Soviet heritage of Kazakhstan

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The twentieth anniversary of Kazakhstan’s independence seems to be an ideal reason for rethinking the legacy of the Soviet regime. However, given the current realities, the discussion of this issue seems premature. You need at least ten or twenty years, because too many people still keep memories of Soviet times. At the same time, almost every Kazakh citizen is directly connected with both positive and negative aspects of the Soviet legacy. In this regard, it is not easy for people to form a common opinion about what benefits the republic and its population have gained from more than seven decades of existence of the USSR. Foreign observers, including me, are also subject to the influence of positive and negative assessments of this historical period.

Soviet heritage of Kazakhstan


Attitudes toward the Soviet legacy imply the existence of judgments on a very wide range of issues, especially if someone defines the USSR as something more than just the continuation of Tsarist colonial Russia. Such an understanding of the problem is not so rare. Those who share it are very wary of the policy of the Russian Federation to create “special” relations with Kazakhstan and implying the right of Russia to control certain processes in Kazakhstan and Central Asia as a whole. Very often, these people criticize the use of the Russian language in the media, public places and everyday life, because, they believe, this somewhat reduces the role and status of the Kazakh language as the state language of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

Meanwhile, many citizens of Kazakhstan, it is difficult to say what percentage of the total population of the country, remember the Soviet period with warmth, consciously separating the USSR from colonial Tsarist Russia. It would seem that such an attitude is more characteristic of representatives of non-Kazakh ethnicity, and not necessarily Russians. However, Kazakhs are also subject to nostalgia for the Soviet times, mostly from those state and collective farm workers who failed to switch to a market economy or entered pension or pre-pension age at the time of the collapse of the USSR. All of them were simply not ready for the collapse of a strong welfare state. Doctors, teachers and former military in some cases can also be assigned to this category. Many of them regret the loss of the opportunity to change their social status, which, in their opinion, was one of the features of the Soviet regime, as well as respect and relatively better remuneration, which they, as representatives of their professions, enjoyed in the USSR. Often, their opinions are shared by former members and activists of the CPSU, who believe that the modern political ideology of Kazakhstan should have more Soviet ideals, as well as some members of the national minorities of Kazakhstan who are nostalgic for Marxist internationalism.

The key issue that separates Kazakhstani society is whether the USSR was another embodiment of Russian imperialism, albeit with a new ideology, or was it an ideologically consolidated multinational state, in which the majority of peoples and ethnic groups had ample opportunities in political, economic and social life.

There is no simple answer to this question. The borders of the USSR after the Second World War largely corresponded to the borders of the Russian Empire, but the Soviet political system was completely different. It was a vertically integrated political structure, providing some ethno-territorial decentralization. Ethnic minorities living in the ethnoterritorial subjects of the USSR under their own names enjoyed some degree of ethno-linguistic autonomy. Of course, more in union than in autonomous associations, and more in large mono-ethnic than in multinational union republics. The Kazakh SSR was the most multinational of all the Soviet republics, and ethnic Kazakhs even constituted a minority in the territory that bore their name.

Nevertheless, the ethnic Kazakh Dinmukhammed Kunaev, who for a long time served as the first secretary of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan, for 20 years was a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, the body that de facto ruled the USSR. Mr. Kunaev was the only Central Asian representative ever appointed member of the Politburo. In addition, only a limited number of figures spent such a long time at their posts in the post-Stalinist USSR.

The future historians will give an objective assessment of the pros and cons of the Kunaev rule. They will determine whether Moscow took away too much from the republic and how much it gave back. But it is indisputable that the foundations of the economic diversification of Kazakhstan were laid during the years of the rule of D. A. Kunaev. Almaty has acquired a modern cosmopolitan look with the preservation of vast green areas, a huge country has invested substantial funds in the development of education and the creation of new infrastructure in the republic. All this happened during the period, the last years of which will be called “stagnation”. It was then that the future president of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, acquired the status of a significant figure in the political establishment of the Kazakh SSR.

But even in this period of relative well-being, the Kazakhs did not have the opportunity to turn to the “white spots” of their stories, especially the part that studied the repression of Stalinism. While the peoples of the USSR suffered from three decades of I. Stalin's rule, the pain and grief of the Kazakh people were especially acute due to the mass extinction of the rural population during the years of collectivization.

Like the Ukrainians, the Kazakhs can view Stalin’s agrarian policy as a form of genocide, implying that the collectivization goal was to destroy the Kazakhs and Ukrainians in order to liberate their territories in order to settle them in Russian and organize new, collective forms of agriculture. However, I have never found any evidence that the policy of collectivization in Kazakhstan, as well as in any other area of ​​the USSR, was aimed at the destruction of ethnic groups. In turn, there is no doubt that this policy was aimed at eliminating the traditional Kazakh economy and with it the traditional way of life of the Kazakhs. And in the process of implementing collectivization plans, Soviet officials destroyed more than half of all Kazakh households and more than 80 percent. cattle, which served as the foundation for the economy and traditional culture of the Kazakhs.

