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British experts compared the armies of Armenia and Azerbaijan

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British experts compared the armies of Armenia and AzerbaijanThe London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies (The International Institute for Strategic Studies, IISS) prepared the annual report of The Military Balance 2013, dedicated to the military and defensive capabilities of more than 160 countries of the world. The report of the British experts, in particular, contains information on the military capabilities of Armenia and Azerbaijan.


The report's authors note that both countries allocate significant funds to finance the military sphere. If Armenia spends about $ 400 million per year for this purpose, Azerbaijan’s military expenditures are estimated at $ 1 billion 770 million. Moreover, compared to 2011 in the year 2012, this amount increased by $ 90 million.

In general, the document says, Azerbaijan spends about 2,5% of GDP for military spending, Armenia - 4%.

The authors of the report also estimated the level of combat effectiveness of the two armies. In this comparison, according to specialists from the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Armenia wins. "The Armenian Armed Forces are quite qualified and clearly represent the goals and tasks set for them. At the same time, the number of professional military personnel serving on a contract basis continues to grow in the Armed Forces of Armenia, although the call for military service continues.

Analyzing the most pressing problems of the Armenian Armed Forces, analysts concluded that the most vulnerable in their composition are the Air Force. “The main problem of the air forces of Armenia is their service, as well as their overall efficiency. That is why Russia’s defense of Armenia’s airspace is through a leased airbase,” the report authors write.

The experts also touched upon the reforms carried out in the Armenian army. In their opinion, the main goal of the reforms is to increase the share of contractors, as well as to improve the quality of arms procurement. "At the same time, attempts at more serious structural changes, aimed, in particular, at raising the level of exercises and the professionalism of the personnel, are faced with quite deep-seated problems.

At the same time, they say in IISS, despite the serious funds allocated by Armenia to upgrade and modernize the available weapons, the Armenian armed forces are still far from the level of saturation with the latest technology. This, in particular, is due to corruption, as well as the low efficiency of financial management in the Armenian Ministry of Defense.

Regarding the situation on the contact line of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh, the authors of the report note that in 2012, at least twice (in spring and summer) there was a sharp increase in tension in the conflict zone, which, however, did not lead to the resumption of hostilities in the region .

Experts are quite critical of the capabilities of the Azerbaijani army. The report notes that despite the impressive purchases of weapons that were made possible by the profits from the sale of oil, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces in the air arena cannot achieve a definite advantage, which can become a serious risk factor during possible military actions in Karabakh. "The same oil has allowed Azerbaijan to acquire the latest C-300 systems, but it is not yet clear that this generally gives Baku from the point of view of increasing combat capability," the report says.

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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 18 March 2013 06: 17
    +3
    "The same oil allowed Azerbaijan to acquire the latest S-300 systems, but it is not yet clear what this gives Baku at all in terms of increasing combat effectiveness," the report says. Strange people, it is clear, and so the sky will be locked, moreover, reliably (but it also depends on the skill of the crew). But I just thought, they say the contract soldiers, and analyzing the war in Syria, the war is won at the expense of conscripts. Maybe I'm wrong, but let them show me where the war was won with the help of some contract soldiers? If something is not there, correct me.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 06: 45
      +3
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Strange people, it’s clear and so that the sky will be locked, and reliable (

      From whom is the castle? As such, Armenia does not have the Air Force, in case of conflict Russia will come up in any case, if it does not, then the CSTO will fall apart. In any case, Azerbaijan will have to face not only the Armenian contract soldiers, but also the Russian soldiers. Aliyev understands this and understands it very well. So compare, do not compare, and Azerbaijan will lose in all respects, C 300 will not help. hi
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 18 March 2013 07: 11
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        From whom is the castle?

        And if American friends help aviation?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 07: 31
          +12
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          And if American friends help aviation?

          One was already helped in 2008, I almost ate my own tie.
          1. bask
            bask 18 March 2013 07: 40
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            they already helped me in 2008, I almost ate my own tie.

            Greetings to Alexander. Good morning all.
            My son in this conflict, in the open, no one will hold. The Armenian lobby is very influential.
            In terms of armament and the availability of the latest and most modernized with the help of Israel. Armaments, Azerbaijan exceeds the Armenian potential by an order of magnitude.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 07: 59
              +2
              hi basque hi
              Quote: bask
              Armenian lobby, very influential

              In .a, I completely forgot about the Armenian lobby. The United States will not help Azerbaijan, they will water Russia with slop, as it was already, they will lie. They can’t do anything !!!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 08
              +1
              Quote: bask
              In terms of armament and the availability of the latest and most modernized with the help of Israel. Armaments, Azerbaijan exceeds the Armenian potential by an order of magnitude.

              Quote: bask
              "The same oil allowed Azerbaijan to acquire the latest S-300 systems, but it is not yet clear what this gives Baku at all in terms of increasing combat effectiveness," the report says. Strange people, it is clear, and so the sky will be locked, moreover, reliably (but it also depends on the skill of the crew)

              Good morning!
              And Russia !!
              I honestly more than mistrust these * experts * !!
              On the basis of what conclusions are drawn about the combat effectiveness of the army of one or the other side ??
              As for technology and equipment I agree with you !!
              Also did not understand the pearl of the authors about the S-300!
              about learning, uvi doesn't download the video!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 08: 16
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                Also did not understand the pearl of the authors about the S-300!

                Hi Alibek! Well, the C 300 is not a panacea, it is rather a matter of the fact that not one of the parties has guarantees of victory and that’s all hi
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Well, the C 300 is not a panacea, it is rather a matter of the fact that not one of the parties has guarantees of victory and that’s all

                  Well, it's natural!!))
                  It's just that these so-called * experts * have not changed the text of their report for more than 10 years !!)))))
                  I gave a link to last year’s report below, there are others on the Internet for 2011.2010 and so on!
                  1. Fidain
                    Fidain 19 March 2013 02: 45
                    -2
                    This is said in the sense that it’s Azerbaijan’s cornea to conquer the sky over Artsakh, and not the Armenian Air Force to bomb Baku
              2. Fidain
                Fidain 19 March 2013 02: 42
                0
                when you don’t like it, then you don’t trust, but at the expense of LEARNING one race has not been shown !!!
            3. Fidain
              Fidain 19 March 2013 02: 38
              -1
              Just don’t hammer where they will fight, these are not deserts. There’s no turning of the mountains and tanks,
          2. esaul
            esaul 18 March 2013 07: 46
            +5
            Oh! Such comparisons are not casual ...! The Gay Europeans, led by the minke whales, have already moved on to openly pit Armenia against Azerbaijan. They began to throw bones sweeter on Azerbaijan, promise support to the Armenians in a hypothetical conflict ... It is no coincidence that 800 US Marines are "on a business trip" at the US Embassy in Yerevan. And the fact that the Armenian leadership is quite loyal to this is an indicator of flirting with minke whales. These are our naive brothers in Christ - Armenians! They think that in the confrontation with RAz the minke whales will support them - the Armenians. There is no need to go to the grandmother, that, in the event of a conflict, the states of Armenia will be merged, because there is more anti-Russian potential in RAz politics than in Armenian.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 08: 05
              +1
              Quote: esaul
              There are 800 US Marines "on a business trip" in Yerevan.

              There are such articles, but you’ll get to the link and the original horseradish. To keep 800 people in bunkers ........................ well, there will be official confirmation, there will be a conversation. Now This is an OBS.
              1. esaul
                esaul 18 March 2013 08: 09
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Now it is an OBS.

                Info is taken from "Khvyli". I agree - the source is politicized and does not exclude the whipping up of the corresponding sentiments, but it is also rash to discount it.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 08: 12
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                  Quote: esaul
                  the source is politicized and does not exclude the escalation of the corresponding moods, but to dismiss it is reckless.

                  Well, if we proceed from this, it is possible and seriously treats this, but is there a question?

                  The Armenian authorities are trying to attract external forces to fight their own people. As REGNUM reports, the Armenian “public figure” Arkady Vardanyan said this at a rally on March 2 at the rally of supporters of ex-presidential candidate of Armenia Raffi Hovanisyan in Yerevan.

                  According to him, the Armenian authorities first tried to speculate with the assessment of international observers, now they are trying to use force methods with the involvement of the CSTO troops. “This was stated by the notorious General Shamanov. They are trying to recall the practice of the USSR, but Soviet methods will not work here. Do not forget that Yerevan is the capital of Armenia and Raffi Hovhannisyan is the new president of Armenia, ”he said.

                  Most likely, this is a statement by the commander of the airborne troops (Airborne Forces) of Russia, Colonel General Vladimir Shamanov that, if necessary, troops controlled by him can be sent to carry out combat missions as quick reaction forces to Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
            2. Fidain
              Fidain 19 March 2013 02: 53
              +1
              it’s interesting where such rallies are from, but even if there are so many marines in Yerevan (and you saw this building by the personnel there is not so much estates). And be sure that we primarily rely on our strengths and not the USA or the EU or that the Southern armies of Russia will be fight for us !!!
            3. Arminian power
              Arminian power 10 May 2013 01: 00
              +1
              Quote: esaul
              800 US Marines are at the US Embassy in Yerevan

              2 bataliona skrit ne vozmojno eto dezinformacia
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 15
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            One already helped in 2008

            Hi Sanya!
            Aviation! ??
            and seriously, there is the 907th amendment of the US Congress for 20 years in Azerbaijan! True, in the last 5 years the administration has suspended it for a year!
            in addition, an embargo was imposed on the supply of weapons to both sides !!
            So in the case of the Turkish self-propelled guns Fyrtyn, Germany refused to supply engines for the systems, the Turks had to buy them from another country!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 08: 19
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay

              Hi Sanya!

              Alibek, once again hi
              Quote: Yarbay
              Aviation! ??

              Her talker, still blacks from private military companies, but they were buried for a long time.
              Quote: Yarbay
              in addition, an embargo was imposed on the supply of weapons to both sides !!

              And who is following it?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 28
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And who is following it?


                Member countries of the EU and the USA!
            2. Hunter thomson
              Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 09: 00
              +6
              Alibek, why is Israel then putting on the mend from the device, and not only selling everything that they buy, but also transferring to licensed production what it recalls to all others, even seemingly allies. I don’t know if it’s true, I communicated with your fellow countryman in Germany once at a conference, they caught on with languages, while the scandal was with Turkey and Nitanhu blurted out that he would support and arm Armenia. He told me it was a wild fever. Israel has a huge community of Baku Jews, and this is the only case when Jews from a Muslim country have a very warm relationship to their former homeland. Then he told me verbatim in response to Nitanyahu's words: "This is a fever, the Azerbaijani community of Israel is very influential, wait, they will explain everything very quickly to this guy and quickly siege him in place." Within a few weeks, all such statements ceased, and no more similar statements were made. Do you have an opinion on this?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 March 2013 09: 12
                +3
                Quote: Hunter Thomson
                Israel has a huge community of Baku Jews, and this is the only case when Jews from a Muslim country have a very warm relationship with their former homeland.


                it's true!!
                Moreover, they say that Azerbaijan is the only country from the former CIS countries where Jews returning in large numbers are returning!
                Quote: Hunter Thomson
                Alibek, why is Israel then correcting it from the device, and not just selling everything that they buy, but also transferring to the licensed production something that it puts aside for all others.

