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Tank fragment-beam projectile: invented in Russia - produced in Germany

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Bureaucratism is the main and insurmountable barrier to innovative weapons.


Israel is already checking the HE-MR-T shell in battle. Photos from www.oicpalestina.org


At all levels, including the highest, a lot of talk about the urgent need for innovation in the field of defense technology. But here's a real innovation, representing a world-class technical solution, turns out to be useless in Russia.

Contrary to the barriers

We are talking about a tank fragment-beam projectile, which creates two fragmentation fields: the axial field (“beam”) of ready-made attack elements and the circular field of fragments of the natural crushing of the hull (see NVO No. 46, 2005; No. 18, 2006; No. 46, 2010; No. No. 18, 2011). The idea of ​​the projectile was put forward in 1972 year, more than 40 years ago, by associate professor of the Bauman Moscow State Technical University Vladimir Odintsov, was met unfriendly, for a long time passed as “a worthless invention of Odintsov”. A more evil definition, nonsense, was also used.

Surprisingly, the inventor managed to convince the young director of NAMI (Scientific Research Automobile and Automotive Institute) Anatoly Kallistov and his deputy Vladimir Krenev to take up the development of this projectile. Half-life tests were carried out, even an exhibition sample was made. Related organizations have developed for tank T-72 (later T-90) “Aynet” projectile air blast control system and 3VM18 electronic fuse for it. The work was carried out almost without the support of the Ministry of Defense and gradually stalled.

In the year of 1994, after an exhausting struggle with red tape and counteraction at all levels, the Russian patent No. 2018779 was obtained. In this patent, the author introduced a clear definition of a fragmentation-beam projectile as a multipurpose, that is, providing, depending on the fuse installation, both a fragmentation target hit during an air gap and an impact penetrating-high explosive effect on brick and concrete barriers. Based on this, four main features of the projectile are formulated:
- the shell of the projectile is made solid-headed with a screw bottom;
- the head unit of the ready attack elements (fragmentation unit) is located outside the body of the projectile and is made in the form of a lining on the head part of the body;
- Ready striking elements of the frag block are made of heavy alloys - for example, based on tungsten;
- a bottom electronic fuse is used with installations for an air blast in front of the target or for a penetrating-high-explosive action with bottom contact or contactless command input.

What is especially important for the protection of domestic priority and intellectual property, the patent for the first time describes a fragmentation-beam projectile for a smooth-bore tank gun equipped with a drop-down stabilizer. The author then raised the question of the need for international patenting of the projectile. To put it mildly, this offer was received very coolly.

Lost years

In 1996, the article "New Projectile for Tanks" was published in the magazine "Military Parade". By this time, Vladimir Odintsov became one of the country's most famous weapon inventors, in 1998, he was awarded the title of Honored Inventor of the Russian Federation. And he received a number of patents on the projectile.

The attitude of specialists to the projectile gradually began to change too. In addition, patents that develop this idea began to appear abroad. In 1998, the authoritative British magazine Jane's international defense review in an article devoted to the fight against anti-helicopter helicopters, described in detail the "Bauman" tank fragmentation shells (Bauman round). In 1999, the model of the projectile was shown to the Minister of Defense, Marshal Igor Sergeyev, at an exhibition in MSTU.

It seems to be the ice broke. But the first decade of the new century was still a fruitless struggle. During this time, new types of beam-type shells have been developed, 30 patents have been received, a large number of articles have been published in magazines and newspapers, reports have been made at conferences and seminars, two dissertations on the projectile have been defended under the guidance of Odintsov, many letters have been written to the president, the government, the Duma, the Ministry Defense, Military-Industrial Commission, etc. In all the letters it was indicated that similar developments are being conducted abroad and the domestic priority on the projectile may be lost.

Letters were dissolved in hardware labyrinths, at best an empty reply comes. A solid impression was created that no one needs any projectile or intellectual property. At the same time, a lot of positive and, one might say, high reviews about the projectile appeared in the press. Their selection is given in IEE No. 18 for the 2011 year. The assessment of Andrei Garavsky, the author of the article “Odintsov’s Projectile” (“Red Star”, 18.08.10), is fair: “It’s impossible not to see that the author did everything he could to advance the projectile into practice ... This selfless activity causes deep respect.”