Collectivization was carried out according to the principle “the end justifies the means”, regardless of human sacrifices. The main goal was the production of wheat - an export product - to provide funds for the Soviet industrialization. Therefore, even when it became clear that collective agriculture was worth millions of lives, Moscow continued to mercilessly speed up work in this direction.

Thus, despite the fact that collectivization did not pursue the goal of exterminating peoples, the consequences were just that. Collectivization was followed by political repression of the 1930s. In Kazakhstan, rare exceptions are families whose senior representatives did not die in the process of collectivization or repression. Countless families died out completely, leaving no one who could restore their names today. This explains the essence of collective grief - the Kazakhs had to wait several generations to reach the demographic potential corresponding to the end of the 1920s.

The historical study of this period is a difficult task, despite the availability of archives of that time. The policy of collectivization and repression was planned in Moscow, but was embodied locally by local personnel - representatives of all nationalities, both Kazakh and non-Kazakh. Their descendants - citizens of modern Kazakhstan - live and participate in many aspects of the life of the republic.

Thus, almost any issue of joint Russian-Kazakhstan history is controversial. One of the exceptions can be called the Second World War, or, otherwise, the Great Patriotic War, in which about half a million Kazakhstanis fought and thousands of them died. The recognition of this sacrifice united various views on history. Among other things, it was during the war years that the first serious industrialization campaign began in the republic, and it also contributed to the ethnic diversity of Kazakhstani society.

Undoubtedly, the results of the policy pursued by Nikita Khrushchev are still controversial. The campaign for the development of virgin lands led the Kazakh cattle breeders to the side of life and once again changed the ethnic balance in the republic. But after the first “bumpy” few years, rain-fed agriculture was firmly established in the economy of Kazakhstan and at the moment is an important sector of the economy of an independent state, ensuring its diversification.

Khrushchev's policy of reviving the communist ideology is also controversial. While the thaw begun at the 20th CPSU Congress led to the liberation and rehabilitation of many victims of Stalinist repression, many unsubstantiated national heroes remained. Khrushchev's appeal to the XXII Congress of the CPSU about the need for the movement of the USSR towards true internationalism through the “rapprochement and merging” of peoples or, in fact, mixing different ethnic groups was even more controversial. Along with the majority of other nations, the Kazakhs perceived this appeal as a call for “Russification”. At the same time, the Russians were also critical, considering such a policy to be the end of Russian culture and national identity.

In general, the objectives of the Soviet national policy, in terms of the ideological component and its implementation, are among the most difficult issues in the history of the Soviet regime. Consider, for example, language policy. In Soviet times, the Kazakhs and other peoples of the Soviet Union gained access to good education. In spite of the difficulties and distortions that existed at that time, which were allowed in presenting the history of the development of the culture of the USSR, there were also opportunities to receive world-class education in mathematics and other basic sciences, as well as in the humanitarian sphere. The Kazakhs, representing all social and economic sectors of the population, took advantage of the benefits and subsequently some of them achieved international recognition for their achievements. Literacy in Kazakhstan has been and remains polls, which is not even today in the former colonies of Great Britain, in the same India and Pakistan.

At the same time, not all Kazakhs were fluent in the Kazakh language and very few representatives of other ethnic groups inhabiting Kazakhstan could speak, read and write in Kazakh. The latter circumstance is the source of quite definite discontent among the Kazakhs. For example, in neighboring Uzbekistan, the Uzbek language has occupied a dominant position in public life as a means of written and oral communication. But, despite all the imbalances in language policy, the Kazakh language in its written expression was formed precisely in the Soviet period. While many Kazakh nationalists who advocated the development of the Kazakh language, died during the repression, others were able to continue and significantly expand the range of intellectual products produced in the Kazakh language, as well as expanded the technical component of the language.

The years of Gorbachev’s rule, with which many Soviet people pinned some hopes, became years of frustration for many Kazakhs, who believed that the policy of publicity and restructuring did not ensure justice. Many Kazakhs felt like the victims of the anti-corruption campaign of the Communist Party. The protest of youth against the displacement of D. Kunaev G. Kolbin, Russian not from Kazakhstan, was forever imprinted in the historical memory of Kazakhstan and is closely associated with December 16 - Independence Day. Popular among the people, Prime Minister N. Nazarbayev was not only circumvented by the appointment of Kolbin, but also deprived of the opportunity to stop the ousting of old party workers from the government bodies of the republic.

Those years nevertheless became an important period in the history of Kazakhstan. The first Kazakh informal, and then non-governmental organizations voiced a large number of social and political demands. The Nevada-Semipalatinsk movement drew attention to the glaring price paid by Kazakhstan and its population for the presence of nuclear and chemical military facilities on its territory, while other environmental organizations discussed the death of the Aral Sea and the predatory exploitation of natural resources, while completely ignoring the health of those involved in the process.