                Moreover, from the very beginning of the conflict, in the most difficult times for us, it was the Israeli lobby that supported our position in the world in many respects thanks to immigrants from Azerbaijan!
                The ties are very close!
                Among the heroes of my country there are both Russians and Jews!
                Tanker Albert Agorunov was completely legendary!
                Or Russian Yura Kovalev is also a legend man !!!
                They both knew the Azerbaijani language, better than some Azerbaijanis!
                Russians who left for Russia also maintain contact, but are less influential in their country !!
                In general, Baku was and is a special city !!
                1. Hunter thomson
                  Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 09: 22
                  +3
                  Thanks. A truly unique case. By the way, when asked about the Armenian lobby in Israel, he said that there is not any Armenian lobby in Israel, because there are no Armenian Jews in nature, all who did not escape from Armenia to Baku in the 19th century were massacred by the Armenians. Maybe this is also related to the fact that Israeli Jews support Azerbaijan so powerfully? I don't know this story at all. In general, I often cross paths with your fellow countrymen, they tell a lot of interesting things, you must definitely visit Baku with your family somehow. They showed pictures, just some kind of pearl. My wife is an architect; she really wants to go and see the "new" Baku. just lit up :)
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 18 March 2013 09: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Hunter Thomson
                    A truly unique case. By the way, to the question about the Armenian lobby in Israel, he said that there is not any Armenian lobby in Israel, because there are no Armenian Jews in nature, all who did not run away from Armenia to Baku in the 19th century were cut out by Armenians.


                    It is not that simple!
                    Nobody lives in Armenia except Armenians! I do not read 1-2 percent of Yezidi Kurds and Russian Molokans !! I think even 1 percent can’t get enough !!
                    The thing is different when speaking about their * genocide *, the Armenians carefully hide their crimes !!
                    The 1890s were engaged in terror against Muslims and Turks !!
                    in Azerbaijan in 1905 and in 1918 organized the massacre !!
                    There is a mass grave in Guba, there are Lezghins and Jews living in large numbers, so most of those killed were killed with particular cruelty, they simply hammered their heads with nails !!
                    Jews perfectly know the face of Armenian fascism!

                    The book "Death March", written by the director of the ANAS Institute of Human Rights, Rovshan Mustafayev and dedicated to the crimes of Armenians against the Jewish people, is an important step in exposing the Armenian terrorism

                    According to the director of the institute, Rovshan Mustafayev, as a result of the genocide perpetrated in 1918-19 by the armed forces on the territory of Azerbaijan led by Shaumyan, Amazasp and Lalayan, not only Azerbaijanis were killed, but also Jews. "In those years, the Jews living in Azerbaijan refused to cooperate with the Armenians. Taking advantage of this, the Dashnaks [representatives of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation" Dashnaktsutyun "] massacred up to 3 thousand representatives of this people... Thousands of testimonies, documents and other facts tell about the mass extermination of Mountain Jews by Armenians on the territory of Azerbaijan, "Mustafayev said.

                    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2006/05/armenians-massacred-azeri-mountain.ht

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                    1. Hunter thomson
                      Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 09: 44
                      0
                      Thanks for the links!
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 18 March 2013 13: 41
                      +4
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      It is not that simple!

                      Everything is very simple, hello Alibek and have a nice day.
                      There are no Jews in Armenia and this is a fact, a rather strange situation, if we assume that in 500 km from them in Azerbaijan there was and is simply a huge and rich Jewish community. Why? Yes, because only Armenians live in Armenia and no one can get along with them. I have a good friend from Baku, I have not heard a single bad word about Azerbaijan from him, not a single mention of anti-Semitism. He says they lived like brothers and continue to live (those who stayed). They have close ties with Azerbaijan and the Azerbaijani community is very strong and influential in Israel.
                      I think this also explains the defense ties. Israel is generally wary of Muslim countries. Except Azerbaijan.
                      For this, my personal thanks to you Alibek and your fellow citizens. hi drinks
                      1. Fidain
                        Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 05
                        +2
                        if the Armenians did monsters who killed the Jews, then why did the Greeks live and did not kill them, why did the Turks or Azerbaijanis live in Armenia and did not kill them, but the Jews were slaughtered. All Turkic-speaking people moved from Armenia during the war. So maybe the Jews couldn’t The former with the Armenians and moved richer places in Tbilisi and Baku.
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 19 March 2013 08: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Fidain
                        if the Armenians did monsters that killed the Jews, then why did the Greeks live and did not slaughter them, why did the Turks or Azerbaijanis live in Armenia and did not slaughter them, but the Jews were slaughtered


                        Who said they didn’t cut it out ??
                        http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-3.php
                        http://www.bakililar.az/kolonka/henocide.html

                        The fact of the matter is that the zavurukha began precisely with the massacre of Azerbaijanis in Armenia and their expulsion from their lands !!
                        http://www.1news.az/politics/20130111010246901.html


                        *** Armenian Federative Revolutionary Party "Dashnaktsutyun". Created in 1890 in Tiflis. The main goal is the creation of the state "Great Armenia" on the lands of Azerbaijan - Nagorno-Karabakh, Nakhchivan and Turkey - Anadolu. "Dashnaktsutyun", having held its first congress in 1892 in Tiflis, decided to organize a conspiracy against the Turks. It was after this congress that "Dashnaktsutyun" issued an order: "... everywhere, under any circumstances, kill the Turks, Kurds who did not keep the word of Armenian traitors, take revenge!" There are a number of terrorist groups created by the "Dashnaktsutyun" party: the "Avengers of the Armenian Genocide" group, which started its activity in 1973, carried out the assassinations of Turkish diplomats in Austria, Denmark and Portugal in the 1980s-82s; secret terrorist group DRO and its units: DRO-8, DRO-88, DRO-888, DRO-8888. Dashnak activities in this direction **
                        http://www.ksam.org/index.php?mtype=news1&mid=355
                        The archives contain numerous appeals of Turkish Armenians to Russian officials with a request to accept them to serve in the tsarist army in order to fight against Turkey as part of volunteer squads. Hundreds of reports and reports written by tsarist generals and officers, hundreds of protocols and decisions of the military courts of the tsarist period contain information that during the First World War, Armenian volunteer squads committed robberies and brutally exterminated the local Muslim population.

                        These actions were systematic. Even the Russian commanders, using the Armenian squads in their own interests, were horrified by the atrocities committed by the Armenians. The Armenian Bolsheviks also wrote about this. Thus, A. Karinyan, in his article "On the Characterization of Armenian Nationalist Currents", written in 1928, wrote: "From the reports and orders of the Russian army it is clear that Armenian volunteer units were mainly engaged in the extermination of non-Christian civilians. Systematically destroying the Kurdish and Turkish population , volunteer detachments carried out the plan of the Dashnaktsutyun party, which was to "cleanse" the Armenian territory from the Muslim element and "round off" the borders. However, one of the serious obstacles to the realization of the outlined ideal, as Karinyan further writes, was the motley ethnic composition of Turkish Armenia and the small number of Armenians in the "six vilayets". Armenians made up a small majority only in some regions. The number of all other groups, especially ethnic groups professing the Muslim religion, was immeasurably greater. Therefore, in relation to these latter groups, the above-mentioned measure was worked out, on the initiative of the Dashnaktsutyun party. "

                        http://news.day.az/politics/390442.html
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 19 March 2013 08: 39
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                        The troops of the Armenian National Corps retreating from Kars committed atrocities, atrocities and violence against the peaceful Muslim population. According to incomplete data, the Armenian military leaders (General Areshev, Captain Mosesyan) destroyed 82 Muslim villages during the retreat from the Kars region. The well-known American ambassador to Istanbul Mark Bristol also wrote about the atrocities of the Armenians during the retreat from Kars: "The actions of the Armenian army in Kars aroused complete disgust among the Americans."

                        After the Turkish troops occupied Batum and Kars, on April 22, 1918, Zakseim made a decision to secede from Russia and declare the independence of Transcaucasia. Armenians in the Seim voted for secession from Russia without enthusiasm. “It was not easy for us to go to this department,” writes O. Kachaznuni. “If we spoke out against, the Transcaucasian Federation would collapse… and we would find ourselves alone, with the Turkish army in front of us. That is why we were forced to follow our neighbors. ".
                        http://news.day.az/politics/390442.html
                        http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-1.php
                        http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-2.php
                        http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-4.php
                        http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-5.php

                        1918 year. Nakhchivan. Azerbaijan. In the village of Yaji, Nakhchivan province, bearded men from gangs of Andranik killed 2500 unarmed people, whose bodies were then drowned in the Araz River. The captured Armenians subsequently said that Andranik executed all those evading participation in the ban formations by hanging to intimidate the rest and forcibly involve them in crimes against Muslims.
                        Gangs of another Armenian cutthroat Garegin Nzhdeh (real name is Garegin Ter-Harutyunyan) outraged in the Vedibasar Valley. According to the bandit himself, without him “there would not be not only today's Armenia, but also the Armenians living there.” In the future, in the 40s, Garegin Nzhdeh will join the Nazi legions, where he would rise to the rank of general. 162
                        Summer and fall of 1918. Zangezur. Azerbaijan. According to the documents of the State Archive of the Republic of Azerbaijan, 115 Azerbaijani villages were destroyed in “Zangezur County” by Armenian terrorist groups. During this period, 7729 Azerbaijanis were brutally killed, including 3257 men, 2276 women and 2196 children. ”

                        Having carried out a bloody massacre in the villages of Ohchu, Shabadin, Aralig, Pirdavan and Atgyz, which were a kind of gateway to Zangezur district, Armenian gangs surrounded the neighborhood in search of survivors. The refugees hiding in Saggar-su heard the Muslim cry the next morning, “Yes, Ali!” The bewildered refugees decided that they were in a hurry to help, and rushed forward to cry. However, they were brutally deceived by the Armenian bandits, who ruthlessly exterminated everyone: women, children, old people.