German Blitzkrieg

In 2010, what happened was to be expected. Famous german armory Rheinmetall Defense developed and commissioned the DM120 11-mm tank fragmentation-fragmentation projectile for the Leopard and Abrams tanks. The projectile is designed as a multi-purpose, providing both fragmentation action from the trajectory, and penetrating high-explosive. The presence of the latter is particularly emphasized, given the ever-increasing role of regional wars, which take place to a large extent in human settlements. The appearance of the projectile and the main features exactly correspond to our patent No. 2018779. The projectile is made with a supersonic needle, which creates a Mach cone during flight, limiting the amplitude of the projectile vibrations. This scheme is widely used in domestic and foreign tank cumulative shells. With regard to the design of the fragmentation-beam projectile, it allows to reduce the metal mass located in front of the block of finished elements, which seriously improves the conditions of explosive throwing.

The design of the projectile and unitary cartridge contains a number of original technical solutions. These primarily include:
- entering commands and setting the time in the electronic trajectory fuse are made through the contact installed in the bottom of the sleeve and the electrical cable located inside the sleeve. In contrast to the domestic tank system Ainet, in which commands are entered on the loading path when lifting a projectile from a carousel conveyor located on the tank floor, stopping the lift and pulling the induction cap on the fuse, the unit is inserted after the shutter is closed, which significantly reduces time interval between entering and shooting.
- in the design of the projectile introduced an additional degree of protection in the form of a sensor that operates from the pressure of the powder gases after the shot.

The DM11 projectile is mass-produced, adopted for use by the Abrams tank of the US Marine Corps and has already been successfully used in Afghanistan since 2011. In January, General Motors (USA) and Rheinmetall Defense (Germany) set up venture company Defense Munition Internation (DMI) to develop and manufacture new tank shells. An important role in it is assigned to the improvement of the DM2012 projectile.
Intensive development of 120-mm tank shells is also under way in the United States and Israel. In the United States, the Picatin arsenal together with the GD-OTS and ATK firms developed the Spotter projectile in caliber (XM1065) and subcaliber (XM1068) variants. The projectile is protected by U.S. Patents 6983699 10.01.06, 7451704 18.11.08 and 8109213 07.02.12. In Israel, the 120-mm non-MR-T tank-beam fragmentation projectile for the tank ammunition “Merkava 4” was developed by Israel Military Industries (IMI). The projectile is in preparation for mass production.

Tank fragment-beam projectile: invented in Russia - produced in Germany
Tank unitary cartridge with a 120-mm fragmentation-beam projectile DM11: 1 - command input contacts, 2 - liner tray, 3 - igniter, 4 - powder charge, 5 - electric cable, 6 - pressure sensor, 7 - bottom trajectory impact fuse , 8 - detonator, 9 - projectile body, 10 - charge of insensitive explosive, 11 - supersonic needle, 12 - cable protection, 13 - tracer, 14 - stabilizer shank, 15 - sealing rings, 16 - block of ready-made striking documents. "Border = "0" alt = "Tank unitary cartridge with a 120-mm fragmentation-beam projectile DM11: 1 - command input contacts, 2 - cartridge case, 3 - igniter, 4 - powder charge, 5 - electric cable, 6 - pressure sensor, 7 - bottom trajectory impact fuse, 8 - detonator, 9 - projectile body, 10 - charge of insensitive explosive, 11 - supersonic needle, 12 - cable protection, 13 - tracer, 14 - stabilizer shank, 15 - O-rings, 16 - ready-made damaging documents.

40 years - no sense

In 2012, the Federal Agency for the Legal Protection of the Results of Intellectual Activity of the Military, Special and Dual Purpose at the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation (FAPRID) drew the attention to the intolerable situation with the protection of domestic intellectual property on the shell. On his initiative, an agreement was entered into with the MGTU and 13 of September 2012, an international application for the PCT / RU2012 / 000653 projectile was submitted to the World Intellectual Property Organization.