Gorbachev apparently revised his previous assessment of N. Nazarbayev, appointing him the head of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan 22 June 1989, just a few days after the riots in Uzen. In the last years of Soviet power, Nazarbayev acquired the status of an all-union figure, since he was looking for opportunities to preserve the USSR in a way in which he would meet the ethno-national, economic and political interests of the Union republics, and especially Kazakhstan. Nazarbayev’s policy from June 1989 to December 1991 demonstrates that he was aware of the complexity of the Soviet legacy and understood that the Soviet system was collapsing. But he also understood well and repeatedly repeated during all 20 years of his presidency that the specificity of the historical, cultural and geographical interrelations of Russia and Kazakhstan does not depend on whether they are politically a single entity, like the Soviet Union, or independent states.
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  1. 0
    18 March 2013 06: 16
    Judging by the article, was the great Jambul also a nationalist?
  2. fenix57
    -9
    18 March 2013 06: 18
    Under the USSR, Kazakhstan was promoted; it was needed. And now it is therefore necessary that Russia conducts a conversation with him (forcedly). Otherwise, it would be like with Georgia: they would send, and forget. hi
    1. Alexander
      +18
      18 March 2013 07: 15
      He also compared ... Kazakhstan, firstly, in 2008 did not attack anyone. Secondly, Nazabaev maintains a normal dialogue with Russia, and does not vyzhivaetsya and does not ask for gas in vain (although there is nothing to do with gas, KZ has its own bulk). So why should Russia make another enemy out of a good friend?
      1. +6
        18 March 2013 11: 18
        In relations with neighbors, it is always better to have a bad peace than a good war. Nazarbayev as Old Man)))) Respect to him, does not go on about the West. The whole west screams about the Russian colony. And he is WEST whose colony? It seems American))))
  3. +8
    18 March 2013 06: 22
    Quote: strenadk
    Mr. Kunaev was the only representative of Central Asia ever appointed to the Politburo.

    That’s your lie: D. Amanbaev, S. Niyazov, the same Nursultan Nazarbayev and others. With which finger the article is sucked - it’s not clear .... A clear minus
    1. +8
      18 March 2013 06: 36
      Which finger sucked the article - not clear
      The article is sucked out of an American finger. And there will never be respect for our country, nor for its great history.
      1. Goga
        +8
        18 March 2013 07: 25
        smel - Colleague - quote - "The article has been sucked from an American finger" - it seems to me that it was not a finger at all ... feel
        And seriously - another Natsik - evil Russians starved the Ukrainians and, as it turned out now, Kazakhs into collectivization! And at that time they themselves were apparently fattening ... only how many millions of people died in Russia proper, especially in the Volga region and the Urals - no one wants to count? Their cattle have fallen, but what about only Kazakhs? Throughout the country, this organization of "kibuttsy" killed cattle like no war - and what is Stalin again? Well, nafig, Stalin came to almost sole power in 1934, and these Jewish numbers with collectivization began in the 20s, Bukharin put a pen, and he was not alone ... And the IS, in fact, with its article "Dizziness with Success" just stopped the most zealous collectivizers, and thus saved many people from ruin and expulsion.
        1. +13
          18 March 2013 07: 43
          Quote: Gogh
          another natsik

          - Is it difficult to read the name of the author?
          Quote: Gogh
          Their cattle fell, and what only among the Kazakhs?