                        http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-5.php










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                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 19 March 2013 08: 42
                        -1
                        According to witnesses and official documents, the following villages were destroyed and destroyed in the county (112 in total): “1) Aguds, 2) Darabas, 3) Dulus, 4) Kurtlar, 5) Sheki, 6) Urut, 7) Vaguda, 8) Irmis, 9) Bahrili, 10) Gyzyldzhik, 11) Derekend, 12) Harakyl, 13) Melikli, 14) Dortny, 15) Dovruz, 16) Garadyga, 17) Okhtar, 18) Chobanly, 19) Kadayulu, 20) Chullu, 21) Shabadin, 22) Almalyg, 23) Chanakhchy, 24) Djibili, 25) Agkend, 26) Turabkhanly, 27) Gulud, 28) Bek-dash, 29) Inzhevar, 30) Siznak, 31) Garachemen, 32) Qatar, 33) Seidlyar, 34) Khalaj, 35) Dashkov, 36) Baidag, 37) Norashenik, 38) Dzhidzhimli, 39) Gayaly, 40) Homarat, 41) Darzili, 42) Gazanshi, 43) Shayuplu, 44) Tagamir, 45) Tai, 46) Atgyz, 47) Sharikan, 48) Dolutlu, 49) Afghans, 50) Tanzaver, 51) Madj, 52) Khojagan 1st, 53) Emizli, 54) Bukagar, 55) Mulk, 56) Banovshapyush , 57) Vartanazur 1st, 58) Vartanazur, 59) Leghvaz, 60) Alidere, 61) Marzigit, 62) Tugut, 63) Pusanly, 64) Razidere, 65) Mamed Ismail, 66) Gumandadanly, 67) Ta Tarkend, 68) Kelluga barrier, 69) Zamlar, 70) Askerlar, 71) Garagel, 72) Chukhuryurd, 73) Najaflyar, 74) Gara-Kell, 75) Shaifly, 76) Gagelule, 77) Keravis Abdallar, 78) Burunlu, 79) Burjalilar, 80 ) Gyungyshlag, 81) Dzhanbar, 82) Hirdakishlar, 83) Tuafshaly, 84) Baylandur, 85) Bagirbeyli, 86) Karalar, 87) Gemaran, 88) Khotanan, 89) Okhtarly, 90) Khudayarly, 91) Shekerli, 92) Kilichli , 93) Tarnaly, 94) Nyuvedi, 95) Tugun, 96) Bogarly, 97) Saunals, 98) Safiurd, 99) Kurgili, 100) Chatarist, 101) Pirveisley, 102) Mashadi Ismayllar, 103) Burdjalar Darzili, 104 ) Subuklu, 105) Mazmazak, 106) Tazikurdaly, 107) Farajan, 108) Suarasy, 109) Bayramushagi, 110) Kokhnakend, 111) Kushlag, 112) Zabuh. ”

                        The following special cases of cruelty committed by Armenian bandits were established by witnesses:

                        “In the village of Vaguda, 15 beautiful girls handed out to the soldiers of the Armenian detachment, not suffering grief of dishonor, committed suicide and also died from physical suffering;

                        In the village of Vaguda, when 400 Muslims, seeking refuge during the defeat of the village, gathered in a mosque, the Armenians barricaded the mosque's exits, first threw hand bombs at its windows, and then burned the mosque with all the people;

                        In the village of Vaguda, a Muslim woman, Kadama Tair kyzy, was stabbed with a dagger, her breast was cut off and she was stuck in the mouth of a stabbed infant;

                        In the same village, having killed Yolchiy Shih Huseyn oglu, the Armenians cut off his limbs and stuck them in the mouth of the murdered one;

                        In that village, young girls Nisa Aman kyzy, Ajab Nukhbali kyzy, Sona Jafa kyzy and Shahnuli Jalal kizi were raped to death;

                        Gulmast Gasim kizi was killed near the same village, her breasts were cut off and a horseshoe was hammered into the spine;

                        In the village of Nyuvedi, the Armenians stabbed with bayonets the centenary elder Asad bey Melik Abbasov, lying motionless in bed;

                        In that village on the streets, the Armenians chopped off the heads of women and children who fled with drafts and daggers;

                        In the village of Shcheki on the streets lay the corpses of women with cut breasts and half-cut corpses of young children;

                        During the rout in the village of Irmishli, the Armenians lifted the infant babies to bayonets, the corpses of the dead were found cut to pieces;
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 19 March 2013 08: 44
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                        In the village of Agudi, the Armenians chopped off the extremities of the legs of Gulam Shekar oglu, and then with bayonets and lashes forced him to walk until he died of blood loss;

                        In the same village all the girls were killed;

                        In the village of Chullu, the Armenians stabbed with daggers 9 sick people lying in bed;

                        In the village of Bagirbeyli, the Armenians gathered 7 men and women into one house and burned them alive;

                        In the village of Muslims, the corpses were so disfigured and disfigured that it was impossible to find out to whom they belong - without arms, legs, heads;

                        In the village of Qatar, the honorable old man Mashadi Kalantar Mashadi Kuli oglu was killed, doused with kerosene and burned;

                        In that village, the Armenians tied the arms and legs of Karbala Allahverdi Huseyn Ali oglu and cut his throat;

                        In the village of Vartanazur, the first was especially cut with daggers of women and children;

                        In the village of Rakhmanefendi, Novobayazid district of Yerevan province, old Ibrahim Haji Huseyn oglu, his eyes were gouged out alive, and then burned.

                        Here is a short and far from complete list of crimes against the Muslim people in the county. Cases of brutal killings and tortures are so numerous that they cannot be listed in this report. Witnesses certify that such crimes occurred in almost every village destroyed. ”

                        The overwhelming majority of Azerbaijani villages in the county were crushed and burned by Armenian gangs led by a killer, a member of the Dashnaktsutyun terrorist organization Andranik. According to most witnesses, the pogroms were carried out under his general leadership, and demands were made on his behalf for the mass destruction of people. Events took place in late summer and autumn 1918. The following is a list of individuals - notorious Armenian thugs, for whom the suffering of a defenseless person gave an inexplicable pleasure. The names of these scum were most often mentioned by witnesses who miraculously escaped death.

                        “Residents of the city of Gerus, Nikolai Osipov, Simon Mirumov, from the village of Darabas - Shamir Shakhnazarov, from the village of Minry - David Arshak, Matvesov Vachiancy, a resident of the village of Kovar Amazasp, from the village of Gyalyur Agabek Melik Oganzhanov, from the village of Astazur ensign Agabeni Mudus the same Nikolai Barsamov, a fugitive convict Armenian under the nickname “Japan”, an Astazur priest Ter-David, residents of the village of Darabas David and Kaspar Keshishev, from the village of Akhl-tian Ovakim Gevorkov and Yagub Arustamov, residents of the village of Kalaji Ivan Martirosov, Manuchar Ogandzhanov, Aguchalo Ogandzhanov, Aguchalo Ogandzhanov, Aguchalo Ogandzhovov, the villages of Dulus Nepogos Kaprielov, Sarkiszhan Te-vosov, from the village of Darabas - Stepan Pogosov, Alexander Kuki-ev, from the village of Sirkatas Mesrop, Kuniev, Efrem Rustamov, from the village of Kuris Lalazar and Garib Garibovs, from the village of Savakar - Hubna Davidovidov Manuchar Tyuniev, from the village of Archazur Kostant Asriev, from the village of Khotanan officer Ovanes Ter-Petrosov, Khachatur Davidov, priest of the village of Akhtakhan Ter-Grikor Ter-Minasov, engineer Sumbat Melik-Stepanov, who live in the city of Gerus, former police bailiff Isaak Bushintsev and Seratikov, from the village of Mugan-dzhikDadash and Khachatur Osipov, from the village of Gyulgyum Tevi Mnatsakanov, former foreman of the Ugurchach village society Nikolay Petrosov, from the village of Bykh Samson Melik-Melik-Noviks Melik-Melik Novik Samson Melik-Melik from the village of Akarka Ivan Kazarov, Ayrapet Stepanov, Efrem Agakhanov, Arshak Simonov, from the village of Arnazur - Sumbat Melik-Stepanov and from the village of Kovar - Agalo Pogosov. ”
                      6. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 19 March 2013 08: 46
                        -2
                        At the end of this archive document, it says: “The defeat of 112 Muslim villages in Zangezur Uyezd, the theft of several tens of thousands of cattle, several hundreds of thousands of sheep, the destruction of gardens and fields - all this fundamentally undermined the economic situation of Muslims in the county, leading to the impoverishment of about 50 people ”, who fled to different villages of Azerbaijan, and according to the most conservative estimate, there were about a billion rubles of losses.” The above facts are confirmed by the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission N. Mikhailov. 000
                        http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-5.php
                  2. Arminian power
                    Arminian power 10 May 2013 01: 18
                    0
                    istochnik vashey informaci ne vnushaet doveria. mojete pokazat proverenuyu infu. s priznonnimi faktomi a to vashe blabla poxoje na istereku hi
                  3. rufat
                    rufat 3 August 2014 23: 36
                    -1
                    humble yourself that Armenia is the poorest country in the Caucasus ...
            3. Our
              Our 31 December 2013 19: 14
              +1
              Dear in your words, not a single truth. The facts about the massacre are not in the archives of Turkey and Azerbaijan, but in Russia.
          4. Arminian power
            Arminian power 10 May 2013 01: 13
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Yes, because only Armenians live in Armenia and no one can get along with them

            v armeni mnogo nac. menshenstv odnoy iz kotorix evreyi ti sam azerbajanec... vidat sebya za evreya i govarit ot imeni celogo naroda eto ne razumno
            Quote: atalef
            no mention of anti-Semitism.
            ati pomnish chto proizashlo v baku kogda evreyi zaxvatili grajdanskoe sudno turcii .........
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 18 March 2013 09: 43
        +1
        Quote: Hunter Thomson
        In general, I often intersect with your countrymen, they tell a lot of interesting things, you must definitely visit Baku with your family somehow.

        I invite you and all other users of our forum !!
        I will be glad at any time!
        You can write in the face !!
        Quote: Hunter Thomson
        My wife is an architect; she really wants to go and see the "new" Baku. just lit up :)


        The city has changed a lot!
        But I was dearer to many old alleys and plain houses!
        From the fact that the city is being built with incredible speed, I do not have time to feel and the city has become a little alien to me!))
        1. Hunter thomson
          Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 09: 55
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          I invite you and all other users of our forum !!
          Thank you, right. smile


          Quote: Yarbay
          The city has changed a lot!
          But I was dearer to many old alleys and plain houses!
          From the fact that the city is being built with incredible speed, I do not have time to feel and the city has become a little alien to me!))


          Yes, probably. Baku is being built at cosmic speed. But my wife wants to see exactly new solutions and layouts. At first she was skeptical (Like, they probably stuck an expensive horror in the spirit of "new Russian" towers with towers that did not sew a mare's tail), and when she looked at the photos, she noted that with taste, she also really liked the fusion of European classics and oriental motives.
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 18 March 2013 13: 08
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          I invite you and all other users of our forum !!

          With my last name they will immediately cut me out .... smile
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 March 2013 13: 23
            -1
            Quote: Uncle
            With my last name they will immediately cut me out ....


            not cut out !!
            About 30 thousand Armenians live in Baku, but most have changed their surnames!
            The problem may be at the entrance may not let in !!
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 18 March 2013 15: 11
            +1
            You are amazingly clever!
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 March 2013 16: 49
            -1
            Quote: Uncle

            You are amazingly clever!