There will be a difficult struggle for domestic priority.

I will cite only two reviews of the journals: “Fragments and shells may be lost for Russia as the largest intellectual property object” (“National Defense”, No. 5, 2010), “Odintsov's Invention represents a revolutionary turn in the field of means of destruction” (“Intellectual Property” , No. 1, 2010). The situation is complicated by the fact that the serial production of DM11 projectiles has already begun. Nothing can be done: the well-established system of interference and counteraction to the Russian authors worked. On this occasion, I recalled a conversation with Vladimir Odintsov in 2009 year. I congratulated him on awarding the silver medal “For merits in the cause of inventiveness” of the International Academy of Inventors of the IAAOA. He sadly replied that the medal reflects the fate of the inventor in Russia as accurately as possible: "It depicts the inventor of the radio Alexander Stepanovich Popov, well, then you understand: the radio invented Popov, and Marconi received the patent, fame and millions."

40-year-old история a tank-beam shell projectile can serve as a textbook example of an extremely low level of state support for the work of defense inventors. Appeals for innovations in the defense sphere are constantly being heard, but the inventors either did not have the funds for research and development. Millions are much more willing to spend on frankly failed projects that are successfully mastered by the performers together with the customers.
In recent years, the bureaucrats have a universal rejection formula: "Deny for the absence of a foreign counterpart." Arms lag in this way is planned initially. Russia has become forever catching up. Wrecked ekroolety, after 20 years they realized, as in the USA they began to build them. Back in 1960, the first unmanned reconnaissance aircraft were developed, then they forgot and realized again when the whole world was armed with UAVs. The list continues to grow, as does the gap in the level of weapons between Russia and the West. Not in favor of Russia, of course.
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  1. Hunter thomson
    Hunter thomson 18 March 2013 08: 21
    +8
    It is produced in many places. Why, by the way, are not Germans but Jews in the picture? Israeli APAM is not at the stage of preparation for production, but has been in service for a hundred years, by the way, it is generally multi-purpose with a cassette package filled with tungsten PE and air blast "overhead". Good thing. The projectile is programmed in the barrel. You can make an air blast on your head, you can make a hole in the wall, you can punch through the wall and blow it up inside the room. During the storming of the formidable, such a thing oh how many lives it would have saved.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 18 March 2013 08: 47
      +4
      Yeah. I was also surprised - Aram has been in service for several years.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 March 2013 10: 51
      +5
      Quote: Hunter Thomson
      Israeli APAM is not at the stage of preparation for production, but has been in operation for a hundred years

      Only it is not bundled, but cassette, is not it?

      The main feature of a beam projectile is the creation of a directed flow of ready-made striking elements. Moreover, this happens due to detonation, rather than the detonation of a knockout, as in shells with GGE. Because there is an additional stream of fragments from the shell

      And it was precisely the Soviet shells with the GGE, taken out of service with some kind of whim of the Soviet leadership, as if allegedly prohibited by the convention, that were the predecessors of the current German.

      By the way, most likely this decision also affected Odintsov’s shell, and the point here is not in the bureaucracy.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 18 March 2013 13: 04
        +1
        APAM has a different principle.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 18 March 2013 16: 23
          +1
          What else is there? Cluster shell, fragmentation submunitions. It has nothing to do with beam.
  2. apiarian1
    apiarian1 18 March 2013 08: 25
    0
    Typical situation.
  3. bootlegger
    bootlegger 18 March 2013 08: 38
    0
    16 - block of ready-made striking documents.