          - everyone fell, the trouble is that in addition to raising livestock, the Kazakhs did not have other skills and other property. Unfortunately, there was a famine, but Kazakhstanis are not waking up this issue, they simply honor the memory of the dead, and that’s all.
          1. Goga
            +4
            18 March 2013 08: 10
            aksakal - Greetings, Colleague, the famine of the nationality did not make sense, but the Kazakh cattle breeders had no other sources of food left in the steppe with death or selection of cattle, because the farmer was a Ukrainian, Russian or Tatar, when the seed grain was taken away - and he and the family were doomed to death - hence the Antonov uprising in the Tambov region and the wild famine in Ukraine, the Volga region and the Urals - but to present these crimes of the Judeo-Bolsheviks against the entire people of our country as Russia's crimes against the Ukrainians or Kazakhs is deliberate meanness - from this "Holodomor" in Russia killed millions .... I have been to Kazakhstan many times and never in conversations such a formulation of the question - like you made us hunger, there was no - where does this dirty trick come from now, from such "guardians" for the Kazakh people like this Author or what?
            1. AndreyAB
              +2
              18 March 2013 12: 56
              Yes, these guardians for the people of Kazakhstan and one pigsty with our guardians for the Russian people that they hate.
  4. Kaa
    +20
    18 March 2013 07: 20
    Let's not forget it... "At the beginning of the war, fascist Germany occupied important economic regions of the USSR, where over 40% of the population lived, 68% of pig iron, 58% of steel, 60% of aluminum, 38% of grain were produced, 63% of coal was mined. In these conditions, the role of Kazakhstan in production increased dramatically. coal, oil, non-ferrous and ferrous metals, agricultural and machine-building products 1942 evacuated enterprises arrived in the republic in the middle of autumn 142 and were located in various cities of Kazakhstan. in Semipalatinsk - Kiev, Azov and Artyomovsk shoe factories, etc., in Atyrau - an oil equipment plant, etc., in Akmol - Orekhovsky motor repair plant, etc., in Shymkent - Voronezh machine-tool plant (automatic presses) and DR-, in Aktobe - a plant for X-ray equipment and many others .. A large capital construction of objects that were directly related to the supply of the front was launched in the republic. the emphasis was on the accelerated development of non-ferrous and ferrous metallurgy, coal industry, electric power industry, etc. During the war, the Donskoy chromite mine, the Aktobinsky ferroalloy plant - the firstborn of the ferrous metallurgy of Kazakhstan, the Zhezdinsky manganese mine were put into operation, the construction of the Tekeli lead-zinc and Ust-Kamenogorsk zinc plant and many others began. Taking into account the important strategic importance of raw materials of Kazakhstan during the war years, capital investments were mainly directed to the development of the fuel and energy and metallurgical complexes. As a result, in 1945 the gross industrial output in comparison with 1940 increased by 37%. Production for 1941-45 increased by 1,5 times, coal by more than 1,7 times. Kazakhstan provided 30% of the all-Union copper smelting, 50% of the extraction of copper ore, 60% of the manganese ore and produced 85% of the all-Union lead. The capacities of light and food industries were growing, the products of which were supplied to the army and the population. The volume of light industry products increased by 77%, meat and dairy - by 30%. Http://ibrain.kz/mod/book/print.php? Id = 240 & chapterid = 1796
    “It was often said: nine out of ten bullets during the war were drained from the lead produced in our country. And this is true. Kazakhstan produced 60% of molybdenum, 65% of metallic bismuth, 79% of polymetallic ores of the Union. At a time when the front was in dire need of such rare metals such as manganese, molybdenum, the Zhezdinsky mine near Zhezkazgan was put into operation within 37 days. There was no equipment at the front that did not have Kazakh metal. And, FINALLY, THIS: The mobilization level of the republic was higher compared to Germany, which fought in two fronts If the Germans mobilized 12% of the population, then in Kazakhstan it exceeded 24% http: //www.karakesek.ru/content/0/read62.html.
    1. +12
      18 March 2013 07: 44
      Quote: Kaa
      Let's not forget this.

      - Respect, KAA.
      1. Goga
        +11
        18 March 2013 08: 17
        Kaa, aksakal - Colleagues, but the contribution of Kazakhstan to the Victory causes only pride for our older generation. So now - what would be the Customs Union without Kazakhstan? And the EurAsEC is generally the idea of ​​N. A. N.! And let these Authors from Washington go along the forest road ...
        1. +8
          18 March 2013 09: 37
          Quote: Gogh
          And let these Authors from Washington go along the forest road ...

          I agree. Another attempt to drive a wedge into the relations of Russians and Kazakhs. Will not pass.
          There are deep reasons for the close friendship between our peoples - according to Gumilev - the complementarity of mentality. For centuries we have been living next to each other. While preserving our uniqueness, we (not taking into account the Nazis frostbite on our heads on both sides) respect the customs, faith, and lifestyle of our neighbors.
          Good research on this issue - "National and cultural specifics of the implementation of the concept of" hospitality "on the material of the Kazakh, Russian and English languages" -Zhabaeva, Saule Sagintayevna, dissertation.
          I can also advise, if interested - "Linguistic consciousness and features of its manifestation among representatives of the Russian and Kazakh ethnic groups (sociolinguistic and psycholinguistic aspects)" -Shayakhmetova Aisulu Alkeshovna, also a candidate's dissertation.
        2. +4
          18 March 2013 15: 31
          Greetings to all, + Dear !!!
  5. +3
    18 March 2013 07: 43
    What does the Soviet regime mean? In which department is this terminology prompted? By the way, the "colonial policy of tsarist Russia" put an end to the constant bloody wars of the Kazakhs with the Dzungars and not only with them. The "colonial policy of China" in the 18th century also played a huge role in reconciliation in this part of Asia.
    1. +4
      18 March 2013 09: 10
      [quote = Humpty] What does the Soviet regime mean? Which department prompts such terminology?

      Martha Brill Alcott is co-director of al-Farabi Carnegie Central Asia Project. M. Alcott, a specialist in Central Asia and the Caspian region, as well as international relations in the former Soviet republics, has been with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace since 1995. She is also a co-chair of the Religion, Society and Security program at the Carnegie Moscow Center and professor emerita political science, Colgate University.

      Previously, she served as Special Advisor to US Secretary of State Lawrence S. Eagleburger and Director of the American Enterprise Support Fund for Central Asia.