            I don’t guess, I know !!
            it's likely!
        3. Fidain
          Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 07
          0
          Well, is it already subtracting the lessons of history or save the language or faith, you do not exult the Turks
      3. Our
        Our 31 December 2013 19: 19
        +1
        moss friends do not cut. although everyone knows that the Armenians.
    2. Bekzat
      Bekzat 18 March 2013 15: 50
      +1
      Greetings to all, as you posted photos of Baku, I would also like to visit your city, with my wife and children. Very beautiful city.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 18 March 2013 16: 52
        +1
        Quote: Bekzat

        Greetings to all, as you posted photos of Baku, I would also like to visit your city, with my wife and children. Very beautiful city.

        come at a convenient time, I will be glad to meet you !!
        Be sure to take the whole family and my namesake too !!)))
      2. Bekzat
        Bekzat 18 March 2013 17: 53
        +1
        Thanks Alibek, we will definitely come !!!
    3. Our
      Our 31 December 2013 19: 22
      +1
      Somehow I visited. with a break of 4 months. To be honest, I was stunned by the changes. Changing before our eyes. And for the better. Although Baku People complain, they say there is no old charm
  2. Bekzat
    Bekzat 18 March 2013 15: 50
    +1
    I have a feeling that I'm asking myself))))
  • Kangarli
    Kangarli 18 March 2013 11: 07
    +1
    Not Jews but one Jew. It sometimes seems to me that he was forced to go to war by force, so that in the future there was something to stop our mouth. Why don’t you write how they fled from Azerbaijan during packs during the war. If, because of Agorunov alone, we are so grateful to the Jews, then we must carry the other small nations of Azerbaijan. Agorunov was born and raised in Azerbaijan and this was his duty.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 18 March 2013 11: 56
      0
      Quote: Kangarli
      Not Jews but one Jew.

      You are deeply mistaken!
      Go to Shahidlyar Hiyabany!
      There I saw the graves of at least three Jews who died for our country!
      Unlike the mythical Iranians, two Jews served with me ,!
      naturally, citizens of Azerbaijan!
      for which I am grateful to them!
      And it’s not for you to speak down on Albert; he, unlike you and me, died for our homeland !!
      The war involved all the small nations along with us!
      Yes, and we must carry them on our hands!
  • 2131971
    2131971 21 March 2013 16: 50
    -1
    Quote: Hunter Thomson
    I don’t know if it was true that he talked with your fellow countryman once in Germany at a conference, got caught in tongues, while the scandal was with Turkey and Nitanhu blurted out that he would support and arm Armenia

    Stupidity, it was not like that. Politicians are not children in the sandbox. Netanyahu has led and is very restrained in the conflict with Turkey. When he wanted to reason with Erdogan a little, he vetoed the sale of Elbit intelligence equipment, and that’s all.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 18 March 2013 09: 05
    -1
    Aviation did not help him
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 18 March 2013 16: 17
    -2
    Who will help? Armenia? It turns out of context that way. Although the question of the S-300 is still who will help, will not help ...
  • Fidain
    Fidain 19 March 2013 02: 35
    0
    Loud speeches from oka ...
  • Cpa
    Cpa 18 March 2013 08: 32
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    As such, the Air Force does not have Armenia

    Combat aircraft of Armenia:
    - 1 MiG-25
    - 14 SU-25
    - 4 L-39
    - 15 Mi-24
    Combat aircraft of Azerbaijan:
    - 13 MiG-29
    - 5 MiG-25
    - 11 SU-24
    - 11 SU-25
    - 5 MiG-21
    Negotiations are underway with China on the supply of JF-17 aircraft (Pakistan assembly, our engines)
    - 12 L-39
    - 66 Mi-24 / 35 (part modernized with the help of South Africa, another 8 machines will be delivered)
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 36
      -2
      Quote: KPA

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      As such, the Air Force does not have Armenia
      Combat aircraft of Armenia:
      - 1 MiG-25
      - 14 SU-25


      There are no dryers and do not fly !!!
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 18 March 2013 08: 47
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        There are no dryers and do not fly !!!

        In reality, their 25 pieces. Tbilisi, according to my data, drove, there the Soviet Su-25 did a military plant.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 56
          0
          Quote: KPA
          In reality, there are 25 of them.


          It has long been in poor condition and disassembled into parts!
          Only Russian fly, and then recently !!
          Too expensive a pleasure for the Armenian economy!
          Quote: KPA
          Tbilisi, according to my data, drove it, there the Soviet Su-25 did a military plant.

          for free ???))
          1. Arminian power
            Arminian power 10 May 2013 01: 33
            -1
            Quote: Yarbay
            It has long been in poor condition and disassembled into parts

            a vi sami videli ?????
            Quote: Yarbay
            Only Russian fly, and then recently !!
            avi kak razlichayte Rassiski ili Armyanski ??????? lol
      2. Fidain
        Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 12
        -3
        Whoever listens to you is more likely to be in Yerevan than in Baku.
      3. Arminian power
        Arminian power 10 May 2013 01: 28
        -1
        Quote: Yarbay
        There are no dryers and do not fly !!!

        a vi otkuda znayte. lol
    2. Fidain
      Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 11
      -1
      And it says what forces Artsakh has?
    3. Fidain
      Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 15
      0
      I saw with my own eyes the SU-27ies of the Armenian Air Force in the hangar, so it wasn’t the Russians
  • synchrophasatron
    synchrophasatron 18 March 2013 11: 02
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    in case of conflict, Russia will come up in any case

    why would Russia get into a conflict on the territory of Azerbaijan?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 03: 09
      +1
      Quote: synchrophasatron
      why would Russia get into a conflict on the territory of Azerbaijan?

      I wrote everything, briefly and clearly, if you have questions then read carefully again hi
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 19 March 2013 03: 15
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I wrote everything, briefly and clearly,

        Hi Sasha hi For me, if we meet then in the role of a forester, all to such a mother am Otherwise shit ain't gonna get it
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 04: 09
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan67
          For me, if we meet then in the role of a forester, all to such a mother

          Hi Ruslan! Well, Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, so you have to get stuck hi
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Otherwise shit ain't gonna get it

          From overseas, yes they will soon drown in it themselves laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 19 March 2013 04: 18
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, so you have to get stuck

            This is not only a matter of too big diasporas in Russia. You know yourself there is someone to warm up and set fire to. And if we unequivocally come out on one side, it will turn out fun. request
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 04: 29
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              too large diasporas in Russia

              Ruslan, so what? Georgia also has a large diaspora, only at the time of 08/08.08/XNUMX they sat quietly, and that's why they sat quietly, well, the Russians were angry.
              Quote: Ruslan67
              And if we definitely speak on one side, it can be fun

              Again, we don’t get used to it, and if we don’t take the side of Armenia, then the CSTO will fall apart in three days. There will come countries counting on political and military support from Russia. If this does not happen, then they will all be sitting and drinking in Brussels with strong .Do not shake, lose face hi
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 19 March 2013 04: 39
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Don’t get in, lose face

                I'm not saying that you don’t have to get in trouble request It would be better not to allow Something that I have become too peaceful lately belay Aging or what? crying wassat
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 19 March 2013 05: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  I’m not saying that you don’t have to get in. It would be better not to let

                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  This is not only a matter of too big diasporas in Russia

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  if we don’t take the side of Armenia, then the CSTO will fall apart in three days

                  The West really appreciated the oil of Azerbaijan, was disappointed, decided to use it somehow, either against Iran, or against Armenia, if only to the peak of Russia.
                  "The rumors spread by Azerbaijan about the presence of oil and gas reserves are several times higher than the real situation, according to Western experts and oil companies (British Petrolium), Azerbaijan's proven reserves are at best 7 billion barrels (or 1 billion tons) of oil, and gas reserves - a maximum of 1,28 trillion m3 (according to 1994 data) .In two or three years there will be a decline in oil production, and 2010-2012 are the peaks of oil production. All other oil fields onshore and offshore are experiencing a period of decline and very expensive.
                  If Azerbaijan’s oil makes up 0,3-0,4% of the world stock, then what kind of wealth is it. Deposits on land are fully developed, and the extraction of shelf resources is very expensive, 70% of which are located at a depth of 5 kilometers. Many foreign oil companies have failed in various Azerbaijani fields of the Caspian. Azerbaijan does not meet the image of a “powerful”, “strong” and “developed” country by any of the criteria. Moreover, in a number of international reports it is described as a country “having a weak economy”, as a “dysfunctional state”. In the official statistics of Azerbaijan there are many simple manipulations, artificial contradictions, invented figures, facts of falsification of indicators. All this is due to several circumstances: firstly, this is done with the goal of internal and external propaganda, which creates an imitation of the power and prosperity of Azerbaijan; secondly, this is done to conceal the dominant clan's shadow and appropriated revenues from the sale of oil and gas. In addition to socio-economic problems, there are also other internal problems that have stimulated and continue to stimulate emigration, among which the authoritarian regime of the ruling administration, the political uncertainty of the future, and violations of human rights should be noted. Islamic fundamentalism, theft, theft, drug addiction, drug trafficking, human trafficking, etc. are widespread in Azerbaijan. The employment problem is solved through migration, especially to Russia and Turkey. Almost 2-3 million Azerbaijanis work only in Russia and Turkey
                  http://bs-kavkaz.org/2011/09/slabye-osnovy-moschnoj-ekonomiki-azerbajdzhana-ii/
                  They need now "a small victorious war
                  "The ruling elite of Azerbaijan is seeking to redirect negative energy beyond national borders. In 2012-2013, tensions will increase. Considering the absurd military budget of Azerbaijan, its militaristic rhetoric, Armenophobia and adherence to the policy of Israel and the United States in the South Caucasus, it can be argued that the outgoing from the AR, the threat to the entire region becomes serious and immediate.http: //www.yerkramas.org/2012/07/26/azerbajdzhan-opasnyj-proval
                  / You need to breed them at different angles of the ring.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 05: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Kaa
                    Given the absurd military budget of Azerbaijan, its militaristic rhetoric, Armenian phobia and following the policies of Israel and the USA in the South Caucasus, it can be argued that the threat posed by Azerbaijan to the entire region becomes serious and immediate

                    There is a threat, but it’s more likely for Azerbaijan itself. It’s stupid to start a warrior knowingly. Who is behind Armenia and talking about victory in this case is not necessary. Even if Aliyev starts a warrior and the population meets this with a bang, then after two or three days, when he comes up Russia they will begin to think about the consequences, not only the population, but also the soldiers. That in itself will affect the fighting spirit, and then there will be a mass race in the opposite direction.
                  2. OTAKE
                    OTAKE 19 March 2013 06: 01
                    +1
                    Well, Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, so you have to get stuck

