
    120 fish
    Melted animal fats, margarine <*> 20
    Vegetable oil <*> 20
    Cow butter 30
    Milk cow 100
    Chicken eggs (per week) 4
    Sugar 70
    Food salt 20
    Tea 1,2
    Bay leaf <**> 0,2
    0,3 pepper
    Mustard Powder 0,3
    Vinegar 2
    6 Tomato Paste
    Potatoes and vegetables, total 900
    Including:
    potatoes 600
    cabbage 130
    beetroot 30
    carrots 50
    onion 50
    cucumbers, tomatoes, roots, greens 40
    Fruit and berry juices 50
    or fruit drinks 65
    Kissel concentrate on fruit and berry extracts 30
    or dried fruit 20
    Multivitamin preparation "Hexavit", dragee <***> 1
    <*> To the contingents indicated in subparagraph "b" of Note 2 to this norm, issue melted animal fats, margarine 10 g and vegetable oil 15 g.
    <**> Issue if available.
    <***> Issue from April 15 to June 15.
  37. stprapor2009
    stprapor2009 8 January 2017 14: 18 New
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    I can’t say how things are now, but in the 90s, soldiers of the Russian army, in comparison with the Imperial Army, couldn’t say enough to eat up the last century.
  38. captain
    captain 31 January 2017 18: 43 New
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    I read the comments, I agree with some, it all depended on the unit commander. Some are not, but I can tell you a case in Afghanistan. I then served in the 781 ORB in Afghanistan .. There were RDR company companies. On this day, the company that I commanded refused to get dry support for the operation, tin cans were swollen. Deputy lieutenant colonel Belkin and deputy intelligence officer Slepenkov raised a cry that the company was out of place. Take off. Division NS Colonel Kasymov looked at me as an enemy of the people and went into the company. When he saw the bloated cans of canned food, he called the food superintendent. The NS Kosymov’s divisions and the nach food were ethnic Uzbeks. Kasymom barked at the nach food, calling him a chock, to which he replied that he was not a chock, but an Uzbek. Kasymov roared and corrected him; THIS IS I (KASYMOV) Uzbek, and you are a lump. The deputy chief and political officer of our battalion modestly said nothing and quietly disappeared. Everything depended both then (under the king) and then (under the USSR) on the commander, although there were cases. that defeating the rear and thieves was impossible. Everything depended on officers and warrant officers. Or rather, from their conscience.