      M. Alcott is the author of numerous books on the problems of Central Asia, in particular, “The Difficult Path of Development of Tajikistan” (Carnegie Endowment, 2012), “In the Whirlwind of Jihad” (Carnegie Endowment, 2012), “Second Chance of Central Asia” (Carnegie Endowment, 2005), “Kazakhstan: An Unfulfilled Path” (Carnegie Endowment, 2003), “Misunderstanding: Regional Cooperation and the Commonwealth of Independent States,” co-authored by A. Oslund and S. Garnett (Carnegie Endowment, 1999), “Russia after Communism” - joint edition with A. Oslund (Carnegie Endowment, 1999).
      This is where it comes from. At first glance, the article was written kindly, sort of with knowledge of the essence of the matter. But, here are numerous discrepancies negated the first impression of the article.
      1. Marek Rozny
        +3
        24 March 2013 21: 54
        Martha Brill Alcott's all materials on Kazakhs, Russians leave an ambiguous impression. On the one hand, a deep knowledge of materials (in my opinion, she is the best expert on Kazakh culture, history and modern Kazakhstan in the West), and on the other hand, an unpleasant aftertaste still remains. Nuances, nuances, nuances.
    2. avt
      -2
      18 March 2013 09: 40
      Quote: Humpty
      What does the Soviet regime mean? In which department is this terminology prompted? By the way, the "colonial policy of tsarist Russia" put an end to the constant bloody wars of the Kazakhs with the Dzungars and not only with them. The "colonial policy of China" in the 18th century also played a huge role in reconciliation in this part of Asia.

      Least of all "common people" are concerned about the historical truth and the well-being of people, especially some "natives" in distant Kazakhstan. The author competently encourages the national consciousness in a certain direction, by the way, there was information that signatures against the customs union are already being collected in Kazakhstan, so it’s quite an ideological backing up to prevent development with evil “colonizers.” But in general, nothing good, I think the region is at ease At one time, one person who worked closely with the locals in Afghanistan told me that when they began to withdraw the troops, the locals told him that we were taking the war with us.
      1. +6
        18 March 2013 11: 05
        yes ... they collect, our ardent opposition, so to speak, on which 90% of the population deeply and sincerely sneeze.
        1. Marek Rozny
          +2
          24 March 2013 21: 58
          let the opposition be pampered. they don’t get used to embarrassment. among the people, no one knows them at all, and does not support them, essno.
          Our opponents are under state protection, along with other rare animals.
    3. Marek Rozny
      +3
      24 March 2013 21: 56
      Humpty, there is no merit to the Russian Empire that the Kazakhs have closed the "Dzungar factor" for themselves. Russia did not influence the Kazakh-Dzungarian relations in any way. Wars went on after the Kazakh sultans had sworn allegiance to Russia.
      Well, it’s already tired of recalling that Russia supplied weapons to the Dzhungars, which was openly written about in the TSB in Soviet times.
  6. vladsolo56
    0
    18 March 2013 08: 36
    After such articles, the earthquake in Tashkent in 1966 often comes to mind, the devastation was catastrophic, and the whole Soviet Union sent all the republics builders to Uzbekistan, materials to restore the capital of Uzbekistan. The country has invested huge amounts of money in this work. And where is the gratitude? and okay, only now it’s thought that something similar happens now, who will help them, will it help for free and for free? Who will gather and go at the call of his heart to restore cities and villages?
    Somehow I think no one. It’s now while everything is quiet and everything seems to be safe, every little shah or khan, it doesn’t matter, it’s pouring slop on Russia, but how will you press and see who they will go for help to, to America or maybe to the EU? and how they will be helped
  7. -7
    18 March 2013 09: 49
    if it weren’t for the Soviet heritage, Kazakhs would still have lived in semi-feudal society in yurts
    1. +10
      18 March 2013 11: 09
      If there were fewer such "truthful thinkers", the relations between our countries would be even better.
    2. Marek Rozny
      +3
      25 March 2013 07: 18
      Ragnarok
      read about the politicians of non-Bolshevik Kazakhstan after 1917 - Alikhan Bukeikhanov, Akhmet Baitursynov, Mustafa Shokai, Myrzhakyp Dulatov and others (Alash-Orda). Maybe then you will stop talking nonsense about "semi-feudal society".
  8. +14
    18 March 2013 09: 56
    During the Second World War, about 1,3 million people left Kazakhstan for the front, of which 400 to 600 thousand died according to various estimates. The article provides underestimated figures. I remember that in childhood, in the company of the friends of my deceased grandmother (6-7 people), only one husband returned from the war, all the others, including my grandfather, died or were missing.
    1. avt
      -4
      18 March 2013 15: 17
      The authorities of Alma-Ata want to "remove" from the memorial of Glory to the Panfilov heroes the catch phrase of the political instructor Vasily Klochkov "Russia is great, and there is nowhere to retreat, Moscow is behind", ----------- this is today on IA REGNUM) posted, I do not know the truth or provocation, but the idea of ​​"colonialists" is quite well taken root in young national states. ”Here the Uzbeks have already dismantled the monument to Soviet soldiers.
      Quote: Nomad
      During the Second World War, about 1,3 million people left Kazakhstan for the front, of which 400 to 600 thousand died according to various estimates.

      The memory of the Heroes will be washed out drop by drop, etching everything Soviet.
      1. +3
        19 March 2013 07: 48
        Not subject to correction!
        The first reports that the idea of ​​abandoning the immortal phrase of political instructor Vasily KLOCHKOV “Great Russia, but nowhere to retreat behind Moscow!”, Which adorns the Glory Memorial at the Eternal Flame in Almaty, appeared in Russian news agencies in 1975 appeared in Russian news agencies. .