    It sounds impressive, but still, probably elements ...
    smile
  4. tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 March 2013 08: 42
    26
    Dear readers, if only this one projectile. If we take all the inventions of our scientists at least in the field of tanks and at least 10% put into life, we would already have super tanks. I have 12 patents in the field of military equipment. five on tanks. One was copied by the Americans, one was examined by experts in the State Duma committee. And there is nothing. Only big troubles are in service. But in the West, and now especially in China, all our know-how in the military field is meticulously and carefully monitored. there’s nothing to say about international patents. It’s interesting how many more billions the state should lose in order for some to realize that intellectual property is property and very expensive .. Have the most talented people in the world and have nothing. Paradox.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 18 March 2013 10: 34
      +2
      [quote = tank64rus] .. Have the most talented people in the world and have nothing. Paradox. [/ quot
      Upstairs, they probably think that since an inventor is from the people, it means another weirdo with a crazy project. In Soviet times, I subscribed to the magazine YT Yuniy Tekhnik. For many years there was a heading "Patent Office". A lot of useful things. As far as I know (maybe rumors) many foreign bureaus actively tracked this kind of inventions, and I think that many things that were eventually recognized as worthy for implementation in certain sectors of the national economy were already in full use abroad, but of course already with their patent. -lift, and there are a lot of such examples.
      1. atalef
        atalef 18 March 2013 21: 02
        +1
        Quote: olegyurjewitch
        For many years there was a heading "Patent Office". A lot of useful things

        Yes, yes I remember, they granted patents * to the Young Technician *, the sense from them was a little more than from the goat's milk.
        In general, in the USSR, with intellectual property, it was somehow very bad.
        1. bask
          bask 20 March 2013 23: 36
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Yes, yes I remember, they granted patents * of the Young Technician *, the sense from them was a little more than from the goat they say

    2. aksakal
      aksakal 18 March 2013 13: 18
      +4
      Quote: tank64rus
      .If we take all the inventions of our scientists at least in the field of tanks and put at least 10% into life, we would already have super tanks. I have 12 patents in the field of military equipment. five on tanks. One was copied by the Americans, one was examined by experts in the State Duma committee. And there is nothing. Only big troubles are in service. But in the West, and now especially in China, all our know-how in the military field is meticulously and carefully monitored. international patents and say nothing

      - Law on liability for failure and red tape. Each error has a surname and a name - I.V. Stalin.
      It had to start with the colonel who shelled the idea of ​​active armor as a "crazy" idea, which was first developed by Soviet engineers. Then, during the Izril-Syrian war, the Syrians presented to the Soviets that the T-72 was not even capable of penetrating an Israeli tank of World War II ... To figure it out, they needed a live Israeli captured tank, which the Syrians quickly procured. Then there was a whole special operation to deliver this trophy to the USSR, and what was the surprise of the engineers who saw the same active armor on the trophy, which was shelved five years ago! I think that the colonel had to be shaken for a long time to see if the information was leaked to the west, and then it is indicative to punish him precisely for his "delusional" assessment.
      It was also necessary to do with those colonels who disproved the idea of ​​lowering the radar visibility of airplanes - this is also a Soviet invention, didn’t they know?
      I forgot about another invention - I remember - I'll post it.
      And yet - you need to find the author of the wording "Refuse for the lack of a foreign analogue." In fact, this is not a bureaucracy, it is a direct, but very smart diversion. And at the first question to the author of this wording, what he was guided by and what reasons were to introduce this wording into the prkatik, he would begin to swim and invent nonsense, as Serdyuk is doing now, when he is asked about the misuse of army grandmothers to repair a camp site - like , about ordinary air defense soldiers thought that they would rest in this camp site -)))). And since I swam with the answer - then you will already reveal the true reason. And the true reason can be pulled for fifteen years by a planer.
      It would be time to act just like that!
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 21 March 2013 14: 08
        +1
        It seems that such "experts" - colonels are on loan from our Western sworn friends.
  5. stranik72
    stranik72 18 March 2013 10: 21
    +4
    In the 90th year, one of the commanders of a tank regiment in the ZGV (Germany), after he was informed of his imminent removal from his post, took a family to UAZ, a tank shot (at that time) over secret from the T-80, and left to the location of NATO forces, he suggested that his driver stay there, but he refused to come to the unit and announced the escape of the Communist Party, ours raised a butch, but they didn’t return the shot. Our problem is not only bureaucracy, but betrayal.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 18 March 2013 10: 52
      0
      Quote: stranik72
      tank shot (at that time) over secret from the T-80