                    NKR is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, Russia recognizes the integrity of Azerbaijan, military operations are not planned on the territory of a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (Armenia) in this way, if Russia gets involved, it will already be a kind of aggression.
  • rufat
    rufat 3 August 2014 23: 21
    -1
    Are there many Armenian contractors?) The Azerbaijani army is several times larger than the Armenian one, and in connection with the last exit of the Armenian special detachment, which was defeated by the usual measures of soldiers, it is clear who will win this war. Aliyev is a very smart person and if he starts a war, he will be 100% sure that he will win.
    And by the way, about Russia. I wonder how much oil was exported from Azerbaijan to Russia? And what does Armenia export? So to say, if Russia helps Armenia, it will lose one of its main exporters. This will shake the situation of Russia. And what will Armenia give Russia? Natural resources are not enough ... Summarize. Azerbaijan brings Russia much more good than Armenia. Sense of helping her?
  • zaurkerimov
    zaurkerimov 2 July 2015 15: 53
    0
    British experts need to tackle Scotland and U Yehls! look and there the war will begin !!! HA HA HA !!!
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 18 March 2013 09: 00
    +6
    You know that from the point of view of combat training, Armenian units are many times superior to the enemy. Armenians have an army, and Azerbaijan has only armed forces. Not everything in a war is determined by the size of the armed forces. How high the morale of the Armenians, how disciplined they are, we saw in 1992 in Karabakh. We saw Azerbaijani soldiers - the comparison is clearly not in their favor. ” Ilham Aliyev cannot but understand: military operations will not be limited to Karabakh, they will spread to the whole country. Oil fields and transit pipelines will be at risk. The war will frighten investors away from Azerbaijan for a long time and one will have to forget about the economic boom. “If Aliyev starts a war and if other states do not intervene in it, he will lose her again. And Russia will take care that no one intervenes. ”
    “Is the game worth the candle?”
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 18 March 2013 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: Sirocco
      So is the game worth the candle

      Time is working for Aliyev, Syria will fall, they will strangle Iran and then Karabakh will no longer become a local conflict, a big batch will be in trouble, not even because of the CSTO, but at least to release its base. I'd like to believe that everything will be limited to muscle playing.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 18 March 2013 10: 07
        +2
        I don’t know who works for whom, but it seems to me that Aliyev works for the United States, apparently after Georgia, the United States turned its attention to a new student. Time will show how smart and pragmatic a politician Aliyev will be. The main thing (if god forbid war) so that he would not have a number of ties lol . After all, they will merge it like Mishiko. This is the golden rule for the USA, partners in expense.
      2. Fidain
        Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 19
        0
        And you would think that they’re sitting in the General Staff of Russia, they don’t see where the American revolutions are going.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 18 March 2013 09: 21
      +2
      Quote: Sirocco
      You know that from the point of view of combat training, Armenian units are many times superior to the enemy. Armenians have an army, and Azerbaijan has only armed forces


      justify !!
      Quote: Sirocco
      How high the morale of the Armenians, how disciplined they are, we saw in 1992 in Karabakh.


      At that time, there was no army in Azerbaijan, I say as an eyewitness!
      There was a * collective farm *!
      And the Armenians were very well prepared !!
      In parts located in Karabakh and Armenia, by order of the USSR Ministry of Defense and then the MORF, 70-80 percent of the personnel were manned by Armenians!
      Example 366 regiment!
      As for fighting spirit, without trained commanders and modern technology, nothing !!
      Then we lacked officers and sergeants !!
      It’s very funny for me to hear about the special * spirit * of Armenians))
      I know the enemy perfectly !!
      I want to see how they stand now !!
      our spirit was no less !!
      There were such guys that you never dreamed of!

      THE STORY OF THE CAPTIVE
      http://southcaucasus.com/old/index.php?page=publications&id=401

      We just fought with the Nazis, I am convinced of this!
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 18 March 2013 09: 52
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        Quote: SiroccoYou know that from the point of view of combat training, Armenian units are many times superior to the enemy. Armenians have an army, and Azerbaijan justify the armed forces !!

        Two years of service, with AZ.
        Quote: Yarbay
        As for fighting spirit, without trained commanders and modern technology, nothing !!
        For the sake of sports interest, they google about the quote (an expert from the US Foreign Policy Council Wayne Merry, who stated: “From the point of view of combat training, Armenian units are many times superior to the enemy.)
        I watched the dock. a film about Chechnya, OUR ambush. So the officer tried to organize the fighters, during the battle, ran up to the tankman and asked to be supported by fire from the NSVT, from his words the fighter was in a stupor, a fright. And I said I realized that it was useless to communicate with him, but at the time of the assault on the militants, I heard the work of a heavy caliber pulley, looked around and saw that this kid got out of the hatch and began to water the enemy. There was already another person behind the machine gun. He was no longer frightened by the clang of bullets in the tower. Something like this
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 March 2013 10: 29
          +1
          Quote: Sirocco

          Two years of service, with AZ.


          Well, this is your personal observation, how many Azerbaijanis did you know ??
          For example, did you serve with Bakhtiyar?

          Karimov Bakhtiyar, Red Army soldier, defender of Sevastopol

          He entered into combat with the German reconnaissance squad of 11 people. He killed ten and, being mortally wounded, he bit his throat to the last - a German officer. He died the death of the brave on the battlefield. (“Glorious Sons of Azerbaijan”, book 1, pp. 42-43).

          or with my brother in Afghanistan ??
          Quote: Sirocco
          There was already another person behind the machine gun. He was no longer frightened by the clang of bullets in the tower. Something like this

          I then somehow told how I was ambushed and will repeat for you!
          We went on the offensive, had to take the height!
          The unit was new, soldiers were not fired.
          The shelling began unexpectedly, and even fired from where we were supposed to be!
          It was a scandal that it was not clear where they were shooting from and the staff had panic, screams, and cursing !!
          After a while, two riot policemen came up to us, mainly at that time there were * Afghans *, that is, soldiers and officers who went through the Afghan war!
          So they, by their presence, confidence, somewhere in jokes, somewhere in shouts restored confidence to the whole unit!
          We not only fought back, but also took the height with minimal losses!
          True commander died!
      2. Arminian power
        Arminian power 10 May 2013 01: 44
        0
        NO I MI NE OSTALIS 1990 GODI.DENGI RESHAYUT MNOGOE NO NE FSYO. a samoe glavnoe ix tratit razumno
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 18 March 2013 12: 38
    0
    Not very correct numbers, but still

  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 18 March 2013 16: 15
    +3
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Maybe I'm wrong, but let me show where the war was won with the help of some contractors? If something is not right, correct me.

    Well, for example, WHO is in the North Caucasus. It is more effective and cheaper to exterminate bandits by means of special forces than by means of a regular army of conscripts. The situation is the same in Syria. The main burden of the war rests on the shoulders of the special forces, not the regular army. It's just that Syria has a slightly different system of manning the army and the "contract soldiers" there are officers and sergeants. But the bulk of the "conscripts" in Syria are engaged in the defense of the country from an external aggressor, performing their direct duties. And if a sufficiently large number of conscripts take part in the war, it is mainly as a deterrent and support force, and "specialists" directly storm them. So contractors are effective in modern wars, a total war of extermination is another matter, but this is a separate conversation.

    In the case of the NKR, the "professional" army of Armenia would be ideal. Its responsibilities will include deterring the first strike of the Azerbaijani army, efficiently and with low losses. Until the situation settles or the CSTO enters. A soldier with experience and training, and even with good equipment, has much more chances of surviving in a clash than a young boy, and losses are equivalent to one life or another. Why pay more?
  • Vanek
    Vanek 18 March 2013 06: 30
    +4
    I have not read the article and I will not.

    The British have more to do, apparently they have no way to compare the army. I would read an article titled "British experts have compared their army to the army ......................". Well, about.

    Theirs, by and large, what matters to the army of Armenia and Azerbaijan ????

    That's all I wanted to say.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 06: 47
      +6
      Quote: Vanek

      The British have more to do, apparently there is no way to compare armies.

      And unless once they had other affairs, they have interests around the world. Where the warrior smells, there is Britain with all the coders.
      Ivan hi
  • Goga
    Goga 18 March 2013 06: 43
    +4
    Formally, the Armenian army seems to have nothing to do with - Karabakh (Artsakh) is not included in Armenia - but this is only formally. Judging by the fact that the Americans have recently calmed down somewhat in the conflict with Iran, Azerbaijan and Armenia may simply not have a chance to arrange a war under the Iranian "shumatokha", so the weapons are weapons, but I hope there will be no opportunity to use them hi
    1. queen
      queen 18 March 2013 06: 50
      0
      This is hardly a war game, but provocations are possible, it will be drowned out there at the early stage. Yes, and there are no radicals there, and if there are, they’ll sniff it in a rag.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 18 March 2013 06: 44
    +1
    "The same oil allowed Azerbaijan to acquire the latest S-300 systems ..." - or maybe thanks to the LADY .....
    Quote: Vanek
    Theirs, by and large, what matters to the army of Armenia and Azerbaijan ????

    So they need everything, first of all interest (for azerov BP).
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 17
      0
      Quote: fenix57

      "The same oil allowed Azerbaijan to purchase the latest S-300 systems ..." - or maybe thanks to the DAM.



      Then who is to blame for the sale of the third division, which was put at the end of last year ??
      Putin and Shoigu?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 March 2013 08: 23
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay


        Then who is to blame for the sale of the third division

        Of course, Medvedev is now a chip so newfangled. Medvedev is to blame for everything, if Medvedev is not to blame ................ then he is still to blame laughing
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 31
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          if Medvedev is not to blame ................ then he is still to blame


          I agree)))
          There is nothing for him to be Medvedev!))))
          Sanya, why can't I evaluate ??
          Problems on the site still not solved?
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 18 March 2013 10: 21
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            Sanya, why can’t I evaluate ?? Problems on the site still not solved?

            Alibek, hi ! In the web browser, cookies need to be cleared, just remember to save all the passwords.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 18 March 2013 10: 37
              +1
              Quote: Tersky
              Alibek! In the web browser, cookies need to be cleared, just remember to save all the passwords.


              Hello dear!
              Alas, the words cookies and the web browser are incomprehensible to me, and I'm afraid I will not get better!
              Thanks for the answer!!
  • tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 18 March 2013 06: 46
    +2
    Quote: Vanek
    The British have more to do, apparently they have no way to compare the army. I would read an article titled "British experts have compared their army to the army ......................".

    And so it is clear that they will say that their own is cooler. Oh yes, they do not have conscience and honesty, so they will not tell the truth!
  • Akhtuba73
    Akhtuba73 18 March 2013 06: 48
    +1
    "British Scientists" has become a household name. What they do not learn, such crusts wet, Petrosyan envies. An interesting topic, but they cannot be trusted. We are waiting for others.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 22
      -1
      Quote: Akhtuba73

      "British Scientists" has become a household name. What they do not learn, such crusts wet, Petrosyan envies. An interesting topic, but they cannot be trusted. We are waiting for others.