        Our colleagues, citing “own sources” in public associations of veterans, reported: allegedly at the initiative of the Department of Internal Policy of the Almaty Akimat, Klochkov’s catch phrase will be replaced with “more neutral”. Moreover, according to Russian journalists, three options for the future inscription have already been proposed: “The feat of the Kazakhstanis is a heritage for the people, an example for generations”, “Eternal peace to the heroes of Kazakhstan!” and “The feat of the Kazakhstanis who fought for their homeland, we will remember forever.”
        However, as our correspondent found out, neither the domestic policy department, nor any other structure of the akimat of Almaty, encroached on the words of the legendary political instructor.

        The author of the “sensation” is the head of the Almaty branch of the RPO “Organization of Veterans” Yerengaip SHAIKHUTDINOV.
        It was on his signature on March 14, 2013 that a letter of the following content was sent to veteran organizations of the southern capital:
        “In connection with the completion of the reconstruction of the memorial at the Eternal Flame in the park named after It is proposed that the 28 Panfilov Guardsmen from the Almaty City Department of Culture establish the following texts to be installed on the memorial (highlighted by me. The following three options are listed below. - A. A.) ...
        ... We ask you to discuss these options with the asset and by March 20 of this year inform your proposals with the subsequent direction of the optimal option to the city akimat. ”

        We called the deputy head of the culture department Yerbolat AUEZOV.
        - The question of renaming the memorial is a duck. This is a historical monument, which was restored to give its original appearance. Yes, we are receiving proposals from individual veterans of the Great Patriotic War on replacing the inscription, but today it is not even discussed, ”Mr. Auezov assured our correspondent.
        1. 0
          19 March 2013 08: 03
          http://www.time.kz/up_img/ispravleniyu_ne_1.jpg
        2. +5
          19 March 2013 08: 04

          Memorial in the Park of 28 Panfilo Guards
      2. 0
        19 March 2013 07: 49
        We managed to get through to the “chief veteran” of Almaty (which, incidentally, was not even 1941 years old in 8). Mr. Shaikhutdinov stated literally the following:
        - In principle, it is logical to attribute the words of the unforgettable Klochkov to any region of the former USSR, since representatives of all Union republics, including the Kazakh SSR, fought in the war. But we must capture the feat of the Kazakhstanis at the Memorial of Glory at the Eternal Flame. How do you think? In no way does this humiliate Klochkov’s words. Are the bad words “The feat of the Kazakhstanis who fought for their homeland, we will remember forever”?

        - Yerengaip Malikovich, what does the department of culture of Almaty have to do with history with renaming?
        - No need to seek out and politicize! I will not speak in the affirmative with regard to the management of culture, but let us as reasonable people approach this proposal wisely. To resolve the issue, we sent letters to seven districts to find out the majority opinion. No one will command imperiously and unequivocally - we will decide everything collectively.

        In the end, Mr. Shaikhutdinov promised: after celebrating Nauryz, he will inform the Vremya newspaper about the reaction of the city's veteran public to his proposal. And we will certainly tell the readers of our newspaper about this.

        Alexandra ALEKHOVA, Almaty

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        You can’t rewrite history

        “We consider this idea blasphemous,” says Sergey PASHEVICH, president of the Union of Local Wars and Military Conflicts Veterans of Combat Brotherhood. - We have already sent Mr. Shaikhutdinov our categorical answer: new inscriptions are not permissible, since this will violate not only the law on the protection of monuments, but also all ethical and legal norms! You can’t rewrite history, so the immortal words of Vasily Klochkov must remain in place! By the way, before the reconstruction, we were promised: no changes will be made to the historical monument.

        proof
        http://www.time.kz/articles/zloba/2013/03/19/ispravleniju-ne-podlezhit
      3. 0
        19 March 2013 07: 50
        Not subject to correction!

        The first reports that the idea of ​​abandoning the immortal phrase of political instructor Vasily KLOCHKOV “Great Russia, but nowhere to retreat behind Moscow!”, Which adorns the Glory Memorial at the Eternal Flame in Almaty, appeared in Russian news agencies in 1975 appeared in Russian news agencies. .

        Our colleagues, citing “own sources” in public associations of veterans, reported: allegedly at the initiative of the Department of Internal Policy of the Almaty Akimat, Klochkov’s catch phrase will be replaced with “more neutral”. Moreover, according to Russian journalists, three options for the future inscription have already been proposed: “The feat of the Kazakhstanis is a heritage for the people, an example for generations”, “Eternal peace to the heroes of Kazakhstan!” and “The feat of the Kazakhstanis who fought for their homeland, we will remember forever.”
        However, as our correspondent found out, neither the domestic policy department, nor any other structure of the akimat of Almaty, encroached on the words of the legendary political instructor.