      As far as sclerosis doesn’t lie, he took with him samples of the standard ammo tank - 3 shells, "Cobra" + a missile from "Tunguska". Yes, native 8th army sad
      1. stranik72
        stranik72 18 March 2013 10: 58
        +1
        s1n7t (4)
        Perhaps you are right, I don’t know the intricacies, they just told us (aviation), as a fact. Do not lose your vigilance, they say, and a little later the intelligence chief of one of the TA "leaked", but there were times, I remember with shame, some of our young wives fled there, there were those who even abandoned their children. BUT this is not on the topic of "collapse in his heads."
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 18 March 2013 12: 45
          +2
          Quote: stranik72
          "it is collapse in the heads"

          That's it!
      2. tan0472
        tan0472 18 March 2013 13: 28
        +2
        Quote: c1n7
        As far as sclerosis doesn’t lie, he took with him samples of the standard ammo tank - 3 shells, "Cobra" + a missile from "Tunguska". Yes, native 8th army

        There will always be nits that stole something useful. In my opinion, the country's task is that such nits would not enjoy the delights of betrayal for a long time. And if this nits so far has not glued fins from a heart attack, then the state gives a signal - "Betray further. The main thing is for you to escape from the country, and we will not look for you abroad. Enjoy the betrayal calmly.".
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 19 March 2013 02: 39
          +2
          Quote: tan0472
          And if this nits so far has not glued fins from a heart attack, then the state gives a signal

          Don't get so excited, however! The state in the face of "gorby" then said - you go nah.s your BG and so on. Your many years of work. The betrayal of the country, the "reform" of the army began with the collapse of the Internal Affairs Department and the GSVG. If you haven't been there, shut up your mouthful! An auxiliary pig from the Germans received 2000 marks, and a company commander in intelligence - about 1200 (I don't remember, because there were also all kinds of rations, etc.) Is that normal ?!
          I was also called, but not in the Bundeswehr, but in the Ministry of Defense theirs. By profile, so to speak. But I did not have a family, I did not have dozens of years wasted, as it turned out for many, in vain. I easily gave up in favor of Soviet patriotism. Then he regretted, however, when he saw that this was only the beginning of the collapse of the USSR and its army. And many then, who were taken out of the Groups, said - it was necessary to stay "there", no one needed here, and there at least the family would be fed. At night, you push a soldier out of bed, shout: Pupkin, let's go! Falls from the bunk: 501, 502, 503 ... Ring! Dome! Look around! .. (Here I simplified, of course, to the point of primitiveness) In the Soviet Union, perhaps, there was only such a thing in Maryina Gorka. The rest did not dream! It took years of work. And suddenly - went to x ....! I am not making excuses for Kolesnik's act, but I understand him. His homeland no longer needed him. He left. But the Oath remained. He answered for her. Died in a car catastrophe, like.
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 21 March 2013 14: 11
      +1
      State traitors to punish capital punishment am . So what to do?
  6. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 18 March 2013 10: 28
    +6
    One gets the impression that only pests and traitors are sitting in the entire upper echelons of power! Money is dispersed in cabinets, and if the world war, it is unlikely that they will be accepted by a country that is at war with us for permanent residence! The truth is that if you do not want to feed your army, you will have to feed someone else's! When will these ruled rulers finally understand that the army is a bulwark of state security! More evil is not enough to write angry
  7. 123321
    123321 18 March 2013 11: 05
    +1
    My opinion is that it is deliberately slandered by the bureaucracy in the field of development and implementation. This is, so to speak, an artificially created insurmountable barrier by the enemy, in the form of this apparatus.
    1. GG2012
      18 March 2013 17: 10
      +1
      Quote: 123321
      deliberately slanders the bureaucracy in the field of development and implementation. This is, so to speak, an artificially created insurmountable barrier by the enemy, in the form of this apparatus.

      In development of your thought:
      Why fight with our Army and the people, if you can print paper money and buy the entire bureaucracy (about 50 thousand people) and thus defeat the country, forcing its resources to work in the victorious country, and earn trillions of dolares?