      The main thing is they write this crap every year and the text is almost the same !!))))

      http://regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/azeri/1507868.html

      Here is last year's * expert * assessment - almost word for word is repeated !!
      And so every year!
  • krasin
    krasin 18 March 2013 08: 34
    0
    And for me it’s like to fence with a thorn, to throw off machine guns, weapons, and let yourself fight if you do not fuck them. How they will say fight.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 18 March 2013 08: 39
      0
      Quote: krasin
      And for me it’s like to fence with a thorn, to throw off machine guns, weapons, and let yourself fight if you do not fuck them. How they will say fight.

      And what is not fenced?))))
      In general, there is no border with Armenia, what is there to protect?
      And with Azerbaijan, the border is far from the theater of operations!
  • Apollo
    18 March 2013 08: 47
    +6
    Good morning everybody hi
    Infographics, armed forces and armaments of Azerbaijan and Armenia.
    1. Hunter thomson
      Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 09: 10
      +2
      Visually but not true, at least in Azerbaijan for sure. And there are more tanks, Azerbaijan bought up MLRS so much that the NATO bloc smokes on the side, in my opinion it’s enough to cover the whole of Karabakh five times. Artillery, too, I came across many articles on procurement. Aviation there is already quite interesting.
      1. Fidain
        Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 34
        0
        You are so sure that you can do it with impunity. If you could have no doubt you would have done a long time ago.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 18 March 2013 09: 17
      +9
      You know, you can quote as much as you like and present graphs of the countries' armed forces. But there is one BUT. Who served with Azerbaijanis and Armenians in the past? He can make an idea of ​​what kind of warriors they are. (Although there are nuggets among them, from 40 Azerbaijanis there were no more 4-5 people in the MUZHIK company) I judge them from my own experience of service, Fighting spirit, discipline, military training cannot be bought, So in inept hands the weapon will turn into a stick, and in hands with head and spirit the stick will turn into a weapon. Something like this)))
      1. Hunter thomson
        Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 09: 33
        0
        Fuck knows, he didn’t serve with Azerbaijanis. When he worked in military production, they were not in the team either. However, it was a long time ago. Now often come across at work. Very many competent specialists with excellent education. I think you're exaggerating. Probably if so much money is invested in the construction of the army .... In general, Alibek should be asked. He is from Azerbaijan or Eugene (Pupyrchaty), as I understand it, he served in Tsakhal. In Tsakhal, it seems to be a very strong practice of psychological testing and selection of new recruits for military units (in addition to serious training in the future). if this practice is implemented in the Azerbaijani Armed Forces (I don’t know if there are Israeli instructors there or not), but if this is the case, then Armenia’s affairs are bad. if only Turkish instructors, then I don’t know. Turks as far as I know do not conduct deep psychological testing of recruits. They are credited simply for good health. You understand, whatever the national character would be, if serious psychologists take up the selection of candidates, and serious instructors prepare, the result will be.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 18 March 2013 10: 20
          +2
          I do not want to be unfounded. But what I can say can be regarded as an ABS. Rumor has it that there are foreign mercenaries in the army of the AZ (not instructors)
          1. Hunter thomson
            Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 10: 40
            +1
            If only the Turks and more for the idea. Ten mercenaries will not solve anything, and a large staff is very expensive. It’s just not advisable, it’s better to make arms purchases with this money or prepare elite units.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 18 March 2013 11: 08
              0
              Quote: Hunter Thomson
              If only the Turks and more for the idea.




              Part of the officer and sergeant staff has long been trained on a permanent basis in Turkey, including pilots and infantry and all kinds of troops!
              For example, all pilots know how to fly both F-16 and Russian planes!
              Practice on the F-16 are in Turkey!
              Quote: Hunter Thomson
              It’s just not advisable, it’s better to make arms purchases with this money or prepare elite units.

              such parts already exist !!
              and honestly, I envy them now with white envy !!
              They have something that we didn’t even dream about, I mean not only technical support, training, but also household maintenance and salary and attention!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 March 2013 10: 57
            -1
            Quote: Sirocco
            Rumor has it that in the army of AZ there are foreign mercenaries (not instructors)

            and who are they ??
            And for what??
            1. Our
              Our 1 January 2014 15: 32
              +1
              Yarbay has bombarded you.
          3. synchrophasatron
            synchrophasatron 18 March 2013 11: 16
            +1
            Quote: Sirocco
            I do not want to be unfounded. But what I can say can be regarded as an ABS. Rumor has it that there are foreign mercenaries in the army of the AZ (not instructors)

            There may be instructors, but there are no mercenaries. That's for sure.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 18 March 2013 10: 24
          +1
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          I think you're exaggerating.

          This is unlikely))) Take a word))) I emphasize there are nuggets among them. true units.
          1. Hunter thomson
            Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 10: 48
            +1
            But even if we assume that, on the whole, the Azerbaijani people are not belligerent, and more inclined towards a peaceful life, which I will readily believe, then I emphasize this if they will test all recruits by the Israeli method and select only those who are elite by its psychotype it is suitable, aggressive and stress-resistant in critical situations (the Israelis still test the ability to work in a team and their willingness to help, i.e. if the applicant has an excellent form, but the interaction test failed, or then showed himself excellently in the field exam, but he threw it and didn’t try to help the candidate next to him, who is on the verge of breaking, he will still be rejected) and such a system even from the Jews (who are no longer a military people) even allows you to select, train and get one of the most combat-ready armies world, in the top ten for sure.
            1. Mironk
              Mironk 19 March 2013 01: 55
              +2
              Hunter thomson
              Here is the real story of the selection of draftees in the IDF. Several draftees arrived on the agenda for the central recruiting center who wished to serve in the landing. During tests for physical. endurance came out of their quarrel with a sergeant. As a result, they sent everyone home with a promise to call in jobniks - an auxiliary staff, due to unsuitability for service in military units. Well, one of these guys returned home stumbling - it’s a shame for him to serve in job-seekers, he also went in for sports since childhood - karate, acrobatics, capoeira, at the age of 12 the first jump - and, it turns out, everything is upside down! But after a couple of days they call him, already individually, and explain - so, they say, and so - we looked here, figured out, in short, if you did not change your mind, and your parents would give consent - you will go to serve in decent troops. The guy was delighted - in the landing, then? No, they say if you pass all the tests normally, raise it higher. Well, and higher in the IDF, it’s just a special mission - the dream of any Israeli kid, for the most part, is unrealistic ... But the scandal with the sergeant was, as the guy later realized, arranged specifically, as directed by the psychologist .
              And then he served in one of the most - the most divisions. He served with dignity, however, in 2006, during the 2nd Lebanese, his mother became completely gray-haired, while waiting for him to go home, thank God, safe and sound - his unit lost only one soldier during the war, but that's another story.
              And that the Jews are not a military people - you are wrong, read the Old Testament, there in many stories the fierce cruelty of Jewish soldiers is noted, their readiness to die, but not surrender to the enemy. Then, in the days of Rome, there were Jews - gladiators, later, in the Middle Ages in Europe, some feudal rulers had detachments of personal guards from Jews, who proved themselves to be brave and loyal fighters. A timid bespectacled clever man is a product of the Pale of Settlement, a local phenomenon. In addition, appearances are often deceiving, for example, the new Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon is seemingly a pure "nerd", but in reality, in the past, one of the best military officers of Sayret Matkal, the reconnaissance and sabotage unit of the General Staff.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 March 2013 10: 50
          0
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          if this practice is implemented in the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan (I don’t know if there are Israeli instructors there or not),

          I do not know!
          If they cook, then it’s probably very secret!
          As for the training of UAV operators and airmen, then for sure, because if this kind of weapon is delivered, then drugs must be trained, but there is also no open
          information!
          But officially more than 5 thousand officers were trained at Turkish military schools !!
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          The Turks, as far as I know, do not conduct deep psychological testing of recruits. They are credited simply for good health

          Yes, but the Turkish army has a very high moral and patriotic spirit !!
          I don’t even know which army you can compare with!
          Attitude to a person in a form, respect for him is beyond!
          The officers are competent and I would say they are fully educated, and not just militarily !!
          Quote: Hunter Thomson
          You understand, whatever the national character

          from if they give me any nationality of recruits (healthy) and three months for preparation, then let them compare them with the soldiers of any army in the mountains!
          1. Hunter thomson
            Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 11: 01
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            If they cook, then it’s probably very secret!
            As for the training of UAV operators and airmen, then for sure, because if this kind of weapon is delivered, then drugs must be trained, but there is also no open
            information!


            Military cooperation between Israel and Azerbaijan is generally a big fog. Some analysts write that all open procurement data can be safely multiplied by five. In the field of intelligence and counterintelligence, especially electronic intelligence, where Israel is traditionally very strong, nothing is clear at all. But all the scandals with the failures of the intelligence networks of Iran, when they were taken warm, I think testify that everything there is sooooo seriously.

            Quote: Yarbay
            The officers are competent and I would say they are fully educated, and not just militarily !!


            All the same, Turks are more militant people, Azerbaijanis are traditionally more peaceful people. The Turkish army is very combat ready. All analysts say that in Afghanistan they proved to be excellent and in general only the British, Yankees and Turks showed themselves battle-worthy, everyone else is a humanitarian corps :) Turkish officers are not discussed. Military education in Turkey has a very long tradition and is quite strong.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 18 March 2013 11: 18
              0
              Quote: Hunter Thomson
              Military cooperation between Israel and Azerbaijan is generally a big fog. Some analysts write that all open procurement data can be safely multiplied by five. In the field of intelligence and counterintelligence, especially electronic intelligence, where Israel is traditionally very strong, nothing is clear at all

              I absolutely agree with this!
              Quote: Hunter Thomson
              But all the scandals with the failures of the intelligence networks of Iran, when they were taken warm, I think testify that everything there is sooooo seriously.

              It should be borne in mind that our agents in Iran are also not weak, even since the days of the USSR!
              And I think if there is any cooperation here, then Israel can get much more than our country!
              Here only in technology there is an advantage in Israel!
              Quote: Hunter Thomson
              The Turkish army is very combat ready. All analysts say that in Afghanistan they proved to be excellent and in general only the British, Yankees and Turks showed themselves battle-worthy, everyone else is a humanitarian corps :)
              I do not agree here, because I myself was there and saw it !!
              Turkish units almost do not participate in the database !!
              There from the very beginning apparently agreed !!
              There is not one attack on the Turkish contingent and it is almost not involved in operations !!
              Losses are not in the fighting!
              They mainly provide humanitarian assistance and train Afghans !!
              there is also a question of faith !!
              1. Hunter thomson
                Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 11: 31
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                It should be borne in mind that our agents in Iran are also not weak, even since the days of the USSR!
                And I think if there is any cooperation here, then Israel can get much more than our country!
                Here only in technology there is an advantage in Israel!


                here without a doubt. I think this is a mutually beneficial cooperation. Israel technology + satellites + UAVs - Azerbaijan location itself + agents (I think up to the top officers of the Army and the IRGC, but probably more of the army)


                Quote: Yarbay
                I do not agree here, because I myself was there and saw it !!