        The author of the “sensation” is the head of the Almaty branch of the RPO “Organization of Veterans” Yerengaip SHAIKHUTDINOV.
        It was on his signature on March 14, 2013 that a letter of the following content was sent to veteran organizations of the southern capital:
        “In connection with the completion of the reconstruction of the memorial at the Eternal Flame in the park named after It is proposed that the 28 Panfilov Guardsmen from the Almaty City Department of Culture establish the following texts to be installed on the memorial (highlighted by me. The following three options are listed below. - A. A.) ...
        ... We ask you to discuss these options with the asset and by March 20 of this year inform your proposals with the subsequent direction of the optimal option to the city akimat. ”
      4. 0
        19 March 2013 07: 53
        Not subject to correction!

        The first reports that the idea of ​​abandoning the immortal phrase of political instructor Vasily KLOCHKOV “Great Russia, but nowhere to retreat behind Moscow!”, Which adorns the Glory Memorial at the Eternal Flame in Almaty, appeared in Russian news agencies in 1975 appeared in Russian news agencies. .

        Our colleagues, citing “own sources” in public associations of veterans, reported: allegedly at the initiative of the Department of Internal Policy of the Almaty Akimat, Klochkov’s catch phrase will be replaced with “more neutral”. Moreover, according to Russian journalists, three options for the future inscription have already been proposed: “The feat of the Kazakhstanis is a heritage for the people, an example for generations”, “Eternal peace to the heroes of Kazakhstan!” and “The feat of the Kazakhstanis who fought for their homeland, we will remember forever.”
        However, as our correspondent found out, neither the domestic policy department, nor any other structure of the akimat of Almaty, encroached on the words of the legendary political instructor.

        The author of the “sensation” is the head of the Almaty branch of the RPO “Organization of Veterans” Yerengaip SHAIKHUTDINOV.
        It was on his signature on March 14, 2013 that a letter of the following content was sent to veteran organizations of the southern capital:
        “In connection with the completion of the reconstruction of the memorial at the Eternal Flame in the park named after It is proposed that the 28 Panfilov Guardsmen from the Almaty City Department of Culture establish the following texts to be installed on the memorial (highlighted by me. The following three options are listed below. - A. A.) ...
        ... We ask you to discuss these options with the asset and by March 20 of this year inform your proposals with the subsequent direction of the optimal option to the city akimat. ”
        We called the deputy head of the culture department Yerbolat AUEZOV.
        - The question of renaming the memorial is a duck. This is a historical monument, which was restored to give its original appearance. Yes, we are receiving proposals from individual veterans of the Great Patriotic War on replacing the inscription, but today it is not even discussed, ”Mr. Auezov assured our correspondent.
        We managed to get through to the “chief veteran” of Almaty (which, incidentally, was not even 1941 years old in 8). Mr. Shaikhutdinov stated literally the following:
        - In principle, it is logical to attribute the words of the unforgettable Klochkov to any region of the former USSR, since representatives of all Union republics, including the Kazakh SSR, fought in the war. But we must capture the feat of the Kazakhstanis at the Memorial of Glory at the Eternal Flame. How do you think? In no way does this humiliate Klochkov’s words. Are the bad words “The feat of the Kazakhstanis who fought for their homeland, we will remember forever”?

        - Yerengaip Malikovich, what does the department of culture of Almaty have to do with history with renaming?
        - No need to seek out and politicize! I will not speak in the affirmative with regard to the management of culture, but let us as reasonable people approach this proposal wisely. To resolve the issue, we sent letters to seven districts to find out the majority opinion. No one will command imperiously and unequivocally - we will decide everything collectively.

        In the end, Mr. Shaikhutdinov promised: after celebrating Nauryz, he will inform the Vremya newspaper about the reaction of the city's veteran public to his proposal. And we will certainly tell the readers of our newspaper about this.

        Alexandra ALEKHOVA, Almaty

        Comment on the topic

        You can’t rewrite history

        “We consider this idea blasphemous,” says Sergey PASHEVICH, president of the Union of Local Wars and Military Conflicts Veterans of Combat Brotherhood. - We have already sent Mr. Shaikhutdinov our categorical answer: new inscriptions are not permissible, since this will violate not only the law on the protection of monuments, but also all ethical and legal norms! You can’t rewrite history, so the immortal words of Vasily Klochkov must remain in place! By the way, before the reconstruction, we were promised: no changes will be made to the historical monument.
    2. Marek Rozny
      +6
      25 March 2013 07: 14
      Nomad, well done, that drew attention to the understated figures regarding the called up Kazakhstani people. Formally, it is believed that during the war years, one out of four Kazakhstanis went to the front, but those who were drafted into the army before the war have not yet been taken into account, but with them it turns out that almost every third Kazakhstani was with weapons at the front. In fact, all the men of Kazakhstan went to war; in the Kazakh SSR, only women and children really remained. Even republican ministers went to the front as commissars of national divisions.
      I think I will not be mistaken if I say that Kazakhstan gave the largest number of those mobilized as a percentage of its number.