      And how to prosecute specific officials of the state apparatus, who have mutual responsibility and the seal of "God's chosenness" on a thick face with two chins?
  8. valokordin
    valokordin 18 March 2013 11: 33
    +2
    Some kind of evil rock fell on me, for a week I could not write comments, now I can not answer my opinion, there is a reset right at the beginning of the article, I also can not give an assessment to the article and comments. I received a letter from Vadim Smirnov, in which he apologizes for the inconvenience, but nothing changes. Maybe someone knows what happened and advises what to do.
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 18 March 2013 13: 36
      0
      Quote: valokordin

      Some kind of evil rock fell on me ...
      Valocordin - drink corvalol valerian, are you excited. wink
      PySy. I think over time everything will work out.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 18 March 2013 14: 23
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      Some kind of evil rock fell on me, for a week I could not write comments, now I can not answer my opinion, there is a reset right at the beginning of the article, I also can not give an assessment to the article and comments.

      Vladimir, I have exactly the same crap. On a new or something to register.
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 18 March 2013 18: 17
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      immediately reset

      And what was planned wrong?
      After all, visual memory is developing, this is training!
      Already used to. Although the photo and video began to appear and that’s okay.
      Engine renewers pancake.

      laughing
    4. smile
      smile 18 March 2013 18: 31
      +1
      valokordin
      Everything will be alright. It just happened on my laptop, but on a normal one a couple of days ago.
    5. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 21 March 2013 14: 17
      0
      "... evil intrigues of enemies" (V.S. Vysotsky)
  9. rereture
    rereture 18 March 2013 11: 38
    0
    I would like to hope that not all of us are stifled by officials. And I also believe that we have classified projects that you can’t talk about.
  10. Chukcha
    Chukcha 18 March 2013 11: 51
    0
    Over the past 100 years, nothing has changed:
    It was then that the midshipman Vlasyev had the idea of ​​creating melee weapons. He shared his ideas with the chief of the land defense of Port Arthur, General R.I. Kondratenko, who introduced Vlasyev to Gobyato. After evaluating Vlasyev’s project, Gobyato proposed a number of important improvements. In the conditions of the besieged fortress, they created a new amazing weapon - the world's first mortar. But many generals called the mortar "toy guns", "surrogates of artillery." As a result of misunderstanding for the First World War, the Russian army did not have mortars. But during the war, mortars appeared among the Germans. Only then remembered Gobyato and Vlasyev. The Supreme Commander of the Russian Army, Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolayevich informed the Minister of War V.A. Sukhomlinov "Infantry insistently requires mortars, considering them artillery." New weapons gained recognition in Russia.


    http://www.proza.ru/2009/04/08/307
  11. sergant89
    sergant89 18 March 2013 12: 30
    +3
    Oh, there isn’t enough a great man with a pipe in the Kremlin, now we would have carried out one small cleaning of the whole shabby brotherhood in the offices, put it on the wall, anointed his forehead with a green leaf so that the bullet would not catch the infection, and before that, of course, confiscate everything that was acquired by excessive labor in the sovereign service, and the rest a proposal in the form of an amnesty: let’s kindly drag the millions or the same fate awaits you, you look maybe they would live better. EX dreams !! dreams !!! yes
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 18 March 2013 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: sergant89
      Oh, not enough great man with a pipe in the Kremlin

      And you yourself have nothing? Are we waiting for the "good uncle"? At the elections we vote "for whom it is necessary", and then we dream that someone will remove them! laughing
      "The mind cannot understand Russia ..." (C)
  12. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 18 March 2013 13: 15
    0
    In Russia there is no system for the promotion and protection of inventions.
    FOR officials in the KREMLIN consider this a secondary matter.
    BETWEEN the western swindlers of all stripes, USE THIS NORMALITY OF FOOLS.
    After all, such MONEY MAY BREAK ON THIS SIMILAR POSITION
    in RUSSIA, two troubles of the road and Fools are still relevant.
  13. Sterkh
    Sterkh 18 March 2013 13: 24
    +2
    As I read an article by one of our inventors about patenting inventions, he writes that the state has created such conditions that we won’t be able to patent in Russia, and at the same time, ideal conditions are created and advertised for a patent in favor of other countries. That's the whole tale of the white bull - who steers us ... and we all endure and endure.
    1. GG2012
      18 March 2013 17: 17
      0
      [quote = Sterkh]As I read an article by one of our inventors about patenting inventions, he writes that the state has created such conditions that we won’t be able to patent in Russia, and at the same time, ideal conditions are created and advertised for a patent in favor of other countries./ Quote]