                Then it’s probably worth trusting you, I’m only judging by Western reports, and even those that go out in the public domain I can judge. But in general, I came across some article about the battle in Afghanistan, where the Turks showed themselves, but I don’t remember the circumstances and place.
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 18 March 2013 12: 48
            0
            Hi Alibek.
            Yes, all this is nonsense about their spirit, we have been living in St. Petersburg with them for a long time, and I didn’t notice that my spirit is stronger than us, in many situations I have witnessed another.
            The fact that Azerbaijanis are not warriors, but the Armenians of Go and their army will tear ours, well, you need to look at the facts, which country has as many as 2 treaties to protect its border around the perimeter? Could you still leave the previous treaty on protecting only the Turkish part of the border. But to see the Armenians are so strong that Serge asked Putin to listen, I can’t restrain these soldiers, fraternally stand up from Azerbaijan, otherwise we’ll destroy them all in vain))))
            About learning. Our flow and the flow of students in Turkey. The difference was huge, especially in terms of discipline and attitude to the matter. Although the social environment is the same for everyone. Our artillery students who studied here also say that the Azerbaijanis who are in Turkey the training goes through a level that is much higher. And the point is not that Soviet education is worse, no, it’s better, but the moment of implementation is bad, they can adjust the brandy, send them to rest in Baku, put pressure on them through communications. there were only me and a couple of other guys, but it wasn’t because we were financially poorer, and we just had tight control of our fathers in our case. And we studied, although the slow-minded people who finished and studied in Russian for 0 years didn’t say 5 words they can bind, work in the same positions and even higher than really trained officers.
            As our colonel fought at many points, Azeris can do anything, they just don’t want to, they need to go to Turkey, so that the Turkish general, unlike our good-natured sikim sikim, would drive them through the mud, etc. here from there they will leave as officers.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 18 March 2013 13: 38
              -2
              Quote: Yeraz
              those who studied here also say that the Azerbaijanis who are trained in Turkey speak a much higher level.

              I can’t compare the level, I don’t know!
              Was in Turkey saw how they cook !!
              Among the students in the USSR and in Russia, he also knew many very competent officers!
              But the fact is that especially mid-level officers were sorely lacking, but you yourself know this better than me !!
              Now the situation has changed a lot!
              Quote: Yeraz
              the Turkish general, unlike our good-natured sikim sikim, drove them through the mud, etc.here they will leave from there as officers.
              smiled!)))
              But seriously, the attitude towards the cadet is different there !!
              I remember as soon as Turkish teachers appeared in our Baku school, they canceled all the work of the household!
              They hired civilians for such work !!
              The attitude to the cadet was like a white bone !! no one will say the word Sikim to the cadet)))))) if they say that it’s a very difficult word and a printed one, from which it’s time to shoot yourself!
              Self-esteem and patriotism were inculcated !!
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 18 March 2013 15: 47
                +2
                The level is very different when retraining after graduation was already underway, so the guys who graduated in Turkey were higher, but still inferior in knowledge to those of us who really studied there. But discipline, responsibility for the corruption is higher. Although, in principle, it’s clear Other fellow students from Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan, and Moldova also said that their fellow countrymen who graduated from Turkish universities are better. Nevertheless, they are trained more as officers.
                And there the relation between the courses is completely different than in Russia, there the cadet is only 1 more higher than you can already tell something. The guy says that he received a penalty ball for the fact that when he was a girl, he went to the academy with 4 students ( in Turkey, only 4 courses) made a remark to him with a girl why he had a tie untied, let him know. Well, of course, how a true Caucasian considered this an insult and got a fine for refusing to obey the senior student, who is 1 year older than anyone else. Yes, we in St. Petersburg, more than half of the colonels didn’t notice such a thing, and if he had noticed no one would have obeyed, and an older student wouldn’t even have thought of it, and if a fight would have occurred one hundred percent.
                This is their discipline.
      2. synchrophasatron
        synchrophasatron 18 March 2013 11: 14
        +2
        Quote: Sirocco
        Who served with Azerbaijanis and Armenians in the past?

        When? in BB or in Afghanistan?
      3. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 18 March 2013 16: 34
        +2
        Quote: Sirocco
        You know, you can quote as much as you like and present graphs of the countries' armed forces. But there is one BUT. Who served with Azerbaijanis and Armenians in the past? He can make an idea of ​​what kind of soldiers they are. (Although there are nuggets among them, out of 40 Azerbaijanis there were 4-5 people in the MUZHIK company) I judge them from my own experience of service, Fighting spirit, discipline, military training cannot be bought, So in inept hands the weapon will turn into a stick, and in the hands with the head and spirit the stick will turn into a weapon. Something like this)))

        At one time he served with Azerbaijanis and Armenians, and with Ossetians, and many more with whom. I didn’t like only one Latvian. The difference is not great and does not depend on nationality, yes, on parents. But it was still the Russian army, if only the national one can not judge.
        But With the fact that only the presence of a weapon decides whose superiority does not agree. It is very important to understand the essence of a possible conflict and the area where everything will happen. Given the fact that Azerbaijan will have to storm, and even in the mountainous terrain. Here, fivefold superiority in numbers may not be enough. And with good artillery work, only a simultaneous strike by Turkey will help Azerbaijan, but this is a completely different conversation. Do not forget about Azerbaijan’s relations with Iran. So the topic is better not to develop, one thing is clear that only the Anglo-Saxons benefit from a new mess on foreign shores.
      4. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 19 March 2013 01: 36
        +3
        Quote: Sirocco
        You know, you can quote as much as you like and present graphs of the countries' armed forces. But there is one BUT. Who served with Azerbaijanis and Armenians in the past? He can make an idea of ​​what kind of warriors they are. (Although there are nuggets among them, from 40 Azerbaijanis there were no more 4-5 people in the MUZHIK company) I judge them from my own experience of service, Fighting spirit, discipline, military training cannot be bought, So in inept hands the weapon will turn into a stick, and in hands with head and spirit the stick will turn into a weapon. Something like this)))

        You know, according to the assessment of the tsarist generals from 1911, the Jews are very little adapted to military service, and this is after the Jews have shown themselves quite decently both in the Crimean and in the Bulgarian companies and in the war with Japan on 04-05. However, the stereotype is tenacious. And then up to 400 thousand Jews were drafted into the Russian army during WWI. 3 thousand were earned in the battles of "George". And then there was the Civil War, and then WWII and nothing seemed to be bad, the Jews fought, although well, not a warlike people for sure. So stereotypes don't always reflect reality.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 March 2013 02: 02
          +1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Aaron Zawi

          Anti-Jewish conspiracy revealed again wink Personally, I did not even see the mention of Jews in this commentary. The Jews themselves were not put on the topic for business, and then you will shout at the whole forum: "They don't like us here." hiYes, and with caution, appeal with numbers, 400tys., 5mln., Etc., otherwise the impression is beginning to appear that you are more than Chinese. stop
        2. lezgin
          lezgin 24 January 2014 02: 37
          0
          You are a dreamer, dear ... Jews never fought.
      5. Our
        Our 1 January 2014 15: 30
        +1
        there are warriors both there and there. Don’t confuse an army prepared for military operations. trained with personnel officers, and an army of militias who didn’t see Kalash either. And now both armies have come to their senses and I think that both are ready in spirit and skill. now the difference in human resource and technology.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 18 March 2013 09: 05
    0
    On the subject of comparing the potentials of Russia, there should be absolutely no good ..., since the leadership perfectly realizes that without our "approvals" there will be no war.
    "Neither looking up, nor forward, I sit with my sloven friends,
    and we do not give a damn, whose takes in the struggle of scoundrels with scoundrels. "
    Guberman
  • kopar
    kopar 18 March 2013 09: 17
    +2
    Azerbaijan has Turkey’s main ally. So until Turkey orders, Azerbaijan will not attack Armenia .....
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 18 March 2013 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: copar
      So until Turkey orders, Azerbaijan will not attack Armenia ..

      this is silly!!
      Yes, an ally, but not a country that can order!
      It all depends on Russia!
      1. Arminian power
        Arminian power 10 May 2013 01: 59
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        Yes, an ally, but not a country that can order

        nu esli uchest chto turciya dayot kurs vashemu vneshnemu politiku, znachit eto uje ne partnyorskie otnasheniya i sledovatelno mojet i prikazovat, chto on i delaet hi
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 18 March 2013 09: 30
    +2
    In general, comparing potentials in peacetime is stupid. War will show everyone who is capable of what. War itself is a tough judge. In the meantime, this is an inflating cheeks and nothing more.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 18 March 2013 09: 36
    +4
    What is the dispute about? Who has more pip or who uses it more skillfully? They need to negotiate among themselves peacefully, without emotions and ambitions. And Russia should not accept either side, even if it threatens the integrity of the CSTO. We found ourselves "allies" in Armenia ... They arrange such "shows" in our cities that it is time to reconsider the attitude towards them, and we all revel in blind faith in the "gratitude" of the Armenian people! And behind the broad back of Russia there were always those who wanted to sit out.
  • Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 18 March 2013 09: 46
    0
    the British apparently forgot something there ...
  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 18 March 2013 12: 50
    0
    Greetings comrades! I read, I thought a lot. An interesting situation is brewing! Turkey is greatly building up its military potential. This is a fact!
    Azerbaijan is building up the same! -This is the same fact! I would like to note that the military potential of Azerbaijan exceeds the potential of Armenia, and is clearly redundant for a military solution (God forbid!) Of the Karabakh problem!
    It is clear that a well-equipped and combat-ready army has not yet interfered with one country! But still, Azerbaijan feels a potential threat from the outside. And this is not Armenia and not Russia! This is a neighbor on the other hand! And apparently President Aliyev (an ethnic Kurd, it seems) feels this threat!
  • krasin
    krasin 18 March 2013 15: 02
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    And what is not fenced?))))
    In general, there is no border with Armenia, what is there to protect?
    And with Azerbaijan, the border is far from the theater of operations!