      Z.Y. There were more Kazakhs at the front than Americans. So spit Kazakhs at their thought that they won the war.
  9. +1
    18 March 2013 10: 01
    http://regnum.ru/news/russia/1636862.html#ixzz2NrRarhKQ
    here is such a new idea .... in memory of the Great War, sad however
    1. Marek Rozny
      +5
      24 March 2013 22: 00
      regnum is a site from Armenia, they like to look for ducks and poop associated with the Turks. but at the same time they make a very intelligent face.
  10. +5
    18 March 2013 10: 06
    Quote: Humpty
    By the way, the "colonial policy of tsarist Russia" put an end to the constant bloody wars of the Kazakhs with the Dzungars and not only with them.

    Yah!? Do you know that Russia supplied these very jungars with firearms? Question - why? The war with the Dzungars stopped after the Kazakhs broke them by the middle of 18 contrary to the plans of Russia and China, and soon (in 1758, if I am not mistaken), China slaughtered almost all the Dzungars.
  11. fenix57
    -1
    18 March 2013 10: 47
    Quote: fenix57
    And now, therefore, it is necessary that Russia conducts a conversation with him (forcibly

    Quote: Ragnarek
    if it weren’t for the Soviet heritage, Kazakhs would still have lived in semi-feudal society in yurts

    See the borders ....... Unfortunately ... THEREFORE AND FORCED RUSSIA .....
  12. in reserve
    +2
    18 March 2013 12: 13
    And who coined the term "colonial Russia" are again Washington's henchmen. If the USSR had not created national republics, there might not have been these independent states now, and, accordingly, there would be no problems on a national basis.
    1. Marek Rozny
      +4
      24 March 2013 22: 02
      the phrase "colonial policy" was also used in Soviet textbooks when describing the tsarist policy in Turkestan. You either forgot or haven't read it.
  13. Rrrrr
    +6
    18 March 2013 13: 41
    I demand to return the nationality to registered users of the site !!! Where are the country flags? Is someone afraid of something, or is it easier for some foreigners to fool us and make trouble? Return the flags !!!
  14. 0
    18 March 2013 15: 03
    Was it coincidental: the accusation and the elimination of Kunaev, the appointment of Kolbin and the subsequent unrest, which ceased after the appointment of Nazarbayev, and then he becomes the permanent khan of the steppe.
    As the ancients said: "Seek who benefits."
    And about Kunaev I have not heard anything bad from the "old people".
    1. Marek Rozny
      +5
      24 March 2013 22: 12
      Kunaev is a wise man. I am especially impressed by one of his last interviews in the late 80s in the newspaper "Birlesu" in response to Nazarbayev's criticism of him. There are tremendous thoughts about politics, about political longevity and so on.
      Well, in general, it is wrong to hint that Nazarbayev allegedly initiated the appointment of Kolbin. Gorbi wanted to remove the Brezhnev old guard from the Union republics and place his people. The Kazakhs were bullied, as you know, because Kolbin was not a Kazakhstani at all, and the people really respected Kunaev. But Kolbin not only survived the riots of December 1986, he spent several years in place of the head of the Kazakh SSR (1989). From the time of Kunaev, Nazarbayev was the Prime Minister (since 1984) and only in 1989 took the No. 1 chair in Kazakhstan.
  15. +1
    18 March 2013 16: 25
    Quote: Gogh
    And let these Authors from Washington go along the forest road ...

    Well, why should our forest be polluted with this muck? Let it be better in Latvia ...
  16. +2
    18 March 2013 17: 24
    From this article, it can be understood that hostile forces set the stage for a change of power and a course in Kazakhstan. Therefore, do not argue who, how much and how. Look at the root!
  17. +3
    19 March 2013 19: 25
    The Kazakhs did not ask you to expel them from yurts. In Kazakhstan, there is no talk about genocide.
  18. -4
    19 March 2013 21: 00
    Genocide in Kazakhstan? What is this article ??? The patient's fiction is 80%! The USSR gave Kazakhstan a lot. Kazakhs were "pulled" by the ears in schools and institutes. Of course, there were enough smart Kazakhs, but very many were "pulled" ... Any enterprise in the USSR - the director is Kazakh, the chief engineer is Russian. History in Kazakhstan appeared only under the USSR, because the nomads did not have it. Nomads did not build anything, look at the map, the cities in the south (which appeared under the king of the peas) were clearly not built by Kazakhs along the route of the "Silk Road". They became Muslims not long ago, they were pagans, and even now a lot of paganism remains in their heads. I repeat - the article is nonsense! I know a lot because Dzhambul (now Taraz) is my homeland, it's warm there ... I was born and raised there
    1. Marek Rozny
      +4
      24 March 2013 22: 17
      Khamsin, as a result of the two largest famines of the 20th and 32-33 years, Kazakhs lost 2/3 of their numbers. This is not just a tragedy, it is a national disaster.
      2) Kazakhstan gave the USSR much more than it received. The Kazakh SSR was a donor republic, not a recipient.
      3) The Kazakhs were actually pushed away from the management of their own republic. Look at the names of the first persons of Kazakhstan since the establishment of Soviet power. So do not drive about the fact that "Kazakhs were pulled".
      4) You do not know anything about the history of Kazakhstan, so do not be clever in this matter.
      5) You were born in Taraz, but apparently didn’t understand where you lived. It's a pity.

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