      You forgot to say that the sphere of patenting, like the diamond business, is 97% Jewish in subjective composition.
      To meet a Russian or Ukrainian patent attorney is a "great success", and even then, as a rule, the Jewish founders are above them.
      And so for all the CIS and the whole world.
      This is an established practice.
      Each newly coming government of any country only supports this practice, ensuring centuries-old continuity.
  14. Black
    Black 18 March 2013 13: 39
    +1
    For a long time and diligently throughout the foreseeable history, the Russians were instilled with an inferiority complex - they say our designs are worse than there over the hill. Breakthrough inventions are not needed. There is no prophet in his own country.
    ... And now they are fed with tales about modernization, which requires spending billions of dollars to create “skolkie” ones, and there, they say, will catch up with both West and East. At the same time, the existing “breakthrough” technologies, financed, by the way, by the inventors themselves and developed literally “on the knee”, are not in demand.
    But it comes to introducing not small improvements, but truly revolutionary inventions, and this causes resistance from the academic community and the indifference of the Russian business elite.

    But Sochi, a bridge to the Russian island .....
  15. Krilion
    Krilion 18 March 2013 15: 49
    +1
    I more and more like the idea of ​​the North Korean leader to shoot traitors from mortars ... the main thing is that without courts, lawyers and other unnecessary red tape ...
  16. freedmen
    freedmen 18 March 2013 16: 15
    +1
    By the way, I can add to the author!
    Somewhere in the 70s, I came across an article in the journal "Technology of Youth" about an electromagnetic accelerator (EMU) for an induction gun. Moreover, the calculations and diagrams were applied by our students. Plus, a natural working sample was made. True, weak and requiring a lot of energy. BUT!!!!!
    We still have similar designs only for testing ejection seats, and the whole world is already adopting real electromagnetic guns.
    And that's not it!!!
    Recall about our developments in St. Petersburg laser systems ?! Where are they????
    And about the Yak-141 I am already silent. All technologies: variable thrust vector of the engine (nozzle), airframe design, unique alloy and aerodynamics of the blades of the lifting engine ... you can continue until the whole complex is signed, but ... Where are all these technologies ??? Correctly!!! in F35
    AND THAT'S IT
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 March 2013 16: 26
      +1
      Quote: freedmen
      Recall about our developments in St. Petersburg laser systems ?! Where are they????

      It seems to be developing a theme. For Gazprom, remotely cut the heads of emergency wells. When the defense industry was deprived of funds, the gas workers took a direction under the wing.
  17. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 18 March 2013 19: 00
    0
    I'm for APAM, a good shell, but this one is painfully specialized. For 2a82 it is worth having an analogue, they have IMI such an m-710 they call if my memory serves me, in the 125 mm caliber by the way.
  18. Dimka off
    Dimka off 18 March 2013 19: 10
    0
    sadly, very often sometimes ingenious inventions hinder us. And how many more are still in the archives and are waiting in the wings? surely no one probably knows ....
  19. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 18 March 2013 19: 15
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    the whole trouble is that our official is not interested in innovation as well as in the implementation of laws. Now, if he had something from this, then you yourself know
  20. nikolai.arbaev
    nikolai.arbaev 18 March 2013 20: 28
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    Paid for the patent 35 thousand rubles. They don’t patent for the second year, I think in Russia they won’t let me patent any of my inventions, I have been going for 30 years - alas, they would fly to UFOs or, as they say, they would live with ... you know yourself but not.
  21. sergant89
    sergant89 18 March 2013 20: 42
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    [quote = c1n7t] by themselves, no way? Are we waiting for the "good uncle"? At the elections we vote "for whom it is necessary", and then we dream that someone will remove them! laughing
    "The mind cannot understand Russia ..." ([/ qu
    Firstly, for whom I voted, you can’t know in any way
    secondly, the example of Colonel Kvachkov clearly shows what will happen to the fighters for justice
  22. Sterkh
    Sterkh 18 March 2013 21: 22
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    There is no justice in this damn world. There are only punishments ... Whoever gets out of control is whipped in disgrace. And they whip us because we do not fit into the project of a "civilized" society ... Our ideals are not the same ...
  23. crambol
    crambol 18 March 2013 21: 37
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    Millions are more readily allocated to frankly failed projects that are successfully mastered by performers together with customers.
    In recent years, the bureaucrats have a universal rejection formula: "Deny for the absence of a foreign counterpart." Arms lag in this way is planned initially.