    So as not to creep
  • Bekzat
    Bekzat 18 March 2013 16: 09
    0
    I welcome everyone, in my opinion, I think that only Russia can solve this long-standing conflict. It so happened that Russia is closer than the British or Americans, and then, that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis lived together under one roof, the USSR. It’s time for the Kremlin to resolve this issue, and find a middle ground for regulating the dispute. Otherwise, such a mess may begin in the Caucasus, it will not seem enough. Maybe I'm wrong. As an idealist, I would like the two peoples to make peace, as a realist I understand that this will not happen for a long time.
    1. cayber_bob
      cayber_bob 18 March 2013 18: 45
      -3
      +1
      It is a pity that Azerbaijan is openly pursuing a pro-American policy.
    2. Fidain
      Fidain 19 March 2013 03: 47
      0
      The Kremlin, as it is not successful, has already decided without demand, it will not work.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2013 04: 11
        +4
        Quote: Fidain
        ml as it is not successful without demand already decided

        Unsuccessfully ?????? If Russia had not been stuck for Armenia, your country would have been wiped off for a long time.
        1. Arminian power
          Arminian power 10 May 2013 02: 06
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If Russia had not been stuck for Armenia, your country would have been wiped off for a long time.

          nu yavno ne za krasivie glaza .................
  • Army1
    Army1 18 March 2013 17: 04
    0
    British scientists, experts, etc. already got it. We were able to shoe a flea, so what? Particularly pleased about the American morhera. Why be modest, one Rambo will take over the whole world.
  • Anti
    Anti 18 March 2013 20: 37
    -2
    Glory to the Republic of Armenia! Glory to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia!

    UUURRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!
    1. synchrophasatron
      synchrophasatron 19 March 2013 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: Anti
      Glory to the Republic of Armenia! Glory to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia!

      UUURRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!


      Do not forget the Russian Army. After all, they are protecting you, not the Armenian army ...
      1. Gari
        Gari 20 March 2013 21: 21
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        In the village of Surahani, the capital of Azerbaijan, a Russian Orthodox cemetery was defeated. Many dozens of graves were destroyed, mostly recently deceased people. According to an eyewitness, the destruction is fresh, "this was not for Easter."

        This time, apparently, the graves and peace of the Russian people who died in Azerbaijan suffered as a result of the ax used by simple Russian men in Sagra, a small village in the Sverdlovsk region. On the night of July 16, approximately sixty armed Azerbaijanis drove into this village in XNUMX cars, however, meeting resistance from nine residents of the village, they were forced to flee, leaving one killed, Faig Musaev, and two “captured” bandits in the village, writes yerkramas.org.
      2. Gari
        Gari 20 March 2013 21: 43
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        The 102nd Russian military base is one of the most important objects of Russia's geopolitical presence in the Caucasus, one of the main components of Russian-Armenian relations.
        The base is located in the city of Gyumri (Armenia), 126 kilometers north of the capital of the republic - the city of Yerevan on the border with Turkey and more than 500 km to the border with Azerbaijan
        Next to military base 102 is the 8th town quarter. Families of military personnel live in the quarter - about 2 Russians and 500 Armenians.
      3. Arminian power
        Arminian power 10 May 2013 02: 10
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        a ti xvali tureckuyu armiyu hi
  • Gari
    Gari 20 March 2013 21: 28
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    The peculiarity is that Azerbaijan continues to monstrously and cynically falsify historical facts and events. As an example, the author cites the discovery in 2007 in Guba of an unknown burial place with the remains of about 30 people.
    “In record time (over 5 years), this burial in Azerbaijan without any international research was first recognized as a victim of crimes by Armenian nationalists and fascists by Azerbaijanis, and after some time by Jews. To involve Jewish diaspora organizations in the information struggle against Armenia, the Baku authorities in Guba urgently built a memorial in honor of the victims of the “genocide”, ”the author writes.
    The author recalls that after the Provisional Government fell on October 26, 1917, the struggle for power intensified in Baku. The Musavat party called on Muslims to engage in a religious war with Gentiles. First of all, with Armenians, Russians and Georgians.
    In November 1917, after the October Revolution, a mass retreat of Russian military units of the Caucasus Front began. The Shamkhor tragedy occurred on January 9-12, 1918, on the stage of Shamkhor-Dallar stations. Musavatists organized at the Shamkhor station near Ganja the massacre of the retreating Russian part, in which more than 5 thousand soldiers and officers died
    1. RZ.sovgatov
      RZ.sovgatov 8 August 2014 07: 24
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      The Mussavat party was a supporter of the secular state so that it could not declare a religious war, and the retreating Russian army was just going to reunite with the Musavat army only in Shamkhor, to be exact, they were met in Akstaf 11 does not speak??????
  • Gari
    Gari 20 March 2013 21: 30
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    Russian military units met with obstacles organized by the Georgian-Tatar majority of the leadership of the Transcaucasian Commissariat and the Muslim National Committee, led by the Musavat party. The echelons of the Caucasian army stopped at the most important nodes of the Transcaucasian Railway from Baku to Tiflis. Theft of weapons and the killing of soldiers took place. This was facilitated by the emissaries of the Turkish command, who sought to decompose the Russian units, the article says.
    The author quotes from the work “Alive in Help” by Viktor Nikolaev, who wrote: “Then, up to a thousand armed Transcaucasian Tatars, who settled in the trenches on both sides of the railroad, shot soldiers in the wagons. In those days, there were five crashed trains under the Shamkhor bridge: three military, one passenger and another, which turned into a pile of twisted metal. Around the corpses of soldiers of the Red Guards, some of them were charred. Further, in the gorge of the river, there are still not one hundred bodies of Russian soldiers. All the dead were mutilated beyond recognition. My old people, who saw all this, had their hair standing on end. This was and is still an undisclosed Shamkhor “Babi -
    And it’s interesting that everywhere only is written about the Tatars and where are the Azerbaijanis?
    Brazenly and cynically lie
    1. RZ.sovgatov
      RZ.sovgatov 8 August 2014 07: 32
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      Something is not clear who was there in ambush? Like the same source reports that the Georgians were exterminated by Mussavat now it turned out that they were sitting in ambush together, and even the commies with them grabbed a good joke. Thank you for the anecdote "The Golden Calf" is resting
  • Gari
    Gari 20 March 2013 21: 33
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    Here is a live picture from nineteen-year Baku. Bezhenka N.I. T-va: “Something unimaginable was going on there. Pogroms began on January 13, and my child, clinging to me, said: “Mom, they’ll kill us now!” And after the troops were sent in, the director of the school where I worked (this is not for you in the market!), An Azerbaijani woman, an intelligent woman, said: “Nothing, the troops will leave - and here in every tree there will be Russian in every tree.” They fled, leaving their apartments, property, furniture ... But I was born in Azerbaijan, and not only me: my grandmother was also born there! .. ”
    Yes, in 1990, Baku was seething with hatred for the "Russian invaders." The Highlanders created Azerbaijan for the Azerbaijanis: “a mob is raiding the streets and in houses, and the protesters are walking with mocking slogans:“ Russians, don’t leave, we need slaves and prostitutes! ” How many hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Russian people have survived dozens of pogroms and "Holocausts" to, in the end, make sure that there is no friendship of peoples?
    Having finished writing, he asked the refugee, nodding at his shaking hands: “Why is it so with you? ..” “Oh, now it’s almost gone! I’m better now and speak (And I, sinfully, thought there was nowhere worse!) But then, when they killed us ... "" Where did they kill you? " “Yes, in Baku, where we lived. They broke down the door, hit her husband on the head, he was lying unconscious all this time, they beat me. Then they screwed me to the bed and began to rape the oldest one - Olga, she was twelve years old. Six of us. It’s good that they’ve locked the four-year-old Marinka in the kitchen, I didn’t see this ... Then they beat everyone in the apartment, scooped out what was needed, untied me and told me to get out before evening. When we fled to the airport, a girl fell almost at my feet - they threw me from the upper floors from somewhere. Blast! Her blood splattered my entire dress ... They ran to the airport, and they say that there are no places in Moscow. On the third day, they just flew away. And all the time, like a flight to Moscow, they loaded cardboard boxes with flowers, dozens for each flight ... They scoffed at the airport, promised to kill everyone. That's when I started to stutter. I couldn’t speak at all. And now, ”something like a smile appeared on her lips,“ now I speak much better. And the hands are not shaking so much ... "
    I didn’t have the courage to ask her what happened to the eldest, who was twelve years old, on the day of the monstrous abuse, how the four-year-old Marinka survived all this horror ... "Baku is an international city?
  • Gari
    Gari 20 March 2013 21: 46
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    Experts were rather critical of the capabilities of the Azerbaijani army. The report notes that despite the impressive purchases of weapons, which became possible thanks to the profits from the sale of oil, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces cannot achieve a clear advantage in the air arena, which can become a serious risk factor during possible military operations in Karabakh. "The same oil allowed Azerbaijan to acquire the latest S-300 systems, but it is not yet clear what this gives Baku in general in terms of increasing combat effectiveness," the report says. In general, the article was about this. If the leadership of Azerbaijan would be sure of to resolve this conflict in their favor, it would have attacked long ago
  • Nugedinskiy
    Nugedinskiy 21 March 2013 02: 46
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    Here's another Infographics of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan
  • 2131971
    2131971 21 March 2013 16: 34
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    Quote: Hunter Thomson
    I don’t know whether it was true that he talked with your countryman once in Germany at a conference, got caught in tongues, while the scandal was with Turkey and Nitanhu blurted out that he would support and arm Armenia.

    Heads of state, these are not children in the sandbox. There has never been such a thing.
    Netanyahu would never have allowed himself such rhetoric, on the contrary, from the first days, and still behaves restrainedly.
  • arm-7007
    arm-7007 25 January 2014 21: 01
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    to hell with all the experts who compare !!! fool and if so ... then write down the rowing experts << WHY THE ARMENIANS WINNED THE KARABAKH WAR? >>
    1. RZ.sovgatov
      RZ.sovgatov 8 August 2014 07: 04
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      My advice is to study the history of hostilities. The war was not defeated. Armenian forces took up free positions since an internecine war broke out with a terrible force in Azerbaijan between General Huseynov and President Elchibey.
  • RZ.sovgatov
    RZ.sovgatov 8 August 2014 06: 56
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    Dear sirs, before you write such horror stories on display, the costs with the ethnic group of Baku will be interested. And how they treat Russians there speaks for itself a large number of secondary schools in Russian. And ask in the Great Patriotic War what was the help from Baku oil and how many donations from the population was raised to the front. For comparison, we note that one Azerbaijan collected funds 2 times more than all the Union republics taken. Only the great Armenian diaspora under the leadership of the Dashnak party donated its black box office for the collapse of the USSR and the creation of Great Armenia, and as a result, this time covered the majority in The 70s began with terrorist attacks from their side, such as the explosion of the Park Kultury metro station, much more can be added.
  • zaurkerimov
    zaurkerimov 2 July 2015 15: 57
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    PEOPLE OF CHEBUREKI it is clear that Armenia is now in a crisis situation, this can be seen with the naked eye! and the Russians don’t want to drag such a burden forever! so sooner or later all the lands occupied by Armenia will return back this matter of time! we will never never give our lands to anyone! and return what is ours!
  • zaurkerimov
    zaurkerimov 2 July 2015 15: 58
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    so the Armenians come down from heaven to earth!
  • zaurkerimov
    zaurkerimov 2 July 2015 16: 00
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    and if you are still going to organize a rally and go against the Russians, then accelerate our victory !!