    And in my opinion all this is planned sabotage и betrayal!
  24. Klim
    Klim 18 March 2013 22: 21
    +2
    I think that everything is correct. Somehow a similar article was published on this site, and I talked about the current realities in the research institute and design bureau, about the farts that are sitting and any kind of brilliant idea was closed. And why? And because they have the authority gained in their young years, and they and their vanity do not need competitors now. And I will say one thing, young people need to be promoted to scientific research institutes and design bureaus because the eye is still not blinded, enthusiastic pants and fresh ideas .A little more statistics, most inventions and discoveries were made by fairly young people under 30 years old.
    1. sq
      sq 18 March 2013 23: 06
      +1
      I believe that the following should be added: the main Slavic feeling adds to the problems with the introduction of the new - ENVY TO THE NEIGHBOR, ENVY TO THE ONE WHO IS SMARTER. I noticed this a long time ago. Any dullness, having achieved minimal power, seeks to humiliate, trample into the mud all around, especially those who are more or less smarter and more competent. All peoples help their own kind, but our desire to spoil our neighbor is often stronger than even feelings of self-preservation.
  25. azat2005
    azat2005 18 March 2013 22: 37
    +1
    that’s how we always come up with it, but the Germans and Americans are embodying all this
  26. Stalinets
    Stalinets 19 March 2013 02: 06
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    Sabotage, business, for the fifth column, habitual .. yes
  27. krot00f
    krot00f 19 March 2013 11: 56
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    A patent is just a piece of paper, without practical implementation. There is an opinion in narrow circles of the industry that you need to patent something that has been tested in practice. Then the patent protects the rights of the developer. Now it is fashionable to write patents on well-forgotten old developments, it is not surprising that such an attitude has developed. Gentlemen, scientists are offended, they say, does not accept their industry, of course, not all can be realized, many development paths are dead-end. They began to write about Ainet-good. And only a few people know about the real shortcomings of this system. This is a dead-end way of development. They are trying to push it as a new development. And with illiterate experts it will turn out to be patented many times. Only sense from this "0" /. They write about the DM-11 but are silent that such a concept for our tanks, and even with wires, will never work and will not work. What is just so inductive input in Ainet ??? The bottom detonator also does not solve problems, it is defective in contact action, they abandoned such a scheme, And patents have been written, People at one time put their whole lives on the development of dead-end ideas, and the one who can admit it is strong.
  28. gych
    gych 19 March 2013 17: 00
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    Hmm until the thunder hits a man is not a cross
  29. gameover65
    gameover65 19 March 2013 17: 34
    +1
    yes, rightly said Igor Petrovich Volk - USSR pilot-cosmonaut, Hero of the Soviet Union, Honored Test Pilot of the USSR, president of the Earth and Cosmonautics international association, reserve colonel.

    "... Putin was not lucky, he does not have Beria ..."
  30. Tester
    Tester 18 May 2013 22: 06
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    1. Not everything is so bad (this is about the article)
    2. Until the protection of rights is established, it makes no sense to spend significantly more money on paying for the rights to a patent.
    By the way, in one of the articles of some analyst about 10 years ago, the idea was expressed that one of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR was the lack of a system for protecting the rights to inventions.
  31. gecko
    gecko 18 August 2013 22: 21
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    And so it is with everyone, but we always have stocks. Even with Peter 1, we bow to everything foreign. And we don’t value our